>Most uncreative regional bird
Swellow takes that title.
Also, how can Pidgeot be the least creative when it created the "regional bird" trope in Pokemon. Every generation since 3 have had new bird for the sake of tradition
>Also, how can Pidgeot be the least creative when it created the "regional bird" trope in Pokemon
Because it's literally just a bird with nothing special.
6 months ago
Anonymous
And Swellow (as mentioned above) isn't?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Samurai haircut >The V-tail that forms 2 katana sheath >Signature move つばめがえし Swallow return (Aerial Ace) being a sword technique, so named due to its resemblance to the motion of a swallow's tail in flight, and is usually construed as a quick upward slash followed by a second one down the same direction
No it's not just a plain bird.
6 months ago
Anonymous
That's not a signature move.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yes it was it's signature move in gen 3.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>grasping at straws
Pidgeot is based on Horus, an Ancient Egyptian deity, you can see the markings and long hair.
Not just a plain bird. You might just have anti-Gen 1 bias
6 months ago
Anonymous
>grasping at straws
it's called being cultured americans can't relate
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Pidgeot is based on Horus, an Ancient Egyptian deity >Ancient Egyptian deity >in Japan
So Pidgeot's orientalist/racist? How does that help people abandon every newer Pokémon for it and only it?
That's just how the Pokemon world is structured. That's like saying every democracy in the world believe Greeks are superior people. Meanwhile XY goes out of it's way to make you feel nostalgia for Kanto, while giving the finger to any natural feeling worldbuilding >Unova out of no where
Meds.
>NOOOOOOO THE MOST RECENTLY ESTABLISHED REGION DOESN'T HAVE A LEAGUE EVEN THOUGH IT'S ESTABLISHING ONE WITH NO KANTO REASONING BEHINDIT AND SUCKS KANTO'S DICK HARDER ANYWAY
Not helping your case. If anything it's proof that all regions want to have a league irregardless to if Kanto has one.
>every Alolan form is a Kanto mon, you also have Samson Oak >a bunch of the Poké Ride mons are Kanto mons >Kanto mons like Pikachu, Eevee, Snorlax, and Mew getting exclusive Z-Moves >the “Kantonian Gym”
try again
6 months ago
Anonymous
>no 8 badges >no gym leaders >no victory road >new version of geodude instead of geodude being copy/pasted in
try again
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Gym Leaders
Kahunas >no Victory Road
Mt. Lanakila means Mt. Victory >new form of Geodude somehow doesn’t count as Geodude
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Kahunas
so not gym leaders, glad you agree
>Mt. Lanakila means Mt. Victory
so not victory road, glad you agree
>new form of Geodude somehow doesn’t count as Geodude
correct, doing something specifically to not copy kanto means you're not kanto pandering
6 months ago
Anonymous
>they changed the names so it isn't pandering
leave my board
6 months ago
Anonymous
>they put effort into giving the region its own identity unlike unova so it’s not pandering
Correct.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>translating the names without even changing them is somehow "effort" and somehow changes identity
You're a moron.
> Stop being a reductionist
You can’t say it’s reductionist when it’s literally what your complaint is.
No it's not. Kanto Pokemon have always shown up, but in the same way as everyone else. When they "show up" in my face in an obnoxious way that ruins game immersion and believability, and in a way that is way blown out of proportion, and eats into other regions' identity, that's when it becomes a problem
6 months ago
Anonymous
>translating the names without even changing them
They did change them though. That’s the point. Unlike Unova which didn’t even bother doing that.
> When they "show up" in my face in an obnoxious way
A single Pidgey encounter isn’t obnoxious or unbelievable unless you’re just supremely autistic. If you want to whine about obnoxious encounters you should be b***hing at Sinnoh instead.
You know what’s more immersion breaking and less believable? A region like Unova having 8 gyms and another cave that’s called Victory Road.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Diglett = Drilbur >Diglett ≠ Alolan Diglett
you can’t be this stupid
6 months ago
Anonymous
>OMG LANGUAGE DIFFERENT THEREFORE ITS NOT PANDERING
Just admit having a victory road isn’t pandering. You’re almost there. Do you think having pokeballs is pandering? >single pidgey
It’s fine in a vacuum, but it adds up in XY.
>RBY>FRLG>LGPE>GSC>HGSS>XY>SM>USUM
Kanto timeline are the only good games
Having a couple good games and grouping shit with it doesn’t make them all good.
Did you know that the first pussy and booba you will ever touch is scripted to be your mom?
Irrelevant. When someone asks what pussy you’ve touched, there’s already an understanding between both of you that you can gloss over that.
>Mario games are looked forward to for the new interesting level and enemy designs
Yet they still have Goombas.
> In this case, yes
source?
>No. You intentionally misinterpret and gaslight
Nope.
>They're irrelevant
No they aren't.
>Replace it with "parliament" and my point remains
"Parliament" is a vague common sense concept that anyone could come up with. "You need to fight these 8 Gym Leaders who hand out badges then you need to go through this cave called Victory Road then fight these group of people called the Elite Four but WAIT you actually need to fight a fifth person after them as a twist" is Kanto pandering.
>either way, it's never Kanto specific
Neither is Pidgey. What's your point?
>common sense concept tat anyone could come up with
Naming a place "Victory Road" and then having to fight exactly 5 Trainers after it called "the Elite 4" isn't something anyone could come up with
>This was only a twist in Kanto.
It's a twist in every region until Gen 8. Which is why the games made a point to never reveal who the champion is until you reach them.
>Yet they still have goombas
Ok, and? Newer games have Kanto mons present and catchable, but no ones complaining about that. >source?
No one would want to play a Pokemon game if EVERY wild encounter was scripted like that pidgey, right? >Nope
Yep. >No they aren’t.
Tell me who established Alola as a legitimate region, anon. It isn’t the natives. >parliament
Is, according to you, copied from another region in multiple regions, which means pandering. >copypasta
See above and below >Neither is pidgey.
Not only is Pidgey a Kanto mon, encountering it mandatorily is only there to invoke nostalgia of Kanto games. Can you tell me another reason who it’s forced? >common sense nomenclature isn’t something anyone could have come up with
Words mean what they means anon. Anyone could have came up with that. Was “elite” and “victory” a new word when you heard it from Pokemon the first time? >it’s a twist in every region until Gen 8
Demonstrably false; obviously because you haven’t played the games in question. So you naturally shift to not knowing who the champion IS, not that there is A champion at all like you said earlier. Regardless, Unova is different from Kanto in many ways at the endgame because you battle your rival, champion, and evil team leader at the same time, which broke the monotonous “dismantle the bad guys in the last couple gyms” point, as well as the “no one can beat the champion except you” point.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Having a couple good games and grouping shit with it doesn’t make them all good.
All of those games are good though
6 months ago
Anonymous
>implying
6 months ago
Anonymous
You forgot >MC just moved to alola from kanto
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Regional forms are exclusive alternative forms of Gen 1 Pokemon >Any signature Z-Moves that aren't for a Gen 7 Pokemon are instead for Gen 1
Pokemon >All the non-Gen 7 Gift Pokemon are Gen 1 Pokemon >The protagonist and rival from RGBY returning >Professor OOOOOOOOOOOAK's cousin >Team Rocket is back! >Lillie travels to Kanto >(You)'re from Kanto >DIGLETT's Tunnel >EXEGGUTOR Island >PIKACHU Valley >Vermillion Gym
alolan forms are for pokemon who can adapt to the different climate of alola. the pokemon native to kanto are designed close to real animals do it makes sense why they can adapt better than numons which have no sense of realism
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Regional forms are exclusive alternative forms of Gen 1 Pokemon >Any signature Z-Moves that aren't for a Gen 7 Pokemon are instead for Gen 1
Pokemon >All the non-Gen 7 Gift Pokemon are Gen 1 Pokemon >The protagonist and rival from RGBY returning >Professor OOOOOOOOOOOAK's cousin >Team Rocket is back! >Lillie travels to Kanto >(You)'re from Kanto >DIGLETT's Tunnel >EXEGGUTOR Island >PIKACHU Valley >Vermillion Gym
>NOOOOOOO THE MOST RECENTLY ESTABLISHED REGION DOESN'T HAVE A LEAGUE EVEN THOUGH IT'S ESTABLISHING ONE WITH NO KANTO REASONING BEHINDIT AND SUCKS KANTO'S DICK HARDER ANYWAY
Not helping your case. If anything it's proof that all regions want to have a league irregardless to if Kanto has one.
6 months ago
Anonymous
THE MOST RECENTLY ESTABLISHED REGION
The region existed for hundreds to thousands of years.
>EVEN THOUGH IT'S ESTABLISHING ONE WITH NO KANTO REASONING BEHINDIT
Kukui wants to make a league because he visited Kanto. This implies having a league is pandering to Kanto. Therefore Unova is pandering to Kanto.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>The region existed for hundreds to thousands of years.
Stop being obtuse for the sake of arguing. Obviously the land has existed for millennia, but the people only recently got there. >having a league is pandering to Kanto
So having a democracy means you're obsessed with Greece? What do you think about having pokeballs? Is that Kanto pandering?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>So having a democracy means you're obsessed with Greece?
you can't use this argument then at the same time start seething when a pigeon shows up in more than one place on the planet
6 months ago
Anonymous
Showing up isn't the problem. Being scripted isn't natural In the same way random encounters are and are only there to induce nostalgia.
6 months ago
Anonymous
The pandering part is bringing up Kanto, yes.
Could've been any other region, or not any of them at all.
But no, we need to tell the player that it's all about Kanto.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>The pandering part is bringing up Kanto, yes.
and...you know...copying kanto's entire plot structure of collecting 8 badges and fighting the elite 4 even though it barely has anything to do with the rest of the game's plot
6 months ago
Anonymous
The basic premise of the games being recycled in almost every instance is not an issue.
At that point it being Pokemon is "Kanto pandering"
6 months ago
Anonymous
Glad you agree whining about Pidgey being in the game is fricking moronic.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>doesn’t understand the criticism
Pandering bad. Cope and seethe.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I agree, Unova having 8 Gyms/Victory Road/E4 is bad.
6 months ago
Anonymous
So you think having Pokeballs is an example of pandering to Kanto. Got it.
6 months ago
Anonymous
So you think having Pidgey is an example of pandering to Kanto. Got it.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Reiterating for the fifth time, Kanto Pokemon have always shown up, but in the same way as everyone else. When they "show up" in my face in an obnoxious way that ruins game immersion and believability, and in a way that is way blown out of proportion, and eats into other regions' identity, that's when it becomes a problem. You're changing the frame of the criticism to make the critics look stupid while not actually understanding the logic behind the criticism. Showing up isn't the problem. Being scripted isn't natural In the same way random encounters are and are only there to induce nostalgia.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Unova having 8 Gyms/Victory Road/E4 is bad.
No but Alola and Galar not having those things and starting the whole issue of Kanto pandering to begin with it.
Alola trials are just reskinned gym >Both have a strong trained specialized in that type >Both have puzzles >Both can have multiple fights until you reach the boss of the gym/trial >Both gives you important items afterwards >Both of have identification symbols (gym badges and stamps)
i don't see why people say they're different things anyway
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Alola trials are just reskinned gym
And yet Unova couldn't even do that much and they just copy/pasted gyms. Really goes to show how much they pandered to Kanto.
>a pokemon being in a pokemon game is kanto pandering
imagine being so mentally ill you play a mario game, see a goomba scripted as the first enemy, and then you scream about it being mushroom kingdom pandering
That's just how the Pokemon world is structured. That's like saying every democracy in the world believe Greeks are superior people. Meanwhile XY goes out of it's way to make you feel nostalgia for Kanto, while giving the finger to any natural feeling worldbuilding >Unova out of no where
Meds.
>That's just how the Pokemon world is structured
Ok then Pidgey existing is "just how the Pokemon world is structured"
>mario game
no where near what Pokemon is in terms of having fleshed out regions to explore >pidgy existing
not the problem, ESL. It somehow being in the laws of physics that a Pidgy must attack you first against the odds of all other mons is an obvious attempt to make you feel nostalgia towards Kanto specifically. Same thing with the Viridian knockoff.
>no where near what Pokemon is in terms of having fleshed out regions to explore
Yes it is. They both have different regions with the same and different enemies.
>It somehow being in the laws of physics that a Pidgy must attack you first
scripted story events != laws of physics
seek mental help
>The region existed for hundreds to thousands of years.
Stop being obtuse for the sake of arguing. Obviously the land has existed for millennia, but the people only recently got there. >having a league is pandering to Kanto
So having a democracy means you're obsessed with Greece? What do you think about having pokeballs? Is that Kanto pandering?
>y-you're being obtuse because you responded to what I said
Maybe you should stop being a schizo and start getting actual arguments.
>but the people only recently got there
People existed there for hundreds to thousands of years.
>So having a democracy means you're obsessed with Greece?
"Democracy" is a vague common sense concept that anyone could come up with. "You need to fight these 8 Gym Leaders who hand out badges then you need to go through this cave called Victory Road then fight these group of people called the Elite Four but WAIT you actually need to fight a fifth person after them as a twist" is Kanto pandering.
>Yes it is.
No it isn't. Mario games are looked forward to for the new interesting level and enemy designs, while the region is just a wallpaper. Pokemon regions are infinitely more integral to the experience, as they are the world that you are to explore. >scripted story events =/= laws of physics
Ask yourself this: If they did more of it, would it be worse? In this case, yes. Scripting more and more encounters, even if they weren't for the God region, would make for a worse game. It's the principle that ,makes it a bad sign of what started in that generation. >responded
No. You intentionally misinterpret and gaslight. >People existed there for-
Sure, the aboriginals of Australia did too. They're irrelevant. Pokemon trainers from Kanto and Johto established many Alola cities and kickstarted its industry as a legitimate region and not some little settlement. >anyone could have come up with democracy
Frick you, moron. Replace it with "parliament" and my point remains >8 gym leaders
anyone could have come up with area based bosses that test you as a trainer and specialize in a type >the name "victory road" triggers me
either way, it's never Kanto specific >overarching best trainers of the region with a leader that is the single best in the region
common sense concept tat anyone could come up with >but WAIT you actually need to fight a fifth person after them as a twist
This was only a twist in Kanto. You expect to fight a champion in all other regions.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Mario games are looked forward to for the new interesting level and enemy designs
Yet they still have Goombas.
> In this case, yes
source?
>No. You intentionally misinterpret and gaslight
Nope.
>They're irrelevant
No they aren't.
>Replace it with "parliament" and my point remains
"Parliament" is a vague common sense concept that anyone could come up with. "You need to fight these 8 Gym Leaders who hand out badges then you need to go through this cave called Victory Road then fight these group of people called the Elite Four but WAIT you actually need to fight a fifth person after them as a twist" is Kanto pandering.
>either way, it's never Kanto specific
Neither is Pidgey. What's your point?
>common sense concept tat anyone could come up with
Naming a place "Victory Road" and then having to fight exactly 5 Trainers after it called "the Elite 4" isn't something anyone could come up with
>This was only a twist in Kanto.
It's a twist in every region until Gen 8. Which is why the games made a point to never reveal who the champion is until you reach them.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>It's a twist in every region until Gen 8. Which is why the games made a point to never reveal who the champion is until you reach them.
Except when they don't. Like Gen 5.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Except when they don't. Like Gen 5
N is the twist champion and BW2 goes out of its way to never reveal Iris as the champion until the last second.
>OMG LANGUAGE DIFFERENT THEREFORE ITS NOT PANDERING
Just admit having a victory road isn’t pandering. You’re almost there. Do you think having pokeballs is pandering? >single pidgey
It’s fine in a vacuum, but it adds up in XY.
[...]
Having a couple good games and grouping shit with it doesn’t make them all good.
[...]
Irrelevant. When someone asks what pussy you’ve touched, there’s already an understanding between both of you that you can gloss over that.
[...] >Yet they still have goombas
Ok, and? Newer games have Kanto mons present and catchable, but no ones complaining about that. >source?
No one would want to play a Pokemon game if EVERY wild encounter was scripted like that pidgey, right? >Nope
Yep. >No they aren’t.
Tell me who established Alola as a legitimate region, anon. It isn’t the natives. >parliament
Is, according to you, copied from another region in multiple regions, which means pandering. >copypasta
See above and below >Neither is pidgey.
Not only is Pidgey a Kanto mon, encountering it mandatorily is only there to invoke nostalgia of Kanto games. Can you tell me another reason who it’s forced? >common sense nomenclature isn’t something anyone could have come up with
Words mean what they means anon. Anyone could have came up with that. Was “elite” and “victory” a new word when you heard it from Pokemon the first time? >it’s a twist in every region until Gen 8
Demonstrably false; obviously because you haven’t played the games in question. So you naturally shift to not knowing who the champion IS, not that there is A champion at all like you said earlier. Regardless, Unova is different from Kanto in many ways at the endgame because you battle your rival, champion, and evil team leader at the same time, which broke the monotonous “dismantle the bad guys in the last couple gyms” point, as well as the “no one can beat the champion except you” point.
>Just admit having a victory road isn’t pandering
Just admit having Pidgey isn't pandering. You’re almost there. Do you think having pokeballs is pandering?
>b-but it adds up
yeah just like victory road adds up with 8 gyms who hand out badges which adds up with the elite four
>Ok, and?
It's no different than Pidgey.
>No one would want to play a Pokemon game if EVERY wild encounter was scripted like that pidgey,
But we're not talking about every wild encounter being scripted. Are you arguing BW is worse because legendaries are scripted?
>Yep.
Nope.
> It isn’t the natives.
source?
>Is, according to you, copied from another region in multiple regions
"Parliament" is vague. "Collect exactly 8 badges then go to this place called Victory Road then fight the Elite Four except there's actually another guy you need to fight after them" isn't vague.
>Not only is Pidgey a Kanto mon, encountering it mandatorily is only there to invoke nostalgia of Kanto games.
Just like collecting 8 badges and going through Victory Road and fighting the E4. Can you tell me another reason who it’s forced?
>Anyone could have came up with that
Kanto's extremely specific story structure? Not really.
>Demonstrably false
Demonstrably true.
>Regardless, Unova is different from Kanto in many ways at the endgame
And Kalos is different from Kanto in many ways at the beginninggame. What's your point?
6 months ago
Anonymous
alder is introduced as the champion and N makes it clear he's vying for the title
both characters who could be the champion when you arrive have already been introduced as possibilities. that's not a surprise reveal, it's just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>N and Iris
Which is different from what you said about Kanto, which was that there BEING a champion was the twist. your rival, champion, and evil team leader at the same time, which broke the monotonous “dismantle the bad guys in the last couple gyms” point, as well as the “no one can beat the champion except you” point. >just like [thing that isn't a kanto property] adds up with [thing that isn't a kanto property] adds up with [thing that isn't a kanto property]
So it's not Kanto pandering. Got it. >no different than pidgey
In Mario every enemy is scripted. This is Pokemon. There being a single scripted encounter purely for Kanto nostalgia sake is Kanto pandering. >we're not talking about [thing I defended except dialed up]
Stop avoiding the discussion. The more is scripted, the worse. Regular old grass shouldn't be scripted. >Nope.
Yep >source?
How about playing the Alola games? >but it's not vague
Doesn't mean it's a Kanto concept. "A form of government in which the executive branch derives its legitimacy and political mandate from the legislative branch and is accountable to it" isn't vague either. These are just practices of various regions that are the same. >just like [things that aren't Kanto concepts]
This is getting tiring. No one gets Nostalgic for Kanto SPECIFICALLY when they get badges from other regions. It's just what most of the regions do to test their trainers. We don't even know what region canonically thought of it. >Kanto's extremely specific story structure? Not really.
It's a pretty basic JRPG progression wit increasingly leveled bosses, proof of completion, and final tests.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Which is different from what you said about Kanto
no it isn't
a twist champion is a twist champion
>So it's not Kanto pandering. Got it.
glad you agree pidget isn't kanto pandering
>In Mario every enemy is scripted
so it has even worse pandering than pokemon?
>The more is scripted, the worse
source?
>Yep
Nope
>How about playing the Alola games?
I did
>Doesn't mean it's a Kanto concept
Glad you agree Pidgey isn't Kanto pandering
> No one gets Nostalgic for Kanto SPECIFICALLY when they get badges from other regions
No one gets nostalgic for Kanto SPECIFICALLY when they see a Pidgey
>It's a pretty basic JRPG progression wit increasingly leveled bosses
Other JRPGs have badges and victory road and elite 4?
>Regardless, Unova is different from Kanto in many ways
So is Kalos. What's your point?
>Irrelevant. It has too many things in common with Kanto
Glad you agree Unova is full of Kanto pandering.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>twist champion
There’s a difference between the twist being the fact that there is a champion at all and the twist being who the champion is >pidgey
Is a Kanto property and this is Kanto is seeing in this instant. >worse pandering
Mario games are more similar from one another in general. >source?
The fact that if every encounter in the game was scripted, it’d be objectively shit >Nope
Yep >I did
Then you know people who migrated to Alola did the heavy lifting. >conflating gym badges, which aren’t Kanto concepts, with a scripted pidgey, which is a Kanto concept forced in your face
Due on this hill if you want, your choice. >no one gets nostalgic when they see a scripted mom from Kanto mimicking Kanto nostalgia
You’re delusional anon. Name the reason they scripted the encounter, then. The o ly possible answer is nostalgia, even if not everyone realized it. >other badges have bosses with proof of completion?
Yes, and each franchise has its own name for it. >So is Kalos
Kalos she’s entire locations with Kanto, as well as several elements plucked straight from Kanto purely for the sake of nostalgia. Unova does not. >Unova is full
If its own identity, yes. Sorry Kalos couldn’t be.
This is getting tiring anon. Give me some substance.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>There’s a difference between the twist being the fact that there is a champion at all and the twist being who the champion is
not really
either way the twist is that you have to fight a mystery fifth person even though it's called the elite 4
>Is a Kanto property
ok then so are gyms and e4 and victory road
>Mario games are more similar from one another in general
Pokemon games are also similar from one another in general.
>The fact that if every encounter in the game was scripted, it’d be objectively shit
So BW is bad for having scripted legendaries?
>Yep
Nope
>Then you know people who migrated to Alola did the heavy lifting
It was still a region before that
>it's a kanto concept if it's in a game I don't like and a not a kanto concept if it's in a game I do like
you have no real standards
>Name the reason they scripted the encounter, then
to design the start of the game a specific way to teach the player how wild encounters work
> The o ly possible answer is nostalgia
Yep, you're right. Gyms only exist because of nostalgia.
>Kalos she’s entire locations with Kanto
Unova shares its entire plot structure with Kanto which includes elements plucked straight from Kanto purely for the sake of nostalgia.
>If its own identity, yes
Ah yes I love its own identity of having 8 badges and e4 and victory road
This is getting tiring anon. Give me some substance.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Part 2
>Demonstrably true
Demonstrably false; obviously because you haven’t played the games in question. So you naturally shift to not knowing who the champion IS, not that there is A champion at all like you said earlier. Regardless, Unova is different from Kanto in many ways at the endgame because you battle your rival, champion, and evil team leader at the same time, which broke the monotonous “dismantle the bad guys in the last couple gyms” point, as well as the “no one can beat the champion except you” point.
>Kalos is also different.
Irrelevant. It has too many things in common with Kanto. While both Unova and Kalos have things like Pokeballs, Trainers, and Champions [all originally introduced in Kanto but aren't Kanto concepts], only Kalos shoves Kanto specific Pokemon into the story, worldbuilding, new forms, and scripted encounters that all purely present themselves for nostalgia's sake only. Show me the Forest in Unova that is a copy pasta of a Kanto forest. Show me the story beats in Unova that inexplicably happen to parallel Kanto's the way the Snorlax one does.
Unova mons felt natural and expanded the world. You know what didn’t? A French Forest magically having the exact same layout as a Japanese one. Pidgey being a mandatory first encounter. Snorlaxes magically having an affinity for sleeping on bridges. Mewtwo magically having an affinity to stand in caves. Kanto starters being handed out for no apparent reason. Kanto pokemon being magically more prone to mega evolving. None of these can be lore explained in a way that accomplishes worldbuilding, only explained through the lens of “they wanted you to feel nostalgia”.
Alola absolutely does have an identity of its own. For frick's sake it was the frist game that changed boos fights from gym leaders that work no differently from every other trainer in the game to Totem pokemon that have a unique battke format. Yeah it has regional variants and a handful of Z-moves exclusive to a Kanto mon but the Kanto pandering doesn't reach the extent of XY's which copy and pasted a dungeon from RB 1:1 nor are the Kanto starters obtainable
this post is so cringe and i dont get why braindead morons post it. no i dont think of kanto when i think of gen 6-8. embarrassing. just a rant about the imaginary genwunner ruining their games like always. like yeah im sure billy over here with his wife and kids are responsible for the awful games and not oh idk fricking
gamefreak. christ.
>boot up Shield >DUDE CHARIZARD IS THE STRONGEST ON GODDD, REMEMBER CHARIZARD AND GENGAR?
My respect for Pokemon vanished pretty hard, X almost took it away with it gifting you a Kanto starter with their mega stone, but I tried to be positive about it being their first 3D game.
>DPPt is bad because it has a slow engine, is bogged down HMs, has repetitive tedious encounters, >BW/2 is bad becase it removes a bunch of features, has too much tutorials and handholding, has ugly poorly animated sprites, >SM/USUM is bad because it has too many slow unskippable cutscenes >SS is bad because of the performance in the wild area and they dex cut Pokemon >SV is bad because it's buggy and the graphics look bad
>XY is bad because.....some kanto pokemon show up sometimes
Damn imagine XY being such a good game that you need to be this fricking desperate to grasp at the bottom of the barrel to find flaws. Incredible.
Stop being a reductionist. Someone can do that same by saying alola haters just mad that dialogue exists. You're changing the frame of the criticism to make the critics look stupid while not actually understanding the logic behind the criticism.
> Amazing how its been 10 years and they still cant find any objective flaws in Kalos.
* The most forgettable Rivals/Friends/Gym Leaders/E4/Champion/Villain/Villain Team.
* Super Easy.
* The most pathetic rematches against Gym Leaders/E4/Champion.
* Only 72 new pokémon.
* Santalune forest and Viridian Forest
* Snorlax roadblock
* 12 out of 28 megas introduced in XY were kanto megas and only 1 Kalos mega (in ORAS)
* Legendary hunt only has one Kalos mon (Zygarde). It has Mewtwo and Kanto birds
* Pidgey is always the first wild encounter
* Gift Mega Kanto Starter
* Gift Mega Lucario
* Mewtwo and Zard get two megas
* Lysandre is a copy of Cyrus
* Team Flare is first encountered the exact same way as Team Rocket was, right down to picking one of two fossils
* Lysandre labs is a copy of the Rocket hideout with the spin tiles and elevator key hunt
* Poké Ball Factory shares several similarities with the Silph Co. office building in Saffron City: both places are involved in creating Poké Balls, are located in the same city or town as the sixth Gym of the region, get taken over by a villainous team at some point, and both companies' presidents reward the player with a Master Ball after driving the villainous team out of the building.
* Immigrants from or tourists to Kanto talking about how great it is
* The kalos regional dex is made up of kanto pokemon more than any other region (Kanto: 111 (24.2%), even more than fricking kalosmons who make up 15.7%)
* It created the most autistic, self-inserter and toxic anime fandom.
>* The most pathetic rematches against Gym Leaders/E4/Champion. >not using black writ of challenge
I mean they're still piss easy but +20 levels is an inprovement
Okay, but genuine question I've always been curious about: if you're doing a Nuzlocke in these games, does that mean you have to catch Pidgey no matter what? Or is it a free pass since this is a scripted event, and it'd go against the spirit of the Nuzlocke to use Pokemon you'd usually never use?
It largely depends on the player, because Nuzlockes are self imposed challenges. I will say that >Or is it a free pass since this is a scripted event, and it'd go against the spirit of the Nuzlocke to use Pokemon you'd usually never use?
is a good argument to use in favour of not counting the encounter.
OP's fact is an exact word-to-word repost of a topic already discussed before. Anytime this thread is reposted, it's intentionally trying to get people to argue about this subject, despite it being so insignificant.
is that a reference
My planned nuzlocke says if I see a Pidgey, a pokemon must be released.
But I have either 0 or 1 pokemon that can't be released!
What do I do?
>nuzlockeNPCs coming to terms with the fact they can ignore any rule at any time
Abandon nuzlocke and over level your starter
X and Y has a lot short of routes with a wide vareisty of mons, you really aren't missing out missing out on skipping the first one
pretty sure you get pokeballs after the catching tut, which is after the pidgey enc.
Gen 5 would never!
look at those colors. so beautiful
and this is a problem how?
Kanto Pandering is and always will be shit
>Literally just pidgeot with longer hair
Peak uncreativity for the most uncreative regional bird
>Most uncreative regional bird
Swellow takes that title.
Also, how can Pidgeot be the least creative when it created the "regional bird" trope in Pokemon. Every generation since 3 have had new bird for the sake of tradition
>Also, how can Pidgeot be the least creative when it created the "regional bird" trope in Pokemon
Because it's literally just a bird with nothing special.
And Swellow (as mentioned above) isn't?
>Samurai haircut
>The V-tail that forms 2 katana sheath
>Signature move つばめがえし Swallow return (Aerial Ace) being a sword technique, so named due to its resemblance to the motion of a swallow's tail in flight, and is usually construed as a quick upward slash followed by a second one down the same direction
No it's not just a plain bird.
That's not a signature move.
Yes it was it's signature move in gen 3.
>grasping at straws
Pidgeot is based on Horus, an Ancient Egyptian deity, you can see the markings and long hair.
Not just a plain bird. You might just have anti-Gen 1 bias
>grasping at straws
it's called being cultured americans can't relate
>Pidgeot is based on Horus, an Ancient Egyptian deity
>Ancient Egyptian deity
>in Japan
So Pidgeot's orientalist/racist? How does that help people abandon every newer Pokémon for it and only it?
Sorry nobody likes your ugly nugen slopmon thats just pidgey or rattata reskinned
>Sorry nobody likes your ugly nugen slopmon thats just pidgey or rattata reskinned
I agree. Unova is shit because I have to collect 8 badges and go to Victory Road and fight the Elite Four like KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
That's just how the Pokemon world is structured. That's like saying every democracy in the world believe Greeks are superior people. Meanwhile XY goes out of it's way to make you feel nostalgia for Kanto, while giving the finger to any natural feeling worldbuilding
>Unova out of no where
Meds.
>That's just how the Pokemon world is structured
the game with the least kanto pandering
>every Alolan form is a Kanto mon, you also have Samson Oak
>a bunch of the Poké Ride mons are Kanto mons
>Kanto mons like Pikachu, Eevee, Snorlax, and Mew getting exclusive Z-Moves
>the “Kantonian Gym”
try again
>no 8 badges
>no gym leaders
>no victory road
>new version of geodude instead of geodude being copy/pasted in
try again
>Gym Leaders
Kahunas
>no Victory Road
Mt. Lanakila means Mt. Victory
>new form of Geodude somehow doesn’t count as Geodude
>Kahunas
so not gym leaders, glad you agree
>Mt. Lanakila means Mt. Victory
so not victory road, glad you agree
>new form of Geodude somehow doesn’t count as Geodude
correct, doing something specifically to not copy kanto means you're not kanto pandering
>they changed the names so it isn't pandering
leave my board
>they put effort into giving the region its own identity unlike unova so it’s not pandering
Correct.
>translating the names without even changing them is somehow "effort" and somehow changes identity
You're a moron.
No it's not. Kanto Pokemon have always shown up, but in the same way as everyone else. When they "show up" in my face in an obnoxious way that ruins game immersion and believability, and in a way that is way blown out of proportion, and eats into other regions' identity, that's when it becomes a problem
>translating the names without even changing them
They did change them though. That’s the point. Unlike Unova which didn’t even bother doing that.
> When they "show up" in my face in an obnoxious way
A single Pidgey encounter isn’t obnoxious or unbelievable unless you’re just supremely autistic. If you want to whine about obnoxious encounters you should be b***hing at Sinnoh instead.
You know what’s more immersion breaking and less believable? A region like Unova having 8 gyms and another cave that’s called Victory Road.
>Diglett = Drilbur
>Diglett ≠ Alolan Diglett
you can’t be this stupid
>OMG LANGUAGE DIFFERENT THEREFORE ITS NOT PANDERING
Just admit having a victory road isn’t pandering. You’re almost there. Do you think having pokeballs is pandering?
>single pidgey
It’s fine in a vacuum, but it adds up in XY.
Having a couple good games and grouping shit with it doesn’t make them all good.
Irrelevant. When someone asks what pussy you’ve touched, there’s already an understanding between both of you that you can gloss over that.
>Yet they still have goombas
Ok, and? Newer games have Kanto mons present and catchable, but no ones complaining about that.
>source?
No one would want to play a Pokemon game if EVERY wild encounter was scripted like that pidgey, right?
>Nope
Yep.
>No they aren’t.
Tell me who established Alola as a legitimate region, anon. It isn’t the natives.
>parliament
Is, according to you, copied from another region in multiple regions, which means pandering.
>copypasta
See above and below
>Neither is pidgey.
Not only is Pidgey a Kanto mon, encountering it mandatorily is only there to invoke nostalgia of Kanto games. Can you tell me another reason who it’s forced?
>common sense nomenclature isn’t something anyone could have come up with
Words mean what they means anon. Anyone could have came up with that. Was “elite” and “victory” a new word when you heard it from Pokemon the first time?
>it’s a twist in every region until Gen 8
Demonstrably false; obviously because you haven’t played the games in question. So you naturally shift to not knowing who the champion IS, not that there is A champion at all like you said earlier. Regardless, Unova is different from Kanto in many ways at the endgame because you battle your rival, champion, and evil team leader at the same time, which broke the monotonous “dismantle the bad guys in the last couple gyms” point, as well as the “no one can beat the champion except you” point.
>Having a couple good games and grouping shit with it doesn’t make them all good.
All of those games are good though
>implying
You forgot
>MC just moved to alola from kanto
alolan forms are for pokemon who can adapt to the different climate of alola. the pokemon native to kanto are designed close to real animals do it makes sense why they can adapt better than numons which have no sense of realism
>Regional forms are exclusive alternative forms of Gen 1 Pokemon
>Any signature Z-Moves that aren't for a Gen 7 Pokemon are instead for Gen 1
Pokemon
>All the non-Gen 7 Gift Pokemon are Gen 1 Pokemon
>The protagonist and rival from RGBY returning
>Professor OOOOOOOOOOOAK's cousin
>Team Rocket is back!
>Lillie travels to Kanto
>(You)'re from Kanto
>DIGLETT's Tunnel
>EXEGGUTOR Island
>PIKACHU Valley
>Vermillion Gym
>NOOOOOOO THE MOST RECENTLY ESTABLISHED REGION DOESN'T HAVE A LEAGUE EVEN THOUGH IT'S ESTABLISHING ONE WITH NO KANTO REASONING BEHINDIT AND SUCKS KANTO'S DICK HARDER ANYWAY
Not helping your case. If anything it's proof that all regions want to have a league irregardless to if Kanto has one.
THE MOST RECENTLY ESTABLISHED REGION
The region existed for hundreds to thousands of years.
>EVEN THOUGH IT'S ESTABLISHING ONE WITH NO KANTO REASONING BEHINDIT
Kukui wants to make a league because he visited Kanto. This implies having a league is pandering to Kanto. Therefore Unova is pandering to Kanto.
>The region existed for hundreds to thousands of years.
Stop being obtuse for the sake of arguing. Obviously the land has existed for millennia, but the people only recently got there.
>having a league is pandering to Kanto
So having a democracy means you're obsessed with Greece? What do you think about having pokeballs? Is that Kanto pandering?
>So having a democracy means you're obsessed with Greece?
you can't use this argument then at the same time start seething when a pigeon shows up in more than one place on the planet
Showing up isn't the problem. Being scripted isn't natural In the same way random encounters are and are only there to induce nostalgia.
The pandering part is bringing up Kanto, yes.
Could've been any other region, or not any of them at all.
But no, we need to tell the player that it's all about Kanto.
>The pandering part is bringing up Kanto, yes.
and...you know...copying kanto's entire plot structure of collecting 8 badges and fighting the elite 4 even though it barely has anything to do with the rest of the game's plot
The basic premise of the games being recycled in almost every instance is not an issue.
At that point it being Pokemon is "Kanto pandering"
Glad you agree whining about Pidgey being in the game is fricking moronic.
>doesn’t understand the criticism
Pandering bad. Cope and seethe.
I agree, Unova having 8 Gyms/Victory Road/E4 is bad.
So you think having Pokeballs is an example of pandering to Kanto. Got it.
So you think having Pidgey is an example of pandering to Kanto. Got it.
Reiterating for the fifth time, Kanto Pokemon have always shown up, but in the same way as everyone else. When they "show up" in my face in an obnoxious way that ruins game immersion and believability, and in a way that is way blown out of proportion, and eats into other regions' identity, that's when it becomes a problem. You're changing the frame of the criticism to make the critics look stupid while not actually understanding the logic behind the criticism. Showing up isn't the problem. Being scripted isn't natural In the same way random encounters are and are only there to induce nostalgia.
>Unova having 8 Gyms/Victory Road/E4 is bad.
No but Alola and Galar not having those things and starting the whole issue of Kanto pandering to begin with it.
Alola trials are just reskinned gym
>Both have a strong trained specialized in that type
>Both have puzzles
>Both can have multiple fights until you reach the boss of the gym/trial
>Both gives you important items afterwards
>Both of have identification symbols (gym badges and stamps)
i don't see why people say they're different things anyway
>Alola trials are just reskinned gym
And yet Unova couldn't even do that much and they just copy/pasted gyms. Really goes to show how much they pandered to Kanto.
Non ironicly, Johto has less Kanto mons than Aloha
>a pokemon being in a pokemon game is kanto pandering
imagine being so mentally ill you play a mario game, see a goomba scripted as the first enemy, and then you scream about it being mushroom kingdom pandering
>That's just how the Pokemon world is structured
Ok then Pidgey existing is "just how the Pokemon world is structured"
>mario game
no where near what Pokemon is in terms of having fleshed out regions to explore
>pidgy existing
not the problem, ESL. It somehow being in the laws of physics that a Pidgy must attack you first against the odds of all other mons is an obvious attempt to make you feel nostalgia towards Kanto specifically. Same thing with the Viridian knockoff.
>no where near what Pokemon is in terms of having fleshed out regions to explore
Yes it is. They both have different regions with the same and different enemies.
>It somehow being in the laws of physics that a Pidgy must attack you first
scripted story events != laws of physics
seek mental help
>y-you're being obtuse because you responded to what I said
Maybe you should stop being a schizo and start getting actual arguments.
>but the people only recently got there
People existed there for hundreds to thousands of years.
>So having a democracy means you're obsessed with Greece?
"Democracy" is a vague common sense concept that anyone could come up with. "You need to fight these 8 Gym Leaders who hand out badges then you need to go through this cave called Victory Road then fight these group of people called the Elite Four but WAIT you actually need to fight a fifth person after them as a twist" is Kanto pandering.
>Yes it is.
No it isn't. Mario games are looked forward to for the new interesting level and enemy designs, while the region is just a wallpaper. Pokemon regions are infinitely more integral to the experience, as they are the world that you are to explore.
>scripted story events =/= laws of physics
Ask yourself this: If they did more of it, would it be worse? In this case, yes. Scripting more and more encounters, even if they weren't for the God region, would make for a worse game. It's the principle that ,makes it a bad sign of what started in that generation.
>responded
No. You intentionally misinterpret and gaslight.
>People existed there for-
Sure, the aboriginals of Australia did too. They're irrelevant. Pokemon trainers from Kanto and Johto established many Alola cities and kickstarted its industry as a legitimate region and not some little settlement.
>anyone could have come up with democracy
Frick you, moron. Replace it with "parliament" and my point remains
>8 gym leaders
anyone could have come up with area based bosses that test you as a trainer and specialize in a type
>the name "victory road" triggers me
either way, it's never Kanto specific
>overarching best trainers of the region with a leader that is the single best in the region
common sense concept tat anyone could come up with
>but WAIT you actually need to fight a fifth person after them as a twist
This was only a twist in Kanto. You expect to fight a champion in all other regions.
>Mario games are looked forward to for the new interesting level and enemy designs
Yet they still have Goombas.
> In this case, yes
source?
>No. You intentionally misinterpret and gaslight
Nope.
>They're irrelevant
No they aren't.
>Replace it with "parliament" and my point remains
"Parliament" is a vague common sense concept that anyone could come up with. "You need to fight these 8 Gym Leaders who hand out badges then you need to go through this cave called Victory Road then fight these group of people called the Elite Four but WAIT you actually need to fight a fifth person after them as a twist" is Kanto pandering.
>either way, it's never Kanto specific
Neither is Pidgey. What's your point?
>common sense concept tat anyone could come up with
Naming a place "Victory Road" and then having to fight exactly 5 Trainers after it called "the Elite 4" isn't something anyone could come up with
>This was only a twist in Kanto.
It's a twist in every region until Gen 8. Which is why the games made a point to never reveal who the champion is until you reach them.
>It's a twist in every region until Gen 8. Which is why the games made a point to never reveal who the champion is until you reach them.
Except when they don't. Like Gen 5.
>Except when they don't. Like Gen 5
N is the twist champion and BW2 goes out of its way to never reveal Iris as the champion until the last second.
>Just admit having a victory road isn’t pandering
Just admit having Pidgey isn't pandering. You’re almost there. Do you think having pokeballs is pandering?
>b-but it adds up
yeah just like victory road adds up with 8 gyms who hand out badges which adds up with the elite four
>Ok, and?
It's no different than Pidgey.
>No one would want to play a Pokemon game if EVERY wild encounter was scripted like that pidgey,
But we're not talking about every wild encounter being scripted. Are you arguing BW is worse because legendaries are scripted?
>Yep.
Nope.
> It isn’t the natives.
source?
>Is, according to you, copied from another region in multiple regions
"Parliament" is vague. "Collect exactly 8 badges then go to this place called Victory Road then fight the Elite Four except there's actually another guy you need to fight after them" isn't vague.
>Not only is Pidgey a Kanto mon, encountering it mandatorily is only there to invoke nostalgia of Kanto games.
Just like collecting 8 badges and going through Victory Road and fighting the E4. Can you tell me another reason who it’s forced?
>Anyone could have came up with that
Kanto's extremely specific story structure? Not really.
>Demonstrably false
Demonstrably true.
>Regardless, Unova is different from Kanto in many ways at the endgame
And Kalos is different from Kanto in many ways at the beginninggame. What's your point?
alder is introduced as the champion and N makes it clear he's vying for the title
both characters who could be the champion when you arrive have already been introduced as possibilities. that's not a surprise reveal, it's just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
>N and Iris
Which is different from what you said about Kanto, which was that there BEING a champion was the twist. your rival, champion, and evil team leader at the same time, which broke the monotonous “dismantle the bad guys in the last couple gyms” point, as well as the “no one can beat the champion except you” point.
>just like [thing that isn't a kanto property] adds up with [thing that isn't a kanto property] adds up with [thing that isn't a kanto property]
So it's not Kanto pandering. Got it.
>no different than pidgey
In Mario every enemy is scripted. This is Pokemon. There being a single scripted encounter purely for Kanto nostalgia sake is Kanto pandering.
>we're not talking about [thing I defended except dialed up]
Stop avoiding the discussion. The more is scripted, the worse. Regular old grass shouldn't be scripted.
>Nope.
Yep
>source?
How about playing the Alola games?
>but it's not vague
Doesn't mean it's a Kanto concept. "A form of government in which the executive branch derives its legitimacy and political mandate from the legislative branch and is accountable to it" isn't vague either. These are just practices of various regions that are the same.
>just like [things that aren't Kanto concepts]
This is getting tiring. No one gets Nostalgic for Kanto SPECIFICALLY when they get badges from other regions. It's just what most of the regions do to test their trainers. We don't even know what region canonically thought of it.
>Kanto's extremely specific story structure? Not really.
It's a pretty basic JRPG progression wit increasingly leveled bosses, proof of completion, and final tests.
>Which is different from what you said about Kanto
no it isn't
a twist champion is a twist champion
>So it's not Kanto pandering. Got it.
glad you agree pidget isn't kanto pandering
>In Mario every enemy is scripted
so it has even worse pandering than pokemon?
>The more is scripted, the worse
source?
>Yep
Nope
>How about playing the Alola games?
I did
>Doesn't mean it's a Kanto concept
Glad you agree Pidgey isn't Kanto pandering
> No one gets Nostalgic for Kanto SPECIFICALLY when they get badges from other regions
No one gets nostalgic for Kanto SPECIFICALLY when they see a Pidgey
>It's a pretty basic JRPG progression wit increasingly leveled bosses
Other JRPGs have badges and victory road and elite 4?
>Regardless, Unova is different from Kanto in many ways
So is Kalos. What's your point?
>Irrelevant. It has too many things in common with Kanto
Glad you agree Unova is full of Kanto pandering.
>twist champion
There’s a difference between the twist being the fact that there is a champion at all and the twist being who the champion is
>pidgey
Is a Kanto property and this is Kanto is seeing in this instant.
>worse pandering
Mario games are more similar from one another in general.
>source?
The fact that if every encounter in the game was scripted, it’d be objectively shit
>Nope
Yep
>I did
Then you know people who migrated to Alola did the heavy lifting.
>conflating gym badges, which aren’t Kanto concepts, with a scripted pidgey, which is a Kanto concept forced in your face
Due on this hill if you want, your choice.
>no one gets nostalgic when they see a scripted mom from Kanto mimicking Kanto nostalgia
You’re delusional anon. Name the reason they scripted the encounter, then. The o ly possible answer is nostalgia, even if not everyone realized it.
>other badges have bosses with proof of completion?
Yes, and each franchise has its own name for it.
>So is Kalos
Kalos she’s entire locations with Kanto, as well as several elements plucked straight from Kanto purely for the sake of nostalgia. Unova does not.
>Unova is full
If its own identity, yes. Sorry Kalos couldn’t be.
This is getting tiring anon. Give me some substance.
>There’s a difference between the twist being the fact that there is a champion at all and the twist being who the champion is
not really
either way the twist is that you have to fight a mystery fifth person even though it's called the elite 4
>Is a Kanto property
ok then so are gyms and e4 and victory road
>Mario games are more similar from one another in general
Pokemon games are also similar from one another in general.
>The fact that if every encounter in the game was scripted, it’d be objectively shit
So BW is bad for having scripted legendaries?
>Yep
Nope
>Then you know people who migrated to Alola did the heavy lifting
It was still a region before that
>it's a kanto concept if it's in a game I don't like and a not a kanto concept if it's in a game I do like
you have no real standards
>Name the reason they scripted the encounter, then
to design the start of the game a specific way to teach the player how wild encounters work
> The o ly possible answer is nostalgia
Yep, you're right. Gyms only exist because of nostalgia.
>Kalos she’s entire locations with Kanto
Unova shares its entire plot structure with Kanto which includes elements plucked straight from Kanto purely for the sake of nostalgia.
>If its own identity, yes
Ah yes I love its own identity of having 8 badges and e4 and victory road
This is getting tiring anon. Give me some substance.
Part 2
>Demonstrably true
Demonstrably false; obviously because you haven’t played the games in question. So you naturally shift to not knowing who the champion IS, not that there is A champion at all like you said earlier. Regardless, Unova is different from Kanto in many ways at the endgame because you battle your rival, champion, and evil team leader at the same time, which broke the monotonous “dismantle the bad guys in the last couple gyms” point, as well as the “no one can beat the champion except you” point.
>Kalos is also different.
Irrelevant. It has too many things in common with Kanto. While both Unova and Kalos have things like Pokeballs, Trainers, and Champions [all originally introduced in Kanto but aren't Kanto concepts], only Kalos shoves Kanto specific Pokemon into the story, worldbuilding, new forms, and scripted encounters that all purely present themselves for nostalgia's sake only. Show me the Forest in Unova that is a copy pasta of a Kanto forest. Show me the story beats in Unova that inexplicably happen to parallel Kanto's the way the Snorlax one does.
Unova mons felt natural and expanded the world. You know what didn’t? A French Forest magically having the exact same layout as a Japanese one. Pidgey being a mandatory first encounter. Snorlaxes magically having an affinity for sleeping on bridges. Mewtwo magically having an affinity to stand in caves. Kanto starters being handed out for no apparent reason. Kanto pokemon being magically more prone to mega evolving. None of these can be lore explained in a way that accomplishes worldbuilding, only explained through the lens of “they wanted you to feel nostalgia”.
>Kanto Pandering is and always will be shit
This
Alola absolutely does have an identity of its own. For frick's sake it was the frist game that changed boos fights from gym leaders that work no differently from every other trainer in the game to Totem pokemon that have a unique battke format. Yeah it has regional variants and a handful of Z-moves exclusive to a Kanto mon but the Kanto pandering doesn't reach the extent of XY's which copy and pasted a dungeon from RB 1:1 nor are the Kanto starters obtainable
*boss fights
this post is so cringe and i dont get why braindead morons post it. no i dont think of kanto when i think of gen 6-8. embarrassing. just a rant about the imaginary genwunner ruining their games like always. like yeah im sure billy over here with his wife and kids are responsible for the awful games and not oh idk fricking
gamefreak. christ.
>imaginary genwunner
>boot up Shield
>DUDE CHARIZARD IS THE STRONGEST ON GODDD, REMEMBER CHARIZARD AND GENGAR?
My respect for Pokemon vanished pretty hard, X almost took it away with it gifting you a Kanto starter with their mega stone, but I tried to be positive about it being their first 3D game.
>RBY>FRLG>LGPE>GSC>HGSS>XY>SM>USUM
Kanto timeline are the only good games
Nostalgia pandering is the #1 sign of a company having zero confidence in their product (and they were right because XY are trash)
>Thread about XY and Kanto
>Suddenly Unova out of nowhere
kek
Yes
and iirc the pidgey is scripted to never be shiny
I love useless facts like these, keep 'em coming OP
Did you know that you can tell a bait thread from the fact that they always slip in a mistake in what they're saying in hopes of more (You)s?
>DPPt is bad because it has a slow engine, is bogged down HMs, has repetitive tedious encounters,
>BW/2 is bad becase it removes a bunch of features, has too much tutorials and handholding, has ugly poorly animated sprites,
>SM/USUM is bad because it has too many slow unskippable cutscenes
>SS is bad because of the performance in the wild area and they dex cut Pokemon
>SV is bad because it's buggy and the graphics look bad
>XY is bad because.....some kanto pokemon show up sometimes
Damn imagine XY being such a good game that you need to be this fricking desperate to grasp at the bottom of the barrel to find flaws. Incredible.
Stop being a reductionist. Someone can do that same by saying alola haters just mad that dialogue exists. You're changing the frame of the criticism to make the critics look stupid while not actually understanding the logic behind the criticism.
> Stop being a reductionist
You can’t say it’s reductionist when it’s literally what your complaint is.
how do I get all the type gems in XY?
Should've been fletchling or bunnelby.
Did you know that the first pussy and booba you will ever touch is scripted to be your mom?
Jokes on you, I was a C-section baby and was formula feed
> Amazing how its been 10 years and they still cant find any objective flaws in Kalos.
* The most forgettable Rivals/Friends/Gym Leaders/E4/Champion/Villain/Villain Team.
* Super Easy.
* The most pathetic rematches against Gym Leaders/E4/Champion.
* Only 72 new pokémon.
* Santalune forest and Viridian Forest
* Snorlax roadblock
* 12 out of 28 megas introduced in XY were kanto megas and only 1 Kalos mega (in ORAS)
* Legendary hunt only has one Kalos mon (Zygarde). It has Mewtwo and Kanto birds
* Pidgey is always the first wild encounter
* Gift Mega Kanto Starter
* Gift Mega Lucario
* Mewtwo and Zard get two megas
* Lysandre is a copy of Cyrus
* Team Flare is first encountered the exact same way as Team Rocket was, right down to picking one of two fossils
* Lysandre labs is a copy of the Rocket hideout with the spin tiles and elevator key hunt
* Poké Ball Factory shares several similarities with the Silph Co. office building in Saffron City: both places are involved in creating Poké Balls, are located in the same city or town as the sixth Gym of the region, get taken over by a villainous team at some point, and both companies' presidents reward the player with a Master Ball after driving the villainous team out of the building.
* Immigrants from or tourists to Kanto talking about how great it is
* The kalos regional dex is made up of kanto pokemon more than any other region (Kanto: 111 (24.2%), even more than fricking kalosmons who make up 15.7%)
* It created the most autistic, self-inserter and toxic anime fandom.
>a-actually there are objective flaws
>first point is “it’s forgettable”, the peak of subjectivity
epic
>peak of subjectivity
I only hear people say this when defending XY. Things can be objectively more forgettable than others, schizo.
>* The most pathetic rematches against Gym Leaders/E4/Champion.
>not using black writ of challenge
I mean they're still piss easy but +20 levels is an inprovement
How should I nuzlocke it?
Also, that's a lie. IF you hack it and start you game past route 1, you can encounter others first.
Don't confuse identity signs with Kanto Pandering
>pidgey is in the game
>78 posts
>27 posters
>look guys I noticed that people can post more than once
why do unovagays think this is an argument
Children are generally stupid.
Why are the Kalosdiscordtrannies here
Okay, but genuine question I've always been curious about: if you're doing a Nuzlocke in these games, does that mean you have to catch Pidgey no matter what? Or is it a free pass since this is a scripted event, and it'd go against the spirit of the Nuzlocke to use Pokemon you'd usually never use?
It largely depends on the player, because Nuzlockes are self imposed challenges. I will say that
>Or is it a free pass since this is a scripted event, and it'd go against the spirit of the Nuzlocke to use Pokemon you'd usually never use?
is a good argument to use in favour of not counting the encounter.
A typical nuzlocke hater will say:
"HAHAHAHAH! He totally broke the rule! Nuzlockes stink!"
Never make that happen! If the encounter is scripted you have to catch it anyway! Or release a pokemon or whatever.
More Kanto gayging. Had to be gen 6
>OP posts a cute pokefact
>ends up with 100 mindbroken posts
whats wrong with this board
kanto makes zoomers seethe out of pure jealousy
OP's fact is an exact word-to-word repost of a topic already discussed before. Anytime this thread is reposted, it's intentionally trying to get people to argue about this subject, despite it being so insignificant.
>a topic already discussed before.
Like the entire catalog? If such an inoffensive post triggers you, you need meds.
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cute