Did you know that your first encounter in XYZ is scripted to always be a Pidgey?

And Swellow (as mentioned above) isn't?

That's not a signature move.

>grasping at straws
Pidgeot is based on Horus, an Ancient Egyptian deity, you can see the markings and long hair.
Not just a plain bird. You might just have anti-Gen 1 bias

>Pidgeot is based on Horus, an Ancient Egyptian deity
>Ancient Egyptian deity
>in Japan
So Pidgeot's orientalist/racist? How does that help people abandon every newer Pokémon for it and only it?

>no 8 badges
>no gym leaders
>no victory road
>new version of geodude instead of geodude being copy/pasted in
try again

>Kahunas
so not gym leaders, glad you agree

>Mt. Lanakila means Mt. Victory
so not victory road, glad you agree

>new form of Geodude somehow doesn’t count as Geodude
correct, doing something specifically to not copy kanto means you're not kanto pandering

>they put effort into giving the region its own identity unlike unova so it’s not pandering
Correct.

>translating the names without even changing them
They did change them though. That’s the point. Unlike Unova which didn’t even bother doing that.

> When they "show up" in my face in an obnoxious way
A single Pidgey encounter isn’t obnoxious or unbelievable unless you’re just supremely autistic. If you want to whine about obnoxious encounters you should be bitching at Sinnoh instead.

You know what’s more immersion breaking and less believable? A region like Unova having 8 gyms and another cave that’s called Victory Road.

>OMG LANGUAGE DIFFERENT THEREFORE ITS NOT PANDERING
Just admit having a victory road isn’t pandering. You’re almost there. Do you think having pokeballs is pandering?
>single pidgey
It’s fine in a vacuum, but it adds up in XY.

>RBY>FRLG>LGPE>GSC>HGSS>XY>SM>USUM
Kanto timeline are the only good games

Having a couple good games and grouping shit with it doesn’t make them all good.

Did you know that the first pussy and booba you will ever touch is scripted to be your mom?

Irrelevant. When someone asks what pussy you’ve touched, there’s already an understanding between both of you that you can gloss over that.

>Mario games are looked forward to for the new interesting level and enemy designs
Yet they still have Goombas.

> In this case, yes
source?

>No. You intentionally misinterpret and gaslight
Nope.

>They're irrelevant
No they aren't.

>Replace it with "parliament" and my point remains
"Parliament" is a vague common sense concept that anyone could come up with. "You need to fight these 8 Gym Leaders who hand out badges then you need to go through this cave called Victory Road then fight these group of people called the Elite Four but WAIT you actually need to fight a fifth person after them as a twist" is Kanto pandering.

>either way, it's never Kanto specific
Neither is Pidgey. What's your point?

>common sense concept tat anyone could come up with
Naming a place "Victory Road" and then having to fight exactly 5 Trainers after it called "the Elite 4" isn't something anyone could come up with

>This was only a twist in Kanto.
It's a twist in every region until Gen 8. Which is why the games made a point to never reveal who the champion is until you reach them.

>Yet they still have goombas
Ok, and? Newer games have Kanto mons present and catchable, but no ones complaining about that.
>source?
No one would want to play a Pokemon game if EVERY wild encounter was scripted like that pidgey, right?
>Nope
Yep.
>No they aren’t.
Tell me who established Alola as a legitimate region, anon. It isn’t the natives.
>parliament
Is, according to you, copied from another region in multiple regions, which means pandering.
>copypasta
See above and below
>Neither is pidgey.
Not only is Pidgey a Kanto mon, encountering it mandatorily is only there to invoke nostalgia of Kanto games. Can you tell me another reason who it’s forced?
>common sense nomenclature isn’t something anyone could have come up with
Words mean what they means anon. Anyone could have came up with that. Was “elite” and “victory” a new word when you heard it from Pokemon the first time?
>it’s a twist in every region until Gen 8
Demonstrably false; obviously because you haven’t played the games in question. So you naturally shift to not knowing who the champion IS, not that there is A champion at all like you said earlier. Regardless, Unova is different from Kanto in many ways at the endgame because you battle your rival, champion, and evil team leader at the same time, which broke the monotonous “dismantle the bad guys in the last couple gyms” point, as well as the “no one can beat the champion except you” point.

>implying

>Regional forms are exclusive alternative forms of Gen 1 Pokemon
>Any signature Z-Moves that aren't for a Gen 7 Pokemon are instead for Gen 1
Pokemon
>All the non-Gen 7 Gift Pokemon are Gen 1 Pokemon
>The protagonist and rival from RGBY returning
>Professor OOOOOOOOOOOAK's cousin
>Team Rocket is back!
>Lillie travels to Kanto
>(You)'re from Kanto
>DIGLETT's Tunnel
>EXEGGUTOR Island
>PIKACHU Valley
>Vermillion Gym

alolan forms are for pokemon who can adapt to the different climate of alola. the pokemon native to kanto are designed close to real animals do it makes sense why they can adapt better than numons which have no sense of realism

>The region existed for hundreds to thousands of years.
Stop being obtuse for the sake of arguing. Obviously the land has existed for millennia, but the people only recently got there.
>having a league is pandering to Kanto
So having a democracy means you're obsessed with Greece? What do you think about having pokeballs? Is that Kanto pandering?

Showing up isn't the problem. Being scripted isn't natural In the same way random encounters are and are only there to induce nostalgia.

>The pandering part is bringing up Kanto, yes.
and...you know...copying kanto's entire plot structure of collecting 8 badges and fighting the elite 4 even though it barely has anything to do with the rest of the game's plot

Glad you agree whining about Pidgey being in the game is fucking retarded.

I agree, Unova having 8 Gyms/Victory Road/E4 is bad.

So you think having Pidgey is an example of pandering to Kanto. Got it.

>Unova having 8 Gyms/Victory Road/E4 is bad.
No but Alola and Galar not having those things and starting the whole issue of Kanto pandering to begin with it.

>Alola trials are just reskinned gym
And yet Unova couldn't even do that much and they just copy/pasted gyms. Really goes to show how much they pandered to Kanto.

>Mario games are looked forward to for the new interesting level and enemy designs
Yet they still have Goombas.

> In this case, yes
source?

>No. You intentionally misinterpret and gaslight
Nope.

>They're irrelevant
No they aren't.

>Replace it with "parliament" and my point remains
"Parliament" is a vague common sense concept that anyone could come up with. "You need to fight these 8 Gym Leaders who hand out badges then you need to go through this cave called Victory Road then fight these group of people called the Elite Four but WAIT you actually need to fight a fifth person after them as a twist" is Kanto pandering.

>either way, it's never Kanto specific
Neither is Pidgey. What's your point?

>common sense concept tat anyone could come up with
Naming a place "Victory Road" and then having to fight exactly 5 Trainers after it called "the Elite 4" isn't something anyone could come up with

>This was only a twist in Kanto.
It's a twist in every region until Gen 8. Which is why the games made a point to never reveal who the champion is until you reach them.

>Except when they don't. Like Gen 5
N is the twist champion and BW2 goes out of its way to never reveal Iris as the champion until the last second.

>OMG LANGUAGE DIFFERENT THEREFORE ITS NOT PANDERING
Just admit having a victory road isn’t pandering. You’re almost there. Do you think having pokeballs is pandering?
>single pidgey
It’s fine in a vacuum, but it adds up in XY.
[...]
Having a couple good games and grouping shit with it doesn’t make them all good.
[...]
Irrelevant. When someone asks what pussy you’ve touched, there’s already an understanding between both of you that you can gloss over that.
[...]
>Yet they still have goombas
Ok, and? Newer games have Kanto mons present and catchable, but no ones complaining about that.
>source?
No one would want to play a Pokemon game if EVERY wild encounter was scripted like that pidgey, right?
>Nope
Yep.
>No they aren’t.
Tell me who established Alola as a legitimate region, anon. It isn’t the natives.
>parliament
Is, according to you, copied from another region in multiple regions, which means pandering.
>copypasta
See above and below
>Neither is pidgey.
Not only is Pidgey a Kanto mon, encountering it mandatorily is only there to invoke nostalgia of Kanto games. Can you tell me another reason who it’s forced?
>common sense nomenclature isn’t something anyone could have come up with
Words mean what they means anon. Anyone could have came up with that. Was “elite” and “victory” a new word when you heard it from Pokemon the first time?
>it’s a twist in every region until Gen 8
Demonstrably false; obviously because you haven’t played the games in question. So you naturally shift to not knowing who the champion IS, not that there is A champion at all like you said earlier. Regardless, Unova is different from Kanto in many ways at the endgame because you battle your rival, champion, and evil team leader at the same time, which broke the monotonous “dismantle the bad guys in the last couple gyms” point, as well as the “no one can beat the champion except you” point.

>Just admit having a victory road isn’t pandering
Just admit having Pidgey isn't pandering. You’re almost there. Do you think having pokeballs is pandering?

>b-but it adds up
yeah just like victory road adds up with 8 gyms who hand out badges which adds up with the elite four

>Ok, and?
It's no different than Pidgey.

>No one would want to play a Pokemon game if EVERY wild encounter was scripted like that pidgey,
But we're not talking about every wild encounter being scripted. Are you arguing BW is worse because legendaries are scripted?

>Yep.
Nope.

> It isn’t the natives.
source?

>Is, according to you, copied from another region in multiple regions
"Parliament" is vague. "Collect exactly 8 badges then go to this place called Victory Road then fight the Elite Four except there's actually another guy you need to fight after them" isn't vague.

>Not only is Pidgey a Kanto mon, encountering it mandatorily is only there to invoke nostalgia of Kanto games.
Just like collecting 8 badges and going through Victory Road and fighting the E4. Can you tell me another reason who it’s forced?

>Anyone could have came up with that
Kanto's extremely specific story structure? Not really.

>Demonstrably false
Demonstrably true.

>Regardless, Unova is different from Kanto in many ways at the endgame
And Kalos is different from Kanto in many ways at the beginninggame. What's your point?

>N and Iris
Which is different from what you said about Kanto, which was that there BEING a champion was the twist. your rival, champion, and evil team leader at the same time, which broke the monotonous “dismantle the bad guys in the last couple gyms” point, as well as the “no one can beat the champion except you” point.
>just like [thing that isn't a kanto property] adds up with [thing that isn't a kanto property] adds up with [thing that isn't a kanto property]
So it's not Kanto pandering. Got it.
>no different than pidgey
In Mario every enemy is scripted. This is Pokemon. There being a single scripted encounter purely for Kanto nostalgia sake is Kanto pandering.
>we're not talking about [thing I defended except dialed up]
Stop avoiding the discussion. The more is scripted, the worse. Regular old grass shouldn't be scripted.
>Nope.
Yep
>source?
How about playing the Alola games?
>but it's not vague
Doesn't mean it's a Kanto concept. "A form of government in which the executive branch derives its legitimacy and political mandate from the legislative branch and is accountable to it" isn't vague either. These are just practices of various regions that are the same.
>just like [things that aren't Kanto concepts]
This is getting tiring. No one gets Nostalgic for Kanto SPECIFICALLY when they get badges from other regions. It's just what most of the regions do to test their trainers. We don't even know what region canonically thought of it.
>Kanto's extremely specific story structure? Not really.
It's a pretty basic JRPG progression wit increasingly leveled bosses, proof of completion, and final tests.

>twist champion
There’s a difference between the twist being the fact that there is a champion at all and the twist being who the champion is
>pidgey
Is a Kanto property and this is Kanto is seeing in this instant.
>worse pandering
Mario games are more similar from one another in general.
>source?
The fact that if every encounter in the game was scripted, it’d be objectively shit
>Nope
Yep
>I did
Then you know people who migrated to Alola did the heavy lifting.
>conflating gym badges, which aren’t Kanto concepts, with a scripted pidgey, which is a Kanto concept forced in your face
Due on this hill if you want, your choice.
>no one gets nostalgic when they see a scripted mom from Kanto mimicking Kanto nostalgia
You’re delusional anon. Name the reason they scripted the encounter, then. The o ly possible answer is nostalgia, even if not everyone realized it.
>other badges have bosses with proof of completion?
Yes, and each franchise has its own name for it.
>So is Kalos
Kalos she’s entire locations with Kanto, as well as several elements plucked straight from Kanto purely for the sake of nostalgia. Unova does not.
>Unova is full
If its own identity, yes. Sorry Kalos couldn’t be.

This is getting tiring anon. Give me some substance.

Part 2

>Demonstrably true
Demonstrably false; obviously because you haven’t played the games in question. So you naturally shift to not knowing who the champion IS, not that there is A champion at all like you said earlier. Regardless, Unova is different from Kanto in many ways at the endgame because you battle your rival, champion, and evil team leader at the same time, which broke the monotonous “dismantle the bad guys in the last couple gyms” point, as well as the “no one can beat the champion except you” point.

>Kalos is also different.
Irrelevant. It has too many things in common with Kanto. While both Unova and Kalos have things like Pokeballs, Trainers, and Champions [all originally introduced in Kanto but aren't Kanto concepts], only Kalos shoves Kanto specific Pokemon into the story, worldbuilding, new forms, and scripted encounters that all purely present themselves for nostalgia's sake only. Show me the Forest in Unova that is a copy pasta of a Kanto forest. Show me the story beats in Unova that inexplicably happen to parallel Kanto's the way the Snorlax one does.

Unova mons felt natural and expanded the world. You know what didn’t? A French Forest magically having the exact same layout as a Japanese one. Pidgey being a mandatory first encounter. Snorlaxes magically having an affinity for sleeping on bridges. Mewtwo magically having an affinity to stand in caves. Kanto starters being handed out for no apparent reason. Kanto pokemon being magically more prone to mega evolving. None of these can be lore explained in a way that accomplishes worldbuilding, only explained through the lens of “they wanted you to feel nostalgia”.