>diablo 4 has no crafting systens
>timed events
>early access
>no trade
Honestly how anyone can even consider that shitty blizzslop, and I havent even gotten into all the blizz drama over the years, is beyond me
>diablo 4 has no crafting systens. >timed events. >early access. >no trade
crafting is useless in arpgs
They said this to the skill points system, but yet they added it back.
People think that ARPGs are fun because of the final build you end up, and i dont get how anyone other than the most casual of casual can have this impression. ARPGs are fundamentally about the journey
this one gets it. almost everyone who starts farming for a certain item like mageblood, infinity or whatever stops playing the game the moment they get their item or when they finish their build. character progression is the main reason why this genre is fun.
Agreed. When it's a game where the items make your build work, instead of the stat, skill and whatever points you get from leveling up making your build work and items improving/modifying it, it's fricking shit.
You are the blackest gorilla Black person straight from the vile basin of Congo.
>in D2 you farm an item that makes your kills produce chain lightning
>in D4 you farm an item that changes how your chain lightning interacts
They are the same thing in practice but bottom gives you more variety because each one of your spells can be altered instead of getting just 2 damage boosting effects and an op aura of the D2 moronic system.
>in D4 you farm an item that changes how your chain lightning interacts
You mean you farm and item that adds a 2000% multiplier on your chain lightning right?
No.
Looking at the leaked uniques and leaked paragon board, it's looking like it's just damage multipliers though?
If that shit made it through closed beta, end game playtests, 2 open beta, and the server slam, I don't think it'll be fixed anytime soon.
>Looking at the leaked uniques and leaked paragon board, it's looking like it's just damage multipliers though?
I don't know about that. My bone prison was creating acid pools in it. My acid pools had talents for slow and other effects so it changed how I used bone prison.
>My bone prison had acid pools that allowed it to deal more damage.
Maybe if you won't ignore the 90% of the post we will have a conversation about it. Good for you trying to "win an argument" on the internet I guess.
How's your damage multiplier with a cosmetic? Tell me, once you get this talent, do you play your character differently? Do you look for different items? And before you respond, I want you to take blizzard's dick out of your mouth for a couple minutes and really, really think about it.
You see bone prison doesn't do damage on its own. But with this affix it does damage and applies immobilize and slow, which allows me to spec more points elsewhere and keep bone prison at lv 1 (in my case I had 1 level from gear so I had 0 points in it) so even if enemies do destroy it they are still slowed. Just two items "told me" try this and I liked the different playstyle of it. I hate Blizzard, it's a garbage company, but I am not going to sit there and pretend I hate a game I genuinely enjoyed playing. I enjoyed D4 more than D2 which I played a lot. Infinity is a damage multiplier that gives you auto corpse explosion with a different visual, with the legendaries in D4 I was playing my character in different way.
>My bone prison didn't do damage but now it did. Now I can put other points into getting more damage multipliers for my other skills.
In other words... Damage multiplier. Congrats for figuring this out.
Not even who you are responding to but that’s a skill modifier. You’re wrong.
Since when is adding new functionality and damage to a skill that has no damage a damage multiplier?
>When has adding damage to a skill been a damage multiplier?
Right...
You have a tentative grasp of the word “multiplier” go grab a calculator and multiply 0, Paco, assuming you can afford one in whatever 3rd world mudhole you live in
Right, because adding base damage is SO MUCH MORE exciting than damage multipliers. You're right. Until your shitty game has more than just attack power and defense power, any itemization you add to it will ultimately just be an illusion of choice since you will 100% go for more damage at any given point in time.
Not to mention your fricking weapon is the biggest contributor to that attack power. No weapon, no matter what interesting mods or aspect it has will compete with a weapon that has a higher attack power.
More made up inaccurate headcanon. Why are you here? You’re getting thrashed relentlessly by everyone here. You have zero knowledge about D4 or how it plays. You have a tentative grasp on English as a whole. Americans and your /misc/ discord will never truly accept you just because you spam “goyslop” in threads. Your existence here (and likely as a whole) has no purpose. You won’t be convincing anyone to not play the game. Go back to whatever “free” game has you on lock with its store content due to sunk cost. Your purpose here is merely wasting your own time.
Does D4 have attack power as it's main attack stat, and defense power as it's main defense stat?
No. It has core that’s that feed damage and just like D2 + to skills which just like D2 are the greatest damage increases. No run along and do some research so you can at least shit post a little more effectively. The attack/defense power your referencing is alpha 3 y/o content.
What's the Attack Power stat in this screenshot then?
What's the difference between attack/armour and total DPS and effective HP?
Total DPS is directly tied to your total attack power. Just like how your "Armour" a.k.a. Defense power determines your total EHP. This is the same garbage in D3 and instead of fixing it, they just literally copy pasted the fricking boring ass itemization of D3.
Incorrect.
>Just like how your "Armour" a.k.a. Defense power determines your total EHP
This is false tho, you can easily test this by getting the barrier legendary aspect from that one dungeon and putting it in your armor, your Armor score will not change even if with the barrier aspect your EHP is effectively doubled.
Because the aspect takes into account your base armor in determining how much EHP it gives you? You will always pick the item with the higher armor or attack stat when you deciding which item to get. Especially when you can just fricking transplant unique/legendary aspect to any item in the first place. It's literally a "bigger number better" toddler shit.
repeating yourself won't make you any less wrong, paco.
Don't worry, I'll be here to laugh at you once you start start making threads about D4 being shallow p2w bullshit and promise to never play a blizzard game again.
armour is physical mitigation + half as all other elemental mitigation. attack power isn't your dps though I don't even know what it means, like an amalgamation of a bunch of stats
It's literally the same, you blinded armchair intellectual.
not at all, armor doesn't take into account your actual hp value or other defenses like block and barriers
A summation of core stats and weapon damage that you’ve chosen to hide. But it’s also not the core result of damage as it doesn’t account + to skills and chance mods like crit, lucky, fort, etc. It’s the equivalent of D2 damage ranges for auto attacks. Once this is strike 5 of debunked misinformation of your part. You’re outta here. Refer to:
I won’t be wasting any more time demolishing some mudslimes self-esteem.
>mentally ill moron arguing about a game he knows literally nothing of
the attack power and defense power in the stat sheet are just the base dps/armor values of your items. it doesn't take into any any affixes.
if you go by atk/defense power alone your build is going to be utterly fricking worthless
>the attack power and defense power in the stat sheet are just the base dps/armor values of your items. it doesn't take into any any affixes.
You are a fricking mongoloid if you don't think attack power and defense power aren't important and is the be all of itemization in D4 like it was in D3.
Also, I'm glad we finally came to the conclusion that affixes are literally just multiplier for you base attack power. Glad we got that out of the way.
>gets BTFO
>starts making shit up even harder
I accept your concession, parasite.
>Also, I'm glad we finally came to the conclusion that affixes are literally just multiplier
You forgot to take your medication anon.
Damage of your weapon and all your dps attributes combined in one number.
This is absolute nonsense. At least play D4 before you shit on it. Again the acid pool doesn't only do damage if you talent it for slow and immobilize, something you ignore. It objectively changes how you approach bone prison as a skill.
It doesn't matter whether your slow shit or cc shit, when you get to your end game build that one shots everything from all the multipliers you get. Unless of course D4 just does what D3 does where it thinks damage sponges = difficulty.
All the legs and probably uniques and ancestral are missing mods not % to skill damage.
It’s like every anti D4 post in here is just making up headcanon rhats been disproven every turn.. why waste time so effortlessly shit posting on things no one will believe?
I like being able to customize equipment
PoE "crafting" isn't really crafting. Its Gheed's Gamble from D2, except you're guaranteed one mod result. So its like a slot machine with one slot locked in place when you roll the rest.
PoE is solely held together by their artists and code monkeys. Frick sake, wish they had better ideas and aim for their updates than what we saw the last couple of years.
what a moronic take
poe is only fricking playable because crafting exists holy frick. like you add that much bullshit rng to getting acceptable gear you NEED ways to to manipulate it. would be nice if they let you choose between the new results and old results though.
It's a solution to a self-made problem. It wouldn't "need" crafting if the drops weren't inherently dogshit, which is easy enough to fix if they really wanted to.
ok i'll give you that, but i think that the unnecessary complexity is part of what attracts the crowds that play it.
Sure, but look at Last Epoch. It's not trying to have as many layers of RNG as PoE does, but the crafting system there is.. well, generous at worst. Some may even say too generous. You can have good crafting systems to work with the complexities of an ARPGs character growth mechanics without it being a soul ripping gamble. PoE, to me, is a game that doesn't appeal to ARPG fans so much as it appeals to people with some level of gambling addiction.
Spot on.
I don't think the majority of people really do much crafting in poe or enjoy it mostly for that reason though
i do have a crippling gambling addiction so you might be on to something.
Mate the vast vast majority, easily 95%, never craft, unless they are given the how-to in the build guide they are crafting. I can tell you’ve never played PoE but you seem to have strong opinions about it.
Idk I just like Diablo 3/4's gameplay more than Path of Exile. PoE wasn't very fun for me.
>t. blizztroony
Why are you so upset?
Dead genre. Let it die already.
bought the Ult Edition for 105$
my money. my time. my life.
Oof sorry man
>crafting in arpg
>poe
grind for items and at the same time grind materials to craft items to get the thing you want
>diablo
grind for items and at the same time grind materials to gamble for the thing you want
ooo wow so innovative. grind a+a is so much better than grind a+b
You know people today would throw fits about traditional Diablo gear gambling.
Was it pretty different than obol gambling?
>PoE
>no gamble
You're beyond mazed, rat. Enjoy your stun recovery and others bloated bullshit that comes within.
And don't forget to click on every single shard of what you guys call "currency".
>poe "crafting"
its just pulling the lever on a slot machine
Trade in PoE is for homosexuals. Haven't touched a trade league since official SSF
Poetards cope is reaching final stages. Tick-tock.
moment to moment gameplay is ten times better in D4, and this comes from someone wo has 10k hours in PoE. I wish D4 had PoE's depth.
nah its not, after playing the beta everything felt trash
even d3 had skills that had noticeable "impact", it was fun throwing shit around that had "oomph"
d4 is boring milquetoast in comparison
Notice how angry the NPC gets when you suggest [game that released now] is better than [game that released before]
exactly. I also miss the oomph a lot of skills had. Barbarian just feels so weak. barbairan was my favorite class in D3 not because he was the best in leaderboards or anything, but because he was fun to play. hitting stuff with Hammer of the ancients, seismic slam, etc. was fun. there was weight behind it.
D4 tries so hard to be more realistic that the enjoyment suffers from it. sucks ass
All the D2 obsessed freaks who got D4 early access and are embargoed till 30th have said Barb (and Druid) are too end game currently and Barb picks up a ton of steam at 15-20 when you can go grab your lvl 15 class upgrade.
Ah yes, from one moment of being forced to talk to some shitty npc to the next moment of having to collect some shit outside town, like world of warcraft
Why are they trying to make D4 similar to WoW?
They aren't, it's just all the Devs know how to do, because it's the only other game they've made
>Ah yes, from one moment of being forced to talk to some shitty npc to the next moment of having to collect some shit outside town
Nice. Just like D2.
Yeah I remember having to do 10 fetch quests an hour in D2
Oh, so you are moronic.
There was nothing to do in D2. You ran to a boss through procedurally generated dungeon that gets tiresome the first time you are in it and then the boss stands there and lets you frick it up for loot. Wow amazing gameplay. The endgame is farming bosses that do nothing to get loot so you can farm them even faster. Meanwhile in Diablo 4 the first boss does more mechanics than Baal.
i dont remember doing that
i remember doing literally thousands of baal runs though
>>Ah yes, from one moment of being forced to talk to some shitty npc to the next moment of having to collect some shit outside town
>Nice. Just like D2.
Uh, no? Diablo 2 is literally
>Fight your way through consequential locations
>Return to town whenever you finished some objective
The only exception is Act 3 and it's shit.
How does moment to matter even matter. When the genre is just steamroll content until endgame where the devs actually put effort into the fights.
ooh wow skills on cooldown for the game to tell me how often I should use them, feels great!!
>moment to moment gameplay
120 second cooldowns and next to no mobility skills. people always say they want to slow down gameplay but they are always lying. there is a reason everyone played with an enigma in d2 and stacked movement speed. running around like a slug is not fun.
I just want a game like D1 or D2 again, I don't care about PoE or D4.
But why? D2R is a 100% faithful recreation and it shows how outdated the game is. It was good in 2000 but now it's very mediocre.
I’m still excited for it which is rare considering how jaded I am with games.
cope and seethe, your game is dead
>mobile to console to pc port has no depth
shocking
why would you want crafting or trade? crafting is never used and I'd rather earn my drops through bosses rather than through grinding mats
I've already played PoE. I don't play old game. Sorry
the thing is, theyre not even pulling a bait and switch
theyre upfront about it, it's a shit game that wants to milk your money
if you buy it its on you for fricks sake
soulless cashgrab like diablo immortal and the sad part is it still works for some reason
>Path of Exile ... was released ... in October 2013.
Who would play a decade old game? Diablo has won just being made.
The latest expansion is 2 months old
path of exile is for the nerdiest of nerds while diablo has been a casual game since 3
welcome... to chris wilson's poe
>game starts
>you spend 24 hours fighting a zombie in twilight strand
>it finally dies
>+0.00000000000000001% xp
>1 billion assorted oddly shards drop on the ground
>you are not allowed to progress further until you click each one individually and play stash tetris to fit them all in
>1 week in to the league
>you have finally made it through the twilight strand and reached level 2
>cannot enter first town without buying a key from MTX shop
>cannot leave town without buying 20 different types of stash tabs to hold all the different shards that dropped
>day 45
>you have made your way to blood aquaduct and farmed up two tabulas, one to use and one to sell on the new and improved trade market
>you write a letter in a bottle saying "tabula: 50c" and throw it into the ocean
>day 100
>you have farmed all of the tier 1 maps 30 times each and finally received a tier 2 map as a drop so you can progress your atlas
>last day of the league
>a pigeon flies to your window carrying a note
>wtb tabula offer 5c
>you try to send a message in game
>player offline
>chris wilson personally messages you saying "you will own nothing and you will be happy"
>the game crashes
>spamming the same unfunny shitty pasta
I never played PoE and I laughed. Every meme post has a dose of truth.
>inb4 but muh free game the game is FREE
>>you write a letter in a bottle saying "tabula: 50c" and throw it into the ocean
lol
LOST
The map drop rate is so bad this post must be real lol.
yeah the "crafting" (gambling) currency burning in PoE is REALLY FUN
really enjoyable poopsocking every league for just enough currency to make a half decent weapon in ssf
meanwhilst a good item dropping is virtually non-existent
really satisfying gameplay there
Seething noob
>hornlets seething and fricking off back to PoEGarbage
Don't care, still playing early.
> Please buy my P2W cash cow. It will be fun this time, I promise! Trust the vision (tm)!
t. Bald homosexual.
It continues to puzzle me why devs are on such a crusade against trading.
>OH NO, PLAYERS CAN TRADE ITEMS
This is not the kind of game where gold selling can realistically work. What's the problem?
It started with D3 because they wanted you to use the AH, at the time RMAH aka real money auction house. They only took that shit out because of massive outcry. Yes, you COULD pay $100 for a weapon in a game that was entirely about getting good loot drops. It's Blizzard.
Because casuals hate trading as it gives them anxiety, so the Devs know if they introduce trade they will scare off cazzies
If you can trade then there's rmt, this can compete with the monetization of the game in their eyes
Looking at the absolute state of Diablo 2 ladder, I'm actually starting to understand why.
is poe 2 there yet ?
Deterministic crafting good, gambling bad.
Deterministic crafting is fine if its hard to get the currrency. If you’re BIS everything within a week like D3 then its shit
>diablo 4 has no crafting systens
That's a good thing.
I don't understand how Blizztards can enjoy the gameplay of Diablo 4. It all boils down to
>talk to NPC
>get marker on map
>go down linear dungeon
>click on the quest objective
>cut scenes
Wew lad. And on top of that, the loot is fricking BORING just like it was in Diablo 3. It barely has an impact on my build so why would I be motivated to grind for anything? Wow, this "legendary" item gives me a 5% chance for my shitty shock nova skill to proc a few extra zappy things that deal no damage, but only when there are X enemies around? What a brilliant design! Same goes the skills. Same boring skills. Ice bolt/fire bolt/etc all feel the same but with a different color. Wow so the two main ways I can alter these skills are to make it grant mana on hit or make them do MORE damage! This is game-changing shit here, Blizzard!
At least in Path of Exile I have the freedom to do what I want. I can make a 2 hand axe build with the little spell caster girl class, or make a bow build with the big melee gay class. A fricking white item in Path of Exile can be more interesting that any item in Diablo 3 or 4, solely based off of item level, base type, influence, crucible tree. Blizztards won't ever understand that. Everything is an attack, one number you're trying to make BIGGER cuz that's how shallow the design is. Just look for the green arrow when you hover over an item, bro. Truly a game made for consolegays and mobile babbies. Sad! Oh and D4 is $70+paid battle passes and PoE is free lol
just replying to let u know that I didn't read this
>average Blizztard intelligence level
Yep checks out.
replying to let you know that I still didn't read your original comment
You did, and you're clearly obsessed with me. I'm flattered lol
>support bald fat moron and fat moron team
or
>troony loving moron and troony loving team
chris wilson may be a bald fat moron and his vision is the opposite of what players want but his game is and always will be better because he isn't being forced by ceo's to insert a troony or homosexual for every 2 npcs
1 week left homosexuals
u ready?
man thats disgusting. You just know this person is fat as frick
frick you
as if that's your pic
Are you that moronic?
What's wrong?
>You just know this person is fat as frick
No shit, Sherlock, that's meals and drinks for several days for a normal person.
>Dem har bawdat sälja dem energicoladrinkarna med vaniljsmak nu
För helvete.
>Billys
I remember those from Dreamhack, one every morning, lunch and dinner.
>no crafting system
Based.
>timed events
It's a service game.
>early access
This is cringe.
>no trade
Is this even true?
>no trade
kinda. you can only trade rares not uniques. we will see how good rares can actually get but looking at diablo 3 and how rares are there I think trading is practially not in the game.
I think you can trade anything to a party member who was in your group upon the item dropping? Sure it dosent have an “economy” but you can still share good loot with your bros
you can't. it isn't like in d3.
Swore I gave my friend a legendary in beta, maybe it was just a yellow
there is a difference between legendaries and actual uniques. were there even actual uniques in any of the betas. legendaries are basically just rares with one of these special mods which you can craft on any rares making them legendary aswell.
I find it funny how people say PoE is random but D4 isnt. You guys do realise D4 is still random as frick because you need good affixes and rolls on the rare items? The difference is you cant interact or change any of the rares attributes at all in D4, while in PoE you can with crafting currency
cant you reroll one of the 4 mods like in d3 so you only need an item with 3 good mods out of 4. the game has way less mods to chose from making it rather easy to get mainstat, vit, crit on an item. have you seen the mod pool in poe? some items have 20 different prefixes and 20 different suffixes to chose from, items can have 6 mods in total makes it more difficult aswell.
Yes but in PoE there are a bunch of diffetent crafting ways that are more deterministic. There is afaik literally no way to interact with anything in D4. You should have to hope the item rolls well when it drops from a monster
nah like I said you can recraft one of 4 mods like in d3. price go up in gold just like in d3.
recraft meaning what? You reroll it or you choose what to replace it with?
I never played D3
you reroll it. the mod pool isnt very big so you can practically craft the mod you want.
Crafting in PoE is a glorified online casino. The only good title where you can manipulate in a good way is Last Epoch. But you fricking addict won't want to deviate away from your crack. Go on and buy your master another supporter pack, fricking cuck.
>another poetard
People will play it. You can stop.
PoE is for terminally online freaks who need to get time go by.
>t. casual blizztroony
>t. """hardcore""" gachashitter
>IP to Post Ratio
Why are all D4 threads like this? Game only attracts complete schizo's and shills it seems.
No wonder they have the fake community questions in their promo material, everything surrounding this game is so artificial, no genuine interest in this slop.
>diablo 4 has no crafting systens
if PoE had the option to reroll one chosen affix on an item to something new, over and over, Chris Wilson would probably shit himself in rage for a week straight
I bet he's already raging and stomping about the campaign skip. Imagine him wasting five years plus on a new tutorial zone that people ultimately want to skip after going through once or twice.
>bet he's already raging and stomping about the campaign skip.
Wait, what? Is it possible to jump straight to the endgame now?
in D4, once you do the campaign once you can just skip it for every other character you make and start levelling, same as it works in D3.
If that were possible then everyone would have the best gear
you can only ever reroll one affix slot. once you choose to reroll an affix, you lose the option to reroll the other affixes on the item and maybe you can't trade the item from that point
it's basically the same system from D3 except you can trade rare items before you craft them unlike D3 that is almost completely SSF.
I hate Blizzard and hope all the devs die but D4 needs to kill PoE so the bald homosexual moron Chris and his 4 devs working on PoE are forced to change some shit up.
>dead4 is already dead
It is over for us, my fellow blizzcucks...
Given how many falseflag posts and threads about d4 are posted here, with an army of angry spastics always ready to rage about the game at full force, I suspect a mass suicide next week when it hits record sales again.
dont worry, poe2 will fix everything.
6 more weeks and they will blow the world's mind with the reveal, just in time for when people will get burned out from D4.
It'll drop this Christmas season
Any day, my man, any day.
>diablo 4 has no crafting systems
yes it does
4 has no crafting systens
events
>>no trade
all those are a good thing
Are you implying that poe crafting(gambling) is somehow better
im gonna try to farm the kfc event for enough money to buy diablo 4 so i dont feel so bad paying 70 dollars for this trash overhyped game
also maybe get enough money for ffxvi and spiderman too
You guys did buy the early access to participate in this race right?
I always found hardcore mode gay in PoE. You could play non hardcore and just delete your character if you die. On hardcore people just set up a fricking logout macro anyway.
Does D4 let you just logout or close the game to disappear? Would be sweet if they made the character stick around for like 5 min or something before it left the game world.
In D4, you will never die if you alt+f4. In D4, you also have an elixir with a 5 minute cooldown that lets you cheat death.
>In D4, you will never die if you alt+f4
I think it takes a moment for your character to actually log out if you do this. Could still result in a death.
They have a scroll of an escape that is automatically used on death. But it's bugged that you don't ever consume it on a dc.
fricking lol.
Hardcore is meaningless if that's not fixed
>Hardcore is meaningless
couldve just stopped there
funny how all of the morons in the comment section think this is great because they can finally be part of the hardcore community lol
I hate this mentality. morons are crying that the game is too hard but they don't want to switch to world tier 1 because that would invalidate their egos.
People are finding T2 too hard? Fricking how? I would start at T3 if I could. I can't imagine playing at T1 i think I would get too bored
its was just a beta
they will fix it
>I always found hardcore mode gay in PoE. On hardcore people just set up a fricking logout macro anyway.
The meaningful hardcore mode would be to just destroy equipped items on death and saving the exact state of the fight between logins to avoid such cheats.
>You could play non hardcore and just delete your character if you die.
or you could just play hardcore
most of the top100 places will be filled with poe players.
Would be more hilarious if it was just Chinese and Korean hardcore grinders.
chonese and korean grinders are actually bad. you would think they are good because they are soulless bugs who play 24// but they are actually bad players in general.
What a moronic reply, solely to boast your ego when your life is otherwise an empty dead end.
Won't happen. They have tha phone game for that.
>Won't happen. They have tha phone game for that.
yes a phone p2w game that generates a lot of money but what if they had 2 cash cows instead of just one? wouldn't that be in the interest of the shareholders?
Not that guy, but it's pretty obvious that the people who play D4 and DI are entirely different fanbases. The D4 playerbase won't tolerate as much bullshit as the DI fanbase. If they push too hard on D4, they will just lose people. We already saw this happening with D3's release with the RMAH, and this was before all the Blizzard controversies and scandals, when they were still fairly beloved.
Just because they don't share the same playerbase doesn't mean they won't cough up money to pay for an advantage.
I dont know. I think the blizzard fanbase as a whole is stupid and moronic. I dont see any difference between the generic overwatch, diablo 3, d:i or d4 player.
Cope
great point really nice argument you made here, anon.
sneed
>I dont see any difference between the generic overwatch, diablo 3, d:i or d4 player.
There's huge differences. Look at how accepting the Overwatch players are of all the LGBT shit. They are literally begging for Blizzard to make more of it constantly. Meanwhile if they attempted to do the same to Diablo, most people would not be okay with that.
> Meanwhile if they attempted to do the same to Diablo, most people would not be okay with that.
LOL
Are you guys forgetting how fricking up in arms everyone were about just the color scheme of Diablo 3? You are delusional if you think the Diablo fanbase will accept 50% of the characters being LGBT.
You could literally charge people a $30 entrance fee to a race and people will suck blizzard's dick still.
meanwhile we're helpless as they turn all the angels black
I do think the majority would be okey with it. What are you talking about? The generic blizzardrone is a mindless npc.
delusional
If you think that all games' audiences are one monolithic block, you are only projecting. Literally the same behaviour Stacy did back in school telling everyone that you are a degenerate hunchback with no personality.
Diablo's been completely homosexualfied since D3 and a side quest or dialog involving gay romance is sure thing in D4
>Won't happen. They have tha phone game for that.
the absolute state of blizzdrones
>Have to pay extra to participate in the HC race
It's already pay to win before it even releases.
How many HC races did you participate in PoE and diablo2?
I don't know how this is relative to the fact that you have to pay the early access fee to even participate in the race.
zero that required irl money entry fee
Seems like you didn't have any interest in it to begin with. And it's all rage for the sake of outrage.
Don't dodge the question. If I can pay to start at lap 30 instead of lap 1 in a Formula 1 Race, is that not pay to win?
So, if I can pay to start at level 50 instead of level 1, how is that not pay to win?
Lmao, you outrage addicted.
I accept your concession.
Thanks for the laugh, buddy.
i'm onto you
wont happen since poe Black folk are poor and you have to pay premium to get access to the game 4 days earlier
wow congrats!
unfortunately, the T&C already state they have right to not recognize if your username is offensive at their own sole discretion
maybe the hero known as BeachLink will make a play for it, who knows
Ganker ruin everything
I suspect the savest method will be to grind levels everywhere and never attempt boss fight. For sure, no world bosses or dungeons, as they can be too dangerous if you don't have gear and enough defensive layers.
Why would you want to though? It'll just be a list of the game's 1000 biggest losers
>It'll just be a list of the game's 1000 biggest losers
pretty much this
The safest method would be to buy the early access first and foremost.
Then, you have to to have sucked blizzard's dick for a while to be given early access to the full game.
>and never attempt boss fight
You will have to fight the capstone dungeon bosses or whatever they are called to advance world tiers no matter what. World tier 1 mob levels only goes to 50. World tier 3 goes to 70.
I would actually be interested in doing this, but I don't want to buy the early access.
>You guys did buy the early access to participate in this race right?
No
>diablo 4 has no crafting systems
4 has no crafting systens
not defending the game but thats literally false. it might not be as hyper autistic as PoE but its there. find a rare item with the stats you want and put a unique mod on it and hope for a good roll
>Being able to map out the most efficient levelling method isn't an advantage if you make them start at level 1 like the rest!
So this is the brilliant mind behind D4 huh?
Holy frick, he's actually moronic. He might as well have written "How does knowing which builds are good, where to go for all quests, where to find Lilith statues, how all boss mechanics function, etc. give an unfair advantage?"
>diablo 4 has no crafting systens
There is a crafting system though. It's not a deep one, but it's there. I'm also 99% sure some season will introduce D3-like crafting. Also, there will be another season with rune words, which is basically like crafting.
>no trade
There is trading, you just won't be able to trade the most powerful uniques/ancestral/sacred items. People were already buying and selling on d2jsp for the fricking betas. https://forums.d2jsp.org/forum.php?f=142
>Have to trade through forum posts
Fricking blizzcucks I swear
>no crafting
what a relief, crafting is the worst shit in videogames
D4 is what you get when you design a game trying to appease everybody and have no design philosophy yourself. Fricking embarrassing.
>get a youtube ad
>it's a black guy talking about DARKNESS
jej
>get a youtube ad
What a homosexual
Is horn supposed to be delivered in e mail code type of thing, or is it gonna appear in your game one you start it?
check your spam folder before it gets wiped? It came right after beta ended
You just get it in the game on release.
>no crafting
>no trade
uhh, good?
PoE was honestly too easy. Even with all its false difficulty. At least D4 will be a fun casual experience for once.
care to explain what false dfficulty is supposed to be?
The one where they pretend that increasing ammounts of grind makes the game ~~*harder*~~
so you are just full of shit. gotcha
Go cry about your dead game elsewhere
I mean I got a point. He even deleted his post because of shame.
Doesn't change the fact PoE is a dead game
As a Diablo 4 player, how do I respond to POE players when the game inevitably devolves into p2w garbage without sounding mad?
say you played d4 only to be contrarian and never really cared about it and maybe they will let you back in
>niGGGer janny
You’re not allowed to post anything bad about the game or it’s employees or janny don’t get paid. Even if it’s been established for over a year now.
I'm level 86 in PoE right now, further than I've ever been, kinda fun to just pick a canon build and work with it.
>no trade
jspnigs blown out and sitting on a mountain of worthless forum gold
https://forums.d2jsp.org/forum.php?f=142
Stop believing everything you read. OP is wrong about no trading.
God I hope Last Epoch's endgame isn't dogshit for 1.0 because both D4 and PoE2 both feel like horrible options for opposite reasons.
sorry I'm not playing chinese spyware aka PooE 2
Please?
both games and their companies are owned by tencent.
>5% ownership vs. 88%
moving the goal post
How is that moving the goalpost when they don't even own anywhere near 50% to be considered owners of blizzard or their games.
>94%
I'm not touching this. There are probably installing some kernel level spyware
>There are probably installing some kernel level spyware
do you have a smartphone or are you using windows?
I use templeOS, frick you glowie.
Tencent owns 4.9% of blizzard. I hardly called that being owned by them.
>americans will limi themselves to troony goyslop to avoid touching masterpieces made in china
lol
lmao even
>masterpieces
>made in china
>get fricked by blizzard with overwatch
>get fricked by blizzard with wow classic
>get fricked by blizzard with HotS
>get fricked by blizzard with d3 launch
>idk about HS and SC2, but it doesn't seem bright
>wow retail is dead
>people are still hyped about a blizzard game
>people are still somehow hyped over the most boring arpg of the last 10 years
it'll sell because blizzdrones are suckers, and it'll die a month after
>SC2
Probably has like 1 intern working on it whose only responsibility is to make sure the servers are running before he goes back to jerking off the day away. They moved the devs to other projects and left it on maintenance mode.
Probably a better fate than what would've happened with the current blizzard continuing to work on it.
>*Taps on Image of The Pillars™"
Tick Tock Diabtroons, enjoy your 1 week "game".
Last Epoch may have all of those things, but at the end of the day the endgame is absolutely atrocious. It's somehow even worse than D3's endgame, which just consisted of GR fishing spam.
Not to mention that LE's endgame itemization/gearing is literally just chasing after materials so that you can craft whatever you want. Loot stops being an actual thing. In a fricking ARPG. Why?
Last Epoch doesn't even have randomly generated levels
Target farming your proper uniques with LP is a better start than D3's endgame which is just GRs. The problem isn't the structure, it's the Echoes themselves which are boring as frick on top of it taking too many of them to fill up the bar to fight the monolith boss.
They are such a massive marketing gag, just like the vision. Ten years and it still isn't finished. Then jumping left and right to switch things when the outrage was hitting his wallet too hard.
Complete meme only the biggest fangirls and walking wallets eat.
every one of those is a sham
fricking LOL
how are randomly generated levels and items a sham
it's the same fricking level every time they just rotate it. please tell me you knew this and are just memeing
as for randomized items, have you never heard of harvest? do you not realize that nearly all of the crafting mechanics added to PoE over the years break that sacrosanct "pillar" at least a little bit?
LMAO
>it's the same fricking level every time they just rotate it.
that's completely not true, why are you lying? maps have specific layouts that random generation adheres to but they aren't just rotated lol.
I also don't see how being able to craft or change the randomly GENERATED items goes against that pillar. It doesn't say items are always random and not manipulatable which is what you're implying.
LOL YOU DIDN'T KNOW FRICKING LMAO
also, you can either lower the bar on this homosexual pillars to the point that virtually every arpg fits the definition and PoE isn't special at all or you keep it high and delude yourself into thinking PoE is a super special pinnacle of arpg design when anyone with even average intelligence can see that GGG shit on and ignore those super important pillars whenever they feel like it
you fell for some cheap marketing spiel from The israelite known as Chris "BFR" Wilson
LOL
It isn't lowering the bar or even ignoring the pillars, you are trying to extrapolate on a very simple idea to prove something which it never states. Items are random when generated, this is always true. Maps are procedurally generated.
I know you're just pretending to be a seething blizztroony or something but here is an hour long video of the devs showing how their procedural generation works, there's also another from over a decade ago if you'd like to see how things have changed since they first started.
>Items are random when generated
every arpg
>Maps are procedurally generated
by your standard, every arpg
LMFAO completely deluded and brainwashed
last epoch doesn't have procedurally generated maps, they actually are just static and rotated like you tried to imply poe maps are. I accept your concession on that though.
>they actually are just static and rotated like you tried to imply poe maps are
I will concede that some of the poe maps aren't rotated and are just static every time, like last epoch
LMAO you're like some cringe nerd mormon
>s-stop criticizing my glorious perfect daddy, he knows everything and is the best REEEEEEEEEEEEE
I don't think so, maps like Atoll that are always a very rigid layout are still randomly generated. you're just screeching like a moron now though because you've been unequivocally proven wrong
LOL YOU'RE SEETHING ABOUT BEING CALLED OUT
>very rigid layout are still randomly generated
like I said, lower the bar if you want but now PoE isn't some super special design because virtually every arpg does the shit you're talking about
KEK
>it's the same fricking level every time they just rotate it.
I play with poehud and it's not true, there's a lot of layouts and some minor difference to that layout on reroll of location.
There are maps in Poe that are literally the same every time, with random spawn location. That other anon is right and you are coping.
Sure, what are my thousands of hours with maphack compared to some random moron and his gut feel.
They are literally the same map with the same layout. You spawn at a random spot. Sometimes it's also rotated. The enemy spawns and mechanics are randomized. That's virtually every PoE map right there. Cope and seethe.
Do you mean it's possible to get the same layout eventually? Maps don't usually have a random spawn point either it's always in generally the same area. The other anon even posted a video about their map generation.
No there isn't, besides I guess boss arenas or something
Bald fricking moron. He’s the actual pic
>pve solo hack and slash game
>BUT WHERE ARE MY MULTIPLAYER FEATURES
literally have a nice day
d4 is always online mmorpg you absolute moron
>play grim dawn
>craft one time use keys for a randomized dungeon that kicks you out if you die
>craft level 1 gear to powerlevel new builds
Works on my game.
>play grim dawn
>die to barely visible revenge ground aoe while picking up loot
>die to barely visible projectile from offscreen that did a billion damage
>die to boss attack because some fricking moron thought giving skills backswing was a good idea and doesn't make the game play like porridge
>bosses instant cast unavoidable doom bolts on you from offscreen even if you're playing a minion spam build and your whole army is attacking them
>go from facerolling almost everything to barely even being able to damage the Hidden Path final boss at all on the second difficulty
Literally me yesterday, I think I'm fricking done with this game lmao
How didn't you feel asleep while playing it?
5 more days
can't fricking wait
Ultimate Edition? Pre-Ordered.
Ashava Trophy & Beta-only titles? Acquired.
Yep, it's gaming time.
>he didnt preorder all of 260 mtx
ngmi
>Console
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ROCK HURLING
Don't forget to sub to your favorite Diablo 4 streamers!
>ultimate edition
>snoybabie
OHNONONOONONONO
>all the early access streamers are raving about the content heavy end game and how great it is
Buckle up boys!!!!
>crafting
When will this meme die. I dont want to pick up trash to craft some other garbage.
i only liked poe when it had heavily deterministic crafting methods from fossils and harvest
it's just moronic gambling treadmill without it
i miss mapping out earthquake bleed or coc weapons and being able to comfortably ride out the entire league on the back of something i personally put together
>tfw they nerfed the shit out of warcry/slam/crit builds on top of it all
frick the whole genre, grim dawn is the king of shit mountain
It still has those mechanics? Harvest and fossils that is, also essences, fractured, eldritch implicits only change your implicits so you are mostly free there aswell. Not sure what your post is meant to say really
the current methods are practically lobotomized compared to how they used to be, due to "players becoming too powerful" by creating what their builds want to use
tl;dr compounding nerfs to the ability to target certain implicit tags or force augmentations through tag manipulation over the span of two years until the system is barely worth investment
What are you talking about? Harvest is the only one that got a significant nerf afaik. Essences, fractured, fossils work the same as ever
morons who joined much later will never get to know how good some builds felt to play. And how overall better the game used to be. I can already sense how you are going to get attacked by those fricking freaks defending all the terrible decisions GGG did.
It's another episode of that pillars dude defending his surrogate daddy
the sheer fact that I don't have to rely on a 6 link to progress makes d4 a more enjoyable game, the amount of times I've been endlessly hard walled in SSFHC by not having a six link has driven me to madness
>UNI-FRICKING-RONICALLY filtered by 6 links
Jesus christ i really didnt know the average Ganker anon was such a moron
frick you Black person, last league I was 96 ssfhc with zero(0) natty 6 link drops, or corrupted, or from heist, and I had a GG chest for my build that would not link to save it's fricking life, it's a shit mechanic and frick you Black person wilson
I played for 3 hours today and had easily 10 6-linked corrupted chests. Youre just moronic
frick both you Black folk. frick linking, and frick Black person wilson
You have no right to use that word if you get filtered by 6 linking
suck the shit out of my ass Black person linking is dogshit and you're dogshit for supporting it
Afaik they are removing linking in POE2 so we will for sure see more shitters like you come back
>implying he won't get filtered with linking his gems.
>lvl 96
>think this is some achievement
>in logoutcore
lol
I suicided a character at level 99 after blowing 3k fuse on a chest at 30% quality.
>play the game wrong
>complain it's not fun
Ishygddt
it has crafting and not having trade is a good thing. Literally every POE streamer plays SSF cause trade is cancer, Nice fricking argument.
100% of ssf streamers play hc. hc players are not human
It's really funny to me that Diablo went from literal precursor of the genre to generic arpg sludge with lite mmo elements and yet you get a shitton of them genuinely hyped for the game.
It just shows how much people put up with in the name of nostalgia
>Total numbers for dps shown in game, bad
>Total numbers for dps shown in 3rd party program, good
Holy shit. The outrage about d4 is so insane. Hope we get some more rage pics.
There will still be third party programs for seeing your actual dps, the in game sheet doesn't calculate all your proc % and legendary affixes
People whining about it don't even understand that Attack Power is just D4's way of showing sheet DPS. They think it's an actual base multiplier when that's really only the one on your weapon. Attack power is only even useful for crit builds because of how they calculate it, no conditional multipliers make it go up and probably 80% of affixes are conditional. Probably the same brainlets that play trade in PoE then pretend like they're hardcore ARPG nerds.
any interesting chase uniques / legendaries?
No. Literally just damage multipliers.
kek, thanks anons
Oh, and remember the paragon board? Yeah... Don't expect to find anything interesting there either.
POEbros... We won.
>maximum life becomes 1 immune to chaos damage
What the frick?
If you've never played POE you just stack energy shield and you have that as your health pool instead so the 1hp part is irrelevant since you would have no health as energy shield build anyway.
Is chaos damage common? If you are immune to it does it mean it won't hit your shields?
Chaos damage is much more common now, yes. You will not take damage from Chaos damage at all if you take the node.
Energy Shield has a weakness where Chaos damage bypasses it. So taking this node, you want to stack as much energy shield as possible foregoing Life on gear. You can technically have a higher Energyshield value than Life, but it also introduces a host of new problems to solve since ailments like stun/freeze/shock are based on your max life.
Chaos damage bypasses shields and you have like -60% resistance to it by default and chaos resistance is somewhat rare so CI is a very powerful passive. Or at least it was I've last played POE years ago so maybe it's shit in the current meta I don't know.
Yea brother hahaha
thats just pre alpha
they will fix it
Mhm
>poe's support gems on your amulet
What's the issue here, apart from not having it in your tree?
Nothing. Poorgays will eternally hate Diablo. Nice trips.
>Amulet of pulling whirlwind
>on an amulet that makes whirlwind pull enemies towards you
Amazing creativity.
Diablo 4 is the future of gaming.
$100 Base game with 4 day pay to win headstart.
Premium Cash Shop with 250+ items on day 1 (https://www.diablofans.com/news/50608-diablo-4-shop-products-preview)
Premium Platinum Currency (Warcraft allows direct purchase of cosmetic/mounts with usd, why not D4?)
Premium Battle Pass
Premium Mounts
Planned Expansions for $70 (I thought all the above was supposed to cover this?)
Features of Diablo 4.
Two 'options' per skill for customization. Diablo 3 had 6 per skill on launch.
Game UI that is 500% too big and doesn't scale with 4k monitors.
No map overlay, corner minimap is ridiculously small on a 4k screen.
Character Screen takes up HALF your screen, regardless of resolution.
Social/Clan/Achievement windows take up your ENTIRE screen, regardless of resolution
When you finish a dungeon/rift, you have to find a hidden button in the emote menu to find a 'leave dungeon' button.
You have to 'wait' a few minutes before you can re-enter a dungeon.
Capped 100 paragon.
No trading, no legendary trading. (= no economy, no gg item hunting.)
Monsters scale with your level, meaning you get WEAKER as you level if you don't find an item upgrade.
'Fake' multiplayer. World 'scales' with your level, people around you are not even fighting what you see.
8 Players per zone. 12 for the 'world boss'.
PVP Map is capped to 8 players, you can invite your friends, then leave and invite more until you fill your layer, preventing any 'pvp'.
Individual class based loot.
Entire game already datamined, before you can even play it.
Streamers are already playing because they got 2 weeks early-early access to the game, no wipe, they're already 100.
3-Month Seasons
Diablo 3 had seasons to reset the economy. - Diablo 4 has no trading, no economy.
Diablo 3 had seasons to reset infinite paragon. - Diablo 4 paragon is capped at 100, reachable in 1 week.
Diablo 3 had seasons to reset the leaderboards. - Diablo 4 has no leaderboards and 'private profiles'.
Also no seasons on launch for the first 4 months so you can beta test for them.
>No map overlay
Good. Overlay trannies get the rope.
Basically all of this is just made up bullshit. Nice bait.
Those diablo 4 onions boys will come to PoE once it's dead in two weeks, right? Right? Please come back, and buy supporter packs. GGG said they have to can PoE 2 if you don't buy enough.
thats what has been happening with every other poe killer indeed. i dont see any reason for it to not happen again
It's not going to happen. Why would a casual audience suddenly want a complex arpg with a complete lack of qol features? Do you really think you can sell them a game where you have to move over and pick up all items, one by one? Where you have to pay money for stash? A feature that is literally free in all other games? Not going to fly. Before you try to Black person reply me some Black person thought back, I've tried to show a casual friend poe more than once and he never sticked. Game over. The best thing that poe 2 can pull is some returners and freemium tards.
I don't know, do you really think someone will pay $70 for a game with a paid battlepass and paid microtransactions?
This might completely blow your mind, but millions will do. You could have observed this with other games before, if only you had interest in anything but one game.
I have more of a feeling that the ship sailed, and any casual will just watch a streamer play poe.
>This might completely blow your mind, but millions will do
Good morning sir!
Chris, you need to listen. You are breaking the game. Listen, Chris, you have to listen to my calls. Triple caution, stay away from vision. Concentrate Chris, no vision, nice and easy, no. Concentrate. Listen to my calls. Chris you have to listen, you are watching and driving.
>Chris, abandon what made path of exile great and listen to my suggestion that would completely ruin your game!
But he abandoned what made PoE great and tried to chase streamers.
>Still remaining faithful to all dev manifesto
>abandoning what made POE great
Not really. If you are a harvest Black person, you were never really the target audience to begin with.
So why did he roll back arch nemesis if the vision was so great? Oh right, now I remember, half the game's player base left for good. But I'm glad the game got a truck load of people playing f2p games only.
>Roll back archnemesis
>literally just removed the pretty colors but modifiers are still there
You can't be this moronic can you? Also, Crucible literally broke all time peak players, again. I'm glad you have your casualized, mobile version of an ARPG. In fact, I hope D4 is successful so I won't have to share the same game as you again.
Lmao, you are definitely a lost cause to their marketing department.
thats rich coming from a blizzdrone
>again
it stagnated for 2 years LOL and it took a D4 waiting room league to break that
Haha, thank you kind white knight. You showed these arpg babbis. Thank you for shielding this online cas- I mean cool and dandy video game. You certainly are my chosen piglet. The big brain among walking wallets. Be my thrall, join the others and write everywhere how much you love me and the game. I'm infallible, and this game is the best video game in your misse- great life. Have one phantasy point as a “Thank You”. Buy a loot box and keep on the fight! Grind on!
>Blizzdrone calling anybody else white knights
ironic.
d4 isn't just pulling casuals, it's pulling everyone. a portion of the people who try d4 will be interested in trying other arpgs and a portion of them will enjoy what poe offers much more. the more people who play d4, the more people play poe, that's pretty obvious.
You think they turn into poe players, but actually it just translates into more players for Last Epoch. You got goofed homosexual.
That depends on them getting to 1.0 fast and significantly improving their endgame.
Normal people literally don't care. Diablo Immortal is the ultimate pay to win soulless goyslop and it's on track to generate $700M per year.
casual audience will play it for 2 weeks and move on. the people who would actually put 1000s of hours into a game also wont be playing it for much longer
you could not make it more obvious that you aren't from around here if you actually tried, newbie
not even a poegay, don't have time for these
>diablo 4 has no crafting systens
Oh thank god.
>tfw game is going to flop 50k copies sold total and everyone will be going back to poe to buy $300 supporter packs
reminder that 2.6 MILLION players earned the wolf pet. that was before advertising even started. THEY SHOULD SEE US IN A CROWN!!!
when the frick is poe2, i actually had a lot of fun this league but i just want poe2
It's crazy how much nu-Ganker are willing to lie and make up absolutely moronic things, when there's already 100 different things about D4 that are 100% valid to complain about.
nu-Ganker is absolutely desperate to have their TORtanic moment because they weren't around back then.
every blizzard game is a tortanic. you hear good things only before the release and then its all gone
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>HAHAHA X $S FOR THIS!?
Poorgays are prominent on Ganker because this U.S. image board is not region locked. $70~120 is a lot of money in European countries, Australia, and straight up isn't feasible for developing third world countries. It's human nature for the poor to envy the wealthy. Jealous and --
>GOYSLOP ILL JUST PLAY POE/EPOCH/D2/etc.
These games were probably on steady declines BEFORE Diablo 4's announcements. With the announcement and subsequent beta releases they have been spiralling. Why do poorgays NOT want you to play Diablo 4? Because it keeps there freemium/off brand products alive. Last Epoch has been dipping to sub 500 peak players and POE, even as a free sevice, has been struggling to maintain over 15k outside season launches. That's less than a typical WoW medium population server. The survival of their game depends on the failure of D4.
>*INSERT MISINFORMATION, BLATANTLY WRONG STATEMENT, ETC.*
The modus operandi of a shit poster is to pollute a thread with misinformation to repel people who may be interested in the game. In addition, they want to bait more and more responses to further shit up the thread ultimately occupying a post spot legitimately interested in discussing the game. Simply do not engage - it's a no win scenario. Your responses will be cherry-picked for key words and they will just continue the shitposting.
Save this for future threads - I know i will! Cheers and see you in Sanctuary
>someone got paid for this pasta
was it the goblin? or the fat one?
>He doesn't love my goyslop game and isn't giving me upboats in praise, must be a shil! nobody else would mock me and my fellow morons!
>still believing in blizzard
the only moron here is you
Wow. The pasta is right.
the pasta wont fix shit game
>MFW a "shit" game kills yours
>said 47 other games before d4
You can literally go and watch dozens of leaked gameplay videos and complete discord vods of the review access version of the game.
The game is literally shit. a 6 out of 10 at most. Normies will give higher score because of muh story and cinematics, but the gameplay stays the same throughout the whole game. You don't get anything special or meaningful to change the you play at max level. You will be using the same fireball until you kill the Curator at level 100
>The game is literally shit. a 6 out of 10 at most.
Go ahead and attempt to justify why you think it's a 6/10 ARPG.
kripparian said so
Kripparian also said that from season 3, he believes it could be a 9.5/10 game.
combat gameplay is spam generator, then empty mana, then repeat
for all classes
that's it, that's the whole gameplay, for all classes
no depth at all
That would suffice for the game to get a 6/10, but there's more:
talent swstem is a joke, and the runes in d3 were more interesting
no interesting crafting
lots of features were just copied from lost ark
sometimes crudely, like the stagger system on bosses
musics are not above the quality you find in other games
it's the only AAA arpg on the market, and it's the worse of them all
remove the name "diablo" or "blizzard" and nobody would talk about it
See:
>shills arent even trying to defend their shit game anymore
that post perfectly defends any and all attacks on diablo 4 in Ganker.
your pasta just says to not listen to non shill posts.
>p-please respond
that's not my post, i was just pointing out it's perfect defense properties.
One could say is has high Defense Power.
it literally defends nothing
>someone says something bad about diablo??? must be shitposters!
meanwhile heres a list of shit
and shills are silent
>apply pasta to post
>post is completely debunked
>"shills" need do nothing as pasta has entirely debunked argument
what did the pasta debunk exactly? valid criticism?
>pasta eliminates all poorgay nonsense
>pasta eliminates shitposting topics
bam, boom, simple. debunked.
>your opinion doesnt matter because you are LE POOR
>only LE SHITPOSTER would say a bad thing about diablo
Yes.
d4 is shit. thats also correct
What a moronic post.
>that's it, that's the whole gameplay, for all classes
No. The gameplay is dodging enemy mechanics and using your utility spells along with generating resource to spend it on your core damage spells.
>talent swstem is a joke, and the runes in d3 were more interesting
Talent system is best it has been so far. You just want to hate the game because it's shitzard who is making it.
>sometimes crudely, like the stagger system on bosses
The whole point of stagger is to make CC builds viable. You know more choices and all.
>musics are not above the quality you find in other games
This game has easily one of the best OSTs in all of video games. Very memorable and soulful tracks and great experimental ambients. You just want cheap "I AM PUMPING DAMAGE GUYS" techno pop garbage.
>it's the only AAA arpg on the market, and it's the worse of them all
It's the best looking ARPG on the market.
>remove the name "diablo" or "blizzard" and nobody would talk about it
The game is great. If it had the same amount of marketing people would quickly pick it up. The game is attracting huge crowds of people who never heard of Diablo franchise.
Anon, stop falling for bait.
Sounds better than D2. In the server slam I fought 4 unique bosses with unique mechanics (not counting the tutorial boss who is also more complex than anything in D2 btw). I want more of that. If I get more of that then cool. Using 8 abilities with easy respec beats using 1 ability + enigma teleport without respec.
This is straight up embarassing. I really hope you are paid and this isnt a genuine blizztroony post
>The survival of their game depends on the failure of D4
The audience for this genre is so small now, that the sheer numbers that D4 gets at launch will be more likely to help than hurt other ARPGs.
Love this. It's going to rustle so many PoE gays.
Don't forget that most of the hardcore GGG PoE shills play the game 12 hours a day and RMT as a living in their shithole countries
They literally NEED their awful games to stay alive of they will starve once people stop buying.
It's the only thing I can read out of all the people defending PoE right now. The game is on a decline ever since three years or so ago. And the numbers are complete bullshit.
Saved. The amount of ass chapped gays already responding is insane.
HOLY COPE
i can't wait for d4 to flop hard ngl
>flop
2 million people earned the beta wolf pup. That's more than 10x PoE's peak player count. Sorry to burst your bubble, babe.
>less than half the preorders of d3 on all platforms while d3 was pc only
LOL
LMAO
I didn't say pre-orders. I said achieved the cosmetic for reaching max level in the beta. Your point is moot.
d3 preorders were (I think) about 3.6 million and it sold 6 million after the first week
d4 is going to beat that I'm sorry to disappoint you and all the other shazamtrannies
KNOT, KNOT! Who's there you ask? Your rope. You are going to need it once it hits record sales next week. B-b-ut I said it's dead on arrival..! Pretty please.
d4sisters
we lost
Name a single Blizzard game that has ever been an actual financial flop.
D4 will very likely sell 10 million copies in the first month, and then 30 million copies in its lifetime if they keep up with good seasons.
>the game is today in an ever worse state than d3 back in 2012
>it's worse each of its competitor
>somehow people still defend this
>the easiest lost ark field boss was still harder and more fun than the snoozefest that was ashava
>half the target audiance couldn't even down ashava
this game is for double digit iq, with the memory of a concussed goldfish
>the game is today in an ever worse state than d3 back in 2012
This is not true it any way. D4's launch is in a MUCH better state than D3's launch was. D3 was fricking riddled with so many shitty things. Not sure what in the frick you are talking about here.
>it's worse each of its competitor
Only PoE is better overall, but D4 is not going for the hardcore audience.
LMAOING HARD @ THAT ONE KRAUT DOOMtroony FROM /POEG/
he's an ssgay too
>uh oh stinky doomtroon melty
Knock knock!
What class are y'all playing at launch?
It's Barb for me,
I played reaper at launch but i might just go berserker.
>reddit spacing
>d4troony
I want to play Barb, but I am afraid that melee will just be fricked on so many boss mechanics and Blizzard won't properly balance it.
wudijo has been saying Barb and Druid are in the best shape at the end due to all their survivability and that Necromancer and Rogue are actually in a rougher spot due to limited defensive tools. Supposedly Rogue with it starting off so savagelt strong peeters out a little and really becomes focused on positioning and staying alive.
>wudijo has been saying Barb and Druid are in the best shape at the end due to all their survivability
Yeah, I've seen some videos of him talking about it. However, he also stated that he only made it to level 80 during the week or so that he had full access to the game, so it could be completely different at actual endgame at 100 with full gear and the highest level Nightmare dungeons.
That's true. I'm just too hyped to spin2win to pass it up.
>I'm just too hyped to spin2win to pass it up.
Me too. I wanna try a WW build, a Rend/bleed build, and a Kick build. Though, I have to say that the WW animation seems very slow, for whatever reason. They should speed that up to make it feel more like D3.
Yeah bleed + thorns seems cool, but Blizz always seems to beef against passive damage so IDK if thorns will thrive.
What do you mean resummoning? I had to resummon in slam other than entering a boss arena which i liked the latter because having to leave an area to find corpses to resummon BEFORE boss wouldn't be cool.
I mean the skeletons are dying way more than in D2 which I think is good. In D2 they have barely any dmg and can tank nukes in the face (except on bosses they instantly die to aoe).
Mine weren't dying very frequently with the masteries except against bosses AOEs but there's a few talents in the 25 tree that mitigates AOE damage. I also noticed when i had a shield equipped they were even tankier.
They changed the skeletons with a hotfix on sunday so they weren't dying much anymore. If you used the shield skeletons they have a passive immune to single source of damage every 6 seconds. In my opinion the reapers are the most powerful. They can generate corpses on bosses in abundance if you use their corpse generation passive, or they deal huge damage with the other passive if you are specced in shadow.
Why would this need a hotfix? Do they not playtest their own game to tune it before giving it to players?
I don't know what happened but when the server slam started the official forums and reddit were crying like little babies because the skeletons were "dying too much". I played the slam from the start and it wasn't an issue for me. Maybe it wasn't an issue for the playtest either unless the slam was their intended playtest. Anyway everyone was crying and threatening to refund because they didn't read lv25 talents. Blizzard looked at the data and said yeah we agree here is skeleton buff. When I played it after the hotfix the skeletons lasted significantly longer but the reddit and blizz forum trannies were still crying "I can't beat bosses because my skeletons die please blizzard I want to unwind when I come home and just stand back and see my skeletons beat the content for me".
Embarassing. I saw those threads aswell but didnt really pay attention to it.
But it seems the average redditeur on d4 subreddit is a 40 yo balding gaymer dad so it doesnt surprise me they want the game as easy as possible
Having a hard time to decide between necro or sorcerer. Haven't played either yet. It's probably necro, as I love the theme entirely across all games.
Uninstall Wizard
Bard or Necro
>bard
I wish it existed
Necro has a lot of popularity it seems. I really liked the class in slam. Too bad they are reverting the need to resummon your skeletons as it would filter all the autopilot passive playing morons.
>gatekeeping a class
you're not welcomed by blizzard.
Considering D3 released at the peak of Blizzard's popularity and D4 is releasing when it's considered the worst company in the industry, it's crazy that D4 might still beat it sales wise. Either way it will make much more money overall anyway thanks to cash shop.
>it's crazy that D4 might still beat it sales wise
You just have to look at the the numbers of the whole industry and the standards of the industry. So much has changed over the last 11 years, it's genuinely like a whole different world.
fair point
I was going to buy this on my PS5 but realized there's no Paladin, what the frick?
Path of Exile better
You can play both, only autists make everything a competition.
d4 is DOA
PoE is better on paper. The problem is in literally everything else the execution is 400% better in D3 and D4.
It doesn't matter how good your skill tree is if the game looks and plays like shit.
Even if I swore off Blizzard forever, I hope it's a great game solely so that GGG gets its head out of chris wilson's ass and starts making good leagues. Crucible and Kalandra were inexcusably garbage, Sanctum was deeply flawed too but it was fixable at least.
>the latest leagues suck
>im gonna complain about it despite knowing they have limited dev time since they are focused on launching the sequel
>they have to do it asap aswell to time it with D4 launch
You are the Black personest Black person
>Bald Hard-R's vision
vs
>Blizztrannies vision
Both of them suck and ARPGs have been dead since Blizzard North (the actual talent of Blizzard) died in 2004.
Cope and Seethe, both of you.
Crafting in poe is so fricking bullshit, it's better have no craft at all like D4.
t. 12k hours in poe
PoE is unfun garbage designed for gambling addicts.
next week will be spicy on Ganker
ngl blizzard has the best buyers remorse threads
As someone who makes crafting his main source of income in PoE. It's absolutely fricking dog shit in its current iteration.
You usually end up dumping metric frick ton of currency in the item, hoping you will het half decent rolls and depending WHAT you want to hit it's either, pure fricking RNG (Awakened orbs for double influence items).
Or 17+ step crafting process that requires you to have two spreadsheets open and craftofexile at the same time, autistically calculating your best way to achieve the result you want on every step (if Chris's visionTM won't frick you up in the process and takes a massive dump all over your item).
Thanks for putting couch co-op in the game!
I imagine this makes development significantly harder, why was it so important to include this in Diablo IV™?
Serious question.
How do you people conciously make the decision to buy BLIZZARD games after good 10 years of constant failures? What motivates you to think "This time will surely be different"?
>le failures
I don't care about what you consider to be a failure. If the game is fun, I'll play it. I don't attach my identity to a company. It's just a game.
I played D4 and I liked what I saw. It's that simple. I hate Blizzard but I want to play a polished ARPG that controls well and D4 is that. When I tried out PoE I saw the skill tree and I quit. It didn't impress me, it's not interesting, it's moronic.
So you saw the PoE tree and it didn't impress you, but you instead found D4 system interesting? How is "deal 4% more damage while enemy is vulnerable to your mother's broth sauce" better exactly?
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DIDN'T LIKE POE?!?! IT'S FRICKING PERFECT WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?@? YOU CAN'T JUST ENJOY SIMPLE FUN GAMES YOU HAVE TO LOG IN TO THE CASINO SIMULATOR TRADE israelite JOBGRIND NOTHING ELSE MATTERS!!!!
>gets blown the frick out
>posts a sóyak with a meltdown
>deal 4% more damage while enemy is vulnerable
That's what I saw on the PoE tree and I realized it's a sytem you either check out some autist who already solved it better than you ever will or I will make a suboptimal build and frick myself. I have no idea how costly respec in PoE is but the skilltree is bloated anyway even if respec is completely free. Complexity for the sake of complexity is not interesting. D4 has simple tree with good choices that are visually and mechanically distinct and combining them in multitude of ways is fun. It's easy and fast to experiment and I can come up with functional and viable builds without having to go to some autistic external tutorial or watch a video where someone who knows which +4% talent combinations are the best.
I played it and it was fun. It's a videogame and not my whole life. I'll enjoy it for a time and then I'll move on when I get bored.
>10 years
I stopped at WC3
liking Blizzard is tantamount to being a brainlet. why do you think simplifying a genre is their schtick?
this isnt looking good, sisters
>already breaking promises of no p2w
>people will still consume this slop
>It's p2w It's p2w It's p2w
>p2w = getting early access means you're more likely to win hardcore race to 100
lol ok troony
dear god you shill are fricking shameless
They are trying to get their super ultra deluxe Diablo 4 KFC edition. Please understand.
HOLY COPE
pw2 applies to paying for in-game power. having your screen name on some ugly statue at blizz hq isn't exactly "winning" in an adult's book.
>It's not p2w if I don't see it as winning
>I'm an adult
Blizzard isn't sending their best.
Just because your third world monkey brain doesn't understand P2W doesn't mean you're right, hun.
>Blizzard hosts a competition for a first to 1000 race
>Being in the top 1000 isn't really winning since the status is ugly and I don't like it!
Blizzard toddlers are truly hilarious.
embarrassing. if this is your marketing strategy then good luck
>play PoE
>asked to be in menus the majority of the time to have an effective build
>gameplay is zoomer-tier SPAM SPAM SPAM GAS GAS GAS
>play D4
>controlling character the majority of the game instead of stuck in menus
>gameplay has weight, skills feel powerful instead of obliterating everything with one click
easy choice
>cooldown whack a mole gives it weight
its really easy to trick a blizzgay huh?
>muh cooldowns!
ADHD zoomers can't handle games that aren't %100 spam.
are you a grandpa? maybe you should play a turn based arpg
might as well play lost ark, it does what you described D4 does, but 10 times better
u are a comedy man jajaj
Cleaned up and updated edition.
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>HAHAHA X $S FOR THIS!?
Poorgays are prominent on Ganker because this U.S. image board is not region locked. $70~120 is a lot of money in European countries, Australia, and straight up isn't feasible for developing third world countries. It's human nature for the poor to envy the wealthy. Jealous and --
>GOYSLOP ILL JUST PLAY POE/EPOCH/D2/etc.
These games were probably on steady declines BEFORE Diablo 4's announcements. With the announcement and subsequent beta releases they have been spiralling. Why do poorgays NOT want you to play Diablo 4? Because it keeps there freemium/off brand products alive. Last Epoch has been dipping to sub 500 peak players and POE, even as a free sevice, has been struggling to maintain over 15k outside season launches. That's less than a typical WoW medium population server. The survival of their game depends on the failure of D4.
>*INSERT MISINFORMATION, BLATANTLY WRONG STATEMENT, ETC.*
The modus operandi of a shit poster is to pollute a thread with misinformation to repel people who may be interested in the game. In addition, they want to bait more and more responses to further shit up the thread ultimately occupying a post spot legitimately interested in discussing the game. Simply do not engage - it's a no win scenario. Your responses will be cherry-picked for key words and they will just continue the shitposting.
Save this for future threads - I know i will! Cheers and see you in Sanctuary
>he melted so hard he had to repost the pasta again