Do people actually like Durance as a character? Always seemed to be pretty annoying.
Do people actually like Durance as a character? Always seemed to be pretty annoying.
Do people actually like Durance as a character? Always seemed to be pretty annoying.
I like him well enough. Though Eder is my personal favourite.
He’s interesting. They are no Pallegina though, she’s the best.
which one? she's pretty much a different character in PoE 2 (also a bit of a c**t)
She's the exact same, but more of a c**t.
She's fine as long as you side with VTC. I don't think I could bear her bullshit if I sided with a different faction.
I find it hysterical whenever he goes on some unhinged schizo rant about Magran.
same
i genuinely grinned every-time he called her a b***h
He was absolutely right, though. That b***h Magran, who was worshipped up and down the Dyrwood and had shrines all over Defiance Bay, was working with Woedica and was deeply involved in the Hollowborn crisis.
also holy frick i wish Vatnir was a companion and not a sidekick, he's so fricking great
All the sidekicks are great. Ydwin in particular.
I'm almost done with my first play through, I think my next is going to be mostly sidekicks and maybe a companion I didn't use (Takehu or Pella). Shame Vatnir is in a higher level DLC.. maybe if i crank the difficulty down for that section i can get him early
I'm pretty sure you can go there, grab him off that island, and then leave.
you have to kill the messenger before you can recruit Vatnir.
To get Vatnir early you can cheese the messenger by keeping your party out of combat sending a rogue in alone and hitting it with gouging strike and then waiting for it to die from the DoT. You can also do it with a Paladin's brand enemy because both abilities last until combat ends. Then you just have to clean up the mobs it summoned once it goes down.
Why does Ashley Johnson have such a beautiful voice?
Don't know, but I'm one of the few people that enjoyed her narration in PoE2 more than then one in PoE1.
lel codex was so assblasted by the voice one of the losers made a mod to remove it
Let me guess, because they replaced the "based" male narrator?
Yeah it was some schizo shit about women not being able to narrate
Why do CRPGs attract such angry, rage-filled people? Is it just a feeling that the genre has gone downhill? There's still plenty of autistic shit like Age of Decadence or Underrail for them to enjoy so why are they just angry 24/7. That shit literally affects your physical health (blood pressure).
>That shit literally affects your physical health (blood pressure).
I'm surprised half of them haven't gotten a stroke by know, what with them perpetually seething day in and day out.
I wish I still had that Codex screencap of a dude who said he had to take a break because he hated Bethesda so much that he had high blood pressure and his doctor had warned him about avoiding stressful (online) environments.
Fricking hilarious. Meanwhile Todd is probably worth $100m.
You know the exact same schizos larpers and false flaggers that are on Ganker post everywhere that doesn't immediately ban anyone that steps out of line right
Everyone that plays ttrpgs know about ‘That Guy’. The stinking unwashed neckbeard that doesn’t understand how to get along with the other players at the table. They all eventually get kicked from their groups and end up with crpgs as their only access to the hobby.
I personally don't want to hear Ellie's voice narrating the story.
I actually feel kinda dumb now because I never made that connection, even though voice was so familiar.
Seriously? She has a perfect voice for narration, very somber-toned, fits the tone of the game perfectly.
Mirke > Serafan
way better class combos and isn't a whiny c**t about slavery.
I liked them all except Konstanten. I did take him for Seeker Slayer Survivor but I just found him to be boring. I liked Fassina except Conjurer fricking blows she'd be better as any other mage subclass.
>One of the sidekicks sets up an entire world beyond Ondra's Mortar with a monotheistic religion and presumably an entirely different system of souls being handled
>We'll never get to see it
According to Sawyer, in the time after Deadfire Yezuha opens up to the west and trade is established. But yeah we'll never actually see it thanks to Deadfire flopping. Although he's said Yezuha will be in the TTG game
Ydwin fricking sucks. Mirke is best girl.
Mirke is shit. A literal drunk moron that slurps every single one of her words.
We were robbed Rekke-bros, where the frick is his DLC?
I'm honestly impressed the amount of dlc content this game had after bombing like crazy
meanwhile wrath sells over a million and all its dlc sucks fricking ass
Owlcat have no idea how to make good dlcs/expansions
True. It's unfortunate they didn't have full companion functionality cos I'd rather take Ydwin and Rekke than shitters like Aloth and Xoti
Is there any difference between companions and sidekicks aside from sidekicks not being hooked up to the reputation system and having less to say in story dialogue?
Sidekicks don't really have "loyalty quests" in this game, whereas companions do. (Serafen's old captain, Eder's son, Pallegina's psych eval, etc.)
That aside, some sidekicks are nearly as reactive as some companions, especially in DLC quests, so there really isn't much of a distinction between them.
Really? Companions talk A LOT while exploring. I have the "Everyone's Two Cents" mod which lets all 4 party members say something (instead of it being random) and there's a lot of dialogue everywhere.
ah, so it doesnt really matter so much i was expecting if i travelled with a sidekick or something itd take out of the game
When I first heard of sidekicks I thought they were similar to Diablo's hirelings, like a tier sitting inbetween the purely customizable adventurers and the companions who have set classes and backgrounds. I was partly right and pleasantly surprised but goddamn sometimes sidekicks feel like getting blueballed. How much cash does Obsidian really need to upgrade a sidekick to a companion?
Well, they needed a bit more for Ydwin, since he was originally going to be a full fledged companion. It's probably why she has more dialogue compared to some of the other sidekicks.
blame the full voice acting meme obsidian fell for that made the price of full comanions skyrocket
>full voice acting
People in managment are just dumb. Why go full voice acting for ranting zoomers whic are not even target audience of your game. I really think game development is doomed, at least in USA, Where managers will follow the lead of small but vocal groups to introduce into their games what is not needed, spending extra resources on it and eventually fail anyway.
>Implying zoomers care about voice acting
They skin the text and skip the voices
>Implying zoomers don't play crpgs
Where have you been the past decade
they weren't listening to a small minority, they were studying the success of D:OS and trying to get some of that for themselves.
If they want sucess of DOS they should make quirky coop TBS insted of Deadfire. Do they not understand what makes their games different?
Don't take it personally, I used the word zoomers as an unreasonable generalization. I don’t know what to call the people of the new wave of the gaming industry who are accustomed to metered content with a cinematic presentation and voice acting, for whom it’s too much to read few paragraphs of the text.
>Do they not understand what makes their games different?
obviously they did and that's why they didn't shoehorn coop into it, and instead went for improved graphics and voice acting. Their goal was to make Deadfire a more immediately exciting game than PoE1, and they largely succeeded at that, tho it had some other consequences.
>obviously they did and that's why they didn't shoehorn coop into it
They shoehorn turnbased into it though, which does not work good neither in Deadfire, nor in the Pathfinder games, because RTwP have different encounter design with more enemies and more actions per encounter than turnbased games.
it works fine, it's just longer, but everyone that wants turn based understands and expects that.
RTWP is a cheese mode for people that want to feel like big brain strategists for outmicroing a braindead AI instead of actually playing the fricking game. Action economy has literally nothing to do with it and D&D games have notoriously lenghty combat even in P&P form.
You are a fool if you think voice acting doesnt add anything, it can really make a character come alive.
not him but here's the thing about voice acting
I'm not a native english speaker and sometimes I like to play rpgs in my own language.
English voice acting for me is detrimental to my experience because OFC they're not gonna have voice acting in my language, and I'll have to turn the voices off to be able to fricking read the text without some english voice in my ear. But then I want voices during combat for immersion, so I have to turn them back on. It's awful. If something's written and you expect me to read it, adding voice acting is literally a bad thing to me.
You are literally moronic if you understand english but make a conscious choice to use the translated version instead. Translations will never be 100% true to the orginal.
you are literally moronic if you think the goal of a translation is to be "true" to the original
also probably a smelly weeb
You can voice key phrases of key characters, like it was in Baldurs Gate. For example companions have memorable voices but are voiced only partially, some sentences are voiced to set tha mood and and characterization, but when you get deeper into the dialogue, there is no voice acting.
In part, the FULL voice acting went in favor of Deadfire in some places, when communicating with secondary characters you are even glad that they do not have extensive dialogues. But you also feel how the voice acting has cut the dialogue of the main characters.
tbh these dialogs are really bad, and sarevok in ToB was a fricking mistake. He's not really the same character at all and sounds like a tryhard pretending to be him.
ToB was a mistake in itself. Most of it feels rushed and half-assed, and Sarevok returning never sat right with me.
tob is fine for what it is, a string of high level fights that stretch the system to its breaking point, as a send off to the infinity engine "genre" as a whole I'd say I'm happy it existed, even if it's not top shelf stuff it's a good self indulgence to have access to
IIRC, it Sawyer said that Deadfire wasn't initially made with full voice acting in mind, but was later change mid development, which took a huge toll on the team, as they had to work extra hours to record all of those lines, not just for companions and important characters, but for literally every single NPC.
I think full voice acting was beneficial overall to the game, but I can see why some might not be fans, and I honestly, wouldn't really mind if Sawyer made PoE3 with limited voice acting like PoE1.
>PoE 3
in ten years maybe, the brand is fricking dead atm
True, it's why I said if he makes PoE3
CRPGs are dead at the moment. Development in the west is too expensive to put production value at least at the level of Baldur's Gate, considering that audience for such games is almost non existent by today standarts. Most of the classic RPG revival from kickstarter was a almost scam, underdeveloped games with good first act and rushed half baked end. Poe was the most developed game of this wave, but even that was felt like budget game. People expected BG 2 from it, but it was on scale of BG 1 at best.
I think Allowed would be in Aedyr/Living Lands. From what we can speculate at least form little information in teaser. LL could (should from what we know about it fron lore) be really weird region with a lot of mechanisms related to the gods and Engwithans. There you can deploy something similar to the planar level in DnD. A lot of mysteries, oddities, mysticism and metaphysics.
>CRPGs are dead at the moment
please
Wrath made fricking bank, Rogue Trader has a ton of hype riding on it and so does BG3.
As long as you have a good brand, people want CRPGs. What's "dead", aka not as profitable, is new or small IPs like PoE, but that's an issue even P&P CRPGs have. That's why you have fundamentally bad games like 5E be big hits and PBTA projects pop up constantly, while more sensible / focused games that don't have a big name to push to their credit have stopped being produced.
>Wrath made fricking bank. BG3
Developers in Russia or even in Europe are much cheaper than in some California and generally in USA. For the same money cheaper developers can put much more production value in the game. Like Witcher 3 for example. If this game were made in California there would be half of it, or less. Because it was developed by crunchin poles for 500$.
And yes. Brand sells.
Combining all the above i have no expectation for Obsidian to do new Poe or Tyrrany or similar.
Obsidian is just fricking lost in their first person game phase atm because they somehow deluded themselves into thinking they can make those for some reason. The company will be dead before they make a new hit sadly, their management is just too bad.
I mean, they did make New Vegas, so it's not like they aren't capable of making first person RPGs. But it's probably more so because Pillars of Eternity 2 and Tyranny didn't make enough money, so they gave up on the idea of making smaller scale crpgs.
If Avowed and OW 2 would be mediocre they are defenetly dead.
I don't think CRPGs are dead, as there's still quite a few of them coming out in the future, like Rouge Trader, Baldur's Gate 3, Dark Envoy etc. The problem is that only a few really manage to break into the mainstream and achieve success.
>which took a huge toll on the team, as they had to work extra hours to record all of those lines
Wow the programmers had to record voice lines? Sounds like you have some real insight into the industry
Hey, I'm just saying what I've heard. I'm not expert at all. Don't shoot the messenger.
I’m sorry your mother didn’t love you enough anon.
his unending verbiage and that one noble coming back as an undead butthole to frick you up are literally the only things I remember of this game
They like him because he's edgy and different.
Which considering how bland pretty much every party member is nowadays in RPGs, makes him more enjoyable.
Is he the greatest schizo companion in RPGs or is there a companion more schizo?
Yes he is well written and a really interesting priest character. Unlike that moron xoti
BY GAUN HOW COULD YOU ANON :3
btw i had a nightmare and you were in it! o3o
do ya think we could take some time to harvest some souls? i need souls dont you know. i want to harvest some souls watcher. can we do it soon, watcher? ya promised me i could harvest souls soon watcher -_____-
“Insert fart fetish”
well now she's just tolerable again
Durance edits are the best edits.
I kinda wish they didn't make releasing the dragon have you skip the final boss of 2. Like I appreciate that it did something, but that's a bit extreme.
I think he's a solid character. I think he's more of a genuine person and doesn't wear a "mask" like most people do. I know most don't like his crude personality, but I would rather deal with a crude person than someone that is constantly playing games. He reminds me of some people I know in real life.
I think he's a decently well written character, but I also think he's obnoxious (which is partially deliberate I'm aware). Either way, I generally avoid using him because I usually play priest characters myself so he's redundant.
Is Priest really that bad in PoE2? I remembered having pretty decent success with it when I played, but I keep reading that it isn't that great.
Wtf priest is like a buffing debuff utility god. So great for getting accuracy up
Priest is one of the best/most useful.
I know internet tier lists are often just people saying what they think feels right more than anything grounded in numbers, but I just saw that a recurring theme was priest in most people's bottom tiers.
Buffs and debuffs are incredibly powerful in PoE2 and benefits your entire party. Plus they can heal.
What fricking moron would rank Priests low.
And in Poe 1 they are even better, strongest class in the game maybe (but honestly i have a lot of success with others like cipher, wizard and barb), late game spells are just broken. And i love it. Also Pries + Barb in Poe 1 just kills everything in seconds. Give Barb ridiculous stats with Priest spells than use that AOE swing. Everyone dies.
priests take so long to be able to do anything in deadfire tho, anything below PL 4 is actual trash and they're not reasonably contributing before PL6
granted their later PLs are extremely powerful but priests are very much late bloomers in PoE 2, and definitely not a reasonable multiclass consideration.
meanwhile wizards get chill fog and grease lvl 1 and it only gets better from there.
the game was made in mind that you wouldn't be REQUIRED to take a priest like 1 felt like, but they are still very useful. the party wide accuracy buffs alone make them very valuable
Yeah, there are plenty of both non-priest buffing/de-buffing as well as healing options, at least true for veteran with scaling. don't know how viable it is on potd
Unfortunately it means that if you're not a priest you have to drag Xoti around with you in your party, now even smaller than in POE1. My PC is a druid and I usually bring Pallegina so I'm not hurting for healing
I finished POE1 without Durance in the party for most of it. Did people find it difficult without a priest for the most part?
Which difficulty?
About half on normal and then turned it up to hard. I was a druid with Pallegina in that game too so I had healing when I needed it
From what I understand, paladins are better at healing than priests overall, even if priests bring the buffs and debuffs.
From my understanding in 1 the hardest difficulty (PoTD) basically requires a Priest. But not that anyone SHOULD play the hardest, it just shows how useful they are. But yeah you had healing covered anyway with Druid MC and Pallegina
All that said, Priests are great in 2. Shame the main one is Xoti
Or you could just make a custom priest, or grab Vatnir
The deranged serial killer chick companion is an abysmal priest, literally every other priest is god-tier.
So from what I can tell, dual pistols is only really useful on your opening attack right? Since you gotta reload them one at a time, they only really matter for letting you do two shots in a row at the start, then it's back to single shots?
Oh also if anyone is playing priest MC, I recommend Priest Subclasses Rebalanced
https://www.nexusmods.com/pillarsofeternity2/mods/476?tab=description
It changes the spells a bit to be more unique per deity, and adds Ondra, Hylea, Galawain and Abydon. though note if you take any of these additions you won't have any unique [Priest of *Insert God Here*] interactions, only nonspecific Priest interactions.
Still, pretty cool and I like the spell lists they provide. Way better than the generic snoozefest that is anything besides Berath and Magran
Oh shit I didn't realize people were finally doing proper modding. That's awesome. Long overdue
He was racist, sexist, industrialist, religious fanatic. The only character I liked in PoE alongside that dlc monk. I always had him in my team.
He's the boomer self-insert as perceived by gen z, getting a pass for his inane ramblings because "he's a random old cooky madman". It's a bread and butter trope that works well with a lot of characters because the only insanity about it is how zoomies perceive the generations before them along with their own present and future, or rather lack of any. Nothing in any of the rants or ramblings they hear about from these characters compares to how fricked their generation is, they take solace and humor in it to tell themselves "I'm glad things aren't this bad, I could be this old crazy bastard" while completely ignoring the insanity of their own abnormal existence.
Pillars of Eternity was almost 10 years ago brainlet.
This was the defining fantasy RPG for many impressionable teenagers and young adults in 2015(7 years ago). Replace "gen z" with "younger generation" then moron. The point is still the same.
Delusional boomer. I hope selling the country's future down the river was worth it for material short term gain.
yes goy blame older generations instead of looking in the mirror or working for a better future yourself
its society, the government, your family, your peers, your community's etc fault that your gen is a frickup
Is durance an incel?
He fricked and raped a lot. By definition he can't be one.
No, he's a literal boomer.
Durance and Eder were the only things that were rememberable,PoE in general is so boring,dull and lifeless it's insulting
Wrong. High IQ people like Pallegina.
lmao
Josh your waifu is shit
Look, I know Sawyer lives rent free in your head, but c'mon now.
Based
Digits confirm
Loved her in PoE1, hated her character assassination in PoE2
I understand this is extremely subjective. But it really is perplexing to me why would anyone consider PoE boring or dull
can you elaborate? is it story/setting or gameplay?
can you give an example of a crpg that you find to be on the other side of the spectrum to PoE for you?
I don't get it either. I think it's just that it's text heavy and also an unfamiliar setting, which means you actually have to read.
It is unnecessarily verbose. Low effort verisimilitude of setting and plot in general. From a linguistical standpoint it's extremely weak. E.g. Fampyr instead of Vampire, proceeded by long and verbose explanations that could be summarized more succintly and in a more interesting manner. Each playthrough I have I skip absolutely every single paragraph instead of the few plot centric ones.
>proceeded
Yeah, you're illiterate.
I somewhat liked PoE, but come on both the setting and gameplay were terribly boring and shallow. I don't even want to discuss the latter, suffice to say devs themselves found it so tedious they gave you tools to automate it. As for the former, it sounds cool on paper, but then you get standard, brown, dull dnd-like setting, except this time they have flintlocks and are not-Americans, who oppress poor, good, magical natives. And they border not-Italians to the south. Wow, so original. Calm down, Sawyer or you're gonna get tired before mashing the keyboard at random to provide names for standard fantasy creatures.
>It is unnecessarily verbose
Only when compared to the caveman speak of the modern alternatives.
>It is unnecessarily verbose
Perhaps it is compared to it's modern contemporaries, but a lot of old RPGs were fairly text heavy as well. Feels like most people have just grown accustomed to RPGs Wasteland, Divinity, or the Expeditions games. Then again, I've also seen people bafflingly call Original Sin 2 a text heavy game, so maybe people have become allergic to seeing more than 2 sentences, even when the entire thing is narrated.
>except this time they have flintlocks and are not-Americans, who oppress poor, good
The first PoE didn't really portray the natives as oppressed though. They had their own nation separate from the non-Americans of the Dyrwood.
>Wow, so original
Yeah, it's not original, but what is these days? I prefer good execution over poor attempts at standing out.
I can see your points, but perhaps you forgot what board you are on.
My request for examples of crpgs you would contrast PoE to is not accidental. If you expect an original setting, text with playful linguistics, a never before seen plot [lol like that's going to happen]...
why the hell would you turn your eyes to video-games?
is where you should go, otherwise your expectations are just unrealistic to the point of outing you as a complete moron
also cut it with unnecessarily pedantic vocabulary, do you really need to tryhard as a pseud this much on Ganker? or are not a native speaker and just searching the dictionary without any understanding of what words are actually used these days? beg my pardon in the later case
ok, I can see rtwp crpgs are not your thing. understanble have a nice day
>unnecessarily pedantic vocabulary
>from a poegay
lol lmao even
idk mate I'm not very smart myself but even I'd expect more effort than 'fampyr' lmao
what's wrong with 'fampyr'? really? This is the third time in a couple of weeks I see this as an example of what PoE is "bad" at on this board, and never before have I encountered this complaint
I can't wrap my head around why is it supposed to be bad?
It sounds cool, it is recognizable and telegraphs what kind of enemy to expect without using the same exact word other >9000 settigns use, I like it
If you cant tell why it's a lazy hackjob to just change 1 letter and call it a day im not sure what else can be done for you.
so... no argument other than you really wanted something to be upset about. cool, just as I thought
I gave you an argument. It's a change of two syllables for no apparent reason but laziness. Go learn how lingusitics or take a basic writing class you complete animal or enjoy eating your overdrawn lore dumps with a secondary school level of imagination and effort.
The language is based on Welsh. F is pronounced like a V.
It's also Irish. The correct form for this change would have been Faempeir. moronic subhumans don't bring english into this when you don't understand what you're talking about.
To be honest I think they were kinda damned if they do damned if they don't with the name fampyr or vampire. On one hand it's too similar to vampire so it comes off like a cheap "oc donut steel" kind of thing on the other if they named them gooblydooos or some other name it would be just as bad and people would be confused.
While I was one of the people who found the game boring I enjoyed a few things about it and wanted alot more of it. The flavor of undead they created in PoE was one of the things I liked and found interesting. They kind of reminded me of the zombie/vampires from the movie life-force.
Fampyr doesn't sound cool. It's lazy, unimaginative and stupid, just like the audience for this game.
u mad. lmao
Public service announcement: This is probably the submarine anon who had meltdowns on the two previous PoE threads. He's a legit brainlet. I know that it's normal to call other people here "morons," but this guy is literally moronic. He's stupid the way your dog is stupid, and he gets unreasonably mad and worked up over the smallest flaws in PoE. At the same time, he's a Pathfinder fan. Just lol.
I have never played Pathfinder and I don't have enough time on my hands to be a "regular" here you imbecile. Go take a class in literally anything instead of blind CONSOOM giant lore dump. Develop critical thinking and a brain instead.
I don't know, anon. Your posting style is identical to his.
> H-how could they call it "fampyr"?!
> This game is fricking ruined now and everybody who plays it is moronic!!!
Touch grass, homie.
I don't give a shit about your schizo shitposting you stupid animal. I came into *THIS* PoE(Piece of excrement) thread to say that this "Glanfathan" language or whatever it's called was a complete laughing stock to read back then and it still is today. I wouldn't have said anything if there wasn't so much praise for it's writing over and over in this thread when they can't even get two syllables right nevermind a proper paragraph. Lazy, unimaginative and completely stupid. There's your argument you stupid animal, now go take a class in linguistics, learn something.
that's a bit harsh, josh is a dev first and only an amateur linguist/historian etc second
> go take a class in linguistics, learn something.
lol. still mad, huh?
PoE is gonna give you a heart attack.
Imagine sputtering "F-f-fampyyrrr" as the darkness takes you. Imagine being this pleb.
>I don't have enough time on my hands to be a "regular" here you imbecile
sounds like a lie considering it is claimed by someone who has time to be hate-posting about a single word in a video-game :^)
bro relax, this is a video-game, not a scientific paper, and no I'm not going to study linguistics just as like what... 99% of anyone with a higher education
I have a PhD in physics yet you don't see me bumping critique on The Three Body Problem on Ganker
If anything it's my education that I have different level of expectations from different forms of media
Your linguistic jerk-off is pretty low on the list of priorities when making a video game. If you don't understand this, well sucks to be a smoothbrain, what can I say
>PhD in physics
hahahahahah oh wow. is this what beet aspiration sounds like now??
>Fampyr doesn't sound cool.
You sound like a 12 year old
>This thing doesn't sound cool!
It's just that it's hard to find legitimate complaints with this game, so it's always petty shit like this or the famous >gay fish.
I just offered you legitimate complaints the entire thread you stupid animal. Are you incapable of understading the word "prose"? Or do I really have to install this garbage and point out every single paragraph where neither character has a coherent sentence structure to their exposition? Or where they use random string of words put together to denote things like "hard-edged voice" in the dialogue and then show you classic english novel structure with direct comparisons? If I ever do something like that I'm emailing both the autist Sawyer and his underlings with it not to mention every single news article I can find with it.
Like I've said I don't have time to be a "regular" on this board and I have work in the morning. This thread is simply unbelievable with this amount of delusion and uncultured degradation. Complete blind consumerism, learn to take criticism, literal subhumans.
The story and its characters mostly,i can't even remember the main antagonist at all he was that boring,the story feels kinda flat and i really couldn't care for it(oh wow gods are fake),kingmaker is worse in every regard but in that game i wanted my kingdom to survive and give that green b***h and that gay fireball the middle finger unlike PoE which i couldn't give a damn
>settings
For all it's fault i liked that it had guns that sole thing is what makes PoE stand out a bit
>example of a crpg that you find to be on the other side of the spectrum to PoE for you
Tyranny,kingmaker,Planescape torment,Arcanum etc
understanble, peace bro!
Not that anon but I found PoE incredibly boring as well. I can't tell you why really, stuff just never really clicked for me. Most the characters felt bland and I opted for mercs instead of the main cast. Durance was the exception, the VA sold me on him when he first spoke. The story was also very miss for me. I don't know how a story about souls being sucked out of people could be boring but it was for me. About the only time I was invested in the game was when you get your keep and it gets attacked by some homosexual. I thought that was neat. Also the giant dungeon below your keep was pretty cool, I wanted more of that.
It could be possible I just wasn't in the mood for it and never gave the game a chance.
I've been replaying the first one recently and honestly I'd say most of it is just the gameplay. In comparison to Deadfire, the first game is really basic in terms of gameplay, it doesn't really have the hook that Deadfire has with a lot of Classes.
Also, the fact that it's not fully voiced filters a lot of zoomers.
to be perfectly honest replaying both made me appreciate what 1 does much better than 2 gameplay wise. Everything in 2 is a fricking undying sack of meatballs that takes hours to die.
Not to seem adversarial, but if that's what you experienced then you're clearly not understanding how important Penetration, Power Level and Accuracy are. If your Penetration is lower than your opponents Armor then you take like a 90% penalty to your damage. Deadfire enemies typically don't have a lot of HP aside from things like Slimes.
bro idk what to tell you maybe you don't play on potd upscale but enemies with 14 AR and 300 HP aren't rare at all.
I do, and 14 AR and 300 HP is simply not all that much, basic melee attacks from a Rogue character are like 18 penetration and 140+ damage each by around level 15.
i didn't have the same experience on veteran w/ scaling
and if you are referring to potd, well... what did you expect it is supposed to be the ultimate challenge. perhaps you need to rework your builds because they don't provide as much accuarcy/penetration/dmg
I think it's overwritten but also extremely dull and clinical. The events within are not interesting or emotionally resonating and the factions are just reskinned real life historical nations but without a iota of what makes real history interesting, or the achievements that makes those nations impressive.
>It's venetians but they're black. What do they do? Oh they just bicker and colonize or something.
While real life venetians humbled two great empires and dominated the commerce on a giant sea while being just a city in a swamp.
I get the feeling that the writers of PoE would think that's too improbable to write about, and it shows.
>can you give an example of a crpg that you find to be on the other side of the spectrum to PoE for you?
Contemporary to PoE, I loved Wasteland 2 and DivOS. Even if Wasteland 2 was unfinished, I loved that it didn't try to ape Fallout and that it had its' own unique flavor. The writing really made me feel like a military task force trying to keep order in the Wasteland. It had humor, even if some of it was crude, compared with PoE 1, which had no levity whatsoever. Not that a work should be criticized for not having humor, but PoE was all serious all the time but also too broad and impersonal to care.
Divinity Original Sin 1 meanwhile has almost no world-building compared to PoE and it's a much more humorous game, bordering on being a farce. But the writing and characters have a lot of warmth and personality, even if it's cheeky. DivOS also has Jahan, who is a cynical complainer like Durance, but more ridiculous and a lot funnier.
cont.
In the end, Obsidian made two games worse than the janky rpgs they used to be known for. And they can't even blame publishers for it.
>compared with PoE 1, which had no levity whatsoever
I don't really agree with this. PoE1 wasn't as humorous as a lot of it's modern contemporaries, but it's not completely devoid of any levity. Most of the interactions between companions like Hiravias, Eder, Zauha, and Aloth are fairly light-hearted, and not everything in it's world is presented in a grim manner, especially in Deadfire, which just amps up the comedy. And If I have to be completely honest, having played a lot RPGs from the revival era, I got tired of the typical "self-aware" humor present in a lot of them. Divinity Original Sin 1 & 2 are some of the biggest culprits of this, so much so that It gets annoying. I mean, how do you ever expect me to take the story, world, or characters seriously, when the writers clearly don't. And worst part is that those games do feature some heavy subject matter, things like slavery and genocide, but it just shrugs them off so fast for the next quirky scene between the companions. Wasteland 3 is another example. It has the ridiculousness of its spiritual successor Fallout, but it never manages to balance it out like New Vegas for example, opting to be a comedy routine, while trying to also make a story where everyone is morally grey, and the situation is quite dire for the population of Colorado, and by extension of Arizona, as entire point of your mission is no joke, even if the story itself is. I get that when a setting lacks any humor it can become dry and boring, but when it has to much of it, it becomes hard to take seriously. The wacky ends up becoming mundane, and as a result gets old very fast.
Before its' time, I'd say Betrayal at Krondor, NWN2 and MotB, Morrowind and Darklands.
BaK has one of the best fantasy stories in any video game, and Darklands is the rpg that Sawyer keeps saying he wants to make. Both of them are mature and immersive, unlike PoE, which tried to be mature but couldn't quite make it. Morrowind is the philosophical opposite of PoE. Its' setting and world are almost completely alien and its' story is very personal but also the way you approach it is somewhat open-ended. The land's history is intricately and intrinsically tied to the story and to you, while PoE dumps a lot of lore on you and only makes a part of it matter to the story in an awkward way.
And finally, I bring up NWN 2 because it's a game that Obsidian also made, and that I personally believe they used as a blueprint for PoE, rather than Baldur's Gate or Planescape, like they said. NWN 2 and MotB tell their stories using the trove of background material Forgotten Realms has. The OC is a parody of a stereotypical D&D adventure, while also taking itself seriously enough to make you care about what happens. MotB is a great epic level D&D module that uses Forgotten Realms' most divisive feature, the Wall of the Faithless, and explores it's concept while telling a love story that spans different planes and dimensions.
I think it's the most poignant comparison for several reasons. First of all, Obsidian didn't use those games to market PoE, but I'm convinced they used them as a baseline since it borrows more than a few concepts. Second, they said that they wouldn't make just another stereotypical dnd setting, but the setting they made ended up being more lifeless and boring than the official setting they used for their previous games. Third, they have experience being humorous and emotional and know how to bring life to a story, but failed with PoE. And finally, they revisited the Curse concept from MotB, but made it much worse.
it's funny how tastes can differ,
I simply couldn't bare both wasteland 2 or DoS past the very starting sections
Morrowind setting is great, I agree
however this line made me laugh
> the setting they made ended up being more lifeless and boring than the official setting they used for their previous games
thanks for elaborate post
>cloaca
The concept of a crazy scientist that blew up half of his soul with a divine atom bomb is pretty cool, unfortunately his quest is pretty meh in practice.
I like Durance because he reminds me to that deranged Twitch moderator who killed a streaming prostitute by almost beheading her. A very based individual.
>that deranged Twitch moderator who killed a streaming prostitute by almost beheading her.
Who? And what's the story behind this?
If I had a top ten companions list he'd be in the upper five, love this c**t.
Eder>Durance>Kana/GMom>the others
>can't buy reasonable stocks of potions from merchants
>"oh surely this is for that craft mechanic they have going on and they expect me to buy ingredients"
>can't buy reasonable stocks of ingredients either
frick you what do you want from me
to install the mod that has vendors carry more crafting ingredients.
might as well console them into my inventory at that point
Shit game.
People who like POE are the type of people who did.
I bought the complete edition of PoE1 for $10 on ps4 when it was on sale without bothering to check if it had m&k support (it doesn't.) Is it even worth playing or should I just cut my losses and rebuy the thing on steam at some point?
Depends. Do you enjoy clearing trash mobs for NO EXP over and over and over? How about large lore infodumps and a compelling villain that gets completely fricked over by the terrible shallow plot?
Mobs give no exp? Is that just a bug on the ps4 version or an actual design choice?
Design choice. My point was it's already annoying on the m&k to kite enemies before they see you so you don't aggro them, imagine this with a controller. Same with the dialogue page, scrolling through all of that shit.
Welp, guess I fricked up. Sure glad Sony refuses to give refunds.
Mobs do give exp, until you've completed the bestiary entries for them, at which point they no longer do.
Get in on PC. The game probably wasn't made with console in mind. M&K is usually ideal of CRPGs.
>tfw got tricked by the jap israelites again
What's even the point of having your console support m&k if there's only like 2 relevant games on the system that use it?
>What's even the point of having your console support m&k if there's only like 2 relevant games on the system that use it?
One of the many reasons why I don't want to play on console. And this isn't some "PC master race thing" either.
I bought it because it was $10 and I knew ps4 had m&k support. I figured "surely a crpg on the system will." Fricking nope. It's my fault for just assuming but how the actual frick..
It actually doesn't play that bad on console. Once you get use to the controls, it's suprisingly intuitive. The main problems are the bugs (ie companions getting stuck in place during a fight, softlocking the game until you reload a save), long load times, and performance in some cases (like multiple summons freezing the screen for a second with they spawn in.) This is probably because I played it on a base xbox one, however, so I can imagine it performs better on better hardware.
I quite enjoyed POE1 but when I played Deadfire, despite really liking the setting and writing, I checked out pretty early. Not sure why. Might give it another go one of these days.
Did you play deadfire a little after beating poe 1 by any chance? I found that playing both back to back gets tiring to play.
Yeah, that’s exactly what I did. I think I need to wait a couple months before I play Deadfire. Shame I’ve spoiled the first third of the game for myself but oh well
Anyway Deadfire isnt about main story and more about roaming the world doing side stories and faction quests.
True, and that's the part of RPGs I prefer, I think I was just a little tired of the style and gameplay. I'd only revealed like 1/5th of the world map so still plenty to explore when I do so.
Poe is tiresome (Same goes for BG, i can barely play BG 2 after BG 1 run). You just need a brake.
After playing CRPG`s, or TBS i usually take a break and play some action game.
This is one reason why BG1 and BG2 on the same engine is a terrible idea. It's just too much of the exact same thing.
add to that the fact that lategame bg1 equipment trivializes the first half of bg2
Dumpsterfire is boring cringe garbage with awful voice acting and characters where nothing matters so it's not surprising.
what's the issue wiith that screenshot
Nta but how can a laugh be hard edged?
>A hard-edged laugh that barely sounds like his own?
How could it when laughter had no edges? Read this out loud. Say this to somebody outside. This is POE writing, meaningless strings of words sewn together from the mind of an American abomination, quite fitting.
If you just read it without over-analyzing it sounds fine
I don't think that you need to "turn off your brain" to enjoy something. It's not alcohol, it's a roleplaying videogame that requires basic levels of reading comprehension from it's players and it should be treated as such. Besides, you've asked the question and I've answered because... I also don't see anything else wrong with that image either. Instead what I see is the same typical prose present in all obsidian games where they add unnecessarily verbose and pointless rhetoric to explain something extremely simple. They could've just written "his voice sounded unrecognizably rough for a brief moment." or something entirely pragmatic and to the point. Adding random nouns and adjectives to your prose doesn't add charm simple because this is a fantasy setting.
Then maybe he should just pick one vocation and focus on that entirely instead.
do you seriously not know what hard-edged means ?
you should probably not adverise yourself as a brainlet this confidently
2 reputation triggers are being set off in the same conversation so the game is treating the character as a psychotic merciless bleeding heart saint simultaneously in a single conversation, showing the true strength of the game's disposition system
those things are not mutually exclusive
I'm jealous of her uncle. Probably wouldn't feel quite as big as a quarterstaff to her now but still
That character is also a master manipulator. He plays PC like a fiddle, and always reacts positively to your alignments.
Atsura has a very high IQ, and, with that in mind, he was written appropriately. The whole RDC faction was very well done.
>that edgy death godlike portrait
yeap seems like you are the same shizo as in the previous thread
And another thing you know what, frick you homosexual. You come into this thread to shit on PoE, post a garbage screencap that says almost NOTHING about the poor quality of it's dialogue or writing in general and then you don't write a single post in my defense. You literally didn't write a single post at all. While these homosexuals gang up on me for trying to literally explain basic fricking language skills. Frick you.
Both of you are colossal homosexuals either way
Don't reply to me, literal and metaphorical subhuman. Learn to read and speak your own language, you dumb frick. Or do, sit here and jerk yourself, literally fellate yourself over the big hard-edged wiener ramming up your throat by obsidian's extremely elongated prose as a perfect testament to your decaying culture and brain. I'm over it.
I'm not the anon you think I am, but you continue to babble like some mental asylum escapee that managed to somehow find a way to access the internet.
its durance irl
Durance was at least entertaining whenever he went on some unhinged tirade. This homosexual is not.
I never had the intent to entertain you, a subhuman abomination that doesn't understand the english language or why a sound cannot be hard-edged or why the garbage in the game they are reading is extremely poor quality middleschooler levels of rhetoric that is completely lazy, unimaginative and factually incorrect in both phrasing and overall execution whilst praised as the epitome and bar of the industry with "it's very own genuine language! which is like Welsh but not really here's some random Irish and also Anglican!". Pathetic.
The only unhinged part about it is your state of existence and consumerism. Instead of hiring a linguist this self-absorbed egotistical mania of game developers is beyond absurd and tiresome. The truth is you are the one that has barely entertained me, I just wanted to leave an insightful comment but your precious little fanboyism isn't up to any scrutiny or criticism.
I've been accused of samegayging, called all kinds of paranoid shit and every other garbage interaction in this thread because you are an infantile fanbase bred from an uncultured, uneducated and completely backwards nationality. You have never been graced by any beauty, wisdom or intelligence of any kind. This is your muck. This...pedestrian pool of mediocrity is the best you can offer and you smear yourself with pride. I'm not sorry. Fampyr is garbage. The prose is garbage. Absolutely pathetic garbage. Shame.
Absolute shame at the fact that this was released as a final product. I've never even attempted to come from a position of literary authority, I just pointed out something that is extremely low in quality and is factually incorrect. I only expected quality better than a second grader musings, not a masterpiece. Yet you can't even accept criticism of that. Complete shame over your cultural heritage, your history, your language. Even in it's early stages americans were purposeful and intelligent. This is just shit. Decay and rot. Like your lives.
>still malding hours later because vampire is spelled differently in a fantasy game
lmao
That wasn't the only reason.
And you're still samegayging the same tired old thread like a decaying animal and who knows how many of your days you've spent in this manner either.
What part of "I have never played Pathfinder" you didn't understand? In fact I'll actually play it simply because it clearly infuriates you so much. It must be infinitely better in prose and even if it isn't at least I'll remember this interaction and your emotional instability when I do.
I thought we could all have a laugh about how moronic the writing is, because it is. Objectively. Then share in a discussin together. Not "smarm" around about how smart I am. This is simply what happens when an extremely stupid person(such as yourself) meets a not so extremely stupid one(to put it humbly). That's what cultured and intelligent people do, they see something stupid and try to make something better, together. That's what this hobby used to be like, that's what dnd players used to be like. That's why I stuck in this thread hoping the shitposting will end and it will happen. This is what I meant by "decaying culture". You're completely lost, it's never going to happen. The only muck you'll ever know and you'll die defending it till the end. Like a literal subhuman animal. You're not even alive, not really. More like a gassy balloon of shit, floating through life, inhaling and exhaling excrements. Complete waste of time hoping for anything else at this point from you, like hoping in this hobby at this point in general so I'll just leave.
Best of luck to you and your pillars of excrements. I hope when you skim through it for the n-th time it sparks an awakening of any sort for you to venture outside this muck and learn a thing or two about your own culture, history or language in the future.
>Complete waste of time hoping for anything else at this point from you, like hoping in this hobby at this point in general so I'll just leave.
See you in the next Pillars thread.
>You have never been graced by any beauty, wisdom or intelligence of any kind.
Sounds like something a pretentious midwit would say.
>Complete shame over your cultural heritage, your history, your language. Even in it's early stages americans were purposeful and intelligent.
Well, I'm not American. But it seems that you have America living rent free in your head 24/7, which tells me that you're probably some perpetually seething European, most likely from the Western side of the continent, because only they seem to concern themselves so much with America.
He's totally insufferable. The Platonic ideal of the midwit who thinks he is super smart. It's actually hilarious at this point.
You do not even understand the word Platonic, you absolute halfbreed trash. Your entire existence and use of words is insufferable. No proper etymology. No care or regard for history, culture or beauty of any kind. Words are capable of weaving beauty, you weave shit. Open any dialogue chain, it's a prose made out of excrements. Pillars of Excrements. Fitting for a decaying culture.
I used the word "Platonic" because I knew it would trigger you.
Have a heart attack already, you insufferable homosexual.
And if you hate PoE so much, what the frick are you doing on this thread? I don't play JRPGs, but I don't obsess over them and post in every JRPG thread. (In fact, I don't even open them.) Basically, there's something wrong with you. Something more than your 90 IQ.
I entered this thread because the actual gameplay, one of the main purposes of videogames, was entertaining. Mechanically speaking it is, in fact, a genuinely entertaining game. I have my reservations on certain classes and balancing issues but overall it serves it's purpose well.
It's narrative, plot, setting, characters, dialogue is extremely pathetic and the only reason I replied was because of an otherwise opposite sentiment. I made one small correction, you think Fampyr is really the worst thing about it? That simply amused me, out of sheer shock that they left that in. Despite that, I was met with complete fanboyism and negative reception. Complete shame and embarrassment, learn to take criticism.
>Basically, there's something wrong with you.
That's funny coming from a an infantile fanbase bred from an uncultured, uneducated and completely backwards nationality that doesn't even understand the words you're using. A literal animaloid that samegays and types like a braindead subhuman in every reply to me.
I do
You know what, I actually find his 'fiery prostitute' lines a bit too flamboyant compared to his lines when he is serious
that's a bit inconsistent
I always thought flaming prostitute sounded better
fiery is weak
She doesn't swing that way
I always felt rather flip-floppy on Durance, sometimes I liked him and sometimes I found him quite annoying. I ended up not using him in combat because I had Pallegina and my PC druid so I didn't need a healer. I did think it was fricking weird though that you can only finish his personal quest and get his good ending if he's in your party when you go to confront Thaos at the end, like Avellone just assumed the player would take Durance.
I see the schizo with the imaginary degree has arrived. Pack it up boys, It's over.
>schizo
You're the øne talking to yourself whilst pretending to talk to an audience in the thread like a flat stilled puffoon here. It seems the pøstur count didn't go up either in either of the posts so I'd auspiciously recommend for you to redo that physics masters of yours swiftly. I'm not intrinsically invested into physics myself however I'm certain it should take a separate volume of mass for a new person to have pøstud here as opposed to an teumbré schzæ shitpøstur.
Now that's how it would have sounded in the PoE universe. Instead to make the point across:
Shut the frick up, schizohomosexual. Your garbage game's writing and dialogue is made up fake shit and so are you. have a nice day.
Laughter is a sound. It cannot have edges. It's not even a clever idiom or something. It's a made-up string of words strung together with no meaning by an american, who thought it was really quite clever and cool.
Literally.
>schizo calls me a schizo
>literally n-no u
>Laughter is a sound. It cannot have edges.
Correct, it's called a metaphor. Did you know that the sun cannot actually rise ? That the wind doesn't blow ? That hearts don't sink ? That I did in fact frick your mom ?
Hard-edged is a very common metaphor for expressing both intensity and unpleasantness. You are a fricking dumbass.
He is the essence of the midwit. Just stupid enough to miss every point and totally fail to grasp the game's lore and setting, but just smart enough to feel entitled and superior. His smarmy, fart sniffing attitude comes across in every post he makes.
Hard-edged laughter isn't a metaphor. There is no analogy to sound having physical mass. It's sound. The sun is a physical mass, thus it is plausible as a metaphor for it to rise. Same for wind, it's a force - it has momentum and velocity, it can definitely be used as a metaphor. If anything it could best be classified as a allegory and poor at that even. With your american education, it's not a surprise you can't tell the difference between an allegory and a metaphor and just stitch everything together like an abomination. A toy written, manufactured and enjoyed by and for abominations, fitting.
No, I just expect writing at least higher level than that of a middle-schooler. Just like a expected a level of intelligence here higher than that of a pleb that unironically uses the word "midwit". Genuinely, have a nice day since... it is clear and obvious no number of books, lectures or learning can help you.
shut the frick dumb moron
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/metaphor
> literally denoting one kind of object or idea is used in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy between them
>to suggest a likeness or analogy between them
>likeness or analogy
Open a dictionary instead of consooming like a corporate golem.
that definition agrees with me you dumb frick
god you are actually braindead
Literally look at yourself, animal. Unstable and emotional, weak. Look at the absolute state of your existence. Typing in METAPHOR with your cum stained fingernails in the search bar and chimping out the first mayoclinic tier result they give you. No critical thought of any kind. No braincells to speak of either. It's a wonder you even passed this game to begin with, be honest did you skim through it? It would explain a lot.
Can you not read your own link ?
>A metaphor is a figure of speech in which a word or phrase denoting one kind of object or action is used in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy between them
>a likeness or analogy
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/analogy
>: a comparison of two otherwise unlike things based on resemblance of a particular aspect
>resemblance
Can you? There is no resemblance in sound and volume. In fact, it was Americans whom decided it's acceptable to say something like "Go look at the sounds outside". When sound has no physical mass. It's no surprise to me the average mutt shakes in disbelief when confronted with the actual language they're supposed to be speaking. Wasn't this game's fake language supposed to represent Welsh, Irish and Anglican too? That's funny.
okay schyzo go get owned somewhere else, you are actually too dumb to understand definitions which is actually kind of impressive
You cannot even form a simple sentence, a critical thought of your own nor do you understand the language you speak, read and write in any capacity whatsoever.
>Laughter is a sound. It cannot have edges
>Definition of hard-edged
>having a tough, driving, or sharp quality
who could have thought that 20 seconds of googling could have saved you from embarrassment
I see that you probably don't have a degree or probably any systematic knowledge of linguistics after all
just a seething smoothbrain
well, another thread with a shizo
at least thanks for keeping the thread on page one
It's an american adjective, first used in 1904. The correct form comes from Latin edurus, as related to manufacturing and physical objects. It's adjective form is warped with acies, the word for edge to denote sharpness and toughness of material. It is by default two words strung together to combine an easier pronunciation and etymology of building material. Sometimes by artists, for brush strokes and pigment quality. Not sound. Not voices.
Play your extremely verbose precious game that pretends it's on some kind of literary pedestal when the only pillar it's on is the perfect representation for your decaying culture, history and brain. Now that's a metaphor. We're done here.
is that your picture?
I mean your posts resemble the ones of a schizophrenic to scary degree
hopefully your mom will finally get those $20 she was promised for sucking a dick and will get you your meds
>he thinks I'd fall for the 4k meme
For the third time or so. It's not, you complete mentally ill imbecile. Condolences for your nationality, history, language and your melted brain.
>Open /vrpg/
>See PoE thread
>oh cool
>It's submarine lunatic shitting it up again
Does the deck of many things disappear after you went there once ? I can't find it on my map
> types like a braindead subhuman in every reply to me
See, this is what I mean when I say you're a smarmy midwit.
You don't know how to "read the room." You don't know where you are. Posting overwrought paragraphs -- complete with R*ddit spacing -- on Ganker outs you as something more than a noob. It outs you as an imbecile. Your posting style is so characteristic that, even though this is an anonymous forum, you're easily identifiable.
> That's funny coming from a an infantile fanbase bred from an uncultured, uneducated and completely backwards nationality that doesn't even understand the words you're using.
> t. unironically enjoys Pathfinder.
I'm starting to think that this is a very long-running joke. It's legit funny at this point.
part of why this game is a bit annoying to replay is that it feels like you're actively gimping yourself by recruiting NPCs early on. So many quests can be completed without fighting that it feels like you're expected to complete these quests before getting people into your group so you get out of this awkward level zone before 12-13 where it feels like your base accuracy and defenses are just inadequate for most of the content.
But that also means cutting yourself off from the party banter for a long time which is arguably one of funnest parts of the game.
I mean the whole party gets exp even from peacefully completed quests right? Why would you avoid recruiting them?
main party gets increasingly less xp based on how many members it has
recruited benched characters get a fraction of the exp the main party gets, meaning they'll be underleveled for a while
meanwhile freshly recruited characters generally have as much exp as the MC, meaning you get more overall exp for recruiting them later rather than earlier. It's a bit dumb.
where does edér go if you tell him to frick off at the beginning of the game ?
He just hangs around gilded vale and presumably gets lynched.
no in the second game
Is Priest/Ranger very good?
I wanna be a gun priest, and I figure Ranger might mesh well with that
Multiclassing with casters is pretty bad because you'll be either doing one thing or the other, you cant shoot pistols and cast spells at the same time
the opposite is kind of true as well, full casters run out of spells pretty fast and don't have much to contribute when those are gone. Half casters allow you to cast the important control spells at the beginning of combat and then have a full team of martials to take advantage of it.
The only exception is clerics of anything but skaen that suck dick as non full casters since low PL cleric spells are unimpactful.
Casters in Poe 2 do not run out of spells. Caster have spells per encounter, and also they have so vernerfed casting times that you can varely cast more than 1 spell in a fight.
most spells are a waste of time apart from the few very impactful ones that change the tide of an encounter
once you've cast that one using martial actives is generally more impactful than casting any of the shitty damage spells you have.
So if a theoretical PoE3 ever got made, where would it go? What parts of Eora would you guys like to visit?
definitely the living lands or the white, somewhere wild with a lot of ancient things and weird monsters. I want to see the dark side of Eora and things that have escape the gods' notice or that are awakening now that their dominion is waning.
Generally speaking I want things the logical conclusions of the existence of animancy to run wild now that there aren't "no fun allowed" soulbots to protect civilization.
I saw the Soul Reaver in 2 and already deicided that animancy has gone too far.
I want to see what the hell are the Vailian Republics like, Readceras too, since they are the only parts of the Eastern Reach we haven't visited. Maybe we can even see the old Aedyrian Empire and learn more about its history. As for plot, i want to see what will happen to Eora now that the Gods don't have any influence over it, and maybe follow up on some of the hooks from Deadfire, like Yezuha, the fact that apparently one of the Gods may have not actually discarded their titan form, or some mystery figure that's suppose to come from the White that Wends.
Pretty much what i would say
All the places we've been teased but never allowed to explore
Highly-religious Readceras, after the events of PoE2, would be extremely interesting.
The White or maybe a civil war in Rauatai would be cool settings
Is one-handed weilding ever worth it compared to the two others ?
It's good on cipher for example since they dont have many ways to boost accuracy.
but having more attacks rolls is a good way to compensate relatively lower accuracy
Who'd you guys give Ukaizo to? I felt the Huana had the best claim on it, cus frick the pirates and both of the trading companies were buttholes
Are Old/Grand Vailia and the Vailian Republics the same place? Text in game seems to be conflicted on this
No. Grand Vaillia is the original empire, which broke itself off into both Old Vaillia (warring states that are still at war with each other today) and the Vaillian Republics, which are a group of states that decided to cooperate with each other. The Principi pirates are nobles from Old Vaillia that were looking for greenure pastures away from that war, while the VTC is a product of the Vaillian Republics.
Ah, I see. It's quite unclear in the games themselves.
I think he's one of the most wel written companions in crpg history
we wuz venetians!
Soier's so eager to kneel he fails to realize he's insulting Italians and lying about history for propaganda.
>lying about history for propaganda.
What history? We're talking about a fantasy series set in a fantasy world. This isn't some historical piece.
>he's insulting Italians
Italian American detected.
Nobody gives one frick if any european country is used for a race or culture, everyone here is used to it happening in fantasy fiction.
> t. Fredo
The only characters which I remember from the pillars are warrior dude whose name sounds somewhat like cheese and man elf who was a scottish woman in his previous life. Also afroitalian bird woman.
The only thing I remember about Durance is that he had verbal diarrea.
Is there a way to make so quick money in the early game in poe2? I'm almost broke from having to manage my crew. Am I just being a shitter?
If you're RPing a "good" character, you're going to be flat broke until you hit level 12 or 13.
If you're evil, just get good at raiding ships. There's infinite money out there on the seas. And the more you do it, the easier it gets.
Also steal everything that isn't nailed down. The stealth system actually works quite well at least for stealing
>I'm almost broke from having to manage my crew
how bad are you at video games? by the time I was at the end of Neketaka the first time I didn't need money anymore
If you're playing on POTD and are playing a "good" (i.e. non-murderhobo, non-burglar/pickpocket) character, money in Deadfire is surprisingly hard to come by. On POTD, it pays to avoid fights and gain experience through non-violent means.
Everything is easier if you're evil. So it's kind of like real life.
>On POTD, it pays to avoid fights and gain experience through non-violent means.
You don't get any notable XP from fights. You get stuff.
Board ships and sell loot. Crookspoor Captains are guilt-free.
Why is every character in this game so ridiculously ugly?
Anon, you're talking to a fish person.
You picked the pencil-neck nerd portrait, and you're calling other people ridiculously ugly?
It's never acceptable to pick that portrait, anon.
>human male fighter is bad
There are a bunch of human male fighter portraits that are actually decent.
You happened to pick the most israeli, gay, and weakest-looking portrait possible. lmao.
NTA, but he looks like the average white guy
Picrel is average white guy.
There are also a ton of helmeted human fighter portraits.
The portrait that dude chose is literally some israeli/mutt pencil-necked nerd. Imagine calling other people ugly when you pick the ugliest possible portrait.
Charactrers in PoE are ugly as sin
Aloth and Eder look pretty good though
There are a few backer portraits that are just egregiously bad. Picrel.
Some of the portraits are really good, though.
4th one looks decent
It's a bald chinlet. Literally an incel.
Perfect for a murderhobo playthrough
That... that is actually true. It's the perfect portrait for a creepy spree-killer.
This website has fried your brain completely.
Yes.
Today I saw somebody wearing a Levis t-shirt that had "501" written on its front in large type. I could have sworn that it said "SOI" -- I had to do a double-take.
I think it's time to go on vacation and step back from the memes.
That's a really good idea, good luck anon.
everytime i see a dog i think of white women
i need to just throw my computer into a firepit
lol. yes.
Imagine a custom party of these guys
5th one looks like a parody of the gigchad meme
Why do black people always want to be portrayed as elves?
Elves in Lotr=Immortal Sages and Kings
Black folk = We wuz Kangz and shieeet.
Simple as
So, deep down, they know that they are Orcs, but they wish it were otherwise?
This is simultaneously funny and tragic.
>implying it's black people pushing this and not western devs taking it upon themselves
It's a Kickstarter backer portrait, like all of the terrible and obnoxious portraits at
There are no other black elves in the game. In fact, most of the elves are fricking albinos.
I think I found the first one. It's MtF troon Charles "Charlotte" Clymer.
#3 and #6 look like the same person from a different angle, especially around the eyes and brows. Very low-testosterone phenotype, possibly FtM.
#5 is an elf with a bulbous hook-nose. Never seen that before.
I used one of the helmeted portraits on my first playthrough
Lacks personality
He looks like the guy from Mad Men to me
I really like the way the convo portraits in 2 look. It's nice all characters have one. Cool too that the whole game is voice-acted, even when Sawyer has said that was one of the factors leading to the game being unsuccessful considering how expensive it was. Shame we'll never see a 3 to finish out the trilogy.
>why are island fish people who work for pirates and probably never use soap so ugly
This game has kino art direction for the characters.
which faction did yous side with? i chose vailia
based Royal Deadfire Company just so i can get closer to my waifu, fleet master okaya
Huanga are literal nogs, only instead of having the excuse of living in africa, they live on the ruins of an ancient civilisation and can't be assed to literally go downstairs.
RDC look like a technological faction at first, but their leadership is just CANNONS. Their whole answer to a magical crisis is to send a submarine with 4 royal bronzers.
Pirates are fricking pirates. You get to choose either boomer criminals or zoomer criminals.
VTC are EU, but they're the only ones who actually research what matters. When the RDC build Da Vinci boats and praise brass, the VTC builds portals and animats.
The proper answer is obviously to kill everyone and go in alone, then get Eothas to destroy everything.
Is literally everyone in this game a fricking homo?
no, only (you)
you might want to lay off with the gay porn, it's frying your brain
the whole point of this convo is that Aloth ISN'T gay, he says to you later he feels a little bad about potentially misleading the gay elf when they were schoolmates
Those that need to go out of their way to specify they are not gay have at the very least something to wonder about themselves.
Pretty sure neither of the returning companions are gay. Eder outright rejects you if make advances as a male, Aloth clarifies that he has no interesting in men, and Pallegina is a bit harder to discern, since there's an implication that she might have been in a short relationship with Maneha, but then she talks to Eder how she's always wanted to have children of her own, and that being one of the reasons why she's so pissed at being a Godlike, since they are sterile. The other main companions in Deadfire are bisexual.
The thing that irritates me is how nice they are about rejection. You can just tell it's written by the most sheltered people imaginable. As a gay man, even in the US it is absolutely brutal.
Making every new companion gay friendly was a turn off but at least they didn't go ME3 and retcon one of your bros into a homosexual a la kaiden. I guess even then they're only queers if you make them since only gay fish is a flamer
Kaidan is completely homosexual all the way back in me1. You just never bothered to notice and they didn't telegraph it to you directly. He's sensitive, introspective, full of pain and grief, completely isolated and alone due to his condition. He cannot firm any healthy relationship whatsoever outside of his condition. Shepard is the only person that sticks with him, there's so much tension between them on the original Normandy. He respects and worships the commander. I agree it's a bit strange to make Shepard gay simply because it doesn't really matter or affect anything whatsoever, it really is a fulfillment things for the gays, except maybe in the third game when he is emotionally vulnerable with the kid and the stress and everything but Kaiden was always this way, you just never bothered to notice.
> everybody sensitive and introspective is gay
Frick off. And I'll have you know that emo was the last white subculture.
t. based emo fascist.
> there's so much tension between them on the original Normandy.
Holy shit you're a gay. There was no tension between them on the Normandy. Kaidan was just a good bro and a subordinate.
Anyone that has to proclaim it over and over should examine their own sexuality. There was and that is his character, sensitive and deeply feminine. You are completely tonedeaf and possibly insecure about several things here which I completely don't care about.
> sensitive and deeply feminine
You're literally making this up out of whole cloth. He never said anything in ME1 that could be construed that way. He simply had a rough childhood -- and part of that trauma was because he had a crush on a girl (!!!!) who was in his special biotic school, and was mistreated by an instructor.
He picked himself up, joined the alliance, and became a marine officer. He gets headaches from time to time, and he's introspective and somewhat introverted.
NONE of this makes him gay.
Men will never understand. Learn underlying communication for starters.
Not to mention that this is a background tailored exactly for many gay men, or at the very least bisexual. Fine, we can concede then that in lieu of Shepard being both male and female and that one relationship with a girl ( that never went anywhere ), he is bisexual then. As if that makes that much of a difference, it's not who he sticks his penis into or his label that matters but what type of energy it is, and Kaidan is feminine. He always has been.
Kaidan is not gay --- and canonically was deeply in love with a woman before he ever met Shepard.
The city and catacomb environments in this game are second to none.
Best Gragas cosplayer I have ever seen.
> You just never bothered to notice and they didn't telegraph it to you directly. He's sensitive, introspective, full of pain and grief, completely isolated and alone due to his condition.
If that equals homosexuality for you then man, you should unironically seek help.
none of that makes him gay tho.
Everything about it makes him more feminine than masculine.
Canonically was. As in past tense.
Alright you insecure losers, he's NOT gay or bi or whatever but he is more feminine than masculine, hence why it makes perfect sense for him to swing that way for Shepard. Now can you morons stop being afraid of WORDS and FEELINGS already.
I just like it bros
Which god was your favorite before pillars 2 butchered them? For me, it was Abydon; even before The White Marsh.
Even before white March? Explain. I thought he was just a golem for that moron magran until we put his brain back together
For me eothas, but I'm a catholic and can't help myself
Mainly because of the values and beliefs that he carries, or at least the ones that his followers say he carries. I'm mainly a person that tries their best and is honest with what they do, even if life did give me a lot of shit for it. Also, it doesn't hurt that he is depicted as a weapon smith, which I always thought were cool growing up.
Based. While eothas is flailing around with questions of morality, abydon is making the world a better place with conservative progress instead of revolutionary autism.
Kek it would seem so. Has someone made a Kanye meme of this yet?
>before pillars 2 butchered them?
I don't really think it did. In fact, Rymrgrand is my favorite god specifically because how he was presented in PoE2.
I've had a little encounter with him in the animancer quest. He's interesting
He's even better in the Beast of Winter expansion.
Wish more PoE companions had little cameos in Deadfire, miss my boys Hiravias, Sagani and Kana
That looks sick. Looking forward to BoW so I can take queen Ydwin and pretend she's a real companion and not a sidekick
>miss my boys Hiravias, Sagani and Kana
like you wouldn't believe...
I know that feel bro
>Hiravias
One of the best companions in any RPG, all time.
A true bro.
Sorely missed.
I say butchered in the sense that some of their voices and how they interact with each other really brought down their presentation as gods imo.
I found most of them pretty good, with Angus Wright in particular doing a fantastic job as Rymrgand, managing to present him as both an ominous and apathetic God, far better compared to the literally who that voiced him in the first game.
>brought down their presentation as gods imo.
'gods' and their presentation is not something solid or consistent through time and cultures
nothing wrong with presentation
just you being a midwit
don't (you) me
(you)
what do you mean by butchered?
as far as lore goes, I'm appreciating the god-related lore on my re-run PoE1 much more after I finished Deadfire
the portraits for some of the gods could have been better thou
>it's a fish, but with breasts
Jesus Christ. I know exactly what kind of person made this.
I love how when you get summoned to their little meetings in Deadfire, if you pipe up they basically all tell you to SHUT THE FRICK UP RIGHT NOW. You learn pretty quick that [say nothing] is always the right option
But where's the fun in that?
ehhh you can tell them all to choke on your watcher dick and the only one that doesn't just take it like a b***h is rymrgand
>the only one that doesn't just take it like a b***h is rymrgand
That's because he's the only chad God among them. He even kills you if you insult him in Beast of Winter and A Glimpse Beyond.
Yes, you have "observer" status. They get really angry if you start talking. It's great.
Can we have a thread where we talk about poe without it devolving into schtizo posting and calling everything gay? Don't get me wrong the gay characters were annoying but not 300 posts annoying
You will discuss the gay fish and you will be happy.
He seemed overrated to me.
Reckon I might have another stab at Deadfire now uni's started. I had to take a break and play some FNV after finishing PoE because when I tried to play Deadfire for the first time I just got bored
Also, is naval combat just, completely fricked? Whenever I got into combat I remember that the other ship would literally just hold position the entire time and do nothing while I closed to board
Anyone got tips for Deadfire? Are there any cutoff points where you are expelled from any of the main factions for helping the other ones?
The factions quests don't fricking matter in any way shape or form
The only choice that matter is at the very very end of the main quest as a lazy reminder that the factions exist
Ship combat is solved by either boarding like you've already found or you can also rush to neketaka and do that quest that give you 4 mid tier canons for dirt cheap. With them you can now kill every single high level ships by having your starting ship spamming broadsides while spinning on itself. Any further part upgrades are mostly unnecessary and only exist so you don't have to reload your game if you get particularly unlucky, don't bother """""""upgrading"""""" to a bigger ship.
You can skip the naval combat by boarding ships, or just get the fastest one and avoid other ships altogether.
>Are there any cutoff points where you are expelled from any of the main factions for helping the other ones?
You can help each of the factions until their final quest, where they'll pretty much task you to do something major, like assassinate a rival faction leader, blow up supplies and weapons of another faction, or recover an important weapon/ship etc. It isn't like New Vegas where you can only string along the factions up until a certain point and they start sending messages warning you about it, or in Tyranny, where you're forced to choose which faction to work with half-way through Act 1.
They are for the most part, and the game even tracks the options you've picked via disposition, which is basically a reputation system of sort. Depending on said disposition you can even sway characters to your side.
>the game even tracks the options you've picked via disposition, which is basically a reputation system of sort
So I'll get a reminder if I slip off course? That'll help.
I'm going to do. I'm going to try to finish Pillars again! You can't stop me. But you can help me.
Are dialogue options consistent enough that I can give the Watcher a personality and pick those options regardless of what the best one actually is, then deal with consequence?
So if Avowed succeeds, will Obsidian be motivated to make a Pillars of Eternity 3?
Josh has said that after Deadfire and Tyranny flopped it’s very unlikely they’ll make another iso game period
You think it's clever bait or something?
No, I genuinely don't think it will ever happen. Their iso games flopped, sadly, and as a business it doesn't make sense to make a PoE 3. Outer Worlds sold well despite being mediocre and I hold out little hope for Avowed being better, particularly since Sawyer isn't working on it
Haven't finished his story so I'm just going to drop this and leave; Durance is fine, but I dislike him for how much he makes every other party member feel like they hardly have anything going on with them by comparison.