>DM: Alright, time to start our 5e level 1 campaign fighting some goblins, run me through the characters you guys wanna make
>Player 1: Son of the archduke of Baldur's Gate who saved the city from utter destruction but it's secret nobody knows just like batman and he's banished form home and became a powerful warlock bounty hunting in the nine hells and he also does male ballet also he's black
>Player 2: Elf rogue twink powerbottom vampire spawn who's lived hundreds of years in the shadow, seducing and bareback fricking 7,000 people for his abusive master
>Player 3: A wizard from Waterdeep. He's so skilled that his ex-gf is the goddess of magic that he had lots of SEX with, he has netherese technology implanted in his body, and he's buddies with Elminster ^_^ oh and he's a pansexual ethical bawd / nympho btw wanna see a magic trick?
What would you do as the DM in this situation?
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Set up the opening so they all end up killing each other.
I say "none of that shit is going to work, sorry. You're level 1. Your backstory is your mundane life before deciding to become an adventurer and we're humans only. I don't care if you want to do weird sex shit but it's going to be fade to black."
If they don't comply then I just find better players.
Larian handled you. They're all level 1 because of Illithid mindwipe.
Okay but what's BG3 got to do with this level 1 goblin fighting campaign? You don't even see a goblin until level 2 in BG3. In this situation I'm not running BG3 I'm running a normal campaign that starts with goblins but my creatively braindead players just made characters from a video game.
You're running a campaign using d&d 5e, starting at 1st level fighting generic goblins, and you have the nerve to call your players creatively braindead?
Yes. You don't have any idea what I can do with a couple of goblins and 1st level challenges.
>Ha, this goblin mob as a SPEAR, bet you were expecting a HANDAXE
>Lets see how they handle THREE GOBLINS
>I'll even give one a spell or something :^)
Truly a master class in creativity. Bravo.
Yes, and if you think any of those things signal a lack of creativity, then you don't even know what creativity is.
lol braindead imaginationlet
> To cope with not knowing what creativity is
> I will show people that I don't know what imagination is!
You are less imaginative and creative than a normalgay. You are not superior, but inferior.
lol you don't know what imagination is
> no u
> lol
Don't feel bad about not knowing what imagination is. Dimwits like you help midwits feel better about themselves.
Picking a different system, starting at a different level, and fighting a different monster has zero bearing on the creativity of a gm. If you don't create characters that fit the adventure, though, and chose a video game character instead, then you really are creatively braindead, and that gm of the simple campaign is likely your superior. Realize this and learn from the goblinchad.
>You don't even see a goblin until level 2 in BG3
Technically you see them as the ship crashes before hitting level 2.
Then just be an adult and tell them those characters don't fit the campaign. Why are you running games for people you don't like?
Playing 5E would be my biggest problem with that. I don't even hate 5E, or DnD in general, it just seemed like a functional but bland system when I tried it, not really bad but with nothing aside its popularity going on for it over other alternatives.
That works in BG3 because it's not, in fact a low-level campaign about fighting goblins, and it's very beginning makes it perfectly clear that there are bigger things going on.
While it may be true that the game will give new players bad assumptions, I think videogames are a very different beast compared to tabletop, even videogames based on TTRPG systems. I don't think it'd be good for vidya to be overly worried about how similar to a typical TTRPG campaign it is, either.
Why were kids the first thing that came to your mind when someone mentioned sex?
Don't pretend any of this is new. Well, maybe the sex obsession, though so far in my playthrough there's been a lot less of that than /tg/ claimed. There's nothing in the character backstories that couldn't as well have been in late 90s cRPGs. Every character in BG3 is downright grounded compared to the Nameless One.
i dont like humans goodbye
>humans only
You play no games.
>Your backstory is your mundane life before deciding to become an adventurer and we're humans only.
Dwarfs, Orcs, and Elves can't have lived mundane lives?
I don't care whether they do or not. Humans only. Stop arguing.
More likely just one of those people who pretends that cutting out the usual fantasy races automatically makes their setting better somehow.
It does, moron.
How, exactly? Seems like it's still the usual shit, but now there aren't elves, dwarves, and orcs.
What's the picture have to do with what you said?
Posting a girl makes it more likely that people will look at your post. Notice all the inane topics started with a lust provoking image. Try it sometime when you want attention.
Fair enough.
This picture justr brought back memories. someone posted this picture on tumblr and (mostly Black folk) people started screeeeeeching about how she was stealing japanese culture and when she explained she got it from her host family they started threatening to kill her for having white privilege.
tumblr was a literal zoo
Blacks just viscerally hate white people, especially when they're just chilling and having a good time. They're full of envy and resentment against beauty.
Blackfatigue is setting in even with all the normies I know.
Come on, we all know that actually means your players leaving to find a better DM.
>DM: Alright, time to start our 5e
I would simply not be in that situation but I suppose the solution solution that predicament is to tell them that their only job as playerscum is to make characters that suit the premise I give them.
>overimportant backstory
legitimate criticism
>sex is le bad
Don't care! I wish americans would stop being such enormous fricking prudes.
>i can't just go around fricking kids in america like i can in Eurostan because free humans will shoot me.
Sounds rough
>I can only envision sex as between an adult and a child
Huh.
Because America is comically drenched head to toe in hypersexual imagery and culture, and the only taboo against sex that remains is the anti-pedo one, maybe? Frick, you people think America is prudish when it's the capital of porn and degenerate sex culture, it really does sound like you're pedophiles.
>Because America is comically drenched head to toe in hypersexual imagery and culture
I think it is way Americans are dealing with their puritanical heritage and right now they are overcompensating for that. But there is definitely still undercurrent of puritanical "sex bad" thought.
The "sex bad" stuff is, as it always has been, from the extremes. The extreme left hates it because it "objectifies women" or whatever while the extreme right hates it because "THINK OF THE CHILDREN" or "MUH BOOK" or whatever.
On the contrary, "chastity bad" is the prevailing cultural meme in America you weirdo fricking predditor, you're just delusional because you want sexual access to children and anything short of that is "prudish" to you.
A very concerned mother of America typed this post
He's 100% right though.
All of this cuck shit, troon shit, black worship, anti-white racism, etc. is popularized by American media. Even the Anti-American stuff in Europe is regurgitated from Americans.
I hear people complain about American culture all the time but the fact is that they worship coastal American culture.
Damn, that's a looot of projection my burger-eating friend.
> t. Thinks about kids and sex literally every day
No one thinks “chastity is bad” except the horny dudes trying to frick the (small percentage) of girls who are waiting for marriage (virtually all of whom bend the rules by sucking wiener and anal, as well as weird Mormon dryhumping, btw)
> No one thinks chastity is bad
> By the way, virtually all the chaste are sucking wiener and doing anal
You are what a porn addiction does to a motherfricker
Where do you get this shit from? Most delusional post I've seen in a while, and we're on Ganker, so that's saying a lot.
America is the capital of porn and degenerate sex culture BECAUSE it's prudish. Because all of that shit is considered 'gross' and 'taboo.'
America is the capital of porn and sex culture? Wow, you really need to get out more.
You are a repressed pedophile and probably also a homosexual.
To be fair, raping children is essentially a human right for muslims in your average EU country and germany did at one point turn their version of CPS into a child delivery service to pedophiles to "prove that pedophiles are kind loving people too."
Fricked up shit in Germany = all EU countries. Man, that's like saying you can blame someone living in Texas for what happens in California.
I’m not role playing sex with a fake woman and a bunch of dudes.
much more fun to do in LARP
>wishing that prudes would stop trying to force everyone else to pretend sex isn't a thing that happens is the same as being a degenerate groomer
>Pretend sex isn't a thing
Why are you trying to make others RP your sexual fantasies on any level? Why are you trying to get sweaty DMs with cheeto fingers to mimic a drow woman in orgasm?
Whatever helps you cope, kidfricker.
You're the one who jumped straight into "kid fricking," so it kind of seems like you may be projecting just a bit.
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Or are all homosexuals just this touchy?
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Incredibly normal post from a guy who totally isn't owned or anything
There should be a mental health requirement to use the internet.
Go back to your NAMBLA meetings.
You deserve a crown for all the seething you caused.
bro, who the hell mentioned that? seek help holy shit.
I don't even care much about the sexual stuff normally because whatever. I hate it in Baldurs Gate 3 though because it feels like a hormonal 16 year old's idea of sex and your whole party acts like creepy sex pests that keep pestering you for it even after you turn them down.
Plus the choices tended to be really bad at pointing out which ones led to sex so having accidental gay sex was so common they apparently put out a patch to clarify it, though I don't know exactly what that changed since AC6 has been eating up my free time the last few days.
>waah I hate sex
Go be gay somewhere else
No. The world will change to suit me or be destroyed.
No. I'm not going to sit there and verbally tickle the pickle of a grown man. You don't have to be a prude to not want to become someone else's impromptu fap fiction author.
D&D is a dungeon crawler wargame. Sexuality is not to be included. You are not permitted to reply to this post. Euroscum opinions are invalid.
And it's not like soldiers ever showed excessive skin or had sex with camp followers or anything
moron
Not soldiers in my game. Talk back to me again and I'm taking your kneecaps.
>I wish americans would stop being such enormous fricking prudes.
This every time you talk with americans online. Every. Time.
In a role-playing video game, I agree that whining about sex-related things is childish. In a tabletop game where most of us don't want to help that guy get off, it's fine to exclude that shit.
I like the game.
But Jesus fricking Christ I've been griping since the early access that it's an awful reference for the way (even pretty high powered as it is compared to earlier editions) 5E assumes to be played.
And I get the distinct feeling its going to make new players even more annoying than the Critical Role crowd when their entry point proudly champions the kind of character backstory shittery that has rightfully been a joke for decades (and does a terrible job setting expectations for the kind of adventuring low level characters can reasonably get up to).
The solution is to run higher level games. If the players know the mechanics of BG3, they can probably handle the mechanics of higher-level tabletop characters. It's not an exact one-to-one, but it's close.
>vidya will have a bad influence on tabletop
You're decades late to the party, Bethesda murderhobo simulators have been a disaster.
Payback for DnDogshit's influence on vidya
This is why I’m tempted to get back into 5e and play games with random strangers. I want to see firsthand what (if any) effect BG3 actually ends up having on new D&D players.
The backgrounds are legit so bad they feel like self referential jokes.
Eh, they explain most of them being powered down within the game and they do all share a unifying theme of having a hook in them above and beyond the illithid tadpole. Really I would criticise how they changed the tadpole plot from the EA more than the NPCs being conveniently depowered adventurers.
Gale is definitely the probable highest level/most extreme pre-depowering, but he also isn't that out of whack for FR. Mystra canonically does select and frick powerful wizards.
That and ruleswise all a wizard gotta do to go from pretty strong to b***h-mode is to lose their spellbook. Going from hundreds of spells to about a dozen.
>his wizard uses a spellbook
ngmi
I'm skeptical that gale is going to have that kind of resonance. He's not wyll levels of boring but I have seen a collapse of anyone playing "Clearly this is just me average white/latin male in a fantasy setting" like
. Nowadays it's more people are wont to create their waifu.
I haven't finished it but I was constantly expecting Karsus to show up in a repeat of sourcerer king rex I am not sure if he does or doesn't
None, really. Maybe astarion and vampirism. Tieflings feel like old busted mundane now I am not really sure what's the new it-race.
Larian are always pretty bad at this stuff.
They over write their characters and have them blow their narrative loads far too early.
I was playing Pathfinder Wrath of The Righteous right after BG3 and the characters were so refreshing. Most don’t have amazingly eventful backstories but there’s enough hooks there to get you interested / have them in your party for areas you think are of importance to them.
BG3 has better female companions while WotR has better male companions
Nah, succubus waifu kicks the shit out of any BG3 female character.
lol
>it’s okay when I get off to it
>WotR has better male companions
That's a low bar
>BG3 has better female companions
That's an extremely low bar
Honestly after the first time around not starting your 5e games at minimum level 3 is insane.
Nah, that early stage where you're scrambling to survive and dealing with tiny threats can be the most fun part of the campaign. Most DMs are more likely to screw up the middle or (if they ever play them) high levels of the campaign.
>I really dig Gith lore so I'm playing a typical Githyanki soldier that will slowly realise Vlakith is a tyrant as she adventures with the party
>I'm a Tiefling ex slave that escaped Hell and I have a big axe and a bigger heart
>oh everyone's playing a dark character? who's the evil god of Faerun? I'm gonna be a eeeeevil cleric!
I'd play with my female players that didn't make cringe power fantasy characters
The tiedlijg is the personal enforcer of one of the princes of hell, and shadowheart is the chosen of Shar.
Tiefling. Frick. This is what I get for phone posting.
she's not the chosen of Shar unless you kill the aasimar
>shadowheart is the chosen of Shar.
>player character cleric turns out to be quite important to their deity for some reason
most basic cleric character arc in history, anon complains anyway
She didn't start out as the chosen. That's actually decent tabletop character creation, when you have to earn your cool shit.
I wish I had female players without (thinly veiled) cringe power fantasy issues.
Rocks fall everyone dies except the githyanki
Alright, lets go.
> Player 1: You wake up in the Material Plane. Your memory is fading, like a nightmare you know you had, but can't quite recall. You know that you escaped Hell, but don't remember exactly how... or what the cost was. The memory loss, you start to understand, is probably a consequence of the water of River Styx. There is too many things you don't know (or remembers) about yourself, but going on adventure and putting your skills into use will help remember. Every time you level up, you will not be actually learning, but remembering old abilities you had before all this. Everything feels oddly deterministic, like dejavu. And yet, you can feel, and know, that just beyond the next achievement lies an answer for something new. You need to keep moving. Keep fighting, keep discovering and rediscovering who you're truly are. When you're pondering about this, roll Initiative. Goblins erupt from around you, and they want blood!
Player 2: Your master is a pervert, but his ambitions are finally starting to become interesting. You have to move up in the ladder, find useful information. In order to do this, you have to spend some time as an adventurer and build some reputation as a do gooder - for when time is right, you will use this newfound reputation to be alone with a very old, very powerful and very eccentric rich lord that likes to sponsor expeditions. You must win his trust, so... how about starting your work by dealing with those goblins? Remember, this mission is all about fighting, spending time with other adventurers and maybe, if you're good enough, be really one of them. But when the time comes... your master will demand your obedience. Will you ask your new friends for help or betray them all?
Player 3: You see Elminster and your ex-girlfriend goddess fooling around, mocking you, cucking you and taunting you. You discover through some unexpected (and maybe one time only) use of your netheresian tech that they find amusing that an incompetent nincompoop such as you think yourself as an equal. When you confront them, they challenge you: you must become a great wizard, starting from scratch, as nothing more than an apprentice. In order to win this challenge, you have to relinquish all you influence an reputation, building everything from the ground. A new name, a new legend. If you win, they both will be your slaves, for there is nothing more admirable than a humble wizard who proves himself through sheer willpower. If you lose, you will be forever a joke for them, and no amount of fooling around (with men or women) will satiate you.
Then, there's goblins right there. They seem like good targets for some firebolt practice...
>The players backstories are moronic. I know, I'll fix this by making them more moronic.
>The players backstories are moronic. I know, I'll fix this by making them more moronic
Fighting fire with fire, baby.
Nah. You genuinely thought the backstories were good and are now pretending to agree with criticism to save face. It's not working.
Sometimes the only way out is through.
"If not over, then through" - The Dark Urge
pave my path with corpses, build my castle with bone
Complaining about DMs being creative. You are part of the problem.
Shut up
Rolling with your players' nonsense tends to lead to fun games. Don't let the negativity of the zoo make you feel bad.
>"Alright, i tried. No more 5e for you homosexuals, we're starting an intensive re-education program. Here, roll these d10 and d6, you're making some character for a wfrp 1e game"
Nothing beats playing a full random chargen clunky-ass high-letality picaresque pesudo-renaissance game with lots of gallow humor to wash away moronic vidya powerwank.
Ay yo, what's the best WFRP edition? I want to subject myself to mudcore with some Chaos on top
Black person if you want to play op powerwank i'm all in, it's just baseline expectations regulation. It means the characters will start at 6-8 level instead of 1st and they will be fighting aberrations/demons instead of goblins. It's just that simple.
No I'm actually asking for recs
2e if you want rule consistency, 1e if you want SOVL (it's ass clunky unbalanced shit but has an inherent charme as only something akin to a true passion project can). You can evaluate by yourself.
power fantasies are good and no one will ever play your cringoid system that nobody ever heard of
Anon...
Speak in complete sentences if you have anything of value to say. I know you don't.
Sure, because forcing people to play games they don't want to play works out so well. Some of us actually play games with our friends.
Most players don't care about the system unless it's complicated and they have to buy stuff. The obsession people here have with them is unusual.
Dude, no. Once they learn one system, players will b***h about having to learn another. Maybe if you get them to learn more than one, but for normies even learning one system is a big ask.
I feel like my group is really weird because we demand to swap systems with each campaign, a campaign usually lasting around half a year (we meet weekly).
Honestly this. Players largely don't care (at least once you've established yourself as a good friend/fun at the table). The bigger problem has always been on the DMs who don't want to spend time learning how to run another system.
This is largely because they have fooled themselves into believing that it's any work to run another system. I mean you have to learn some base rules, but largely the GM is allowed to make anything up in any of these games. Literally you can run most games without EVER rolling dice as a DM.
Even in D&D, it's fairly easy to turn attack rolls from monsters into 'dodge/soak' rolls by players
I would say "sounds great guys!", disappear from chat, and never touch D&D again, instead deigning to design an actual game I can run and play.
Have you tried not playing D&D... online and with strangers?
It’s established that the tadpoles made them weaker than they really were. What now OP?
>What would you do as the DM in this situation?
Leave.
Simple as.
Oh, wait- fine, I'll be nice. Explain to them why each of these ideas is absolutely fricking awful, and encourage them to make better characters. If they don't, don't DM.
It's a little bit yas-drama-queen of you to storm out immediately, but setting your ground rules as a DM is perfectly fine.
Roll with it. The only way I'm GMing 5e is if someone is paying me a lot of money to do so. At that point awful players are a par for the course.
It's amazing to me that what's almost a caricature of shitty mary sue backstory writing and deviantart sex-obsessed fanfiction that would get someone run out from most tables ten years ago has become actual, high-profile WoTC-approved media experienced by millions of people.
It say's something about our society.
The same people that did that shit as teenager grow up and rise in managerial position in these companies. Picrel was probably a tumblr fanfiction writer homosexual in his youth.
>a caricature of shitty mary sue backstory writing and deviantart sex-obsessed fanfiction
So, Forgotten Realms?
>sex obsession
>vampire seduces his prey and the guy who was in a relationship with a goddess (you know, that ultimate symbol of status short of becoming a god) also ploughed her
You're not very clever.
It says that your opinions are wrong and WOTC's are right. Cope and seethe b***h. You'll be dead soon and no one will remember you.
It's amazing to me that someone would think tabletop games and video games benefit from exactly the same type of characters and storytelling.
Since my friends know not to spill all their secrets like that, it won't be a problem. They'll do what the origin characters do on the select screen: a quick summary with none of the extra shit so we can play and see if the characters gel.
If all players come up with the same kind of idea about the game, you might just as well embrace it.
You know you're not forced to play along right? To me is preferably putting away the game directly rather than try to work with that expectation whiplash, i would propose some board game, vidya or straight going out as an alternative.
Actually you are forced to play along. You will drink the onions, you will get vaccinated, you will eat the bugs, and you will suck the dick. Enforcers are on their way to your residence.
Try making friends with people who are a little more compatible with you. My friends all have different tastes, but in general we're not completely separate.
I wouldn't be in that situation because CRPG are not PNP. What works and is done in a video game is not what works and is done in a real life game, which you would know if you played either.
>newhomosexualtry isn't a thing
People tend to reference the things that introduced them in the hobby, i still remember decades ago at my lgs, other than the nth Black person asking for the nth dritzz clone, 15-17 years old homosexuals asking to make minsc, cernd or some other character from bg 1 and 2 in ad&d 2e. Heck, these were the sane ones comparatively, i have seen some edgy teen wanting characters like raziel from legacy if kain.
Before this BGs had waned in popularity but you could still see Bloodlines influenced in new VtM players, also lel imagine if Bloodlines 2 was made by a very popular company like Larian and actually got released, with the threads also about it this place would turn into /vrpg2.0/
Larian is/was a niche AA studio. Their last game, DOS2, was popular but niche, and clearly limited in scope by presumably budget.
Bg3s success is for them unprecedented and really what "puts their name on the map"
They were niche before DOS2, you're underestimating how successful that game was
Maybe I am, but frankly I wouldn't put it up there with the "big name releases", it was very successful for a CRPG but it didn't really break "outside its market" from what I can tell.
Comparing it to BG3 is comparing morrowind to skyrim, or witcher 1/2 to witcher 3
>i have seen some edgy teen wanting characters like raziel from legacy if kain.
That teen sounds rad. Raziel fricking rules.
>A wizard from Waterdeep. He's so skilled that his ex-gf is the goddess of magic that he had lots of SEX with, he has netherese technology implanted in his body, and he's buddies with Elminster ^_^ oh and he's a pansexual ethical bawd / nympho btw wanna see a magic trick?
I wonder why you're forgetting the whole "and then he tried something he shouldn't have because he was super wienery and lost all his magic and friends and now has to eat shoes to avoid dying"
>who's lived hundreds of years in the shadow
That's literally every elf rogue you fricking moron, living for hundreds of years is a mundane fricking thing in DnD with countless fricking races living for hundreds of years
>but why are they still low level
Because dnd is fricking stupid and every old elf should be like level 20 but isn't because of balancing
You also got thr backstory wrong, he only got 1000 of the 7000 (roughly) given there's 7 vampire spawn and 7000 victims ritually bound to them.
>living for hundreds of years is a mundane fricking thing in DnD
D&D elves start around a century and barely reach 800 years of life without some deus ex machina reason to have them older fricking nogame.
>barely reach 800
In other words I'm entirely correct.
They 're decrepit at that point nogame
Yes you fricking moron, elves are "old" at 800. Meaning a 400~ year old elf is the equivalent of starting your human character at 40.
Still not "a thousandS years old" character like that mongoloid i replied to stated.
No one has stated that someone lives for thousands of years, learn to read.
Nta but aging parameters wildly changed through edutions, picrel is from 3e where a 350 years old elf was considered "venerable" (older than "old") and a rogue elf (to call back the original post example) couldn't start older than 134 years old by RAW.
>Because dnd is fricking stupid and every old elf should be like level 20 but isn't because of balancing
And I should be able to speak fluent German, but I haven't used the language in 15 years, and can now barely translate a written sentence.
If you aren't using your skills, you'll lose them, and elven brains don't work very differently from humans. And a dangerous professions where you level up have a tendency to cut your lifespan short. It doesn't matter how good you are if you find yourself outnumbered 10 to 1, at the wrong end of a Fireball.
Behind every level 20 elf, there's dozens or hundreds of of others who died to a lucky orc with a rusty axe.
>Alright, time to start our 5e
I turn 360 degrees and leave
>ethical bawd
Please, explain.
He's okay with non-monogamy. He's not mad if you frick other character and his relationship with mystra is still romantic even if he pursues other people sexually. But he also doesn't endorse "Cheating", i.e. he won't be in a relationship with you if you're monogamous with someone else.
I have no words.
Thanks for an explanation.
Huh, well I guess that's more ethical than being a normal bawd.
I declare tl;dr and move on
>Starting at lvl 1
>In modern DnD
Your mistake, homosexual. Ever since 3.X, starting at any level below 5 is just utterly redundant, and prior to that, starting at actual lvl 1 was also self-flagellating, making 2 the default
>b-but
But what? It's 2023. At this point the fact DnD is poorly designed is a common knowledge
And just so be clear:
Their backstories don't matter one fricking bit. They might all start as Johnny the human 18 yo farm boy, who wants to go on his first big adventure after a lifetime of tending cows, and starting lvl 1 would still be a clear sign of incompetent DM, because the game just doesn't fricking work.
If you so fricking insist on playing "le mundane starterpack" and are aghast about people having any sort of backstories, WFRP is a thing. Not only it doesn't have any problems with starting characters (in)competence, but also pretty much makes them all random nobodies by design, since backstory is an actual part of the game, rather than "whatever you write in the box".
You fricking newbie nevergame
This post should be paraded around every time some homosexual pops up and b***hes about no-games.
Its so blatantly obvious that you never played Tabletop that I feel secondhand embarassment just form reading it.
No, Character werent always like that.
No, "Mundane" is not bad. Its called BASIC FRICKING STORYTELLING. Its the Heroes'Journey, you go through adventures and you incorporate what happens to your character during your adventures.
The reason you dont see an issue with that your ignorant homosexual who has been so inundated with modern storytelling where everyone has to have a tragic backstory and be a unique special-snowflake that it doesn't even tickle your fricked up dopamine-receptors anymore.
You are like that homosexual who has to put a gallon of ketchup and 5 pounds of seasoning on your food because your tastebuds have been fricked for such a long time that you cannot even entertain the idea of eating a fresh meal without it.
>he said
>posting a comparison where both examples are fricking garbage, except one is a parody and the other isnt supposed to be
>Players shoehorning Baldur's Gate 3 origin characters into DM's game.
cringe
>DM running Baldur's gate 3 campaign so players can shoehorn their own characters instead
the real shit
Already got plans in the works with the players. Already 3 have chosen their characters: an ogre(as in Warhammer fantasy ogre) pirate, a goblin wizard, and a half orc monk.
Have you tried not playing D&D?
I think Wyll's and (sort of) Astarions are mostly fine. If I was DMing this and wanted to convert for table top, I'd dial Wylls story back to maybe like a young nobles son convinces a band of flaming fists to follow him to stop this threat, they're all nearly dead and so he makes a pact with Mizora whe she herself aids them in battle to turn the tide and even promises wyll gifts, but in exchange he must serve her. He makes the deal to save his comrades but is now the puppet of the demon. His rash decision cost the lives of the cities finest and now he's bound to a demon and can't be trusted forcing his father to exile him. Its mostly the same but it just changes the fight to be believable. Astarion's only sketchy part to me is that he is hundreds of years old, I've never been a fan of adventurers being THAT old but in the game he's not some particularly amazing assassin, he's just great at lying. Gales story can absolutely get fricked. Remove that he's an archmage and you can keep either one of he fricked mystra and broke her trust or is friends with elminster. I'd accept a player who read about a cool lore character and wants to know them, that gives me more opportunity to use that character if i want, but he has too many main character moment type events. I think my biggest issue though is honestly halsin and the returning bg1-2 companions, they're all incredibly experienced and are, by the time i get them, weaker than my party.
Is the joke that these are the actual in-game characters?
All of those backstories can be perfectly fun, interesting, and gel together in the right campaign. Just not with the morons at your table.
You forgot to mention that the netherese technology implanted is in effect an atomic dead-man switch. If he gets killed, the party has to rush to resurrect him in a couple of days or there's will be city-buster nuclear explosion. Also, it is a piece of Krarsus crown.
Its only a dead man's switch after mystra modified it.
So who among the roster will be the new Drizzt/ Minsc/ Legolas people will want to copy for the OC donut steal?
>DM can I play a Bhaalspawn?
Shadowheart 100%
>e-girls already cosplaying shadowheart
Sometimes being normie is a good thing.
I had a player doing something close to Astarion backstory was, and had an unseffurable personality
Also had a Githyanki who acted very close to Lae'zel, zealotry of Vlaakith, voicing style and c**tiness.
I'm expecting people who wants to do a Bhaalspawn
To be fair, Lae'zel's behavior is very typical for a githyanki.
Don't remind me. I really like Githyanki and always wanted to play one, but I assume now everyone's gonna be like "ooooh he's like Lae'zel from BG3! You're copying BG3, anon!"
> people will say I'm copying bg3
Oh noooo. That means you don't get to look cool and creative for picking a race outside the phb!
If I wanted to look cool and creative for picking a race outside the phb, I would've played this dude by now. I'm saving him for a game with a lot of wacky planehopping shenanigans like Spelljammer or Planescape, because playing a Gith in grounded fantasy Europe is moronic and pointless.
>Picking a monster race
>"creative"
Yes, if I was someone who believed that, I would've played a Githyanki in a regular fantasy campaign. That's what I just said.
>grounded fantasy Europe
This is the Warhammer 40k novel of TT settings. Just pure regurgitated slop following cliche world building. Why would you do something interesting
> If I wanted to look cool and creative
You've already put your worries about being accused of copying bg3 out there. It's too late to pretend like you don't want to look cool and creative.
lae'zel is played pretty straight for a gith'yanki
You won't get as much shit as the drow renegade good guy clones.
It is, and she evolves into a very good & interesting character later on
but what works in a vidya is not the same as in a ttrpg session,the player herself was unsufferable outside of just "roleplaying" the character, and having some uncooperative in a regular campaign is just painful
Why is Minsc alive? Isn't it like 125 years later?
He was petrified and stood in Baldurs Gate as a statue, till the spell was broken. Its explained in the DnD comic series
It's also explained in the game at multiple points.
What doesn't make sense is Jaheira living a mile from the minsc statue and doing nothing about it.
apparently no one knew the statue was the actual Minsk. People just took it as a monument to honor him.
Adjust my campaign according to account for their high-stakes backstories, perhaps by having them escape a nautiloid and run into mind flayers and red dragons and so on right from level 1.
In all fairness, I feel that Level 1 characters are basically nobody, and without any important backstories. Your backstory should only matter if you get to, like, Level 5 or whatever. Until then you're a literal red-shirt.
If you die before that, well, you were never important, you know?
Larian have done an amazing job of replicating the authentic 5e experience
>DM starting the campaign with zero setup or explanation for the players beforehand
As DM I tell the players before we even play or make characters
>I'm running a 5e campaign, everyone is starting at level one, and the premise is that you're raiding a goblin camp. Think about your bottom level character and why they're fricking around in a dumb goblin camp with each other
Then when we sit down, everyone has the same expectations
That's DMing 101
Because its a video game. It has a set narrative you, the player, get to interact with. Giving your companions larger then life backstories lets you interact with said backstories. It might come as a suprise, but dealing with a powerful vampire lord and Elminster is far more enjoyable then some grumpy farmer parents.
>there's nothing in between Elminster and some grumpy farmer parents.
Sure.
True, for instance the archduke of Baldur's Gate.
If it's just a videogame thing, how come Pathfinder videogame companions do just fine? They feel a lot more grounded and less contrived even while on a way higher higher level, leading crusader armies and hellknight legions.
>grounded
By what metric what does this even mean this is a buzzword on this board.
It means everyone is a moron in capable of travel, racism has to occur every five seconds or it’s fake, and for some reason despise having an entirely different set of weather, geography, physics, meta physics, culture, natural resources, and the presence of magic than earth said planet and world happened to develop exactly like three-five countries on earth.
Also you gotta take an IRL culture and just add elves to it.
You now have a grounded fantasy game /tg/ will jerk themselves raw over despite none of it making sense. tldr just historical fiction
>happened to develop exactly like three-five countries on earth
This is the worst part of “low fantasy” no one even bothers to try to do anything unique Nevermind the world building style itself is anathema to it
Are the pathfinder characters OCs? I thought they were from the setting.
you are correct, you can't play as them
in bg3 the core companions are origin characters, meanwhile you can pick up other, non origin companions that are more grounded
>Halsin, a humble archdruid of a small grove
>a brainwashed drow
>Jaheira and Minsc
I wouldn't call minthara particularly grounded in the sense that she was a noble scion of drow royalty that was eventually (forcibly) recruited and made a relatively high ranking commander for the bad guy forces. She's definitely not "low level character" material, but she has less overarching grand plotlines than the companions.
Somewhat relatedly on the topic of "traits PCs should or should not have", she is an excellent way of making an evil PC work in the party without any particular conflict.
Shes driven towards a common goal and doesent cause any particular conflict on her own, being mostly pragmatic and invested in the various characters in the party from both ideological and practical points of view (encouraging and wishing to assist their self development, both to have them self actualize in the way she believes they should and because they can grow to be more useful assets)
Kingmaker had fairly grounded characters, but Wrath had some that were over the top.
>Son of the Archduke is just talking a big game or their warlock patron fricked them over because they broke a deal
>Vampire is depowered by not drinking enough blood and being subjected to slow burn sunlight poisoning
>Literal schizophrenia and/or is actually a netherese magical construct with implanted memories
Done, they're all level 1.
>Son of the archduke of Baldur's Gate
Not inherently an issue. A problem child who's been sent into the world to learn his place and earn his right to succession is a great idea. One problem: I don't run shitty premade settings, so they'd have to change it to something in the setting primer or ask me about similar settlements.
>who saved the city from utter destruction but it's secret nobody knows just like batman and he's banished form home and became a powerful warlock bounty hunting in the nine hells
I say no, that's not something a level 1 character has done. That could be something they're aiming to do by adventuring but not something they've done.
>also does male ballet also he's black
Irrelevant beyond maybe a skill proficiency in Performance or something.
>Elf rogue twink powerbottom vampire spawn
First of all tell them twink is not an appropriate descriptor for my table nor is powerbottom, and that vampires aren't a player race option.
>who's lived hundreds of years
I mean they're an elf, that's just being in your 30s.
>in the shadow, seducing and bareback fricking 7,000 people for his abusive master
Not appropriate for the game I'm running. Try again.
>A wizard from Waterdeep.
Again, not running the homosexualry realms, find a different location from the primer or talk to me.
>He's so skilled that his ex-gf is the goddess of magic
Setting is monotheistic with a single goddess, who does not consort with mortals in such a manner. Also while they could certainly be a prodigy by taking... well, the Prodigy feat at 1st level (as I disallow Vuman and use a custom human + give everyone a 1st level feat with some restrictions) and taking expertise in Arcana, they are still 1st level.
>that he had lots of SEX with
Again, not appropriate.
>he has netherese technology implanted in his body
That's not even a thing, but if you want some sort of implants or body mods you can dip 3 levels in Artificer later and use my homebrew Bodysmith subclass.
>he's buddies with Elminster
Again, not the homosexualry Realms, so there is no Eliminster, but you could be the star pupil of an elite archmage of some renown who's been sent out into the world as a sort of final test. Again, level 1.
>he's a pansexual ethical bawd / nympho btw wanna see a magic trick?
I don't know what any of those words mean other than bawd and nympho but that is not an appropriate thing for the game.
TLDR I tell them what's wrong with their characters, make them read the primer and make characters that fit the setting and tone of the game, and if they refuse kick them and replace them because players are a dime a dozen and I can easily find better replacements, though why I'd be GMing for anyone not in my regular pool of players I can't tell you.
>three Farerun characters
>NO NO NO THIS IS NOT A FORGOTTEN REALMS CAMPAIGN
autism
I don't care what official setting they're from, I'm not using official settings and I refuse to on the principle they're all steaming soft-serve dogshit. I make my own settings, I make my own races, and I've even redone all the classes and subclasses. You're either using what's in the primer or you're fricking off and I'm replacing you with people who aren't morons with shit taste.
Sure, sure. Like all those DMs who are too good to use premade settings, I'm sure your setting is great. It's not just a magical realm of all your fetishes. Have fun with that.
stfu incel
>NOOOOOOOO HOW DARE A VIDEOGAME MAKE YOU REGAIN YOUR POWER NOOOOOOO
Fricking seriously? It’s not a tabletop campaign you stupid fricking morons why do we keep having this stupid fricking thread just make a baldurs gate 3 thread instead of this dumb shit. Why the frick does this board look like Twitter half the time
>Why the frick does this board look like Twitter half the time
Because it's been infested with twitter/misc/ incels since 2016 and 99% of the people who give a frick about traditional games either went to /qst/ or left Ganker entirely.
Find some adults to play with.
>What would you do as the DM in this situation?
Easy:
>I want to play X thing that don't fit the campaign.
>No.
You need to find players who play as dwarves, they know how to have brevity in a backstory.
This is gold. Thanks
>gold
Yeah, Reddit Gold.
I hoped I could ignore the "Origin" characters and make my own custom party, but you can only hire non-voiced pre-made characters, and even those hirelings are super speshul. Icewind Dale had the right idea and it was never, ever tried again in a mainstream rpg because Bioware romance homosexualry took over the industry like a tumor.
You can, withers can recruit all the blind custom dolls you want. But you are correct, people don't put energy into making characterless nobodies and instead try and make interesting companions.
Genuinely frick off. These "Custom characters" just meant blank pointless figures with no character, and if that's what you want you shouldn't be playing RPGs.
have a nice day moron. RPGs are for making numbers go up and nothing else.
The personalities I can imagine them having are better than what the writers can come up with.
>You can’t just make your own party in a D&D video game! You’ll miss out on the award winning Larian writing!
>my son, you must choose
>party of characters with story, personality and actual character
>or party of dolls you play dressup with better
>why dont RPGs just have non-people as my party in an RPG instead of characters, darn bioware
Bioware did not invent NPCs with personality and story.
>NPCs with personality and story.
Do I have to explain to you the difference between frosting on a cake and a cake entirely made of frosting?
Because thats what both the NPCs in BG3 and Modern Bioware games were.
Personality and story are not the "frosting" to the cake that is a character, they are the actual base of it. And then superficial and unimportant things like "but what do they look like/whats their alignment/whatever" go on top to add some potentially nice but ultimately not super important bonuses
Thank you for turning based, /tg/. If only Ganker was like that too..
>Archduke of baldurs gate
but.. the gate dosent have an archduke? They are ruled by the council of 4 right?
lore change?
oh hold on guys we have a new player joining us, tell us about your character
>player 4: My rancid blood whispers to me, kill! kill! and kill again! My ruined body yearns to reap death in this world and when this foul urge calls it possesses my WHOLE being! Injured, beyond repair I know nothing besides this. I must resist the dark urge, lest it consume my mind. I must discover who I was and what happened to me, before my twitching knife hand writes a tragedy in blood!
I want to create a character like this but replacing it with "good urge" where I would do the goodest of things for no reason like donating my entire earnings to a random kid if I fail a check.
>My rancid blood whispers to me: live, laugh, love
>My ruined body yearns to reap joy in this world, and when this righteous Urge calls, it possesses my whole being
>Injured beyond repair, I know nothing besides this: I must resist the Bright Urge, lest it consume my mind
>I must discover who I was and what happened to me... before my twitching handshake-hand writes a comedy in tears of joy.
is dark urge the "that guy" origin?
Yes, at least if you play along with it. It's literally a voice in your head telling you to murder hobo.
Every origin is the "that guy" origin.
Edgelords are always welcome at my table. Especially if they're overall friendly and agreeable but there are those random instances where they get set off. It's a favorite trope. I am very biased though because one of my favorite character I ever played was a Necromancer from Luskan who was the most diplomatic and open minded person in the party, but the moment he met anyone who could be described as "Nobility from Luskan" he went berserk.
The black lines that divide her into seventeen pieces.
Through the neck, back of the head, from the right eye to the lips, upper right arm, lower right arm, right ring finger, left elbow, left thumb, left middle finger, left breast, from the rib to the heart, from the stomach to the abdomen in two places, left groin, left thigh, left leg, left toe, all of them.
As I pass by her,
not even taking a second.
Truly, in an instant, entirely.
I "dismantle" her into seventeen pieces of meat.
There is the choking scent of blood.
The cuts are very clean, so her insides don't spill out.
Only the color of red goes across the ground.
Strange.
There is nothing in the room. Nothing but the girl's scattered limbs and me, standing there dumbfounded.
"---What---"
A sea of red blood is spreading over the floor.
In my hands, I grip my knife, the murder weapon.
"She's----dead."
Of course she is.
She wouldn't be human if she was alive.
"Wh----y?"
There's nothing to ask.
I just did it with my own hands.
With my own hands, cleanly and instantly, I cut apart this girl I don't even know.
"I----killed her?"
Yes, there's no mistaking it.
Or am I mistaken?
There's no reason for me to do such a thing.
That's why it's a mistake. It has to be a mistake.
But I had no reason from the start.
That's why it's a mistake. It has to be a mistake.
shit this is literally just tsukihime
welll...
I would probably just start zettai.
damn Larian really mindbroke the no fun allowed homosexuals who inhabit this board huh?
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE AN ACTUALLY COOL BACKSTORY THAT CONNECTS AND IS RELEVANT TO THE WORLD AND PLOT
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST USE PERSUASION TO GET ENEMIES TO KILL THEMSELVES
>NOOO YOU CAN'T JUST BUY MAGIC ITEMS FROM RANDOM VENDORS
>NOOO YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY USE KNOCK INSTEAD OF IMMEDIATELY HAVING A SMALL ARMY THROWN AT YOU
bg3 is what a campaign would look like when run amongst normal people instead of a few poor saps and their power tripping gay dm
Having an overwritten backstory where you're super special isn't "actually cool". What's "actually cool" are the actions that you do, not the story that you have pre-written.
YOU CAN'T JUST USE PERSUASION TO GET ENEMIES TO KILL THEMSELVES
Try to imagine an IRL situation where you could sweet talk some biker gang members into killing each other. You've never met them before, so have zero research done. The gang members have known each other for years, maybe even from birth. How exactly do you persuade one to kill the other?
>How exactly do you persuade one to kill the other?
by destroying them with facts and logic
but to give you a serious answer your example is disingenuous and you are a moron.
You do not just convince random creatures to kys, the people you can convince are typically unhinged abominations or easily manipulated cultists.
The sharrans in the house of healing are the best example of this. Their entire degenerate cult worships death, convincing them to turn on each other or kill themselves by throwing their own religion back at them is both fitting and logical
Wrong board
Please notice I said "have zero research" and not "you have all the time you want and infinite resources"?
nta but you're a moron, they already show you what they're doing and this could easily be solved by a history/religion check in this context since people actually go out of their basement unlike you
To be fair to Larian the only two opportunities I’ve seen of this are:
1) convincing a mentally unwell demon who is bound by a curse to stay in one place until everyone who hears his voice dies to shoot some faceless underlings and his pet cat
and
2) convincing an extremely mentally ill surgeon in a nightmare land to let his Silent Hill nurse attendants operate on him, killing him
Neither of these are getting in between a tight knit biker gang
Based correct opinion haver.
Getting gangs or other criminal conspiracies to turn on eachother is one of the chief tactics used by law enforcement to get convictions today. It's not hard to extend that logic to full on betrayal in a fantasy setting.
this the backstories in bg3 are what happens when the player and the dm actually collaborate to come up with a backstory
the
>you must he random schlub with no relevance#4591
is a crutch for dogshit DMs
Your criteria are the crutches you use to avoid thinking about the tone of specific campaigns. You're a dimwit.
If you want fricking "charm person" then write "charm person" on your character sheet and cast a fricking spell.
The only instances of "[Persuasion] have a nice day" I saw were in Act 2, and 3/5 of those were against completely insane shadow-cursed zombies. The other ones required you to impersonate a high-ranking member of a cult and swindle your victim into thinking they've been magically protected, and to convince a suicidal ghost to commit suicide respectively.
All the others are just convincing someone that you belong here or convincing disgruntled mercenaries that they'd be better off without their current boss.
Larian OCs are never fun. I remember just how bad the OCs in DoS2 were and they're just as bad now.
>the only way to have a cool backstory that connects and is relevant to the world and plot is to make it an overly grandiose Mary Sue power fantasy
Kek, whatever you say That Guy
>NOOO YOU CAN'T JUST BUY MAGIC ITEMS FROM RANDOM VENDORS
That is correct troony, there will be no shopping sessions in my game, you will find magic items in treasure hoards and in treasure hoards alone, and thry will be what I deem them to be, and you will use that HRT damaged brain to get the most out of what you get even if it wasn't your first choice and you will learn to love the magic items I bequeath upon you
Nope. The rulebook indicates how many magic items are for sale in a settlement of a given size and provides a method for rolling for them. Suck my dick lol
>rule book has shit rules in
Classic WOTC
nah buying items is good stay furious
Nah, buying items is gay, stop being gay
nah, not buying items is gay, stop being gay
troony Ganker brainrot cope, real chads find their magic items. Stop coping, quit seething, cease dilating
nah chads do what I do and virgins do what you do, gg ez no re
Incorrect, I am the primordial chad, you are the quintessential virgin
> I am the primordial chad,
Woah! Post body with timestamp so that I may bask in your magnificence!
You have never played a roleplaying game.
>What would you do as the DM in this situation?
Tell them to frick off with this shit and use the characters we rolled up last session.
>character background: cool but rude
>Player 1
Well if it's a secret clearly nobody noticed so their clearly not that powerful. Also clearly a goblin clan that stole something from a devil they owed, and the contract reset their power until sufficient revenge against the goblins occurs
>Player 2
The elf rogue is under a permanent unless dispelled geas to act like a vampire. They don't actually need blood and sunlight doesn't hurt them, but if they don't act like it the geas does.
>Player 3
Mystra is a bawd. Also a wizards skills are Arcana, History, Investigation, Nature, and Religion. So one of these was clearly why he got her attention (besides the bawd part). With her just humoring them about their assumption it was spellcasting.
I like the headcanon of Mystra being an easy lay that spreads her legs for anyone who picks up a spellbook
Read some of the novels that Greenwood actually wrote, and it's totally true.
Get up and leave.
This is unsalvageable and even interacting long enough to frick with them is just testing my own sanity.
>you MUST be a bland nobody of unassuming origin and background
>no fun allowed
Its you good thing you dont play games
>There's nothing in-between nukeman goddessfricker and jim the son of the shepherd
You sound like this
Your job as a GM is to weave your players moronation into something usable or boot them from the table. Anyone who disagrees with this is a shit.
frick you.
No frick you, working together with your friends in setting a game is one thing, jumping through hoops for reworking no effort inane shit is another and it's NOT your obligation doing the latter in any capacity. The gm has to enjoy himself as much as the players.
>or boot them from the table
please read
As a DM I don't see anything wrong with any of these.
Let them have their epic backstories and then let them job to a couple bandits.
schizo
I'm going by what you wrote and not by the game as I haven't played it...
> Player 1 No issue there, I don't know what he did to save the city, it could be an evil pact or something, the banishment might be to preserve the son... he does ballet? did he take a skill point in performance or he sucks at it? Don't care about the skin color... but yeah Looks like a noble background or something alike...
>Player 2 I'm surprised he's not playing a bard.. so what? They like to frick and have a vampiric master out there, NICE! You gave me one villain with the vampire and way to make problems for you all.. you fricked the daughter of a noble house and now her father wants revenge or something alike... You fricked the daughter of the tavernman and he is not going to allow you to stay there... You fricked a hag disguised as someone and something happen, so many possibilities...
>Player 3 Ok, interesting... Maybe the netherese technology made him have the delirious involving the goddess of magic and he believes that, maybe he was dating a cleric of that goddess at the same time? he's buddies with Elminster? hum.. it could be someone posing as him, eventually the real Elminster shows up and is like: who the frick are you? and then I have a quest as to find the guy posing as Elminster, what do they want? Do they know about the netherese tech? Is this their actual goal? Oh you are a pansexual ethical bawd? Have fun with the rogue...
If you can't work with that, I'm sorry for your players as your creativity is probably shoved up somewhere..
>If you can't work with that
You're not working with that; you're changing it and pretending you're not.
Yeah, it's probably better just to be honest and say no outright, or actually work it into your campaign.
2: Elf rogue twink powerbottom vampire spawn who's lived hundreds of years in the shadow, seducing and bareback fricking 7,000 people for his abusive master
>What would you do as the DM in this situation?
Assuming he's a cute twink irl as well pull him aside and ask if he's up for some sex after the game
Realize that the rules for what goes in tabletop RPG with real people compared to video game RPGs you play solo are different and stop being a sperglord.
The problem actually is, is that these games are at THEIR worst played solo. They're literally made for multiplayer when there is no DM or the DM doesn't feel like prepping anything.
I don't know a single soul who got BG3 or DOS2 for the solo experience which makes the cringey companions all the worse. Like Larian clearly wasn't collecting any statistics on their last game and that almost everyone was engaging with it as a multiplayer game first and a single player game second.
All these crpgs try to capture the TTRPG experience, but like keep focusing on a weird solo experience. You'd think they'd try and make something robust and multiplayer minded first.
Dude. Frick that opinion.
DOS1 was Multiplayer all the way. Played it with my buds. It was great.
DOS2 and so far what I've played of BG3? Having more real-people in your game cuts off character stories, some side quests (especially true in DOS2), and for both games limits more than helps your dialog options.
My exact experience too, I finished BG3 with 3 others of my usual crew and we couldn't complete a single companion storyline except Halsin's, while handling conversations in general was a complete clusterfrick that depended entirely on whoever triggers a quest flag first on accident. Basically anyone who isn't the face of the party was allowed to speak with anyone lest they accidentally triggered a chain of events
fantastic for lol so randum murderhoboing and stumbling upon another player's hilariously awkward sex scene at least
That's exactly my point. I don't know why the frick they did that.
People got this game to play with others, but it's dogshit from a story perspective. They put way too much emphasis on these dogshit companions that people do not want to engage with.
People want to play with their friends. It's really not complex. It's the ONLY reason DoS2 took off. If that game was another godawful single player crpg everyone no one would have bought it. This is also precisely why NWN got huge when it did btw.
Literally the majority of people got it to play with friends. Sure they have a solo campaign when they aren't playing with friends, but if you polled steam and asked 'would you have gotten this if it wasn't multiplayer?' You'd see the real popularity.
There's a reason that Pathfinder game didn't take off.
I think you are pretty much just autists. Out of three very distinct friend groups, only ONE guy got it to play solo. Everyone else, the physics nerds, my TTRPG group, and my homosexual friends ALL got it with the intention of playing it with at least one other friend.
It's like a huge selling point of the game
You guys literally don't know why these games are even popular and shows.
Samegayging doesn't make your dogshit opinion true. Most people play this solo, and want to engage with the story and characters. I don't want my friends hopping into my playthrough and making shit decisions that screw everything up. Maybe for a third playthrough, if I ever get that far.
Yeah, I'm sorry, you're an autist. That isn't how people engage with the game and that's not why it's popular. The characters and story aren't even good. It's the same cringey larian companions with their same cringey stories.
There's nothing to screw up. The experience is largely the same outside the companion quests.
Do you really think normies have magically become obsessed with the crpg genre? No, they have a c**ty RPG where they can play with friends and hop around the landscape and say frick you to stupid NPCs that the creators take far too seriously.
If it was an actual well written story, I'd give you a break, but it's not. It's literally d&d slop which is why they have to have multiplayer in order to make any money at all.
got this game to play with others
No they didnt. They play with others as a side thing to frick about with in game after already experiencing the game. No one buys larian for the multiplayer.
>You guys literally don't know why these games are even popular and shows.
Larians most popular games, the ones that took off and became really successful, are the ones with a heavier narrative focus which is disrupted by having a 2nd player there, something you b***h and moan about in this very fricking post.
The vast majority of people did not, do not and never will play these games multiplayer. It is a good selling point feature, gives the game replayability if you already beat the story and dont want to do it again, but it is not why these games are successful.
And appealing to your very real friends which im very sure definetly exist wont change that.
>Literally the majority of people got it to play with friends.
You are literally smoking crack if you think of the 5 million people that bought this buggy shit that the majority of them ONLY got it to play an even more buggier version of the multiplayer
Do you have a source other than the dancing fairies in the crack pipe? How the frick did you get here
DOS2 was good multiplayer but I wish it mentioned that custom characters would cut off important story stuff, or I would have just picked one of the origin characters.
>I don't know a single soul who got BG3 or DOS2 for the solo experience which makes the cringey companions all the worse
An alien typed this post what the frick
>I don't know a single soul who got BG3 or DOS2 for the solo experience
literally 99.9999% of people playing those games. The multiplayer is just there to frick about with after you already played the game properly.
Single player is the only way they can be role playing games, in multiplayer its just endless running around getting le loot and talking about unrelated shit on the mic. Basically the same as most 5e gays like to play tabletop.
Never played it myself but I think NWN multiplayer had dming in it
I'd play with people who are my friends and on the same page regarding the kinds of games we want to play, so this situation would never happen.
>What would you do as the DM in this situation?
Finally.
Some players that actually make interesting characters, AND didn't have to resort to off the wall races (Not that I have an issues with those... it's just nicer when people don't)
Ok. I can tell this group and campaign is actually going to go great.
.. Also. Wizard? You're just trying to make a knock-off Elminster right? It's ok, just tell me straight.
Also don't think this is going to end up like that new vidja game. We're going MUCH deeper into LOOOOOOOOOOOOORE!
Now that's how a DM should act.
Based DMs I'd be happy to play with
>Starting a 5e campaign below level 10
Cringe.
But I'd force them to play pre-made characters
What’s with the weird ass writer wish fulfillment in the BG3 cast
as a rule to prevent this type of scenario. if im running a level 1 or level 0 campaign. i limit character back story to one simple sentece, independant clause.
you cant have a 'philosophers' sentence.
with every new level you may , if you wish add an extra sentence to your backstory.
low level characters dont deserve backstory and it should-ideally- be emergent from the gameplay.
>player has being “haunted” as his background
>he mentioned it in game once
>at first it was funny now goes randomly back stabbing, lying and attacking people says being evil randomly is part of the roleplay.
>killed my pet spider that I tamed.
>says we can’t meta game cuz we don’t have the knowledge about “his past” and how “his haunting” works.
How do I convince DM to perform a lobotomy to pacify “evil spirits” in his mind? My character had a father who was a doctor/barber so I should know the procedure.
Read someone there a gland in middle of the brain that’s has a connection with like spirits/psychic shit. That’s good enough right?
Just get drunk and rape him, and claim they can't metagame because they don't know how your character reacts to hard liquor.
based
also make sure you describe how you put it in with no lube
These people need to be confronted IRL. Simply say "stop being a fricking idiot" at his face and watch everything crumble.
>it’s just a game bro I’m just playing
Another person tried so thought be fun to do something he can’t object to since it’s roleplaying.
I’m just gonna paralyze him, and attempt say it’s the only option since we know it’s an evil spirit and just trying to close the third eye/ portal/ cut the tether.
> I am going to be confrontational, and my opponent will crumble!
Oh, your kind and your overconfidence.
You just let him attack people without intervening?
Sex positivity good
Masturbatory and cheap, self-indulgent writing bad
Writing that you are above masturbatory self-indulgent writing is itself masturbatory self-indulgent writing. If you didn't already know you were moronic, now you do.
I am, in fact, above things that are objectively bad. Sorry you have no taste and no standards.
I'd be more mad as a player about the DM narrating a fricking cutscene for 15 minutes before the session.
A cutscene told from the narrator's pov no less, not even the characters'.
Who wrote this campaign, Matt Colville?
BG3 does not start at level 1 however. The fact you're encountering higher-CR things near the beginning should have clued you into that
What level does BG3 start at?
It starts at level one. You hit second level after exiting the tutorial area and fighting a couple Intellect Devourers. Then you go fight gobbos.
So why did you lie and say it doesn't start at level 1 when it starts at level 1?
I wish the game had allowed custom characters to sort of feel out a pre-defined list of backstory options. I'm playing druid and I appreciate the druid story option, but the game still refers to me usually as being from Baldurs gate, familiar with the city etc. It'd have been nice just to have a "what city if any do you hail from?" type thing. The weakest part of the game compared to table top is that my own character feels less like a living being and more a conduit to interact with the actually interesting characters.
>Haha AWESOME because these goblins love to RAPE
>Yep! So much RAPE that you're all going to enjoy this ER(A)P(E) session
>I'm glad you're all women irl otherwise it wouldn't be as fun for go lin RAPE
>Your overly complicated backstories will add a lot of social and political issues to the campaign
Larian's excuse is that the tadpoles fricked them up. Wyll even explicitly says that he used to have more powers before getting tadpole'd.
>Player 4: "Can I play Jester?"
>DM: "No"
>Player 4: "Can I play a devil?"
>DM: "No"
>Player 4: "Can I play a warforged?"
>DM: "No"
>Player 4: "Can I play all 3?"
Astarion is a legitimately good character though
honestly probably my biggest gripe with playing a warlock is that I just can't see a reason for someone to enter a contract with a fiend only to end up as a lvl 1 warlock.
Like sure it works for a character being fooled or desperate. But what are some interesting reasons for entering a demonic pact, where the recipient still comes across as reasonably smart.
I even considered just being a cultist but that just is a different blend of being fooled into it.
I ran a pirate game where one of my player's backstories was that his father made a pact with a kraken, that happened to include his firstborn as a successor. So the player started, well at level 5 because that's how far in the game were at the time, but theoretically could have started at level 1.
Part of the pact is that he gets sick when away from the sea for too long, so he was effectively forced to become a sailor with daddy issues.
that is interesting, but what I am really looking for is a reason one would willingly/knowingly enter a pact with the fiend without being coerced into it.
In the scenario you are describing it isn't your character that made the choice, the choice was made for him.
Most fiendish deals don't ask for your soul, at least not directly. They may ask for worship (which may not even damn you without other evil acts on your part... all you have to do is to pray to the devil in question once in a while, even that brings some extra power to the recipient, but as it's not as good as your soul, and you'll probably get less in return) or a service (which may be harmless or even seemingly good, like disrupting with the fiend's rival's plans, but also may serve as a basis for more regular exchange of services between the two... it may lead you to Hell anyway without you ever signing your soul away). Your first contract may be pretty minor, to serve as a gateway drug, to get you to make more deals, or get you in a situation where you do have to sign your soul away to save yourself.
How did so many normalgays infiltrate this hobby?
You'll be dead soon 🙂
Getting mad at "freakshit" and supposedly "mary sue" characters are the hallmarks of a normie
Keep seething while people are having fun.
enjoy being dead 🙂
By seeing something they might enjoy and trying it out. (scandalous!)
Because autistic screeching isn't sufficient to keep the gates anymore.
Will's backstory is easily handwaved when you recognise he's a huge hypeman - the guy refers to himself in the third person as "The Blade of Frontiers" aka he's a massive c**t.
The backstory is thus he and his massive rich boy ego got tricked by Mizora that 3 cultists outside of Baldurs gate were going to destroy the city and that only he could possibly stop them with a dash of her help.
And that 3 morons (Well like 26 but whatever) could summon TIAMAT.
If it was that easy to summon TIAMAT she'd have been summoned as often as fricking bhaalspawn appear.
"a reason one would willingly/knowingly enter a pact with the fiend without being coerced into it." and "also smart reason"
>The signer's soul is not part of the contract. Rather it could be the souls of the already damned (avoiding wyll's situation where rule lawyering got an innocent but literally heartless tiefling targeted).
>As part of the contract the signer's soul will upon inevitable damnation (I'm assuming a pact sign = your soul goes to hell when you die) will be appointed at a higher rank (skip lemure and go right to bone devil and whatnot).
Dovetail to this the signer is already screwed for their afterlife fate. So this is an upgrade. Might be their soul was already claimed/destined for a worse fate and so they are making a good deal of a bad circumstance.
Devils are always going to try and screw you over, so you just have to figure out a way that the signer was able to screw the devil over but still sign it. It's clearly possible and happens in storytelling aplenty. Mizora's desperation is a clear avenue you could take with a warlock contract. The devil needs the signer more than the signer needs the devil so the contract is written in a way that benefits the signer. Again, the trope obligates the devil wins - but there's also the trope of the devil being outwitted.
Not every fiend is just according to keikaku tzeeentch.
Also
>Something far more powerful than the devil has claim on the signer's soul first.
>Until contract is completed the soul is not exchanged.
IE forbidden donut.
very good, thank you
that is just being manipulated with extra steps
>that is just being manipulated with extra steps
Sure, that's the point. If a devil shows up and tells you to sell your soul, most people would tell him to frick off. But if he offers lesser (but still useful) reward for something seemingly benign, like helping to destroy a demon cult, a lot of people... even smart people... will think "Hey, that wasn't so bad, maybe I could make more deals in the future and get away with it too!" and then be very (but briefly) surprised when they wake up falling into Styx when they die.
Pazuzu was infamous for doing the same shit. The first one is a freebie if you're Good... so why not call again in the future?
I just want to pipe up to say this is actually a nod to Marshall Ulder Ravengard appearing all over Rise of Tiamat
Player 4: I want to play a Changeling who is a professional impersonator named Amon Gus
Yeah. And?
First, starting at level 1 is for morons, homosexuals, and players new to TTRPGs. Best level to start is level 3, though depending on the type of campaign you want to run, starting at level 5-8 can also be very interesting.
Second, if starting at level 1, I wouldn't even let the players come up with those backstories in the first place. I'd let them know from the get go that their PCs are completely new to adventuring, fresh out of their villages, towns, or wherever the frick they lived all their lives. Folk Hero background banned.
>First, starting at level 1 is for morons, homosexuals, and players new to TTRPGs.
Filtered.
>I'm playing a Baldurian noble
>I'm playing a Baldurian Magister
>I'm playing a Waterdeep scholar
>NO NO NO STOP MAKING DND CHARACTERS, I'M LOSING MY MIIIIIIIIIND
Why is /tg/ like this?
It's simple: start a lvl 20 campaign instead