With all the inflation we make less and less money every year on average so even if the prices had stayed the same it would still be more expensive than 30 years ago.
Diablo 1 and 2 were amazing but after destroying some much goodwill with Diablo 3, the mobile game and the character redesigns for the Diablo 2 Remaster, and the fact that Soulsborne games are by far superior to the Diablo series, I just don't care anymore.
>and the fact that Soulsborne games are by far superior to the Diablo series
What the frick does Dark Souls have to do with this? Do you have to bring it up in every thread?
Games are super hi def requiring exponentially greater detail on graphics resources, adjusted for inflation picrel cost $69.51. If anything video games cost way less than they should. Maybe get your money up homosexual and pay for your hobby like a real man.
I'm really feeling the urge to plat some arpg/looter, but 70 fricking dollars for the base version of a game? Yeah miss me withthat shit. Unless I see it for 40 dollars or slme shit in some shady keys site, i doubt i will play it till diablo 5 comes out
>after 30 years games now cost 10 dollars more >too expensive
Look at his mf kek, buy a pizza less tubby
Can't remember when the last time was that I paid more than 40.- for a game. Elden Ring was the exception, in years. So there is that. I just buy everything once it's heavily discounted.
All you homosexuals do is cry and not even about shit that makes sense. Like duuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr is that more than one color in my grimdark heckin gothic Diablorino for adults?? How about the music that encapsulates the first 2 games you pretend to like so much. Tell me how's that Diablo 4 ost coming?
To be honest, I don't have much interest in D4 and haven't watched the trailer at all. But I still know the lore from D1 and D2 better than anyone. That's not an angel, it's probably a Zakarum priestess. Let's talk about that.
In original Diablo lore, hunter-gatherer humans settled down around mana nodes in Kehjistan, awakening their arcane abilities. Of the original three clans, the Vizjerei were black (D1 sorcerer), and after a few millennia of homierdly business (and nearly destroying the world (twice)), they became the dominate force in the Eastern Kangdoms, which was basically black Aztec polytheist mage land.
Around the year 1,100 Anno Kehjistani, a century after the Prime Evils were sealed inside soulstones, an eastern man was visited by Archangel Yaerius and received the tenets of the Order of Light, which became the Church of Zakarum. Within 50 years, Zakarum dominated the entire East, so the Eastern Kingdoms rebranded as black Aztec Jerusalem mage lands, and they started pushing to spread Zakarum to the rest of the world. As a side note, Deckard Cain assures players that black Zakarum priestess pussy was a hot commodity in his youth. Zakarum Paladins were formed at that time. By 1,200, Mephisto started reawakening, causing the Times of Trouble for the Church, and an order of black paladin purists leave the capital to settle in the West, mixing with (white) Westmarch, which became basically Christian Ethiopia. That's where the D2 paladin comes from. From Westmarch, pilgrims and settlers spread Zakarum out to the other Western Kingdoms, like the Westmarch noble Leoric marching into the Khanduras and declaring himself its king.
What I'm getting at with this is that at least when Blizzard cared about cultural and racial coherency, whether it was East or West, Zakarum zealotry was first a black thing and then spread to whites. Black priestesses makes the most sense, but they should be in sexy aztec attire. Cain makes it clear, HOT commodity.
>nothing suggests she's an angel
I acknowledged that from the start. The point was just commenting, with a bit of history, why black priestesses make the most sense in old Diablo lore.
I thought the Vizjerei got absolutely fricked during and especially after the Mage Wars with the Viz-Jaqtar forming to hunt down and kill any survivors.
Vizjerei have been involved in multiple happenings and been repeated fricked because of them. The Mage Clan Wars had the least information. Introduced as a concept in D2, it was said to have nearly wiped the mage clans extinct. D2LoD expanded on it by mentioning every single mage clan on Sanctuary ended up involved, even the Druids that were sworn to never leave their college until the prophesied day. It's unknown what their actions entailed, but as a result the barbarians forsook their brother druids permanently afterward for their actions. That is all we knew about the Mage Clan Wars. The year and reasons are unknown. I speculate a bit that the lore for Lightning Spires and old mage fortresses suggest the Mage Clan Wars took place before demons were discovered (their traps only attack humans because sorcerers made them before they knew about demons). But there's no way of knowing for sure, and D3 threw out the idea of the Mage Clan War entirely by saying it was just the Brothers War.
The Brothers War, introduced in D1, was also the Vizjerei. It is the definitive example of the Sin War. Horazon of the Vizjerei, a powerful summoner, wanted to subjugate demons and exploit their power. His brother Bartuc of the Vizjerei wanted to ally with the demons and be taught their power freely. Their philosophies split the clan, Bartuc joined the demons, and they fought to the death. Horazon won, barely, and afterword exiled himself to his sanctuary with his clan in shambles. The few surviving Vizjerei swore off demonic magic forever, learning only elemental magic, and they created a secret mage clan to police themselves and all the other mage clans from similar mistakes: the Viz-Jaq'taar.
Before all that, Vizjerei fricked up again. Their clan magic was summoning spirits from other planes. Naturally, one day they summoned a demon from Hell. This act is what revealed the existence of Sanctuary to the Burning Hells, thus ruining Sanctuary forever.
To more directly answer your question, the Assassin backstory that talks about the Brothers War absolutely fricking the Vizjerei also says that happened in "In the third century". D2 takes place around 1265 Anno Kehjistani (that's the year the LoD manual says Baal attacked Mount Arreat). Likewise, D1 itself says it's been 1,000 years since then.
So the Vizjerei have had 1,000 years to bounce back since that war, and the D1 manual directly calls their present status one of the most dominant clans of the East. It also says they are the primary supplier (and inventor) of spell staves and identify scrolls that everyone depends on, so their business side is booming too.
>Are you excited for the next installment of the Diablo franchise?
No because Blizzard cant stop shitting the bed ever since it got merged with israelitectivision, diablo 3 was meh, diablo immortals was an insult to diablo players and an indication of what is Blizzard planning these days, and the previous Diablo 4 gameplay trailers showed a very dumbed down experience.
Also, Blizzard has rendered my Warcraft 3 copy unplayable and I can only play the pirated version of it. I will always hold a grudge for what they did to Warcraft 3 and I will never gonna buy a blizzard game again. Frick 'em.
Maybe you will, if D3 is anything to go buy the classes are tied to specific races of people, male wizards are Asian, male witch doctors are black (I think)
I'll play some beta if I'll be able to but likely won't buy it, I don't have much interest in arpg that has barely any build variability or itemization going on and cooldown based shit kills the genre. from all the videos the game looks exactly like reskinned diablo 3 where it matters the most i.e. combat and abilities, itemization already confirmed to be laughable chase of ever increasing base stats throughout the endless diff increase in endgame like d3, maybe they at least won't stick +9000% damage to *abilityname* uniques this time around we'll see, passive tree seems to be very tiny and simple too. I just don't think it has anything that exciting going on for it. Arpgs need to have many layers of complexity that you can interact with for endless grind to not feel as pointless and bland as it otherwise would be and d4 doesn't seem to have that in place, you just mulch some mobs, redress your dude in floor drops and go mulch the same mobs with buffed HP and damage to get the same floor drops with buffed atk and def.
> Always online.
Hard pass. The cyclical microlag in D3 because of it is enough once. I aint doing that again, or cash shops, leagues, scams and what basically amounts to a slot machine. Wake me when Crate drop Grim Dawn 2.
I have a 3080 and the closed betas didn't run very well, so I don't really believe this unless it's extremely scalable. Probably beta problems, but who knows.
The majority it seems? I don't know anyone who plays exclusively on console, everybody I know mainly plays on pc and they boot up their consoles when an exclusive comes out once every blue moon.
Sons of the forest pushe my 7900XTX fricking hard at 3440x1440 but has a 1050 at recommended.
Devs are starting to lie. Recommend used to be high/max settings at 60fps. Now its medium at achaic 1080p
other kind of trees but as someone with atleast 10k hours in d2 and probably the same in poe I have to say that d2's skill tree is the last thing I want to see in an arpg. everything into mainstat rest into synergie is pretty much as dumb as you can make it no thanks.
It's the diablo 3 gameplay again, with some additions, a revamped loot system + open world.
Diablo 2 is on the edge of tolerable speed.
Diablo 3 has always been ass and they are building on top of an ass system. It's too fast, too flashy and it has ragdoll enemies that makes your attacks seem weightless giving you that surreal, dull feeling of an asian mmorpg.
cope
D3 was to diablo, what league of legends was to dota - a notable downgrade in mechanics, atmosphere, loot, lore, weightless ragdolling, etc but with more flashy moves to keep zoomers playing.
It turn diablo from a grimdark game to an asian style looter smasher fit for consoles and phones alike.
Turning all potions into rejuvs on a cooldown
Removing runeword crafting and bastardizing runes into skill modifiers which you can only have one active at a time
Limited amount of equippable skills. No skill tree.
No inventory tetris, everything is 1 or 2 slots, items having no identity.
Stat growth is just you looking at a green arrow pointing up if something drops and numbers going up, instead of actually having to pick and choose pieces of gear dependant on the resistances, accuracy, health, mana, regen etc. that they give.
I've played mobile ARPG's better than D3, and they're all copies of D3, done better.
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agree with most of the complaints, but inventory tetris is lame as frick
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A big weapon size 5x2
Chest armor size 3x2
Boots 2x2
This gives identity to the items on the inventory. Having everything the same size is lame as frick.
Zoomers were 12 years old when D3 came out you tard, it clearly wasn't meant for them. And I know you are just shit talking to fit in because you didn't even talk about the auction house which was the actual worse thing about the game.
If I bring up the AH, you will immediately go to the standard cope of >Reaper of Souls remove it, it is better now
I am not trying to repeat the same conversation you D3 gays want to have forever.
It's never going to be as fast as D3 unless they add some crazy set and legendary effects. You won't be able to do bullshit like remove the CD on your movement skill or have infinite resource with the stats and types of legendary effects we've seen so far in D4.
How can a game as boring as D3 ever make your brain secrete dopamine?
D3 is legitimately the first game I've ever played where I actually fell asleep while playing it.
It's just so incredibly fricking boring and most repetitive ARPG I've ever experienced, not even PoE is that fricking monotonous.
And that was just me trying to play through the main story. Can't imagine the braindead morons grinding rifts hours on end for 0,1% gear improvements and repeating that shit every new ladder.
Magic of arpgs made for console users, D4 will be just like that but more expensive and with less stats to care about. I must admit D3 did one thing right which is nothing bad happens when you leave for a year, two years or more, you can come back whenever you like do some brain dead rift sessions and leave again but D4 on the other hand, just imagine missing all of these cash shop occasions or battle pass rewards or unique events or them achievements, don't you wanna miss a thing, right? Diablo 4 combines the worst of both mobile and console games
It is bad, but that's because it rushes you to endgame while also having a shitty endgame loop with very little variety. Anyone who thinks it's because of the gameplay is moronic.
the only whiners during launch were shitters crying about difficulty and making excuses for spending money in the rmah and they're the reason the awful loot 2.0 and massive damage boosting sets were implemented
mildly excited. it's the most effort from blizzard that we've seen since SC2. I could see it returning some good will, as long as the season passes remain optional and cosmetic.
I dunno...
I've played a good amount of D3 and I like it for what it is, but the gameplay videos for D4 look totally soulless.
Demon mommy is very cool and scary, though.
Very much, I've played D2 and D3 to death and I'm too dumb for PoE. I don't care if it's mediocre since it's very much a social game for me and my friends.
If you're talking about the errors and disconnects at launch then I have to say I had none of those issues. The game did become a hundred times better through patches and RoS which is probably the case for D4 as well.
no I am talking about the itemization ( it was all about rares ) and the abysmal balancing ( it literally took 20-30 minutes of kiting an elite pack to clear them out, and good fricking luck if you rolled a melee character )
oh boy i can twait for diablo 4 oh man oh geeze i sure do wanna run around finding farming spots in the open world only to see Captain_Thuggernuts_420 whirlwinding everything as it respawns in my totally singleplayer game thats totally singleplayer. golly gee willickers.
You know, when I look at these developers in this room. I see the whitest room I have ever seen. This, this can't be the right thing. We need to do something against it. We need to blackify the entire cast.
The left one is Asian, the right one is half-Asian, and the middle one has a really strange nose, so I classify him as a israelite.
Therefore you are factually wrong and will be prosecuted by Activision lawyers for racist remarks.
Diablo is dead to me. Removing LAN play and making single player online only. Making things shittier when they could better is not a direction that should be taken.
Looks like 3 but even more basic but with a halfway decent artstyle. I'd rather wait for PoE2 and PoE1 has been going down the shitter for a few years now.
I am excited, but the moment I see any pronouns or other woke trash like a plethora of homosexuals and trannies in it like they did with Dragonflight I will stop being excited really fast.
The battlepass shit at least guarantees that the seasons won't be double goblins or double blood shards like 3 and actually have substance. Now hopefully they keep the "login for your daylies" bullshit to a minimum.
Idk I'm not preordering but I'll keep an eye out.
I heard something about a paragon system, if it's the same thing as 3 the leaderboards are already dead.
It's not the same paragon system but kind of works out the same in practice. You can find shrines around the world or some shit that give you an account wide buff to your characters.
What I was getting at is that infinite grinding mechanics that can be botted will kill any competition. You could argue that gear is one but after some point it reaches a cap and changes are miniscule. Now how much this shrine thing plays a role remains to be seen.
Looks like they're being really aggressive with monetization this time around. If it was 60 bucks for the base game, sure; no questions asked. 70 bucks and microtransactions/season passes is pretty bullshit. They're testing the waters and I'm sure they'll get away with it and reinforce this dumb $70 standard publishers are trying to set. Fricking stupid.
It doesn't seem like that big a deal to me. 4 days in the span of a game that people are going to be playing on-and-off for years is whatever. Just ActiBlizz cashing in on FOMO since morons will fall for it.
It's just a perceived pseudo competition. It's not a race where need to score or something. Leagues or seasons with new temporal characters start later on as far as I know.
So just check social media the first day to see if people like the game, and you don't run into getting spoilered something.
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I just did it for comedic value. Don't interpret too much into it.
>Already paying 10€ more than before for a newly released game >Still doesn't qualify me for playing on release
It just blows my mind
I agree it's a scumbag move to not just release the game for everybody 4 days earlier for everybody, but still. Scumbag publishing company has scumbag business/marketing practices. What else is new?
It's just a perceived pseudo competition. It's not a race where need to score or something. Leagues or seasons with new temporal characters start later on as far as I know.
So just check social media the first day to see if people like the game, and you don't run into getting spoilered something.
The left one is Asian, the right one is half-Asian, and the middle one has a really strange nose, so I classify him as a israelite.
Therefore you are factually wrong and will be prosecuted by Activision lawyers for racist remarks.
I just did it for comedic value. Don't interpret too much into it.
Who gives a shit about 4 days early access. Im not touching this for the sole reason of 70$+mtx+bp, anyone buying into this hates games and is fine with games industry going to shit
It looks sort of like d2 (except without the high contrast which was central to the art direction), but it doesn't sound like d2, and the diablo ii soundtrack is an eternal masterpiece
i don't know if it's zoomers or consoletards, but complaining about monetization in diablo after 3 launched with a fricking real money auction house will never not be funny
>always have to be a barbarian or crusader or paladin of some kind >can't be a straight up warrior like in the first game
Don't get me wrong, they're all cool in their own way but I don't like how ''barbarian'' is becoming the default melee guy
BUT....I guess in the scope of diablo a barbarian is one of the only crazy bastard martials that would be insane to be like ''Yeah, i'll take on diablo.''
Well, what separates a warrior from a barbarian - setting aside shit like d&d
they're both guys that fight physically
they can both wear heavy armor
They're both typically low magic (For Diablo, at least)
I think it's a weird semantic to get caught up on when it literally doesn't matter
Stop being dishonest. You know the thematic differences between barbarians and warriors. It's like if someone wants to play a frost mage and then you go "bro fire mages wear robes and a staff and casts spells too they're the same" Fricking love Paladins but I'm pretty tired of Barbarians myself.
underrated. the lore of this IP is so utterly ridiculous and over the place that the mere idea of someone giving a microscopic shit about it makes my sides launch into orbit
Last Epoch has been dropping the ball a bit so I hope D4 fills in the loot grind shoes well for me. I really dislike PoE so that's not an option for me.
Grim Dawn was great fun but super burnt out on it at this point. How are those D2 overhaul fan mods?
What's Last Epoch doing wrong currently, or are they just developing the game too slowly? Going by the skill/build planner, it looks like a mix of multiple arpgs, which looks promising. It's in my cart right now.
It's very fun and the class system/build making is addicting, but as of late they're focusing way too much on multiplayer stuff instead of actually finishing the last few subclasses. Also the game is still very poorly optimized and could use more endgame variety.
Sounds nice so far. But I can understand that it's frustrating when they haven't added the missing classes after a long time.
Are you able to change your build later on in this game, or are you locked once you put points into the passive tree?
Different anon, but i dropped the game because of how bad it runs, whats worse it doesnt look that good in the first place. Cant imagine how shit it will run in multiplayer
>no runes, sets, or ancient legendaries until MAYBE August after results from a closed game test AFTER the game "releases", according to the devs
Uh yeah, frick you Blizzard I don't think so.
Also the community is like a pack of moronic animals because of D2R and Immortal drawing normals.
i've never played Diablo when it was at it's peak of popularity, and the only hack and slash games i played were Sacred 1 and Titan Quest and loved them, but when i tried playing Diablo 1+2 and 3 i just dropped each after few hours
i think this type of game is not my thing anymore, im pretty sure if i played Diablo when i was i kid i'd love it like everyone else
I just hope they don't go "no fun allowed" because of pvp. Like movement and skills getting nerfed affecting my fun in pve just because some shit is "op" in pvp. I hope they hire the dude that is helming D3 at the moment because he just said "frick it" and for years buffed items and builds like crazy upping the power fantasy to eleven. With every 10 buffs he had 1 nerf. D4 team is 100% going the opposite route with 10 nerfs for every 1 buff.
They either do "no fun allowed" because of pvp or the pvp will be so shitty that nobody will bother playing it. They shouldn't have bothered putting pvp in at all if they aren't sacrificing something to make it fun.
>collector's edition without the game >70$ for the game, pay more if you want to have advantage over other players (activision starts with p2w) >10$ battle pass >50$ for dlc 15$ for new character (at very least, these were D3 prices) >premium currency with all *cool* transmog, mounts and wings behind paywall >open world exists only for whales to show off (you have to give them a reason to buy skins, right?) >Always online mode >The game is made for Xbox so its another hit 2 buttons and watch things die title with as little interaction as possible >trade limited to white trash >starts with 5 difficulties (can't wait to see what they prepared for torment 21!) >gameplay itself is same D3 number porn go up bullshit >smart loot >legendaries, ancient legendaries, mythical gear, its WoW all over again >collect your Powers like its pokemon go >loot showers on higher difficulties >just like in D3 there will be just one meta build for the quickest as possible greater ri.... I mean nightmare dungeons farm >no sets (don't worry they will add them through loot boxes at some point) >minority pandering makes this *dark medieval fantasy* game look like Los Angeles/New York we love today >wypipo are demons, black people save the day, other races like always are forgotten >no diablo in diablo game >game made by underpaid hindu programmers led by Californian activists
I just hope that after harsh divorce between China and Activision we get to see more gay inclusion in Diablo IV as there is nothing more beautiful than two males doing some WoW tier gay stuff. Anyway, this game will sell millions even though it deserves nothing.
>collector's edition without the game
Easily explainable through fiascos in the past where they sold out, or people wanted to get it, after having bought the game, are fricked due to buying another copy with it.
I'd rather see the industry just sell merchandise individually. Not that I ever buy any of that stuff.
>not poor >PC runs it also on consoles >last Diablo game was a decade ago >don't care about the state of cultural war and late stage capitalism on vidya
why wouldn't I or the 10+ million people that will buy it, not buy it?
No.
I'm more excited to see how its microtransactions compare to diablo immoral's ones than I'm about trying it out when it inevitably goes below -50% on sale.
Does anyone under 30 care? I mean when was blizz good? It has to be at least a decade ago since they went downhill and their height is probably 20 years ago by now.
So i cant imagine anyone but nostalgiagays invested in what blizz does
I just like arpg, they are mindless fun. I don't have much nostalgia for diablo at all and I still enjoyed playing 3 and 2 resurrected when they came out.
Don't have much faith in current blizzard that bieng said.
highjacking this thread
if you were to make a diablo clone >what would you like to include that current blizz games dont? >what would you immediately eliminate? >any QoL elements you feel games don't address?
Loot pets/auto pick up should be mandatory at this point. The same applies to reducing redundant busywork like needing to sort everything in your box. Just make a currency and material tab that collects everything out of your inventory.
I wish the genre would advance toward twin stick shooters that rely more on manual dodges than gear checks.
Don't have much faith for Diablo 4. Loot systems are categorically bad, and Diablos 1 and 2 were good in spite of having one.
Low IQ developers, when designing Diablo 3, thought to themselves, "What is Diablo about? Oh it's about loot!" And thus one of the most boring games ever made was created. Diablo 2 also gets boring towards Hell difficulty because that's when your loot starts mattering a lot.
Diablo 4's previews have focused a lot on the loot system, which is how to tell the game will going to suck.
I can't stress enough that people who think Diablo games are about loot are too stupid to understand what's fun about video games
i understand what you mean but you're crazy if you think there isnt some expansive endgame loot that takes 700 hours to grind. the most valuable thing a game can dominate these days is your time.
Or is D2 the model game which developers point to and say something like "see how addicted they are to this system? this is how we can turn that into more value for us" etc.?
>check out Diablo 2 for gothic atmosphere >Act 2 is Arab deserts: greatest hits >fighting pygmies and shit in random ass jungles by act 3
Why did they lie to me, where's the gothic kino?
yes
even if the itemization and end-game is shit, diablo 4 is going to have tight gameplay, great atmosphere and probably a fun campaign. At its absolute WORST i'll get like 3 weeks of fun out of it and so it will be worth the price
i expect diablo 4 at launch to be just 'the foundation' of a service game and be pretty barebones in terms of systems. As it is a service game I do expect them to actually support the game long-term unlike D3. After 8 or so seasons of development it'll likely be a great ARPG
this. I remember how disappointed almost every diablo 2 player was after the released 3 and how almost everyone switched either back to d2 or to poe which had a closed beta around d3's release.
I was in that Poe beta very early on. I remember people lauding GGG like the modern day messiahs of ARPGs. Everything they did back then was oozing soul and hardcore d2 understanding.
It's a shame what the game became, but they had a very good run until they became villains themselves.
>became
dunno man. as someone who played every league since closed beta I have to say that I believe the game got better with time. it used to had almost no endgame, rollbacks and the gameplay was literally a snooze fest
Are you considering a less soul-crushing occupation than marketing corporate products on a forum even more shitty than the videogame subreddit and visited mainly by sad losers and teenagers? Why/why not?
Not excited. The game will only give a 200~300 hour fun cycle, I don't believe that Blizzard can make actual good seasons to keep the replay actually good without doing heavy bloat/powercreep, at least I can go to PoE after 1 year away and feel like the game is new with new additions to endgame.
>200-300h
sorry to burst your bubble but thats a high amount of copium because I have to agree with you. for a game like that 200-300h is supposed to be nothing. they already said that it will take around 150hours for a normie to reach level 100 (50 base level + max paragon level), an experienced player will reach it in less. drops seem to be balanced between d2 and d3 and actually believe even d2 had casual drop rates let alone d3.
Lol, really? I am not following the updates, so the game will be worst than D3 on launch, there will be hype for probably 1-2 months till the new PoE league and people start memeing again "playtruediablo4.com" that redirects to PoE website.
can't wait for the servers to eventually die off when blizzards done milking it so you can't play it again, depriving you of the ownership rights you paid for
meanwhile you can still play original d1 and 2 anytime
Imagine making threads like this about a "game" YOU WILL NEVER OWN and which will be taken from you even if your internet goes out and thinking any "discussion" about it will come off as organic
Occasionally i see the argument that "oh well D1 and D2 still have servers up D4 will be fine" disregarding the fact that they use P2P connections and don't rely on a central server
Either that or "dude its 2023 surely you have internet lmoa"
That was never the point. i have a good, stable connection, but it's pretty fricking useless when the servers are either under maintenance or just downright fricking up on blizzards end (which will probably happen on launch).
You will likely never be able to play this game again in future, cause god forbid they let you create private servers or LAN games. They'll just completely rip out the servers, and you won't be able to play the game you paid for, in both the upfront cost + any microtransactions they might have suckered you into.
We're "lucky" I guess, since we'll be able to play the game while it's being supported and its the 'current thing'. But what if years down the line you want to revisit it, or someone discovers D4 and wants to play it for the first time? That's how I played D1 and D2, since i wasn't even born when they came out. That will likely never happen for D4. All the time, money, and effort that artists, programmers, etc put in to these Games as a Service is more often than not futile since it's shut down anyway with no option to keep playing. That doesn't even mention the actual legal ramifications of the whole thing
I grew up watching my big sis and big bro play diablo 2 but for some reason never played it myself until a couple years ago when my "diablo" was shit like Sacred Gold, FATE, Titan Quest and Torchlight before I actually played diablo 1 and 2
Now imagine it was impossible for me to play neither of these games because of them being online-only
At least when diablo 4 inevitably shuts down nothing of value will be lost
diablo 4 will fail at launch and all the disappointed players will come back to poe 2 which will release a few months after d4. it will literally be the same shit that happened with d3.
And fricking battle pass, these frickers are triple dipping and somehow there are homosexuals that are defending it saying how its only cosmetics. You can bet stash tabs, skill resets and other qol shit will be locked behind those paywalls. And ofc the whole game is mmo lite, because how else will other players show off their sick cosmetics and make other people buy them. The whole game disgust me and id strangle every person who buys it
I got the game for wow gold and even I am having buyers regret lol. Gear is attack power and defense power shit. The game seems to emphasize engagement metrics and the fricking mats gathering sounds boring as frick.
i really like the look of it but i fricking hate nuBlizzard
the fact that they turned it into an mmo-lite also fricking sucks
very conflicted about this one
On a scale of 1 to Dragonflight, just how pozzed will this garbage be? Did anyone her play the closed beta? Were the side quests full of >muh husband from male chars bullshit?
>the cuckold keeps believing that the californian femoids were actually "harassed"
lol
lmao even
Because of basedboys like you this outrage actually forced blizzard to pozz up Warcraft, censor it and turn it into a walking troony joke. Literally commit suicide and stop playing the hero for prostitutes trying to suck their way up the corporate ladder. They won't have sex with you, they'd rather be "raped" by rich and powerful men.
Not overly keen on the endgame from D3 onwards, or newer ARPGs in general. I'm assuming that D4 will be the same.
D2 was maybe limited endgame wise admittedly, eg once i get my enigma, any BiS items, it's sorta done by then aside from grinding to 99 on baal runs, but i'd rather just start a new character instead and repeat Normal, NM, and Hell all over again
once i finished diablo 3 and just saw how mindless it got in regards to rifts and bounties i just lost interest, i maybe did a couple of each and stopped playing. Never quite got into that kind of gameplay, just watching numbers go up. It's also why i don't like borderlands
well they’re going back to a max level 100 like D2. Paragon points start at level 50 and they are capped too. I dont really like grinding either. As long as there are a good number of builds for each class, that and seasonal fomo will mean ill pump a fair few hours into this
This game will make or break the series to me. It better be fricking incredible after all the god damn money they made (combined with all the salt they generated) w/ Diablo Immortal. The gameplay vids all look fricking stellar so I'm sure it's gonna be a blast, but if its not then im going to unalive myself in minecraft in front of my fricking wife and kids
Recently asked my friends the same question during our annual LAN, and they were all "yeah, nah" and kind of disgusted that I would even ask such a thing, given Blizzard is pretty much dead now and the complete Diablo 3 fiasco.
Everyone knows blizz for being low hanging, uninspired and pozzed fruit. I very much doubt they can garner any interest in this dogshit, even before anyone who looks it up sees all the microtransactions and other shit they've set it up with.
Considering you can't refund on their shitty storefront I doubt it, but if you could then they wouldn't be able to recoup their losses from yet another woke blizzturd disaster.
I am looking forward to it because i enjoyed 1, 2 and 3 a lot. Yes i had fun with 3 on release and while i do not play these games for years i always dump a couple hundred hours into them.
Wasn't the original Blizzard North design ideas for their Diablo 3 a more online experience? I'm not a fan of always online and there should be an offline version, at the same time this seems a bit more, well warranted isn't the word, but I understand this being always online more than the Diablo 3 we got being always online.
I certainly don't see me returning to the game as often as the first two.
>nu-blizzard
Only thing to get excited about are the shitpost threads
This game even now is already full price + battle pass + cash shop
Also looks like D3 with a filter
>79.99 for a live service game >MMO lite diablo >will probably have battlepass and fomo cosmetics
probably not even counting how bad they already butchered the story. god I hate nu blizzard
>fomo cosmetics
This is what pisses me off the most with modern gaming. Not being able to play at your own pace or take a 6 month break without missing items permanently.
i will never play a single blizzard game ever again in my life after what they've done to every franchise they created doing nothing but spitting everyone in their face for years on end, once i snapped im never going back, frick you and your games
Anyone who gets unironically excited for Blizzard stuff in current year despite all of the shit they have pulled are hopeless, bottom feeders that deserve what they get.
yeah it was pretty alright but they're already determined to ruin it of course by starting to patch the game that over 20 fricking years old nerfing things or changing them, but for what purpose? just leave it the frick alone you dumb fricking Black folk, if something works, why change it?
the fact that people are asking for something doesnt mean the devs should give it to them. but then you have wow and the game suffering from countless problems for years on end with wonderful feedback from the community (sometimes) that they just straight up ignored every single expansion until shit got out of control, numbers started falling down and they went into full damage control having to swallow their ego down. constant issue between having spineless devs not knowing what to do and licking their playerbases buttholes like path of exile listening to redditors all the time or stubborn egocentric idiots who think they're doing whats best for their game until they straight up kill the game, so fricking tiring
the squeaky wheel gets the oil seems more and more apparent as time has gone on
1 year ago
Anonymous
oh thats pretty much obvious and easily visible, considering that pretty much every single AAA title coming out in the past few years is clearly unfinished, bugged, unbalanced or unpolished. back in the days when you released a shitty game it got pointed at, laughed at, devastated by the journalists which weren't lobotomized and then thrown into a trash where it belonged. and nobody, nobody would talk about it ever again, unless bringing up a disastrous story never to be repeated again. but nowdays its fine, you're paying a solid fricking chunk of money for unfinished mess thats just going to get fixed in the future patches, right? or is it? we'll see, that depends on the devs of course! this is unbelievable and the fact that people are fine with shit like that makes it so that the video games will never get better again, devs will continue shitting into everyones mouths and they will keep thanking them for it
Nope. Did anyone notice they went back to D3 lighting and some model designs? Doesn't look as gritty or dark as they first showed us. It's like they gave up halfway to go with that animation and are style all chink games use. Which leads me to believe they outsourced some of the work from Asia.
Fog is a cop out for detail. It's definitely atmospheric if used right be it to make you feel isolated and unsettled or make a forest seem mysterious and ancient but judging by the change to the lighting system from the alpha to now, they needed something to cover up all the missing details you can now plainly see. I was more stoked on the art style than anything and after D2 remastered I had high hopes but this is looking so bad now.
I'm not sold on the open world MMO style. I'm worried it'll turn out like WoW where you have a weekly incentive to log in and do your "chores" before you can go do the things you really want. The battlepass also seems to imply this will have some kind of FOMO attached to it. That stuff is evil and will make your life worse. It's like a second job.
I'm pre-ordering Diablo 4.
Not because I want to play the game.
Or even because I want it to be succesful.
No.
I am pre-ordering Diablo 4 for the good of Path of Exile 2.
If Diablo 4 is succesful enough in sales, Chris will get scared. He will get off his ass to make Path of Exile 2 faster, and make it better.
Therefore, if you want to encourage Chris to improve his game, you too, should pre-order Diablo 4.
Look, you morons need to stop living in the past and willingly getting milked by these fricking companies. You won't, and gaming is dying because of it. Thanks. Frick you.
You know what's funny? A year ago, I would have told you 100% that Path of Exile was everything that Diablo wished it could be and was on such an upwards trajectory while D4 was obviously just going to be a fricking garbage pile PC version of Diablo Immortal, grubbing for microtransaction and trade cash while not having any idea what to actually do to make their game fun.
And honestly, I still think it might be. But Path of Exile has shot itself in the dick and probably won't ever find a way back into relevance. And the issue is that literally no one with any level of game design competence or care works at Blizzard, so the idea of them making a playable game is basically ridiculous.
So yeah, will I buy D4? Maybe discounted, maybe if there's a million positive reviews and shit showing it off as not a horrid mess of fecal waste. But that's pretty unlikely.
That's really hard to explain unless you actually are familiar with the game in a larger context.
The short version is that what the players enjoy about PoE is killing things, getting lots of loot, using that loot to either craft better gear or sell for currency to buy better gear, and then being able to sustainably kill even more things for way more loot. 99.9% of the playerbase agrees that the game is at its' best when loot is plentiful and builds are relatively easy to get working.
GGG on the other hand, seems to be 100% convinced that the game is most fun when enemies are nearly impossible to kill, when loot is extremely scarce, and when it's hard to sustainbly farm anything because map drops are garbage. They seem to want the game to be slower, with more one-shot deaths from enemies you can't even hurt, and who after you spend 10 minutes chipping away at their health and avoiding one-shot deaths, explode into a shower of either nothing, or completely worthless shit like basic flasks. Oh and they also randomly decided to flip the entire economy by changing the base trade currency for a different one.
GGG is just trying to dig themselves out of the hole they've dug for themselves consistently designing the game to be more and more about rushing to endgame and destroying your entire screen with a single click.
I liked the game most when it felt cohesively designed near release and beta and it just feels like it's gotten more and more and more bloated over time like WoW did, I wish they'd just release an actual sequel built from the ground up but they'll never do that.
I don't think they can undo their previous design decisions the way they're trying to with just targeted patches, and it'll certainly not do much for people like you who still play the game now.
I know you say that, but the fact is that you DON'T want the game to be slow, plodding, lootless and RIP-y. If you did, you would play Hardcore SSF and never wear any gear.
Either your ARPG is about slow, precise and tactical combat, or it's about blasting through enemies and being showered with loot. And in a game where you literally need to be pulling the slot machine lever as many times as possible because of how RNG-dependant every piece of gear is as far as trading and crafting, then you can not ever, ever have a slow and lootless game. The concepts are just not compatible.
If you want the game to play as slow as it did at launch, then every enemy and mechanic needs to drop 10x as much stuff, because otherwise who the frick is going to play when it takes you the full 3 (now more like 7) months of the league just to finish a single craft? The people who claim to like the game slower are the people who never actually do any of the game's content.
I said what they're trying to do, I didn't say what they're doing right now is making the game better or that I'm having fun with it.
I DO want the game to be slower, and what I'd like is probably what you'd call plodding, I want normal enemies to be more of a factor again so arguably more rippy but I want high end enemies and league mechanics and bad combos to be less rippy and more balanced around hardcore. >If you did, you would play Hardcore SSF
I did actually try to get into that, though the current state of the game doesn't even feel good for that. >Either your ARPG is about slow, precise and tactical combat
Which is what I want. >or it's about blasting through enemies and being showered with loot
Which is what you want.
You see we have the problem of wanting different games, I think. GGG can't really appease both crowds at once with the same game, I think. They know they're losing people like me but they don't even understand how to get that back and they're pissing off people like you doing it.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>They know they're losing people like me but they don't even understand how to get that back and they're pissing off people like you doing it.
This is what the whole major shitstorm that happened with Kalandra and onwards was. They tuned basic mechanics and enemies way too high, and they turned rewards into nothing. And I don't care if you're someone who just wants to blast through endless hordes of mooks with one button, or you want to feel like you're going toe-to-toe with an enemy as strong as you are, the fact is that when your maps have these hyper-powerful mobs with nearly indestructible combinations of modifiers on them that can kill you with a thought, and you spend multiple minutes fighting one only to be rewarded with a bunch of basic flasks or armor shards, you're going to be fricking pissed.
If GGG wants the game to be slower and more challenging, they can't do it while also having a gearing and progression system that needs to be constantly fed a stream of loot drops and trade currency in order to get anywhere. And players don't want to have to farm 10-20 Tier 5 maps just to get a single Teir 6 map to drop. You can't just scale loot drops back to basically nothing, and then expect people to just say "Well, I guess this is how it is now." and continue playing.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>If GGG wants the game to be slower and more challenging, they can't do it while also having a gearing and progression system that needs to be constantly fed a stream of loot drops and trade currency in order to get anywhere
Yeah, the problem is they're trying to change years of slow updates with just a couple patches and some instant changes, to make any of the things they want work they have to change a million other things and it's hard to keep track of all of it and do it all at once.
Every ARPG eventually devolves into teleporting/running around at the speed of light but I would want the game to be slower than it is at the moment. I don't expect to see any difference until PoE 2 though since they will just use leagues until then to test how players react to changes. Hopefully they shake up the meta so no one knows what is good in PoE 2 which in itself makes the game a lot slower
No >Why or why not?
Because it's from Blizzard and the name Diablo means nothing anymore because of them. I have to be sold on it all over again from scratch like you would have to do with a complete unknown game.
I understand that Israeli-American-Jews love Black folk but this forced political agenda and LGBT homosexualry with Lilith is something that doesn't belong in video games.
>D4 director and lead designer leave mid project >perpetual employee churn since then
yeah, i'm sure it's going to turn out great lol. thats why the previews theyre dropping 2 weeks before the prerelease beta is nearly identical to the shit they showed 3 years ago and 80% just inventing new terms for shit thats already existed since d2
Yeah the reason I can never be hyped of anything D4 claims to be doing is because I know that, despite all the shit they're trying to say they improved or innovated or designed, it's still made by Blizzard. And Blizzard stopped being a real company populated by real developers a long time ago, and has been a woke beehive of morons, clout-chasing social-media girls, and diversity hires for like 10 years now. I don't trust a single person in that building to develop anything.
no
itemization is complete garbage
making it 'dark and gory' will not make it good
also apparently the gameplay isn't even engaging so without good itemization it's going to be extra dog doo
Everything after Diablo II is garbage.
Everything after WarCraft III is garbage.
Everything after the 1st StarCraft is garbage.
Blizzard took a step into oblivion the moment they released WoW, got bought up by ActiVision, allowed it to influence them and slowly cut away from their roots.
At least Lost Vikings and Blackthorne will not suffer due to them not being as popular anymore.
Sure why not
based
It's a bit expensive for me now when I have tons of backlog games. ;_;
Is this canon Lilith?
>blizzard in 2023
Against my better judgment, yes. Though I won't be pre-ordering it or anything. Excited to try the open beta
You need to preorder to get acess to the "open" beta
Only the first weekend, the second weekend is a true open beta. It's actually pretty promising that they're having open beta testing I think.
uh no, if you preorder you have access to the "closed" beta the first weekend
no
pre order gets you the "closed" beta, the open beta is a week later
This.
I've been playing since Diablo 1, I can't help it.
Same
I will try the open beta, hate to give nublizzard money, so might get it on some sale/second-hand in a few years
Slightly, but it's too expensive. I'll judge it from the open beta.
>after 30 years games now cost 10 dollars more
>too expensive
Look at his mf kek, buy a pizza less tubby
$50 is too much for a game with 3 different editions + mtx and tip
>after 30 years games now cost 10 dollars more
And quality-wise, they are worth 10 dollars less.
>And quality-wise, they are worth 10 dollars less.
and value-wise, money is worth half less so what's your point?
With all the inflation we make less and less money every year on average so even if the prices had stayed the same it would still be more expensive than 30 years ago.
Diablo 1 and 2 were amazing but after destroying some much goodwill with Diablo 3, the mobile game and the character redesigns for the Diablo 2 Remaster, and the fact that Soulsborne games are by far superior to the Diablo series, I just don't care anymore.
>and the fact that Soulsborne games are by far superior to the Diablo series
What the frick does Dark Souls have to do with this? Do you have to bring it up in every thread?
>NOOOO I CAN'T HANDLE SOULS GAMES THEY FILTERED ME TOO HARD
Skill issue.
Kek dark souls is an onimusha knock off and the setting is incoherent and stinks of onions sauce.
>onions sauce.
newbie got filtered.
No as it's going to be a worse Diablo 3 which already was pretty bad
I think it will be better than diablo 3.
No. Frick Blizzard.
FRICKING 70 GOD DAMN DOLLARS? I FRICKING HATE THIS BULLSHIT! THIS STUPID DURR DURR DURR WE NEED 10 MORE DOLLARS BECASE WE JUST DO LOL!!!
FRICKING KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIKES!
Games are super hi def requiring exponentially greater detail on graphics resources, adjusted for inflation picrel cost $69.51. If anything video games cost way less than they should. Maybe get your money up homosexual and pay for your hobby like a real man.
bad bait, eat shit.
Your mamas pussy is bad bait cuz nobody wants it.
your mother swallowed you and you still came out 9 months later from her ass.
Isn't this the guy that got killed by a another guy with a shotgun?
Nah, hes the one who killed that other guy.
>hi def requiring exponentially greater detail on graphics resources
b***h the rec specs are a 970 KEK
Adjusting for inflation, "people" like this anon are owed a bullet firmly lodged in their brain.
I'll pay the adjusted inflation price when my salary is adjusted for inflation.
yeah i'm not buying it cause of this. i'll wait for a meme sale
Same, I basically just don't buy AAA games anymore unless they're 50% off at the very least.
for me the problem isn't the $70 upfront, it's the $70000 you will need for the cash shop
another low information gamer
Blame Sony for normalizing this practise
its $110 for the standard edition here
You should be aware of inflation in general by now.
?
N64 games were pretty expensive at some point too because of the cartridge
I'm really feeling the urge to plat some arpg/looter, but 70 fricking dollars for the base version of a game? Yeah miss me withthat shit. Unless I see it for 40 dollars or slme shit in some shady keys site, i doubt i will play it till diablo 5 comes out
And yet these are the people that dont hesitate to spend a hundred bucks on goyschlopp without hesitation.
>Haha i replied with a stock image and a stupid comment
>noo not my hecking 10 dollarinos, noooooo
How do I know you are obese?
>Haha you morons will give them money
>no
>HAHAHAHAH YOU"RE POOR!
This website is 18+.
What will you buy with the 10 dollars you saved from Diablo 4? A Big Mac? Crunchy chicken? I heard the new McFlurry is pretty good!
i have to buy your sisters pussy. she's a cheap prostitute.
rekt
BTFO HAHAHAHAHBAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>No new posters in the thread
We now know you are obese and you dont have 10 dollars, u mad bro?
Can't remember when the last time was that I paid more than 40.- for a game. Elden Ring was the exception, in years. So there is that. I just buy everything once it's heavily discounted.
Blizzard does not have the capability to create good videogames. It will be soulless trash, just like Diablo 3 was.
>Waaaaaaah wah waaaah
>waaaaah wah wah wah
>waaaah waaaah waaaah wah.
All you homosexuals do is cry and not even about shit that makes sense. Like duuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr is that more than one color in my grimdark heckin gothic Diablorino for adults?? How about the music that encapsulates the first 2 games you pretend to like so much. Tell me how's that Diablo 4 ost coming?
it will be a fun game for 20 hours at worst so sure
Chiltara and suck my fricking wiener, she’s GONNA give up that gibbering gemstone.
I have no hope that it'll be any good, but maybe blizzard will surprise me and put out something good.
23 years between games Is a long time
Diablo sisters.....we wuz angels n shiet...
Dropped
To be honest, I don't have much interest in D4 and haven't watched the trailer at all. But I still know the lore from D1 and D2 better than anyone. That's not an angel, it's probably a Zakarum priestess. Let's talk about that.
In original Diablo lore, hunter-gatherer humans settled down around mana nodes in Kehjistan, awakening their arcane abilities. Of the original three clans, the Vizjerei were black (D1 sorcerer), and after a few millennia of homierdly business (and nearly destroying the world (twice)), they became the dominate force in the Eastern Kangdoms, which was basically black Aztec polytheist mage land.
Around the year 1,100 Anno Kehjistani, a century after the Prime Evils were sealed inside soulstones, an eastern man was visited by Archangel Yaerius and received the tenets of the Order of Light, which became the Church of Zakarum. Within 50 years, Zakarum dominated the entire East, so the Eastern Kingdoms rebranded as black Aztec Jerusalem mage lands, and they started pushing to spread Zakarum to the rest of the world. As a side note, Deckard Cain assures players that black Zakarum priestess pussy was a hot commodity in his youth. Zakarum Paladins were formed at that time. By 1,200, Mephisto started reawakening, causing the Times of Trouble for the Church, and an order of black paladin purists leave the capital to settle in the West, mixing with (white) Westmarch, which became basically Christian Ethiopia. That's where the D2 paladin comes from. From Westmarch, pilgrims and settlers spread Zakarum out to the other Western Kingdoms, like the Westmarch noble Leoric marching into the Khanduras and declaring himself its king.
What I'm getting at with this is that at least when Blizzard cared about cultural and racial coherency, whether it was East or West, Zakarum zealotry was first a black thing and then spread to whites. Black priestesses makes the most sense, but they should be in sexy aztec attire. Cain makes it clear, HOT commodity.
>D1-2 "lore"
>Clinging to anything made by Blizz North
It's all been retconned moron.
>caring about anything made by Blizzard Entertainment
>caring about Blizz Ent's """retcons"""
lol
nothing suggests she's an angel, maybe watch the trailer before commenting to troll post.
>nothing suggests she's an angel
I acknowledged that from the start. The point was just commenting, with a bit of history, why black priestesses make the most sense in old Diablo lore.
I thought the Vizjerei got absolutely fricked during and especially after the Mage Wars with the Viz-Jaqtar forming to hunt down and kill any survivors.
Vizjerei have been involved in multiple happenings and been repeated fricked because of them. The Mage Clan Wars had the least information. Introduced as a concept in D2, it was said to have nearly wiped the mage clans extinct. D2LoD expanded on it by mentioning every single mage clan on Sanctuary ended up involved, even the Druids that were sworn to never leave their college until the prophesied day. It's unknown what their actions entailed, but as a result the barbarians forsook their brother druids permanently afterward for their actions. That is all we knew about the Mage Clan Wars. The year and reasons are unknown. I speculate a bit that the lore for Lightning Spires and old mage fortresses suggest the Mage Clan Wars took place before demons were discovered (their traps only attack humans because sorcerers made them before they knew about demons). But there's no way of knowing for sure, and D3 threw out the idea of the Mage Clan War entirely by saying it was just the Brothers War.
The Brothers War, introduced in D1, was also the Vizjerei. It is the definitive example of the Sin War. Horazon of the Vizjerei, a powerful summoner, wanted to subjugate demons and exploit their power. His brother Bartuc of the Vizjerei wanted to ally with the demons and be taught their power freely. Their philosophies split the clan, Bartuc joined the demons, and they fought to the death. Horazon won, barely, and afterword exiled himself to his sanctuary with his clan in shambles. The few surviving Vizjerei swore off demonic magic forever, learning only elemental magic, and they created a secret mage clan to police themselves and all the other mage clans from similar mistakes: the Viz-Jaq'taar.
Before all that, Vizjerei fricked up again. Their clan magic was summoning spirits from other planes. Naturally, one day they summoned a demon from Hell. This act is what revealed the existence of Sanctuary to the Burning Hells, thus ruining Sanctuary forever.
To more directly answer your question, the Assassin backstory that talks about the Brothers War absolutely fricking the Vizjerei also says that happened in "In the third century". D2 takes place around 1265 Anno Kehjistani (that's the year the LoD manual says Baal attacked Mount Arreat). Likewise, D1 itself says it's been 1,000 years since then.
So the Vizjerei have had 1,000 years to bounce back since that war, and the D1 manual directly calls their present status one of the most dominant clans of the East. It also says they are the primary supplier (and inventor) of spell staves and identify scrolls that everyone depends on, so their business side is booming too.
homie only legit Christians in Diablo universe were always the Black folk.
>tyrael
Your b***hing is 10 years too late
the homiedin was 20 years ago, and all holy homies were from ooga booga lands
Okay now you’re boring me, I’m sure you have dicks to suck somewhere anyway. Buh bye
>Are you excited for the next installment of the Diablo franchise?
No because Blizzard cant stop shitting the bed ever since it got merged with israelitectivision, diablo 3 was meh, diablo immortals was an insult to diablo players and an indication of what is Blizzard planning these days, and the previous Diablo 4 gameplay trailers showed a very dumbed down experience.
Also, Blizzard has rendered my Warcraft 3 copy unplayable and I can only play the pirated version of it. I will always hold a grudge for what they did to Warcraft 3 and I will never gonna buy a blizzard game again. Frick 'em.
>or why not?
Not on day1 gamepass so i don't care. Not giving blizzard any more money ever.
Game just looks like Diablo 3.5
Blizz needs to fire all diversity hires and bring back the Cosby suit if they want to make good games again.
Why is there a black chick singing in Latin in the trailer? Negresses aren’t known for their holiness or ability to speak Latin.
At this point just let them score their diversity points in the trailers, we can't do shit about it, I will be making my character a white dude anyway
Maybe you will, if D3 is anything to go buy the classes are tied to specific races of people, male wizards are Asian, male witch doctors are black (I think)
There's literally a character creator in this game bro, look it up
Okay, no need to be a b***h about it, I didn’t know that. I don’t spend all my time looking up video games before they’re released buddy.
why are you so hostile lmao emotionally unstable? woman? troony?
chill dude, people allowed to disagree wit u
Witch doctor as blacks made sense, no problem with that
I'm excited to watch the cinematics on youtube which is the only redeemable quality of Diablo games.
lmao you think I'm going to give Blizzard my money after what they did to Warcraft III? Eat shit and die, I'm not touching that garbage.
I'll play some beta if I'll be able to but likely won't buy it, I don't have much interest in arpg that has barely any build variability or itemization going on and cooldown based shit kills the genre. from all the videos the game looks exactly like reskinned diablo 3 where it matters the most i.e. combat and abilities, itemization already confirmed to be laughable chase of ever increasing base stats throughout the endless diff increase in endgame like d3, maybe they at least won't stick +9000% damage to *abilityname* uniques this time around we'll see, passive tree seems to be very tiny and simple too. I just don't think it has anything that exciting going on for it. Arpgs need to have many layers of complexity that you can interact with for endless grind to not feel as pointless and bland as it otherwise would be and d4 doesn't seem to have that in place, you just mulch some mobs, redress your dude in floor drops and go mulch the same mobs with buffed HP and damage to get the same floor drops with buffed atk and def.
> Always online.
Hard pass. The cyclical microlag in D3 because of it is enough once. I aint doing that again, or cash shops, leagues, scams and what basically amounts to a slot machine. Wake me when Crate drop Grim Dawn 2.
Eh, you have to be autistic or an idiot to care about D3 leaderboards, all the top spot are cheaters and bots. I just ignore it. It’s mindless fun.
It is when your wiener is a lethal weapon.
They won me over with the female necromancer design.
No, because Diablo 3 sucked so much wiener I got worried it would turn out to be an undercover cop when I started it up.
Is cops showing up commonly your experience when your wiener is being sucked anon?
How an anyone be hyped for anything Blizzard related.
a fricking mobile game lmao
Any game is mobile if you try hard enough
They developed the game for russia and china. And cheap battlepasses to keep them playing.
I have a 3080 and the closed betas didn't run very well, so I don't really believe this unless it's extremely scalable. Probably beta problems, but who knows.
Who the frick sits down at a desk to play video games in 2023? Kek
The majority it seems? I don't know anyone who plays exclusively on console, everybody I know mainly plays on pc and they boot up their consoles when an exclusive comes out once every blue moon.
>not hooking your pc up to your big screen TV
ngmi
Found the overweight tendie loser.
Sons of the forest pushe my 7900XTX fricking hard at 3440x1440 but has a 1050 at recommended.
Devs are starting to lie. Recommend used to be high/max settings at 60fps. Now its medium at achaic 1080p
>90gb
>win10
whew dodged a bullet there
>90gb online only mobile tier game
did they at least bring the skill trees from d2 back
other kind of trees but as someone with atleast 10k hours in d2 and probably the same in poe I have to say that d2's skill tree is the last thing I want to see in an arpg. everything into mainstat rest into synergie is pretty much as dumb as you can make it no thanks.
>win 10
>90 gb
hahaha pass.
>medium
>game is optimized
WTF NO SPECS LMAO SHIT MOBILE GAME
>game high specs
WTF THE GAME LOOKS LIKE TRASH WHY
>Ganker complains devs don't optimize games anymore
>when they do Ganker makes fun of them
I pity anyone that takes any advice from this place
It's the diablo 3 gameplay again, with some additions, a revamped loot system + open world.
Diablo 2 is on the edge of tolerable speed.
Diablo 3 has always been ass and they are building on top of an ass system. It's too fast, too flashy and it has ragdoll enemies that makes your attacks seem weightless giving you that surreal, dull feeling of an asian mmorpg.
It has no chance of being good.
Haha Barbarian go Brrrrrrrrrrrrr
d3 has good gameplay idk why you people say otherwise
>d3 has good gameplay
lmao
Go enjoy D:4 mouthbreather
>saying "mouthbreather"
ok normie, time to go back
It's just boomers wanting to come off as highbrow and cultured.
cope
D3 was to diablo, what league of legends was to dota - a notable downgrade in mechanics, atmosphere, loot, lore, weightless ragdolling, etc but with more flashy moves to keep zoomers playing.
It turn diablo from a grimdark game to an asian style looter smasher fit for consoles and phones alike.
>a notable downgrade in mechanics
What mechanics? How many potions you can chug per second??
Turning all potions into rejuvs on a cooldown
Removing runeword crafting and bastardizing runes into skill modifiers which you can only have one active at a time
Limited amount of equippable skills. No skill tree.
No inventory tetris, everything is 1 or 2 slots, items having no identity.
Stat growth is just you looking at a green arrow pointing up if something drops and numbers going up, instead of actually having to pick and choose pieces of gear dependant on the resistances, accuracy, health, mana, regen etc. that they give.
I've played mobile ARPG's better than D3, and they're all copies of D3, done better.
agree with most of the complaints, but inventory tetris is lame as frick
A big weapon size 5x2
Chest armor size 3x2
Boots 2x2
This gives identity to the items on the inventory. Having everything the same size is lame as frick.
Zoomers were 12 years old when D3 came out you tard, it clearly wasn't meant for them. And I know you are just shit talking to fit in because you didn't even talk about the auction house which was the actual worse thing about the game.
If I bring up the AH, you will immediately go to the standard cope of
>Reaper of Souls remove it, it is better now
I am not trying to repeat the same conversation you D3 gays want to have forever.
this.
playing through S28 now and it still feels good, but I am excited to see it slow down in D4 (at least in the earlier stages)
It's never going to be as fast as D3 unless they add some crazy set and legendary effects. You won't be able to do bullshit like remove the CD on your movement skill or have infinite resource with the stats and types of legendary effects we've seen so far in D4.
It's just a braindead dopamine fest.
That's the genre for you champ, want a medal?
>a game is a dopamine fest
you dont say
The entire genre is a glorified cookie clicker meant to tickle part of your brain. We've known this for ages, and accept it.
How can a game as boring as D3 ever make your brain secrete dopamine?
D3 is legitimately the first game I've ever played where I actually fell asleep while playing it.
It's just so incredibly fricking boring and most repetitive ARPG I've ever experienced, not even PoE is that fricking monotonous.
And that was just me trying to play through the main story. Can't imagine the braindead morons grinding rifts hours on end for 0,1% gear improvements and repeating that shit every new ladder.
Magic of arpgs made for console users, D4 will be just like that but more expensive and with less stats to care about. I must admit D3 did one thing right which is nothing bad happens when you leave for a year, two years or more, you can come back whenever you like do some brain dead rift sessions and leave again but D4 on the other hand, just imagine missing all of these cash shop occasions or battle pass rewards or unique events or them achievements, don't you wanna miss a thing, right? Diablo 4 combines the worst of both mobile and console games
Only PoE autists, and wannabe diablo "fans" who parrot everything they hear online without playing the game think post RoS diablo 3 is bad
It is bad, but that's because it rushes you to endgame while also having a shitty endgame loop with very little variety. Anyone who thinks it's because of the gameplay is moronic.
> No controller support on PC.
Yeah, great game. Frick off.
What is your favorite class you double Black folk?
why, the demonic hunter of course =}
not when it first came out it didnt, d3 took years to become acceptable
the only whiners during launch were shitters crying about difficulty and making excuses for spending money in the rmah and they're the reason the awful loot 2.0 and massive damage boosting sets were implemented
>playing ARPGs with damage numbers on
number go Vvvvvrrrrrrrrr
I had a lot of fun playing D3 with my wife in couch co-op. Will do the same with D4.
It's reskinned Lost Ark, that's it. It'll be just as pay2win too.
No, Lost Arc actually has some semblance of good action combat that isn't just numbers. D4 is a bottom of the barrel PoE clone.
Yes. I think it will actually be good compared to D3 and also it makes Pooturds seethe uncontrollably.
mildly excited. it's the most effort from blizzard that we've seen since SC2. I could see it returning some good will, as long as the season passes remain optional and cosmetic.
>diablo game designed for consoles
no thanks homosexual
d2 rules on controller
No.
Blizzard.
It looks good but my worry with the game is that there's just no endgame content for it that is engaging more than for like 3-5 days.
I dunno...
I've played a good amount of D3 and I like it for what it is, but the gameplay videos for D4 look totally soulless.
Demon mommy is very cool and scary, though.
>Called "Diablo"
>He's not even the antagonist, prob not even in the game.
Yeh no thanks, Why not just call it Lilith and start a new trilogy.
no
>why
blizzard
Very much, I've played D2 and D3 to death and I'm too dumb for PoE. I don't care if it's mediocre since it's very much a social game for me and my friends.
the only people excited for this are people too young to remember the shitfest d3 was at launch
anyway
>full price
>battlepass
I'm out already
If you're talking about the errors and disconnects at launch then I have to say I had none of those issues. The game did become a hundred times better through patches and RoS which is probably the case for D4 as well.
no I am talking about the itemization ( it was all about rares ) and the abysmal balancing ( it literally took 20-30 minutes of kiting an elite pack to clear them out, and good fricking luck if you rolled a melee character )
>always online
You can do that with any single player game, it just sucks for everyone playing it.
oh boy i can twait for diablo 4 oh man oh geeze i sure do wanna run around finding farming spots in the open world only to see Captain_Thuggernuts_420 whirlwinding everything as it respawns in my totally singleplayer game thats totally singleplayer. golly gee willickers.
i think we're back
You know, when I look at these developers in this room. I see the whitest room I have ever seen. This, this can't be the right thing. We need to do something against it. We need to blackify the entire cast.
The left one is Asian, the right one is half-Asian, and the middle one has a really strange nose, so I classify him as a israelite.
Therefore you are factually wrong and will be prosecuted by Activision lawyers for racist remarks.
>3 devs
>all of them have hair
yeah, it's over
Oh, no, no, no, look at the top of his head.
why is he like that?
>LOOK LOOK CORE GAMER LOOK "WHITE" PEOPLE! WERE BACK!
couldn't be more obvious
Diablo is dead to me. Removing LAN play and making single player online only. Making things shittier when they could better is not a direction that should be taken.
game might be good but i won't give any money to troons and commies.
Lead devs are white and asian autists so there's still hope
The crafting is an absolute joke, Diablo is still in the fricking daycare unable to climb out of the sandbox while poe is exploring the universe
Looks like 3 but even more basic but with a halfway decent artstyle. I'd rather wait for PoE2 and PoE1 has been going down the shitter for a few years now.
How is she evil again? She's literally the mother of all mankind.
exactly, she created the most evil thing the world has ever known
3 was shit and 4 will be pure goyslop
Though it seems dark at first sight, it lost the sword and sorcery vibe that D2 had. This makes me sad.
4 is only dark compared to 3 which is just WoW-lite.
From what they have shown, yeah probably. I like the slower pace of it.
I am excited, but the moment I see any pronouns or other woke trash like a plethora of homosexuals and trannies in it like they did with Dragonflight I will stop being excited really fast.
Is it going to be always online like Diablo 3?
Yes
It's a faux mmo with world bosses and timed events
You homosexuals keep buying these games with the worst microtransactions and then cry about it when the next game has even worse ones.
Dig your own grave.
Anon, it's Blizzard.
The battlepass shit at least guarantees that the seasons won't be double goblins or double blood shards like 3 and actually have substance. Now hopefully they keep the "login for your daylies" bullshit to a minimum.
Idk I'm not preordering but I'll keep an eye out.
I heard something about a paragon system, if it's the same thing as 3 the leaderboards are already dead.
It's not the same paragon system but kind of works out the same in practice. You can find shrines around the world or some shit that give you an account wide buff to your characters.
What I was getting at is that infinite grinding mechanics that can be botted will kill any competition. You could argue that gear is one but after some point it reaches a cap and changes are miniscule. Now how much this shrine thing plays a role remains to be seen.
Looks like they're being really aggressive with monetization this time around. If it was 60 bucks for the base game, sure; no questions asked. 70 bucks and microtransactions/season passes is pretty bullshit. They're testing the waters and I'm sure they'll get away with it and reinforce this dumb $70 standard publishers are trying to set. Fricking stupid.
This alone makes me want to not buy it
It's hyper expensive, yes.
The price is part of the problem, yes, but the big problem is 4 day early start. I fricking hate that shit
It doesn't seem like that big a deal to me. 4 days in the span of a game that people are going to be playing on-and-off for years is whatever. Just ActiBlizz cashing in on FOMO since morons will fall for it.
>Already paying 10€ more than before for a newly released game
>Still doesn't qualify me for playing on release
It just blows my mind
I agree it's a scumbag move to not just release the game for everybody 4 days earlier for everybody, but still. Scumbag publishing company has scumbag business/marketing practices. What else is new?
It's just a perceived pseudo competition. It's not a race where need to score or something. Leagues or seasons with new temporal characters start later on as far as I know.
So just check social media the first day to see if people like the game, and you don't run into getting spoilered something.
I just did it for comedic value. Don't interpret too much into it.
Who gives a shit about 4 days early access. Im not touching this for the sole reason of 70$+mtx+bp, anyone buying into this hates games and is fine with games industry going to shit
This going to extremes now.
At least let me have my dignity.
Plus I don't think spending that amount of money for a game is good for my health.
I mean, if I was famous streamer on twitch maybe that made sense to spend but no, not average joe here.
It looks sort of like d2 (except without the high contrast which was central to the art direction), but it doesn't sound like d2, and the diablo ii soundtrack is an eternal masterpiece
i don't know if it's zoomers or consoletards, but complaining about monetization in diablo after 3 launched with a fricking real money auction house will never not be funny
>always have to be a barbarian or crusader or paladin of some kind
>can't be a straight up warrior like in the first game
Don't get me wrong, they're all cool in their own way but I don't like how ''barbarian'' is becoming the default melee guy
BUT....I guess in the scope of diablo a barbarian is one of the only crazy bastard martials that would be insane to be like ''Yeah, i'll take on diablo.''
Well, what separates a warrior from a barbarian - setting aside shit like d&d
they're both guys that fight physically
they can both wear heavy armor
They're both typically low magic (For Diablo, at least)
I think it's a weird semantic to get caught up on when it literally doesn't matter
Stop being dishonest. You know the thematic differences between barbarians and warriors. It's like if someone wants to play a frost mage and then you go "bro fire mages wear robes and a staff and casts spells too they're the same" Fricking love Paladins but I'm pretty tired of Barbarians myself.
i agree actually, cant wait for the $40 warrior DLC
>I don't like how ''barbarian'' is becoming the default melee guy
The warrior class is only available in Diablo 1, so the barbarian and the paladin/crusader are the main warriors.
Not to mention, a full price game WITH a cash shop and payed battlepasses. Anyone who supports this deserves to be hanged.
kys homosexual
Would it be considered incest if your character fricked Lilith? I mean, she is the ultimate DOMMY MOMMY that gave rise to humanity.
Is she an actual God? Then no.
>diablo lore
lol, lmao even
underrated. the lore of this IP is so utterly ridiculous and over the place that the mere idea of someone giving a microscopic shit about it makes my sides launch into orbit
it was fine in 2
best posts in thread
this but for any Blizzard IP, it's capeshit tier
Last Epoch has been dropping the ball a bit so I hope D4 fills in the loot grind shoes well for me. I really dislike PoE so that's not an option for me.
Grim Dawn was great fun but super burnt out on it at this point. How are those D2 overhaul fan mods?
What's Last Epoch doing wrong currently, or are they just developing the game too slowly? Going by the skill/build planner, it looks like a mix of multiple arpgs, which looks promising. It's in my cart right now.
It's very fun and the class system/build making is addicting, but as of late they're focusing way too much on multiplayer stuff instead of actually finishing the last few subclasses. Also the game is still very poorly optimized and could use more endgame variety.
Sounds nice so far. But I can understand that it's frustrating when they haven't added the missing classes after a long time.
Are you able to change your build later on in this game, or are you locked once you put points into the passive tree?
Different anon, but i dropped the game because of how bad it runs, whats worse it doesnt look that good in the first place. Cant imagine how shit it will run in multiplayer
>no runes, sets, or ancient legendaries until MAYBE August after results from a closed game test AFTER the game "releases", according to the devs
Uh yeah, frick you Blizzard I don't think so.
Also the community is like a pack of moronic animals because of D2R and Immortal drawing normals.
cautiously optimistic, but wait for a sale. ot gamepass version.
> Gaypass.
> Half way through mega-autistic build.
> Game gets pulled.
I remember when shills still had at least 30 points of IQ and above.
ms games don't leave gamepass
>mega-autistic build
>D4
Anon, I...
i've never played Diablo when it was at it's peak of popularity, and the only hack and slash games i played were Sacred 1 and Titan Quest and loved them, but when i tried playing Diablo 1+2 and 3 i just dropped each after few hours
i think this type of game is not my thing anymore, im pretty sure if i played Diablo when i was i kid i'd love it like everyone else
I just hope they don't go "no fun allowed" because of pvp. Like movement and skills getting nerfed affecting my fun in pve just because some shit is "op" in pvp. I hope they hire the dude that is helming D3 at the moment because he just said "frick it" and for years buffed items and builds like crazy upping the power fantasy to eleven. With every 10 buffs he had 1 nerf. D4 team is 100% going the opposite route with 10 nerfs for every 1 buff.
They either do "no fun allowed" because of pvp or the pvp will be so shitty that nobody will bother playing it. They shouldn't have bothered putting pvp in at all if they aren't sacrificing something to make it fun.
no they're not
>collector's edition without the game
>70$ for the game, pay more if you want to have advantage over other players (activision starts with p2w)
>10$ battle pass
>50$ for dlc 15$ for new character (at very least, these were D3 prices)
>premium currency with all *cool* transmog, mounts and wings behind paywall
>open world exists only for whales to show off (you have to give them a reason to buy skins, right?)
>Always online mode
>The game is made for Xbox so its another hit 2 buttons and watch things die title with as little interaction as possible
>trade limited to white trash
>starts with 5 difficulties (can't wait to see what they prepared for torment 21!)
>gameplay itself is same D3 number porn go up bullshit
>smart loot
>legendaries, ancient legendaries, mythical gear, its WoW all over again
>collect your Powers like its pokemon go
>loot showers on higher difficulties
>just like in D3 there will be just one meta build for the quickest as possible greater ri.... I mean nightmare dungeons farm
>no sets (don't worry they will add them through loot boxes at some point)
>minority pandering makes this *dark medieval fantasy* game look like Los Angeles/New York we love today
>wypipo are demons, black people save the day, other races like always are forgotten
>no diablo in diablo game
>game made by underpaid hindu programmers led by Californian activists
I just hope that after harsh divorce between China and Activision we get to see more gay inclusion in Diablo IV as there is nothing more beautiful than two males doing some WoW tier gay stuff. Anyway, this game will sell millions even though it deserves nothing.
>gameplay itself is same D3 number porn go up bullshit
>collector's edition without the game
Easily explainable through fiascos in the past where they sold out, or people wanted to get it, after having bought the game, are fricked due to buying another copy with it.
I'd rather see the industry just sell merchandise individually. Not that I ever buy any of that stuff.
>no diablo in diablo game
is this confirmed? thought the reaper dlc ended with him getting released from malthael or the stone whatever
either a shard with his soul landed in sanctuary or his soul was released and sent back to hell
holy frick this sounds on par with bdo or lost ark
>bdo
How is in anyway like BDO except for grinding for stuff to get better, like ALL arpgs are.
no of course not because i'm not a moron
anyone even considering buying this are complete cattle and deserve to be conned
>not poor
>PC runs it also on consoles
>last Diablo game was a decade ago
>don't care about the state of cultural war and late stage capitalism on vidya
why wouldn't I or the 10+ million people that will buy it, not buy it?
No.
I'm more excited to see how its microtransactions compare to diablo immoral's ones than I'm about trying it out when it inevitably goes below -50% on sale.
I'll try the open beta. If it's good I'll keep an eye on it and maybe get it when it goes on sale later. If it's shit I'll just forget about it.
Does anyone under 30 care? I mean when was blizz good? It has to be at least a decade ago since they went downhill and their height is probably 20 years ago by now.
So i cant imagine anyone but nostalgiagays invested in what blizz does
I just like arpg, they are mindless fun. I don't have much nostalgia for diablo at all and I still enjoyed playing 3 and 2 resurrected when they came out.
Don't have much faith in current blizzard that bieng said.
No, with all the information they released, it's going to be d3 on release all over again.
Yea I actually am. These top down games are great to play on a widescreen monitor. I just hope it's not trash
Holy shit did you also upgrade from 4:3? The difference is massive bro.
>These top down games
you don't even know the genre.
go back
I expect it's gonna suck ass, but I'll play it with some friends until the next poe league drops
highjacking this thread
if you were to make a diablo clone
>what would you like to include that current blizz games dont?
>what would you immediately eliminate?
>any QoL elements you feel games don't address?
Loot pets/auto pick up should be mandatory at this point. The same applies to reducing redundant busywork like needing to sort everything in your box. Just make a currency and material tab that collects everything out of your inventory.
I wish the genre would advance toward twin stick shooters that rely more on manual dodges than gear checks.
anyone play the beta and know what will be needed to push good fps on a 1440p widescreen? using a 3600x 2080ti
requirements are low af
i played on 1080p with a 2060super and had 100-200 fps at max settings.
you are probably fine
day1 buy
will prob beat elden ring in hours played
Sure, on a deep sale when all the bugs are fixed.
>look at me i'm so sensible
frick you, you'll miss out on the launch experience.
Don't have much faith for Diablo 4. Loot systems are categorically bad, and Diablos 1 and 2 were good in spite of having one.
Low IQ developers, when designing Diablo 3, thought to themselves, "What is Diablo about? Oh it's about loot!" And thus one of the most boring games ever made was created. Diablo 2 also gets boring towards Hell difficulty because that's when your loot starts mattering a lot.
Diablo 4's previews have focused a lot on the loot system, which is how to tell the game will going to suck.
I can't stress enough that people who think Diablo games are about loot are too stupid to understand what's fun about video games
i understand what you mean but you're crazy if you think there isnt some expansive endgame loot that takes 700 hours to grind. the most valuable thing a game can dominate these days is your time.
Explain how time spent in a game translates to value generated for the stakeholders?
How does that apply to a game such as D2 which runs without microtransactions?
Or is D2 the model game which developers point to and say something like "see how addicted they are to this system? this is how we can turn that into more value for us" etc.?
>moron doesn't understand games as a service
Let me explain it in simple terms for you:
More time spent = more investment into the game = higher chance of buying microtransactions, season passes and expansions
See destiny 2 for a current example. It's all about engagement metrics
Thanks!
Diablo style loot isn't even interesting, everything is just an interchangeable ball of stats. A dagger shouldn't play the same as a spear.
>check out Diablo 2 for gothic atmosphere
>Act 2 is Arab deserts: greatest hits
>fighting pygmies and shit in random ass jungles by act 3
Why did they lie to me, where's the gothic kino?
in act 5: skyrim
>Has no idea what gothic horror actually is
You've never heard of mummies spiders and cannibal tribes before, dumbass?
kek her breasts get smaller every time i see her... roastoids are not pleased it seems...
yes
even if the itemization and end-game is shit, diablo 4 is going to have tight gameplay, great atmosphere and probably a fun campaign. At its absolute WORST i'll get like 3 weeks of fun out of it and so it will be worth the price
i expect diablo 4 at launch to be just 'the foundation' of a service game and be pretty barebones in terms of systems. As it is a service game I do expect them to actually support the game long-term unlike D3. After 8 or so seasons of development it'll likely be a great ARPG
this. I remember how disappointed almost every diablo 2 player was after the released 3 and how almost everyone switched either back to d2 or to poe which had a closed beta around d3's release.
I was in that Poe beta very early on. I remember people lauding GGG like the modern day messiahs of ARPGs. Everything they did back then was oozing soul and hardcore d2 understanding.
It's a shame what the game became, but they had a very good run until they became villains themselves.
>became
dunno man. as someone who played every league since closed beta I have to say that I believe the game got better with time. it used to had almost no endgame, rollbacks and the gameplay was literally a snooze fest
Are you considering a less soul-crushing occupation than marketing corporate products on a forum even more shitty than the videogame subreddit and visited mainly by sad losers and teenagers? Why/why not?
Not excited. The game will only give a 200~300 hour fun cycle, I don't believe that Blizzard can make actual good seasons to keep the replay actually good without doing heavy bloat/powercreep, at least I can go to PoE after 1 year away and feel like the game is new with new additions to endgame.
>200-300h
sorry to burst your bubble but thats a high amount of copium because I have to agree with you. for a game like that 200-300h is supposed to be nothing. they already said that it will take around 150hours for a normie to reach level 100 (50 base level + max paragon level), an experienced player will reach it in less. drops seem to be balanced between d2 and d3 and actually believe even d2 had casual drop rates let alone d3.
Lol, really? I am not following the updates, so the game will be worst than D3 on launch, there will be hype for probably 1-2 months till the new PoE league and people start memeing again "playtruediablo4.com" that redirects to PoE website.
yeah thats what the devs said in some of the interviews.
Anyone excited for this game, deserves modern Blizzard.
Seriously, why do people still believe in Blizzard or get excited for the IPs they own?
Consumers gonna consooom.
Buying one Diablo per decade is hardly consooming moron
can't wait for the servers to eventually die off when blizzards done milking it so you can't play it again, depriving you of the ownership rights you paid for
meanwhile you can still play original d1 and 2 anytime
LMAO this
Imagine making threads like this about a "game" YOU WILL NEVER OWN and which will be taken from you even if your internet goes out and thinking any "discussion" about it will come off as organic
Occasionally i see the argument that "oh well D1 and D2 still have servers up D4 will be fine" disregarding the fact that they use P2P connections and don't rely on a central server
Either that or "dude its 2023 surely you have internet lmoa"
That was never the point. i have a good, stable connection, but it's pretty fricking useless when the servers are either under maintenance or just downright fricking up on blizzards end (which will probably happen on launch).
You will likely never be able to play this game again in future, cause god forbid they let you create private servers or LAN games. They'll just completely rip out the servers, and you won't be able to play the game you paid for, in both the upfront cost + any microtransactions they might have suckered you into.
We're "lucky" I guess, since we'll be able to play the game while it's being supported and its the 'current thing'. But what if years down the line you want to revisit it, or someone discovers D4 and wants to play it for the first time? That's how I played D1 and D2, since i wasn't even born when they came out. That will likely never happen for D4. All the time, money, and effort that artists, programmers, etc put in to these Games as a Service is more often than not futile since it's shut down anyway with no option to keep playing. That doesn't even mention the actual legal ramifications of the whole thing
I grew up watching my big sis and big bro play diablo 2 but for some reason never played it myself until a couple years ago when my "diablo" was shit like Sacred Gold, FATE, Titan Quest and Torchlight before I actually played diablo 1 and 2
Now imagine it was impossible for me to play neither of these games because of them being online-only
At least when diablo 4 inevitably shuts down nothing of value will be lost
>actually played diablo 1 and 2
what did you think of them
Still very high quality despite the age and just dripping with sheer atmosphere
>That will likely never happen for D4
Remember overwatch 1, yeah good game, i really should play it again one of these days...oh wait
>previous thread deleted
>this thead copypaste of same replies
posting in a marketing thread
diablo 4 will fail at launch and all the disappointed players will come back to poe 2 which will release a few months after d4. it will literally be the same shit that happened with d3.
>70 bucks
>+ battle pass
>+ micro transactions
lol nope
>+ micro transactions
Are they really? lmao
of course
for cosmetics, yes
What about transmog? It will be locked behind a paywall?
There are billions of normal gear drops you can transmog, similar to D3. Many of them look really good
And some from the shop
And fricking battle pass, these frickers are triple dipping and somehow there are homosexuals that are defending it saying how its only cosmetics. You can bet stash tabs, skill resets and other qol shit will be locked behind those paywalls. And ofc the whole game is mmo lite, because how else will other players show off their sick cosmetics and make other people buy them. The whole game disgust me and id strangle every person who buys it
>triple dipping
Quadruple dipping my friend. Expansions won't be free. New classes will probably be an extra charge too so it might even be a 5x dip.
Not really
I got the game for wow gold and even I am having buyers regret lol. Gear is attack power and defense power shit. The game seems to emphasize engagement metrics and the fricking mats gathering sounds boring as frick.
can I impregnate her?
she's your mommy so sadly no
i feel like blizzard going full coomer is going to lead to the game being incredibly lame and propped up exclusively on waifu shit
Why would I buy videogames from a defunct company that havent made good games in well over a decade?
i really like the look of it but i fricking hate nuBlizzard
the fact that they turned it into an mmo-lite also fricking sucks
very conflicted about this one
On a scale of 1 to Dragonflight, just how pozzed will this garbage be? Did anyone her play the closed beta? Were the side quests full of >muh husband from male chars bullshit?
Arpgs are as fun as watching paint dry
I am excited, I just want a game to turn off my brain and see big numbers again. But better than D3 I suppose.
URRRGH YES DADDY BLIZZARD RAPE MY ASS MORE UH YES RAPE ME LIVELEAK STYLE
You okay there, bud?
he's not a woman, he'll be fine
>the cuckold keeps believing that the californian femoids were actually "harassed"
lol
lmao even
Because of basedboys like you this outrage actually forced blizzard to pozz up Warcraft, censor it and turn it into a walking troony joke. Literally commit suicide and stop playing the hero for prostitutes trying to suck their way up the corporate ladder. They won't have sex with you, they'd rather be "raped" by rich and powerful men.
Does anyone under 30 care? Their height was ~20 years ago. The people that made d1&2 are gone. Company is a skinwalker
Not overly keen on the endgame from D3 onwards, or newer ARPGs in general. I'm assuming that D4 will be the same.
D2 was maybe limited endgame wise admittedly, eg once i get my enigma, any BiS items, it's sorta done by then aside from grinding to 99 on baal runs, but i'd rather just start a new character instead and repeat Normal, NM, and Hell all over again
once i finished diablo 3 and just saw how mindless it got in regards to rifts and bounties i just lost interest, i maybe did a couple of each and stopped playing. Never quite got into that kind of gameplay, just watching numbers go up. It's also why i don't like borderlands
well they’re going back to a max level 100 like D2. Paragon points start at level 50 and they are capped too. I dont really like grinding either. As long as there are a good number of builds for each class, that and seasonal fomo will mean ill pump a fair few hours into this
>nu blizzard garbage
lol
not touching that shit
This game will make or break the series to me. It better be fricking incredible after all the god damn money they made (combined with all the salt they generated) w/ Diablo Immortal. The gameplay vids all look fricking stellar so I'm sure it's gonna be a blast, but if its not then im going to unalive myself in minecraft in front of my fricking wife and kids
This is probably the case for anyone who's longer with the series than the last game. I'm cautiously optimistic.
Be sure to use a nice strong rope that can carry your fat body.
No. I have no faith in Blizzard not to frick it up.
too busy fishing in torchlight one hee hee!
Recently asked my friends the same question during our annual LAN, and they were all "yeah, nah" and kind of disgusted that I would even ask such a thing, given Blizzard is pretty much dead now and the complete Diablo 3 fiasco.
Can't wait for PoE2 to dunk on Diablo.
PLAYIN PLUGY SUCK ME OFF AHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
COW DROPPED A PUL CYA
HAS. ANYONE. HERE. PLAYED. THE CLOSED. BETA. -?-
just wait until the end of march for the open one
Is it gonna flop or no? It flopping would result in most employees being fired. It succeeding would result in nothing changing.
it will sell well because of name branding and depending on blizz patching (lol) it'll either end up pretty good or dumpster fire
What fricking brand? lmao
the Diablo name duh
Everyone knows blizz for being low hanging, uninspired and pozzed fruit. I very much doubt they can garner any interest in this dogshit, even before anyone who looks it up sees all the microtransactions and other shit they've set it up with.
>frick that loser
>also blizzard:
>everyone
lol. you're confusing people who played games for gameplay years ago with the people they market to today
The "people" they market to today are even more tired of pozzed shit though. How the frick will Blizzard survive? Whales?
I disagree I think they'll still be able to sell to the majority and get an easy 20 million sales
Let's hope my assesment is correct then.
I think it'll take a lot of microsoft meddling before blizzard really starts to tank
Doubt Blizzard can sink deeper currently. M$ should have been paid to take over that shitheap.
they aren't even close to ubisoft levels yet they have plenty of time
>newest blizzard game in almost a decade
it won't flop
Considering you can't refund on their shitty storefront I doubt it, but if you could then they wouldn't be able to recoup their losses from yet another woke blizzturd disaster.
I am looking forward to it because i enjoyed 1, 2 and 3 a lot. Yes i had fun with 3 on release and while i do not play these games for years i always dump a couple hundred hours into them.
i dumped a couple of hundred hours into your mum but i don't boast about it in forums do i
you just did
Currently discovering the Diablo franchise with Diablo 2 ressurected. I'm still at the beginning, I love it so far.
What class did you choose?
Sorceress for starter, though Necro and Druids are definitely the ones I'm trying next.
>you now remember the Deckard Cain rap
Wasn't the original Blizzard North design ideas for their Diablo 3 a more online experience? I'm not a fan of always online and there should be an offline version, at the same time this seems a bit more, well warranted isn't the word, but I understand this being always online more than the Diablo 3 we got being always online.
I certainly don't see me returning to the game as often as the first two.
I mean the biggest evolution of D2 was its online framework
Blizzard always had a penchant for it
>nu-blizzard
Only thing to get excited about are the shitpost threads
This game even now is already full price + battle pass + cash shop
Also looks like D3 with a filter
>79.99 for a live service game
>MMO lite diablo
>will probably have battlepass and fomo cosmetics
probably not even counting how bad they already butchered the story. god I hate nu blizzard
>>will probably have battlepass and fomo cosmetics
both are confirmed and the battlepass is """"free"""" with the premium edition
Man I feel bad for fans of Blizzard games. Seeing what happened to Overwatch 2 was bad enough.
>can't even play ow1 anymore in any capacity
haha.....
>fomo cosmetics
This is what pisses me off the most with modern gaming. Not being able to play at your own pace or take a 6 month break without missing items permanently.
Kick and scream all you want. No other arpg compares to Diablo. Just something about the way it plays.
yea, like hot garbage
i will never play a single blizzard game ever again in my life after what they've done to every franchise they created doing nothing but spitting everyone in their face for years on end, once i snapped im never going back, frick you and your games
Will open beta be free or I have to pay up
I got enough WoW tokens to pay for it so I will.
>Are you excited for the next installment of the Diablo franchise?
No.
Why or why not?
Its Blizzard in 2023.
Anyone who gets unironically excited for Blizzard stuff in current year despite all of the shit they have pulled are hopeless, bottom feeders that deserve what they get.
Current Blizzard is not capable of releasing a good game.
Diablo 4 will be WC3 Reforged levels of trash.
d2r is p. cool
yeah it was pretty alright but they're already determined to ruin it of course by starting to patch the game that over 20 fricking years old nerfing things or changing them, but for what purpose? just leave it the frick alone you dumb fricking Black folk, if something works, why change it?
blame the people asking for shit like new rune words and loot filters
the fact that people are asking for something doesnt mean the devs should give it to them. but then you have wow and the game suffering from countless problems for years on end with wonderful feedback from the community (sometimes) that they just straight up ignored every single expansion until shit got out of control, numbers started falling down and they went into full damage control having to swallow their ego down. constant issue between having spineless devs not knowing what to do and licking their playerbases buttholes like path of exile listening to redditors all the time or stubborn egocentric idiots who think they're doing whats best for their game until they straight up kill the game, so fricking tiring
the squeaky wheel gets the oil seems more and more apparent as time has gone on
oh thats pretty much obvious and easily visible, considering that pretty much every single AAA title coming out in the past few years is clearly unfinished, bugged, unbalanced or unpolished. back in the days when you released a shitty game it got pointed at, laughed at, devastated by the journalists which weren't lobotomized and then thrown into a trash where it belonged. and nobody, nobody would talk about it ever again, unless bringing up a disastrous story never to be repeated again. but nowdays its fine, you're paying a solid fricking chunk of money for unfinished mess thats just going to get fixed in the future patches, right? or is it? we'll see, that depends on the devs of course! this is unbelievable and the fact that people are fine with shit like that makes it so that the video games will never get better again, devs will continue shitting into everyones mouths and they will keep thanking them for it
It also wasn't made by Blizzard
Nope. Did anyone notice they went back to D3 lighting and some model designs? Doesn't look as gritty or dark as they first showed us. It's like they gave up halfway to go with that animation and are style all chink games use. Which leads me to believe they outsourced some of the work from Asia.
Noticed this too. It looks more like the mobile Diablo now.
yeah looks like there's a lot of pointless fog too.
Fog is a cop out for detail. It's definitely atmospheric if used right be it to make you feel isolated and unsettled or make a forest seem mysterious and ancient but judging by the change to the lighting system from the alpha to now, they needed something to cover up all the missing details you can now plainly see. I was more stoked on the art style than anything and after D2 remastered I had high hopes but this is looking so bad now.
I also wonder will diablo 4 have something similar to diablo 3's blindingly bright desert sand because of how messed up its light radius works
i promised myself to never again give blizzard money after wc3 reforged
looks exactly like 3, but dumbed down
not in a million years
I don't think I could be less excited for a game actually. I'm long past grieving the death of Blizzard.
No
Thank God fat frick Wilson is out of there. Completely destroyed Diablos reputation with D3.
I haven't given blizzard money in close to 20 years, not going to start now.
Nope. Waiting for PoE 2.
I'm not sold on the open world MMO style. I'm worried it'll turn out like WoW where you have a weekly incentive to log in and do your "chores" before you can go do the things you really want. The battlepass also seems to imply this will have some kind of FOMO attached to it. That stuff is evil and will make your life worse. It's like a second job.
Once again zoomers have ruined video games because millennials needed armor for their fricking horse
70 dollars, always online, battle pass
not buying
I'm pre-ordering Diablo 4.
Not because I want to play the game.
Or even because I want it to be succesful.
No.
I am pre-ordering Diablo 4 for the good of Path of Exile 2.
If Diablo 4 is succesful enough in sales, Chris will get scared. He will get off his ass to make Path of Exile 2 faster, and make it better.
Therefore, if you want to encourage Chris to improve his game, you too, should pre-order Diablo 4.
#StandStrong #Pre-OrderD4ForPoE2 #CompetitionIsGOOD
you're more fricked than blizzdrones
did they skip your meds today at your lunatic asylum?
Interesting bait, really activated my almonds.
Nothing you do can affect the Vision™
Praise Chris and the GGG
Look, you morons need to stop living in the past and willingly getting milked by these fricking companies. You won't, and gaming is dying because of it. Thanks. Frick you.
Does D4 have enemy level scaling in it?
You know what's funny? A year ago, I would have told you 100% that Path of Exile was everything that Diablo wished it could be and was on such an upwards trajectory while D4 was obviously just going to be a fricking garbage pile PC version of Diablo Immortal, grubbing for microtransaction and trade cash while not having any idea what to actually do to make their game fun.
And honestly, I still think it might be. But Path of Exile has shot itself in the dick and probably won't ever find a way back into relevance. And the issue is that literally no one with any level of game design competence or care works at Blizzard, so the idea of them making a playable game is basically ridiculous.
So yeah, will I buy D4? Maybe discounted, maybe if there's a million positive reviews and shit showing it off as not a horrid mess of fecal waste. But that's pretty unlikely.
>Path of Exile has shot itself in the dick
what happen
That's really hard to explain unless you actually are familiar with the game in a larger context.
The short version is that what the players enjoy about PoE is killing things, getting lots of loot, using that loot to either craft better gear or sell for currency to buy better gear, and then being able to sustainably kill even more things for way more loot. 99.9% of the playerbase agrees that the game is at its' best when loot is plentiful and builds are relatively easy to get working.
GGG on the other hand, seems to be 100% convinced that the game is most fun when enemies are nearly impossible to kill, when loot is extremely scarce, and when it's hard to sustainbly farm anything because map drops are garbage. They seem to want the game to be slower, with more one-shot deaths from enemies you can't even hurt, and who after you spend 10 minutes chipping away at their health and avoiding one-shot deaths, explode into a shower of either nothing, or completely worthless shit like basic flasks. Oh and they also randomly decided to flip the entire economy by changing the base trade currency for a different one.
He's just mad PoE won't add infinite player power like D3
GGG is just trying to dig themselves out of the hole they've dug for themselves consistently designing the game to be more and more about rushing to endgame and destroying your entire screen with a single click.
I liked the game most when it felt cohesively designed near release and beta and it just feels like it's gotten more and more and more bloated over time like WoW did, I wish they'd just release an actual sequel built from the ground up but they'll never do that.
I don't think they can undo their previous design decisions the way they're trying to with just targeted patches, and it'll certainly not do much for people like you who still play the game now.
I know you say that, but the fact is that you DON'T want the game to be slow, plodding, lootless and RIP-y. If you did, you would play Hardcore SSF and never wear any gear.
Either your ARPG is about slow, precise and tactical combat, or it's about blasting through enemies and being showered with loot. And in a game where you literally need to be pulling the slot machine lever as many times as possible because of how RNG-dependant every piece of gear is as far as trading and crafting, then you can not ever, ever have a slow and lootless game. The concepts are just not compatible.
If you want the game to play as slow as it did at launch, then every enemy and mechanic needs to drop 10x as much stuff, because otherwise who the frick is going to play when it takes you the full 3 (now more like 7) months of the league just to finish a single craft? The people who claim to like the game slower are the people who never actually do any of the game's content.
I said what they're trying to do, I didn't say what they're doing right now is making the game better or that I'm having fun with it.
I DO want the game to be slower, and what I'd like is probably what you'd call plodding, I want normal enemies to be more of a factor again so arguably more rippy but I want high end enemies and league mechanics and bad combos to be less rippy and more balanced around hardcore.
>If you did, you would play Hardcore SSF
I did actually try to get into that, though the current state of the game doesn't even feel good for that.
>Either your ARPG is about slow, precise and tactical combat
Which is what I want.
>or it's about blasting through enemies and being showered with loot
Which is what you want.
You see we have the problem of wanting different games, I think. GGG can't really appease both crowds at once with the same game, I think. They know they're losing people like me but they don't even understand how to get that back and they're pissing off people like you doing it.
>They know they're losing people like me but they don't even understand how to get that back and they're pissing off people like you doing it.
This is what the whole major shitstorm that happened with Kalandra and onwards was. They tuned basic mechanics and enemies way too high, and they turned rewards into nothing. And I don't care if you're someone who just wants to blast through endless hordes of mooks with one button, or you want to feel like you're going toe-to-toe with an enemy as strong as you are, the fact is that when your maps have these hyper-powerful mobs with nearly indestructible combinations of modifiers on them that can kill you with a thought, and you spend multiple minutes fighting one only to be rewarded with a bunch of basic flasks or armor shards, you're going to be fricking pissed.
If GGG wants the game to be slower and more challenging, they can't do it while also having a gearing and progression system that needs to be constantly fed a stream of loot drops and trade currency in order to get anywhere. And players don't want to have to farm 10-20 Tier 5 maps just to get a single Teir 6 map to drop. You can't just scale loot drops back to basically nothing, and then expect people to just say "Well, I guess this is how it is now." and continue playing.
>If GGG wants the game to be slower and more challenging, they can't do it while also having a gearing and progression system that needs to be constantly fed a stream of loot drops and trade currency in order to get anywhere
Yeah, the problem is they're trying to change years of slow updates with just a couple patches and some instant changes, to make any of the things they want work they have to change a million other things and it's hard to keep track of all of it and do it all at once.
>Either your ARPG is about slow, precise and tactical combat
diablo 1 perfected this
Every ARPG eventually devolves into teleporting/running around at the speed of light but I would want the game to be slower than it is at the moment. I don't expect to see any difference until PoE 2 though since they will just use leagues until then to test how players react to changes. Hopefully they shake up the meta so no one knows what is good in PoE 2 which in itself makes the game a lot slower
Spot on. I wish poe addicts and apologists would read this.
It's true, it's just that blizzard is shit too.
I can at least remember when PoE was still good, I can barely remember when Blizzard was.
No
>Why or why not?
Because it's from Blizzard and the name Diablo means nothing anymore because of them. I have to be sold on it all over again from scratch like you would have to do with a complete unknown game.
I've seen Black folk in each Nu-Blizzard trailer.
I understand that Israeli-American-Jews love Black folk but this forced political agenda and LGBT homosexualry with Lilith is something that doesn't belong in video games.
what's so lgbt about lilith? Also there's always been blacks in diablo
Obsessed
magickal Black folks in diablo, this is unprecedented..
how deep does the rabbit hole go?!
No. That one's clearly not!Arabic.
Yeah. DII Pally looked South or Central American.
Also knight from D2, wasn’t black.
>smugpepe.jpg
I'm gonna buy diablo cause I buy every arpg out there, indie or not
>i'm stupid and proud
Idk if I’ll buy it, but I’ll definitely play it on gamepass
https://blizzard.rip/
>D4 director and lead designer leave mid project
>perpetual employee churn since then
yeah, i'm sure it's going to turn out great lol. thats why the previews theyre dropping 2 weeks before the prerelease beta is nearly identical to the shit they showed 3 years ago and 80% just inventing new terms for shit thats already existed since d2
Yeah the reason I can never be hyped of anything D4 claims to be doing is because I know that, despite all the shit they're trying to say they improved or innovated or designed, it's still made by Blizzard. And Blizzard stopped being a real company populated by real developers a long time ago, and has been a woke beehive of morons, clout-chasing social-media girls, and diversity hires for like 10 years now. I don't trust a single person in that building to develop anything.
haven't they created and then dropped a couple of ideas already like that dumb angelic and demonic shit
>Are you excited for the next installment of the Diablo franchise?
No
>Why or why not?
Because it's made by blizzard.
no
itemization is complete garbage
making it 'dark and gory' will not make it good
also apparently the gameplay isn't even engaging so without good itemization it's going to be extra dog doo
it’s an open secret that D4 is being rushed out and people still believe it might be good?
not really. this game is exactly like diablo 3 with a fresh new coat of paint.
I was in the last beta, it'll be fun for a bit at least
I haven't even played Diablo III.
Plenty of time to ketchup.
Will this game have Epstein Season Pass? We all know Kotick went there might aswell make profit of this situation.
>PoE
This is what they find to be good gameplay
teleport ruins these games
Everything after Diablo II is garbage.
Everything after WarCraft III is garbage.
Everything after the 1st StarCraft is garbage.
Blizzard took a step into oblivion the moment they released WoW, got bought up by ActiVision, allowed it to influence them and slowly cut away from their roots.
At least Lost Vikings and Blackthorne will not suffer due to them not being as popular anymore.
i still dont know what a battlepass is
timed checklist
>tfw still playing D3 12 years later
Not "excited", but yeah I am looking forward to D4. It will be a fun romp.