Did anyone else choose the cure ending for Phantom Liberty? It was genuinely one of the most interesting endings to a video game I've ever seen, and I'm surprised there's not more discussion of it.
Did anyone else choose the cure ending for Phantom Liberty?
It's basically a "You live, but you lose basically everything" ending that could potientially set up V in the sequel, either as the MC or just a random character you can find.
There's more to it than that. The inversion of the player character's importance, the removal of player agency, the sense that other characters have moved on, the bittersweet nature of survival, it was all really well done.
Most "friends" that V "lost" he only knew for a few fricking weeks. Everything had happened in the span of those few fricking weeks. The idea that he lost "everything" and his live is over aftermere 2 years is so fricking funny and stupid. This ending is a fricking happily ever after tier. Anyone considering it a "bad" end is moronic.
When you think about it - how is that ending different from corpo/nomad V's prologue ending? It's literally the same shit, a new beginning. Misty even brings it up that it's not the first time V's starting things anew.
anyone considering it a good ending is lame as frick and should not bother posting his shitty opinions
V was a moron that died due to his own stupid decisions, was literally granted a second chance at life TWICE. Yet he still b***hes. Two years is nothing.
> Be a boy with the dream to be a legend
> You have a chip put into your brain that's killing you
> After working so hard you get rid of it and are cured
> You're left paraplegic for the rest of your life
The Tower ending is the equivalent of a singer going deaf or a ballet dancer losing his legs.
It's literally just misery porn for V. He loses everything and even his closest friends, Misty and Vik, are not themsevles at all, Misty in fact is even leaving Night City.
this. tower-gays are depressed idiots who do not understand the search for glory and are satisfied with just living.
It's THE main theme of Cyberpunk 2077:
Quiet Life vs. Blaze of Glory
V would never choose Quiet Life.
How fricking old are you? If anything the ending is for people that understand the life offers endless possibilites and losing your "chrome" is not the end of the world and it's up to you view the future with optimism.
im 25, maybe if it was the only ending but with the sun existing its just a pathetic ending
>im 25
Oh, we have a zoomer here.
you are just jealous of my incredible hair
V's dreams of being a legend ended when The Heist failed and he put a chip into his head that housed the psyche of a psychopath terrorist. Gonk job, gonk move, gonk result.
That Reed was caring enough to get NUSA to save you is a blessing, V should have been killed by Takemura and the chip taken by Hanako to kill Yorinobu with.
uhmm bro?? the sun ending??
V is effectively dead in that ending and Johnny takes over. V is dead. Rogue is dead. Only Johnny lives.
bro thats temperance, the sun ending with dont fear the reaper both v and rogue live
> You're left paraplegic for the rest of your life
Pretending to be dumb on purpose? Nothing even remotely comparable happened to V. He's akin to a child throwing a tantrum because he didn't get to have cake and eat it too.
> Live in a world where you need Cyberenhancements to live, get a job, survive in the streets, survive being mugged, as a comodity, etc.
> Have all of them turned off
>> NOOO THIS IS NOT LIKE BEING PARAPLEGIC
Try getting a job nowadays without a phone or a computer or internet, dumb b***h. Now try getting a job in the future without a tracking chip or a brain USB port or a neck chip slot.
Only combat enhancements and possibly prosthetics that you don't need are disabled. Day to day life stuff is fine like your neural links and shit.
Besides, Reed is going to hook you up with a desk job in Langley where he's the only Black person around so you won't get mugged anymore.
>so you won't get mugged anymore.
Nice so if Reed fells like raping my cute white ass I can't pull some mantis blades to defend myself or anything, i just have to let Black person Reed rape me and stab me? Good to know.
Tower ending SUCKS.
WHY the frick is the game acting like guns and other amazing weapons don't exist in that world? You can get so much done with just a gun in Night City, yet the game is trying to tell me that without the combat mods you're literally out of options. That's stupid and at odds with gameplay.
Morgan Blackhand was mostly ganic and the best solo of all time
>mostly ganic
He literally had a whole cyber arm.
> mostly
Get a cyberbrain so you can pick up some fricking int
>mostly ganic
>Neural processor, Sandevistan boost, smartgun and vehicle Links, interface plugs, chipware socket, nasal filters, two cyberoptics (targeting scope, low-lite, infrared, anti-dazzle), right cyberarm (Rippers, heavy SMG, microwave/EMP shielding, hydraulic rams), muscle & bone lace, Nanosurgeons.
source: TTRPG
Morgan Blackhand is an hypocrite
Why are you so obsessed with gay rape?
My V is very rapeable and without enhancements he can't defend himself against any man who forces himself on him.
Pretty much. V didn't even know most of these "local legends" that Jackie was rattling off.
The only person who got a bad end as a result of V fricking off and not dying is Viktor, and thats the game trying to shame you because Zetatech took over his business. How the frick is that your fault? You couldn't have done anything about it. It would have likely happened in the endings you die too.
Panam? Dumb bawd.
Judy? Really dumb bawd.
Kerry? Who cares.
Johnny? 100% total prick.
Arasaka? Never really had a reason to pick a fight with them, technically you started it.
Takamura? Well, too bad. Thanks for pulling me out of the dump, but I would have crawled back to safety or something on my own maybe if I didn't get in a gunfight with a cyborg ninja on the way out of there. Your existence was some level of proof to your story anyway.
Rogue telling me not to come back to the bar because my legend would dim? Who cares. My "legend" was stealing something from some punk arasaka babby. Saving the president and fricking up dogtown was way more notable.
The only alternative is hoping Mr. Blue Eyes helps. He might.
How do you "lose" everything?
How does Jackie's mom/Viktor/Misty get lost? Those are the core people that matter to V and he's known for a long time
Mama Welles is a fricking b***h, a shit mom, and speaks like dora the explorer.
Vik blows you off and is a sell out and living a miserable life.
And Misty literally leaves.
V has no one but Reed, who outright betrayed him and his "cure" ended up with V being worse than a cripple.
Vik goes corpo and gets sent to a a different city, Misty goes to Poland, explicitly telling you she's never coming back.
>Misty goes to Poland, explicitly telling you she's never coming back.
And she flat out tells you that you can always come with her.
If the sequel reveals that V is living a happy, quiet life in Bialowieza forest, pumping babies into Misty, I wouldn't be surprised.
it's just the opposite of "Don't Fear The Reaper" which has V choose the path of a legend.
Dexter DeShawn asks V if it's better to live big and die young or to be a nobody and die old. Reaper is the first, Reed's cure is the second. Up to everyone to pick what they prefer.
IMO, V even without cyberimplants should be able to find happiness anyway, which is what Misty tells him/her. Depending on how you end it V should be very rich. Finding another love, another path is very much doable. It's not as sad as some say but I do understand preferring The Star and riding into the sunset with Panam.
I mean, it sounds nice to end like that but in reality your mind is rapidly degenerating in that ending. You'll frick Panam for a month or two, and then you'll have cyberalzheimers and be shitting in your cyberdepends. She won't even look at you or throw a pity frick at you and you'll fade away shitting and farting on yourself and die of infection caused by bedsores from when you're left on the same shit encrusted mattress for two weeks at a time. LEGEND STATUS
Panam loves V at that point so she would be cleaning your diapers and singing to him and shit. Loves a treasure anon. Don't be a jaded zoomer incel about it
Love is only possible between two men. Panam will just leave you to frick other men, if she even survives the desert considering it's full of murderers, kidnappers and rapists.
This is the first time I've opened a Phantom Liberty thread since finishing it
Has the same one fricking spamming gay moron really been shitting up every Cyberpunk thread for the last four years?
>for the last four years?
Yes. Seethe.
Kerry and River also cuck you in the monkey paw ending
>it's just the opposite of "Don't Fear The Reaper" which has V choose the path of a legend.
but this was already what the devil relic ending was - you get to survive and maybe even have a quiet life, but you've literally sold your soul and are now arasaka property, the negative consequences were immediately obvious because the game spends the whole story showing you how fricking evil arasaka and the relic program is. the cure ending's negative consequences don't really make sense and feel like they were only written in because otherwise it'd be the unambiguously best ending - losing your implants makes sense but being forgotten by everyone you know is moronic misery porn
you sound gay
>there's not more discussion of it.
Why would there be a discussion?
It pleases literally nobody
Incel waifugays are mad their romantic option leaves them.
People who wanted a powerfantasy are mad the game ends with the protagonist as a lowly NPC
People who wanted an interesting story were deprived of character development for all characters, an Arasaka raid and a boss fight.
Only good thing about it is how realistic the scene in which V gets mugged is, i actually felt PTSD and everything in that scene, everything about it was so kino. The dark alley, the skin color and appearence of the robbers, V being unarmed and completly defenseless, being stopped by both of them not letting you pass. So realistic.
there's a moron on Ganker who posts in all these threads that argues it's a good ending with no downsides, so there's that
i havent been robbed so i feel nothing, describe the realism of it
>describe the realism of it
I literally did you dumb frick. Where the frick do you live that you have never been robbed?
you were probably robbed because you look lile a homosexual, enjoy the ptsd b***h
Not my fault you can't rock pink shorts.
most people in first world nations have never been robbed yknow
>the skin color and appearence of the robbers
kys chud, I'm glad you got robbed and it traumatized you
there's been plenty of discussion about the ending on Ganker for the past few weeks
where the frick have you've been
its a you lose your life by choosing it ending. the path of glory is million times better even more with dont fear the reaper, its also a hopeful ending with blue eyes offering to help you
I prefer that ending too and if V dies in 6 months at least he becomes a motherfricking legend that solo’d Arasaka
>Mr.B
>helping
oh anon....
>Mr.B is the one who got Songbird a ticket to Tycho
>Mr.B has groomed Jefferson Peralez from his fricking childhood
>Mr.B has been mindraping NCorp employees for YEARS
>Mr.B may as well be NOT FRICKING HUMAN
>morons are actually playing that garbage lmao
You're wasting space that could've been used for another anime thred
Why bother. Sun ending/suicide mission is the kino choice
I like this ending. It's literally a status quo reset and a new beginning and it's only as pessimistic as you allow it to be. People are whining about your love interest moving on, but that's the point of this ending - you start anew with carte blanche. It kinda reminded me of MGS 2 ending with a tinge of Mona Lisa Overdrive and how that book handled Case.
>and a new beginning
As an NPC in the city with the highest crime rates in the world.
INBF: Anon starts making headcanons about how V will totally not be an NPC and uhhh get magic biological implants or something even though Misty literally gives you a speech about what it's like to live as an NPC and V accepts it and walks away with the npc crowd.
I am perfectly fine with V living the rest of his life as an NPC. He deserves a rest. I am fine with him being a fixer, hooking up with some new girl and having a bunch of kids with her.
>He deserves a rest.
You think NPCs rest in the city with the highest crime of the world?
Anon the path literally ends with V being mugged. He literally walks away with his face all beaten up.
>I am fine with him being a fixer
So you didn't get the point of the ending at all and you're making headcanons of your V being a relevant again? ugh.
>Anon the path literally ends with V being mugged.
Maybe it has something to do with V spending 2 years in coma and him not being in shape?
>and you're making headcanons of your V being a relevant again?
V literally says that he will try becoming a fixer after Misty tells him that he has plenty of options moving forward.
>V literally says that he will try becoming a fixer after Misty tells him that he has plenty of options moving forward.
No he doesn't lmao. This are your dialogue options. Stay, leave or dunno.
Why do you insist so much on becoming a fixer?
>V's dreams of being a legend ended when
It never ended you stupid frick you have a whole conversation with a Doll about how desperate V is to be someone. V is not you. He's not your self insert.
I'm sorry you don't like V's dream but like, deal with it? You're not playing as yourself you're playing as an established character and his dream is made pretty clear through the rest of the game. You can try and push "H-he can abandon his dream in the Tower/Star ending!". Which are literally the worst endigns of the game and it happens at the very end of the story, not after the heist.
>Reed was caring enough
lol
>No he doesn't lmao.
Jesus fricking Christ.
Funny how the moron stopped replying after this
Do you want me to say "I stand corrected"? It still doesn't mean anything, him saying "maybe i'll become a stripper" won't make it so.
With this doomer attitude, you won't get anywhere in life, anon.
> Picks the bad ending
> Starts spamming threads in internet forums about how it's totally not the bad ending because you know it is and you're insecure about it
> Anons tell you it's the bad ending
>> NOOO ANON YOU'RE A DOOMER YOU'RE A DOOMER DOOM DOOM!!
You should have picked the have a nice day ending, but in real life.
He was telling you that he believes you can be a stripper if you try, ganbatte anon-kun, we believe in you.
based. this whole shit is tower-morons justifying their depressing as balls ending
You're the only ones that consider it "depressing". And only because the game tells you to find it depressing. Anyone willing to actually think about it for 2 seconds will agree it's a positive and an optimistic one.
Just buy a fricking gun, they sell them in vending machines and work just fine on anything other than cyberpsychos with military tech
also rouge literally says that you should not bother showing up in afterlife ever again to not soil your legacy
V doesn't have to stay in NC. Also, V managed to live in NC without players making them godtier strong so they can do it again. It's a dystopia buddy what do you want lol
Yes! I feel like it's rare for an open-world game to have an ending that radically changes the status quo for the player character and their relationship to that world.
what's there to discuss? it's a meta ending designed specifically to piss off people who asked for a happy ending for V
and I don't like devs who troll their audience
no, that doesn't make you clever
I am sorry you didn't get your Marvel superhero ending.
yeah, I get ending for youtube video essayists, that's worse
Lower your expectation of internet discourse. There's been hardly any discussion on it because 99% of posters are morons.
It's a great ending, probably the best ending V could hope for.
Reminds me of the ending of Neuromancer.
Can you use spoiler tags you fricking Black person
There's nothing spoiled in the post. What are you upset about?
It's a more grown-up ending than the one in the movie Gattaca. For all the extra problems the new tech may cause, anybody not getting chipped by Musk Technologies in the future is doomed to a sad, pathetic existence.
...I have a feeling that CDPR's facial mocap tech has improved.
fricking prostitute glad reed put a bullet in her
Does this ending playout at the end of Phantom Liberty or the original game?
If you take the ending at the end of PL it ends the game. If you wait until you have finished the main story to finish PL you can delay it. But you can go straight from after you meet Alt and the voodoo Black folk to dogtown and then complete the game, never meeting hanako or anything like that.
So, it is likely not the canon ending. Something tells me the next game will involve Alt and Mikoshi. V is likely finished. If he comes back, it will be as an NPC, likely as a rogue AI puppet.
Probably. If there is another CP game (and there likely will be) I bet he'll have references scattered around but nothing definitive.
The only base game ending I could see sticking was the one where Mr. Blue Eyes wanted you to go after the crystal palace, and I'd agree with you.
Alt is never going to show up again. She's as irrelevant as a character can be.
I'm talking about a Phantom Liberty ending specifically, using the neural matrix for a cure
both
I'm so mad we couldn't romance her.
I'd prefer to die before I sell out to the glowies
The most interesting thing is how it is a 2 years flashforward and not of the events involve V personally, so it is likely the default future. The only difference seems like Alt doesn't get Mikoshi and NUSA being extra powerful thanks to Songbird
Even matters not directly relating to V show just how little effect anyone has on this world. Reed is kicked upstairs to desk work and is cut off from any updates related to Songbird (who is now facing a fate worse than death, but she's also likely to end up as a rogue AI sock puppet in her ending anyway). The supposed Big Bad of the main game, Yorinobu Arasaka, is revealed to have been removed from power rather anticlimactically by a unilateral decision to just have him disposed of despite being the CEO and heir to the company, with the most damage done being that Arasaka is forced to secede from Night City and relocate its primary focus to Japan exclusively. Arasaka's departure, in turn, only creates a power vacuum that is quickly filled by Militech and numerous other Corporations, with the ensuing chaos ultimately benefiting Myers' dreams of fully restoring the Union under the NUSA's auspices.
Yorinobu was never a bad guy. It was Hanako that was the bad guy, V just never bothered to ask what Hanako's and Yorinobu's long-term goals are, so he just potentially sided with the bad guys like an idiot.
I feel like some parts of the tower ending will still be canon to some extent, like yorinobu eventually relinquishing power since every ending besides devil, he grieves over his dead sister and grand niece who planned to over throw him and thus arasaka being #2 now that NUSA is back to being #1
Most likely. Even the vanilla storyline is V personal story. Nothing you do matters in the grand scheme of things. All the endings are the same except for the one where you side with Arasaka.
No one liked the ending. It's basically a huge frick you like collisto protocol's dlc so of course no one is talking about it.
As for the whole "protagonist becomes normal" angle its been done a billion times in other media.
I liked it. The only part I didn't like was having to screw over SoMi to get it. V needed to be humbled a little.
Ok
I find it amusing how a monster like Adam Smasher is serving a good guy like Yorinobu. While Takemura, a more honourable guy serves the Big Bad himself, Saburo Arasaka.
Songbird is doomed no matter the ending you pick. She'll ended up a pupped of Mr.Blue Eyes.
Songbird is a piece of shit and I cannot imagine why V even had the slightest empathy for her. She interjected him in a situation which had an extremely high likelihood of getting him killed, gave him hope which you knew to be false long before she actually admitted it (I did the side with Songbird and then hand her off to Reed ending, which was extremely stupid too), and tried to kill the president, who might be an ice cold b***h but played it straight with V and who he had no reason to hate or want dead. She betrayed her, she betrayed Reed, she was actively betraying Hansen or whatever the guy's name was. The degree of empathy V had for that moron was uncharacteristic.
fricking simps man, the only reason people didnt side with reeds its cause hes black
Songbird needed a romance story arc to justify V simping for her like a motherfricker.
Yeah, the character was all over the place for me. I feel like there was never a moment when you could actually talk to her, the only time when she's 100% genuine happens seconds before she passes out, so you're left unfullfiled. Need that final escalation and emotional release.
>Songbird is a piece of shit and I cannot imagine why V even had the slightest empathy for her
she cute
The Tower ending is literally for cucks. You either raid Arasaka Tower alone, or you don't do anything. The only person that actually has your back is Johnny, and in the end , you're essentially fighting alongside each other.
>The only person that actually has your back is Johnny
I respect this DLC just for putting Panam Black folk in their place and retconning her into as much of a transactional fickle c**t as every other love interest in the game
But honestly the best person in Cyberpunk is this c**t, which is hilarious because she won't shut the frick up herself about what a greedy sociopathic piece of shit she is yet when the chips are down she literally always does the right thing
Extremely based Rogue chad. Female Simps in videogames are extremely rare, the fact that she not only dies for Johnny/V, gives her kino character development because she redeems herself AND you have the SUPER KINO scene of her telling Johnny he doesn't care about anyone so there's no way he's raiding Arasaka to save V's life and you can say "i've changed" it's like AHHH SUPER KINO AHHH
she's just tsundere
>her name is literally Rogue
>her entire personality is Loveable Rogue aka Jack Sparrow/Han Solo where they constantly b***h about it and threaten to betray the hero yet are actually 100% loyal in action
This would be acceptably juvenile writing if they didn't go out of their way to make all of the other more "moral" characters much less than 100% loyal
What the frick were they thinking
It would be trivial for all ending but the Devil ending to be mixed into one. All you have to do is for Mr. Blue Eyes to give Songbird's cure to V. This still would result in V becoming allergic to military-grade cyberware forcing him to retire and become a fixer.
The only bad thing I found in the new ending, other than the contrived misery, is that the game seems to subtly reference It's a Wonderful Life. Where V not being in his friends' lives for 2 years caused them all to go down a bad path. It kinda makes sense for Hanako and Takemura since they don't have you to do most of the heavy lifting with their little coup but with everyone else, it seems forced.
>Where V not being in his friends' lives for 2 years caused them all to go down a bad path.
I dunno, Judy's happy with her new life. So is Kerry. It just so happens they don't give a frick about you anymore. Only River has go down the bad path. Vic and Misty are just trying to adapt to the new reality and Panam is just having a woman moment.
Why does River cares so much?
Because he's an extremely moral guy and doesn't want the man he loves to see him like that? All broken and evil?
Think someone mentioned before in a previous thread that he was on the edge of going dirty until he met you. You helping him out makes him remain honest but I guess he loses his way once you leave his life.
>woman moment.
doesnt it contradict her words after temperance end?
as far as we know she could've dumb some gonk shit and tried to fight the NUSA and failed before getting the rest of the alacados into real shit
knowing I will never wake up next to Panam makes me want to put a gun in my mouth and pull the trigger bros
Panams are out there, anon. I found one and so can you.
I want to believe
I've been Ganker for 4 years and lifting was getting stale but lifting for Panam has had me much more motivated recently
I've started doing to 100 rep sets to cope with having to move into a shitty little apartment and I imagine Panam cheering me on in my head when I hit that 40-60 threshold and start struggling to catch my breath
It's the equivalent of the quiet life for V. But what makes it tragic is V has to sacrifice most if not all the relationships they made during their merc days.
Lot of people say V is a cripple but I think it's not accurate. Cripple would mean they lost the function to being normal.
In truth they were never normal to begin with after the lifepath change, they had implants and "Abilities" that appeared out of thin air when completing a quest/gig. Now that they've been cured, it's like how they originally were in their lifepath.
Hard part is actually CDPR writing kinda fricked up and retconned lifepaths making a big difference especially in the endings.
If it was a Streetkid V, there's still likely enough dirt V collected that allows them to become a decent fixer.
If it was Corpo, V could have had a desire to join Reed as what's the difference really between a Corpo and a Government Agent
If it was Nomad, V would probably return to the City but end up being a delivery driver as they gave up on two families already. Bakkers and the Aldecaldos.
In the end it's really because CDPR never returned full circle on lifepaths that leaves me feeling sour about the ending. They advertised it to be important, at 2.0 and the dlc they were really gunning to fix it. Then the dlc gets released, and the new ending doesn't care about how lifepaths could still tie in.
Songbird can frick herself
>tee hee help me Ganker and I'll help you
>well technically I did dragged you into political shitstorm but it's okay, because I am sad
>well I am technically Hiroshima level of clusterfrick if my memory get viewed by outsiders
>why are you Ganker? Just because I lied every single time and only had cure for myself doesn't make me bad
>Ganker you wienersucking Judas! Says so I Johny Silverchungus
I really fricking hate her character
Got the ending, loaded my last save, and did the Panem ending again instead. Getting 6 months on the road to help the Aldecaldos stay alive and establish themselves elsewhere before dying in the arms of your loved one is a better way to go
Honestly i felt like every ending was shit in Phantom Liberty, felt like every single person was using me, and that dogshit ending where you get mugged ignoring the fact V has a frick ton of eddies and should be carrying a fricking gun in night city can get fricked. Should of been an ending where You shoot Reed, leave songbird to die on that deck, take that ship to the Moon, cure yourself and frick Lucy's brains out
The moon cure was a trap and songbird knew it. Mr Blue Eyes was going to turn her into a fleshpuppet
Still cant believe that CDPR got away with everything they did, how many times does this shit need to happen before people realize companies could simply choose not to frick over their customers?
To be honest I haven’t played it. I hate homosexuals.