>DM says game is open world
>“you can do what you want “
>make a character who hunts
>DM approves it
>DM’s quests lack rewards
>I want to hunt to get at least something
>DM says no because one other player doesn’t want to
>this player talks to npcs in town interminably about frick all
>ask to make new character, denied
>tell DM I’m not having fun
>he starts crying
>he’s my friend so I’m staying
What can I do to at least have some fun in this game? No pvp
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>no pvp
If you can't fight the other characters, it sounds like it's time to fight the other players.
Why can't you hunt while the other guy fricks around in town? Seems like your dm just wants to brownnose that other player
It’s his older sister. Yes.
Honestly, I would just try it next time again, If it's still a problem that you want to participate in the game I would voice my concerns that a gm can't focus on one player all the time and if that doesn't help I would leave that daycare type of situation. You aren't the tool to help him pander to his sister
>Playing with women
There's your problem. Favouritism every single time, and white knights will be along shortly to give me (you)s for pointing it out. You're welcome sirs, be sure to tell milady you defended her honour on the Internet so she'll (definitely not) have sex with you.
Its his sister you fricking idiot
And yet everything anon said remains true.
So? I don't see the problem.
Do you know where you are?
I don't even mean Ganker, by the way, just the internet in general.
The only people actually into b/s incest, either don't have a sibling, or are not attracted to their sibling. I have never met an exception to that rule. Its far more likely he just struggles with standing up to his sister
simping for women is not necessarily a sexual thing, its also about vestigial chivalry; women want to be equal but men are still taught that they need to protect them
Even worse. The favoritism directed to women compounded with the favoritism directed to family. Probably only a spouse would be worse.
So? What anon said is still true.
Nobody osaid anything about fricking incest, you projecting fricking cumbrain.
>Its his sister you fricking idiot
My high school gaming group passed my stepsister around like a cum rag and she loved every minute of it. That aside, she was a great and violent gamer.
why were you fricking your stepsister
>except me
Not into damaged goods.
She played one of the most vicious assassins ever seen at a table, and did it well.
This. Also that whole DM-starts-crying thing is fricked up.
How would the dynamics of that not mean either collapse of either thr grouo or the game in the way it was played before her?
>favouritism every single time
in a table I play DM's wife never gets targeted of monster attacks
>gf recently got booted from one of her tables, because she and the very disinterested gf of the DM didn't get along.
>She's been really bummed out about it.
>She now wants to play TTRPGs with me, she proposed us both being players.
I'm not sure if it would work. Exactly because of favoritism like the one torpedod the campaign she was booted from.
Are there any good one on one TTRPGs out there?
I've been playing Homebrew World with just one player. Works pretty well.
This right here. Playing with women. In 40+ years of gaming with hundreds of people, a tiny handful of wives and girlfriends made tolerable players, none added much.
Unfortunately, that's true in a lot of cases.
My dm is a girl
She's okay, but she does like her own pc's a lot
If you want to hunt then inquire about bigger and bigger game. If there are magical creatures then seek out big dangerous magical creatures or seek out people being plagued by monsters.
Go hunt a Bandersnatch.
This
Hunting as idle timewasting is the same as chatting inanely. Neither is of use, or has right of way, to the game.
If you make your hunting bouts something more akin to slaying a dragon or magical beastie plaguing a village, you've got something that deserves more attention from DM and Players.
If you want to be given preference, you need to earn it.
what is a bandersnatch? google searches only show some gay ass show, wiki too.
It’s an unpleasant beastie that shares a biome with the Jub-Jub bird
thanks, my curiosity is sated.
>I want to hunt to get at least something
>DM says no because one other player doesn’t want to
How does this even work?
>Player: "i walk towards the city's exit to look for a place to hunt"
>DM: "your character is unable to move in that direction"
Probably "nooooo you can't reeeeeee"
>but thou must
It's probably more like
>i move towards the gate
>the party has to stick together and x doesn't want to leave town yet, so just hang out and wait
If there was actually some fairness, leaving town for a hunt would end up in a nebulous queue of upcoming PC events, after which it happens and X would be prevented from going back to town for the same reason, but I suspect X can delay indefinitely and could probably push back to town early into it, given the favoritism.
>the party has to stick together
So if one character has to go to the outhouse they all have to go? It's entirely possible that there's an ambush waiting.
He steered it into another quest in the woods. But when I wanted to hunt there, he said, “we can’t split the party.” Then we went back to town and the other player started talking to merchants again for a half hour. I thought about just starting a fight with an NPC with the party being right there, but I’m afraid the DM will be really sad if I do that.
>I’m afraid the DM will be really sad if I do that.
Grow some fricking balls and just leave the game.
See
The alternative is to somehow teach this moron how to run a game, which sounds like a non-starter.
Or just suffer, I guess, we can't stop you.
Yeah and what the dm should have done is letting you go hunting, talking to the other PC while you do your tracking/trapping whatever rolls and give you both some questhint letting the grp meet in the tavern at night.
So...
I think that's the only cause of action that will solve this dilemma
Okay, but what should I have done?
DM needs to step the frick up and learn how to tie people's backstories together. The NPCs the other player is talking to should direct the party towards a hunting quest. This is why they wanted you, since you're the local expert hunter. And then things pick up from there.
The D&D Fanbase:
>Just refluff anything to make the thing you want, just say any class works any way because it's just fluff after all
Also the D&D fanbase:
>No, ToB is ANIME TRASH, it says it has to be magic ki powers right in the BOOK!
3e+ fans aren't D&D fans.
What about ruining the sister’s conversation with absurd questions?
>Having shitty friends
>Letting them emotionally manipulate you
Jesus. Don't let people control you. And don't sacrifice yourself for the sake of other people.
Listen bud. Just say
>I go out to hunt anyways
and see what happens
>YOU MUST GATHER YOUR PARTY BEFORE VENTURING FORTH
>What can I do to at least have some fun in this game?
Start hunting other players.
Quit b***hing and frick the DM's sister.
I’m staying in the game because I don’t want to ditch him while he’s going through a rough time. I just want suggestions about what I can do while I’m handcuffed to a barely interested party so that I can at least have some fun. What do you do when your games get boring?
>frick his sister
I don’t like her much.
>What do you do when your games get boring?
Leave.
Real answer: talk to your DM one on one and express your concerns openly and honestly. Chances are, the DM doesn't even realize he's doing something wrong. Don't ghost like a pussy ass b***h. Only leave if he refuses to change the way he's running the game.
>Don't ghost like a pussy ass b***h
The DM is a grown man who cries over D&D. It's either ghost or call him a fricking homosexual, then ghost.
You don't have to like someone to feed them your schnitzel, anon.
>I don’t like her much
Irrelevant.
>I don’t like her much.
Noone said to date her.
>i dont like her much
you will like her alot more when your weenier is iner
>I don’t like her much.
That's the best kind of sex.
>I’m staying in the game because I don’t want to ditch him while he’s going through a rough time. I just want suggestions about what I can do while I’m handcuffed to a barely interested party so that I can at least have some fun
for the love of god, don't ask here dude. nobody on /tg/ has an ounce of social expertise. nobody here is gonna have anything more to say than either "leave lol" or "give your DM an even harder time by giving him shit for being a bad DM". none of the grognards here are even going to be able to comprehend you wanting to support your friend like this, go ask reddit or something man
Consider not playing D&D.
This isn't a D&D issue, I could see the same happen in literally any system and setting. Well, maybe not cyberpunk ones.
Sit him down, explain that you really wanted to hunt with this character, thats why you made them. Ask that they give you a reason why you can't go hunting on your own when one other player doesnt want you do, when you dont want to hang around town listening to them talking to npc's. If he starts crying tell him to calm down and wait it out.
Your DM needs to just allow party splitting. Can make for a defacto democracy. Or a dead party. Either one is better than what you got now.
Take out your phone, turn up the keyboard volume and start fricking while ignoring the gaming session. Watch a stupid video and laugh quietly but noticeably. It's the GM's fault for ignoring you.
Figures that a furry doesn't have any backbone because "he wants everyone to have fun!". Your DM seems like a shitter if he denies you to make a new character that fits better with the game. You are all idiots.
>BAAAW
>ask to make new character, denied
>tell DM I’m not having fun
>he starts crying
why can't you make a new character? and why is he crying?
I wrote a history with the fey into my character background because he said it is big in his world. So he wrote my character into future events. He is really depressed and his meds aren’t doing it for him. We’ve been friends for a long time.
Thank you so much. I’ll try this. I don’t know what my mental block was. I was just so autistic at the table, could not see the big picture. Seriously, this was a big help, thanks for taking the time.
Intentionally fricking with the sisters fun isn't the answer, even if it seems that way because you don't like her and she's damaging yours indirectly. The better way to go is
>meds
You have chosen friends poorly
I'd ask the GM to craft a storyline where hunting is necessary to reach the party goals (big sis's goals included). I'd also ignore the shitposters, but you probably know that.
Talking to NPCs in town is an "everyone" activity. Take part. Hunting in the woods is a special spotlight activity for you, and has to be balanced with the other spotlight moments.
If you can't socialise in character, please delete your forebrain with a shotgun.
>Come on bleurgh the 4 charisma halforc with the speech impedement disadvantage talking is an everyone activity
Please delet your shotgun
Don't make characters that are moronic. Very simple.
Information gathering and talking is as much a special spotlight activity as hunting. The major work will fall on either the most reputable or most charismatic character with the highest skillpoints in diplomacy etc.
Has nothing to do with moronic characters.
>But he could have heeeelped
So could have everyone during the hunt for a bonus to his roll and a meal for the pc. Your assumption is just wrong.
>Information gathering and talking is as much a special spotlight activity as hunting.
No, absolutely not.
Dialogue with NPCs is a core activity for all meaningful kinds of RPGs. Without it, you might as well just play a boardgame. Admittedly, with a terrible game like D&D you might be gated off from certain specific tasks within that wheelhouse, but if you can't meaningfully engage with the social elements of the world you can't play that character.
You could easily dm that the PC getting an information hint from the merchant he sold the hide to. There are characters who don't have much incentive to talk to npc - there is a reason there's something like face characters. If you can only accomondate pc that are good in talking your dming style is just one dimensional and you are pandering to the high charisma chars or those who act like they have one. There are rules for how open npcs are to what charisma values like there are rules how good a chatacter is at hunting. In some cases NOT going to everyone and going "Jolly good day sir, might you answer me a question" IS playing a character because not every character would or can do that.
If you have made mechanical choices that keep you from interacting socially, I would ask you to change those choices or leave the table.
There's nothing wrong with being Aragorn at the prancing pony. He's there to watch and let others talk. A ranger traveling with more charismatic characters is wise to let them speak for him and only speaking when spoke to. A dwarf who doesn't like elves very much living in an elf town while the party hunts a local goblin shaman is wise to stfu before the elves get pissed at him being disrespectful. Not every aspect of a game appeals to every player. If they like the combat and adventure but don't enjoy fake socialising but sit and listen there's nothing wrong with that.
There is no end to such evils as women folk at the table. Sister, mother, girlfriend or lover and its all coming down like a house of cards. Someone's getting a crush and playing favourites or someone has a crush and getting b***hy when in game interactions get taken as real world interactions.
The only acceptable way to use women in tabletop gaming is as bar maids. Get the wench an outfit and suitable breast size. She can walk in while you're at the Inn, hand everyone a tankard of beer (no, bottles are not acceptable). And giggle every time one of them slaps her big round arse before leaving clutching the beer soaked tray to her chest. That's it, only acceptable use.
Don't jerk off to this you sick fricks. Dave the fat is still sitting next to you and Jeremy of the cheetos funk is trying to explain why the latest episode of one piece relates to his dwarf barbarian and he wants to copy the fight scene. No one wants to smell Jeremy while they pound the GMs sister with a d10 poking her in the arse.
>If they like the combat and adventure but don't enjoy fake socialising but sit and listen there's nothing wrong with that.
Hard disagree. That's exactly the kind of player I want to filter out.
I guess I wouldn't wait so long for you to ask for that if you require every PC be present for a npc conversation you do with a single pc while everyone else twiddles their thumbs.
OK, so there's a difference there.
Conversations shouldn't be one-on-one in that way unless it's a particular person's spotlight time for other reasons. And of course, rules aren't absolute. Every once in a while there's a scene that just doesn't grab. It's just when someone makes a character called Brick Muteface who fell off a conveyor belt at the paladin factory I can't be bothered to GM for them.
It isn't about socialising at all in no situation. It's about the 7 foot barbarian probably not having much to say to a group of aristrocrats. Sometimes it doesn't fit that a character goes around talking. That barbarian might want to go to the Fightclub under the shady tavern instead and can get there some story hints. Like the hunter might get some because he goes hunting. Because living far from town alone didn't make him good with others. If you have those chatacters + the ultra charismatic talker of the group in front of the same npc it's a spotlight activity for the Charisma guy and the other two mostly twiddle thumbs because they being IN character have nothing much to say.
>they being IN character have nothing much to say.
This should never be the case, and is an indication of an essential failing somewhere along the line.
The barbarian isn't curious about this other way of life? Doesn't want to flex on the aristos? Find out more about the mission the party is on? Sometimes, once in a while, you find yourself in a scene you don't care for, but if it happens more than once in three sessions something is seriously wrong.
I agree that if you split the party you should split it with good intentions, but generally everyone should (as players) be interested in the world and interacting with it especially when it comes to character and dialogue because those things are fundamentally interesting and worth spending time on.
No one is going to be totally engaged for several hours at a time. And four guys all speaking in thr same scene for no reason just pads out thr conversation. It's like going to the pub and everyone says what they want and one guy gets the round. Everyone going up and talking makes it more complex than it needs to be. Being able to sit back and let someone else have a solo spot light for a few minutes is refreshing for most and a morale boost for thr spotlighted player.
>four guys all speaking in thr same scene for no reason just pads out thr conversation.
No, that's the point of the game. I'd much rather have a character who took no part in combat and spoke in every conversation than the reverse.
>Being able to sit back and let someone else have a solo spot light for a few minutes is refreshing for most and a morale boost for thr spotlighted player.
Agree with that, tbf.
But in the OP they just finished the Quest. It wasn't any important meeting just the other PC wanting to chat Up merchants... If it's clear that it's story important all should be there. But here that isn't the case and you are basically saying if someone wants to just chat up some people everyone should be there because socialising is important. That's moronic - not every character needs to socialise randomly especially if going hunting could have led easily to the same....
I can see we're not going to agree.
Probably not. I still see no difference in chatting up npc merchants and going hunting - since going hunting will have led to chatting up a merchant npc - only giving the hunter a reason to do so
Hey, I'm not against splitting the party when there's an interesting split to make. However, I don't think people should be able to sit out social encounters as a blanket stance because "my character isn't a talky person" or worse because they don't enjoy it.
If I as a DM gave them no incentive to be interested in a social encounter - of course they can sit out. Could also say "I don't think people should be able to sit out hunting encounters as a blanket stance because "my character isn't a hunty person".
Both are encounters - both appeal to different players - both can be relevant to the story and both will put only one or two PCs into the spotlight.
For the last time: talking is everyone's job and core to the entire RPG experience. If you won't take part in it (in general) then you can't play. At least, not at any table I'm in charge of.
Hunting, even combat in general, is not as important.
No
>we're here to negotiate payment with lord soandso
>Yes, including this large smelly man. he wants to flex his muscles in soandso's face for a bit before we actually start talking. oh, and this little weirdo is going to go on a tangent about pelts. no, it's not negotiable, they have to be here.
If your characters are too autistic to speak to others, I'll retire them.
>having to bring an emotional support barbarian to every conversation so you can watch him flex in front of people
I have bad news about the autism levels of your PCs.
>No pvp
The default assumption should always be that "PvP" as an extension of a living universe is always on the table, but the expectation should similarly be that it not be engaged in frivolously.
The second "no PvP" is voiced as a rule, the GM signals its adherence to vidya logic and conventions, and the game universe collapses in terms of verisimilitude, as the ultimate and final corrective measure or potentially necessary conflict resolution, the most basic of things, is essentially denied by divine mandate.
Games that state "no PvP" are not worth playing.
>he
>starts crying
Why are you friends with a literal fricking homosexual, anon? Assuming the two of you are over 13, there are a limited subset of situations in which crying like a little b***h is acceptable, and "told game is boring" is not on that list.
Think long and hard about your life and reevaluate who you're willing to call friends, because holy shit, what the frick.
>Assuming the two of you are over 13, there are a limited subset of situations in which crying like a little b***h is acceptable,
Different anon, but if DM is under a frickton of home, life, social, or occupational stress, crying from his game being called boring could be warranted, straw and camel style.
We don't know it is, but it could be.
That would be for OP to tell us, but since OP is a gay, it's unlikely if he's kept awareness of DM's mental state.
Yeah, alright, fair enough, straw that broke the camel's back and all that, but that would imply that it would be atypical for the friend, in which case the correct response is "Jesus Christ, dude, are you fricking OK?", I guess.
You can just protest by not showing up anymore.
You've said your piece and stated you're ot having fun anymore.
Sometimes Action is required for immediate results.
I can see from your DM's point of view. I'm a DM, and it's fricking hard to compromise with players and the story, and maybe that's why he seems to favor his older sister.
But if you're not having fun, the DM isn't really doing their job, because at the end of the day DND is for everyone in your party.
Jesus, you can't go off and do your own things inbetween missions but can't because a single other person doesn't want to? The GM and you should just be passing notes. It's fine for the GM to focus on each person if they want to split up and do their own things, especially if the game was sold as being "open world".
I've run a dozen games without bounds and had players split or splinter off to do other things or even carry out separate missions. At most, I'd maybe give a warning about the dangers of being alone in the wilderness or how the streets of this city are not safe at night, but if the player is adamant I let them run off and just split my focus.
>Crying
kek just leave, he's a shitty friend if he can't understand he's wasting your time and then has a freak out about it
Bruh, if it's an open world game the party should be able to split
It’s a dumb meme that doesn’t belong in tabletop rpgs.
Play by mail rpgs would benefit though.
How old are you guys? You know you have to be 18+ to post here?
Cut'em some slack. DnD must live on with the next generation.
It's not like they're here posting "Black person this" or "israelite that"
hey it can’t be that bad. my friend DM tells ME how I kill things. Totally fricks up the flow. This guy is my friend too, so i’m basically just letting him play his own game with my character sheet
I've got a similar thing going on, I was hoping to to get feedback on.
>5 PCs
>GM very clearly favors 2
>Lets them take charge, offer direction and have all real impact
>Anything the other 3 of us try just gets ignored/put off
>Talked with one of the guys getting focused to make sure I'm not being a b***h and they agree
What should I do or say to the GM really?
If this is true, you're DM has to be some sort of massive homosexual to not just let you roll some dice and get some fluff/meat, hide, and bone while the rest of the party fricks off.
You havent played a ttg, have you? You think it works like WoW, dont you?
>Tell friend the truth
>it hurts him
>I stay to support his bad decision because I am a weakling who can't help my friend reshape a problem.
You are a bad friend. If you intend to help your friend stand by them but be stern that they are making a bad decision. They can be a bad DM. No one is perfect. They are allowed to have a mistake or too in their history and if they can't handle this being one then they should back off from heading games for a bit.
Look for things that you can hunt down so his big sister can then talk to. Playing with other people usually involves co-operation with other players so you can all achieve your goals.
>>“you can do what you want “
This is never the case though and should raise red flags.
Just start hitting on her aggressively outside of the game.
Either she capitulates and you start fricking your DMs sister, or she hates it so much she leaves the game (or tries to have you removed from the game).
You can't lose.
>>he starts crying
lol. Did he at least give a reason for not letting you make a new character?
just swap characters. lets be real, druids, and hunter types dont really jive well with city folk. the dm should absolutely have warned you that it was going to be a rp heavy city focused game and thats not cool of him. but you can make a new character anyway, and loose your old sheet.
just leave your sheet at home. he cant stop you. bring a new character. maybe a crossbow weilding merc who just got back from a weird job.
or a fetchers son who needs to make some coin to save the family business.
you have plenty of options that wont really mess with the party dynamic, and will fit right in and give you some in character ties to the city. remember to go with the party
you could always bring back your fey hunter when you leave town or go on the realivent quest. maybe let your dm know when its time to bust out each character
>he starts crying
Weakling
>What can I do to at least have some fun in this game?
Beat him senseless.
>huge pussy with a non-issue gets this many replies
Don't give the homosexual attention
>he starts crying
wtf
Do dnd players really?
> He starts crying.
Get better friends.
So let me get this straight.
You join an open world game.
You make a hunter.
That's your character's day job: hunter.
Then, when it comes time to sit down with the other players and go on adventures, you're like, "nope, I just want to work my regular 9 to 5."
Not hunt a legendary beast, not take a contract to bounty hunt a wanted criminal.
You just want to "hunt something."
Frick you, OP, you're no better than a player who makes a warrior PC but then spends the whole campaign trying to open and run a damn tavern.
>Talked to DM
Wow one od the most intelligent people on this board right here. Try one more time, if he refuses just leave or check out of the game and play on your phone/socialize
>can't even talk to his friends