>>dude lets invalidate 90% of all of the items in the game just because a new one drops 2 minutes later
The ENTIRE concept of ARPGs is replacing everything you go with some new shiny shit every other second.
Its a shit mechanic from the start but item sets dont make it better.
the problem with item sets in d3 was that the set bonuses were literally 10000% increased damage to x ability
you were also given a full item set for doing barely anything at the start of the season
That sounds like ass. I like it when there's that 2/4 set bonus and when they give side effects more than just straight upgrades. Also I distinctly remember a weapon back in classic WoW that was formed by merging two other weapons. That kind of stuff is cool as shit.
>core feature of the franchise
Frick right off with the history revisionism. D1 never had set items. D2 set items were mostly bad. The likelihood of finding a level appropriate complete set is less than zero. D3 set items invalidated the rest of the item pool.
POE never added set items and the game was better for it.
Unironically only game that made good use of set items was WOW.
so you never played diablo 2 or 3. thanks for sharing. maybe you can explain to me why lod builds are the best in diablo 3 if set pieces invalidate the rest of the game?
Nobody cared about sets except Tal Rasha and Immortal kings, my dude. It was the biggest noob trap ever. Some set items are great but you'll never use more than 2-3 items from a good set since there are Uniques/Rares that utterly mog them.
Sets never mattered until 3 and they fricking suck because the entire game balance is designed around them. All you can do every fricking season is use whatever skills get bonuses from sets. It's objectively god awful design.
What kind of moronic post is this? Yes you do damage you fricking idiot, tanks and heals doesn't fricking exist this isn't a holy trinity MMO or game.
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Support builds DO exist in group play. Most notably zbarb whose job is using his hook and stomp skills to gather a big fat stack of monsters for your aoe dude to aoe
1 year ago
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Z builds are just dumb weird meme builds people come up with to try and cheese high greater rifts with a group. They're not real builds that people use. You can't run around solo with them.
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groups that run them are vastly more effective than groups of 4 "real" builds
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Yeah they're more effective cause the other 3 people are never in any danger cause you have 1 person doing no damage and spam CCing everything to cheese it. Like i said, not a real build you can't use them solo. There is a reason only solo greater rifts matter and give more blood capacity.
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Yes, there are meme builds like monk mantra set but those are still focused around dealing damage with the passive heals+resistance as a bonus.
>items being part of a collectable set = bad because D4 devs are incompetent and haven't put them in the game yet and when they do I'll go back to liking them
Everyone replying to you are litteral Blizzard PR shills, which is weird because this site is indirectly going to lead to Blizzard employees being strung up after civil war 2.
it didn't get implemented because their whole gear system revolves around extracting "legendary" powers and crafting them onto whatever you want, and they didn't want to turn D4 into more of the same D3 where sets invalidate 100% of all rares and 99% of all uniques.
D2 had a handful of good or interesting sets, one of which was the primary way to gear for leveling and another of which was MfSorc gear. IK was fine. Nats is ok. Diablo didn't even have them.
D3 is trash that I refused to ever play.
>having a screeching autistic meltdown because they opted not to put brainless set passives into the game that ruin itemization completely and frick up any sense of choice for the player >neverminded the fact that passives are not hard at all to program and take up no time at all, and are entirely a design choice not a time limitation on devving >calling others trannies
Set item dependency is the worst problem with d3.
Have you ever played the gam.. oh wait, let me check, you don't even play video games LMAO.
Frick off and kys lol
>postponed
In case english isn't your first language that means they will eventually be implemented but that blizzard are morons who can't be arsed to finish their $70 game.
>blizzard game
First of all there is no such thing as blizzard, second thing
it was made in Indie by some third party company >eventually implemented
Through some p2w mechanic few months after release, you know they need to hook them juicy whales first, give them some time.
This game will sell millions even though it doesn't deserve it, I hate this timeline
>that means they will eventually be implemented >but that blizzard are morons
yeah, i forgot a comma; my mistake, homosexual
also why do both you and the other reply think my post is praising blizzard? it's quite the opposite
youll need to buy them with the season 1 battle pass for ladder, only $19.99. thats just access to the content. you have to farm for hours and get the right rolls on them too. No refunds.
>playing Diablo 2 for the first time
I just lost all my money, 230 000 gold, on gambling in Act II. I wish I got a big dick in my ass, it would probably hurt less.
>no sets good for choice >look man its a choice to build a thorns crusader and not get past GR40 >look man just let me have fun
theres no choice in blizzard shit, unless you think "Bluntly overpowered vs barely functional" is a choice.
theyre just delaying it because >cash shop needed to be done >battle pass needed more dev prio >delay +40000% damage to X skill ruining the game and scaring people away like D3.
Nobody at Actiblizz cares to do a good job for the next few months because half of the workforce knew they are going to be fired as soon as the acquisition is done. Meanwhile, the executives are just trying to loot the company for whatever they can still get before MS takes their stock. They even let WoW go offline in China because the company operating the game there refused to pay the next several years of license fees up front.
i wonder if anyone would really care. blizzard's already gone, not like there's some sort of hope that if it sells poorly they'll make something good again
Of course it's going to sell because the market is basically empty and it has massive amounts of nostalgia to boost it. Doesn't mean it will actually be a good game. Because of the massive amount of people in the world big companies don't have to make good products anymore. There will always be enough people willing to buy anything advertised to make a product a success.
this reads like >we had sets ready at launch but we'll just sell it to you later as a battle pass/dlc/expansion etc.
and you are stupid enough to fall for it
I'd respect it if they just straight up said they're not doing set items in D4, considering how poorly implemented they were in D3. Sets heavily curtailed build diversity, and that's the opposite of what you want to be doing in an ARPG. Grim Dawn sidestepped this issue by just having a shitload of different sets with more generalized stats on them, so you can pretty much build for anything imaginable. In D3 they made a couple of your skills do far more damage than everything else, so you got pigeonholed.
Unless they take the Grim Dawn approach, it's just going to be bad for the game.
I played the beta it doesn't matter if sets are in. The unique items work as single item sets. Some builds pretty much require certain unique items so you will be running "sets" before they release the actual sets. If you think you are going to find some heckin' amazin' legos that synergize perfectly with you build you will be in for a rude awakening. Certain unique items are practically mandatory and especially considering the moronic obsession's they have with making respecing insanely expensive at high levels.
>moronic obsession's they have with making respecing insanely expensive at high levels.
holy shit that actually sounds great!
can't believe I'm kind of hyped for a blizzard game
kek, enjoy putting points into a specific branch only to never get legendaries that synergize with your skills and be stuck farming low end content for ages.
lmao, good luck with that mindset. Here's what is going to happen when the game launches. Either everyone is going to go with the same exact builds because it disparages you from experimenting or people will b***h until blizzard caves and lowers the cost of respec to near zero.
I wouldn't mind respect cost if it was just based on skills but on the beta build I played the costs extended to the paragon board and you wouldn't understand unless you played it but the board is fricking massive and synergizes with other boards based on your choice of glyphs and passives. So if you make one mistake or regret going down a path you have to practically start all over again and pay out the ass to reset the nodes.
I have been playing ARPGs and MMOs since the early 90s and I have never seen one good argument for having expensive respect cost.
ive been fricked over so much by games lately that show clear signs like this i think im gonna pass this and the battle pass are huge red flags not falling for this shit anymore
Get rid of them. They are objectively bad design and outright ruined D3. They had to come up with horrible subsystems of getting set bonuses as israeliteels or accessories or whatever because they understood that set bonuses are too stifling to build variety. Don't make sets. Please God. Or at least make only a few and have their effects be more generic and not "I want to use skill X. So I will use the armor set that gives skill X +100000 damage" like in D3.
You don't understand Blizzard literally doesn't know how to make games without FotM borrowed power set pieces. They have been doing this since 2007 and never stopped. It's part of the cancer that started in ranked WoW content which spread to all their games.
The reason it's delayed is they're having trouble balancing them. too weak, and nobody uses, too strong, and they're the only choice. If they can't solve it, they might not return at all.
Yeah the insane numbers used in D3 frick the entire system. The only way to gain power is multiplicative bonuses so you can actually kill bosses that have 180 quadrillion HP, which is why sets have to have +10000% dmg, otherwise you just don't do enough.
If they keep the numbers sane in D4 it won't be a problem, but this is Nu-Blizz so I won't hold my breath.
Imagine thinking diablo 4 aka diablo 3.5 the lost ark will be a good game
it's going to be another haha we sold 10m+ copies in a week and the game will be garbage and abandoned in a month
Item sets are not bad, the problem is that Blizzard is lazy and needs to give every single character an equivalent item set, so at the end everyone uses the item sets because they are the best, PoE uses "hidden-sets" smartly and that doesnt make those sets overpowered, just niche.
Perfect set usage:
2 Rings with middle of the pack offensive stats that give a QoL bonus, like auto-loot or Magic Find, still, if the player wants to get the BiS DPS he will need to ditch the set.
Blizzard set usage:
8 of the 12 slots are to the sets, the best bonus is at 8 parts, so you sacrifice all the character customization for the last bonus, that always change how the build plays giving QoL, DPS and HPS.
I don't think anyone thinks rune words were a good idea either.
What's wrong with sets? Never played D3 but I always liked the idea of matched equipment in D2 and WoW.
Have some boxart for your time.
The whole point of the game is choosing your items and big set with big four piece effects etc make that not interesting or fun. I don't mind sets where the big effect is for 2/4 or something and you have options though.
I'm not really a diablo guy, but aren't the item sets half the fun of these kinds of games? I did really get into Torchlight, and finding unique and legendary sets was really enjoyable, especially after I had my build.
So what it's going to drop just standard legendary randomized crap for now is the plan? Sorry for being uninformed, I like keeping up with Blizz's shenanigans. I want a Warcraft IV.
Yes and no. Sets can be fun but it also could be more fun with no sets.
The way diablo works is that there are hundreds of legendary items which all have special effects and bonuses, some of the bonuses interact with each other. Sets are an entire set of gear that gives you special bonuses based on how many pieces of the set you wear.
So yes sets are fun cause you get to play with cool builds and playstyles. But they can also be boring because you're just wearing 1 set of gear and you need all the pieces of the set for it to even be usable.
Having no sets can be more fun because instead of just getting 1 set of armor, you now can play with dozens of different legendaries all with different effects and experiment with different builds and different abilities, try out different combinations. It's also more lenient cause you can make viable builds with less pieces of gear.
They eventually made a system where you could take a set bonus and put it onto something else. They basically had to warp the entire game to fit in set bonuses because they designed the game around wearing 5 of a set to get +10000000000 damage
There is no thought to building when sets are there. The ones in Diablo 3 are LITERALLY just built around 1 or 2 skills. so if you use that skill you wear that set. No thought. Nothing. Just get the green items that match your skill and you don't care about anything else.
poe never had "sets" and it's been the reigning arpg champ for like 10 years now. i actually prefer the system of "build enabling" unique items and chase uniques being a thing, but most good gear is well-crafted rares.
Actually yes, PoE have item sets:
Mark of the Shaper
Mark of the Elder
All of the Aspect of Avian, Spider, Cat and Crab uniques
Any item one item gives a synergy when you equip a specific item can be considered a Item set, but GGG at least know how to balance them, its very niche use.
you can put elder and shaper influence on any rare, and those aren't even a "set" because they're not synergistic with each other. One is for spell damage and the other is for attack damage. same with first one aspect auras. you can find them on gear in delve, or craft them yourself by capturing the first ones and using their beastcraft recipes on rares. almost nobody uses any of those as "sets" with each other, except perhaps for a very niche saqawal's tornado build. there are plenty of syngergies in poe but no sets, and I think D4 is going to try something similar.
sets in D3 on the other hand offered such insanely ridiculous power levels with their 6 piece bonuses that you would never just wear 2-4 pieces of a set with "build enabling" uniques or rares in your other slots. the horadric cube also posed a problem in this regard, relegating most uniques to being cubed to buff a given ability enabled by the 6 piece sets.
Mark of the Shaper and Elder are such a fricking copout dude. They require ANY Shaper or Elder ring. It can be any kind. That is hardly a set when you don't even need any shaper/elder mods on the ring and it can just be a regular fricking rare with a different colored background.
The animal sets, yeah. That is much more closely related to a set bonus and I think they're so niche that barely anyone uses them except for a few, which is a good thing.
The thing that bothers me is they indicated in the video that some quantity of legendary perks are "deterministic". This was the problem with D3 you ALWAYS got your set and you HAD to use it or you are shit. I fricking hate that. itemization should be non linear and random this is fricking diablo. there should not even be crafting. chance and gambling the impetus for playing the game...
Item Sets are a real mixed bag. I mean, in a looter-scooter where 99% of all the drops are made by random number generator, it's nice to see SOME hand-made gear in the world.
But then they're all in a level range where you outlevel the shit before you ever collect a full set. having a full suit of Level 19 Newbie King gear is exclusively for twinking a new character, and even then they outlevel it quick...
plus the whole problem where people sperg over how the developer is now forcing certain playstyles by what bonuses Set Gear offers. Of course i'll never use "Blue PBAOE" if the Set Gear only improves "Red PBAOE" for example
tl;dr instead of Item Sets, Unique Artifacts without 'gotta collect 'em all!' should be implemented.
Sets can actually be fine if you design them well, there have been interesting expansions on the basic Diablo 2 implementation. >easier to understand and provides clear long-term itemization goals for low levels/casuals/newbies/etc. >best done when rares and uniques are as good or better or can replicate their exclusive mods >each set completion bonus should be useful, i.e. the final bonus shouldn't always be the reason you use it and it should be common that not getting full completion is optimal for some builds >provide more ways to influence set completion, such as having more set items available than there are completion bonuses, set items that occupy the same equipment slot, powerful mods that provide set completion without being from the set, etc. >don't lock all the affixes, i.e. the unique mods take up affix slots but the rest of the slots are still randomized/craftable
Chronicon, Grim Dawn, Nioh 2, Diablo 2 showcase some of these-- some can be applied to uniques/legendaries too.
>13 fps >big gold damage numbers everywhere >YOU WIN!!! >A giant heros of the storm loot chest blasts out of the ground and barfs candy all over the floor
Frick.
Frick.
FRICK
FRICK
I HATE IT
It looks fricking shit.
Frick.
Blizzard is either incompetent or they hate their fans. Every time these fat pink haired losers mention D2 when trying to sell me this garbage my stomach churns in disgust. It's just Diablo 3 - elsewhere.
That's based. It will help stabilize the economy.
t. bootsloppers
It's a core feature of the franchise that didn't get finished in time because they prioritized the cash shop and battle pass.
>dude lets invalidate 90% of all of the items in the game just because the green ones gives you a broken ass effect on top of everything
Yeah no bro
Full moron. Item sets won't be in AT LAUNCH. They are coming.
>>dude lets invalidate 90% of all of the items in the game just because a new one drops 2 minutes later
The ENTIRE concept of ARPGs is replacing everything you go with some new shiny shit every other second.
Its a shit mechanic from the start but item sets dont make it better.
It sure as shit wasn't until D3. You could count the good sets in D2 with one finger, MAYBE 2 if you're willing to gimp yourself with Immortal Kings.
Let's be honest, though. Runewords did that in D2
What's wrong with sets? Never played D3 but I always liked the idea of matched equipment in D2 and WoW.
Have some boxart for your time.
the problem with item sets in d3 was that the set bonuses were literally 10000% increased damage to x ability
you were also given a full item set for doing barely anything at the start of the season
That sounds like ass. I like it when there's that 2/4 set bonus and when they give side effects more than just straight upgrades. Also I distinctly remember a weapon back in classic WoW that was formed by merging two other weapons. That kind of stuff is cool as shit.
>core feature of the franchise
Frick right off with the history revisionism. D1 never had set items. D2 set items were mostly bad. The likelihood of finding a level appropriate complete set is less than zero. D3 set items invalidated the rest of the item pool.
POE never added set items and the game was better for it.
Unironically only game that made good use of set items was WOW.
so you never played diablo 2 or 3. thanks for sharing. maybe you can explain to me why lod builds are the best in diablo 3 if set pieces invalidate the rest of the game?
Nobody cared about sets except Tal Rasha and Immortal kings, my dude. It was the biggest noob trap ever. Some set items are great but you'll never use more than 2-3 items from a good set since there are Uniques/Rares that utterly mog them.
Hey now, Sigons is good too.
>Unironically only game that made good use of set items was WOW.
HAHAHAHA
How difficult can it be to craft item sets for 6 classes?
Sets never mattered until 3 and they fricking suck because the entire game balance is designed around them. All you can do every fricking season is use whatever skills get bonuses from sets. It's objectively god awful design.
Legacy of Dreams fixed that and D3 has a great many builds
>D3 has a great many builds
Ah yes, the DPS build, and the DPS build, and the DPS build and the DPS build...
this might shock you but the game is about killing monsters with, yes, damage
Do you reckon you'll go a damage build or a defense build in D4?
yeah
What kind of moronic post is this? Yes you do damage you fricking idiot, tanks and heals doesn't fricking exist this isn't a holy trinity MMO or game.
Support builds DO exist in group play. Most notably zbarb whose job is using his hook and stomp skills to gather a big fat stack of monsters for your aoe dude to aoe
Z builds are just dumb weird meme builds people come up with to try and cheese high greater rifts with a group. They're not real builds that people use. You can't run around solo with them.
groups that run them are vastly more effective than groups of 4 "real" builds
Yeah they're more effective cause the other 3 people are never in any danger cause you have 1 person doing no damage and spam CCing everything to cheese it. Like i said, not a real build you can't use them solo. There is a reason only solo greater rifts matter and give more blood capacity.
Yes, there are meme builds like monk mantra set but those are still focused around dealing damage with the passive heals+resistance as a bonus.
Barbian does have a support build it uses with other players in group play. Namely, using it's chains to pull in groups of enemies and aoe stun them.
Are you moronic? It's a fricking ARPG that's practically all you do? It's not some kpop MMO like the steaming pile of shit Lost Ark.
sets were, are and will always be bad, no matter what game you're playing
cope now, moron
>items being part of a collectable set = bad because D4 devs are incompetent and haven't put them in the game yet and when they do I'll go back to liking them
Everyone replying to you are litteral Blizzard PR shills, which is weird because this site is indirectly going to lead to Blizzard employees being strung up after civil war 2.
it didn't get implemented because their whole gear system revolves around extracting "legendary" powers and crafting them onto whatever you want, and they didn't want to turn D4 into more of the same D3 where sets invalidate 100% of all rares and 99% of all uniques.
>didn't get finished in time
>because they prioritized the cash shop and battle pass
How can a human be THIS fricking stupid
D2 had a handful of good or interesting sets, one of which was the primary way to gear for leveling and another of which was MfSorc gear. IK was fine. Nats is ok. Diablo didn't even have them.
D3 is trash that I refused to ever play.
you troonys deserve modern blizzard "games"
>having a screeching autistic meltdown because they opted not to put brainless set passives into the game that ruin itemization completely and frick up any sense of choice for the player
>neverminded the fact that passives are not hard at all to program and take up no time at all, and are entirely a design choice not a time limitation on devving
>calling others trannies
blow your brains out
AGAIN
YOU ABSOLUTE GIGA Black person
SETS AREN'T IN
AT
LAUNCH
THEY ARE FRICKING COMING
THEY ARE JUST NOT IN YET BECAUSE THE CASH SHOP WAS OF A HIGHER PRIORITY
SETS ARE COMING
FRICKING END YOURSELF
KEEP
SEETHING
moron
ywnbaw and the only people blowing their brains out are modern blizzard fans. aka, troonys.
Blizzdrones right on schedule to suck corporate wiener.
Set item dependency is the worst problem with d3.
Have you ever played the gam.. oh wait, let me check, you don't even play video games LMAO.
Frick off and kys lol
>Set item dependency is the worst problem with d3.
Oh ok so D4 sets have to be the same because....?
>Oh ok so D4 sets have to be the same because....?
Who are you talking to?
>postponed
In case english isn't your first language that means they will eventually be implemented but that blizzard are morons who can't be arsed to finish their $70 game.
>blizzard game
First of all there is no such thing as blizzard, second thing
it was made in Indie by some third party company
>eventually implemented
Through some p2w mechanic few months after release, you know they need to hook them juicy whales first, give them some time.
This game will sell millions even though it doesn't deserve it, I hate this timeline
>implemented but that blizzard
Good morning, sir!
>that means they will eventually be implemented
>but that blizzard are morons
yeah, i forgot a comma; my mistake, homosexual
also why do both you and the other reply think my post is praising blizzard? it's quite the opposite
wtf
What economy?
item sets are bad though
That is a good thing though
I dont see the issue here
>battle pass
who cares about this skinnerbox treadmill?
>At launch
I knew this game was just gonna be D3.5.
Enjoy your shitty itemization and 100000% dmg increase items.
youll need to buy them with the season 1 battle pass for ladder, only $19.99. thats just access to the content. you have to farm for hours and get the right rolls on them too. No refunds.
That's a good thing, you drooling fricking moron.
>no sets at all
good
>postponed just to be released later
yeah that's gonna be a disaster
i dont even know what this means
remember when blizzard just made games
Diablo 1 didn't have sets at all.
are they bringing the rmah back for this game? please say yes
>Buy Diablo III at launch
>Boycott all Blizzard products for the rest of my life
it really is that simple
>playing Diablo 2 for the first time
I just lost all my money, 230 000 gold, on gambling in Act II. I wish I got a big dick in my ass, it would probably hurt less.
You should probably refrain from gambling for real.
Fun fact, I do not gamble irl. But yes, you are right.
>no sets good for choice
>look man its a choice to build a thorns crusader and not get past GR40
>look man just let me have fun
theres no choice in blizzard shit, unless you think "Bluntly overpowered vs barely functional" is a choice.
theyre just delaying it because
>cash shop needed to be done
>battle pass needed more dev prio
>delay +40000% damage to X skill ruining the game and scaring people away like D3.
why the frick is this even delayed, how complicated to implement could it be?
small indie company etc
Nobody at Actiblizz cares to do a good job for the next few months because half of the workforce knew they are going to be fired as soon as the acquisition is done. Meanwhile, the executives are just trying to loot the company for whatever they can still get before MS takes their stock. They even let WoW go offline in China because the company operating the game there refused to pay the next several years of license fees up front.
Have you seen the actual troony leading the dev team?
So when it sells gangbusters and dabs on GGG how hard will Ganker shit the bed in fury?
You mean like Warcraft 3 Remastered, Overwatch 2 and Diablo Immortal? 🙂
Yep. I'm glad Blizzard lives rent free.
i wonder if anyone would really care. blizzard's already gone, not like there's some sort of hope that if it sells poorly they'll make something good again
Of course it's going to sell because the market is basically empty and it has massive amounts of nostalgia to boost it. Doesn't mean it will actually be a good game. Because of the massive amount of people in the world big companies don't have to make good products anymore. There will always be enough people willing to buy anything advertised to make a product a success.
Blizzard doesn't make good games anymore and they haven't for a long time.
Legacy of Dreams works just fine. why dont they just put that into diablo 3.75?
straight outta some random wow addon
They need to drop sets and steal poe unique items design philosophy. Farming same shit but with green arrows up is boring
don't care because i'm just not buying or playing it (the game)
this reads like
>we had sets ready at launch but we'll just sell it to you later as a battle pass/dlc/expansion etc.
and you are stupid enough to fall for it
Scary how there are still people mentally ill enough to consume blizzard garbage
I'd respect it if they just straight up said they're not doing set items in D4, considering how poorly implemented they were in D3. Sets heavily curtailed build diversity, and that's the opposite of what you want to be doing in an ARPG. Grim Dawn sidestepped this issue by just having a shitload of different sets with more generalized stats on them, so you can pretty much build for anything imaginable. In D3 they made a couple of your skills do far more damage than everything else, so you got pigeonholed.
Unless they take the Grim Dawn approach, it's just going to be bad for the game.
I played the beta it doesn't matter if sets are in. The unique items work as single item sets. Some builds pretty much require certain unique items so you will be running "sets" before they release the actual sets. If you think you are going to find some heckin' amazin' legos that synergize perfectly with you build you will be in for a rude awakening. Certain unique items are practically mandatory and especially considering the moronic obsession's they have with making respecing insanely expensive at high levels.
>moronic obsession's they have with making respecing insanely expensive at high levels.
holy shit that actually sounds great!
can't believe I'm kind of hyped for a blizzard game
kek, enjoy putting points into a specific branch only to never get legendaries that synergize with your skills and be stuck farming low end content for ages.
sorry I'm not a shitter and I know how to play video games so that won't be a problem
lmao, good luck with that mindset. Here's what is going to happen when the game launches. Either everyone is going to go with the same exact builds because it disparages you from experimenting or people will b***h until blizzard caves and lowers the cost of respec to near zero.
I wouldn't mind respect cost if it was just based on skills but on the beta build I played the costs extended to the paragon board and you wouldn't understand unless you played it but the board is fricking massive and synergizes with other boards based on your choice of glyphs and passives. So if you make one mistake or regret going down a path you have to practically start all over again and pay out the ass to reset the nodes.
I have been playing ARPGs and MMOs since the early 90s and I have never seen one good argument for having expensive respect cost.
this isn't the gotcha you think it is moron OP.
this is excellent news. Item sets fricking suck donkey dick
what the frick
then what am I supposed to spend my thousands of dollars on
blizzard cannot make a good game anymore.
op proves he's a moron in record time
ive been fricked over so much by games lately that show clear signs like this i think im gonna pass this and the battle pass are huge red flags not falling for this shit anymore
Good, items sets pigeon hole you into the same bullshit builds. I hope they never come.
Who's forcing you to use set items?
yeah, no items sets is definitely why its gonna be a disaster lmfao
great, hopefully they'll cancel them altogether
>there are no good ARPGs coming out
feels bad
KFChads, we won...
lol imagine the clerk explaining you've got access to the diablo 4 beta to some blacks in KFC
it's why it'll be digital orders only
Hello I'm going to buy Diablo IV that is all
i don't think there's a single full set worth a shit besides tal rasha in d2, except very early game
you're mostly using bits and pieces which just could have been uniques anyways
The worst part of that headline is "at launch"
Get rid of them. They are objectively bad design and outright ruined D3. They had to come up with horrible subsystems of getting set bonuses as israeliteels or accessories or whatever because they understood that set bonuses are too stifling to build variety. Don't make sets. Please God. Or at least make only a few and have their effects be more generic and not "I want to use skill X. So I will use the armor set that gives skill X +100000 damage" like in D3.
You don't understand Blizzard literally doesn't know how to make games without FotM borrowed power set pieces. They have been doing this since 2007 and never stopped. It's part of the cancer that started in ranked WoW content which spread to all their games.
You're an actual genuine moron
Frick off Ion, this isn't elitistjerks. You can't ban me anymore.
The reason it's delayed is they're having trouble balancing them. too weak, and nobody uses, too strong, and they're the only choice. If they can't solve it, they might not return at all.
i mean, having a set for a skill in particular is great on paper, but +10k% damage is just boring.
Grim dawn has more interesting effect on rares
Blizzard only knows how to make +100000000 damage and the sat part is that those are pretty much the actual damage numbers
Yeah the insane numbers used in D3 frick the entire system. The only way to gain power is multiplicative bonuses so you can actually kill bosses that have 180 quadrillion HP, which is why sets have to have +10000% dmg, otherwise you just don't do enough.
If they keep the numbers sane in D4 it won't be a problem, but this is Nu-Blizz so I won't hold my breath.
Imagine thinking diablo 4 aka diablo 3.5 the lost ark will be a good game
it's going to be another haha we sold 10m+ copies in a week and the game will be garbage and abandoned in a month
sets genuinely sucks so that's good
Item sets are not bad, the problem is that Blizzard is lazy and needs to give every single character an equivalent item set, so at the end everyone uses the item sets because they are the best, PoE uses "hidden-sets" smartly and that doesnt make those sets overpowered, just niche.
Perfect set usage:
2 Rings with middle of the pack offensive stats that give a QoL bonus, like auto-loot or Magic Find, still, if the player wants to get the BiS DPS he will need to ditch the set.
Blizzard set usage:
8 of the 12 slots are to the sets, the best bonus is at 8 parts, so you sacrifice all the character customization for the last bonus, that always change how the build plays giving QoL, DPS and HPS.
>I-item sets ruin player choice
>Meanwhile rune words in D2
I don't think anyone thinks rune words were a good idea either.
The whole point of the game is choosing your items and big set with big four piece effects etc make that not interesting or fun. I don't mind sets where the big effect is for 2/4 or something and you have options though.
Blizzard fricking sucks. I'm so sick of live service games with battle passes. Glad I discovered Grim Dawn otherwise I might've bought this trash.
> no trading
yikes
I'm not really a diablo guy, but aren't the item sets half the fun of these kinds of games? I did really get into Torchlight, and finding unique and legendary sets was really enjoyable, especially after I had my build.
So what it's going to drop just standard legendary randomized crap for now is the plan? Sorry for being uninformed, I like keeping up with Blizz's shenanigans. I want a Warcraft IV.
Yes and no. Sets can be fun but it also could be more fun with no sets.
The way diablo works is that there are hundreds of legendary items which all have special effects and bonuses, some of the bonuses interact with each other. Sets are an entire set of gear that gives you special bonuses based on how many pieces of the set you wear.
So yes sets are fun cause you get to play with cool builds and playstyles. But they can also be boring because you're just wearing 1 set of gear and you need all the pieces of the set for it to even be usable.
Having no sets can be more fun because instead of just getting 1 set of armor, you now can play with dozens of different legendaries all with different effects and experiment with different builds and different abilities, try out different combinations. It's also more lenient cause you can make viable builds with less pieces of gear.
They should have just allowed you to put legendary effects onto set gear at high cost
They eventually made a system where you could take a set bonus and put it onto something else. They basically had to warp the entire game to fit in set bonuses because they designed the game around wearing 5 of a set to get +10000000000 damage
There is no thought to building when sets are there. The ones in Diablo 3 are LITERALLY just built around 1 or 2 skills. so if you use that skill you wear that set. No thought. Nothing. Just get the green items that match your skill and you don't care about anything else.
poe never had "sets" and it's been the reigning arpg champ for like 10 years now. i actually prefer the system of "build enabling" unique items and chase uniques being a thing, but most good gear is well-crafted rares.
Actually yes, PoE have item sets:
Mark of the Shaper
Mark of the Elder
All of the Aspect of Avian, Spider, Cat and Crab uniques
Any item one item gives a synergy when you equip a specific item can be considered a Item set, but GGG at least know how to balance them, its very niche use.
you can put elder and shaper influence on any rare, and those aren't even a "set" because they're not synergistic with each other. One is for spell damage and the other is for attack damage. same with first one aspect auras. you can find them on gear in delve, or craft them yourself by capturing the first ones and using their beastcraft recipes on rares. almost nobody uses any of those as "sets" with each other, except perhaps for a very niche saqawal's tornado build. there are plenty of syngergies in poe but no sets, and I think D4 is going to try something similar.
sets in D3 on the other hand offered such insanely ridiculous power levels with their 6 piece bonuses that you would never just wear 2-4 pieces of a set with "build enabling" uniques or rares in your other slots. the horadric cube also posed a problem in this regard, relegating most uniques to being cubed to buff a given ability enabled by the 6 piece sets.
Mark of the Shaper and Elder are such a fricking copout dude. They require ANY Shaper or Elder ring. It can be any kind. That is hardly a set when you don't even need any shaper/elder mods on the ring and it can just be a regular fricking rare with a different colored background.
The animal sets, yeah. That is much more closely related to a set bonus and I think they're so niche that barely anyone uses them except for a few, which is a good thing.
Don't worry they'll add sets in loot boxes when they turn diablo 4 into full p2w gacha bullshit
The thing that bothers me is they indicated in the video that some quantity of legendary perks are "deterministic". This was the problem with D3 you ALWAYS got your set and you HAD to use it or you are shit. I fricking hate that. itemization should be non linear and random this is fricking diablo. there should not even be crafting. chance and gambling the impetus for playing the game...
but don't worry, the microtransactions will be there at launch!
This is neither a good or bad thing, Diablo has always had garbage itemization because Blizzard cannot balance any game they make.
Item Sets are a real mixed bag. I mean, in a looter-scooter where 99% of all the drops are made by random number generator, it's nice to see SOME hand-made gear in the world.
But then they're all in a level range where you outlevel the shit before you ever collect a full set. having a full suit of Level 19 Newbie King gear is exclusively for twinking a new character, and even then they outlevel it quick...
plus the whole problem where people sperg over how the developer is now forcing certain playstyles by what bonuses Set Gear offers. Of course i'll never use "Blue PBAOE" if the Set Gear only improves "Red PBAOE" for example
tl;dr instead of Item Sets, Unique Artifacts without 'gotta collect 'em all!' should be implemented.
Sets can actually be fine if you design them well, there have been interesting expansions on the basic Diablo 2 implementation.
>easier to understand and provides clear long-term itemization goals for low levels/casuals/newbies/etc.
>best done when rares and uniques are as good or better or can replicate their exclusive mods
>each set completion bonus should be useful, i.e. the final bonus shouldn't always be the reason you use it and it should be common that not getting full completion is optimal for some builds
>provide more ways to influence set completion, such as having more set items available than there are completion bonuses, set items that occupy the same equipment slot, powerful mods that provide set completion without being from the set, etc.
>don't lock all the affixes, i.e. the unique mods take up affix slots but the rest of the slots are still randomized/craftable
Chronicon, Grim Dawn, Nioh 2, Diablo 2 showcase some of these-- some can be applied to uniques/legendaries too.
Diablos 3 was shit
Blizzard is shit
theres no hope for this game to be fun
>still buying Blizzard games.
Get a load of you homosexuals.
>13 fps
>big gold damage numbers everywhere
>YOU WIN!!!
>A giant heros of the storm loot chest blasts out of the ground and barfs candy all over the floor
Frick.
Frick.
FRICK
FRICK
I HATE IT
It looks fricking shit.
Frick.
Blizzard is either incompetent or they hate their fans. Every time these fat pink haired losers mention D2 when trying to sell me this garbage my stomach churns in disgust. It's just Diablo 3 - elsewhere.
Frick this planet.
My guess is that they're not doing sets, they're copying a superior game and having their own equivalent of PoE's unique items.
No one tell him.
They heavily censored Diablo 2 remake. I am never giving these animals money for anything.