Gamefreak realized long ago that they can put in 0 effort and morons will still eat it up because it has the word pokemon on it. Its the definition of a cashgrab.
>Gamefreak realized long ago that they can put in 0 effort and morons will still eat it up because it has the word pokemon on it. Its the definition of a cashgrab.
Tpbp
This. I was complaining about this shit on a discord server and people jumped in to defend their bullshit. Remember when Iwata had to fix their fricking game?
The Gen IV starters were the absolute best they could do it. >Torterra = world turtle, has an ecosystem growing on its shell >Infernape = Sun Wukong, a monkey warrior and the protagonist of Journey to the West >Empoleon = emperor penguin with inspiration from Napoleon Bonaparte
But then you get >Western royalty + snake >General + pig >Samurai + otter >Warrior + hedgehog >Witch + fox >Ninja + frog >Archer + owl >Siren + seal >Wrestler + tiger >Drummer + monkey >Soccer player + rabbit >Spy + chameleon >Magician + cat >Flamenco dancer + duck
They feel like human roles being applied to animals. Like at least "emperor penguin" exists in nature, that's something they can use. I like Skeledirge because it looks like an animal that can appear in nature, it doesn't look like something trying to imitate a human. I like Infernape because it's based on a fictional monkey in Chinese classical fiction but Emboar being based on Zhang Fei, a human general in Chinese classical fiction is bordering on too much. I can take exception with Fighting and Psychic types because they've always been designed with humanoid traits (brawn and brain), but it seems to be a trend with the later starters. Some ideas (spy chameleon, siren seal) are good, but not necessarily for Pokémon. Like Incineroar taking inspiration from Tiger Mask doesn't mean a wrestling tiger should be in Pokémon.
well written, I agree as someone who liked humanoid mons but it used to be a Fighting and Psychic trait. Which made sense. Naturally, Fighting mons are about martial arts and they usually like to train so they were always a weird missing link between the human and pokémon species, inspired by them.
Even if Conkeldurr literally mixing concrete is a bit too much, at least he was fighting type and it affected the lore (apparently humans learned from ancient Conkeldurrs how to do this).
All these new mons, in the past they'd have probably been fighting or psychic as their secondary type.
Also want to add that I always wanted an "Elephantom", a Ghost (possibly Ghost/Electric if it's reanimated) elephant based on an elephant graveyard. I think it's creative but would still fit in Pokémon's world.
>human roles >siren
At least say opera singer, then.
I originally wrote that but I thought it would seem disingenuous since someone could point out that it's also based on a mythological siren since it's Water/Fairy and its Japanese name alludes to it. Sirens are typically depicted as human women rather than animals pretending to be human, so it's not like Sun Wukong who is a monkey with anthropomorphic traits (monkeys being anthropomorphic isn't that big of a deal anyway, it's just annoying when they get a full drumset). I think Primarina has a good concept, it just sides too close to human, especially since its Z-Move is Oceanic Operetta.
Meganium's only failure is that she's paired with two of the coolest looking starters. People would probably like her a lot more if she'd just been a normal evolution.
Oh nice, thus looks like a 3rd stage Pokémon alright.
But it's still inferior, it fricking drops ALL relation to the previous forms. Goes from yellowish to green and its green leaves become pink flowers.
This is more of a female Tropius, not Chikorita / Bayleef's evo.
When I saw this guy was the first time I thought there was something wrong with new pokemon designs, even if I didn't understand those thoughts at the time.
I'd pick her because of Chikorita and Bayleef, but the other two final evos are so goddamn cool every Hackroon I can never decide which of the 2 I want as my starter.
It's a tossup.
nobody hates charizard, they just hate seeing charizard all the time. there are plenty of other pokemon to spotlight. how do you not understand? is it some sort of learning disability?
Being a fan of Feraligatr and Krookodile I like it, it's just sad Game Freak cant even half ass utilize graphics from 20 years ago to make decent 3d pokemon and refuse to go back to based 2d Sprites
I don't really hate charizard per se;
what I actually hate are all the dumb genwunners clinging onto this thing and the fact that gamefreak kept pandering to these homosexuals.
Yeah, there's nothing strictly wrong with Charizard. What's wrong is how much people fellate it. I'm shocked that the Pokemon shill splatfest managed such even numbers. I have to assume fire-type being given to the gremlin penalized its numbers massively.
Yeah. If not for that it wouldn't be half bad. The sad thing is it's still the best designed one out of the three, and I don't even usually go for fire starters.
It’s to do with having 4 different coloured triangles on its head and white rings around its shoulders and wrists. It’s a sudden change in colour that doesn’t work.
a little of a little of b. something that you notice is that starting from gen 7 the starters changed because they lost something that made them feral. or at least something that made them out to be something that can roam in the wild.
like primarina being water locked when water starters could move on both sea and land without a problem.
Why evolve it? I had a lvl 99 Charmeleon in Red that I brought to Silver (never played any other); cause angry red dinosaur chameleon is cooler than generic orange dragon.
Based. But to answer your question, they are kids that evolve it cause they don't know. And what about the ones that evolve it just to check it out? They can't go back.
The feet are the worst part of the design, it looks like he turns into a balloon animal below the knee. Its ass would be forgivable if it was less human shaped.
Why yes, I totally want a peawiener with adult female anatomy, how could you tell?
Just make a porn game already Gayfreak. There's more porn of Pokemon IP than any other so just shitcan the "for kids" shit and make it M from now on.
>Conquistador duck >In an era when people are taking down Columbus' statues and are mad about the spanish conquest
GF would be shooting on its own feet with that idea. Flamboyant gay pokemon are a better idea.
It's becoming more and more like Digimon design wise while the games are getting worse and worse to the point that the game playing itself is now a selling point. It's my belief that if a game respects itself so little that it needs a feature to play itself, it's a fundamentally flawed game and needs to be completely rebuilt.
It’s because their body proportions are too close to human. Imagine if blastoise had the body type of a ninja turtle. At least totodile was thick and muscular
FRICK OFF, MACHOKE IS MY FAVORITE MON. Just Machoke, Machamp is an ugly downgrade.
From the blurry leaked pictures, duck's final evolution looked like the blue hair was a helmet and the red parts were visor-like eyes. Combined with the noodley limbs, it looked like some sort of high tech alien creature. Too bad it turned out to be just a homosexual dancer instead.
I can't begin to explain you my disappointment. We were all like >MEGAMAN DESIGNS
Then he went from being possibly the best starter we've gotten to fighting for the Worst spot against Primarina, the previous water starter.
Long gone are the days of Feraligatr and Swampert
*sigh*
did he say biped? No, he said ‘suit’ and your picture does not contain suits a person would wear, those Pokémon are too wide, short, and thick to be a person
For me it's that they've done this thing like four times now where the first stage looks like a stylized quadrupedaled animal, and then stage two looks like something out of Sly Cooper.
It's like they're tricking people, having them think they'll get one thing and pulling the rug out from under them.
Frick there are bipedal animals they could use instead of making four legged animals into loony tunes characters
The world is massive and expansive. It's impossible to create such a large world with the graphical fidelity graphic's prostitutes expect. Either way the gameplay is what matters.
>Uuh if you add realistic textures it looks better!
Not to mention the constant pop-in and the fact that it looks overall like grimy shit.
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Anonymous
>if you make the textures of the world match the textures of the characters in terms of detail, it looks better!
Yes. >pop-in
Literally better than Scarlet and Violet.
Uh botw? Gamefreak is richer than Nintendo and Nintendo will gladly work with them when asked.
The real answer is they are lazy and you will buy it anyways.
>jets can hover in place
miss me with that Harrier shit, it costs so much fuel to hover in place they only use it for take offs and landing. what Garchomp is doing there is just moronic
It using wheels would have been stupid but at least gave the wheels a reason to be there, having the wheels do nothing is the one thing they could have done worse and they did it.
This kind of stuff confuses the hell out of my. Like, I get that their initial logic was probably "Oh, plays could find a Garchomp soaring in the skies, that would be a fun encounter!", but like, when you put it in and it looks this bad, I feel like anyone with a sense of logic would say:
1. We should touch this up as it looks very bad.
Or
2. We should drop this idea and just have Garchomp on the ground.
So why do they make it, it looks like shit, and then they just leave it? Like if they don't want to apply the effort to fix it, they could at least remove it in favor of a grounded Garchomp. Is it that it's more effort to simply delete it than they are willing to put forth? Are pokemon games nothing but first attempts with no going back?
The only people holding Game Freak accountable for their actions are Game Freak. It's been this way for literally decades now, yet people still seem to be surprised by it and what it produces, which is shit.
anon these are the same devs that hear "we want cutscene skip" and dont count the endless walls of text where npc's talk at you for 5 minutes as cutscenes that are skippable.
Sadly this. Remember Splat3 selling like 3m in Japan in its first few days of release? SV is looking to have an ever stronger debut there, and that's just Japan.
The games literally only exist to churn out new designs to merchandise, which makes up like 99% of Pokemon's revenue.
Why should they give a shit about the games? It's a merch-driven franchise.
The games used to exist so they could sell games, but now they exist to sell merch. That's why all the designs are cute with round eyes and shit. They literally design them with merch in mind first and foremost because that's where all the money is
More ostentatious gym leader designs are honestly fine, so long as they don't try to combine too many theming elements or get too busy. Grusha, Penny, Elesa, and Klara are all at least fine, as is the top-right girl on the bottom, whoever she is.
Avery is the only one in that bottom line that looks completely moronic. Your "new bad" take would have more weight if you just stuck to the Scarlet and Violet line.
>Sir, I'm afraid your tail is too sharp and is unsafe to be sold as merchandise. We find it to be in the best interest of our company to part ways. You're fired.
its not even the fact that its digital. We've gotten to a point in digital illustration where you can get very close to traditional aesthetic. they are just lazy and know kids and normies will eat this shit up.
its not even the fact that its digital. We've gotten to a point in digital illustration where you can get very close to traditional aesthetic. they are just lazy and know kids and normies will eat this shit up.
digital has been better for pokemon anime backgrounds
also the top in that other image is from a movie, if the cherrypicking wasn't bad enough
Judging by your pic, AG was the best
After that it becomes a mess of neon green garbage
Yep pretty much
Gen 3 had the best looking anime
I feel like gen 3 was the best mix of more competently done visuals (especially on moves and such) and well rendered backgrounds, but really everything before gen 5 has its charms in my eyes. Gen 5 anime was a mistake, even if the games were the last real step forward.
it changed. the original development took 6 years, began as kaiju, then added elemental monsters, then cutesy evolution lines.
notice - 3-clawed feet. cat ears. yellow underbelly. angry eyes. Gen 1 pokemon designs are not only stylistically similar, they are more monster-like. many multiheaded pokemon. more "beasts" to put it one way
They used to make a point to used washed out colors and now they make it a point to use the most oversaturated ms paint colors for everything as much as possible.
It changed but not necessarily for the better. I'd love it if they started releasing Digimon-like designs. Give me more armored mons like Aggron, Bisharp, Corviknight, Genesect, Rhyperior..
And other edgy designs.
Every generation has those. I'd love it if we had more of that.
Those 3 starters are starting to. grow on me as Megaman characters but my initial reaction was >WHAT THE FRICK IS THIS SHIT LMAO THEY'RE NEVER LEAVING THE PC
and that's still my reaction for most of the new dex.
And for SWSH.
I love the Megaman / Digimon designs I DO NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT THOSE but since Unova there's been this issue in which a lot of the dex feel like cereal mascots or something doodled by a preschooler. The designs are just too DUMB and childish in a way they never felt like before.
All of Kanto still feels nicely shaped to me. Muk, Voltorb, they're still rpg creatures to me, get my drift? Designs were simple but still represented the Pokémon franchise in a good way.
Johto has this roundy aesthetic, still extremely cool to the point most Johto mons are SHIT and I still use them because of the visuals.
Hoenn is a mixture, still pretty cool and they're well designed monsters for the most part. Sinnoh tries to be edgier, I dig it even if I don't like most of those mons.
Then Unova crashes in and we start getting things that are just laughable and no serious person would want in their game. Volbeat from Hoenn was the only one that made me feel like >This shouldn't have made it to the final product wtf is this crap?
and I never used it.
I don't even remember the Sinnoh mons.
But Unova is plagued with Volbeat tier flunks, saved by some extremely cool mons and good gameplay.
Kalos was a nice return to the Kanto era, I feel like Kalos small dex was well curated and they felt like first 3-Gens Pokémon.
But Gens 7, 8 and 9 are just fool of shit like Volbeat and Garbodor, they just belong to a shittier franchise like Yokai Watch or Dragon Quest
No one cares about "creativity"
What matters is the quality of design, the amount of detail...etc
Pic related looks much better than your witty transexual themed seal
Moreover, Pidgey is gutsy but still struggles with getting bullied regularly by Spearows and has more background and character appeal than any of the pokemon or humanoid characters from most of the series alike.
Are... are those... non-uniform, natural-lookign shapes? Relatively proportional anatomy? Defined digits and claws? Muted, naturalistic colors? Wait, those eyes, they're... normal. I think I'm going to be fricking sick.
Gen 5 was the worst one. 80% of it was knock offs of Gen 1, the game was full of NPC's who interupted you every 5 feet so some stupid prostitute could yell about how controlling her dad was, the game tried to shove 2deep4u garbage in as a main plot that made no sense in the world.
Gen 5 was where the cancer began and you dumb fricks cheered for it when it came out.
Both. Pokemon is a series aimed at kids, you grew up into an adult, new kids with different tastes came along, and thus, pokemon changed their design philosophies to suit the younger generations.
Both.
Whatever trends were big then aren't the same as they are now. They also didn't feel the need to follow a theme or a role and there also weren't a bunch of middlemen and marketers that decided the roster rather than the design team themselves.
It's gotten corporate, but overall the creativity is still there, albeit to a fault.
Whatever trends or designs they're trying to follow fricking suck. So I say it's fair to claim it got worse from a consumer point of view.
The first generations indeed were free of meddling though, they're what set the standard of WHAT is a Pokémon, by being the first products.
That is a fair point. I do think that recycling Charizard each and every gen would have been a negative, so I get why they try to go with a theme with the new starters, so that there isn't an overlap. You can line up all the starters and tell who's who.
I know the Nido duo is intentional but this is what I mean. A better example could be the electric critters.
Hey that's the GOOD kind of rehashing. I literally make teams composed of mons with that... anatomy.
Tyranitar, Aggron, and those 4.
Also those are from the first Generation, maybe it was to show that there's some kind of consistency to the Pokémon biology and there were multiple T-Rexy species for lack of a better word.
Bulky machines of destruction, I like it.
I agree and I like comparing them even myself. But I get the complaints people make when they're all from the same generation. >T-Rexy
Kaiju. They've been doing the grass maiden since Roselia and even Bellossom but those are spread out between different gens and like you said, I like comparing and even pairing them in teams. Familiarity sells.
I don't want zoomers to feel bad about their games but they should know that they're missing out by veering away from tradition. I made that mistake and only realized later in life that the things I thought were outdated were often more rewarding. It's hard to listen to a boomer tell you that is all.
yeah it changed... for the worse. those designs are atrocious for anyone who isn't currently 5 years old with zero taste or points of reference for what might be better.
>I can't believe something changed in the course of 25 years
Wow anon, truly a remarkable perspective.
That said, Croc looks cool, the other look too lean and human like in their anatomy.
There's actually nothing wrong with that if the sprites and gameplay kept improving. Using your same team in the original Red, Emerald and then Black 2 still provides a vastly different experience and it was fun seeing your older mons all upgraded with new graphics.
In a new region, with new moves and bosses.
From the blurry leaked pictures, duck's final evolution looked like the blue hair was a helmet and the red parts were visor-like eyes. Combined with the noodley limbs, it looked like some sort of high tech alien creature. Too bad it turned out to be just a homosexual dancer instead.
Why hasn't Sony made a Pokémon-like game for ps4? They'd MOG the shit out of this franchise.
Get an identity of catching super fricking cool and edgy monsters and include landscape destruction. Turn based, death, a story about saving the world, 8 cities to visit with their own bosses, an elemental chart and about 150 creatures to catch.
Like a fricking AI, I'd like to input that and see Sony churn out an AAA game like that.
I love the Pokémon gameplay, Pokémon hackroms are one of my favorite rpgs to play, but the franchise just got worse since the ds era.
>worst looking game ever >literally has no partical effect or anything slowing it down >majority of the world is completely stagnant >the gameplay is literally the simplest type of gameplay you could make >still manages to get sub 30 fps
this is a true shit show. why are the pokemon company such buttholes?
I didnt find the game enjoyable enough to complete it, but if there's any monster taming fan that hasnt played it here, please go check it out. The breeding/"fusion" system is just insane for the time.
I still dont get why there's no "new monster tamer" success, there's lots of things that have yet to be done competently in one game, but no ones attempts it ? Is it really that hard ?
I guess the black is supposed to be his natural fur but they just end up looking like clothes, the red rings around his wrists just make it look worse and are wholly unnecessary
>stripes, patterns, designs plastered all over everything like it was made by a graphic designer >extremely high contrast colours and designs, everything needs to be grossly accentuated and exaggerated >stupid looking arbitrary forms sticking out everywhere for no reason
In comparison, Charizard has a simple and cohesive design, a subdued washed out colour palette with simple and pleasing contrasts (just a soft greenish blue on the wings), and no moronic bullshit glued onto him just to make him stand out more. No stripes, no weird patterns or decals. Not to mention you stick Charizard next to Blastoise and Venusaur and they all look like they're from the same world. Charizard next to that thing looks like two different franchises.
Most of the new Pokemon look like visual vomit. They look like they're all trying to stand out as hard as they possibly can to the point they don't even look believable as Pokemon's in-universe animals anymore. They look like shitty overdesigned toys.
>in terms of gameplay? not really
This. Pokemon is like New Super Mario Bros, a cookie-cutter series that refuses to evolve and unleash its potential. A series that will never get its 64, Sunshine, Galaxy, or Odyssey because it wants to keep pumping out NSMB titles in order to push merch sales.
>Gen 1 >Fighting type has bodybuilders and a literal boxer >Psychic type line literally based on magicians complete with trick spoon >Nidoqueen is supposed to be a woman's life cycle and even gets menopause and can't breed >Mr. Mime, no explanation required
Old-good-new-bad-bros...Our response...?
I think there is, it's called nostalgia. Don't get me wrong, nu-Pokémon has plenty of garbage designs, old gens just get some kind of special legacy treatment because millenials still recall living through Pokémania, despite old gens having their fair share of mediocre to bad designs.
If there's any group of people looking at the Pokemon series with rose tinted glasses, it's zoomers who grew up with Pokemon as this already established force in the world, and they don't want to face the fact that the Pokemon games they grew up with are not as good as the Pokemon games that started the series. I bet most people who talk about how much they enjoy the DS games only ever played them on an emulator, or they'd know what a slow slog it is to play compared to every Pokemon game that came before it. Game Freak has been skating by on the bare minimum for so long now, I actually feel bad for kids stuck with this piece of shit Switch game as their first Pokemon experience. It's a damn shame.
Nice reverse psychology, the accusers are actually the guilty ones, they preemptively attack as a cope mechanism because it'd mean their experience was inferior to ours, which is sad but true.
It was just Sinnoh I don't use any speed hacks for Gen 5 and it plays perfectly fine.
But yeah I tried Platinum Renegade without speed hacks and it was such a fricking slog. I'll add that I don't even like the graphics more than the GBA era.
In any case they are appreciated for the sheer content and gameplay upgrades, Gen 4 was the split and Pokémon becoming more competitive.
The 3ds+ eras have nothing to be appreciated for except the Mega Evolutions giving the sickest possible designs ever to some Pokémon beyond their limits but that got canned as a gimmick. If by now every single Pokémon, or at least about 200 has their own Megas (and they got rid of Mega stones), the franchise would be worth buying just to see how your old mons are updated.
1 year ago
Anonymous
> I tried Platinum Renegade without speed hacks and it was such a fricking slog.
It blows my mind how battles haven't been optimized in the entire series. You still have to wait for HP bars to scroll down, you still have to wait for every individual stat change message to display if you get a stat boost/debuff, pokemon still get hit 1 at a time from sandstorm/poison/burn damage, and you still have to wait for crit/effectiveness messages.
All of this shit is very easily optimized, but they never do it. As for gen 4, if you compare battle speed to gen 5, the latter's over 5x faster, it baffles the mind.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I felt so spoiled playing Pokémon on double speed on an emulator and I don’t think I could ever go back.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Same. Been playing a fangame with a speedup option lately and the other day I saw a vid of a gen 4 combat. It honestly looked slowed down, I can't go back to that.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I dunno if my perception's skewed since pokemon wasn't my first rpg like a lot of people, but man is it slow
>DQ: menuing is as fast as you can press the buttons, damage dealt instantly and often to many enemies at once with little delay, messages can flash by at lightspeed, crits display a single line of text as you hear the crit sound effect >FF at least pre-ps1 since i cant speak for anything after 6: ranges from as fast as you can press to a very short delay, damage numbers bounce a little, messages flash by rather fast, crits display a mere graphic or fast line of text >Pokemon: have to wait for the Fight button to get pressed in and play its sound, have to choose your move, have to wait for the hp bar to scroll down (speed is gen-dependant), have to watch each individual hp bar scroll down if you attacked more than 1 foe, even the fastest text speed is many orders of magnitude slower than other games, have to wait 3 seconds for the crit/type effectiveness messages to stop showing
1 year ago
Anonymous
I can respect appreciating the gameplay changes and backend stuff that the later gens introduced. Plenty of it gets baked into your average romhack for a reason, it's good shit that makes more sense for the most part. I just don't understand why anyone who actually enjoys Pokemon would play anything but romhacks these days. You get the best of both worlds, and for free no less. >the franchise would be worth buying just to see how your old mons are updated.
I won't pretend like Annhilape didn't get my blood pumping. It would have been the better path to take, compared to a constantly expanding roster.
I think it's the easy way out to say "nah, old was bad too". Is it that hard to believe Ken Sugimori was simply that much better of an artist that all of his 151 mons might be liked by people?
They just work. That's how art is. You can try to evaluate it objectively but I'd never say Kantomons are mediocre because they just fricking work. Art, concept, execution, sprites, whatever.
No one playing for the first time would have their immersion broken and say >Wow this mon is bad
because they all blend in nicely.
That's not the case the further you go into the franchise. I posted above that the first time I legitimately remember thinking something was shitty, was with the Volbeat duo in Hoenn. That just couldn't be appreciated by me to any capacity. More and more mons that are just jarring start being created and the last 3 Gens are the pinnacle of that.
I'll add I'd try to complain about Sinnoh but the designs were so boring I can't even remember anything to complain about.
his cohesiveness is incredibly underrated especially with gen 2. although i think it was mentioned somewhere that they cutezified a lot of the johto dex you can still scramble gen 1 and gen 2 together and not bat an eye. It legitimately felt that johto and its pokemon built on top of the existing world without feeling really contrived and complimented the kanto dex
"Old bad too" wasn't even my point. It's nearly impossible for anyone to make an objective analysis of the first gen because of how prolific it is. Your post alone is telling me you started with Gen 1, and you clearly have a great sense of fondness for it. >Is it that hard to believe Ken Sugimori was simply that much better of an artist that all of his 151 mons might be liked by people?
It actually is, because he did not by any means design every single one. The poster child and mascot of the franchise with the most merchandise was not even designed by him. Most of the Pokémon started out as simple sprites that Sugimori mostly reinterpreted for key art. This is why there tend to be inconsistencies in early materials.
I've been hardened against giving that much credit to a single artist for why things used to be better. We might be talking about how Final Fantasy was great because of Tetsuya Nomura if not for how much we've learned about him in the director's role as being a clueless tryhard. I think the reality is that even flawed artists and concepts are much more successful when they're driven by a culture that embraces sanity rather than rejecting it. Much of the differences I see between new and old things reflect that in one way or another. The original concept of pokemon was simple and resonates with people's normal side. All of today's concepts are ambitious and only resonate with people who identify with a niche. There's so many niches now that companies want to cast a net to all of them which makes for a terrible experience for pretty much everybody.
tl;dr Ambition bad, not new or old.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>All of today's concepts are ambitious and only resonate with people who identify with a niche.
Orthworm is the polar opposite of an ambitious concept.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I haven't seen the new pokemon that've leaked, but suffice it to say the ambition doesn't lie in a single filler poke. In fact, pokemon is so ambitious now that it's constantly looking for ways to expand despite how much filler there is in everything they do. Their ambition not only allows for lazy, contrived ideas, it incentivizes them.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Then you shouldn't say that all the concepts are ambitious, if you haven't even seen them. Ambition is the last word I would use to describe anything that Game Freak is doing with the Pokemon series right now, and I don't know how you came to such a ridiculous conclusion that being TOO ambitious is Game Freak's problem right now.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I don't need to see the new designs to know what to expect ffs, I know what they've been making all these years already. I also don't think Gamefreak can just make whatever they want. The ambition comes from over their heads and I get the impression they're miserable about it. If I'm wrong about that then so be it, but if you think pokemon's aggressive marketing, accelerated development cycles, and product line expansions aren't a problem of ambition then I say that's a ridiculous conclusion on your part.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>if you think pokemon's aggressive marketing, accelerated development cycles, and product line expansions aren't a problem of ambition then I say that's a ridiculous conclusion on your part.
It's not a problem of ambition, it's a problem of inertia. Nothing ever happens to change the direction that Game Freak is on, so Game Freak just keeps going in the same direction. If there was a single Pokemon gen that actually bombed, and I mean really bombed, then maybe they would have had some sort of reason to change the way they've been doing things for literal decades. Unfortunately, that's never happened. So Game Freak is going to stick with what works, until it doesn't, because they don't care enough to change it. I don't know how you read ambition from their behavior, but you read it completely wrong.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Modern expectations require them to be ambitious, which is why they're paying lip service to an open world experience. They're afraid the people they're trying to sell to won't be interested otherwise, so they're constituated by those ambitions as well. You're not convincing me that's the state of affairs isn't driven by that.
1 year ago
Anonymous
*that the state of affairs isn't driven by that.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You don't have a firm enough grasp on the concept of ambition to continue this conversation. You aren't using the correct word to convey what you're trying to express. We'll just be talking circles around each other if we keep going on.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You sound like a pretentious homosexual narrowed of mind by your own inability to be disagreed with tbh.
1 year ago
Anonymous
He's talking about greed, the ambition for money / reaching every target in the market with guidelines about what to make.
>Is it that hard to believe Ken Sugimori was simply that much better of an artist that all of his 151 mons might be liked by people?
Yes because only a fricking moron thinks Sugimori designed every old mon. The girl who made Sylveon and shit like Musharna created fricking PIKACHU and Charizard.
it's novelty. Pokemon was a new undefined thing. the old ones didn't have a standard to be held to. there was no expectations for them. now there are expectations so new bad designs are judged more harshly.
They were created like that because it's Gen 1. That's what defines their types, Fighting is about human martial arts and Psychic about bending spoons with their mind.
It's the standard. Alakazan has 5000 IQ for problem solving, Mewtwo is a humanified Mew, and the Machop line admired humans and learned how do fight and bulk up from them. But with the exception of Mewtwo who was specifically created by humans, these still felt like animals first mostly imitating the human world.
Also I repeat that's how these types were conceived at all. Fighting needs a human like figure to do punches and kicks and the knowledge of it. Psychic is about great mind power to do tricks.
They do have a pass, no one is complaining about humanoid mons if they had one of those types attached to them.
Headcanon is not always a bad thing, it's just rationalizing what the author put in the game and why it might be that way.
Fighting is fricking obviously about martial arts, their moves are punches and kicks. They had to be humanoid since conception to some degree.
You want Psychic? Your psychic mons that Gen are Jynx, Mr Mime, Mewtwo and Mew who is some sort of God. And they're literally brain powers. Both of these had some human element from the very birth of the type.
Except that's exactly the problem with these kinds of discussions about Pokémon. Almost everyone has their own idea of what Pokémon is like and what they think it should be. Your rationalizations here about types are still oversimplifications because types are not so simple as "psychic only does psychic things and that must mean human-like". Psyduck and Golduck have had psychic capabilities since their inception but don't bear the psychic type nor are they humanoid. A literal bug (Butterfree) is capable of learning psychic moves. Slowpoke and Slowbro are psychic types yet have none of the qualities you mentioned. Types have always been abstractions to some extent.
1 year ago
Anonymous
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1 year ago
Anonymous
>no response so I will schizobabble
Classic
1 year ago
Anonymous
Kanye was right, israelite 🙂
1 year ago
Anonymous
Kinda. But they clearly made some sense to the creator, both the ones you mentioned are morons that happen to have great hidden power in their brains before evolving into Golduck / Slowking and mastering them.
I see some intent still related to the psychic type (and the duck line obviously got fricked even if Gamefreak never confirms it.... GOLDuck should have been the yellow duck and PSYduck its evolution with a psychic type slapped on it)
1 year ago
Anonymous
>(and the duck line obviously got fricked even if Gamefreak never confirms it.... GOLDuck should have been the yellow duck and PSYduck its evolution with a psychic type slapped on it)
This line of thinking feels very restrictive to me. It has psychic powers so it MUST be psychic. I don't think a lot of Gen 1 designs were even made with types in mind and they simply decided after the fact what felt the most fitting or what gaps needed filling. Especially in black and white, nothing about say, the Nidoran line's designs says Poison. They may have gone too far in this respect because you end up with a lot of repeats like a ton of Grass/Poison and Rock/Ground.
The response is that there is no one blanket rule for why old Pokemon worked and new Pokemon don't work as well.
There is something subtle about the design philosophies of the different gen that people can't put their finger on, that has changed with later games.
I think the best example is Leafeon and Glaceon. Glaceon for whatever reason, looks like a gen 1 evee form. Where as Leafeon looks like it's "fan made".
This is probably because early eveelutions had a detail threshold that leafeon breaks with its over detailed leaves.
I think people do in fact, crave some of the older styled angular designs rather than the more spherical new designs they keep creating.
They all look like Sonic enemies.
Well except Tyranitar, it just looks like Tyranitar. They really should've put more effort into that one to make the new design distinct from the existing one.
Last year I played Pokemon Black despite Ganker telling me it was shit. It turned out to be pretty good. That got me thinking, maybe pokemon hasn't gone downhill, maybe Ganker just hates everything, so I played Sword. It was shit.
The point I'm trying to make is the game has genuinely got worse. I had no nostalgia for either of these games, no expectations, no rose coloured glasses.
I think that you are making it up as Gen 5 was pretty good. Gen 6 is the falloff point where more features were removed than introduced along with gimmick forms being introduced.
His dance is an actual dance peawieners do but he barely resembles a peawiener so the dance is wasted and perverted
1 year ago
Anonymous
Cursed design, he cannot be fixed. They should have gone for a more Pidgey-esque look
1 year ago
Anonymous
Unironically a big step up. All it needs now is less ostentatious coloring on its body, with more emphasis on the tail, I think.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Needs a more flourishing tail like a real peawiener, would give it the large definition that is associated with the classic 3rd evolutions.
no idea for the colors and the tail
1 year ago
Anonymous
I'll pretend this is the real design. I already forgot the real one.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>from the same pokemon
lol
lmao even
1 year ago
Anonymous
I hadn't taken a good like at this shit.
That confirms it, it's the same guy who designed Volbeat (of who I have complained multiple times already on this thread).
This shit has nothing to do with whatever they did with Blaziken, no no, this followed the same shit philosophy as Volbeat the one Hoenn mon I disliked and they made it bigger and flashier.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The red rings around the limbs and the face not being buglike are the biggest sins. Eyes should be completely black like beedrill
1 year ago
Anonymous
Maybe make its entire body, including the head, the same color, with the only real difference being around the eyes and the tips of the "arm" feathers? Dunno if that would frick too badly with the visual design.
1 year ago
Anonymous
not sure what you really mean by the entire head, you want to include the red things and the tail too?
1 year ago
Anonymous
The red things can stay, I'm pretty sure some peawieners have flair around their eyes, but HOLY SHIT. I think this is it. >Water droplet motif remains with the tail >Looks like a fricking peawiener, still has full gesticulatory range with hand-feathers >Crest is still an identifiable visual element
Looking good.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Good inprovements but his body needs to be larger to accommodate his large head and arms
The entire concept feels like a Greninja rehash looking at it closely.
I've been hardened against giving that much credit to a single artist for why things used to be better. We might be talking about how Final Fantasy was great because of Tetsuya Nomura if not for how much we've learned about him in the director's role as being a clueless tryhard. I think the reality is that even flawed artists and concepts are much more successful when they're driven by a culture that embraces sanity rather than rejecting it. Much of the differences I see between new and old things reflect that in one way or another. The original concept of pokemon was simple and resonates with people's normal side. All of today's concepts are ambitious and only resonate with people who identify with a niche. There's so many niches now that companies want to cast a net to all of them which makes for a terrible experience for pretty much everybody.
tl;dr Ambition bad, not new or old.
I can faintly understand, yeah. Back then they were all 'just Pokémon', now they're 'Pokémon for... [X category]
No doubt someone likes the trash that is Primarina but it's just because of their particular niche maybe they happen to love mermaids
ok now remove all the warts from venusaur, the red cheeks and colored tips from pikachu's ears and tail, bulbasaur and ivysaur's random doodad scales, etc. don't forget to remove EVERY detail from rhyhorn since you seem to hate them
>Lizard breathing fire >Turtle spitting water >Grass toad
vs >WOAAAHHH MOTORCYCLE METAL GATOR WITH FIREEE >(Can't even comprehend how the homosexual chicken relates to water other than being blue) >grass cat but furry
It's fire fighting. It's allowed to have arms and legs to fight. BUT THE FACE IS STILL THAT OF A POKÉMON / DIGIMON.
Very dinosaury with big alert eyes, the new ones do all sort of facial expressions like Sonic characters that the old designs wouldn't do.
Also the colors and textures match with the series. It's reminiscent of Magmar with the red/orange and yellow, or Charizard / Charmeleon.
The fur is a muted beige color like Linoone, Pidgeot and Ferret.
It meshes well with what you could expect of Pokémon. Not overdone.
Massive Gen 3 bias. Like with everything else, Gen 3 is the started of alot of trends that the fanbase currently hates with a passion but automatically gets the pass because they grew up with it.
Maybe the trends would get a pass if the execution was good. No matter how much one criticizes Kanto for having simple item-like designs, it did everything well.
Hoenn mons are fricking cool even if they break a rule or two. As you can see in Gen 9, people did awesome designs with the leaked concepts, they COULD work with competent designers.
Gen 3's designs was literally the point where people started comparing them to Digimon. People only think Gen 3's designs are good because the amount of fans that started with Gen 3+ drowned out the fans that was here since the very beginning and most of them left. The same thing happened with Gen 4. Muh execution means nothing.
Being compared to Digimon wasn't a bad thing. Notice I called them COOL, they were good.
Now maybe they're still trying to be like Digimon but failing. Earlier I posted I'd be fine if this was a "Megaman generation" with mons reminiscent of those androids but most are just shit.
Gen 3 was in general was just a massive scapegoat and had immense pressure put on it to deliver a sequel after the OG games (First two gens being more like a Gen 1 and 1.5 rather than something completely different from each other). I believe there was absolutely no way to satisfy fans starting anew on more advanced hardware and without Tajiri at the helm, the original games having been pretty much a decade long ordeal of fleshing out ideas. They did an amazing job on RSE all things considered. A sequel was never gonna resemble the first games 1:1
Both, combined with global culture becoming GameFreak's priority rather than solely Japan.
As much as everyone enjoyed it, Pokemania planted insidious seeds that were going to blossom into the franchise's current state, and GO was the growth formula fertilizer.
No point in paying attention to zombie pokemon. Gen 3 was the point at which they definitively decided it would be a neverending franchise but still did a great job trying to make the best games they could, but 3D and lack of mastery of it, the newer art design teams, and questionable gameplay changes all contributed to making something no longer recognizable to a person who was there from the start.
Younger people just getting into pokemon now may have a different evaluation as their gaming sensibilities aren't influenced by boomer games
haha crazy how nobody can make great gen 1 style designs and make a game with all these great ideas haha i just guess the hecking normies are to dumb and will only buy brand name lmao apparently it’s so simple but nobody does it?!?!?
A full region of those fursuits could have worked, I'd play it, but make it a consistent thing. I'd love it if everyone was running around with their team of 6 Megaman characters. Bright red, green, blue, yellow mons standing on two legs representing some sort of theme.
THE FUTURE VERSION COULD HAVE BEEN THIS, WITH A REGIONAL DEX FULL OF MONS LIKE THE WATER / GRASS STARTERS and the Past version could be animalistic stuff and kaijus to act as the bosses to the more heroic Future mons.
Pokemon did change.
There was a slight drop from gen 3-4 when the older shitmons got new evolutions, a HUGE drop from gen 4-5, recovered a bit with gens 6/7, and then went into a free fall from 8 to the present
I can't imagine this as an animal in the wild at all. At least GF should have the decency to make mons like this evolve through friendship - not sure if you have realized, but mons evolving through friendship with a trainer means that they don't exist in nature, so I can accept them being more humanlike, they literally evolve through the energy of a bond with a human, socializing together and stuff.
I'm not sure if that gameplay part is supposed to mean anything in-universe. Starters are still wild animals, and Pokémon professors happen to have 3 of them to gift newbies but they're not supposed to be rarer than a Dratini or Hydreigon I think.
It's just a gameplay thing to make them 1 per playthrough.
There are lizard men wearing wrestling belts and holding spoons living in the wild in Gen 1. Frick off with your fanfics, reddit.
The dex justifies the first one by saying Machop travels the land learning how to fight, and Machamp has mastered all martial arts.
Abra only escapes, so there's probably no wild Kadabras as only a trainer could make it evolve.
There's still the oddballs of Jynx and Mr Mime in the wild, those just... exist like that in weird societies I guess. They're probably hunted and used as slaves.
This image made me realize how much lower the prioritization for character face readability became. I honest to god think they should impose a restriction on their character artists where if the character details can't display correctly within GBA Pokemon sprite size/color limits then rework the design.
There's no difference, you're getting old and lost your childlike wonder. Gain some zest for life, be more comfortable with yourself and it'll re-emerge
... can we return to sprites already? This might have been a good design in the first 5 generations I can see myself loving a skull crocodile back in Unova but these ultra smooth, zero detail textures are the death of Pokémon. Looks like a generic mobile game.
Modern sprite based Pokémon would probably look like the right one while incorporating hundreds of creatures, so yes I want it. They were getting bolder with Gen 5 already. Making a game as massive as Pokémon with those right graphics back in the gba era would have been impossible, but now I'd take it.
Also just you fricking wait, when hackrom artists get to drawing Fuecoco for the gba roms I bet my fricking souls it's gonna look passable, it's just the bad 3d ruining it.
>Also just you fricking wait, when hackrom artists get to drawing Fuecoco for the gba roms I bet my fricking souls it's gonna look passable, it's just the bad 3d ruining it.
But they already have art, the dex or whatever the frick ingame has a small artwork that looks nothing like the 3d model.
>same examples over and over
I see enough of this garbage on /vp/
1 year ago
Anonymous
>>same examples over and over
says the one who posts the double kick webms
1 year ago
Anonymous
The double kick vids work because they literally recycle the animations for all of them and it’s a shitty one to boot.
The Mr Mime gif is literally the exception to the rule and is one of the 0.2% of pokemon that got any animation other than idle near t-posing.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Don't even need to kek almost every move in SWSH that isn't a sig has an equally shitty animation
Modern sprite based Pokémon would probably look like the right one while incorporating hundreds of creatures, so yes I want it. They were getting bolder with Gen 5 already. Making a game as massive as Pokémon with those right graphics back in the gba era would have been impossible, but now I'd take it.
Also just you fricking wait, when hackrom artists get to drawing Fuecoco for the gba roms I bet my fricking souls it's gonna look passable, it's just the bad 3d ruining it.
Imagine seeing shit like the moronic humanoid cat and bird in the wild, in a pack in a forest or solitary on the plains. It doesn’t work.
Literally only the croc would be a viable actual animal. The others only work with humans around and human structures.
>Gen 1: a fire-breathing dragon, a turtle with cannons,a nd a dinosaur with a big plant >Gen 2: an echidna with fire spins, a gator monster and a brontosaurus with a flower growing out of its neck >Gen 3: a rooster kickboxer, a swamp monster and a literal tree lizard >Gen 4: a raging chimpanzee, an ironclad emperor penguin, and a tortoise with an entire ecosystem growing on its shell >Gen 5: a massive boar monster, a Japanese otter with a shell sword, and a regal garden snake
>Gen 6: a fox stylized to be a witch, a frog stylized to be a ninja, and a chipmunk stylized to be a dreadnought >Gen 7: a cat stylized to be a heel wrestler, a seal stylized to be an opera singer, and an owl stylized to be an archer >Gen 8: a rabbit stylized to be a footballer, a lizard stylized to be James Bond, and a monkey stylized to be a band drummer >Gen 9: a crocodile stylized to be a Spanish singer, a duck stylized to be a flamboyant dancer, and a cat stylized to be a masked thief
Japanese otters hold shells, turning a shell into a sword is not a jobmon. It would be a jobmon if it looked like samurai armor. You can't even tell Samurott's shells are swords in the original game.
Well, there's a 25 years long gap between those two. Things change in a quarter of a century.
>Did Pokemon change?
No, it's the same game but shittier.
>Did it change?
>No, it changed for the worse.
>it didn't change but it did
which one is it
>it didn't change but it changed
you really need to learn what some words mean before talking.
Gamefreak realized long ago that they can put in 0 effort and morons will still eat it up because it has the word pokemon on it. Its the definition of a cashgrab.
>Gamefreak realized long ago that they can put in 0 effort and morons will still eat it up because it has the word pokemon on it. Its the definition of a cashgrab.
Tpbp
This. I was complaining about this shit on a discord server and people jumped in to defend their bullshit. Remember when Iwata had to fix their fricking game?
More 'Choke
I still do not understand why anime Machoke wasn't purple
So Machop just grows a fricking golden belt with the letter P? What the frick kind of evolution is that?
No, humans give them Power Belts to suppress their strength.
One of the worst designs in all of gen 1, right alongside all the other fighting types from gen 1.
yeah a design so bad it has some of the most fanart
>not liking mankey and primeape
frick you
You mean to tell me that every single Farfetchd is carrying a leak or some shit?
I want him to Machoke me
That's not a starter.
Nobody said it had to be, and even then you're wrong.
>Nobody said it had to be
Except I did, cope.
>and even then you're wrong.
>Spinoff game
Doesn't count.
Nice try, why are you posting shit from Deviantart? Post the real evolutions.
Anon, I…
Both. Pokemon has always been a game for kids, and kids are simply interested in different things now compared to when we were kids.
shitty mascot designs ruined pokemon
Blaziken was as bad as those bipedal s/v starters
Agreed, didn’t look anything like a chicken anyway.
Blaziken's popularity is what led to almost every following starter being some shitty fursuit.
The Gen IV starters were the absolute best they could do it.
>Torterra = world turtle, has an ecosystem growing on its shell
>Infernape = Sun Wukong, a monkey warrior and the protagonist of Journey to the West
>Empoleon = emperor penguin with inspiration from Napoleon Bonaparte
But then you get
>Western royalty + snake
>General + pig
>Samurai + otter
>Warrior + hedgehog
>Witch + fox
>Ninja + frog
>Archer + owl
>Siren + seal
>Wrestler + tiger
>Drummer + monkey
>Soccer player + rabbit
>Spy + chameleon
>Magician + cat
>Flamenco dancer + duck
They feel like human roles being applied to animals. Like at least "emperor penguin" exists in nature, that's something they can use. I like Skeledirge because it looks like an animal that can appear in nature, it doesn't look like something trying to imitate a human. I like Infernape because it's based on a fictional monkey in Chinese classical fiction but Emboar being based on Zhang Fei, a human general in Chinese classical fiction is bordering on too much. I can take exception with Fighting and Psychic types because they've always been designed with humanoid traits (brawn and brain), but it seems to be a trend with the later starters. Some ideas (spy chameleon, siren seal) are good, but not necessarily for Pokémon. Like Incineroar taking inspiration from Tiger Mask doesn't mean a wrestling tiger should be in Pokémon.
>human roles
>siren
At least say opera singer, then.
well written, I agree as someone who liked humanoid mons but it used to be a Fighting and Psychic trait. Which made sense. Naturally, Fighting mons are about martial arts and they usually like to train so they were always a weird missing link between the human and pokémon species, inspired by them.
Even if Conkeldurr literally mixing concrete is a bit too much, at least he was fighting type and it affected the lore (apparently humans learned from ancient Conkeldurrs how to do this).
All these new mons, in the past they'd have probably been fighting or psychic as their secondary type.
Also want to add that I always wanted an "Elephantom", a Ghost (possibly Ghost/Electric if it's reanimated) elephant based on an elephant graveyard. I think it's creative but would still fit in Pokémon's world.
I originally wrote that but I thought it would seem disingenuous since someone could point out that it's also based on a mythological siren since it's Water/Fairy and its Japanese name alludes to it. Sirens are typically depicted as human women rather than animals pretending to be human, so it's not like Sun Wukong who is a monkey with anthropomorphic traits (monkeys being anthropomorphic isn't that big of a deal anyway, it's just annoying when they get a full drumset). I think Primarina has a good concept, it just sides too close to human, especially since its Z-Move is Oceanic Operetta.
>General + pig
>he knows about sun wukong but not about zhu bajie
lmao fricking moron
It's funny because people hate Charizard now and people like the crocodile because it's actually a quadruped monster
Apologize
She cute
i like meganium not as great as vensaur but the gen 2 starters still embodied classic Pokémon design
she was robbed.
Bayleef wanting to frick Ash was super fricking weird for a kid’s show. Nips truly are the ultimate coomers
Meganium's only failure is that she's paired with two of the coolest looking starters. People would probably like her a lot more if she'd just been a normal evolution.
>defensive starter
Outside of that, I've always liked the design. It's girlier Venusaur.
>girlier
Meganium was capable of being cool when it needed to be, just see the scenes of it fighting Ash's Pikachu or Bulbasaur.
Oh nice, thus looks like a 3rd stage Pokémon alright.
But it's still inferior, it fricking drops ALL relation to the previous forms. Goes from yellowish to green and its green leaves become pink flowers.
This is more of a female Tropius, not Chikorita / Bayleef's evo.
>buds turn into flowers
>flesh becomes greener with chlorophyll to compensate
>still the same overall body plan as bayleef
Don't see the issue tbh.
>the fricking seedpods on Chikorita are finally in bloom
>ALL relation
moron alert bwoop bwoop
You're moronic and lack even a minor understanding of plants.
When I saw this guy was the first time I thought there was something wrong with new pokemon designs, even if I didn't understand those thoughts at the time.
Those thoughts are autism
>Has to compete to feraligator and Typhlosion
She never stood a chance, those are some of the best designs in the series
I'd pick her because of Chikorita and Bayleef, but the other two final evos are so goddamn cool every Hackroon I can never decide which of the 2 I want as my starter.
It's a tossup.
>people hate Charizard now
Reminder that Ganker and /vp/ are not "people" and that's not even close to being the general consensus.
nobody hates charizard, they just hate seeing charizard all the time. there are plenty of other pokemon to spotlight. how do you not understand? is it some sort of learning disability?
Being a fan of Feraligatr and Krookodile I like it, it's just sad Game Freak cant even half ass utilize graphics from 20 years ago to make decent 3d pokemon and refuse to go back to based 2d Sprites
I don't really hate charizard per se;
what I actually hate are all the dumb genwunners clinging onto this thing and the fact that gamefreak kept pandering to these homosexuals.
Yeah, there's nothing strictly wrong with Charizard. What's wrong is how much people fellate it.
I'm shocked that the Pokemon shill splatfest managed such even numbers. I have to assume fire-type being given to the gremlin penalized its numbers massively.
The obese smarks on /vp/ aren’t people.
smarks?
Get a clue, jabronie.
My friend I offer this advice in complete sincerity. Delete this post immediately.
We don't use that word here.
Its not fair waterbros. We used to look like chads, now we got 3 trannies in a row
Empoleon still remains best water starter
Bottom left looks cool.
Bottom right looks like she has a sex dungeon where she keeps human boys captive
Bottom left is a little too overdesigned, doesn’t need that many lines/shapes
Yeah. If not for that it wouldn't be half bad. The sad thing is it's still the best designed one out of the three, and I don't even usually go for fire starters.
You're autistic, it has less detail than a fricking real crocodile.
It’s to do with having 4 different coloured triangles on its head and white rings around its shoulders and wrists. It’s a sudden change in colour that doesn’t work.
I just hate that pokemon look less like animals nowadays. Fire one looks fine I guess but why does a cat tyrn into a biped, again?
a little of a little of b. something that you notice is that starting from gen 7 the starters changed because they lost something that made them feral. or at least something that made them out to be something that can roam in the wild.
like primarina being water locked when water starters could move on both sea and land without a problem.
It hasn't changed much aside from having less and less soul
Gold > Ethan
you grew up wanting to frick pokemon
Wtf is that middle thing? And the one on the end is just leaning into furgays.
It's what you get when you hit the slay button
I like the tail design and the dancing as it’s a peawiener but having it look like a guy in a suit is stupid
The animation looks great, but the design is still overall moronic.
I hate the gigantic ass it has, at that point put it on an actual duck instead of making it humanoid
I think this duck talks with a lisp.
Why is a furry pedo chasing a child?
You just answered your own question.
What the frick. How did they approve this? Im convinced GF hates pokemon and is trolling us
I can hear the voice being Hank Azaria's "gay hispanic man"
Literally.
?t=184
I always wondered how disabling the gunner droid somehow caused the entire ship to list and swing the turret
I think it's an homage to this scene from the Last Crusade.
?t=399
I legitimately feel bad for all the kids picking the cute duck and ending up with this gay fur gay abomination without knowing it
It’s 1:1 how I felt picking cute torchick and having it turn into whatever the frick Blaziken was
Blaziken is hot
Why evolve it? I had a lvl 99 Charmeleon in Red that I brought to Silver (never played any other); cause angry red dinosaur chameleon is cooler than generic orange dragon.
Based. But to answer your question, they are kids that evolve it cause they don't know. And what about the ones that evolve it just to check it out? They can't go back.
Yeah, same with kids picking the cool fire cat and ending up with Incineroar out of fricking nowhere.
Welcome to gem 3. Torchic ended up being the biggest dissappointment.
I actually like how they made this the most stereotypical gay thing in existence.
This should've been Ludicolo's animation
So much for making a game that reminds children of what it's like to stay in touch with nature.
>Sylvando but pokemon
it's not a bad idea but holy shit stop it with the humanoid proportions already
>linking Sylvando to that hot garbage with ZUN-level sausagefeet
cease
some waterbirds do have feet like that though, it's not random
Cute Peawienermon
The feet are the worst part of the design, it looks like he turns into a balloon animal below the knee. Its ass would be forgivable if it was less human shaped.
Why did they start copying digimon?
Why yes, I totally want a peawiener with adult female anatomy, how could you tell?
Just make a porn game already Gayfreak. There's more porn of Pokemon IP than any other so just shitcan the "for kids" shit and make it M from now on.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
making a region basic on spicland was a mistake
Both, mostly the former.
CAT PUSSY
CAT PUSSY
CAT PUSSY!!!!!
These final evolutions are legitimately the worst in the ENTIRE series. Holy fricking shit
Gen 5 had some awful ones too, it's probably a tossup between 5 and 9
Gen 5's biggest sins is Samurott not attempting to stand up in it's animation
Gen 8 was equally shitty, the Gorilla was the only decent one.
Zodiacbros....it's over...
Male crocodiles are called BULLS
This doent disprove the zodiac theory
Zodiac is dead because japan doesn't call them bulls.
Antio zodiacgay cope
>zodiacgay coping so hard he can't even type anymore
Both, you got older and have higher expectations but also the game got way shittier
pokemon is for babies
R.I.P conquistador duck idea. Would have been cooler
>Conquistador duck
>In an era when people are taking down Columbus' statues and are mad about the spanish conquest
GF would be shooting on its own feet with that idea. Flamboyant gay pokemon are a better idea.
It's becoming more and more like Digimon design wise while the games are getting worse and worse to the point that the game playing itself is now a selling point. It's my belief that if a game respects itself so little that it needs a feature to play itself, it's a fundamentally flawed game and needs to be completely rebuilt.
>Picked bird thinking itd be cool
>It's the gayest of the bunch
I was so close to picking the croc god dammit.
you know him well
hes finally back to take it up the tail
why is the cat doing the N pose
I don't get what the deal is with anti-biped autism. My favorite starter is a biped all the way through.
It’s because their body proportions are too close to human. Imagine if blastoise had the body type of a ninja turtle. At least totodile was thick and muscular
Because its fricking boring, we dont need every started to be a human with a job but thats what they are now
maybe once or twice but they've overdone it recently.
also it's not biped (feraligatr still looks like an animal) its full on humanoid.
feraligatr is full fat bara scalie
The concept of pokemon was based on catching bugs from nets not from the crotch of a gyrating freak in a fursuit.
Huh uh.
Never liked those or any of the fighter types, they stand out like a sore thumb.
FRICK OFF, MACHOKE IS MY FAVORITE MON. Just Machoke, Machamp is an ugly downgrade.
I can't begin to explain you my disappointment. We were all like
>MEGAMAN DESIGNS
Then he went from being possibly the best starter we've gotten to fighting for the Worst spot against Primarina, the previous water starter.
Long gone are the days of Feraligatr and Swampert
Almost all of the original Pokemons were bi-peds.
*sigh*
did he say biped? No, he said ‘suit’ and your picture does not contain suits a person would wear, those Pokémon are too wide, short, and thick to be a person
Anon those look like rubber kaiju suits
I could see like 80% of that page fighting Godzilla
still looks better
>*sigh*
*rapes u*
And yet they all appear as simple creatures of a habitat rather than a pervert in a fursuit. I'm pretty sure my point isn't phased by this.
Those are bipedal animals, not fursuits.
For me it's that they've done this thing like four times now where the first stage looks like a stylized quadrupedaled animal, and then stage two looks like something out of Sly Cooper.
It's like they're tricking people, having them think they'll get one thing and pulling the rug out from under them.
Frick there are bipedal animals they could use instead of making four legged animals into loony tunes characters
>Yeah & Nah
heh
Not bad, but the final evolution having that huge boomerang behind it looks silly
Aussie game better have young dicky and old c**t
nothing in heartgold looked this bad.
Gartchomp is themed after a jet engine, this is intentional.
Is the Super Mario 64 world also intentional?
The world is massive and expansive. It's impossible to create such a large world with the graphical fidelity graphic's prostitutes expect. Either way the gameplay is what matters.
>It's impossible to create such a large world with the graphical fidelity graphic's prostitutes expect
>Uuh if you add realistic textures it looks better!
Not to mention the constant pop-in and the fact that it looks overall like grimy shit.
>if you make the textures of the world match the textures of the characters in terms of detail, it looks better!
Yes.
>pop-in
Literally better than Scarlet and Violet.
The Switch is literally weaker than the Wii U.
>Either way the gameplay is what matters
>Pokemon
>good gameplay
Are you serious right now?
Uh botw? Gamefreak is richer than Nintendo and Nintendo will gladly work with them when asked.
The real answer is they are lazy and you will buy it anyways.
>jets can hover in place
miss me with that Harrier shit, it costs so much fuel to hover in place they only use it for take offs and landing. what Garchomp is doing there is just moronic
Then why the frick is it Dragon/Ground and has no flying abilities?
Land Shark joke. Vaguely based on the Bullete from DND.
It's also themed after a shark, and sharks don't fly
I don't care what it's themed after, it looks fricking stupid
It is fascinating to me that literally every Switch game looks better than Pokemon games.
does it just balance a tire between its ass cheeks? why?
SV box legends are motorcycle lizards
It doesn't even use the wheels btw
It using wheels would have been stupid but at least gave the wheels a reason to be there, having the wheels do nothing is the one thing they could have done worse and they did it.
Good thing it has no wheels then
It's the creature's tail curled up. It also has an inflatable tire crest on its chest for the other wheel.
Yes, it's moronic.
That reminds me of Ultimate Weapon flying around in FF7 but that was a 25 year old game
This kind of stuff confuses the hell out of my. Like, I get that their initial logic was probably "Oh, plays could find a Garchomp soaring in the skies, that would be a fun encounter!", but like, when you put it in and it looks this bad, I feel like anyone with a sense of logic would say:
1. We should touch this up as it looks very bad.
Or
2. We should drop this idea and just have Garchomp on the ground.
So why do they make it, it looks like shit, and then they just leave it? Like if they don't want to apply the effort to fix it, they could at least remove it in favor of a grounded Garchomp. Is it that it's more effort to simply delete it than they are willing to put forth? Are pokemon games nothing but first attempts with no going back?
>So why do they make it, it looks like shit, and then they just leave it?
They don't think it looks like shit.
The only people holding Game Freak accountable for their actions are Game Freak. It's been this way for literally decades now, yet people still seem to be surprised by it and what it produces, which is shit.
Like, I get that, but the idea that a functioning human being can care so little about what they do just continues to astound me.
anon these are the same devs that hear "we want cutscene skip" and dont count the endless walls of text where npc's talk at you for 5 minutes as cutscenes that are skippable.
It will sell like hotcakes and everyone ignores these issues.
Sadly this. Remember Splat3 selling like 3m in Japan in its first few days of release? SV is looking to have an ever stronger debut there, and that's just Japan.
it changed in the sense that they give zero fricks about it because people keep giving them max sales anyway
This. Pokémon games are too successful for their own good.
The games literally only exist to churn out new designs to merchandise, which makes up like 99% of Pokemon's revenue.
Why should they give a shit about the games? It's a merch-driven franchise.
I like the fire crocodile, the other 2 look gay. Why does every final evolution starter have to be humanoid now?
Cat > Alligator > Duck
The gimmicky themeing ruined starter pokemon for sure.
BURN TO THE GROUND
BURN TO THE GROUND
BURN TO THE GROUND
Be sick if X7 had open world RE engine remake
frick off, digimon gay
>digimon
that's obviously a megaman
>digimon
its megaman ya fricking moron
The games used to exist so they could sell games, but now they exist to sell merch. That's why all the designs are cute with round eyes and shit. They literally design them with merch in mind first and foremost because that's where all the money is
Even as a kid I would have disliked these designs for merch and toys, who are these homosexual kids ruining Pokémon for me?
>no Battle Tower
I refuse to accept this is true. There's literally no way...
They also removed the set battle option lol.
i dont understand why they have to dumb down and simplify what was already a childrens game.
Focus-test children were probably flipping the setting, not knowing what it does, then crying when suddenly the game is a bit more difficult.
Don't worry bro you'll get some shitty overpriced DLC in 2 years that has a really shitty version of a battle hut
It's true lmao.
No E4 rematches either.
what the frick
I wanna FRICK that cat.
There are already MANY analysis made on this
Yes it changed, times change
Not for the best but it is inevitable
MJ?
the fire gator is the only one that looks like a traditional pokemon instead of just some fursuit homosexual like the water and grass are.
Alola has the highest quality little girl c**ts in the franchise. Nice to see it isn't being insulted by being used in memes.
It's also the moment where pokemon went to more shit than thought possible
I think I started to dislike even SM more when I learned how much it appealed to coomers...
Appealing to coomers isn't a bad thing if the game is already good, but if the game is bad it's kind of a mess.
shut the frick up
More ostentatious gym leader designs are honestly fine, so long as they don't try to combine too many theming elements or get too busy. Grusha, Penny, Elesa, and Klara are all at least fine, as is the top-right girl on the bottom, whoever she is.
That gen of human characters still had good designs, the current one they are all grey and bland
Avery is the only one in that bottom line that looks completely moronic. Your "new bad" take would have more weight if you just stuck to the Scarlet and Violet line.
>only one in that bottom line that looks completely moronic
(You) need better taste
>elesa
you are a shit
Elesa isn't a bad design but her proportions are moronic
Have you never seen a supermodel before
gen 5 killed the series
Gen 5 was the last gasp of the series before it was killed.
Character designs remained fine until gen 9.
Gen 5 was the last hurrah for the franchise.
>save GF
He left on 2012 and passed away on 2015…
I hate modernity. The world truly died in the 2000s
LHC shifted us to a new timeline, yes.
it's like someone said, "um, excuse me sweaty, sharp and deliberate edges?! don't you know how problematic that is?!"
when you put it that way im reminded that their primary source of income is merchandise.
>Sir, I'm afraid your tail is too sharp and is unsafe to be sold as merchandise. We find it to be in the best interest of our company to part ways. You're fired.
The zoomers didn't ask for it they just didn't have the will or wherewithal to fight it. We are all boomers in that regard.
>decepticons vs autobots
>top jobber
>bottom world champ
Hmmmmm
Bottom is SM, not SwSh
Oh well he still won in that too
Who is still watching the anime and how in the world do you stomach it? This reminds me of some old chinese knockoff of 90s anime.
I watch it with my kids it's actually not that bad. Better than the new games
I'm a big g5 fan but the anime was fricking ugly.
Digital is an abomination
its not even the fact that its digital. We've gotten to a point in digital illustration where you can get very close to traditional aesthetic. they are just lazy and know kids and normies will eat this shit up.
digital has been better for pokemon anime backgrounds
also the top in that other image is from a movie, if the cherrypicking wasn't bad enough
bob ross would be proud
Judging by your pic, AG was the best
After that it becomes a mess of neon green garbage
Yep pretty much
Gen 3 had the best looking anime
>The purrloin episode
That's the donphan that flattens May and my weird ass anime wild take fetish was born.
what mental illness do you have to have to think 3 looks better than 2
I hate that puke green saturated color the new series have. Digital painting can look great but the artists here are just trying to blind you.
I feel like gen 3 was the best mix of more competently done visuals (especially on moves and such) and well rendered backgrounds, but really everything before gen 5 has its charms in my eyes. Gen 5 anime was a mistake, even if the games were the last real step forward.
The simpler watercolor designs in the top row look far better. More detailed=/=better
Yes, its shit now.
You are gonna buy it anyways
People keep saying this as I and everyone I know continues to not buy things.
Just play pureRGB or polished crystal for peak pokemon then
it changed. the original development took 6 years, began as kaiju, then added elemental monsters, then cutesy evolution lines.
notice - 3-clawed feet. cat ears. yellow underbelly. angry eyes. Gen 1 pokemon designs are not only stylistically similar, they are more monster-like. many multiheaded pokemon. more "beasts" to put it one way
it's people fault they didn't appreciate the kaiju toad dino monsters more than the furbait dragon
W-why is that cat looking at me that way?
It wants to cry for help but can't, so it's pretending to enjoy being a freak. Many such cases.
It doesn't matter. Kids and adult manchild Pokeautists will still buy the game by the millions.
Gamefreak could make a starter that's a giant turd and they would still buy it.
They used to make a point to used washed out colors and now they make it a point to use the most oversaturated ms paint colors for everything as much as possible.
It changed but not necessarily for the better. I'd love it if they started releasing Digimon-like designs. Give me more armored mons like Aggron, Bisharp, Corviknight, Genesect, Rhyperior..
And other edgy designs.
Every generation has those. I'd love it if we had more of that.
Those 3 starters are starting to. grow on me as Megaman characters but my initial reaction was
>WHAT THE FRICK IS THIS SHIT LMAO THEY'RE NEVER LEAVING THE PC
and that's still my reaction for most of the new dex.
And for SWSH.
I love the Megaman / Digimon designs I DO NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT THOSE but since Unova there's been this issue in which a lot of the dex feel like cereal mascots or something doodled by a preschooler. The designs are just too DUMB and childish in a way they never felt like before.
All of Kanto still feels nicely shaped to me. Muk, Voltorb, they're still rpg creatures to me, get my drift? Designs were simple but still represented the Pokémon franchise in a good way.
Johto has this roundy aesthetic, still extremely cool to the point most Johto mons are SHIT and I still use them because of the visuals.
Hoenn is a mixture, still pretty cool and they're well designed monsters for the most part. Sinnoh tries to be edgier, I dig it even if I don't like most of those mons.
Then Unova crashes in and we start getting things that are just laughable and no serious person would want in their game. Volbeat from Hoenn was the only one that made me feel like
>This shouldn't have made it to the final product wtf is this crap?
and I never used it.
I don't even remember the Sinnoh mons.
But Unova is plagued with Volbeat tier flunks, saved by some extremely cool mons and good gameplay.
Kalos was a nice return to the Kanto era, I feel like Kalos small dex was well curated and they felt like first 3-Gens Pokémon.
But Gens 7, 8 and 9 are just fool of shit like Volbeat and Garbodor, they just belong to a shittier franchise like Yokai Watch or Dragon Quest
No one cares about "creativity"
What matters is the quality of design, the amount of detail...etc
Pic related looks much better than your witty transexual themed seal
Moreover, Pidgey is gutsy but still struggles with getting bullied regularly by Spearows and has more background and character appeal than any of the pokemon or humanoid characters from most of the series alike.
Are... are those... non-uniform, natural-lookign shapes? Relatively proportional anatomy? Defined digits and claws? Muted, naturalistic colors? Wait, those eyes, they're... normal. I think I'm going to be fricking sick.
Bros I'm not a furry but the cat makes me hard what does this mean?
It changed and we're growing up, so we can understand that it changed to sell more merchandise to children.
there were always shitty pokemon designs but over the years there have just been significantly less good ones. pokemon shoud have ended with gen 5
Gen 5 was the worst one. 80% of it was knock offs of Gen 1, the game was full of NPC's who interupted you every 5 feet so some stupid prostitute could yell about how controlling her dad was, the game tried to shove 2deep4u garbage in as a main plot that made no sense in the world.
Gen 5 was where the cancer began and you dumb fricks cheered for it when it came out.
How's that deconstructionism working out for you?
Both. Pokemon is a series aimed at kids, you grew up into an adult, new kids with different tastes came along, and thus, pokemon changed their design philosophies to suit the younger generations.
Anon nothing change what happens is that you just grow up....
I can’t believe 2/3 starters end up as a human shaped design. Especially when they know that most people don’t like those designs.
Both.
Whatever trends were big then aren't the same as they are now. They also didn't feel the need to follow a theme or a role and there also weren't a bunch of middlemen and marketers that decided the roster rather than the design team themselves.
It's gotten corporate, but overall the creativity is still there, albeit to a fault.
Whatever trends or designs they're trying to follow fricking suck. So I say it's fair to claim it got worse from a consumer point of view.
The first generations indeed were free of meddling though, they're what set the standard of WHAT is a Pokémon, by being the first products.
That is a fair point. I do think that recycling Charizard each and every gen would have been a negative, so I get why they try to go with a theme with the new starters, so that there isn't an overlap. You can line up all the starters and tell who's who.
I know the Nido duo is intentional but this is what I mean. A better example could be the electric critters.
Hey that's the GOOD kind of rehashing. I literally make teams composed of mons with that... anatomy.
Tyranitar, Aggron, and those 4.
Also those are from the first Generation, maybe it was to show that there's some kind of consistency to the Pokémon biology and there were multiple T-Rexy species for lack of a better word.
Bulky machines of destruction, I like it.
I agree and I like comparing them even myself. But I get the complaints people make when they're all from the same generation.
>T-Rexy
Kaiju. They've been doing the grass maiden since Roselia and even Bellossom but those are spread out between different gens and like you said, I like comparing and even pairing them in teams. Familiarity sells.
They changed, but so did Japanese tastes. You're seeing new monsters try to keep up with it.
I don't want zoomers to feel bad about their games but they should know that they're missing out by veering away from tradition. I made that mistake and only realized later in life that the things I thought were outdated were often more rewarding. It's hard to listen to a boomer tell you that is all.
Trying to get female starter. Just noticed, when im giving it a nickname, it shows me the gender of the pokemon. Thats a new thing, right?
>Thats a new thing, right?
Gender was already showing during nickname screen in Gen 3 (and maybe even Gen 2 but I dont remember)
Huh, never noticed it then i guess. At least now i dont have to sit through the cutscene to see the gender
Pocket Monsters -> Poke Molesters
The fire crocodile is a sorta novel design.
The other two are basically just furries though, automatically making them shit-tier.
yeah it changed... for the worse. those designs are atrocious for anyone who isn't currently 5 years old with zero taste or points of reference for what might be better.
>I can't believe something changed in the course of 25 years
Wow anon, truly a remarkable perspective.
That said, Croc looks cool, the other look too lean and human like in their anatomy.
'did pokemon change?'
are you expecting them to use the same pokemon again or something?
There's actually nothing wrong with that if the sprites and gameplay kept improving. Using your same team in the original Red, Emerald and then Black 2 still provides a vastly different experience and it was fun seeing your older mons all upgraded with new graphics.
In a new region, with new moves and bosses.
>humanoid Pokemon REEEEEE
EVERY
SINGLE
FRICKING
GENERATION
zoophiles fear the hmofa. just go look at e621 comments. lol. theyre want to play scorched earth so bad.
Crocodile is cool, the cat is fine, but that demon duck is awful.
From the blurry leaked pictures, duck's final evolution looked like the blue hair was a helmet and the red parts were visor-like eyes. Combined with the noodley limbs, it looked like some sort of high tech alien creature. Too bad it turned out to be just a homosexual dancer instead.
I thought the theme of these games was supposed to be past vs future?
Seems like 99% of the designs just ignore that.
Fish Pokemon consistently get good designs.
Fish are also vibrant and varied in their anatomy and coloration so it's hard to mess them up.
everyone has started to jerk off to pokemons
You just posted that you like to jerk off to Pokémon in the DBS thread, didn't you? Because someone said that just now.
The fire alligator isn't horrible. Nowhere near good, but not as bad as the other two.
Fire gator could have been really cool if they put a little more into the design. Like, make it bigger first of all.
A game that looks this shitty should not be running at 20fps.
Why hasn't Sony made a Pokémon-like game for ps4? They'd MOG the shit out of this franchise.
Get an identity of catching super fricking cool and edgy monsters and include landscape destruction. Turn based, death, a story about saving the world, 8 cities to visit with their own bosses, an elemental chart and about 150 creatures to catch.
Like a fricking AI, I'd like to input that and see Sony churn out an AAA game like that.
I love the Pokémon gameplay, Pokémon hackroms are one of my favorite rpgs to play, but the franchise just got worse since the ds era.
I just realized exactly above my post there's this anon posting what I'd expect a Sony monster-catching game to look like. Mostly armored / Mecha mons
>Why hasn't Sony made a Pokémon-like game for ps4?
Because you never bought Invizimals.
How does DQ11 both look better than this on top of running better?
Because the DQ team is one of the last competent dev teams that SE still has.
DQ Treasures will likely shit all over SV.
Game Freak is comically incompetent.
>worst looking game ever
>literally has no partical effect or anything slowing it down
>majority of the world is completely stagnant
>the gameplay is literally the simplest type of gameplay you could make
>still manages to get sub 30 fps
this is a true shit show. why are the pokemon company such buttholes?
It changed. Not for the best.
The bird and cat look like fap bait for degenerates. Croc looks good besides being over designed.
Why didn't you become a Cocoon Master with full voice acting, combat animations, and breeding in 1998?
I didnt find the game enjoyable enough to complete it, but if there's any monster taming fan that hasnt played it here, please go check it out. The breeding/"fusion" system is just insane for the time.
I still dont get why there's no "new monster tamer" success, there's lots of things that have yet to be done competently in one game, but no ones attempts it ? Is it really that hard ?
if this is real then tey are the worse starters of all time. somehow they just get worse when you think they couldny possibly.
>the green cat
You just grew up, chud.
I like emboar but he has one too many squiggles and stripes on his body. Needs to be simplified.
I guess the black is supposed to be his natural fur but they just end up looking like clothes, the red rings around his wrists just make it look worse and are wholly unnecessary
It baffles me how easily Emboar would've gotten a pass by the fans if it wasn't Fire/Fighting
it would've gotten pass if its design was actually good
>stripes, patterns, designs plastered all over everything like it was made by a graphic designer
>extremely high contrast colours and designs, everything needs to be grossly accentuated and exaggerated
>stupid looking arbitrary forms sticking out everywhere for no reason
In comparison, Charizard has a simple and cohesive design, a subdued washed out colour palette with simple and pleasing contrasts (just a soft greenish blue on the wings), and no moronic bullshit glued onto him just to make him stand out more. No stripes, no weird patterns or decals. Not to mention you stick Charizard next to Blastoise and Venusaur and they all look like they're from the same world. Charizard next to that thing looks like two different franchises.
Most of the new Pokemon look like visual vomit. They look like they're all trying to stand out as hard as they possibly can to the point they don't even look believable as Pokemon's in-universe animals anymore. They look like shitty overdesigned toys.
>no weird patterns or decals
Pic related is me about to bite you for being a genwunner
>is a gen one mon
have a nice day, dipshit.
this must be bait because that is the worst example you could have picked
>no retort
>genwunner gets btfo again for world record breaking double standard mental gymnastics
pokemon is as great as ever until futher notice
>ignores
have a nice day, dipshit.
have a nice day, dipshit.
You realize that's a real thing that cobras have to make them look intimidating, right? You've completely missed the point of what I'm saying.
You realize that's a real thing that traditional Chinese wore patterned clothing as part of their culture right?
>Did Pokemon change
in terms of designs? yes
in terms of gameplay? not really
>in terms of gameplay? not really
This. Pokemon is like New Super Mario Bros, a cookie-cutter series that refuses to evolve and unleash its potential. A series that will never get its 64, Sunshine, Galaxy, or Odyssey because it wants to keep pumping out NSMB titles in order to push merch sales.
>then
Animal + element
>Now
Animal + human profession
>Gen 1
>Fighting type has bodybuilders and a literal boxer
>Psychic type line literally based on magicians complete with trick spoon
>Nidoqueen is supposed to be a woman's life cycle and even gets menopause and can't breed
>Mr. Mime, no explanation required
Old-good-new-bad-bros...Our response...?
The response is that there is no one blanket rule for why old Pokemon worked and new Pokemon don't work as well.
I think there is, it's called nostalgia. Don't get me wrong, nu-Pokémon has plenty of garbage designs, old gens just get some kind of special legacy treatment because millenials still recall living through Pokémania, despite old gens having their fair share of mediocre to bad designs.
I'm not going to claim old gens didn't have misses, I'm saying that they had a higher quotient of hits.
If there's any group of people looking at the Pokemon series with rose tinted glasses, it's zoomers who grew up with Pokemon as this already established force in the world, and they don't want to face the fact that the Pokemon games they grew up with are not as good as the Pokemon games that started the series. I bet most people who talk about how much they enjoy the DS games only ever played them on an emulator, or they'd know what a slow slog it is to play compared to every Pokemon game that came before it. Game Freak has been skating by on the bare minimum for so long now, I actually feel bad for kids stuck with this piece of shit Switch game as their first Pokemon experience. It's a damn shame.
Nice reverse psychology, the accusers are actually the guilty ones, they preemptively attack as a cope mechanism because it'd mean their experience was inferior to ours, which is sad but true.
It was just Sinnoh I don't use any speed hacks for Gen 5 and it plays perfectly fine.
But yeah I tried Platinum Renegade without speed hacks and it was such a fricking slog. I'll add that I don't even like the graphics more than the GBA era.
In any case they are appreciated for the sheer content and gameplay upgrades, Gen 4 was the split and Pokémon becoming more competitive.
The 3ds+ eras have nothing to be appreciated for except the Mega Evolutions giving the sickest possible designs ever to some Pokémon beyond their limits but that got canned as a gimmick. If by now every single Pokémon, or at least about 200 has their own Megas (and they got rid of Mega stones), the franchise would be worth buying just to see how your old mons are updated.
> I tried Platinum Renegade without speed hacks and it was such a fricking slog.
It blows my mind how battles haven't been optimized in the entire series. You still have to wait for HP bars to scroll down, you still have to wait for every individual stat change message to display if you get a stat boost/debuff, pokemon still get hit 1 at a time from sandstorm/poison/burn damage, and you still have to wait for crit/effectiveness messages.
All of this shit is very easily optimized, but they never do it. As for gen 4, if you compare battle speed to gen 5, the latter's over 5x faster, it baffles the mind.
I felt so spoiled playing Pokémon on double speed on an emulator and I don’t think I could ever go back.
Same. Been playing a fangame with a speedup option lately and the other day I saw a vid of a gen 4 combat. It honestly looked slowed down, I can't go back to that.
I dunno if my perception's skewed since pokemon wasn't my first rpg like a lot of people, but man is it slow
>DQ: menuing is as fast as you can press the buttons, damage dealt instantly and often to many enemies at once with little delay, messages can flash by at lightspeed, crits display a single line of text as you hear the crit sound effect
>FF at least pre-ps1 since i cant speak for anything after 6: ranges from as fast as you can press to a very short delay, damage numbers bounce a little, messages flash by rather fast, crits display a mere graphic or fast line of text
>Pokemon: have to wait for the Fight button to get pressed in and play its sound, have to choose your move, have to wait for the hp bar to scroll down (speed is gen-dependant), have to watch each individual hp bar scroll down if you attacked more than 1 foe, even the fastest text speed is many orders of magnitude slower than other games, have to wait 3 seconds for the crit/type effectiveness messages to stop showing
I can respect appreciating the gameplay changes and backend stuff that the later gens introduced. Plenty of it gets baked into your average romhack for a reason, it's good shit that makes more sense for the most part. I just don't understand why anyone who actually enjoys Pokemon would play anything but romhacks these days. You get the best of both worlds, and for free no less.
>the franchise would be worth buying just to see how your old mons are updated.
I won't pretend like Annhilape didn't get my blood pumping. It would have been the better path to take, compared to a constantly expanding roster.
I think it's the easy way out to say "nah, old was bad too". Is it that hard to believe Ken Sugimori was simply that much better of an artist that all of his 151 mons might be liked by people?
They just work. That's how art is. You can try to evaluate it objectively but I'd never say Kantomons are mediocre because they just fricking work. Art, concept, execution, sprites, whatever.
No one playing for the first time would have their immersion broken and say
>Wow this mon is bad
because they all blend in nicely.
That's not the case the further you go into the franchise. I posted above that the first time I legitimately remember thinking something was shitty, was with the Volbeat duo in Hoenn. That just couldn't be appreciated by me to any capacity. More and more mons that are just jarring start being created and the last 3 Gens are the pinnacle of that.
I'll add I'd try to complain about Sinnoh but the designs were so boring I can't even remember anything to complain about.
I felt that way about Tropius. And I fricking love dinosaurs, but still.
his cohesiveness is incredibly underrated especially with gen 2. although i think it was mentioned somewhere that they cutezified a lot of the johto dex you can still scramble gen 1 and gen 2 together and not bat an eye. It legitimately felt that johto and its pokemon built on top of the existing world without feeling really contrived and complimented the kanto dex
"Old bad too" wasn't even my point. It's nearly impossible for anyone to make an objective analysis of the first gen because of how prolific it is. Your post alone is telling me you started with Gen 1, and you clearly have a great sense of fondness for it.
>Is it that hard to believe Ken Sugimori was simply that much better of an artist that all of his 151 mons might be liked by people?
It actually is, because he did not by any means design every single one. The poster child and mascot of the franchise with the most merchandise was not even designed by him. Most of the Pokémon started out as simple sprites that Sugimori mostly reinterpreted for key art. This is why there tend to be inconsistencies in early materials.
I've been hardened against giving that much credit to a single artist for why things used to be better. We might be talking about how Final Fantasy was great because of Tetsuya Nomura if not for how much we've learned about him in the director's role as being a clueless tryhard. I think the reality is that even flawed artists and concepts are much more successful when they're driven by a culture that embraces sanity rather than rejecting it. Much of the differences I see between new and old things reflect that in one way or another. The original concept of pokemon was simple and resonates with people's normal side. All of today's concepts are ambitious and only resonate with people who identify with a niche. There's so many niches now that companies want to cast a net to all of them which makes for a terrible experience for pretty much everybody.
tl;dr Ambition bad, not new or old.
>All of today's concepts are ambitious and only resonate with people who identify with a niche.
Orthworm is the polar opposite of an ambitious concept.
I haven't seen the new pokemon that've leaked, but suffice it to say the ambition doesn't lie in a single filler poke. In fact, pokemon is so ambitious now that it's constantly looking for ways to expand despite how much filler there is in everything they do. Their ambition not only allows for lazy, contrived ideas, it incentivizes them.
Then you shouldn't say that all the concepts are ambitious, if you haven't even seen them. Ambition is the last word I would use to describe anything that Game Freak is doing with the Pokemon series right now, and I don't know how you came to such a ridiculous conclusion that being TOO ambitious is Game Freak's problem right now.
I don't need to see the new designs to know what to expect ffs, I know what they've been making all these years already. I also don't think Gamefreak can just make whatever they want. The ambition comes from over their heads and I get the impression they're miserable about it. If I'm wrong about that then so be it, but if you think pokemon's aggressive marketing, accelerated development cycles, and product line expansions aren't a problem of ambition then I say that's a ridiculous conclusion on your part.
>if you think pokemon's aggressive marketing, accelerated development cycles, and product line expansions aren't a problem of ambition then I say that's a ridiculous conclusion on your part.
It's not a problem of ambition, it's a problem of inertia. Nothing ever happens to change the direction that Game Freak is on, so Game Freak just keeps going in the same direction. If there was a single Pokemon gen that actually bombed, and I mean really bombed, then maybe they would have had some sort of reason to change the way they've been doing things for literal decades. Unfortunately, that's never happened. So Game Freak is going to stick with what works, until it doesn't, because they don't care enough to change it. I don't know how you read ambition from their behavior, but you read it completely wrong.
Modern expectations require them to be ambitious, which is why they're paying lip service to an open world experience. They're afraid the people they're trying to sell to won't be interested otherwise, so they're constituated by those ambitions as well. You're not convincing me that's the state of affairs isn't driven by that.
*that the state of affairs isn't driven by that.
You don't have a firm enough grasp on the concept of ambition to continue this conversation. You aren't using the correct word to convey what you're trying to express. We'll just be talking circles around each other if we keep going on.
You sound like a pretentious homosexual narrowed of mind by your own inability to be disagreed with tbh.
He's talking about greed, the ambition for money / reaching every target in the market with guidelines about what to make.
>Is it that hard to believe Ken Sugimori was simply that much better of an artist that all of his 151 mons might be liked by people?
Yes because only a fricking moron thinks Sugimori designed every old mon. The girl who made Sylveon and shit like Musharna created fricking PIKACHU and Charizard.
it's novelty. Pokemon was a new undefined thing. the old ones didn't have a standard to be held to. there was no expectations for them. now there are expectations so new bad designs are judged more harshly.
They were created like that because it's Gen 1. That's what defines their types, Fighting is about human martial arts and Psychic about bending spoons with their mind.
It's the standard. Alakazan has 5000 IQ for problem solving, Mewtwo is a humanified Mew, and the Machop line admired humans and learned how do fight and bulk up from them. But with the exception of Mewtwo who was specifically created by humans, these still felt like animals first mostly imitating the human world.
Also I repeat that's how these types were conceived at all. Fighting needs a human like figure to do punches and kicks and the knowledge of it. Psychic is about great mind power to do tricks.
They do have a pass, no one is complaining about humanoid mons if they had one of those types attached to them.
This entire post is pure headcanon.
Headcanon is not always a bad thing, it's just rationalizing what the author put in the game and why it might be that way.
Fighting is fricking obviously about martial arts, their moves are punches and kicks. They had to be humanoid since conception to some degree.
You want Psychic? Your psychic mons that Gen are Jynx, Mr Mime, Mewtwo and Mew who is some sort of God. And they're literally brain powers. Both of these had some human element from the very birth of the type.
Except that's exactly the problem with these kinds of discussions about Pokémon. Almost everyone has their own idea of what Pokémon is like and what they think it should be. Your rationalizations here about types are still oversimplifications because types are not so simple as "psychic only does psychic things and that must mean human-like". Psyduck and Golduck have had psychic capabilities since their inception but don't bear the psychic type nor are they humanoid. A literal bug (Butterfree) is capable of learning psychic moves. Slowpoke and Slowbro are psychic types yet have none of the qualities you mentioned. Types have always been abstractions to some extent.
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>no response so I will schizobabble
Classic
Kanye was right, israelite 🙂
Kinda. But they clearly made some sense to the creator, both the ones you mentioned are morons that happen to have great hidden power in their brains before evolving into Golduck / Slowking and mastering them.
I see some intent still related to the psychic type (and the duck line obviously got fricked even if Gamefreak never confirms it.... GOLDuck should have been the yellow duck and PSYduck its evolution with a psychic type slapped on it)
>(and the duck line obviously got fricked even if Gamefreak never confirms it.... GOLDuck should have been the yellow duck and PSYduck its evolution with a psychic type slapped on it)
This line of thinking feels very restrictive to me. It has psychic powers so it MUST be psychic. I don't think a lot of Gen 1 designs were even made with types in mind and they simply decided after the fact what felt the most fitting or what gaps needed filling. Especially in black and white, nothing about say, the Nidoran line's designs says Poison. They may have gone too far in this respect because you end up with a lot of repeats like a ton of Grass/Poison and Rock/Ground.
There is something subtle about the design philosophies of the different gen that people can't put their finger on, that has changed with later games.
I think the best example is Leafeon and Glaceon. Glaceon for whatever reason, looks like a gen 1 evee form. Where as Leafeon looks like it's "fan made".
This is probably because early eveelutions had a detail threshold that leafeon breaks with its over detailed leaves.
I think people do in fact, crave some of the older styled angular designs rather than the more spherical new designs they keep creating.
VOLCARONA DIGIVOLVES TO...
METALVOLCARONA!
They all look like Sonic enemies.
Well except Tyranitar, it just looks like Tyranitar. They really should've put more effort into that one to make the new design distinct from the existing one.
Why exactly are Pokémon robots in the future?
the literal best Pokemon song(in terms of message) is all about it
old pokeyman = simple design
nu pokeyman = overdesigned garbage without clear reference
WHERE ARE THE CUTE GIRLS??!?!?!?! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Too problematic for modern gamers.
They're in church, getting wise to abstinence and family values.
Some might be here.
So many shit designs.
>Al Sada
What the frick is that
The future is LGBTQP+, old man
Last year I played Pokemon Black despite Ganker telling me it was shit. It turned out to be pretty good. That got me thinking, maybe pokemon hasn't gone downhill, maybe Ganker just hates everything, so I played Sword. It was shit.
The point I'm trying to make is the game has genuinely got worse. I had no nostalgia for either of these games, no expectations, no rose coloured glasses.
I think that you are making it up as Gen 5 was pretty good. Gen 6 is the falloff point where more features were removed than introduced along with gimmick forms being introduced.
designs are shit
Still looks like ass.
Much better.
>still has the moronic clown hair
the homosexual chicken is legitimately unfixable
good god gamefreak it was this easy
>implying they don't want to degenerate the youth with gay twerking
Your ESG score is looking pretty paltry, goy.
It’s a peawiener, just give him a longer neck that comes out of his front land make him look more like
unironically improved
looks more gen 5 than anything
Head crest is too big anyway, cursed design, just put him out of his misery and shoot him.
this?
anything is better than gay twerking tbh
His dance is an actual dance peawieners do but he barely resembles a peawiener so the dance is wasted and perverted
Cursed design, he cannot be fixed. They should have gone for a more Pidgey-esque look
Unironically a big step up. All it needs now is less ostentatious coloring on its body, with more emphasis on the tail, I think.
no idea for the colors and the tail
I'll pretend this is the real design. I already forgot the real one.
>from the same pokemon
lol
lmao even
I hadn't taken a good like at this shit.
That confirms it, it's the same guy who designed Volbeat (of who I have complained multiple times already on this thread).
This shit has nothing to do with whatever they did with Blaziken, no no, this followed the same shit philosophy as Volbeat the one Hoenn mon I disliked and they made it bigger and flashier.
The red rings around the limbs and the face not being buglike are the biggest sins. Eyes should be completely black like beedrill
Maybe make its entire body, including the head, the same color, with the only real difference being around the eyes and the tips of the "arm" feathers? Dunno if that would frick too badly with the visual design.
not sure what you really mean by the entire head, you want to include the red things and the tail too?
The red things can stay, I'm pretty sure some peawieners have flair around their eyes, but HOLY SHIT. I think this is it.
>Water droplet motif remains with the tail
>Looks like a fricking peawiener, still has full gesticulatory range with hand-feathers
>Crest is still an identifiable visual element
Looking good.
Good inprovements but his body needs to be larger to accommodate his large head and arms
The entire concept feels like a Greninja rehash looking at it closely.
I can faintly understand, yeah. Back then they were all 'just Pokémon', now they're 'Pokémon for... [X category]
No doubt someone likes the trash that is Primarina but it's just because of their particular niche maybe they happen to love mermaids
Needs a more flourishing tail like a real peawiener, would give it the large definition that is associated with the classic 3rd evolutions.
ok now remove all the warts from venusaur, the red cheeks and colored tips from pikachu's ears and tail, bulbasaur and ivysaur's random doodad scales, etc. don't forget to remove EVERY detail from rhyhorn since you seem to hate them
Trying my hand at this design.
>gen 1
If it was gen 1 it would have its original segmented body back, like every fricking gen 1 kaiju does
Charizard doesn't have a segmented body.
Good thing Charizard is not a gen 1 kaiju then.
>alligators and crocodiles are kaiju
Go to a zoo sometime.
Good thing nobody ever said anything close to that then.
You can't fool me, onions jack. You were definitely implying that pokemon weren't based off animals in gen 1.
Whoops, those colors look very washed out, also apparently the real one has a purple tongue.
Too smooth
pretty coo, maybe the spine could have flames on it too
some things dont grow up
Here's your future world champion, Anon.
>Lizard breathing fire
>Turtle spitting water
>Grass toad
vs
>WOAAAHHH MOTORCYCLE METAL GATOR WITH FIREEE
>(Can't even comprehend how the homosexual chicken relates to water other than being blue)
>grass cat but furry
>Motorcycle Gator
Not sure what you're talking about, it's a gator that has clown features.
Yes.
>Richard Simmons water type bad
But here's the question, Ganker. Would Richard Simmons fighting type...good?
I never liked Lucario, I thought his design sucked.
Why did blaziken succeed when all the next humanoid pokes failed?
Blaziken came out when a larger proportion of us were children and could overlook the design (I didn’t)
It's fire fighting. It's allowed to have arms and legs to fight. BUT THE FACE IS STILL THAT OF A POKÉMON / DIGIMON.
Very dinosaury with big alert eyes, the new ones do all sort of facial expressions like Sonic characters that the old designs wouldn't do.
Also the colors and textures match with the series. It's reminiscent of Magmar with the red/orange and yellow, or Charizard / Charmeleon.
The fur is a muted beige color like Linoone, Pidgeot and Ferret.
It meshes well with what you could expect of Pokémon. Not overdone.
because it's cool
Massive Gen 3 bias. Like with everything else, Gen 3 is the started of alot of trends that the fanbase currently hates with a passion but automatically gets the pass because they grew up with it.
Maybe the trends would get a pass if the execution was good. No matter how much one criticizes Kanto for having simple item-like designs, it did everything well.
Hoenn mons are fricking cool even if they break a rule or two. As you can see in Gen 9, people did awesome designs with the leaked concepts, they COULD work with competent designers.
Gen 3's designs was literally the point where people started comparing them to Digimon. People only think Gen 3's designs are good because the amount of fans that started with Gen 3+ drowned out the fans that was here since the very beginning and most of them left. The same thing happened with Gen 4. Muh execution means nothing.
>he fans that was here since the very beginning and most of them left. The same thing happened with Gen 4.
meds
Being compared to Digimon wasn't a bad thing. Notice I called them COOL, they were good.
Now maybe they're still trying to be like Digimon but failing. Earlier I posted I'd be fine if this was a "Megaman generation" with mons reminiscent of those androids but most are just shit.
Gen 3 was in general was just a massive scapegoat and had immense pressure put on it to deliver a sequel after the OG games (First two gens being more like a Gen 1 and 1.5 rather than something completely different from each other). I believe there was absolutely no way to satisfy fans starting anew on more advanced hardware and without Tajiri at the helm, the original games having been pretty much a decade long ordeal of fleshing out ideas. They did an amazing job on RSE all things considered. A sequel was never gonna resemble the first games 1:1
Defend this.
Samus need muscle workout
Both, combined with global culture becoming GameFreak's priority rather than solely Japan.
As much as everyone enjoyed it, Pokemania planted insidious seeds that were going to blossom into the franchise's current state, and GO was the growth formula fertilizer.
No point in paying attention to zombie pokemon. Gen 3 was the point at which they definitively decided it would be a neverending franchise but still did a great job trying to make the best games they could, but 3D and lack of mastery of it, the newer art design teams, and questionable gameplay changes all contributed to making something no longer recognizable to a person who was there from the start.
Younger people just getting into pokemon now may have a different evaluation as their gaming sensibilities aren't influenced by boomer games
haha crazy how nobody can make great gen 1 style designs and make a game with all these great ideas haha i just guess the hecking normies are to dumb and will only buy brand name lmao apparently it’s so simple but nobody does it?!?!?
>that ice "duck"
Please tell me it's fake.......
>They made him some kind of jeet indian duck
It was our time Donald bros....
ITS NOT FAIR
I'm going with the crocodile
Feraligatr is my favorite starter, and now he's gonna have to share that
Gen 1 was the only time pokemon was good. It turned into soulless corporate copy-paste trash shortly before gen 2 started, zero effort.
>top: 3 cool monsters to pick from
>bottom: 1 monster and 2 fursuits
It's pretty clear it objectively changed.
A full region of those fursuits could have worked, I'd play it, but make it a consistent thing. I'd love it if everyone was running around with their team of 6 Megaman characters. Bright red, green, blue, yellow mons standing on two legs representing some sort of theme.
THE FUTURE VERSION COULD HAVE BEEN THIS, WITH A REGIONAL DEX FULL OF MONS LIKE THE WATER / GRASS STARTERS and the Past version could be animalistic stuff and kaijus to act as the bosses to the more heroic Future mons.
>bottom left
>the most overdesigned pokemon ever made
>bottom middle
>blaziken but but extremely homosexual
>bottom right
>furry porn oc
>>the most overdesigned pokemon ever made
rhyhorn exists
Why did they start making one of the starters very feminine in it’s final evo?
Pokemon did change.
There was a slight drop from gen 3-4 when the older shitmons got new evolutions, a HUGE drop from gen 4-5, recovered a bit with gens 6/7, and then went into a free fall from 8 to the present
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Not now Unovababy.
Pokemon is for gay furgays now?
Any chance someone tried to connect their switch and emulator through lan? Im trying with ryujinx but cant get it to work
I don't have friends so I've never tested this.
If you're trying to copy pokemon to violet you can just the same save file from scarlet. Works fine.
Dont care about playing with other people, i just want access to easy trade evolutions.
I can't imagine this as an animal in the wild at all. At least GF should have the decency to make mons like this evolve through friendship - not sure if you have realized, but mons evolving through friendship with a trainer means that they don't exist in nature, so I can accept them being more humanlike, they literally evolve through the energy of a bond with a human, socializing together and stuff.
No shit moron, there's a reason starters are super fricking rare in the wild
even if they're extremely fricking rare the starters until gen 7 at least looked like they could possibly be found in the wild.
>gen 3/4/5/6 fire starters
Yeah no lol.
yes frick face.
There are lizard men wearing wrestling belts and holding spoons living in the wild in Gen 1. Frick off with your fanfics, reddit.
I'm not sure if that gameplay part is supposed to mean anything in-universe. Starters are still wild animals, and Pokémon professors happen to have 3 of them to gift newbies but they're not supposed to be rarer than a Dratini or Hydreigon I think.
It's just a gameplay thing to make them 1 per playthrough.
The dex justifies the first one by saying Machop travels the land learning how to fight, and Machamp has mastered all martial arts.
Abra only escapes, so there's probably no wild Kadabras as only a trainer could make it evolve.
There's still the oddballs of Jynx and Mr Mime in the wild, those just... exist like that in weird societies I guess. They're probably hunted and used as slaves.
>so there's probably no wild Kadabras as only a trainer could make it evolve.
Route 8 has Kadabras fresh out of leveling level.
>I can't imagine this as an animal in the wild at all.
Honestly I feel like this a lot for modern Pokemon
>gen 3
>modern
Jesus Christ, this looks like a fricking Fortnight mod
Anyone playing violet? Are there any exclusive pokemon or things you've come across?
This image made me realize how much lower the prioritization for character face readability became. I honest to god think they should impose a restriction on their character artists where if the character details can't display correctly within GBA Pokemon sprite size/color limits then rework the design.
Does Pokemon Violet work with Ryujinx? I'm getting black screen problems with Yuzu.
Why does this stupid ass thing have wheels if it doesn't use them? God I wish Violet had leaked instead frick this Pokemon.
It doesn't.
it looks tortured
the idea is that the front one is its dewlap and the back one is its tail, and those things eventually evolved into wheels that spin
and that "idea" is outright moronic and looks like shit, especially in motion.
the idea being moronic does not excuse you being too moronic to understand it
I wasn't even the anon you replied to in the first place.
It changed
Digimon didnt
There's no difference, you're getting old and lost your childlike wonder. Gain some zest for life, be more comfortable with yourself and it'll re-emerge
They got rid of the battle tower for scarlet and violet, now there’s not even an endgame
dunno dudes looks like a simple design to me
Holy shit that background has lower resolution textures than Halo CE on lowest possible graphics
And the game still has performance issues…
... can we return to sprites already? This might have been a good design in the first 5 generations I can see myself loving a skull crocodile back in Unova but these ultra smooth, zero detail textures are the death of Pokémon. Looks like a generic mobile game.
>... can we return to sprites already?
hopefully no
It's nothing special but at least the pokemon have some kind of personality in 2D
Just like in 3D then.
>Also just you fricking wait, when hackrom artists get to drawing Fuecoco for the gba roms I bet my fricking souls it's gonna look passable, it's just the bad 3d ruining it.
But they already have art, the dex or whatever the frick ingame has a small artwork that looks nothing like the 3d model.
>same examples over and over
I see enough of this garbage on /vp/
>>same examples over and over
says the one who posts the double kick webms
The double kick vids work because they literally recycle the animations for all of them and it’s a shitty one to boot.
The Mr Mime gif is literally the exception to the rule and is one of the 0.2% of pokemon that got any animation other than idle near t-posing.
Don't even need to kek almost every move in SWSH that isn't a sig has an equally shitty animation
b8
Modern sprite based Pokémon would probably look like the right one while incorporating hundreds of creatures, so yes I want it. They were getting bolder with Gen 5 already. Making a game as massive as Pokémon with those right graphics back in the gba era would have been impossible, but now I'd take it.
Also just you fricking wait, when hackrom artists get to drawing Fuecoco for the gba roms I bet my fricking souls it's gonna look passable, it's just the bad 3d ruining it.
>graphics bad
>so let's return to graphics that are even worse
I have no clue what standards unovatards even have.
holy hell that looks terrible
The new starters are leagues better than last generation.
Last Gen didn't even happen, so shit it killed the anime and they released no other mainline titles for it.
That's only because the fire gator is carrying the gen. If you swapped the fire starters, then last gen would have been way better.
Imagine seeing shit like the moronic humanoid cat and bird in the wild, in a pack in a forest or solitary on the plains. It doesn’t work.
Literally only the croc would be a viable actual animal. The others only work with humans around and human structures.
>Gen 1: a fire-breathing dragon, a turtle with cannons,a nd a dinosaur with a big plant
>Gen 2: an echidna with fire spins, a gator monster and a brontosaurus with a flower growing out of its neck
>Gen 3: a rooster kickboxer, a swamp monster and a literal tree lizard
>Gen 4: a raging chimpanzee, an ironclad emperor penguin, and a tortoise with an entire ecosystem growing on its shell
>Gen 5: a massive boar monster, a Japanese otter with a shell sword, and a regal garden snake
>Gen 6: a fox stylized to be a witch, a frog stylized to be a ninja, and a chipmunk stylized to be a dreadnought
>Gen 7: a cat stylized to be a heel wrestler, a seal stylized to be an opera singer, and an owl stylized to be an archer
>Gen 8: a rabbit stylized to be a footballer, a lizard stylized to be James Bond, and a monkey stylized to be a band drummer
>Gen 9: a crocodile stylized to be a Spanish singer, a duck stylized to be a flamboyant dancer, and a cat stylized to be a masked thief
Jobmons ruined starters.
awww the unovagay is trying to pretend his poorly made jobmon starters fit in with the old ones, that's cute
Japanese otters hold shells, turning a shell into a sword is not a jobmon. It would be a jobmon if it looked like samurai armor. You can't even tell Samurott's shells are swords in the original game.
>Japanese otters hold shells,
Gorillas use wooden tools. This argument isn't as good as you think it is.
Gorillas don't make drums you fricking mongoloid.
otters don't make samurai armor and swords you fricking mongoloid
see? I can do it too.
this is the best design they've made since gen 3. Finally something that actually feels like a gen 1-2 pokemon instead of overdesigned trash.