Oh boy, finally I can try out this new piece of gear! Let's run a quick dungeon
>clip clop clip clip clip clop
Any second now...
>clip clop clip clip clip clop
Wow, the suspense makes it even better! Can't wait to get there!
>clip clop clip clip clip clop
In just a minute I'll be playing the game...
>clip clop clip clip clip clop
Finally! Time to kill some demons!
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Oh yeah, there's level scaling so I can't tell the difference
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lmfao blizzard is so fricking moronic
now you can continue to build that legend through further gameplay and downloadable content!
good old mass effect 3
This game is so fricking short and has 0 replayability. The dungeons are all tiny
why did you rush the fricking story? the game might not be great but if you're actually doing everything there is, it takes a while before even getting to act 2
because the side quests are even more boring than mmo fetch quests
because it's fricking diablo, you dipshit
because you gotta rush the story to get a frickin mount to not take forever to do the side stuff
why the frick are stables brought up at the start of the game when you dont get a mount until completing act 4
jesus frick
You play like an old man.
Old men rush through diablo. Young men are trying to figure out where the diablo cinematic experience is.
Have fun being stuck @ 50, only 1/8th through the campaign and being unable to go into wt3 until you finish the campaign getting 1% of xp 1 shotting the same level mobs youve been 1 shouting since 40 and never upgrading your gear until you get into wt3
You never played the game
Level scaling has got to be the most moronic thing ever.
I’m sure it makes it a lot easier to balance a game, sure, but it kills fun.
>level up
>get weaker
That's been Blizzard's design for a while now
>start new character in wow
>kill enemy with 2 lightning bolts
>fast forward 20 levels
>need to do 2 entire rotations of 6 abilities each to kill an enemy
Blizzard has always done this crap. The only class that har any feeling of power increase was warrior because it started as an auto-attacker and eventually got abilities, even if the ttk increased like every other class.
But you could always go back to that zone and smash those mobs, maybe even decimate an entire clan of gnolls that killed you earlier and take their chest. You could see your character getting stronger.
When's the last time you played wow? WOTLK? Enemies have been powerscaling to you for the last 5 expansions.
it's far worse than just lvl scaling since bfa because now it's not just level scaling it also scales to your gear level
most of the original zones and early expac zones are capped at 30 so you can definitely go back and smash those mobs and most dungeons and raids solo.
don't you get capped to whatever the zone level cap is?
no. the vast majority of the old zones, from classic right up to the last expac or two, are capped at either 30 or 45 and you can run around one shotting hordes of mobs with no problem what so ever. and shadowlands and bfa zones are capped at 60.
You can solo like everything, even some of BFA raids which they haven't nerfed for single player yet. I was able to get to the 2nd to last boss in Battle for Dazar'alor solo. It was actually pretty fun because Opulence was actually a fun DPS/mechanics check because normally you had to split the raid in 2 to get buffs, but now you can just run straight to the boss and try and kill him before it gets too hard. Then the boss after that you have to find a way to split them up because they take 99% reduced damage when together. Makes me wish they would remake old raid bosses to be like Mage Tower bosses, honestly. They could reuse assets so it wouldn't be as much work.
>but now you can just run straight to the boss and try and kill him before it gets too hard.
No you can't.
He takes 99.9% reduced dmg.
I went there week 5 of DF with a heroic geared group and we couldn't just kill him.
So either they changed him since or you're full of shit.
Not the anon you were replying to by the way.
I did it when DF came out to get the bow transmog from the boss after him, but okay. He never took reduced damage, he just had a ton of HP.
Can't do the 2 raids before that either; first one you die instantly on the boss you jump down to and the other 2 boss raid the first boss needs 2 enemies kept apart.
That's not exactly true with modern WoW thanks to Chromie time which will be enabled from 1-60 to scale everything (unless you change Chromie time to a different expansion)
All chromie-times are the same instance, just with different quest triggers on initialization.
scaling is a good, lets people try 3 different areas in any order to progress the campaign. The druid class ability stronghold event was scaled to be +2 levels higher than what i currently am and it was a more fun encounter than if it were something I could out level.
You didn't explain what makes it good at all and you sound like a frickin idiot
> game gets harder the more you progress
> WTF NOOOOO
Shut up moron, I don't wanna press one attack for 100 hours
What the frick would be the point in giving you more abilities if you never need to use them?
exactly, what is the point of abilities in the frist place when all they do is do damage but with a different particle effect?
Yea I played the beta and HATED that I was getting weaker as I leveled up
>level up
>enemies get so weak you can't level up again, without being forced to travel to the next area
Diablo 3's original design was poor
You get an experience penalty for being outside 5 levels difference from enemies in Diablo 2.
Imagine wanting to play a game that gives you negative XP
Diablo 2 doesn't even show you what level the monsters are.
good
yes. it's called challenge.
i agree its super challenging to try and not quit the game the longer i play.
>it's called challenge.
to see if the support will ban you from contacting them before they accept your refund request or not?
why have the game pretend you're getting stronger then
they could be honest and show your true stats going down
>play barb
>wreck shit
>don’t understand this complaint
Autolevel was a terrible mistake
Honestly I'm having the opposite issue in Elden Ring, I'm afraid of exploring and leveling too much (yes I can just not level but that's like a chastity cage) because then some content becomes piss easy and I'd like to have the intended challenge.
But at the same time I never had fun in a game with level scaling.
Your strength is more tied in with your weapon upgrade level than your raw stats and unless you know exactly where to hunt for upgrades you won't outpace the areas. If you're still crippled by indecision, go for more health/stamina
>gear based game
>why can't I solo end content with starting gear????????
>gear based game
>Grind for the whole game until lvl 100
>Can't even solo the starting contents because they are all level 100 too.
SASUGA SHITZZARD SAMA.
This is why I stopped playing Guild Wars 2 and Oblivion. Level scaling is just the most moronic mechanic ever conceived outside of h game lose states giving CG's instead of win states.
No reason to stop playing Oblivion because of level scaling. There are mods to completely change the leveling experience to fit what you want.
No reason to play oblivion at all in part due to level scaling. But oblivion is not a loot grind game
Your post makes no sense. I understand if you don't wanna bother but it's within your power to change the mechanic that is blue balling you.
It’s literally the same thing as item level and difficulty increases, which is like 98% of games
If the difficulty is static you can compensate by playing better or you can level to beat difficult parts.
If everything always just scales to you, there's never a challenge except for when the devs want you to fight a strong enemy instead of a weak enemy.
It's a developer cop-out
I'm not sure what you were expecting, it's modern Blizzard
I like the scaling. It makes side bosses and strongholds you missed in earlier areas less mind numbing, lets you maintain XP gain while doing them and also gives you good feedback on whether your build and items are dogshit. You should be steamrolling enemies at the same level as you comparatively if your build is maintained
Scaling eliminates any sense of progression.
No it doesn't - the progress happens on your gear/character not on the fact that "oh now i can 1 shot mobs in this area". Why even have mobs there then ? So moronic
>level scaling in an ARPG
the whole point in these games is to just become so overpowered that you trivialize content
wtf is wrong with them
they want to remove the gameplay as the exciting part so you get excited by cosmetics and random crap instead
and once they got you hooked into going for cosmetic items it's just easier to sell you the best looking ones that can only be acquired by paying real money
same reason why the wow store mounts have much more complex animations and just look higher quality compared to the mounts in-game that just get reused all the time with different tints
>reach lvl 70
>have everything I need for my build
>the end game content is fricking horrid and the nightmare dungeons are worse than greater rifts from d3
what the frick is this games endgame? there is none
man comparing the d4 endgame to d3 is sad.
then comparing both to poe is a joke in how little content they have.
If you're talking about "endgame" then your game is shit, period. D2 is good because you just play the game.
In d2 loot actually had value, so you could excuse the lack of endgame activities and just spam mephisto for 10k times
You're misunderstanding my point. When you play Diablo 2, you work your way through the game to killing Hell Baal and then the game is over. The journey to killing Hell Baal is what's fun and that's why starting new characters over and over is fun. That's WHY loot and map layouts are randomised. It keeps the journey to killing Hell Baal varied and fun. When you start talking about "end game" it's an acknowledgement that the ACTUAL GAME isn't fun. That's why Diablo 3 and 4 are shit.
holy frick that's the worst opinion i have ever seen
>t. Pindlebot for 100 hours then I can play the game
i played d2 for a few hours then dropped it because its a snoozefest
yeah that makes sense. The game has an incredibly well designed power progression, which means you start out fairly slow and weak. Unfortunately most zoomers have completely fried dopamine receptors, which is why aRPGs need to have you start out as a destroyer of worlds at lvl 1 so the cookie clicker experience is there right from the start, without bothering the player with such outdated concepts like resource management, difficulty and progression.
poe starts you out weak as shit
it just doesn't take 30 hours to get to the point of fun
neither does D2. 30 hours is around what it takes for a new player doing a solo selffound playthrough of the game for the first time to beat the entire game starting from act 1 normal to hell act 5. You can already get quite powerful by act 4-5 normal, so 5-10 hours into the game. And it's not like those first 10 or so hours are actually unpleasant to play, you just have bad taste in video games. I actually really love early game Diablo 1 and 2 because you can actually die if you don't play carefully.
>It keeps the journey to killing Hell Baal varied and fun
The thrill I get when the worldstone keep waypoint is on the left instead of the right is indeed right up there with sex
>play through the same fricking game three times straight
no. getting rid of normal/nightmare/hell is the best thing the series ever did and i'm tired to pretending otherwise.
It's shit, which is why the games that did it are shit. Although part of the problem is that Diablo 3's skill/rune unlock gating by level is also dogshit.
Maybe if you played solo self found or something. Prior to 1.10 ruining the game, trading, magic finding and pvp was the end game in D2.
Diablo 2 isn't fun either. I played one character to Hell Baal and never again. Once was enough going through that chore of a game.
Bullshit you get to Baal and then just have a bot run you over and over for exp.
The Endgame was the ubers.
D2 was good because of the extensive mods that were available.
D3 didn't have them and sucked and this game sucks even harder.
You're the only poster ITT who is right. I hope everyone else chokes in their sleep, even me.
poe "endgame" is the game
> If you buy map stashes in PoE..
No.
you Black folk complaining about level scaling either have moron frick builds or dont know how to gear your character. theres alot of things wrong with the game but the level scaling cope is the most brain dead go to talking point sub 50 iq idiot homosexual Black folk latch onto to feel like theyre contributing to the conversation
what's there to know about gearing your character? It's all +X% to damage under Y circumstance
Your level is a cosmetic
or maybe level scaling is an incredibly cheap and easy way to go about game design? Nobody complains about the difficulty you stupid fricking Black person shill
>HOW DARE THIS GAME HAVE A LOT MORE CONTENT AFTER THE MAIN BOSS IS DEAD.
>IT SHOULD END LIKE MY GOYSLOP CINEMATIC GAMES
the level curve SHOULD be structured so you're max level or very close by the time you beat the final boss, not give a laundry list of shitty side quests to actually get to endgame
>more content
anon?
>A LOT MORE CONTENT AFTER THE MAIN BOSS IS DEAD.
is the content in the room with us right now? I fricking hope so you can point it out
can i get a QRD on the story?
You're a pawn of Mephisto fighting the YAS QUEEN SLAY Lilith who is the good guy.
>fighting the YAS QUEEN SLAY Lilith who is the good guy.
Lilith was always the good guy.
Even in the old books she just wanted to stop fighting the war between autistic angels and schizo demons.
Lilith is around, nothing happens
The Lilith you are looking for is in another Castle. x5
So far, a demon is traveling the country trying to open a door to hell, and because of a forced pact made with said demon your character is forced to stop her with the help of the corrupt local government, an order of ineffectual sages and absentee god figure who's only out for his own self intrests.
The open world aspect of the game hurts the story telling, because demon attacks seem to be a regular occurrence and all the npc's aren't bothered by anything but the main demon and random sidequest bosses. But are not bothered by the 1000's demons outside city gates.
Demonlady gets mad that the world sucks and her fallen angel husbando murdered their child in an attempt to get back into Heaven and the world that she created with him is treated like shit, so instead of rallying humanity (who are her literal children) in a sane way, she sends a blood cult out into the world to kill people and summon demons at random.
She baits her angel husbando into following her into Hell, mindbreaks him about never getting back into heaven no matter what he does, and then kills him for killing their son, Rathma.
Meanwhile the player character is being used as a puppet by fricking Mephisto (because Lilith's Big PlanTM involves killing Mephisto and taking his power for herself), know's they're being used by Mephisto, and still goes along with everything for some reason.
TLDR everyone's moronic and the main character is by far the biggest moron of the bunch. Allying with a greater evil to kill a lesser evil and then unleashing that greater evil into the world for shits and giggles was not the play.
its the doom guy logic, saving the bigger bad guy last to destroy him completely. Also the plan wasn't to unleash him but to store him in a stone, and then he was supposed to meet up with neyrelle later to figure something out but she ran away.
>Also the plan
hmm
>wasn't to unleash him
hmm
>but to store him in a stone
that worked well in D1, D2, and D3
they decided it was better to take mephisto away in a stone and not let lilith consume him. At the very least there won't be a sanctuary ruled by a tyrant in the near term. Mephisto just straight up tells the wanderer that its guaranteed tyranny if Lilith wins, but you have to take your chances with him as a final boss if you take the other path.
I don't get why we let neyrelle decide who to trap in the soulstone. Also why go through the effort to make a soulstone if you can just beat lilith up so bad she turns into dust?
neyrelle is the writer's oc. google the lead writer. 30+ year old childless she/her twitter catlady. no im not joking
neyrelle is the main character
thats worse than I expected. literally cooking water, just like dragoylight: retcon in a problem, owait it was like this all along
She is a demon so her being too chaotic stupid to do the sane thing makes sense.
I dont read Blizzard lore books after 2012.
christianity bad demons good
Lilith is exclusively israeli fanfiction though, Christians always rejected texts mentioning her and they aren't biblical.
>full price++ game
>with a paid battlepass
>and paid shop currency
>and a quarter-finished main campaign that clearly is only made to force paid expansions every couple of months
What, could they not fit a fricking subscription fee and daily log-in bonus chart in there?
>daily log-in bonus chart
oh that's absolutely coming with Season 1, don't you worry
>daily log-in bonus chart
there is already a weekly FOMO stuff
I suppose daily is only really a matter of time for this to be a full mobile game
If there's just level scaling I don't see the problem, it's just that every area is like an endgame area now.
If enemies somehow scale with your gear, that would be an actual problem.
Why is everyone acting like level scaling scales off your gear and not your... level?
why have levels at all, then?
>don't upgrade gear
>get weaker
>upgrade gear
>stay at same strength
its shit
gear
>>stay at same strength
But that's not what happens because level scaling scales with your level not your gear. Get to max level and no more scaling. Do you complain about leveling in every other game? if so then you're valid
Yes. It's bad design.
>Do you complain about leveling in every other game?
>Other Game
>You level up
>Monsters are easier to fight
>You can feel your character's growth
No, fricking FF8 doesn't counts
Because that moronic game use level scaling as well. Which should tells you why it's bad.
Then get to max level and stop complaining that the leveling experience has monsters that go up with your level
so essentially leveling is a gigantic waste of time and the only reward for it is that you get to stop doing it
Yeh like every game with leveling
>get to max level
>all your gear is upgraded to 90% maximum performance
>have to grind 2000 hours for the last 10% that you can barely notice
lol
But at least you'll notice that 1% every 200 hours
>Do you complain about leveling in every other game?
You god damn right I do.
It's lazy design in order to keep the game "challenging" the whole way through
if it's anything like wow's scaling, it scales off fricking both.
it's called item level scaling, keeping mobs at relatively the same power no matter how much gear you get. they thought it up in legion and it's fricking dogshit and whoever thought it up should unironically be put in solitary confinement and lashed for the rest of their life.
It’s always weird to me when nostalgia gays shill D2 as some amazing arpg that got it “right”.
Yet it’s only endgame was spamming dungeons over and over to get more loot so you can PvP.
That’s was literally it.
You people are an absolute joke.
PoE isn’t even any better anymore it’s been absolute dogshit for years now, it was better in its first year that’s it.
found a new copypasta, Mr. Marketer?
thats not a marketer. marketers wouldn't downplay one of their own products, given that diablo 2 is still on sale on b.net
they would if they're trying to sell its supposed successor
no they wouldn't. they'd be selling both, not one at the cost of the other
no no, they WANT people to stop buying Diablo 2 and buy Diablo 4, because Diablo 4 has much heavier long-term monetization potential.
The game shits out gear constantly.
What’s the problem, just keep on equipping new gear.
Was for
> PoE is shit
> You're a marketer!
No. I'll tell you what it is. The assets. Animations, models, etc. Cheap, low framerate jank. And there's the predatory F2P pricing checks. Absolute low-tier shitter of a game propped up by paid streamers. Eat shit, muppet.
poe shits on literally every other arpg combined
it genuinely has more endgame than every other arpg that has ever existed COMBINED
>A 10 year old live service pay 2 win game has more content
Wow colour me chocked.
Diablo 4 has also been in development for 10 years, is also live service, and will soon be pay 2 win
Guess we got confirmation it’s just a bunch of salty PoE shills.
GOOD MORNING SIR!
it's confirmation of your moronic and wrong opinion, shill homosexual.
devs never sell power in poe tho
can i get a citation to your p2w claims
>inb4 its p2w cause rmt exists
>muh stash tabs are p2w
kys
Only ladder gays cared about D2 endgame
D2 for me was about getting my friends together in a lan party, starting a new game at 8am friday night and playing all the way to 10am saturday.
And then doing the same thing next month.
Never even knew there were dumb troons farming runes until I started posting here
Enemy scaling is the shittiest and laziest game design and people have hated that shit since Oblivion. I will never play an RPG with scaling.
Anybody with high level character here?
Did you manage to outpower the monsters' level scaling?
Or it feels the same as it did 10, 20, or even 50 levels ago?
It all feels the same all the up to level 93 when monsters become actually stronger than you
Im having fun dungeon crawling up util the point i beat the boss. Examine my loot and feel nothing. None of this gear makes me feel anything just oh that number went up. But im not excited to use this new sword cause it feel exactly the same as what it replaced.
I vendor trash everything then stop playing.
Ill do another dungeon like an hour later but going though your loot is the worst part of the game when it should be the best
D3 felt like upgraddes did something
>going through your loot is the worst part of the game
destiny 2
Nah destity2 you feel something when you get a godroll. This it all the same. I feel like d4 is like elden ring. You do the dungeon to do the dungeon even though the loot at the end was some pos wand that you would never use cause frick magic. Though thats horrible considering the games supposed to be about the loot.
After you dismantle 400 legendaries
>D3 felt like upgraddes did something
To be fair D3 only got to that point after several years.
D3 at launch was barebones to promote the RMAH.
This is why I'm waiting for at least one year but probably more to buy D4 again after refunding after the beta. It will either be a nice playable game or it will be complete shit but I will only pay $20 for it
Black person, D3 launch was all about the gear. you would grind the final act on the highest difficulty for BLUE drops. rarely has any game had as impactful loot as D3 on launch. what people were complaining about with D3 launch was actually that it was way, way, way too hard. that's why people cared when kripp beat diablo on hardcore
I was complaining about the fact that it was impossible to play past normal because shitzard made a single player game online only despite their dogshit servers meaning the game would constantly hitch and you'd be dead before the game even loaded the monsters that killed you.
Cap. Items in D3 were fricking abyssmal at launch. Took me a week to get my first legendary and it was a witch doctor off-hand with fricking +dex +str.
the theme song is fire though
Why haven't any of these ARPGs just made a dungeon creator? They can literally get fans to make the game fun for them instead of using soulless AI generated dungeons. It's not like any other game where the user generated content needs to be high quality. Literally anything is better than what's in the game. It would instantly take a game like this from a 6/10 to a 9/10.
Doing so would run the risk of revealing how out of touch and lazy the designers are, or expose the limitation of the game (ie will start lagging with more than 10 entities on the screen at a time).
D4 could safely double the enemy density and be a better game but they didn't do that. Why?
because it's designed to drip feed you the minimum amount of fun to keep you engaged, it's all about engagement.
pitch that idea to the poe developers and they might do it
Because companies don't want you to create content they want to create content they sell to you. I used to make really good emblems in COD Black OPs they took that away because they want to sell you trash emblems
>Another thread of insecure PoE Trannies
Why don’t you know… go play that game if it’s so good.
sir we need your help over @ fo76g
waiting for the new league
you don't just play the same game every single day do you?
honestly the most fun i had in poe/diablo was when my autobomber got so powerful it was like i was playing vampire survivors on 10x speed
>there's level scaling so I can't tell the difference
this really is the worst shit.
d3 had a perfect difficulty system.
if i want to over level and 1 shot every boss and dungeon in the game just fricking let me.
c**ts.
if i want better loot i can just turn the difficulty up.
if i want to return to a early area to do collectibles or some shit im fighting mobs the same level as i am.
whats the point?
also i can just tell doing the campaign on alt characters is going to be super super shit.
>what next
You now consume the upcoming 70+ dlc and battlepass which cost 99999$
The reason 4's endgame is so boring is because there's no progressive rift pushing.
rare footage of barbarians mating
Is the whole game in shit color like this
yes
Yes. Players complained about colors so they removed them.
people complained about D3 looking like Naruto.
but blizz is fricking moronic and just made the whole fricking game grey.
i just wanted it to look like D1.
you know.... like a motherfricking horror game.
the frick are you smoking. diablo 1 is even more grey than d2
D4 graphics are so fricking shit, its hard to tell where my character is on the screen lmao.
>on the left
SOVL
>on the right
soulless
I was losing sight of my cursor constantly.
i can hear the left just by looking at it. the ambient noises, the skeleton creaks, the fallen grunts, the sword swings, hits, and misses, the moody music, the liquid potion sounds. what a revolutionary game.
modern game developers forgot that sound/music is just as important as graphics.
D4 music was made by ChatGPT, calling it dogshit is an insult to dogs.
D4's ambient sounds are also underwhelming as frick. Like rain should sound oppressive and pouring in dark fantasy setting, and it sounds pretty much like nothing at all.
Hell Knight death screams still give me a hard-on.
Or the yellow monsters from Catacombs dying. You know, the disgusting gurgling sound of a cut off head.
Frick me, what a game.
100%
The more I age and think about video games (especially old ones) the more I realise how I've always, even as a child, really loved the sound engineering in games and now how important sound has always been. We are in an age of "muh graphics" (engine, that's it, it's still poor skill, poor use, no art style etc)
Is this satire? You can't even see a character on the left.
the *other* left, you mean.
Trick question both characters are in the middle of the screen
>people
Including a ton of posts on Ganker
Unfortunately.
Despite all the gore people called D3 cartoony because it had colors so now we all have to suffer because of ALL THE CRITICISM OF D3 this was the one thing devs listened to
diablo 3 looked like cartoony shit you mong, it wasnt a direct criticism of the colours
jesus the contrarianism AT LEAST BE CONSISTENT
The problem with D3 artstyle and graphics wasnt that it was cartoony, it was that it was extremely low quality mobile game tier chinkshit several tiers behind what Blizzard were capable of at the time. Just look at Heroes of the Storm to see what a D3 character should look like.
It was really just the cartoony graphics. I get it man. You're sophisticated and stuff. How many fedoras you got? I have 3 and they're pretty swanky.
yes because they thought the problem with diablo 3 was color and not looking like a gay cartoon
Name a gay cartoon and a straight cartoon.
homosexual redditors like you are why basedjaks are a thing
>homosexual redditors like you are why basedjaks are a thing
>gay cartoon
Steven Universe
>straight cartoon
Samurai Jack
Welcome back to 2004
>2004
>implying
Creating crisp and clean but vibrant picture is a lost art now. Everything is desaturated and looks like it's covered in mist and puke and then also has ten million filters slapped on top of it.
Is this your example? Damn. Looks terrible.
>UT 2004
>Terrible
You need to have a nice day, right now.
Looks terrible. I've played it and the map scaling is 1000x times bigger than it needs to be for the player. Frick off. Your boomer taste is shit pal.
>le spin-to-win
I can't believe the genre has barely evolved beyond this.
>pvp event
>encountering rando fricks
>chinkshit UI
god diablo 4 looks shite
maybe better than immortal, that game made me take a two month break from gaming it was so fricking awful, but still utter shite
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this d4troony is having a mely pls understand bros
rifts are fun till you hit the wall of all your gear being upgraded
if they just added like extra sets every 50 gr then it would be perfect
Beats the alternative....which is no rifts.....................boy.....I love skyrim maps...................
should’ve played a druid and pulverize the hardest content in the game in 1 hit
this, unironically. kinda funny that the 17dmg druid turns into the hardest hitting class in the game
literally every single druid i've seen in game has been playing a bear druid
I wonder why……..
I want to be the only boulder rolling druid but i don't know how to make this work
you wait for the "buffs" where a set will give this spell 2000% increased damage
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If you don't think Diablo 4 is fun, you are likely a racist right winger.
are people just now realizing these games are bad?
does everyone agree that d3 is fun for a weekend per season?
No.
have you even played a d3 season?
I have played Diablo 3.
that didn't answer the question
have you played it since reaper of souls was released? a season?
if you can't find a few days of d3 fun i think its more of a problem with you tbqh
that's not his question
he's talking about seasons specifically which is something it took them forever to add
Diablo 3 at launch and for a good while after was absolutely awful and unplayable for more than half the classes at the highest difficulty
Yep, it's baller. Shot caller.
Can probably squeeze a whole week if you like playing more than one character.
It's actually amazing how after how terrible d3 was originally it's actually in a decent place right now
In all seriousness the only thing that kept morons playing d3 was rift racing.
you homosexuals could always go back to d2r and spam baal runs forever lmao
there's just no pleasing some people
>the campaign (the tutorial) will only get you to 40 if you do 0 side quests
>the ENTIRE REST OF THE GAME is tiny dungeons and wow dailies
It's like they tried to replicate path of exile maps in the absolute most horrendous way possible. What the frick happened to having the campaign add new monsters and abilities to bosses with each new tier, instead you basically do the campaign ONCE a season and then never do it again.
Don't worry they will sell you more content for $30-50 before the end of the year
I mean, you would get very sick of a cimenatic campaign with static levels and a pointlessly large open world, like the one in D4 if you had to replay it several times. Replaying the same game lots of times works in D2 (and I pressume in PoE, never actually played it) because of the randomized levels and because the acts can easily be rushed through, you don't have to wait for NPCs to do their long winded walking and talking schticks etc.
I genuinely feel bad for my friends that spent 90$ to play a game that is barebones casual Lost Ark-lite. Everyone deserves to be made fun of for paying that premium like a moron homosexual Black person
>D2: Dark and Gritty, no complaints
>D3: Colourful, WHY IS IT SO VIBRANT ITS SUPPOSED TO BE DIABLO.
>D4: Back to Dark and Gritty, WHERES THE COLOUR EVERYTHING IS SO GRAY.
Easiest way to rat out zoomers.
but d2 has plenty of colors and doesn't look washed out at all?
Also worth mentioning that D2 had actually distinct color palettes for each act. You can glimpse at a screenshot from any place outside of a dungeon and immediately know what act it's from. So far, all I've seen from D4 looks the exact same and I'm sure people have left act 1 by now.
Yeah it has yellow sand and brown swamps
have you even played it?
several times before you were even born zoom zoom
I'm this anon
D4 is just washed-out and muddy, not dark. It didn't fix the contrast problem D3 had, it just changed the colors to shit brown.
You should try actually playing Diablo 2, zoomer. It doesn't look like someone just hit desaturate in photoshop.
Oh man look at all that grey.
>PC is clearly contrasted to the background instead of blending in
bravo anon
>all those bright colours contrasting and making things visible
WOW GAYNESS
You had to pick the literal gray level and even then you could see plenty of color in it.
You fricking disingenuous c**t.
Not only most of the screencaps you will find googling d2 will prove you wrong but even d2r had plenty of color as well
yeah but also look at that vibrant yellow from the ghost, the vibrant blue of the merc aura and red of the portals. Nobody said the game should look like rainbow vomit. Just to have saturated and high contrast colors appropriate for the area. Also, you can immediately tell that this is the arcane sanctuary. Can you do the same thing with any random screenshot of a dungeon in D3 or D4?
why do zoomers always shit on the graphics of these older 2d games, but whenever an indie game comes out with ugly as frick pixel art or flash art, they praise it as the most beautiful thing ever? If D2 never existed and an indie game came out with these exact graphics today, those same people shitting on D2 would lose their minds at how beautiful and charming they are.
did you want this image
it's 15 years old now. Older than most of Ganker.
>Grass is green
Imagine my shock
Double rainbow all the way. So intense.
So, this game on Blizz forums have all sorts of crazy shit happening to people that play it, GPUs burning out, crashing routers to the point of bricking them, PCs turning temselves off and so on. How is it running for those that play it here?
no refunds.
Honestly, Buying D4 felt like a bigger waste of money to me than spending money on FGO last night.
Diablo 3 > FATE > Torchlight 1 >>>>>>> Your favorite grimdark edgy mature arpg for grown ups
My list is pure big pp energy.
See here
Even god damn D2R which some random chinese sweatshop developed got the fricking color of D2 right but blizzard decide to just take d3 and add mute all the fricking colors instead
game's trash
my condolences
Why does that Shroud guy have so many viewers on Twitch, are they bots?
Last Epoch is in early access and still have more content and variety than D4
>Grey and brown color mean it's dark and gritty
Absolute state
>start character in PoE
>get to level 17 in 30 minutes
>already able to sustain righteous fire
>have fun
it's that easy
>want to experiment with builds in PoE
>lol grind stones of regret or make a new character
Frick off
I cannot play through the campaign again
They have forced me to quit by summoning up all the dread in the entire fricking world by asking me to play through the campaign again
I just can't fricking do it anymore
fifty times is enough
So you're telling be that you can complete act 1 as a marauder in 30 minutes? I find it hard to believe since just merveil fight takes half that time for this class
>me watching all the shiteaters get surprised that they got shafted by another garbage Blizzard game
This is why you'll amount to nothing in life.
I rolled rogue, early leveling is pretty boring does it get better?
most characters come together and get interesting by the time you get ult and a couple legendaries. lvl 25-30
Only ARPG's I've played is torchlight 10 years ago and 2.5h of PoE maybe 6 years ago.
Bought Diablo 4, played 5 straight hours of necromancer, pretty fun game. Think I'm level 16 or something, level scaling is bullshit but still having fun.
Don't understand the amount of seethe this game causes, its pretty non-offensive. Main issue is you can't zoom out for shit.
Blizzard just announced it was the fastest selling game of theirs ever. A Ganker heel turn was to be expected.
>Blizzard just announced it was the fastest selling game of theirs ever
This should be yet another reminder that Ganker is a minority. Outside of Ganker, absolutely nobody gives a shit about Blizzard's practices and what the current stage of gaming is like.
My BNet friends list is packed with people who have been offline for years and came back just to play D4.
Fantastic game as well, packed with content and the atmosphere is on point. After so many fumbles from Blizzard, I'm surprised D4 is as good as it is.
this. even my current WoW-zombie friends have bought D4 and we play together even though i havent touched WoW since original wrath
This. My wife's son usually plays zoomer stuff like fortnite but even he enjoys this game
Blizzard just announced it was the fastest selling early access game of theirs ever
why are you so dishonest
what does "fastest selling" even mean?
are they out of stock?
what time period did they use to measure?
does fast sales equal high sales?
absolute salesspeak garbage
it's a corpo term for "our long expected product is doing alright pls buy more stock" mostly to create fomo hype sales and please investors
>the fastest selling early access game of theirs ever
they also didn't release any actual sales numbers
>Only ARPG's I've played is torchlight 10 years ago and 2.5h of PoE maybe 6 years ago.
>Don't understand the amount of seethe this game causes
Because you're a moron who lacks critical thought
Have you considered not being a turbo autist and just having fun?
Sorry I already grinded all the fun away.
I did have fun, with other ARPGs which I played more recently than 6 years ago. I am not going to have fun playing a literal clone of D3 which improved nothing and in many areas made it worse, you absolute fricking moron.
>I did have fun
>just too afraid to list them because they all suck anyway lmao
Soulless seething liar.
>list them
Why would I list them? Go fricking google ARPGs you moron holy shit.
If you want some generic open world ARPG then you should be playing V Rising. If you want D4 but better you can LITERALLY play D3.
If it were more reasonably priced or at least didn't have any cash shop bullshit there would be a lot less criticism.
I'm just waiting until it's 50% off or whatever. I don't understand the FOMO angle on D4. It's not like it's a full multiplayer game where you're gonna miss out on content or have dead servers if you don't get in on it right away.
>actiblizzard games
>sales
They have sales occasionally. It might be 6 months or a year from now but I've got plenty of other shit to play so I'm in no rush.
I don't think Diablo 3's expansion ever went on sale, of if it did it was still massively overpriced. I might have given it a chance if it did, but after I was stupid enough to buy the D3 CE I sure as frick wasn't going to risk more than maybe 10 bucks on the alleged fix.
I bought the base game + expansion for D3 on sale, it was 50% off I think.
>but after I was stupid enough to buy the D3 CE
you can sell the CE for like $150+ today if you still have all the pieces. I bought the CE when it came out for like $80 and for a long time the skull with the D1+2 USB soulstone was $100 itself so I sold that.
It did because that's the only reason I bought it.
Yeah, $70 felt pretty steep but I'm not strapped for cash at all so its whatever.
Definitely feels like a game that is ideally 40-50$.
I don't understand the cash shop at all, I can't imagine someone paying 20$ for a Diablo IV skin. You barely see other players anyways, which removes a lot of whales motivation for whaling (showing off to others). Skins are all mid too.
It has a lot of forced hype, blizzard gifted the game to every YouTuber with more than 100k followers.
No matter how much chatgpt4 bots blizzard buys.
SHITZZARD will die like Disney.
the default zoom out level should be the same as when you are mounted
there, i fricking said it
A good game is one that gets harder as you continue through it. Brainlets wouldn't understand because they dislike being challenged
This is why the game shouldn't be multiplayer.
>Nerf the character if it's killing everything and having fun
>Nobody should have fun
Frick
I really wish it was good so poe2 had some actual competition now bald fricking moron can just shove his vision up everyones ass and they have to take it or just stop playing the genre. Maybe Last Epoch will actually go somewhere now that they reversed their previous decision to just make a d3 style single player + coop and instead are planning to actually make it multiplayer but with how badly they have fricked the last two patches and how moronic they are at balancing I am losing hope rapidly. Why can't someone just make a good fricking ARPG without being grossly incompetent or picking some autistic hill to die on?
im sad that Lillith does not have big momma milkers like Lady Dimitrescu
>play devil may cry
>game gets harder and enemies require more combos to kill the farther you are in the game
>this is great!
>play diablo 4
>game gets harder and enemies require more rotations to kill as you get farther into the game
>NOOOOO BLOZZARD WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS AAAAAAAA I SHOULD BE ABLE TO AFK ONE SHOT EVERYTHING AT ALL TIMES
>Play devil may cry
>When you're at the middle of the game, you decides to go back to level 1 and see how much the character became stronger
>They are all dying without efforts
>this is great!
>Diablo 4
>When you're at the middle of the game, you decides to go back to starting area and see how much the character became stronger
>They are just as strong as your current progress now
>This is shit
FTFY because you're a huge moron
>clip clop clip clip clip clop aahrghhh
>oh no the horse is dead let's wait the cooldown!
Just finished the campaign and all the bosses sucked.
Literally just whirlwind them for 2 minutes while they do no damage to me so i never had to move for any mechanics.
Unironically had more fun playing lost ark
>playing a barb
skill issue
https://arch.b4k.co/v/search/image/PCSqeclxmFZCgR4DYe2j1g/
i hate homosexual Black folk like this OP that use other's image in order to false flag
you did not play d4
Does GGG pay shills to go and post endlessly about Diablo 4? I swear the only discourse I see is people trying to shit on the game without playing it.
moron.
The game is fricking terrible. If you played it beyond the first 30 minutes you're a certifiable mong and there is absolutely no hope for you.
GOOD MORNING SIR!
yes.
Almost every single person who keeps praising Diablo 4 online is a newcomer to ARPGs who fell for marketing, they don't know better.
people bringing up poe probably played both d4 and poe and immediately recognize that d4 is a shit arpg, in fact it isn't really an arpg at all but a casualized battlepass MMO for morons.
Which game mind broke Ganker the most?, ToTK or Diablo?
I bought the 90$ edition for the early access and leveled to 63, it's so boring to just go from dungeon to dungeon. It litterally takes 3 minutes to ride to the dungeon and 7-10 minutes to do the dungeon. This kind of dead air in a game is unacceptable, I wish I could refund this piece of shit but I can't.
>nooooooo
>reeeeeeee
>stop liking this game
>I spent hours everyday for months on end shitting on it and trying to make it fail
>you are not allowed to enjoy it
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER
meds troon
Found the shitters.
All those hors you spent shitting on the game all day everyday, all for nothing :3
>nooo don't talk about my game flaws
>AIEEEEEE
fricking marketers can't even mockingly greentext convincingly. get a real job, queer.
Absolutey seething shitters.
>t.
Wow they implemented time magic into the game?
That time reversal spell is looking DOPE.
>nooooo just gear yourself better!!!!
>can't go back and farm weaker monsters for gear because there's no such thing as weaker monsters
Fricking hell I hate Blizzard
finished the story, i'm like level 48 with a few renown points
kinda struggling on sorc, i'm using the ice shards build, but even with the 'using a cooldown restores mana' affix and cycling between frost nova, teleport, ice shield, fire shield there's still so much downtime where i have no mana, the proc chance on avalanche seems really low
anyone got a good build for a sorcerer who doesn't have great gear yet?
I think theres a guaranteed unique when you finish the 50 capstone dungeon. Maybe build something off of that item, the dungeon is easy did it on a 45 druid.
ah i see thank you
tbf when i do have frost nova up and mana, i fricking obliterate everything, but then i have to kite around for like 15 seconds waiting for it to come back up
So what the frick is the point of having levels if it doesn't do anything?
levels are a free cosmetic
Dopamine hits.
Number go up me clap
level level level, you boomers really thing high level vs low level is fun huh?
"hurr durr I am level 5 and you are level 1, I can kill you in 1 hit, so fun haha I feel so strong"
i like how the game starts lagging and stops me while it loads some village or something, what a joke
>Leveling used to be a way for the players to approach the games in different ways
>depending on your personality and play style you could level and approach the game how you wanted
>Blizzard throws this into the garbage bin
>people praise them
?????????????????????
>people
reminder that shills are not human
No, you can level past things but I think it's 'tiered'.
The level 50 capstone dungeon for example will have enemies that will stay at max 50 because that dungeon has to be done on veteran (which ends scaling at 50). You can go back and smash weak mobs by turning down the difficulty but you miss out rare items that only drop from the mode currently has scaling mobs appropriate for you.
Isn't level scaling common in ARPGs? They all have it.
nope
not in arpgs
I think Grim Dawn only had level scaling in optional dungeons.
d3 is the only one that had it before d4 as far as I remember. even so, in any game that has always-scaling on, people complain about it because it's fricking lazy and makes the game progression feel meaningless.
Diablo 3 didn't have lvl scaling?
in patch 2.0 and beyond they enabled level scaling. 99% of the people who played diablo 3 (everyone who played after it was """fixed"""" with reaper of souls) experienced the game this way.
D3 has like 20 torment difficulties to wade through. Greater rifts go up to 150. These are manually selected. So there is no autoscaling.
the game has had auto scaling as a baseline almost forever. the torments are additional scaling based on that auto scaling baseline.
Nope. You are misinformed or lieing. There is no autoscaling buddy. You don't adjust the torment then the game gets too fricking easy. Dope new legendary weapon drop? Better crank the torment up 3 or 4 levels. Don't talk to me moron.
You're 100% wrong and an actual moron.
I remember in GW2 everyone just farmed events in the starter zone because level scaling meant there was literally zero reason not to.
Level scaling is the most unfun, laziest way to balance enemies in any games.
If you have to implement level scaling in a game, just don't introduce levels whatsoever, it won't make any difference anyway.
it's a non linear game with coop in mind. It isn't a single player, RMT, cookie clicker game like PoE.
Imma try to refund it. Blizzard truly is dead
Its fun. Raising like 12 mobs as necromancer with absurd buffs is epic.
the frick are you talking about level scaling for. just don't up the world tier lmao
oh wait there's no point in insta mobbing enemies 5-10+ levels lower than you
diablo 2 doesn't have "level scaling". the difficulty just increases
>d4
>level up, dont upgrade gear
>become weaker
>d2
>progress through area
>don't upgrade gear
>get weaker
D2 level up
>get stronger to kill mobs faster for gear
D4 level up
>get weaker to kill mobs slower for gear
you dumb fricking Black person
>d2 level up
>dump all points into vit because every other stat is gotten through gear
>put another single point out of 20 into the 1 skill youre trying to max out, an imperceptible increase in damage output
did you even play d2 you dumb Black person? it's all gear
NOOOOOOO STOP BADMOUTHING MY FAVORITE GAME ITS GOTY ITS GOTY
Even game journos are beginning to recognize goyslop, they just don't have a mainstream friendly term for it.
arpg d2 clones were always the goyslop of crpgs
>goyslop of crpgs
yeah. console rpgs
rofls
eh I just killed the second of Ronan or Rohans or whatevers former friends and I'm kinda bored
I wanted my necromancer to be a weak scrawny b***h and for his skellys to do everything for him but skellys suck man and blood and bone magic don't interest me, so I'm basically a corpse exploder with some dudes
this game needs a crusader class
>X has been defeated, but there is still much to do...
I'm so tired of this shit, literally every fricking game these days has this pasted onto the end
that church cutscene was awesome. lemme guess there is barely any like that in the whole game though
>that church cutscene was awesome. lemme guess there is barely any like that in the whole game though
blizz made the first act the best in D4, and i was falling asleep from boredom when i played the beta.
long story short, pre-order canceled.
>70$ p2w filled garbage with forced online and battlepass(tm).
>Horseshit visuals, horseshit story, horseshit gameplay.
If this is the videogames right now, i dont even want to know what would new Activision titles look like in 10 years.
>Government issued goyslop with spyware which you need to complete in 24 hours and leave positive review or you'll be shot by non-binary police.
Cant wait to see it.
it has mmo-lite features. always online games as a service works with mmos. instead of paying monthly it's a steep entry price and cosmetic store
the visuals and environment design are the best part of the game. youre coping with that one
Sadly blizzard have already added clauses in their discord integration contract that require you to install tracking software and must never think bad thoughts about blizzard. You're trying to lower the bar but it's racing ahead of you into the abyss.
>muh rotation
>please wait
>its on a cooldown
>please only use basic attack for 90% of the whole game
nah, frick you, ill just reinstall D2R, thanks.
>D2R
>R
Cringe
Wtf kind of patriarchy BS is this, killing LILITH? The Single Mom of all Single Moms?
Surely people must realise the TRANSGENDER AGENDA HAS GONE TOO FAR!
My mother (Rowling) will hear of this.
why is rogue so fun bros?
https://streamable.com/gjqc9l
>make a bad build
>fail at game
lmaoing @ poe tencent losers
why is nobody talking about how fricking far zoomed in the camera is? you cannot see 5 feet in front of you. it stresses me the frick out.
>snow is grey
>desert is grey
>swamps are grey
>jungle is grey
god what horse shit skill hotbar design. the people who made this game literally didn't play a single other arpg on the market to take notes and see what was good about them.
There's no music in D4.
There was barely any music in 3 as well.
While I acknowledge it as a bad thing, I still prefer to run around with the Initial D OST in the background.
>initial D
holy fricking goddamn oldgay status secured
initial D is zoomer as frick
>There was barely any music in 3 as well.
yeah.
3 was just trash, i remember getting absolutely pissed off at it during my 1st play of D3.
>ohhh! welcome in my real of TERRROOOROROROROROROROROR
i finished the whole game in a few hours (what the frick), got pissed off, and didnt touch it for a month.
what a piece of trash.
*REALM OF TERRRRORORORORORORRRR
sorry, typo.
^
Damn you speak from my heart. But why can't I upvote here?
v
thank you for proving his point there is no music in D4.
hey that's not true at all. don't you remember those cinematic trailers with pop bangers like Billie Eillish - You Should See Me In A Crown, and Halsey & Suga Drop (of BTS) - Lilith (Diablo 4 anthem)
Who is this supposed to be pandering to?
kpop stans that play arpgs, all 3 of them
I can't stop playing the violin thing in my head, it has that one song atleast. The ashava song as well.
the whole frickin' soundtrack is one sad violin solo made by chatGPT.
>ashava dogshit noise "song"
another chatGPT made trash.
pooe troons having a melty because in d4 you don't need 10 excel spreadsheets open to play the game
and you don't die from random projectiles one shotting you, hidden behind cancer inducing visual clutter
>and you don't die from random projectiles one shotting you, hidden behind cancer inducing visual clutter
Sister...
https://www.twitch.tv/imexile/clip/SaltyMiniatureMagpieBIRB-f7Jet5v3guTigThw
you can clearly see he walks into an explosion you fricking moron lol
get your eyes checked
Why did he walk into it then moron
he went to pick the legendary ring
his goblin brain took over and that cost him his life
Your brain just turns off playing diablo. That can sometimes happen.
>random troony on Ganker is better and have better game sense then some of the most experienced D4 players
imagine admitting you're moronic and thinking it's an own on anyone else.
Spotted the Tencent shills
nah m8 i'm pretty sure you're just an autistic schizo brand loyalist blizzcel screeching because people are making fun of your pig shit game.
How many buzzwords will you include in your next post to compensate for a lack of critical thinking?
>VISUAL CLUTTER
>it's clearly visible, get your eyes checked
go get monkey pox and die of anal cancer you bastardised blizzard shill
why are pooe troons so angry all the time?
its just video games
I didn't play either D4 nor PoE
as an impartial observer I simply have to express my disgust for unpaid moron shills like your kind, praising horseshit games because you don't want your 100$ regret to die off in less than a month
why do you care if you don't play either?
oh no no no no no no
homie I'm just here making fun of your trash game and you're having a schizo melty. i don't even know what your "pooe" is that you keep mentioning. some kind of in-joke at your indian shillfarm?
>schizo melty
you're the one wishing cancer upon others over some video games, pooe troon
your shizophrenic ass is being mocked by several different people and you can't even tell them apart so you keep deflecting to your indian poop jokes.
lying to yourself is even sadder than lying to us
Tell me at least half of this screen is addons
It's an event stage, buffs on top, even thigny on the bottom.
event*
this must be orgasmic to look at if you're a chink though
this is like that fingerless glove meter shit, except real
holy frick
the shit in the bottom middle is from an event/mode
the icons on the top are all the buffs since its a party with a support
the screen shit is from a billion rares spawning and 3 people nuking the screen
HOW DOES THAT MAKE IT BETTER
IT LOOKS LIKE AN INDIAN MOVILE GAME AD
it's better because you see....old (new) good and new BAD.
eh once you play it you'll understand
you can turn off the buffs on the top if you want too i am pretty sure
this is also from a tower defense mode too
>blighted map
>someone cast fricking vaal breach in the middle of it just to add clutter
>necro aurabawd support spamming the top of the screen
and that looks like what, sire of shards rolling magma totems/mines or something? fricking lmao. this is literally a group purposely trolling to make the screen as cluttered as possible on purpose for le ebin reddit screenshot.
It does not take much to make a screen like this tho. Just running juiced maps with a herald effect will do the same. Or 5 ways, or popping a breach in a high density map, or popping a legion while doing any other mechanic. Poe endgame is peak clutter.
the real fun was the clutter we made along the way
it takes more effort than you'd think, since in 99% of cases if you were spamming the screen like that everything would be exploding and dying instantly, and your screen would only look like that for a split second. the part that really made me laugh and gave it away was the vaal breach. the use-cases for that are almost non-existent (the only thing it would do is allow you to trigger "on-hit" and "on-kill" effects which is EXTREMELY redundant in a blighted map) and only serves to create visual clutter in the screenshot.
for reference, SST is probably one of the more"cluttery" builds right now, and its gameplay looks something like this when doing super juicy high density maps with about as much "clutter" (very high mob density, lots of breaches, delirium, etc) as you'd realistically be able to stuff into a normal map.
>for reference, SST is probably one of the more"cluttery" builds right now
you forgot the huge aoe builds that have full screen RF and shit lol
ywnbaw
Idk but the 1 map approach sucks. I like traveling to different acts with their very distinct themes
I am genuinely starting to think you guys are somehow mentally tricking yourselves into hating it. The reasons listed in this thread for why you think the game is bad are absolutely hilarious.
>Bro so get this....you have to walk for a few seconds when you enter the dungeon before you encounter some mobs
>Bro so you actually get weaker as you level up (unless you upgrade your gear) that's so STUPID lol
>Bro...this game is not ultra-colorful, like Diablo 3 was - and we ALL loved that !!! *proceeds to post screenshots from D2 which is literally as colorful as D4*
>Bro wait....so you don't know ICONIC quotes from D4 ONE DAY after the game launched ? Heh....i could replay the entire dialogues of D2 by heart (it's all i've been playing for 40 years)
This is absolutely insane to me. Funny too.
>>Bro so get this....you have to walk for a few seconds when you enter the dungeon before you encounter some mobs
you forgot the part where you have to run to the dungeons
>"Walk a few seconds"
Try Literal Minutes.
>Riding on your horse
>BARRIER
>Minus 10sec while Mount is on CD
>Ride a bit more
>ANOTHER BARRIER
Dude this is literal seconds!!!
just stay mad, it's all you've got now...you lost
are you implying there's no end-game ? What the frick do you do in other ARPGs in endgame? Same shit - upgrade gear. Go ahead and try to convince me how other games endgame is more interesting and engaging, i dare you. No - it's all the same cookie clicker bullshit with a different skin.
lost what?
xe's an anally devastated blizzdrone having an emotional crisis because everyone is making fun of xir's shit game. it's just lashing out wildly projecting it's seethe as a coping mechanism at this point.
yeah, these poor fools dont even know how to defend this shit product, they just act like little babies.
its pretty funny to watch.
>well yeah you dont need music in it
>well yeah you dont need graphics in it
>well yeah you dont need skills in it
>well yeah you dont need a TAB map overlay in it
>you dont need anything, just fricking buy this shit game please i beg you
>are you implying there's no end-game ? What the frick do you do in other ARPGs in endgame? Same shit - upgrade gear. Go ahead and try to convince me how other games endgame is more interesting and engaging,
have you never played poe at endgame?
our alternative endgame has more content than your main endgame lmao
Then play PoE my good fellow, i mean if PoE is so good surely there's no reason to spam how bad D4 is right ? People will naturally migrate to the better game. It only makes sense. I bet once people realize how bad D4 is PoE will be BOOMING with new players. It should start happening next week or so 🙂
NOOOOOO STOP SAYING HOW BAD D4 STOP YOU WILL HURT IT STOP
>D4 SUCKS AAAAAAAGHH STOP PLAYING IT
lol fixed
>why do you mean guys express criticism at all? What's the point? Just be silent and let us advertise our shitty game to inconsiderate young audiences
i already played my fill of poe for this season
i was hoping for another good arpg to play
but alas
Damn, Diablo 4 must be really awful for a PoE player to not be able to enjoy it all. Either that or PoE is just that insanely good. Who knows which is true ?
both
d4 has less content than d3
i can at least enjoy a few days of d3 in its current state every season
>d4 has less content than d3
lost, that was actually a good one bro
d4 has rifts?
PoE is dogshit
>It should start happening next week or so 🙂
still got about 3-4 weeks to go until the next league ends up breaking pooe records due to shitablo 4 refugees looking for a real arpg, actually.
Unless POE2 really unloads so much bloat, its going to do nothing. Its in that area Destiny 2 is in, no real new player can enter even when competing games fail it doesn't bring in new people. Destiny 2 has had Division 2, Outriders, Borderlands 3 etc all come out and just die within 6 months. You just had the big Last Epoch multiplayer patch also bring in "some" people who stopped playing that game and realistically they were already ARPG-fans in the first place.
competing with what? you're only "competing" with yourself to better your builds by finding new and interesting loot. what's stopping a new player from starting poop of excrement right now, that wouldn't have stopped them in the past?
Games competing with each other. Destiny 2 has had years of dumb feature bloat, seasons, expansions, story is all over the place, mechanics the game doesn't tell you about. It doesn't matter if a game that comes out later tries to simplify shit aka Division 2 or Diablo 4, the hardcore people stay and return while the people who only joined the genre for Division/Diablo try out Destiny/POE and get hit with bloat out the ass. I think D4 will be a ghost town in 6 months because of the awful itemization and build variety, plus the campaign seems like it'll be a massive slog to replay.
I don't think the casuals whose only ARPG has been Diablo 4 will go into POE and get hit with a great new player experience.
i don't know about destiny but poe doesn't feel "bloated" and most of the past league content in the game is highly intuitive and just there to offer variety and pepper your atlas progression with novelty, then allow you to spec into the ones you really like later on with atlas skill points. a new player doesn't need to understand rituals or legions or breaches in-depth to participate in those things and just kill stuff get loot. there's nothing that bars a new player's path from experiencing the game in the same way new players have been experiencing it for the last decade.
Its already at a big disadvantage because of regret orbs, gold respecing in D4 especially early on is enough to try different skills to see what you want. Plus your class gives you an extremely specific playstyle you can understand going in, while in POE the freedom comes at new players just being given a massive thing. POE is like making anyone who starts off in FFX play on expert sphere grid from the get go
what you describe is the entire problem with d4. it's been casualized for actual morons. its simplicity is not a positive, and it will kill the game very quickly.
>d4 is better because it treats its players like morons
>poe is worse because it treats its players as capable human beings that will figure out systems
I somehow feel like these games are targeting wastly different groups of people the way you describe them.
Where the frick have I said D4 is better there or
besides respeccing being easier which is objectively good for the game?
D4 is dumbed down enough to get ARPG new players in and they might enjoy it, but those players won't go to POE because its a wall of bloat. That is the whole discussion, in 6 months when D4 dies after 2 mediocre seasons there won't be a flood to POE2's open beta.
>respeccing being easier which is objectively good for the game?
is it, though?
>something that doesn't harm the existing hardcore fanbase who plans ahead the entire build before the league even starts
>something that is massively beneficial to onboarding new players
Yes. The only downside is the super, hardcore, 15 hour a day players will have a new build for every 5-10 levels
>okay this one for act 1
>then this one for half of act 2, then I swap to this
etc
Which in a PVE game harms no one.
d4 will get adventure mode soon enough
Might as well already be adventure. The tree has the bounties.
what about the endgame?
where is the endgame
Not who you're replying to, but why does every game need to have endgame? Surely this is games as a service brain-rot? The game ends when you beat the campaign, and then you can level up to 50 or paragon or whatever and do PVP.
>but why does every game need to have endgame?
because that's the point of an arpg
also its 70+ dollars
What's a good endgame to you?
PvP is endless endgame.
>pvp
no one likes pvp
>we sell D4 as game as a service, pay 125$ for the whole experience
>LOL you don't need endless things to do to keep you playing, just play the campaign and be done with it
is your pic related an application photo of your moronic ass?
>be excited for D4
>buy it
lets play it!
>for gameplay i get cooldowns
>for graphics i get the colour grey
>for music i get a flute
>for spells, my necro gets 2 curses and 0 poison skills
I DONT EVEN GET A MOTHERFRICKING "TAB" MAP OVERLAY.
these dumb fricking Black folk left out like half the basic quality of life shit that's been in every arpg for the last 20 years. they literally did not look at a single other arpg when designing this. i guess they didn't have to bother since it's not an arpg and they weren't competing for that market. it's gaas mmo garbage designed to milk literal morons so they can appease their blackrock and vanguard shareholders.
>D4 makes more money in one day than PoE in its entire lifetime
Absolutely killed and buried.
PoE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
4
tho
No it only made money 'Faster.
(No actual evidence to back this up, just shut up and consume)
Yes yes Bing I bet you are happy with pushing Blizzard out of China.
I wont lie, Seeing stupid moronic post like that make want to try PoE.
Is PoE any good in [current year]?
it's pretty good
How is the new player experience?
lel
Its that bad? I suppose the learning curve is fricking cancer?
it's simply unplayable
and i am not exaggerating
the game is not made for casuals or new players
If you go in blind, it's kino disaster.
If you watch a new player guide, it's alright
if you've never played it before yea it's great. this league was ass though, especially coming off last league which was one of the best in the game's history.
lol
it's unplayable for new players
How come?
you can't play without an outside guide
it's legit not made so new players or casual can get into it
why can't you? what in the game makes it impossible for new players?
PoE is literally the best game of all times according to Ganker as of last Friday to Thursday. But it was absolute garbage until then. Now ? It's like a huge masterpiece, it's just...WOW !
No. PoE is still the best ARPG of all times, in spite of being consistently sabotaged by GGG.
Which shows how incompetent everyone else competing in the ARPG space is.
>level up to increase the damage modifier on your ability from 120 to 125% even though there's level scaling
dead rogue
is he ok?
"People" who play skinned boxes are cattle.
Poop of Excrement
S
Weird how the only people who brought up PoE are homosexuals trying to defend D4, whereas everyone else was talking about D1/D2.
>please don't name all of D4's moronic design choices, just look how bad PooE is, PLEASE
its funny because before d4 came out, poeg was relentlessly shitting on pooe and chris for being a bald fricking moron with his crack cocaine-induced "vision"
now suddently pooe is the best arpg ever made
really gets the noggin joggin
how's your arab ghetto these days
>you made me feel bad about something i've been saying in Ganker threads so i will throw you a random racist remark !
>1 schizo spamming is everyone.
The guys just a complete loser, keeps hijacking their general's OP and false flagging as one of us. Don't even think he plays either game, just trying to stir shit.
>poeg was relentlessly shitting on pooe and chris for being a bald fricking moron with his crack cocaine-induced "vision"
poe is still utter trash from what it could be without the bald moron
that should tell you how bad d4 is
But those two are not mutually exclusive
>lost what?
If your arpg doesn't have rift running as the endgame then it's shit. Diablo 3 and Tiny Tina's Wonderlands are the best the genre has to offer. Unironically. no cap fellow kids.
>Tiny Tina's Wonderlands
frick off Randy
>its 2023
>devs are still try to do level scaling
It's quite the mystery.
M I N D B R O K E N
>guys the new Black personmaid movie totally made 69 trillion dollars
>totally
ok cool 😀
>No actual numbers
>Meme Investor deflection metric and "hours played"
Yeh this shit flopped.
Public quarterly reports will reveal the real numbers.
I doubt it will make more than Diablo 3 + RMAH in the first year. Afterall, Diablo 3 had China.
Whereas Diablo 4 is banned in China and wont release there.
>Public quarterly reports will reveal the real numbers.
if they're bad they will not be publicized. you'll have to go digging for them, but nobody will.
>writes a paragraph for a point he could make in one sentence
Nice to see the vaccines are working. Can't wait until you zoomer brain dead slaves pay for my pension.
when a long desired game title finally releases, there will be several threads on v showing off screenshots and webms, loving, hating or discussing several aspects of said game
how come D4 threads have ZERO media of people claiming to enjoy their precious product?
It's just thread after thread deflecting criticism with insults
D4 has some of the best and coolest graphics i've seen in gaming
but the entire thing feels bad to play
>cooldowns
>resource generators
>terrible skills with no oomph, sound or power
>terrible gearing
>terrible skill customization
it's like they just decided to abandon everything that makes a good arpg a good arpg
it's the worst entry into the genre since well, diablo immortal
>D4 has some of the best and coolest graphics i've seen in gaming
Huh?
>D4 has some of the best and coolest graphics i've seen in gaming
yes i also like the colour grey!
You need several key legendaries and your key passives for everything to start clicking.
The Souls franchise is the only real successor to Diablo 1/2. Every other ARPG is just a clone that fails to understand what made Diablo good in the first place.
any ARPG that doesnt have cooldowns is a successor to Diablo 1/2, to be honest.
I'm not much of a souls fan myself, but it's another great example of how "muh endgame" is only a concept for shit games like D3/D4.
Not really. I played the souls game once and will never do it again.
So would people really prefer to just have a circle town where everything is ontop of the waypoints and you also queue into dungeons/maps/anything from there? At some point you are just playing cookie clicker
frick a open world sis, sitting in towns navigating UIs is the TRUE GAMING EXPERIENCE
Immortal had queuing for dungeons and raids. 4 does not.
>new le epic fastest sales in 2 picosends game release
>1 Ganker thread
>it's negative
what happened
Ganker is on the wrong side of history as usual
almost all dudes on my friends list went back to playing WoW and D2 after 2 days.
its REALLY bad.
why haven't we see any godly item screenshots? Could it be because they don't exist?
we probably just couldnt see the screenshots because they were all grey.
i got one last night, but i am still only on world tier 3 🙂
>+ damage
>+ damage
>+ damage
>+ skill levels (damage)
>diablo 3 unique affix (damage)
>class exclusive
rofl
>defense
>poison damage chance
>+2 skills (damage)
>attack speed (damage)
>healing
>defense
>damage
>resist
>resist
>more damage
wooooow this is better because uhh....it has more stuff and more is GOOD !!!!!!
oh man, thats an awesome item!
>life steal
>+2 to ALL skills
>even adds a new skill - venom
thanks for proving our point that D2 items were much better.
got any other great examples of D2 fantastic itemisation?
you ignored the all resist, and why is the class exclusive bad ? That's how all uniques are
yes, you deal a lot of shadow and poison damage as rogue, if you want to
nightmare dungeons are the new rifts
wow +2 to all skills, good thing i only use 2...such an amazing bonus
>nightmare dungeons are the new rifts
No, they're consumables making them the new echoing nightmare.
ok, not my problem THOUGH
Get corrected. *mic drops*
>i only use 2 skills
skill issue bro.
i got like 10 spells on different hotkeys.
>gigantic life steal
>+2 to all skills
man, awesome.
good thing Diablo 2 is also still playable then - nice of blizzard to not make D4 the only playable one, you can actually stick to either D1, D2 or D3, good luck with your grind
>you ignored the all resist, and why is the class exclusive bad ? That's how all uniques are
because it heavily limits the design of the entire loot and build system. diablo 3 was infamous for how non-existent and meaningless the loot is, and that was due i large part to uniques and sets all being class exclusive. Even diablo 2 had 99% universal items that were based on stats rather than class except for a few new additions in LoD, and build-enabling uniques that could allow for whacky new things like enabling werewolf builds on classes that weren't druid.
Holy shit, +11.2% Non-Physical Damage???
the itemization is trash in diablo 4. they had over a decade to improve on the absolute garbage loot system from d3 and introduce meaningful loot in d4, but they just... didn't.
Stronger mobs means better loot.
i won't buy this game due to level scaling. feels good to have iq.
the irony in this post
level scaling is bad and you should feel bad for being moronic
Frick level scaling and whoever invented it. There's no sense of progression. No satisfaction derived from growing your character. I dropped my Barb at lvl 60 and went back to playing Last Epoch. This series peaked with D2.
>frick level scaling, I want to do pindle runs all day!
unironically yes. i want the option to run certain content without it always being a fricking slog because it's all scaled to my level. not to mention it destroys the sense of progression and feeling like you're becoming powerful that makes arpgs so fun. i hear they already fricking nerfed barbarian in d4 lmao.
no new arpg will ever beat pooe's atlas, gear, skill, etc progression system without heavily ripping it off.
this poe has the perfect endgame formula right now
I wouldn't say perfect. Just less shit than most of its competitors. I still prefer targeted farming in Grim Dawn over grinding currency in PoE. If i want to upgrade my weapon, i want to grind only that weapon, and not chaos/divines to then buy a better weapon (or craft it). Then again thats why i tend to enjoy SSF in PoE a lot more i guess.
>not to mention it destroys the sense of progression and feeling like you're becoming powerful that makes arpgs so fun.
This is why I play PoE. I love getting to maps and it feels a bit hard at first, but then I get better gear and level up more, and white maps start being a breeze, then yellows, then finally reds are fairly comfortable (with the potential to become trivial with good enough gear and gem levels and such), and you can always go back to those same white maps and comfy steam roll them and they still have the chance of giving you good loot even if it's not as much as juiced high red maps.
The concept of endgame is gay.
It means your game ends up at a place with finite content, players only using X and Y gear instead of A > X gear as well.
Elden Ring is perfect. You can pvp and stay level 1 literally and have endless fun, and can still progamer the game at that level 1. You don't NEED to level.
You can literally just level to be where you wanna be and play with peeps you wanna play with in the areas of the game you like the most.
When I played D1 when I was a kid in 1998 all anyone did was just play new chars at base level in Tristram and see how far they could get, and then come back to town at like level 10 and kill each other near the Butcher
>soulsshit
grim dawn has more positive threads active on Ganker than d4
let that sink in
Ganker is contrarian, nothing to see here
>popular thing is hated
I'm shocked. Pick any game or franchise. Ganker will even change opinion if it became popular after it was loved at first.
I'll tell you all a secret. Level scaling isn't actually scaling at all. The enemies are static and have the exact same stats regardless of your level.
You might think that is wrong because you're doing 100000 damage a hit when at level 1 you only did 10 damage a hit, but the secret is the damage numbers are fake. Your attacks are coded to remove a certain percentage of an enemies health (this percentage gets higher if you're got better gear) and the numbers are just made up bullshit to make it look like you're stronger.
It's an even lazier solution than level scaling, which still requires some math and balance. Everything is just static, the numbers exist to fool you.
shit game
you cna't get the knight penitent armour
Diablo 4 might be worse for ARPG fans idk but to me I am having so much more fan than anything I've played. It feels so satisfying to hit a pulverize and nothing I've tried compared. Especially POE that I tried so many times but it never feels good to kill shit.