I enjoyed FFXIV until the FC I was in from the start imploded over gay drama. I just haven't been able to stomach the idea of being social and getting attached to people again. I know it's sad, but FFXIV was my only source of interaction as a disabled person and seeing my "family" stab each other in the back and throw all the memories away was traumatizing. Now I only play single player games.
There's to many stories of FCs disolving over stupid shit for me to want to interact with them. I want to, but man I dont think the odds are in my favor to find a good one.
There's to many stories of FCs disolving over stupid shit for me to want to interact with them. I want to, but man I dont think the odds are in my favor to find a good one.
It's not a 14 exclusive thing obviously, I've been in 5 guilds in WoW that have imploded (all but one were due to a woman, how odd!) until I stopped playing seriously at the end of WoTLK.
While my FC didn't implode over gay drama, I feel the same
They all quit over time, some still come back for patches, others completely abandoned it
I've tried joining so many FCs since mid shadowbringers but they just don't hit like my og FC did
I used to spend hours near our small house just talking to people, now it feels like everyone is a zombie
I feel this. FFXIV feels super anti-social. It's all on discord and shit. Personally I stopped playing when I realized that most players are gays and/or trans. Just way too much.
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It's not a 14 exclusive thing obviously, I've been in 5 guilds in WoW that have imploded (all but one were due to a woman, how odd!) until I stopped playing seriously at the end of WoTLK.
While my FC didn't implode over gay drama, I feel the same
They all quit over time, some still come back for patches, others completely abandoned it
I've tried joining so many FCs since mid shadowbringers but they just don't hit like my og FC did
I used to spend hours near our small house just talking to people, now it feels like everyone is a zombie
I feel this. FFXIV feels super anti-social. It's all on discord and shit. Personally I stopped playing when I realized that most players are gays and/or trans. Just way too much.
I don’t understand how people socialize in MMOs. Maybe 20 years ago when the idea of being able to play a persistent online game with people from all over the world was new and novel, it would have been cool to make friends in an MMO. Maybe I’m too young to understand it. I can’t imagine actually making friends with someone over text chat in a video game. When I play MMOs I get in, see the content I wanna see and get out fast.
Yeah that seems like a young person attitude. I will try to articulate how this happened for me.
So I feel like these days MMOs are 100% focused on the end game where you are max level and you do all the raids and what not. Devs these days simplify or streamline the leveling experience to get you there faster. Back in the old days I feel like the Devs really put a lot of thought into the leveling experience. Sure there was end game stuff but the real meat and potatoes was the journey as you leveled up. It took a while. After some time the grind gets a bit boring so you start talking to people and maybe party up. There were lots of quests that needed multiple people and you always found tons of folks just hanging around on the outskirts of such areas. This was before you could just queue up from anywhere so if you wanted to do a dungeon you would travel to it and wait outside for people to show up. It usually did not take too long but if we were like 3 outta 4 it was super common to just chat with each other.
I think another factor is we didn't really have the sheer choice you do now. Today you can pull up hundreds of games from any given genre. It makes sense to want to speed run content of a game when you have 30 other games lined up after it but back then I just...didn't. I would get home, get on WoW, and just do whatever. Sometimes I would sit in the undercity and just talk to random people also in the city and it was neat to have to defend Sylvanas every now and then. The thing is back then my choices for MMOs were WoW, of which there was nothing else like it at the time, or some free to play korean grindfest.
There was no cross server matchmaking either so if you did eventually get to the end game you would inevitably become familiar with your server's raiding community and every server was pretty unique in this regard but the thing is you pretty much HAD to socialize.
>When I play MMOs I get in, see the content I wanna see and get out fast.
In older MMOs you actually needed to socialise with people to do said content, since there was no group or dungeon finder. And you couldn't fly throw it like an ADHD kid after drinking 2 cans of monster, since you often had to stop and rest to regen HP or MP, which naturally lead to people talking, doubly so since 2nd monitors and smartphones weren't around yet. Then you have other non-combat factors, such as fast travel either being extremely rear or requiring someone playing say, a druid or wizard to open a portal for you. There also weren't any server wide auction house/market board, so players usually made an unofficial trading zone somewhere in the world.
I feel ya, my FC is pretty much dead except for raid day on tuesday and maybe some stuff on the weekend, and even then there's barely a dozen people on.
I think I'm cursed every guild in an MMO I ever join dies or falls apart.
>I enjoyed FFXIV until the FC I was in from the start imploded over gay drama.
I feel you. I came back to the game last year after a long break to find my FC in the middle of a mutiny. The frickers lost their mind over rank names of all things and because the FC leader was not playing because she just had irl shit going on. Last I saw, half the dipshits started a new FC after taking all the gil and mats and shit they could from the bank, and then disbanded after a month. The FC leader and two of her friends moved to OCE.
So stupid.
This is the exact reason I have avoided any and ALL FCs for the past 10 years. They ALL involve cliques. They ALL involve some sort of drama at some point. They ALL have a handful of people at the top who look down on you, who will never give a frick about YOU, and will kick you from the FC if you much as make an emote in a way that upsets one of them or their bisexual e-lovers. Joining any FC at any time is like begging to get suspended or banned in an expedited fashion.
While guild drama has always been a thing in mmos, it does feel far more pronounced in XIV for some reason. Smaller FC's tend to be a bit better from my experience, but I completely get not wanting to be part of them in general.
I'm an FC "Leader" but that was literally just so I could buy a house back in ARR before personal houses were introduced.
The only occupants in the FC are myself and a few friends who come back every now and again.
It's actually nice. I get airships and submarines and I don't need to share the spoils with anyone. I also own a personal small right next door so at least I get to feel like a land owner digitally.
Guild I'm in has survived purely by escaping the MMO into other games (and meetups) and bullying away the drama inclined gays.
(With a dash of not being american and leaving politics at the door)
The fc I was in imploded just the other day, Gay drama being the cause of course. The usual suspects infiltrated the officer team, and stabbed the fc leader in the back because they got called out on their troony bullshit by the FC leader. The feelings of an Officer’s friend got hurt and their ‘safe space’ endangered, and so the team burned down everything to not be in a “toxic” situation. I’m pretty sure the FC leader’s stance on trannies flipped because of what happened.
The Judasses created a new FC, and now I’m waiting for the same thing to happen again because they’ll just devour their own.
Tl;dr: FCs aren’t worth the brain damage, just find a nice static. You can filter out the trannies yourself.
In this case it’s particularly sad for the fc leader, she just wanted to enjoy the game, get an fc house to decorate, and it grew into a little community from there over the last expansion. She put a lot of time and effort in. I warned her when they started making demands: ‘inclusive safe space’ in fc recruitment message, pronouns in discord… but if she even considered saying no they shamed her for being a bad person. At that point I gave up on warning her, best learn the lesson the hard way.
She really thought these people were her friends, even met up with them a week ago.
But they do as they do: if you’re not with them you’re against them. They can’t create, only corrupt, and that’s an endless cycle so I’m sure we’ll be laughing at more drama soon.
Its why I only join guilds/fc ran by husband/wife. Drama still possible but a lot less likely.
Always gonna be weirdos but only weirdos play MMOs like a job anyway so its expected.
reading about guild implosion in mmos never gets old because it's always caused by the same thing every time and it's still funny every time
Its why I only join guilds/fc ran by husband/wife. Drama still possible but a lot less likely.
Always gonna be weirdos but only weirdos play MMOs like a job anyway so its expected.
Every time, always, in every situation, this is Americans or on NA servers. Your entire nerd subculture seems to thrive on drama and pettiness on levels most other countries can barely comprehend.
reading about guild implosion in mmos never gets old because it's always caused by the same thing every time and it's still funny every time
Its why I only join guilds/fc ran by husband/wife. Drama still possible but a lot less likely.
Always gonna be weirdos but only weirdos play MMOs like a job anyway so its expected.
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Every time, always, in every situation, this is Americans or on NA servers. Your entire nerd subculture seems to thrive on drama and pettiness on levels most other countries can barely comprehend.
>Every time, always, in every situation, this is Americans or on NA servers. Your entire nerd subculture seems to thrive on drama and pettiness on levels most other countries can barely comprehend.
Believe it or not, this was EU. The disease has gone transatlantic.
Autistic women blew up my old fc over a hottub in the yard, but our splinter fc is a lot better. The old one was a sprout farm with an insanely lame “managerial” style of leadership. Our new fc leader is a 0 parsing BLM with a “kingly” style of management.
I sort of feel that since my FC is slowly creeping towards death
Can't bring myself to leave my FC I've been with since the beginning that's essentially been taken over by new blood after the OGs have just kinda dialed things way back due to IRL/lack of interest.
The new people that have joined clearly clash with those that have been here since the beginning and the new leadership clearly isn't as good.
I've got 1 true friend here left who's a menhera, the rest I'm acquainted with. My actual friends are in their own FC elsewhere.
Had a really good time traveling to a different data center and just meeting people there / doing the usual for a couple months at the end of last year, the grass really was greener.
>I sort of feel that since my FC is slowly creeping towards death
Get some coomers/modbeasts and pressure them into running content. They are usually pretty good at recruiting others and as long as you don’t spazz at them they can clear stuff
After my longtime FC since ARR fell apart end of Stormblood because of moronic drama shit, I haven't found one to replace it. Me and my friend hopped from FC to FC, even data center transferring to get a new pool of FCs. Nothing stuck.
He eventually found a GF on final, and now we have our own solo FC for buffs. I'm just kinda here as a third wheel with no one to talk to unless they are on, which is fine I guess. Just wish I could be in a big FC again where chat is popping and people are always trying to get content going no matter what time.
How do people get into FCs that are close enough to consider eachother family?
No one ever talked to one time the entire time I played XIV. I made an FC literally and no one wanted to join it. Its just a single player game with random people in the background no one interacts with eachother.
Small to midsized FCs that are very old tend to be close knit and have lots of discord chatter on the FC's channel. Old names are recognized on servers, nobody is going to join a new literal who FC.
Join Novice network as a sprout.
Do content that requires communication, Eureka, Bojza, always people grouping up in those places. Go to rp venues and talk to people.
This last one I personally hate but apparently it's a universal across all mmo's now not just 14, but join discord, there are a bunch of discords for hunts, Baldesion arsenal runs, Bojza, for raiding. You can find people and friends from there, there's also the FC finder you can use on the lodestone.
>How do people get into FCs that are close enough to consider eachother family?
Family is a bit too far, but they are definitely warm friends and drinking buddies. Because about once a week or so we do shit like maps while drunk/high and shoot the shit. If you do it for over 2 years, you end up closer to them than co/workers or fellow hobbyists or people you know from church or volunteering
You can play FFXIV without relying on a FC, party finder is great and the convenience of being able to play anytime you want instead of having to stick to a schedule is a lot more fun
>party finder is great
Nah it fricking sucks if you actually want to get shit done. People won’t be openly sociopathic like in League but if you feel like progging in PF, here is your typical Saturday:
Spend 45 minutes to fill in pf
2 of the players lied about their prog point
3 wipes to reach prog point
1 wipe at prog point
Group disbands
45 minutes in pf….
You can blow an entire Saturday and get 3-5 pulls at your actual prog point. Playing even with extremely low skill casuals in a static is better, because instead you schedule 2 hours on a weekday, get 20 pulls at prog point, and when they finally learn it, you can put in on farm, rather continuously having to retrain new people. When your teammates get better, you actually share in the returns, even if it takes far more wipes total than in pf.
It sounds melodramatic and homosexual only if you’ve never experienced it I think. I was only in one guild in WoW since I joined from 2006-2013. At the time we were progging Throne of Thunder when our GM/Raid Lead was diagnosed with cancer. He was still going to lead us, as his only family was really his girlfriend and one irl friend at that point who both played with us. Couple weeks later one of our raiders admitted to our GM that his girlfriend was cheating on him with said raider, he said he felt super guilty after the cancer diagnosis was dropped on all of us but his girlfriend wanted to continue cheating. After that everything fell apart, him and the girlfriend never logged on again and pretty much the whole group lost all morale losing our raid lead of nearly 6 years because of some slag, everyone slowly stopped playing and moved on. After awhile I learned from his irl bud through Facebook that he died a little bit before WoD dropped. Since then, I’ve never wanted to join a guild again, losing 20 really good friends like that because of some douchebag who was looking for e-poon. That, and I fricking hate women.
I think you're doing yourself a disservice by shutting out the rest of humanity because of one moron and a prostitute, but it's at least understandable.
Fricking playing the same game for 20 years, how does that not get stall as frick? But then again, i have a cousin that only plays the same 5 games since the dawn of the nes
I've played WoW, it got stall after a couple of months lol
No. I briefly got back into Runescape but it will never be the same as playing with your friends in the school computer lab. I tried FFXIV but never finished ARR, the gameplay and childish story doesn’t connect with me and the cumulative cost of a $15 a month sub fee is off-putting as someone that very rarely spends more than $20 on a game.
I am subbed to FFXIV but I literally only log in once every month to keep my house. Every time I log in I just feel apathy and log out. Debating on trying dawn trail or just leaving for good.
Played WoW on and off over the years. Tried SoD but got burned out on it quick and my realm is a ghost town, probably won't be revisiting it. No real interest in retail or Cata.
I might give Dawntrail a fair shake but thinking I'm just tired of the genre. I get the same satisfaction out of co-op games but without the absurd time investment and monthly fees.
I don't get why Blizzard doesn't reset some realms. Why do ALL "classic" WoW servers have to progress to Cata? Why don't they start some back at vanilla and progress to WotLK before resetting again?
Might be worried about splitting up the playerbase too much? I dunno. Kinda bummed I was too busy to play when TBC was live and there's no way to play it now.
I enjoy healing in ffxiv. Dps is not fun; I don’t get much enjoyment from pushing 30 different buttons, all of which could be summed up by “do more damage”
I like tanking. It's as easy as DPSing but you get to feel important and everyone loves you and showers you in comms.
I joined WoW back during BC and played until the end of WotLK. I didn't much like the changes Cata brought with it and quickly lost interest.
I was feeling nostalgic and rembered WoW Classic was a thing so I thought I'd give it a run for nostalgia. I thought WoW Classic had like Vanilla, BC, AND WotlK servers so I was pretty bummed out to learn that they are all turning into cata soon.
It seems that most people feel about the same on FFXIV
It was good until it wasn't, aka, it was good until you realize that it's like a day at the office
Everything is the same always
Log in on patch day, do main story, dungeon, trial, 8 or 24man raid depending on patch
Dawntrail needs to really revive this game
I enjoy healing in ffxiv. Dps is not fun; I don’t get much enjoyment from pushing 30 different buttons, all of which could be summed up by “do more damage”
I agree with this when it comes to content you already know like the back of your hand
Being healer keeps your brain more engaged since there's a lot more variables that go into each fight
Team gets hit by aoes, someone has bad gear and takes more damage than you expected, something goes wrong etc etc
As DPS you just go through the motions
I agree with this when it comes to content you already know like the back of your hand
Being healer keeps your brain more engaged since there's a lot more variables that go into each fight
Team gets hit by aoes, someone has bad gear and takes more damage than you expected, something goes wrong etc etc
As DPS you just go through the motions
I've never liked healing. It makes me feel like a tard wrangler. I much prefer tanking since it makes me feel like I'm in charge and the main character.
As a healer, it does feel I'm tard wrangling, specially the stupid tank that decides to draw the aggro of the entire dungeon for no reason in a single fight
Yeah that's me. I'm him. It's two trash pulls and then the boss basically every single dungeon. You can handle it lmao. If you mean those super low level dungeons from ARR I don't ever run those any more.
Dumb homosexual tanks are supposed to pull wall to wall. Not everyone wants to wait 40 minutes to clear aurum vale because you don't know how to play your job as a healer.
This speedrunning mentality is why I stopped playing this genre. I want to have challenging fights where every mob poses a real danger, not a swarm of flies that we try to anchor in place so we can AOE swat them on repeat.
People say this, but then b***h whenever DRKs demand buffs for their job >no one cares about dungeon content bro, it's not important
DRKs literally cannot tank wall to wall.
Not pulling wall to wall is just dumb, especially in the latter dungeons that are specifically designed for it.
Use the trust system if you want to afk play.
paladin is far and away my favorite job. I love saving sprouts with cover and clemency. I also love when toxic healers leave over the smallest insignificance and we just finish the dungeon at about the same rate
Yep, warrior takes a lot more heat because they are 10% more braindead but paladins are just as invulnerable. In addition, the warrior can really only keep one dps alive, a paladin can keep both
I quit 14 because I was getting board and I didn't like endwalker I probably won't be back for 14. I really hate how some of the classes are. I fricking hate barcher.
currently playing super adventure box in GW2. >Tribulation mode
Frick me sideways, I can't believe devs put an I wanna be the guy tier game into their MMO as an april fools prank.
It's not like the old days man, the genre is dying out there aren't many to choose from anymore.
There are only a few that are still being actively developed on and getting new content, and you can only play private servers of old MMOs for so long before you get bored.
It takes years and a truckload of manpower to make a new MMORPG
No company wants to take the risk, especially in the current climate of constant layoffs
They barely have enough money to feed their bottomlessly hungry share holders, let alone to undertake a risk as big as an MMORPG
Well yeah? Because those are the mmo's that have active populations. I'd throw ESO in there too but I almost never see anyone really talking about it as an MMO.
Because it's shit.
Unless you're an autistic TES superfan and will devour anything related to the setting regardless of quality, I couldn't really recommend it to anyone.
It's strange that's all, ESO had it's 10 year anniversary, the producer for that game said it's brought in $2billion over it's lifetime and still bringing in over $200-$300million a year, but it's got almost no presence online? Maybe it does and I just haven't seen it, it is far harder to see anything about it than those other mmo's I see stuff about FF14 and WoW everywhere.
It's strange that's all, ESO had it's 10 year anniversary, the producer for that game said it's brought in $2billion over it's lifetime and still bringing in over $200-$300million a year, but it's got almost no presence online? Maybe it does and I just haven't seen it, it is far harder to see anything about it than those other mmo's I see stuff about FF14 and WoW everywhere.
i really wanted to like ESO. i was expecting skyrim but multiplayer. it would have been an upgrade to have skyrim but multiplayer
ESO does one thing right, gearing. It's horizontal in that you collect sets for their affixes like the MMOs were pre-wow. Everything is scaled to an item level so the set bonuses and gear collecting makes it feel like the rpg part of the MMO is present. It's just the combat is terrible as it's designed for consoles foremost.
Late reply is late, but good luck getting any GW2 thread to actually talk about the game.
30% of any given GW2 thread consists of Anon who haven't played in 10+ years whining about how it's shit, 30% is jaded oldgays who've never even played GW2 jerking-off the original, 30% are replies to obvious polbait which gets bitten by morons every single time, and like MAYBE 5-10% is actual discussion of the game itself in [current year]. It's so fricking tiresome. >Verification not required.
I reinstalled it a month ago after quitting at launch out of boredom and it was still awful so I uninstalled again, it's a big shame that Charr are trapped in such a shit game
I played runescape since 2006 to 2012 with some breaks started OSRS in 2013 up until 2016 then played runescape 3 from 2016 to 2017 started OSRS TO 2019 quit it in 2021 played runescape 3 again in 2021 to 2022 and currently have no will to play it anymore
i miss when anons would constantly post green text stories and text screen caps of drama. it's like everyone is now scared of doing so for some reason.
no
last one I played was FFXIV shadowbringers
I hope the itch never comes back, but I really want to grind something again I can minimize and ignore every couple minutes
No and I never will again until we get Sword Art Online tier VR which won't happen in my lifetime so I guess I will never play MMOs again.
Social media was the death of MMOs and only VR like in SAO could possibly revive it.
Classic WoW is the most homoerotic shit I've ever seen in my life. A bunch of grown men of ambiguous race in their late 20s constantly shouting about "pumping" with each other.
I just wanted to fight Quilboar and mine some copper.
>Yes, it's the most anti-social MMO out there.
I've played 15 years of WoW and 0 seconds of FF14 and will still die on the hill that you're wrong.
I tried WoW's Season of Discovery, and the entire time I leveled and played, I never had a single social interaction beyond a guy telling me to kill myself for looting a battered chest near Hogger that had 2 Silverleaf and some tough jerky.
You didn't do dungeons or group quests or anything?
After a couple runs of SFK as a healer helping people get their pre-bis, that was probably the first time in years I've actually had people add me to their friends list and ask me if I wanted to come play with them whenever I was on. Also got invited to a guild and got to do the raid with them.
My realm shriveled up and died anyways, but I had a lot of interactions in the first month.
I started after they raised the cap to 40, and while yes, I helped people and ran a few dungeons, everyone either left without a word or would simply say "see you guys around" or something tame.
Everyone's experiences vary wildly, but almost everyone I personally encountered was very much geared towards level cap and Gnomer, with no time on the way to stop and chat.
In that same regard, I saw an alarming number of multiboxers and bots on the way up also, which shocked me seeing as how populated the realms are.
Ah, yeah that was probably why.
I started day one of phase one and the atmosphere was completely different. Nobody was geared and everyone was still out leveling and shit, the Barrens were fricking packed and every contested zone was a bloodbath.
Had a feeling it wouldn't last but had some good times before I dipped out at least.
Pre-WoW MMOs = Grouping is required.
WoW Classic = Grouping is not required, but heavily recommended.
WoW Retail = You can group or not, play however you want.
FF14 = Grouping is actively discouraged, most of the game is single-player story quests. You can't do these in a party.
No but I miss dark age of camelot. Keep sieges, thridranki faste, heck even grinding the dungeons with a party was a blast and don't even get me started on darkness falls. There was this class that summoned different types of mushroom sentries, and another that summoned a pet that summoned its own pets that could heal, cast spells/buffs, and melee. That game had the best magic class I've ever played in a game. Now all we got are stagnant flavors of dps/healer/tank and nothing else and everyone is solo and there are cutscenes now? Don't know how you kids bear through it.
Do you guys have to keep your love for Alisae a secret in FFXIV too? Everyone keeps accusing me of being a pedo every time they find out. For frick's sake.
There are some positives to being born English, but I'd much rather live in the U.S. these days, believe me as bad as things might seem over there with your politics and shit, it's nothing compared to here. Your country is so big if shit gets bad enough you can find some empty land in some overlooked state and live a peaceful life, no chance of that here in England, our country is the size of Florida with a population of 65-70million. I'll just say, there are problems here.
I doomed myself to not really care about endgame content, because I realized the gear in this game doesn't really matter outside of savage and ultimates
I think for me how I handled the lack of grind, the grind is still there but it's handled differently. Let me explain. We all know getting Bis is relatively straight forward, get your gear in Savage or catch-up in Alliance, relic weapon through manderville.
But for me, I found the grind in getting the exact glam and armor for my guy.
Doing content specifically for glam, I really wanted the Warrior of light Paladin sword and shield to complete my Wol gear set from ARR,
I set up a group in PF for Seat of Sacrifive Ex, and got my gear and a mount after around 20 pulls, learned the fight and had fun.
I did Paglathan dungeon run for the Fending armour gear as it looks so fricking cool on my Warrior.
I'm saying I found my grind, and it's in getting gear sets that go with the exact look that I want for my guy, some of the gear is locked behind Savages and Extremes so I'm going through looking up specifically where to find the gear I want, set up PF's and grind it out. I've been having fun.
Yep, wow enjoyer here because the rest play like absolute dogshit
I don't know what kind of wizards wrote wow's combat, but nothing comes close to the instant feedback you get in this game
It beats many single player games too in responsiveness
I raided in WoW and wasn't impressed, what's the point in having fluid combat if the combat encounters (raids) are designed around weak auras? I think that's a really bad design philosophy, requiring addons for a fight at that point I'm out. The game is playing itself, I'm just there as a responding to a Simon Says.
It's a common complaint but if Blizzard ever took steps to cull addons and stop balancing the game around them all of the Mythic raiders would riot in the streets.
it's RO but more p2w and balanced against poopsock guilds. Has botting as a feature (auto-grind) and encourages 2boxing with auto-follow in party
, It's more of a modern mobile MMO adaptation of RO. If you have played any of them recently, it's just like all of them, but RO flavored
but is it GOOD
Depends of what you're looking for. if you just want something that kinda, sorta, feels like a modern take on RO, it can be fun for a bit, even if it's just to check some locations and stuff. But it is REALLY a mobile MMO and if any hint of that is bad for you, then you'll hate it. I personally don't like it, but you can do whatever you want.
Blue Archive chibis are so damn good, what I would not give for it to be any other genre
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Same. Gachas are too demanding time wise, I'd pay 60 for, dunno, anything that wasn't a live service. Frick it I'd pay 60 for a turn based JRPG that just did the game story but with actual cutscenes and not just VN style stuff
i wish lalas had the same chibi power as maple story 2 did. i mean lalas are cute, but there's something about the koreans that have the perfect ratio of cute and sexy
>I want an MMO with cute Chibis.
I was poking around Steam yesterday and found this https://store.steampowered.com/app/2241570/Legend_of_Edda_Pegasus/ no clue if it's any good though
i felt bad giving Blizz 9 for the month sub but I tried the Battle Royale and levelled a couple old Legion characters to 60, was suprised how fast it is, literally like an afternoon. Might give MoP remix a try seeing as you can level to 70 in that without buying the expacs.
It is both an MMO and a Minecraft server called "Monumenta". The backbone of the game is an adventure through about twenty very large dungeons that take about four hours (average first clear time).
The big selling point of it compared to other Minecraft MMOs is how it still uses the strengths of Minecraft as a base game. Primarily Survival mode rather than Adventure. And it's purely PVE and Co-op. No PVP.
I've put hundreds of hours into it in the last few years. Hope you have fun if you try it out.
dang, a pvp/pve town/nation building minecraft mmo server I played in 2014 called atherys ascended was probably the coolest mmo I ever played with how sandboxy it was with player built towns and decently balanced fantasy classes, minecraft is still an underrated vehicle for mmos to be built in even 10 years later
Compared to agent and Sith warrior? Ehhh, I felt they were pretty bland in comparison. Smuggler is okay I guess, but Sith Warrior blows Jedi Knight and Consular out of the water.
Trooper is just a lot of YES SIR NO SIR jarhead type shit, didn't appeal to me as much.
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Good to know, I'll stick with Sith and Agent stuff for now. Thanks.
I want to but they either don't have servers close enough to where I live that I can play them in a way I would like to or they're just shit or not at all what I'm looking for.
>click 1 2 3 4 >repeat off cooldown till whatever you're fighting is dead
as soon as theres an mmo that isn't mind numbing button mashing and avoiding circles then i'd probably play it
>an mmo that isn't mind numbing button mashing >wouldn't call autoattacking and waiting for something to happen engaging
Which one is it? Do you want ADHD button mashing or not?
Posts like this make me feel so happy I'm not a zoomer. I'd ask you to name what MMOs you even know about prior to WoW but we both know you'll just Google them and pretend you had the knowledge already.
There have been a few that didn't follow tab targeting combat. There's ESO is the common one, there's GuildWars2, if you wanted a recent MMO that didn't have tab targeting there was New World.
So what are you waiting for?
I wish it was just 4 keys, bullshit like ffxiv wants you to use 20+ keybinds because japanese autist game designers can go frick themselves and learn from bdo or gw2
I still play the game so your filter didn't work miyamoto, the problem is there is no justifiable reason to use 20 keybinds on anything other than an autistic simulator game and the only reason it's the case in ffxiv is because japanese peogramming
Once a week when my group raids and never outside of that.
But that's basically the MMO version of "multiplayer makes any game fun".
Any MMOs I genuinely had fun playing on my own or with randoms are dead.
I bounce between WoW, XIV, and ESO
WoW has the best dungeons and raids
ESO has the best community and side activities
XIV has
uh
breasts I guess? not really sure why I still play it honestly, I've been kinda bummed out about it
How is it? I played the beta and the constant server issues made me forget about it. Also the fact that it basically felt like a chill single player game but had a forced turn timer that didn't let me pause it
This was my same experience with Waven. I jumped through the server issue loops, but eventually dropped it because I felt it lacked social interaction / community. It doesn't help that I'm not into gacha shit, and this game's gear/skill progression is gated behind gacha shit.
Subbed to 14, but I haven't played in a while except to load in once in a while just to frick around and kill time. I think my character only progressed up to 6.2 or 6.3 stuff.
Been playing WoW over the past half-year. Probably going to try out the Mythic plus thing this week or next. But I'm just questing in the vanilla zones, wanting to go back through the old content. In Desolace right now.
Using my 75 smn to teleport to elemental crystals to help clear smn unlocks for new ppl is a good memory for me. Are you soloing lvl 20 or getting help?
I currently play Dragon Quest X
I highly recommend it if you have some friends who are also willing. The game was more or less designed to be played entirely through with friends. There isn't anything that's forced to be done solo. You can do every main quest, vocation quest, side quest with friends together, and everyone progresses. It's really neat. The classes are fun too. I never cared for dragon quest but I think I'm coming around because of X. It's a great game bros please play it.
Taking a break from FFXIV until DT comes out, since I got everything to 90 and most of the content from AAR to EW finished.
With Shadowbringers and Stormblood, I felt more compelled to continue playing since the post-launch content was pretty good. With Endwalker though, I haven't felt any real desire to engage with it's post-launch content in any meaningful capacity.
I wish I could play XIV again, but there are too many bad memories attached to it because of my ex.
Love the game. But I just break down trying to play it anymore
>getting on well with a girl i met in game >planning our eternal bond ceremony, really happy >she has great taste in vidya and her character is super cute, she likes to do light roleplay romance scenes between our WoLs >suddenly get hit with a ban >???? >investigate >SE support says i've been sending inappropriate messages to someone and my account is perma'd >legacy account gone just like that >notice girl has me blocked on discord now >heart sinks
I'm worried. She said her cousin is extremely controlling and has a history of abuse. She has mild autism so I'm really worried for her safety and think this guy might be taking advantage of her. What do I do Gankerros?
anon right here just proved my point. Don't ever, EVER get into "relationships" with people in MMOs. Don't EVER join FCs. Especially ones with lots of women in them. >b-but those stories about people getting married IRL over MMO relationships
Yeah, those are called exceptions. And exceptions don't disprove the rule, dipshit. Ever.
This. I thought I would marry the girl I met on WoW a few years ago. Turns out she’s a complete schizophrenic psycho who believes that she had a relationship with a dead serial killer
That Anon is a moron or a liar. I am leaning on the latter, since no sensible person posts something like that and then ASKS FOR ADVICE ON Ganker AND says "/v/ros."
But at the same time, you are at the opposite end, being a jaded butthole demanding everyone else be as miserable as you.
It's fine to join guilds in any game.
It's fine to interact with people.
It's acceptable to form connections with people you find interesting.
And this is the important part, practice safe Internet usage.
Do not use heavily-moderated in-game chats to interact in vulgar, sexual, or creepy ways. You're just going to get slapped. Take that shit to private messaging platforms.
If you plan to interact with people, don't use overly vulgar character names unless they're at least a little funny. Buttsausage? Fine. BigDickRichard? Maybe. FrickingBastard? No.
Learn to take a step back and assess the situation. If something is too good to be true, it often is. Be patient, you can continue to be friendly and even loving and whatnot, but be cautious and look for red flags like money/image begging, dodging questions, broken English when a discussion gets complicated, etc.
TL;DR: DON'T BE moronic.
>That Anon is a moron or a liar. I am leaning on the latter, since no sensible person posts something like that and then ASKS FOR ADVICE ON Ganker AND says "/v/ros." >But at the same time, you are at the opposite end, being a jaded butthole demanding everyone else be as miserable as you. >It's fine to join guilds in any game. >It's fine to interact with people. >It's acceptable to form connections with people you find interesting. >And this is the important part, practice safe Internet usage. >Do not use heavily-moderated in-game chats to interact in vulgar, sexual, or creepy ways. You're just going to get slapped. Take that shit to private messaging platforms. >If you plan to interact with people, don't use overly vulgar character names unless they're at least a little funny. Buttsausage? Fine. BigDickRichard? Maybe. FrickingBastard? No. >Learn to take a step back and assess the situation. If something is too good to be true, it often is. Be patient, you can continue to be friendly and even loving and whatnot, but be cautious and look for red flags like money/image begging, dodging questions, broken English when a discussion gets complicated, etc. >TL;DR: DON'T BE moronic.
I play Final Fantasy XI 75% guideless. There's just something about getting lost, not know what the FRICK I'm doing, and getting random quests by just talking to strangers. I occasionally look at the guide though just because I SHOULD get going in the story.
The lack of quality of life most MMOs (or video games in general) have these days makes every achievement feel a little bit more special. It's probably why I gravitate towards older games in general.
i don't recall this many letters from the producer the last time but yeah normally leading up to an expac is pretty jam-packed with media shit and in-game events
The number of events is similar but I think they used to be more spread out rather than jammed into the last two months. Maybe I'm misremembering.
And the mog tome event is normally just the one that runs for a very long time rather than two separate ones like they've done in the DT lead up.
based tooner. the 1.3 update got me hooked into the game all over again, then I started doing the overclocked CLO and had a blast with that. poor old TTR can't compare
I'm firmly torn between fanta-ing my potato and making an ideal hrothgal or just seeing if DT has more aesthetic pieces that make it harder to say goodbye to my potato. The free fanta makes the decision easier, but frick is this a tricky one.
I will play dawntrail but I am currently unsubbed and have been for like 4-5 months. Will resub closer to expansion release but there's frick all reason to sub until then.
I'd love to join an FC if I got invited by someone I played with in a duty or something but all I ever get is random invites from people who only see my name without an FC tag
I met a girl (female) doing FATEs in Ultima Thule and she invited me into her LS group full of chill people and no drama. Found out later that she actually lives in the same town as me. The world sure is small.
Wow is dead to me and I hate the aesthetic style of ff14, I'll just wait till GW3 but right now i've played just about all the semi active MMOs that exist. A damn shame that Age of Conan died how it did.
No, I dropped Guild Wars 2 when it tried to scam me with a battle pass pretending to be an early access expansion and I haven't touched an MMO game since.
Starting playing XIV and caught up on my MSQ
I don't really care about leveling other classes so I'm bored at this point. Started leveling another character on my friends datacenter but I find it hard to grind out ARR for more than an hour or two at a time.
No, there is nothing worth playing right now. I'm just waiting for new MMOs like Archeage 2, Chrono Odyssey and AoC. Guess there is Ghost and that Riot MMO as well but they're too far away to be excited about.
Wow is dead to me and I hate the aesthetic style of ff14, I'll just wait till GW3 but right now i've played just about all the semi active MMOs that exist. A damn shame that Age of Conan died how it did.
I've been waiting with everyone for mmo sequels for 10 years now and it's painful knowing its still another 10 before they're even on the table for release, im actually getting too old to be waiting decades for this shit
I sometimes still play WoW because it fits like a glove even if the glove has been scooping manure then covered in rainbow glitter
Can't stand any other mmo, they all feel 'wrong' with movement/skills/netcode etc
Maybe I could be convinced to play eve online again but I only enjoyed the pve missions way back in the day, gate camping/mining/piracy all sucked
Currently screwing around on a TERA private server (Starscape). Before that, it was catching-up on Vindictus after a 10+ year break, and before that, GW2.
It's still novel for now, as I didn't get to play much of TERA when it was officially alive. Although I can't help but feel a lurking sense of "what's the point" about pouring much time into it, since it's not as if there will ever be any truly new content added to the game at this point. Plus, the private server will forever be a full 1-2 years worth of major patches behind where the official servers ended (v100 instead of v110), which is kind of lame.
Genre's dead, so circling around the same old titles is just expected at this point.
>private server
Have fun, but they all end the same way. Literal troony cliques worming the way into becoming gms, favoritism / arbitrary bans of people they don’t like, a hrt induced meltdown, and then total deletion of the server.
>Started playing FFXIV about 14 months ago >Played as midlander for the MSQ up to Stormblood then played abit of Au'ra >Met a bunch of decent albeit strange people and swapped to playing lala >Can't go back, I've fallen in love with lala
Not even in a creepy sexual way, they're just cute and their animations and voices are great. Running around and tanking things 100x bigger than you and making stupid noises is weirdly entertaining.
I'll never use the short race after getting cucked out of a major item from a quest chain as a gnome because the huge ass boss monster died on slightly elevated platform causing it to be legitimately impossible for me to collect. It was at the end of a long ass group quest chain that the party I was with had no interest in going through it again.
Took me hours to get back to that point.
It can't happen in XIV due to the way the game is set up but that shit still burns deep
I'm going to resub to FF14 tomorrow. Do FF16 event, get level 25 in PVP for the amor set, do yokai watch event, do moogle event for whatever shit we get, level some jobs to 90. Just casual shit. Not going to raid or try hard.
does fallout 76 count as an mmo? if so, yes
otherwise, I did actually fire up my trial account for wow a couple months ago, played an alt to 20, dumped the game again
>nearly completely disillusioned with xiv >decide to try another mmo in the lead up to dawntrail >install [redacted] >the cutscenes have more animation in the starting zones than current endwalker cutscenes >the game actually has elemental resistances and exploits >support is a completely viable playstyle >the cash shop exists, but is tied to the yen so everything is objectively cheaper >when you do buy shit they give you a percentage back as coins to spend anyway >outfits can be bought as a bundle for a reduced price or bought in individual pieces which xiv would never fricking do you WILL buy the whole set for a pair of fricking gloves >free for a significant portion of the game >no morons polluting my game with their drama >no modbeasts throwing fits in chat >runs well >looks good even in early zones >actually plays like a [redacted] game >classes actually feel varied and unique >classes actually have skills that make you feel like you matter in a party >objectively better casino and fishing >objectively better pve content to get involved with friends >uses the fricking CRYSTAL TOOLS engine, proving every single excuse shat out by 14 for over a decade about "engine limitations" and "spaghetti code" is complete and total horseshit to cover for gross incompetence
I am actually so pissed that I did not try this sooner. I don't know if I even want to come back.
thanks for reading my blog.
>SE converts FFXIV into lowest-common-denominator WoWslop to recapture the western audience >Massively successful >The objectively better and far more interesting MMO of DQX remains stranded in Japan to this day
I didn't come here to feel, Anon.
Capcom also had a few MMOs that they refused to release outside of Japan, I don't understand why Japs do this 'secrit club' shit for no reason. Capcom rather shut down their MMOs instead of porting them to the west, and they did.
dragon quest 10 is fully playable and nearly fully translated barring the latest expansion. dragons dogma online has private servers in development and is playable to this day if you spin up a server.
Because that's more staff they gotta pay, more datacenter rent/utility bills they gotta pay, more localizer contractor costs they gotta pay
It's very expensive to bring an MMO to other territories.
Also, the domestic version might have collabs with brands/IPs that they'd also need to pay licensing for in the west and whereever else, and depending on who owns the distribution rights already for a given property outside of its home country that can be a headache legally and financially
COG just plain hated foreigners though, for MHF they actually had staff posing as foreigners to infiltrate groups hopping the IP block and they'd all get banned
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
If releasing MMOs globally wasn't profitable then nobody would do it, but they do. Because it's usually profitable.
Japan don't because they're autistic or something.
>only just now
I've been lamenting every homogenization change since the removal of tp. I think I've just finally become completely apathetic and jaded towards wowclone style mmos. I played 11 for the first time a year or two ago and it recaptured the sense of scale, wonder, and exploration that I recall being what made me love the genre in the first place. And I'm experiencing it again with another, similar mmo right now.
A more fitting name would be "remix" rather than "hard mode", they tend to take you through a different route through the dungeon, and naturally all the regular enemies and bosses are different (you tend to be there for a different purpose in a different context and time, after all).
A more fitting name would be "remix" rather than "hard mode", they tend to take you through a different route through the dungeon, and naturally all the regular enemies and bosses are different (you tend to be there for a different purpose in a different context and time, after all).
Yes, they're worth it plus some have really cool lore and small stories you can completely miss if you just run through them. The example if Wanderer's Palace.
i resubbed to 14 to finish up 6.1-6.55 and its so fricking boring. it took like 1 minute to remember my completely linear rotation and all the content is braindead.
also playing some WoW and quite enjoying it. didn't touch Plunder Storm but now i'm furiously trying to catch up because the pirate set is really nice. already got to R27 or something in 1 week, got about another week to finish up R40, then Season 4, then Pandaria remix memes, and then a new expansion. things are looking pretty good even though War Within doesn't seem exciting at all, but all the feature changes and the devs getting off their lazy asses is good.
>too hard
it could not be more mind numbingly boring if it tried what the frick are you on about. reaper is a 1 2 3 combo then hitting an ogcd that gives you meter, hitting one of two alternating FLASHING NEON BUTTONS depending on being behind the enemy or on their side, and then you spend your meter on mashing the same two buttons with an ogcd between. that's all the fricking job is. the only time reaper was ever interesting was before they nerfed arcane crest because you could do some silly stuff with its original mitigation values.
Tab target mmo rotations sure. It's pretty different when you move on from that specific genre. The second you move to something that actually takes into account resistances, elements, and types of damage things become significantly more interesting.
I agree, more recent MMO figured themselves out of tab targeting (then again Gw2 came out shortly after Ff14 and still managed action combat)
Lost Ark was particularly fun but the good gameplay (notably raid) was wrapped with the most dog shit typical Korean MMO grind and ruined it all for me.
>More recent MMO's figured themselves out of tab targeting
Out of popularity as well, it's no coincidence the two most played and popular MMO's in the World use tab targeting.
Look at the state of New World, it's entire population plays on steam, it's a very recent MMO with Amazon money behind it, it uses more action focused combat and dropped tab targeting.
Like I said pic related is the entire population of New World, World wide as of two minutes ago.
You can look up the population for FF14 on steam, which is the smallest place for that game where people launch the game from(it has a dedicated launcher most of the player base use), and it has a population of 16k right now.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Since you typed a whole paragraph I'll give you a (You) but sadly I don't fall for bait.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Bait
How is that bait? It's literally what happened is happening, look it up for yourself.
>dark souls online >the most boring fricking combat of the last decade and a half mired with mmo elements
thank god that doesn't fricking exist holy shit.
Disingenuous Black person, I hate tab target MMOs. You're a fricking zoomer who can't even name an MMO pre-World of Warcraft. You were still a fricking zygote when the genre was still good.
Not that anon, but heres a non exhaustive list
Final Fantasy 11
Dragons Dogma Online
Dungeons and Dragons Online
Everquest on a fresh prog server
Dragon Quest 10
Every single one of these games has more depth than wow, explicitly more varied gameplay, and accomplishes all of this while retaining their own unique charm.
>r1, roll, weapon art, roll, roll, roll, r2, roll is interesting
Dark souls is barely serviceable as an rpg. It's the most boring, languid combat I've ever played, and while it was fun for a game or two, it has overstayed it's welcome and worse, poisoned the fricking well of rpg's trying to copy it. it's the world of warcraft of rpgs. and that's not a fricking compliment.
You're wrong, it's infinitely more interesting than whatever turn-based or click to autohit MMO garbage combat people in here are promoting.
MMO combat needs to become more skillbased and less stat driven, they need to appeal to audiences that like high intensity action over standing around idling and doing mundane grindy shit like you guys are into.
MMOs died by trying to appeal to sweaty skillbased shit. Why would anyone looking for a skillbased game go to an mmo when they could just play league, valorant, csgo, etc. MMOs are at their best when combat is easy to get in to, but has a high enough ceiling to allow for creativity.
Dark souls is carried by its environments. It’s combat is mediocre, and it’s lore is nonsensical. Memorizing attack patterns to roll is just as much ddr, except with one solution to every pattern and harsh punishments for latency. Journalists are easily memed into thinking they are punishingly hard, but in reality the fights are just tedious
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
They're unironically some of the best games ever created and MMO developers should take notes like everyone else.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Explain why dark souls is good without using a single buzzword. Then explain how the mmo genre would benefit in any capacity by taking notes from it. Ideally without using buzzwords on that part as well.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
these attacks and movements don't work very well in an online environment
just look at dark souls pvp pure rock paper scissors latency jank
>Somewhat interested in seeing how XIV's Viper and Pictomancer will play >Know they're just gonna be shoehorned into the same grossly dull, narrow, and boring playstyle as every other DPS in that game, just with different particle effects
Ugh.
If you're fine with the pace being closer to something like the 6th gen Ninja Gaiden titles rather than Souls, Vindictus fits that bill.
Current-year Vindi is honestly pretty great, right up until you hit the inevitable KMMO pay2win wall, and your equipment progression grinds to a halt. Fun stuff until then, at least. Its combat model has still yet to be topped, even a decade on (which is moreso telling of how agonizingly stagnant the genre has become, granted).
The problem with vindictus is that it isn't really an MMO at all, it's just a lobby game where you queue for tiny instances all the time.
Someone should make something like New World but with good combat and mechanics.
That's unfortunately true, but it's slim pickings when it comes to MMOs with actually-good combat out there.
Only real entry in the genre which MIGHT come close to the ideal of "good action combat + decent community which isn't entirely on Discord and actually uses in-game chat every now and then" is GW2, but that's obviously a pretty divisive title on these boards.
Generally speaking, however, you gotta choose one or the other. An MMO-feeling MMO with boring as hell combat like XIV, or something where combat is king at the expense of virtually everything else, such as in many KMMOs out there. Unless you're a FFXI chad, but good luck breaking into that title without an existing friends group or Linkshell to join for the ride.
I'd rather just wait for new MMOs than booting up any of these awful games again, the hope that someone will eventually get it right in the future is good enough for me.
>lobby game
superior form of MMOs
open world is mostly just novelty that wormed into the minds of people for various reasons, but from gameplay viewpoint it's usually useless or a hindrance even
It's hard to go to a lobby game when you've experienced a seamless world full of players going about their business. Emergent interactions between players can happen in a seamless open world, conflicts that lead to pvp, hardships that lead to cooperation. That stuff can never happen in a lobby game.
it's a big can of worms >PvP
unfair sides, ganking, mob tagging, disproportionate rewards, players collaborating on the server to trade PvP for the rewards >speaking of MOBs
how silly is that these enemies just stand around in the world doing nothing, they barely have any agency, they are just there for you to slaughter, most of the time effortlessly >hardships to coop
what hardships really? these mindless mobs? well if you increase their difficulty then you gotta decide if you still want to cater to solo or casual players
do you want to risk losing those players, those sales? what if people just blob up and steamroll whatever content there is in the open world(see guild wars 2 "trains")? how do you fix that?
I think open world is just a flawed design which is only propped up by novelties like the emergent interactions you mentioned, but most of the time the games are not built around those, they don't utilize those to enhance gameplay and those are just by-products of how the game works otherwise.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Having some of those novel interactions is better than having none in a souless lobby game.
Most problems you've mentioned aren't inherent problems of an open world, for example it's not like you can't have npcs with agency in an open world.
Unfair sides and ganking in pvp is part of the fun, it's not an arena for arranged fights, it's a sporadic and ever shifting landscape. You need to take precautions, make arrangements and cooperate with others to gain advantages.
This kind of stuff is, or at least used to be the lifeblood of the genre until a bunch of no-fun PvE homosexuals showed up and made everything about killing dumb monsters by yourself.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
everything you said sounds great in theory but always sucks shit in practice every time
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Most likely because you refuse to play the games the way they're meant to be played, you go in like a lone wolf and get shit on by people that party up and game the systems. Many such cases.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I've ran a big zerg with a guild and a sweaty leader yelling nonstop for an hour obliterating everything in sight literally two weeks ago it's not as amazing of an experience as you sell it
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>what if people just blob up and steamroll whatever content there is in the open world(see guild wars 2 "trains")? how do you fix that?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Don't reward players for steamrolling content in a zerg?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
So you want a game where grouping up is not rewarded and lone wolf farming is the intended playstyle? Make up your mind bud
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
There's a middle ground between solo play and zerging, design your game better.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah, it's called instanced dungeons/raids.
Preferably with a raid finder (lobby) system.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
but then they just split up to coordinated smaller groups and the content is always consumed by just one group of players at a time or if pvp is an option then maybe even fought over
some players might like it and some not, depending on what the content is then it even affects the ingame economy, leveling progress and so on
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
forgot to add: if you are decreasing the number of players that can engage in a specific content at a given time then aren't you making work like a lobby-based game already?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't see any problems with this really.
forgot to add: if you are decreasing the number of players that can engage in a specific content at a given time then aren't you making work like a lobby-based game already?
I'm not really decreasing their numbers though, just influencing their actions via the reward system.
Like if having 100 players for a world boss doesn't make the fight any easier or yield any more rewards than having 20 players, then 20 players would be a preferable group size. Perhaps the boss gets exponentially harder if there are more players fighting it making it impossible to defeat it unless there are around 20-30 players doing the fight. Guilds would need to band together to chase off other players or come to agreements on a turn order.
Shit like this makes a social game interesting.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I'm not really decreasing their numbers though, just influencing their actions via the reward system.
But you do? Even in your example you are limiting the number to 20. Yeah sure the rest can go play PvP. If they want to, if PvP is even good, if they are not just trading the kill with the other guild.
honestly I feel like that a guild getting monopoly on this would be a huge issue and even cause loss of playerbase
I don't know, anon, I have yet to see a game with such deeply embedded social interactions to be greatly successful in the long run.
Also to turn back a bit, how does this necessitate the open world design anyway? I really feel like you are getting a lot of problems out of it, that then you have to solve and only getting a niché thing in return
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
So if you're not in the #1 guild doing boss rotas you never get to fight it.
If you were smarter you'd instance the boss and basically invent 20 man raids, but you weren't and now your shit game is dead for it
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>everything you said sounds great in theory but always sucks shit in practice every time
I played EQ on Tallon Zek, I agree that is was very fun, but also really not suitable for modern mmo players and the level moderation they’ve come to expect. The nearest equivalent in modern gaming is Rust.
Most likely because you refuse to play the games the way they're meant to be played, you go in like a lone wolf and get shit on by people that party up and game the systems. Many such cases.
If you want this kind of ultra-griefing open world pvp, play rust. Adding to to a game like xiv would substantially reduce its player base (probably by over 90%).
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I never said anything about XIV, it's a safe haven for lobby standing, erp spamming carebears that grind and queue instances all day. Those kinds of players aren't compatible with fun.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
but why would a lobby game be soulless? see monster hunter hubs, a lobby could still act like any city in an open world mmo, it's just when you leave it you enter an instanced area better tailored to it's purpose, for example a 5 man dungeon with proper encounter and enemy difficulty tuned to 5 players. honestly it could even have an instanced open world like zone for those emergent pvp interactions, but it could be more contained and specifically made with that goal in mind >it's not like you can't have npcs with agency in an open world.
Which MMOs have that? > at least used to be the lifeblood of the genre until a bunch of no-fun PvE homosexuals showed up and made everything about killing dumb monsters by yourself.
yeah when the open world ONLINE gameplay was a new thing and most players were clueless idiots who had difficulty handling combat in a game like WoW
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>and most players were clueless idiots who had difficulty handling combat in a game like WoW
Combat difficulty in early WoW and most older games came from the numbers, not the mechanics. Sure there were some edge cases with kiting and such but in general you had to assess if your character was strong enough to take on a given encounter and if it was then you'd be fine as long as you pressed a couple buttons on time. People had difficulty assessing the encounters correctly. In time this was dumbed down to the extent that regular encounters didn't need to be assessed.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Combat difficulty in early WoW and most older games came from the numbers, not the mechanics
No, there were many more things that could occur and less ways to resolve those problems. Combat was slower, but because it was in a shared environment, you’d have pathing mobs, respawns, adds (yes, in old mmos mobs would stare dumbly as you massacred their friends and would gang up on you), etc. Also they would chase you forever, rather than for 40 yards before getting bored.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you’d have pathing mobs, respawns, adds
I'd argue that this is part of assessing the encounter. If you play a game for a bit you're bound to start learning this stuff and start considering it as you pull mobs. You spin your camera, pay attention to patrols, consider the respawn timers of the mobs you or others have killed recently.
Old games that had mobs follow you to the zoneline that fact made mispulls far more dangerous as being able to escape was less likely but that simply affects how you assess encounters.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>This kind of stuff is, or at least used to be the lifeblood of the genre until a bunch of no-fun PvE homosexuals showed up and made everything about killing dumb monsters by yourself.
so you could just kill dumb monsters by yourself the same if you assessed the encounter correctly
how is this unique to open world design anyway? in a lobby based game you could just gather a group, INTERACT with OTHER PLAYERS, and go together. no soul in that?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're quoting someone else while replying to me so I don't quite follow. I didn't say anything about soul.
MMOs and lobby games are different. Soul or soulless is an entirely different discussion. I don't think a lobby game is inherently soulless. I'm personally a big fan of MH series and PSO. Modern lobby "MMO" games are pretty soulless though.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
well, sorry, it's been part of the reply-chain you joined
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>but most of the time the games are not built around those, they don't utilize those to enhance gameplay and those are just by-products of how the game works otherwise.
That's because modern "MMO" design is shit. It's true that the open world in games like XIV has no purpose because the game isn't designed to utilize it.
We need to go back to the open world focused design. No instances, those belong in lobby based games.
It's hard to go to a lobby game when you've experienced a seamless world full of players going about their business. Emergent interactions between players can happen in a seamless open world, conflicts that lead to pvp, hardships that lead to cooperation. That stuff can never happen in a lobby game.
Kind of surprised there hasn't been a chink 'Dark Souls but MMO' type of thing yet. Well maybe there has but it was so unnotable that no one ever spoke about it outside of China
A final fantasy game with multiplayer elements.
How is it even remotely an mmo? >can't do the story together, half the time you have to drop group for instances >entire story from arr to endwalker is running from one npc to the next, sometimes queueing a dungeon
At every turn this game removes incentive for playing with others, unless you are doing a dungeon or trial.
Content that incentivizes you to socialize with your fellow players and organically group together to solve collective struggles or quests. Even quests to kill basic monsters or farm some gear is more compelling than anything 14 does outside of eureka type content.
Let's use Dragon Quest 10 as an example >you can only have one profession on a character >past level 35, gear cannot be bought or obtained from vendors, it ONLY comes from crafting or world drops from killing shit >vocations actually have depth, the mmo trinity exists but there are jobs that excel at hybridization, or being pure support, and while you can just rent peoples characters as npcs, you are far better off actually playing with others in a group to kill things and do stuff efficiently >just being in a party with someone allows you to use their teleport locations >individual player value is cemented in the game >full fledged casino, that gives you bonuses for sitting in the same section as party members so you can go chill and play slots/roulette/video poker with people and chat >built in tycoon card game that you can challenge a friend to wherever and whenever >events that incentivize party play such as a slime hide and seek game where more people in your party generally results in a higher score and better rewards
14 does not do enough to encourage people to talk or interact in its world. Because, surprise surprise, it's world is FRICKING EMPTY AND DEAD BESIDES FATES.
>Dragon Quest X
No one outside of Japan plays that game, why do you think 14 is so popular outside of Japan as well as inside? Because they localised the game, I'm not going to touch Dragon Quest because it's in Nipponese, there is no EU or NA community playing that game.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>no one outside of japan plays the game
I'm playing the game right now. There are multiple NA communities, the game is fully translated up to version 7. But of course you don't know that and I'd personally be happier if it means people with your mindset stay gatekept. I don't want a repeat of what happened to pso2.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No one outside of weebs plays Dragon Quest outside of Japan. Meanwhile millions of people play 14 outside of Japan in NA and EU. Are you going to keep this up pretending they are even remotely on the same level? Remove yourself from your echochamber and see how irrelevant DragonQuest is outside of JP and even more irrelevant of an mmo.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Are you actually implying that final fantasy isn't weeby as frick? They're both jrpg franchises from the same fricking company. Fricking hell dragon quest 10 is literally on the crystal tools engine that 14 couldn't manage to develop some basic competency around and work with.
Why the frick should anyone give a single shit about relevancy or numbers? What the frick does that have to do with a game being good or not? Are you a soulless golem who just follows where the majority of people go? Are you incapable of forming your own opinion? What the frick is that argument besides pathetically weak? You reek of desperation to fit in and belong to a collective.
At no point did I ever remotely claim they were on the same level of popularity. I simply said 10 is better than xiv. Because it is. No amount of wowfugee influxes to bolster your numbers will ever change that. At the end of the day 14 is a tab target rotation based wowclone that does most things including the story, noticeably better than wow. But it's still a wowclone. And wow sucks.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm implying that only weebs play DragonQuest outside of Japan and that's a fact, the community is so small as to be completely irrelevent the game devs don't even bother localising the games anymore.
Meanwhile 14 might have been weeby, but it's broken that it's played outside of JP by none weebs, by people who traditionally hated the idea of a weeb game.
You have a very blinkered view of these two games, because you, a weeb only think of how they are perceived in Japan.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Dragon Quest 11 sold over 2 million copies outside of Japan. The only reason it's particularly niche to begin with is because square enix refuses to market it like they do for final fantasy. >the game devs don't even bother localising the games anymore.
what the frick are you talking about? You're just blatantly lying unless you're solely referring to spin off titles.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You're just blatantly lying unless
Can you stop being so fricking moronic.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>they don't localize the games >the most recent title in the series barring spin offs was fully localized and has a smash representative
No anon, how about you stop being moronic.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
DQX being jap only doesn't make XIV any more of an MMO.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not a good argument, especially today.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't know what you mean. XIV isn't an MMO.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
good, keep it up. you can stay away from my DQX kamige.
I would come back to play FF14 if they ever do a massive update to the Golden Saucer. I haven't played since 2021, so maybe they did. I just want real gambling between players and more games
Took a break from FF after I finished the story for the expansion, now I’m playing WoW preparing for Cata Classic. The new season in Dragonflight is giving me a headache with how item upgrades work.
Cataclysm was almost 14 years ago, almost everything people claim Cata “ruined” except for revamping the map, came from WotLK.
Anyways it’s got some of the best dungeons in the entire game and I’ll be running them alot just for how fun my classes were back then.
All I wanted was an infinite mode torghast with a single life and no limits until your client crashed from doing 16 quadrillion dps or you died first, but noooooooo! You VILL finish the run at 6 floors, you VILL grind those same boring 6 floor runs for petty upgrade mats!
How do you frick up a roguelike this badly when one afternoon of coding could make it the best content in the whole game for fricks sake
Playing “classic” WoW has to be the worst junkie behavior. It’s over, it’s solved, you did it all1000 times 20 years ago, but like a rat in a Skinner box you just keep hitting the lever. At least the retail junkies have the excuse they can hope new things will come and advance the story or the mechanics. Classic is just giving up entirely. Nostalgia is a vice, a deficiency of hope, a despair in the possibilities of a better future.
Classic is a rotting corpse of the vanilla days with all that server layering bullshit making it another modern lobby multiplayer game that is a mmo in name only.
How do you post a YT link without that...asking for an ignorant friend, haha....
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
So you go to the video you want to post.
You mouse up to the address bar...
And you copy the link.
Then you paste the link.
If there is any excess material such as ?list=, ?si=, or &t=, you just hold backspace until that's all gone. The only one you keep is "watch?v=" and the string following it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why is that important? I doubt youtube can embed malicious code.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Tracking information. Youtube started adding this to literally "connect people together" within their systems. A case of: >This user knows this user, so it starts putting a few recs from one's feed into the other's >And also it keeps track of this connection between users (and also it tracks the site that you watch/open a video on, but that's not as new, you should always copy/paste links rather than opening them directly) >The idea of Youtube knowing you have any connection to (some random dude) isn't a big idea, but then you remember YT is owned by Google and they actively farm out this information and use it for all their advertising bullshit and algorithms, trying to "link the whole world" often in ways people don't want
TL;DR: Don't let Google spy on you.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That is a sufficient explanation, I usually almost always copy and paste links into a different, more secure browser as a part of my opsec whenever I find something here, but this is good to know.
I played it a bit, I disliked how standardized the body morphs were. Yes, you could a gigantic ass on your orc, but there were no longer freaky lanky hugh elves, midget satyr wood elves, etc. I rather have diverse body morphs.
>dude, FFXIV is unplayable shit now because they didn't do another Eureka/Bozja in EW! >no I won't talk about how there's absolutely nothing like that in WoW in the first place, or how they've already confirmed this exact type of content coming back in Dawntrail! >I'm going to gush over [insert borderline obscure MMO that has less than 1k players in the west and that I haven't played in well over a decade here] instead and pretend like I'm actually playing it right now for more than 30 minutes a week!
Bozjagays love to ignore the shit is dead content. Oh boy, sure was smart to make 3 alliance raids where 40 people can go in together and put them behind fate/relic grinding zones so nobody ever does them now.
Not for years but I might catch up on FF14. The housing shit always kills it for me though, I've lost like 3 really great houses over the years from taking breaks and tbh I need to have a house to motivate me to keep my crafters in top shape.
No. I firmly refuse to play games that might have my money stolen for saying word. I attempted to find some private servers or community server games, but beyond Gankerscape I was not successful. Places like Ultima Outlands and other hogwash have your typical boilerplate "We will ban you for heckin toxiciterino" TOS homosexualry, so I don't bother.
I haven't logged in for a couple months, but I keep my sub active just because I want to support it. At this point I hate FF14, but I will resub for DT because FF11 mentioned.
You can go to jeuno at any time of day and find hundreds of people still running ambuscade or chatting. it's objectively more lively for actual gameplay than limsa is.
there's a bunch that I wish had pservers because I never got to play them back in the day because I was busy with other games or jsut didn't know about them
More or less yes.
Tried FF14 free trial, can only play around 0800 otherwise i have to wait in queues.
Tried GuildWars2, did the tutorial and deleted the game
Tried PSO2NG also dropped after getting to big city.
Now mostly play ESO. Im enjoying it.
Its like skyrim but with bigger map and not as sovl(I play it as a singleplayer game)
But yeah its been like a week since i last played ESO since ive been mainly occupied with arkham knight
ESO gaming, although the pain of not being able to find groups (or matchmake into even barely competent ones) makes me only log in for the dailies recently.
I played ff14 until endwalker, the intro bored me to tears and I'm not doing the same song and dance for the 5th time.
I played Eso for some time, and the open nature of the game makes me want to play it every other year or so, and with eso+ I get the missed dlc's for free, play them and move on in 2 months or so.
Now I'm playing GoW2, its the most mmo type mmo out of all modern mmo's at the moment. Really alive world with plenty of players on every map, so there's a lot of player interaction and map exploratio, more so in the dlc, is unmatched in the mmo sphere. But combat gets a bit stale(but thats for every mmo).
Thank you for reading my round up of the mmo's I played.
"don't worry guys dawntrail will be the holiday special with player choice that we've wanted for years!" >can't tell wuk lamat directly that i don't feel comfortable further meddling in politics >even if i did i don't know her or the general situation nearly enough to make this decision >brief hope when Graham Tea says i can just go along, explore, and decide later >queue cutscene where everyone just kind of acts like i'm going specifically to help Wuk Lamat and my character doesn't even get the chance to deny it
Dawntrail is already doomed to failure because it's going to try and be character-focused when we're already explored every inch of the Scion's characters. You can't have new characters do that because every expansion gets bogged down in the obligatory 'meet the locals' shit so much that it stops being remotely entertaining and they just blur together.
Where did they ever say player choice will matter in DT? Its always been the illusion of choice, where maybe 1 line is different. I mean the whole premise is that we are getting caught up in some political race with the scions split between opposing political parties. But honestly the politcal shit is going to pushed to the side halfway through for whatever the techno-Black person Phantasy star shit is.
they've been not so subtlty trying to make the player character more independent since HW and everything is clearly leading towards some fake choice in who we cooperate with in dawntrail
>(written by kate)
bro does not remember heavensward and stormblood localized by koji fox, nor can he name any of the japanese writers that aren't ishikawa
>Played lotro every change I had as a teenager >Probably why I had terrible social skills until the end of le covid
There's a couple of MMOs coming out that a few old guild mates have mentioned that I'll check out with them but I really have 0 interest in committing to MMOs with how they currently are.
wow >sub
ff14 >sub
guild wars 2 >buy to play
elder scrolls would be viable if it wasnt a shit game killed by level scaling content so that there is no progression.
runescape >no gameplay
any korean mmo >lma0 macro transactions >lma0 grind
maybe diablo 4, but its missing the massive part i like about mmos
You forgot that Runescape is sub as well. >But you can F2P grind!
And it's fricking miserable prior to getting your sub.
And it's fricking miserable prior to getting high Slayer (which you can't do unbonded).
I've recently started XIV, most of realm reborn was a chore until operation archon starts, then it gets fun. And then once I got to the updates between ARR and HW I really started liking it, the crystal tower raids and Extreme trials were great and the story was actually interesting, I was invested in the characters and the game didn't force me to go in a banquet quest for a bunch of buttholes
I play FFXIV and FFXI.
In XI I sit in a buddies linkshell and help out. I have access to 3 characters that can fill any meta slot all nearly fully BIS with billions of gil invested in them. I think I spent a billion on dark matter augments alone. I hop on to help out newer players clear stuff and get them gear. In XIV I live in mentor roulette when works not making me clear up database problems and run tickets.
Off and on various MMOs throughout my life. I would love to settle down on one, but there is no such thing as a perfect game.
Runescape dominated my childhood, but I've done everything I wanted and put it down for good with fond memories.
Maplestory is a similar though less impactful, beat the Black Mage and called it good, Nexon sucks ass worse than any other MMO company I can think of.
A few others I have tried but never got too big on, City of Heroes/Villians, TERA, Maplestory 2, Warhammer Age of Reckoning, and a few early 2000s browser trash I can't remember the names of back in the day.
WoW and FFXIV I still play from time to time.
and Star Wars Galaxies and SWTOR. Surprised I forgot those 2.
Galaxies was great until SoE tried to turn it into another WoW and fricked it. SWTOR is pretty good for an honorary KotOR 3 and while I can't say I still play it I did like what I did even if it's just another WoW clone at the end of the day.
No.
Played WoW from 2008 to 2013
played XIV on and off ever since
still unsure if i care enough to resub for Dawntrail, looks boring and the game got stale a while ago. Wish it would just go back to more FF fanservice and less gay OC fanfic
Think I'm gonna pick 14 back up Dawntrail, but nothing right now.
I enjoyed FFXIV until the FC I was in from the start imploded over gay drama. I just haven't been able to stomach the idea of being social and getting attached to people again. I know it's sad, but FFXIV was my only source of interaction as a disabled person and seeing my "family" stab each other in the back and throw all the memories away was traumatizing. Now I only play single player games.
There's to many stories of FCs disolving over stupid shit for me to want to interact with them. I want to, but man I dont think the odds are in my favor to find a good one.
It's not a 14 exclusive thing obviously, I've been in 5 guilds in WoW that have imploded (all but one were due to a woman, how odd!) until I stopped playing seriously at the end of WoTLK.
This is why I am utilitarian with guilds.Getting this involved in a guild is ultimately unhealthy.
While my FC didn't implode over gay drama, I feel the same
They all quit over time, some still come back for patches, others completely abandoned it
I've tried joining so many FCs since mid shadowbringers but they just don't hit like my og FC did
I used to spend hours near our small house just talking to people, now it feels like everyone is a zombie
I feel this. FFXIV feels super anti-social. It's all on discord and shit. Personally I stopped playing when I realized that most players are gays and/or trans. Just way too much.
I don’t understand how people socialize in MMOs. Maybe 20 years ago when the idea of being able to play a persistent online game with people from all over the world was new and novel, it would have been cool to make friends in an MMO. Maybe I’m too young to understand it. I can’t imagine actually making friends with someone over text chat in a video game. When I play MMOs I get in, see the content I wanna see and get out fast.
Yeah that seems like a young person attitude. I will try to articulate how this happened for me.
So I feel like these days MMOs are 100% focused on the end game where you are max level and you do all the raids and what not. Devs these days simplify or streamline the leveling experience to get you there faster. Back in the old days I feel like the Devs really put a lot of thought into the leveling experience. Sure there was end game stuff but the real meat and potatoes was the journey as you leveled up. It took a while. After some time the grind gets a bit boring so you start talking to people and maybe party up. There were lots of quests that needed multiple people and you always found tons of folks just hanging around on the outskirts of such areas. This was before you could just queue up from anywhere so if you wanted to do a dungeon you would travel to it and wait outside for people to show up. It usually did not take too long but if we were like 3 outta 4 it was super common to just chat with each other.
I think another factor is we didn't really have the sheer choice you do now. Today you can pull up hundreds of games from any given genre. It makes sense to want to speed run content of a game when you have 30 other games lined up after it but back then I just...didn't. I would get home, get on WoW, and just do whatever. Sometimes I would sit in the undercity and just talk to random people also in the city and it was neat to have to defend Sylvanas every now and then. The thing is back then my choices for MMOs were WoW, of which there was nothing else like it at the time, or some free to play korean grindfest.
There was no cross server matchmaking either so if you did eventually get to the end game you would inevitably become familiar with your server's raiding community and every server was pretty unique in this regard but the thing is you pretty much HAD to socialize.
>When I play MMOs I get in, see the content I wanna see and get out fast.
In older MMOs you actually needed to socialise with people to do said content, since there was no group or dungeon finder. And you couldn't fly throw it like an ADHD kid after drinking 2 cans of monster, since you often had to stop and rest to regen HP or MP, which naturally lead to people talking, doubly so since 2nd monitors and smartphones weren't around yet. Then you have other non-combat factors, such as fast travel either being extremely rear or requiring someone playing say, a druid or wizard to open a portal for you. There also weren't any server wide auction house/market board, so players usually made an unofficial trading zone somewhere in the world.
I feel ya, my FC is pretty much dead except for raid day on tuesday and maybe some stuff on the weekend, and even then there's barely a dozen people on.
I think I'm cursed every guild in an MMO I ever join dies or falls apart.
>I enjoyed FFXIV until the FC I was in from the start imploded over gay drama.
I feel you. I came back to the game last year after a long break to find my FC in the middle of a mutiny. The frickers lost their mind over rank names of all things and because the FC leader was not playing because she just had irl shit going on. Last I saw, half the dipshits started a new FC after taking all the gil and mats and shit they could from the bank, and then disbanded after a month. The FC leader and two of her friends moved to OCE.
So stupid.
>tfw been in 3 fc's that have all imploded over bullshit lesbian drama
Lesbian or """"""""""Lesbian""""""""""?
no trannies involved funny enough
as implausible at it seems, lesbians are better at group destruction than trannies
This is the exact reason I have avoided any and ALL FCs for the past 10 years. They ALL involve cliques. They ALL involve some sort of drama at some point. They ALL have a handful of people at the top who look down on you, who will never give a frick about YOU, and will kick you from the FC if you much as make an emote in a way that upsets one of them or their bisexual e-lovers. Joining any FC at any time is like begging to get suspended or banned in an expedited fashion.
honestly somehow Ganker guilds in mmo's somehow end up being better than normie guilds despite all of the autism
While guild drama has always been a thing in mmos, it does feel far more pronounced in XIV for some reason. Smaller FC's tend to be a bit better from my experience, but I completely get not wanting to be part of them in general.
I'm an FC "Leader" but that was literally just so I could buy a house back in ARR before personal houses were introduced.
The only occupants in the FC are myself and a few friends who come back every now and again.
It's actually nice. I get airships and submarines and I don't need to share the spoils with anyone. I also own a personal small right next door so at least I get to feel like a land owner digitally.
Guild I'm in has survived purely by escaping the MMO into other games (and meetups) and bullying away the drama inclined gays.
(With a dash of not being american and leaving politics at the door)
The fc I was in imploded just the other day, Gay drama being the cause of course. The usual suspects infiltrated the officer team, and stabbed the fc leader in the back because they got called out on their troony bullshit by the FC leader. The feelings of an Officer’s friend got hurt and their ‘safe space’ endangered, and so the team burned down everything to not be in a “toxic” situation. I’m pretty sure the FC leader’s stance on trannies flipped because of what happened.
The Judasses created a new FC, and now I’m waiting for the same thing to happen again because they’ll just devour their own.
Tl;dr: FCs aren’t worth the brain damage, just find a nice static. You can filter out the trannies yourself.
reading about guild implosion in mmos never gets old because it's always caused by the same thing every time and it's still funny every time
In this case it’s particularly sad for the fc leader, she just wanted to enjoy the game, get an fc house to decorate, and it grew into a little community from there over the last expansion. She put a lot of time and effort in. I warned her when they started making demands: ‘inclusive safe space’ in fc recruitment message, pronouns in discord… but if she even considered saying no they shamed her for being a bad person. At that point I gave up on warning her, best learn the lesson the hard way.
She really thought these people were her friends, even met up with them a week ago.
But they do as they do: if you’re not with them you’re against them. They can’t create, only corrupt, and that’s an endless cycle so I’m sure we’ll be laughing at more drama soon.
Dawntrail filters cannot come soon enough.
Its why I only join guilds/fc ran by husband/wife. Drama still possible but a lot less likely.
Always gonna be weirdos but only weirdos play MMOs like a job anyway so its expected.
Every time, always, in every situation, this is Americans or on NA servers. Your entire nerd subculture seems to thrive on drama and pettiness on levels most other countries can barely comprehend.
>uninvited guest gives unsolicited opinion
What makes third worlders behave like this?
The UK is second world at worst still, kiddo.
>Every time, always, in every situation, this is Americans or on NA servers. Your entire nerd subculture seems to thrive on drama and pettiness on levels most other countries can barely comprehend.
Believe it or not, this was EU. The disease has gone transatlantic.
autistic women ruined my fc and caused drama
Autistic women blew up my old fc over a hottub in the yard, but our splinter fc is a lot better. The old one was a sprout farm with an insanely lame “managerial” style of leadership. Our new fc leader is a 0 parsing BLM with a “kingly” style of management.
I sort of feel that since my FC is slowly creeping towards death
Can't bring myself to leave my FC I've been with since the beginning that's essentially been taken over by new blood after the OGs have just kinda dialed things way back due to IRL/lack of interest.
The new people that have joined clearly clash with those that have been here since the beginning and the new leadership clearly isn't as good.
I've got 1 true friend here left who's a menhera, the rest I'm acquainted with. My actual friends are in their own FC elsewhere.
Had a really good time traveling to a different data center and just meeting people there / doing the usual for a couple months at the end of last year, the grass really was greener.
>I sort of feel that since my FC is slowly creeping towards death
Get some coomers/modbeasts and pressure them into running content. They are usually pretty good at recruiting others and as long as you don’t spazz at them they can clear stuff
After my longtime FC since ARR fell apart end of Stormblood because of moronic drama shit, I haven't found one to replace it. Me and my friend hopped from FC to FC, even data center transferring to get a new pool of FCs. Nothing stuck.
He eventually found a GF on final, and now we have our own solo FC for buffs. I'm just kinda here as a third wheel with no one to talk to unless they are on, which is fine I guess. Just wish I could be in a big FC again where chat is popping and people are always trying to get content going no matter what time.
How do people get into FCs that are close enough to consider eachother family?
No one ever talked to one time the entire time I played XIV. I made an FC literally and no one wanted to join it. Its just a single player game with random people in the background no one interacts with eachother.
>No one talked to me
>I made an FC and no one joined
Sounds like a (You) problem
Small to midsized FCs that are very old tend to be close knit and have lots of discord chatter on the FC's channel. Old names are recognized on servers, nobody is going to join a new literal who FC.
Join Novice network as a sprout.
Do content that requires communication, Eureka, Bojza, always people grouping up in those places. Go to rp venues and talk to people.
This last one I personally hate but apparently it's a universal across all mmo's now not just 14, but join discord, there are a bunch of discords for hunts, Baldesion arsenal runs, Bojza, for raiding. You can find people and friends from there, there's also the FC finder you can use on the lodestone.
>How do people get into FCs that are close enough to consider eachother family?
Family is a bit too far, but they are definitely warm friends and drinking buddies. Because about once a week or so we do shit like maps while drunk/high and shoot the shit. If you do it for over 2 years, you end up closer to them than co/workers or fellow hobbyists or people you know from church or volunteering
You can play FFXIV without relying on a FC, party finder is great and the convenience of being able to play anytime you want instead of having to stick to a schedule is a lot more fun
>party finder is great
Nah it fricking sucks if you actually want to get shit done. People won’t be openly sociopathic like in League but if you feel like progging in PF, here is your typical Saturday:
Spend 45 minutes to fill in pf
2 of the players lied about their prog point
3 wipes to reach prog point
1 wipe at prog point
Group disbands
45 minutes in pf….
You can blow an entire Saturday and get 3-5 pulls at your actual prog point. Playing even with extremely low skill casuals in a static is better, because instead you schedule 2 hours on a weekday, get 20 pulls at prog point, and when they finally learn it, you can put in on farm, rather continuously having to retrain new people. When your teammates get better, you actually share in the returns, even if it takes far more wipes total than in pf.
It sounds melodramatic and homosexual only if you’ve never experienced it I think. I was only in one guild in WoW since I joined from 2006-2013. At the time we were progging Throne of Thunder when our GM/Raid Lead was diagnosed with cancer. He was still going to lead us, as his only family was really his girlfriend and one irl friend at that point who both played with us. Couple weeks later one of our raiders admitted to our GM that his girlfriend was cheating on him with said raider, he said he felt super guilty after the cancer diagnosis was dropped on all of us but his girlfriend wanted to continue cheating. After that everything fell apart, him and the girlfriend never logged on again and pretty much the whole group lost all morale losing our raid lead of nearly 6 years because of some slag, everyone slowly stopped playing and moved on. After awhile I learned from his irl bud through Facebook that he died a little bit before WoD dropped. Since then, I’ve never wanted to join a guild again, losing 20 really good friends like that because of some douchebag who was looking for e-poon. That, and I fricking hate women.
I think you're doing yourself a disservice by shutting out the rest of humanity because of one moron and a prostitute, but it's at least understandable.
I'm more interested in your disability, are you an actual cripple or "disabled"?
ive been playing wow for 20 years, no reason to quit now
Fricking playing the same game for 20 years, how does that not get stall as frick? But then again, i have a cousin that only plays the same 5 games since the dawn of the nes
I've played WoW, it got stall after a couple of months lol
>Stale
Thank you
I dont have time
Been really tempted to do wow hc again but giving money to blizz every month makes me want to kill myself.
I kind of want to give Dawntrail a try (haven't played XIV since 6.0) but honestly I don't have time for MMOs anymore.
i wish i was a girl
I understand, life is to difficult for you so be a b***h and take the easy way out.
Yes, but it's in Minecraft, so nobody on Ganker cares. :^)
Yes.
Used to play WoW, play XIV now
No. I briefly got back into Runescape but it will never be the same as playing with your friends in the school computer lab. I tried FFXIV but never finished ARR, the gameplay and childish story doesn’t connect with me and the cumulative cost of a $15 a month sub fee is off-putting as someone that very rarely spends more than $20 on a game.
I am subbed to FFXIV but I literally only log in once every month to keep my house. Every time I log in I just feel apathy and log out. Debating on trying dawn trail or just leaving for good.
>Have some free money Square!
Holy shit!
I enjoyed FF14 until I didn't. The game started feeling empty and raiding pointless
Yes but it is a fricking indie obscure one, Dead Frontier so nobody here cares
Played WoW on and off over the years. Tried SoD but got burned out on it quick and my realm is a ghost town, probably won't be revisiting it. No real interest in retail or Cata.
I might give Dawntrail a fair shake but thinking I'm just tired of the genre. I get the same satisfaction out of co-op games but without the absurd time investment and monthly fees.
I don't get why Blizzard doesn't reset some realms. Why do ALL "classic" WoW servers have to progress to Cata? Why don't they start some back at vanilla and progress to WotLK before resetting again?
Might be worried about splitting up the playerbase too much? I dunno. Kinda bummed I was too busy to play when TBC was live and there's no way to play it now.
I like tanking. It's as easy as DPSing but you get to feel important and everyone loves you and showers you in comms.
I joined WoW back during BC and played until the end of WotLK. I didn't much like the changes Cata brought with it and quickly lost interest.
I was feeling nostalgic and rembered WoW Classic was a thing so I thought I'd give it a run for nostalgia. I thought WoW Classic had like Vanilla, BC, AND WotlK servers so I was pretty bummed out to learn that they are all turning into cata soon.
Ah well. Probably for the best.
It seems that most people feel about the same on FFXIV
It was good until it wasn't, aka, it was good until you realize that it's like a day at the office
Everything is the same always
Log in on patch day, do main story, dungeon, trial, 8 or 24man raid depending on patch
Dawntrail needs to really revive this game
There have been no good MMOs since vanilla WoW launched and even then vanilla WoW was never that good.
All modern MMOs are objectively shit.
Currently in the in between quests of ARR. Any tips for the Yokai event?
whip out your blue mage
What the other anon said
Blue mage is king when it comes to fates
I enjoy healing in ffxiv. Dps is not fun; I don’t get much enjoyment from pushing 30 different buttons, all of which could be summed up by “do more damage”
I agree with this when it comes to content you already know like the back of your hand
Being healer keeps your brain more engaged since there's a lot more variables that go into each fight
Team gets hit by aoes, someone has bad gear and takes more damage than you expected, something goes wrong etc etc
As DPS you just go through the motions
I've never liked healing. It makes me feel like a tard wrangler. I much prefer tanking since it makes me feel like I'm in charge and the main character.
As a healer, it does feel I'm tard wrangling, specially the stupid tank that decides to draw the aggro of the entire dungeon for no reason in a single fight
>Dungeon
Yeah that's me. I'm him. It's two trash pulls and then the boss basically every single dungeon. You can handle it lmao. If you mean those super low level dungeons from ARR I don't ever run those any more.
>specially the stupid tank that decides to draw the aggro of the entire dungeon for no reason in a single fight
hell yeah
try to keep up, scrub
Dumb homosexual tanks are supposed to pull wall to wall. Not everyone wants to wait 40 minutes to clear aurum vale because you don't know how to play your job as a healer.
This speedrunning mentality is why I stopped playing this genre. I want to have challenging fights where every mob poses a real danger, not a swarm of flies that we try to anchor in place so we can AOE swat them on repeat.
>NOOOOOO I DON'T WANNA PLAY THE GAME THIS IS CUTTING INTO MY LIMSA IDLING TIME HELP ME SHITPOSTXIV AAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE
People say this, but then b***h whenever DRKs demand buffs for their job
>no one cares about dungeon content bro, it's not important
DRKs literally cannot tank wall to wall.
Not pulling wall to wall is just dumb, especially in the latter dungeons that are specifically designed for it.
Use the trust system if you want to afk play.
healer is the main character, you just happen to be the main character of bringing out the dead
paladin is far and away my favorite job. I love saving sprouts with cover and clemency. I also love when toxic healers leave over the smallest insignificance and we just finish the dungeon at about the same rate
Damn, didn't realize Paladins had that much extra utility. Shame their gear is basically DRKs, only without the cool f
yeah, the base artifact armor is really good in xiv bust most everything at the later levels for classes sucks
Yep, warrior takes a lot more heat because they are 10% more braindead but paladins are just as invulnerable. In addition, the warrior can really only keep one dps alive, a paladin can keep both
Nah. I tried first season of sod but it was awful.
>Ironic captcha
I quit 14 because I was getting board and I didn't like endwalker I probably won't be back for 14. I really hate how some of the classes are. I fricking hate barcher.
>IESLB
i'm trying to will myself to pick up xiv again but i know logging into an empty friendlist is gonna depress the shit out of me
currently playing super adventure box in GW2.
>Tribulation mode
Frick me sideways, I can't believe devs put an I wanna be the guy tier game into their MMO as an april fools prank.
i would play planetside 1 if it had players
no, i will not play planetside 2, if i wanted to play battlefield/call of duty i would just play those!
https://boards.Ganker/gif/27086278
WoW/FF14/GW2
it's always the same mmo discussion
It's not like the old days man, the genre is dying out there aren't many to choose from anymore.
There are only a few that are still being actively developed on and getting new content, and you can only play private servers of old MMOs for so long before you get bored.
It takes years and a truckload of manpower to make a new MMORPG
No company wants to take the risk, especially in the current climate of constant layoffs
They barely have enough money to feed their bottomlessly hungry share holders, let alone to undertake a risk as big as an MMORPG
I play mabinogi
If FFXIV keeps adding 2 jobs every expansion they're going to inevitably win the MMO wars within 4 expansions.
Well yeah? Because those are the mmo's that have active populations. I'd throw ESO in there too but I almost never see anyone really talking about it as an MMO.
Because it's shit.
Unless you're an autistic TES superfan and will devour anything related to the setting regardless of quality, I couldn't really recommend it to anyone.
It's strange that's all, ESO had it's 10 year anniversary, the producer for that game said it's brought in $2billion over it's lifetime and still bringing in over $200-$300million a year, but it's got almost no presence online? Maybe it does and I just haven't seen it, it is far harder to see anything about it than those other mmo's I see stuff about FF14 and WoW everywhere.
My only guess would be because it's main playerbase is console gamer normalgays who don't really talk or post online.
>Main player base for ESO is console based
That makes sense if that's the case as to why it's more under the radar than other mmo's.
i really wanted to like ESO. i was expecting skyrim but multiplayer. it would have been an upgrade to have skyrim but multiplayer
ESO does one thing right, gearing. It's horizontal in that you collect sets for their affixes like the MMOs were pre-wow. Everything is scaled to an item level so the set bonuses and gear collecting makes it feel like the rpg part of the MMO is present. It's just the combat is terrible as it's designed for consoles foremost.
Late reply is late, but good luck getting any GW2 thread to actually talk about the game.
30% of any given GW2 thread consists of Anon who haven't played in 10+ years whining about how it's shit, 30% is jaded oldgays who've never even played GW2 jerking-off the original, 30% are replies to obvious polbait which gets bitten by morons every single time, and like MAYBE 5-10% is actual discussion of the game itself in [current year]. It's so fricking tiresome.
>Verification not required.
Honestly a shame given it's current shoe string budget and skeleton crew is releasing mediocre content and I don't see why that'd change.
If the game consistently released content at the level of Path of Fire/Season 4 it'd be golden.
I reinstalled it a month ago after quitting at launch out of boredom and it was still awful so I uninstalled again, it's a big shame that Charr are trapped in such a shit game
>RS3
Who plays RS3 anymore?
I have a character in it
I played runescape since 2006 to 2012 with some breaks started OSRS in 2013 up until 2016 then played runescape 3 from 2016 to 2017 started OSRS TO 2019 quit it in 2021 played runescape 3 again in 2021 to 2022 and currently have no will to play it anymore
no, why would I? if facebook is the lowest tier in social interaction then mmo's are the lowest tier in gaming
i miss when anons would constantly post green text stories and text screen caps of drama. it's like everyone is now scared of doing so for some reason.
I love old school runescape bros
My ironman is really coming together, quest cape is in sight
I have no idea what I'm looking at
>mmogays aren't mentally i-
Only FF troons do this shit
Don't you have a in game pride parade to be apart right now wowgay?
>Anon makes fun of Fgays
>Immediately blame WoW
NTA but he's got a point
I knew you were going to try to deflect instantly.
Back to the trans dragons with you wowgay.
Not a WoWgay
I'm just able to take banter
see
Even the mentally ill troon agrees
ESL?
Goldshire.
mentally ill website
no
last one I played was FFXIV shadowbringers
I hope the itch never comes back, but I really want to grind something again I can minimize and ignore every couple minutes
No and I never will again until we get Sword Art Online tier VR which won't happen in my lifetime so I guess I will never play MMOs again.
Social media was the death of MMOs and only VR like in SAO could possibly revive it.
>VR social media comes out
>Back to square one
Yea, I play in Massively Manly Orgies.
What of it, CHUD?
I play WoW Classic on and off and hate that I do.
Classic WoW is the most homoerotic shit I've ever seen in my life. A bunch of grown men of ambiguous race in their late 20s constantly shouting about "pumping" with each other.
I just wanted to fight Quilboar and mine some copper.
No I quit XIV back in January and I'm not coming back
Is it even possible to enjoy FFXIV if you don't want to socialize with trannies and gays? Do normal FCs exist?
>Is it even possible to enjoy FFXIV if you don't want to socialize
Yes, it's the most anti-social MMO out there.
I want to socialize just not with trannies and gays. Is this possible or will I be basically solo?
>Yes, it's the most anti-social MMO out there.
I've played 15 years of WoW and 0 seconds of FF14 and will still die on the hill that you're wrong.
I tried WoW's Season of Discovery, and the entire time I leveled and played, I never had a single social interaction beyond a guy telling me to kill myself for looting a battered chest near Hogger that had 2 Silverleaf and some tough jerky.
You didn't do dungeons or group quests or anything?
After a couple runs of SFK as a healer helping people get their pre-bis, that was probably the first time in years I've actually had people add me to their friends list and ask me if I wanted to come play with them whenever I was on. Also got invited to a guild and got to do the raid with them.
My realm shriveled up and died anyways, but I had a lot of interactions in the first month.
I started after they raised the cap to 40, and while yes, I helped people and ran a few dungeons, everyone either left without a word or would simply say "see you guys around" or something tame.
Everyone's experiences vary wildly, but almost everyone I personally encountered was very much geared towards level cap and Gnomer, with no time on the way to stop and chat.
In that same regard, I saw an alarming number of multiboxers and bots on the way up also, which shocked me seeing as how populated the realms are.
It is what it is.
Ah, yeah that was probably why.
I started day one of phase one and the atmosphere was completely different. Nobody was geared and everyone was still out leveling and shit, the Barrens were fricking packed and every contested zone was a bloodbath.
Had a feeling it wouldn't last but had some good times before I dipped out at least.
> guy telling me to kill myself for looting a battered chest near Hogger that had 2 Silverleaf and some tough jerky
soul
Pre-WoW MMOs = Grouping is required.
WoW Classic = Grouping is not required, but heavily recommended.
WoW Retail = You can group or not, play however you want.
FF14 = Grouping is actively discouraged, most of the game is single-player story quests. You can't do these in a party.
it's not, though. i've never had as many people randomly interact with me as i did in XIV. i don't even play female characters
Yeah I've been on hiatus and now I am about to start playing EverQuest again on a new server
No but I miss dark age of camelot. Keep sieges, thridranki faste, heck even grinding the dungeons with a party was a blast and don't even get me started on darkness falls. There was this class that summoned different types of mushroom sentries, and another that summoned a pet that summoned its own pets that could heal, cast spells/buffs, and melee. That game had the best magic class I've ever played in a game. Now all we got are stagnant flavors of dps/healer/tank and nothing else and everyone is solo and there are cutscenes now? Don't know how you kids bear through it.
I play Dofus
And everyone will too once Unity is released!
Elsword
Handholding with Alisaie in front of her mother please.
good morning sir
What's up lad, how's your day going? trying to call me a jeet you fricking slag
they see AI and immediately think jeets, which is ironic considering the hardware required.
Do you guys have to keep your love for Alisae a secret in FFXIV too? Everyone keeps accusing me of being a pedo every time they find out. For frick's sake.
she's pretty cute and anyone who gives you grief about it is a homosexual
Me? No my FC knows I'm in love with her. I play in EU though, NA gays have that Californian mentality.
Every single time someone responds saying
"nah, I have it on easy mode"
>EU
Why wasn't I born a Britbong. Or in Europe somewhere.
There are some positives to being born English, but I'd much rather live in the U.S. these days, believe me as bad as things might seem over there with your politics and shit, it's nothing compared to here. Your country is so big if shit gets bad enough you can find some empty land in some overlooked state and live a peaceful life, no chance of that here in England, our country is the size of Florida with a population of 65-70million. I'll just say, there are problems here.
anyone who gives you shit for liking alisaie is probably also someone who ships ryne and gaia
Yeah Ragnarok online
I used to play 14, but the lack of grindable gameplay content was not enough. Or should I say reward to gameplay grind ratio.
I would try my hand at the endgame content, but then I remembered that all of the endgame contest consists of
>savage and ultimates
NOPE.jpg
I doomed myself to not really care about endgame content, because I realized the gear in this game doesn't really matter outside of savage and ultimates
I think for me how I handled the lack of grind, the grind is still there but it's handled differently. Let me explain. We all know getting Bis is relatively straight forward, get your gear in Savage or catch-up in Alliance, relic weapon through manderville.
But for me, I found the grind in getting the exact glam and armor for my guy.
Doing content specifically for glam, I really wanted the Warrior of light Paladin sword and shield to complete my Wol gear set from ARR,
I set up a group in PF for Seat of Sacrifive Ex, and got my gear and a mount after around 20 pulls, learned the fight and had fun.
I did Paglathan dungeon run for the Fending armour gear as it looks so fricking cool on my Warrior.
I'm saying I found my grind, and it's in getting gear sets that go with the exact look that I want for my guy, some of the gear is locked behind Savages and Extremes so I'm going through looking up specifically where to find the gear I want, set up PF's and grind it out. I've been having fun.
>Glamour
I already have all the glamour I want for each job I play. There hasn't been anything released that would make me want to change it.
I genuinely get more excited for new armor looks in incoming expansions/patches than almost anything else.
Yep, wow enjoyer here because the rest play like absolute dogshit
I don't know what kind of wizards wrote wow's combat, but nothing comes close to the instant feedback you get in this game
It beats many single player games too in responsiveness
I raided in WoW and wasn't impressed, what's the point in having fluid combat if the combat encounters (raids) are designed around weak auras? I think that's a really bad design philosophy, requiring addons for a fight at that point I'm out. The game is playing itself, I'm just there as a responding to a Simon Says.
When did you last raid?
In WoW? 2021, game lost me forever after all the years of bullshit that was built up. I had enough of the game, for multiple reasons.
Shadowlands had pretty bad raids in terms of tuning and design (too fricking hard). Much better now
It's a common complaint but if Blizzard ever took steps to cull addons and stop balancing the game around them all of the Mythic raiders would riot in the streets.
this kills the woke gamer
is this game any good?
it's RO but more p2w and balanced against poopsock guilds. Has botting as a feature (auto-grind) and encourages 2boxing with auto-follow in party
but is it GOOD
Adding to this anon
, It's more of a modern mobile MMO adaptation of RO. If you have played any of them recently, it's just like all of them, but RO flavored
Depends of what you're looking for. if you just want something that kinda, sorta, feels like a modern take on RO, it can be fun for a bit, even if it's just to check some locations and stuff. But it is REALLY a mobile MMO and if any hint of that is bad for you, then you'll hate it. I personally don't like it, but you can do whatever you want.
I wish Maplestory 2 wasn't shit and didn't instantly die upon western release. I want an MMO with cute Chibis.
>Maplestory 2
never forget what they took from you
It's a crime the closes thing tho this artstyle I know is Blue fricking Archive
Blue Archive chibis are so damn good, what I would not give for it to be any other genre
Same. Gachas are too demanding time wise, I'd pay 60 for, dunno, anything that wasn't a live service. Frick it I'd pay 60 for a turn based JRPG that just did the game story but with actual cutscenes and not just VN style stuff
i wish lalas had the same chibi power as maple story 2 did. i mean lalas are cute, but there's something about the koreans that have the perfect ratio of cute and sexy
Granblue Harvins are what I wish Lalas were.
pedophile
gonna upgrade your potato pc any time buddy or is it supposed to align with your unhealthy obsession
i'm not your buddy, pal
How could I, anon?
... how could I ever...
rumors are miyuan is still spinning to this day
Nexon shut it down because they removed all the p2w from the game, Korenas don't deserve rights.
Is there no MS2 private server yet?
>I want an MMO with cute Chibis.
I was poking around Steam yesterday and found this https://store.steampowered.com/app/2241570/Legend_of_Edda_Pegasus/ no clue if it's any good though
Just 4GB, gonna try it.
Those reviews are a mountain of red flags.
shame that it's mobileshit
>mobileshit
>good
impossible
Just OSRS really.
no i respect my time too much
i felt bad giving Blizz 9 for the month sub but I tried the Battle Royale and levelled a couple old Legion characters to 60, was suprised how fast it is, literally like an afternoon. Might give MoP remix a try seeing as you can level to 70 in that without buying the expacs.
Yes, a Minecraft-based one and FFXIV
Both are very fun and have been the context for some of my favorite vidya experiences in the last few years.
Is that a minecraft server, or what mmo is it? I'm interested.
It is both an MMO and a Minecraft server called "Monumenta". The backbone of the game is an adventure through about twenty very large dungeons that take about four hours (average first clear time).
The big selling point of it compared to other Minecraft MMOs is how it still uses the strengths of Minecraft as a base game. Primarily Survival mode rather than Adventure. And it's purely PVE and Co-op. No PVP.
I've put hundreds of hours into it in the last few years. Hope you have fun if you try it out.
dang, a pvp/pve town/nation building minecraft mmo server I played in 2014 called atherys ascended was probably the coolest mmo I ever played with how sandboxy it was with player built towns and decently balanced fantasy classes, minecraft is still an underrated vehicle for mmos to be built in even 10 years later
I've started playing SWTOR.
what class?
Imperial Agent Operative, doing Lethality.
>Agent Operative
Absolutely ultra based, good choice.
That and Sith Juggernaut were my favorites.
I heard the Agent questline was the best. I'll give the Sith Warrior a shot too, though.
Are any of the Republic storylines good?
Compared to agent and Sith warrior? Ehhh, I felt they were pretty bland in comparison. Smuggler is okay I guess, but Sith Warrior blows Jedi Knight and Consular out of the water.
Trooper is just a lot of YES SIR NO SIR jarhead type shit, didn't appeal to me as much.
Good to know, I'll stick with Sith and Agent stuff for now. Thanks.
Playing Lineage 2 on and off, C5-IL private servers only. FFXIV mainly to PVP and hang around with my FC.
Not anymore. Some part of me wants to go back to DFO though.
No.
I want to but they either don't have servers close enough to where I live that I can play them in a way I would like to or they're just shit or not at all what I'm looking for.
>click 1 2 3 4
>repeat off cooldown till whatever you're fighting is dead
as soon as theres an mmo that isn't mind numbing button mashing and avoiding circles then i'd probably play it
Isn't Fallout 76 a shooter?
Fallout 76 barely qualifies as multiplayer and it's shit on top of that.
MMOs like that have existed for many, many years. All pre-WoW MMOs are like that.
wouldn't call autoattacking and waiting for something to happen engaging
>an mmo that isn't mind numbing button mashing
>wouldn't call autoattacking and waiting for something to happen engaging
Which one is it? Do you want ADHD button mashing or not?
Posts like this make me feel so happy I'm not a zoomer. I'd ask you to name what MMOs you even know about prior to WoW but we both know you'll just Google them and pretend you had the knowledge already.
must be a thrilling position to have already won every argument by automatically dismissing the opposition
There have been a few that didn't follow tab targeting combat. There's ESO is the common one, there's GuildWars2, if you wanted a recent MMO that didn't have tab targeting there was New World.
So what are you waiting for?
final fantasy 11, you missed the boat however
>final fantasy 11 isn't mind numbing button mashing
it's mind numbing macro mashing, don't kid yourself
play at 75 cap. you aren’t at the haste cap and every piece of gear doesn’t have triple and quadruple attack stacked on it.
btw you can just turn merit exp on and you’ll basically be stuck at 75 forever iirc
I wish it was just 4 keys, bullshit like ffxiv wants you to use 20+ keybinds because japanese autist game designers can go frick themselves and learn from bdo or gw2
Imagine getting filtered by a baby game for morons like FFXIV
I still play the game so your filter didn't work miyamoto, the problem is there is no justifiable reason to use 20 keybinds on anything other than an autistic simulator game and the only reason it's the case in ffxiv is because japanese peogramming
Yeah and fighting games should just require one input for a combo string right?
whatever you want boss
Once a week when my group raids and never outside of that.
But that's basically the MMO version of "multiplayer makes any game fun".
Any MMOs I genuinely had fun playing on my own or with randoms are dead.
I miss that game.
Secret World Legends, the zombie MMO that should have been a singleplayer game
I bounce between WoW, XIV, and ESO
WoW has the best dungeons and raids
ESO has the best community and side activities
XIV has
uh
breasts I guess? not really sure why I still play it honestly, I've been kinda bummed out about it
I'm currently having fun with Waven.
How is it? I played the beta and the constant server issues made me forget about it. Also the fact that it basically felt like a chill single player game but had a forced turn timer that didn't let me pause it
This was my same experience with Waven. I jumped through the server issue loops, but eventually dropped it because I felt it lacked social interaction / community. It doesn't help that I'm not into gacha shit, and this game's gear/skill progression is gated behind gacha shit.
Subbed to 14, but I haven't played in a while except to load in once in a while just to frick around and kill time. I think my character only progressed up to 6.2 or 6.3 stuff.
Been playing WoW over the past half-year. Probably going to try out the Mythic plus thing this week or next. But I'm just questing in the vanilla zones, wanting to go back through the old content. In Desolace right now.
I'm unlocking all my summons in FFXI. Just one more to go for now.
Using my 75 smn to teleport to elemental crystals to help clear smn unlocks for new ppl is a good memory for me. Are you soloing lvl 20 or getting help?
Doing the solo fights, just finished Garuda so it's finally over. They were all ass clenchers.
Retail or server?
I currently play Dragon Quest X
I highly recommend it if you have some friends who are also willing. The game was more or less designed to be played entirely through with friends. There isn't anything that's forced to be done solo. You can do every main quest, vocation quest, side quest with friends together, and everyone progresses. It's really neat. The classes are fun too. I never cared for dragon quest but I think I'm coming around because of X. It's a great game bros please play it.
Used to play Lineage2 a lot
Now I mainly play classic WoW and retail
Tried a bunch over the years but they either died or were simply bad
Taking a break from FFXIV until DT comes out, since I got everything to 90 and most of the content from AAR to EW finished.
With Shadowbringers and Stormblood, I felt more compelled to continue playing since the post-launch content was pretty good. With Endwalker though, I haven't felt any real desire to engage with it's post-launch content in any meaningful capacity.
I play both Dungeons & Dragons Online and FFXI.
For me its FFXIV
XIV.
Been bouncing between fishing and hunts the last few days.
My progress is shit, but it's going.
I wish I could play XIV again, but there are too many bad memories attached to it because of my ex.
Love the game. But I just break down trying to play it anymore
normalgays, please leave
> getting upset because of woman
lmao
That tends to happen when someone you love betrays you, yes.
My mistake believing a woman actually means it when she says she loves me too
>getting on well with a girl i met in game
>planning our eternal bond ceremony, really happy
>she has great taste in vidya and her character is super cute, she likes to do light roleplay romance scenes between our WoLs
>suddenly get hit with a ban
>????
>investigate
>SE support says i've been sending inappropriate messages to someone and my account is perma'd
>legacy account gone just like that
>notice girl has me blocked on discord now
>heart sinks
I'm worried. She said her cousin is extremely controlling and has a history of abuse. She has mild autism so I'm really worried for her safety and think this guy might be taking advantage of her. What do I do Gankerros?
anon right here just proved my point. Don't ever, EVER get into "relationships" with people in MMOs. Don't EVER join FCs. Especially ones with lots of women in them.
>b-but those stories about people getting married IRL over MMO relationships
Yeah, those are called exceptions. And exceptions don't disprove the rule, dipshit. Ever.
This. I thought I would marry the girl I met on WoW a few years ago. Turns out she’s a complete schizophrenic psycho who believes that she had a relationship with a dead serial killer
That Anon is a moron or a liar. I am leaning on the latter, since no sensible person posts something like that and then ASKS FOR ADVICE ON Ganker AND says "/v/ros."
But at the same time, you are at the opposite end, being a jaded butthole demanding everyone else be as miserable as you.
It's fine to join guilds in any game.
It's fine to interact with people.
It's acceptable to form connections with people you find interesting.
And this is the important part, practice safe Internet usage.
Do not use heavily-moderated in-game chats to interact in vulgar, sexual, or creepy ways. You're just going to get slapped. Take that shit to private messaging platforms.
If you plan to interact with people, don't use overly vulgar character names unless they're at least a little funny. Buttsausage? Fine. BigDickRichard? Maybe. FrickingBastard? No.
Learn to take a step back and assess the situation. If something is too good to be true, it often is. Be patient, you can continue to be friendly and even loving and whatnot, but be cautious and look for red flags like money/image begging, dodging questions, broken English when a discussion gets complicated, etc.
TL;DR: DON'T BE moronic.
>That Anon is a moron or a liar. I am leaning on the latter, since no sensible person posts something like that and then ASKS FOR ADVICE ON Ganker AND says "/v/ros."
>But at the same time, you are at the opposite end, being a jaded butthole demanding everyone else be as miserable as you.
>It's fine to join guilds in any game.
>It's fine to interact with people.
>It's acceptable to form connections with people you find interesting.
>And this is the important part, practice safe Internet usage.
>Do not use heavily-moderated in-game chats to interact in vulgar, sexual, or creepy ways. You're just going to get slapped. Take that shit to private messaging platforms.
>If you plan to interact with people, don't use overly vulgar character names unless they're at least a little funny. Buttsausage? Fine. BigDickRichard? Maybe. FrickingBastard? No.
>Learn to take a step back and assess the situation. If something is too good to be true, it often is. Be patient, you can continue to be friendly and even loving and whatnot, but be cautious and look for red flags like money/image begging, dodging questions, broken English when a discussion gets complicated, etc.
>TL;DR: DON'T BE moronic.
What a fricking homosexual.
I'm currently doing Frontline to get to Series level 25 and get the armor
why do you always need to post a picture
why the frick are these things so god damn ugly and yet people still play them?
I play Final Fantasy XI 75% guideless. There's just something about getting lost, not know what the FRICK I'm doing, and getting random quests by just talking to strangers. I occasionally look at the guide though just because I SHOULD get going in the story.
The lack of quality of life most MMOs (or video games in general) have these days makes every achievement feel a little bit more special. It's probably why I gravitate towards older games in general.
Is it normal for this much to happen in the months leading up to a release?
What do you mean? Its two events and two livestreams. And two go grind currency "events".
Its nothing.
i don't recall this many letters from the producer the last time but yeah normally leading up to an expac is pretty jam-packed with media shit and in-game events
Are they just not having a media tour with youtubers/streamers this time? Usually thats been done and videos are coming out by now, right?
two full months until early-access (real release) m8
I know. Don't they usually come out about now? Or am I finally going senile?
going senile, this release cycle is most analogous to shadowbringers' release cycle and its own media tour was in mid-late may
Well, shit. I am going to be a braindead menace in my old age, I guess.
in fairness shadowbringers' release was five years ago
They are, I know of three Youtubers/ Streamers who have been invited to the Media tour
The number of events is similar but I think they used to be more spread out rather than jammed into the last two months. Maybe I'm misremembering.
And the mog tome event is normally just the one that runs for a very long time rather than two separate ones like they've done in the DT lead up.
I find her very unattractive by the way. Her brother is way more hotter.
>jaded butthole demanding everyone else be as miserable as you
I used to play Toontown (Corporate Clash) but I got bored of grinding out the last levels of my suits. Boardbot HQ never.
based tooner. the 1.3 update got me hooked into the game all over again, then I started doing the overclocked CLO and had a blast with that. poor old TTR can't compare
>poor old TTR can't compare
It's not really trying to
>nordic chad meme
>no fun allowed
I might pick up ff14 again so I can play as a cute beast girl.
I'm firmly torn between fanta-ing my potato and making an ideal hrothgal or just seeing if DT has more aesthetic pieces that make it harder to say goodbye to my potato. The free fanta makes the decision easier, but frick is this a tricky one.
Probably gonna get back into DDO.
Kinda jonesing for another sorcerer life.
yes
I keep wanting to go back to GW2. Its pretty comfy. But I hate the gameplay of combat so much.
This is my main issue with it.
Every time I think it sounds fun, I remember the combat and lose interest again.
What's an MMO I can play very casually?
XIV
Most of them. There's no "hardcore" MMOs anymore. All of them are full of catch-up mechanics, side content, and games.
they still exist. but you have to start at the bottom of a 10-20 year ladder climb. and no one wants to do that
I will play dawntrail but I am currently unsubbed and have been for like 4-5 months. Will resub closer to expansion release but there's frick all reason to sub until then.
I'd love to join an FC if I got invited by someone I played with in a duty or something but all I ever get is random invites from people who only see my name without an FC tag
I met a girl (female) doing FATEs in Ultima Thule and she invited me into her LS group full of chill people and no drama. Found out later that she actually lives in the same town as me. The world sure is small.
and u didnt have children with her? weak
Never actually met her in RL. I'm too far gone to care for 3D wamen
I play XIV, XI and GW1.
Wow is dead to me and I hate the aesthetic style of ff14, I'll just wait till GW3 but right now i've played just about all the semi active MMOs that exist. A damn shame that Age of Conan died how it did.
XIV is not an mmorpg.
No, I dropped Guild Wars 2 when it tried to scam me with a battle pass pretending to be an early access expansion and I haven't touched an MMO game since.
Starting playing XIV and caught up on my MSQ
I don't really care about leveling other classes so I'm bored at this point. Started leveling another character on my friends datacenter but I find it hard to grind out ARR for more than an hour or two at a time.
play Dofus with me
by the end of the year everyone will be hopping onto Dofus' dick!
No, there is nothing worth playing right now. I'm just waiting for new MMOs like Archeage 2, Chrono Odyssey and AoC. Guess there is Ghost and that Riot MMO as well but they're too far away to be excited about.
I've been waiting with everyone for mmo sequels for 10 years now and it's painful knowing its still another 10 before they're even on the table for release, im actually getting too old to be waiting decades for this shit
I sometimes still play WoW because it fits like a glove even if the glove has been scooping manure then covered in rainbow glitter
Can't stand any other mmo, they all feel 'wrong' with movement/skills/netcode etc
Maybe I could be convinced to play eve online again but I only enjoyed the pve missions way back in the day, gate camping/mining/piracy all sucked
Currently screwing around on a TERA private server (Starscape). Before that, it was catching-up on Vindictus after a 10+ year break, and before that, GW2.
It's still novel for now, as I didn't get to play much of TERA when it was officially alive. Although I can't help but feel a lurking sense of "what's the point" about pouring much time into it, since it's not as if there will ever be any truly new content added to the game at this point. Plus, the private server will forever be a full 1-2 years worth of major patches behind where the official servers ended (v100 instead of v110), which is kind of lame.
Genre's dead, so circling around the same old titles is just expected at this point.
>private server
Have fun, but they all end the same way. Literal troony cliques worming the way into becoming gms, favoritism / arbitrary bans of people they don’t like, a hrt induced meltdown, and then total deletion of the server.
This sounds like it's happened to you once before.
What game was it?
It happened to like 3 different major WoW private servers in the last 5 years
If FF14 qualifies, then sure, I do. It appears to me that it's as much of an MMO as Monster Hunter is, though.
>Started playing FFXIV about 14 months ago
>Played as midlander for the MSQ up to Stormblood then played abit of Au'ra
>Met a bunch of decent albeit strange people and swapped to playing lala
>Can't go back, I've fallen in love with lala
Not even in a creepy sexual way, they're just cute and their animations and voices are great. Running around and tanking things 100x bigger than you and making stupid noises is weirdly entertaining.
I'll never use the short race after getting cucked out of a major item from a quest chain as a gnome because the huge ass boss monster died on slightly elevated platform causing it to be legitimately impossible for me to collect. It was at the end of a long ass group quest chain that the party I was with had no interest in going through it again.
Took me hours to get back to that point.
It can't happen in XIV due to the way the game is set up but that shit still burns deep
On the contrary, there are locations in 14 that are inaccessible to anyone who's not the midget race
How dead is EVE at this point, I never hear anyone even mention it now.
It had a good run but I just don't see how a game like that can exist beyond a few thousand diehards in the modern market
I'm going to resub to FF14 tomorrow. Do FF16 event, get level 25 in PVP for the amor set, do yokai watch event, do moogle event for whatever shit we get, level some jobs to 90. Just casual shit. Not going to raid or try hard.
>Not going to raid or try hard.
Yeah I wouldn’t recommend progging in pf at this point lmao
I might try some extreme trials I missed out on but that will be it.
>do moogle event
Wait what moogle event?
part 2 of genesis moogle treasure
does fallout 76 count as an mmo? if so, yes
otherwise, I did actually fire up my trial account for wow a couple months ago, played an alt to 20, dumped the game again
>nearly completely disillusioned with xiv
>decide to try another mmo in the lead up to dawntrail
>install [redacted]
>the cutscenes have more animation in the starting zones than current endwalker cutscenes
>the game actually has elemental resistances and exploits
>support is a completely viable playstyle
>the cash shop exists, but is tied to the yen so everything is objectively cheaper
>when you do buy shit they give you a percentage back as coins to spend anyway
>outfits can be bought as a bundle for a reduced price or bought in individual pieces which xiv would never fricking do you WILL buy the whole set for a pair of fricking gloves
>free for a significant portion of the game
>no morons polluting my game with their drama
>no modbeasts throwing fits in chat
>runs well
>looks good even in early zones
>actually plays like a [redacted] game
>classes actually feel varied and unique
>classes actually have skills that make you feel like you matter in a party
>objectively better casino and fishing
>objectively better pve content to get involved with friends
>uses the fricking CRYSTAL TOOLS engine, proving every single excuse shat out by 14 for over a decade about "engine limitations" and "spaghetti code" is complete and total horseshit to cover for gross incompetence
I am actually so pissed that I did not try this sooner. I don't know if I even want to come back.
thanks for reading my blog.
>shadowbaby goes back
Good riddance.
>goes back
I've been playing since mid heavensward and I'm not talking about world of warcraft you stupid post skimming troglodyte.
>We could have had FFXI 2.0 if they rode-out 1.23's positive direction into further updates thereafter
Still hurts a bit.
It exists, just as the other square enix jrpg franchise mmo. And it's so wildly, frustratingly better I'm still mad about it.
>SE converts FFXIV into lowest-common-denominator WoWslop to recapture the western audience
>Massively successful
>The objectively better and far more interesting MMO of DQX remains stranded in Japan to this day
I didn't come here to feel, Anon.
Yeah it's really too bad there isn't any way to play. I love dq.
Capcom also had a few MMOs that they refused to release outside of Japan, I don't understand why Japs do this 'secrit club' shit for no reason. Capcom rather shut down their MMOs instead of porting them to the west, and they did.
dragon quest 10 is fully playable and nearly fully translated barring the latest expansion.
dragons dogma online has private servers in development and is playable to this day if you spin up a server.
Because that's more staff they gotta pay, more datacenter rent/utility bills they gotta pay, more localizer contractor costs they gotta pay
It's very expensive to bring an MMO to other territories.
Also, the domestic version might have collabs with brands/IPs that they'd also need to pay licensing for in the west and whereever else, and depending on who owns the distribution rights already for a given property outside of its home country that can be a headache legally and financially
COG just plain hated foreigners though, for MHF they actually had staff posing as foreigners to infiltrate groups hopping the IP block and they'd all get banned
If releasing MMOs globally wasn't profitable then nobody would do it, but they do. Because it's usually profitable.
Japan don't because they're autistic or something.
man I wish an mmo like that actually existed
It's actually hilarious that people are only just now waking up a realizing what was lost
>only just now
I've been lamenting every homogenization change since the removal of tp. I think I've just finally become completely apathetic and jaded towards wowclone style mmos. I played 11 for the first time a year or two ago and it recaptured the sense of scale, wonder, and exploration that I recall being what made me love the genre in the first place. And I'm experiencing it again with another, similar mmo right now.
Just cleared ARR and started unlocking a bunch of Hard difficulties for dungeons I've already cleared. Are they worth doing?
Yes, they're significantly different from their normal versions
Sounds fun, I'll do them then.
A more fitting name would be "remix" rather than "hard mode", they tend to take you through a different route through the dungeon, and naturally all the regular enemies and bosses are different (you tend to be there for a different purpose in a different context and time, after all).
Yes, they're worth it plus some have really cool lore and small stories you can completely miss if you just run through them. The example if Wanderer's Palace.
No good MMORPGs left.
i resubbed to 14 to finish up 6.1-6.55 and its so fricking boring. it took like 1 minute to remember my completely linear rotation and all the content is braindead.
also playing some WoW and quite enjoying it. didn't touch Plunder Storm but now i'm furiously trying to catch up because the pirate set is really nice. already got to R27 or something in 1 week, got about another week to finish up R40, then Season 4, then Pandaria remix memes, and then a new expansion. things are looking pretty good even though War Within doesn't seem exciting at all, but all the feature changes and the devs getting off their lazy asses is good.
I wanna get back into ff14 but the combat is too hard. I can barely even play reaper, damn.
>too hard
it could not be more mind numbingly boring if it tried what the frick are you on about. reaper is a 1 2 3 combo then hitting an ogcd that gives you meter, hitting one of two alternating FLASHING NEON BUTTONS depending on being behind the enemy or on their side, and then you spend your meter on mashing the same two buttons with an ogcd between. that's all the fricking job is. the only time reaper was ever interesting was before they nerfed arcane crest because you could do some silly stuff with its original mitigation values.
Tbh MMO baked rotation is the most uninteresting form of difficulty ever created and can't be surprised people don't bother to learn.
Tab target mmo rotations sure. It's pretty different when you move on from that specific genre. The second you move to something that actually takes into account resistances, elements, and types of damage things become significantly more interesting.
I agree, more recent MMO figured themselves out of tab targeting (then again Gw2 came out shortly after Ff14 and still managed action combat)
Lost Ark was particularly fun but the good gameplay (notably raid) was wrapped with the most dog shit typical Korean MMO grind and ruined it all for me.
>More recent MMO's figured themselves out of tab targeting
Out of popularity as well, it's no coincidence the two most played and popular MMO's in the World use tab targeting.
Look at the state of New World, it's entire population plays on steam, it's a very recent MMO with Amazon money behind it, it uses more action focused combat and dropped tab targeting.
Like I said pic related is the entire population of New World, World wide as of two minutes ago.
You can look up the population for FF14 on steam, which is the smallest place for that game where people launch the game from(it has a dedicated launcher most of the player base use), and it has a population of 16k right now.
Since you typed a whole paragraph I'll give you a (You) but sadly I don't fall for bait.
>Bait
How is that bait? It's literally what happened is happening, look it up for yourself.
I mean that is why it is difficult it is hard to stay awake. I have this problem with other classes as well like samurai, paladin.
You should probably specify that unless you were intentionally baiting a reply, anon.
It wasn't intentional, I didn't expect to get any replies tbh.
We need more action MMOs with stamina bars instead of cooldowns. If someone would just make Dark Souls Online then the genre would be saved.
>dark souls online
>the most boring fricking combat of the last decade and a half mired with mmo elements
thank god that doesn't fricking exist holy shit.
Action slop is where complexity and difficulty go to die in a multiplayer game
>hitting 123 while waiting for cooldowns to expire is so god damn complex and interesting
I'm sick of this shit, Dark Souls is more fun than any MMO.
Disingenuous Black person, I hate tab target MMOs. You're a fricking zoomer who can't even name an MMO pre-World of Warcraft. You were still a fricking zygote when the genre was still good.
What do you play then? Ancient click and wait MMOs? Those are even worse.
Not that anon, but heres a non exhaustive list
Final Fantasy 11
Dragons Dogma Online
Dungeons and Dragons Online
Everquest on a fresh prog server
Dragon Quest 10
Every single one of these games has more depth than wow, explicitly more varied gameplay, and accomplishes all of this while retaining their own unique charm.
>r1, roll, weapon art, roll, roll, roll, r2, roll is interesting
Dark souls is barely serviceable as an rpg. It's the most boring, languid combat I've ever played, and while it was fun for a game or two, it has overstayed it's welcome and worse, poisoned the fricking well of rpg's trying to copy it. it's the world of warcraft of rpgs. and that's not a fricking compliment.
You're wrong, it's infinitely more interesting than whatever turn-based or click to autohit MMO garbage combat people in here are promoting.
MMO combat needs to become more skillbased and less stat driven, they need to appeal to audiences that like high intensity action over standing around idling and doing mundane grindy shit like you guys are into.
MMOs died by trying to appeal to sweaty skillbased shit. Why would anyone looking for a skillbased game go to an mmo when they could just play league, valorant, csgo, etc. MMOs are at their best when combat is easy to get in to, but has a high enough ceiling to allow for creativity.
Dark souls is carried by its environments. It’s combat is mediocre, and it’s lore is nonsensical. Memorizing attack patterns to roll is just as much ddr, except with one solution to every pattern and harsh punishments for latency. Journalists are easily memed into thinking they are punishingly hard, but in reality the fights are just tedious
They're unironically some of the best games ever created and MMO developers should take notes like everyone else.
Explain why dark souls is good without using a single buzzword. Then explain how the mmo genre would benefit in any capacity by taking notes from it. Ideally without using buzzwords on that part as well.
these attacks and movements don't work very well in an online environment
just look at dark souls pvp pure rock paper scissors latency jank
>dark souls
>fun
that's a (You) problem
>Somewhat interested in seeing how XIV's Viper and Pictomancer will play
>Know they're just gonna be shoehorned into the same grossly dull, narrow, and boring playstyle as every other DPS in that game, just with different particle effects
Ugh.
If you're fine with the pace being closer to something like the 6th gen Ninja Gaiden titles rather than Souls, Vindictus fits that bill.
Current-year Vindi is honestly pretty great, right up until you hit the inevitable KMMO pay2win wall, and your equipment progression grinds to a halt. Fun stuff until then, at least. Its combat model has still yet to be topped, even a decade on (which is moreso telling of how agonizingly stagnant the genre has become, granted).
The problem with vindictus is that it isn't really an MMO at all, it's just a lobby game where you queue for tiny instances all the time.
Someone should make something like New World but with good combat and mechanics.
That's unfortunately true, but it's slim pickings when it comes to MMOs with actually-good combat out there.
Only real entry in the genre which MIGHT come close to the ideal of "good action combat + decent community which isn't entirely on Discord and actually uses in-game chat every now and then" is GW2, but that's obviously a pretty divisive title on these boards.
Generally speaking, however, you gotta choose one or the other. An MMO-feeling MMO with boring as hell combat like XIV, or something where combat is king at the expense of virtually everything else, such as in many KMMOs out there. Unless you're a FFXI chad, but good luck breaking into that title without an existing friends group or Linkshell to join for the ride.
If you liked 11 you should give dqx a try because it's literally just 11 but better and in the dragon quest franchise.
I'd rather just wait for new MMOs than booting up any of these awful games again, the hope that someone will eventually get it right in the future is good enough for me.
>lobby game
superior form of MMOs
open world is mostly just novelty that wormed into the minds of people for various reasons, but from gameplay viewpoint it's usually useless or a hindrance even
It's hard to go to a lobby game when you've experienced a seamless world full of players going about their business. Emergent interactions between players can happen in a seamless open world, conflicts that lead to pvp, hardships that lead to cooperation. That stuff can never happen in a lobby game.
it's a big can of worms
>PvP
unfair sides, ganking, mob tagging, disproportionate rewards, players collaborating on the server to trade PvP for the rewards
>speaking of MOBs
how silly is that these enemies just stand around in the world doing nothing, they barely have any agency, they are just there for you to slaughter, most of the time effortlessly
>hardships to coop
what hardships really? these mindless mobs? well if you increase their difficulty then you gotta decide if you still want to cater to solo or casual players
do you want to risk losing those players, those sales? what if people just blob up and steamroll whatever content there is in the open world(see guild wars 2 "trains")? how do you fix that?
I think open world is just a flawed design which is only propped up by novelties like the emergent interactions you mentioned, but most of the time the games are not built around those, they don't utilize those to enhance gameplay and those are just by-products of how the game works otherwise.
Having some of those novel interactions is better than having none in a souless lobby game.
Most problems you've mentioned aren't inherent problems of an open world, for example it's not like you can't have npcs with agency in an open world.
Unfair sides and ganking in pvp is part of the fun, it's not an arena for arranged fights, it's a sporadic and ever shifting landscape. You need to take precautions, make arrangements and cooperate with others to gain advantages.
This kind of stuff is, or at least used to be the lifeblood of the genre until a bunch of no-fun PvE homosexuals showed up and made everything about killing dumb monsters by yourself.
everything you said sounds great in theory but always sucks shit in practice every time
Most likely because you refuse to play the games the way they're meant to be played, you go in like a lone wolf and get shit on by people that party up and game the systems. Many such cases.
I've ran a big zerg with a guild and a sweaty leader yelling nonstop for an hour obliterating everything in sight literally two weeks ago it's not as amazing of an experience as you sell it
>what if people just blob up and steamroll whatever content there is in the open world(see guild wars 2 "trains")? how do you fix that?
Don't reward players for steamrolling content in a zerg?
So you want a game where grouping up is not rewarded and lone wolf farming is the intended playstyle? Make up your mind bud
There's a middle ground between solo play and zerging, design your game better.
Yeah, it's called instanced dungeons/raids.
Preferably with a raid finder (lobby) system.
but then they just split up to coordinated smaller groups and the content is always consumed by just one group of players at a time or if pvp is an option then maybe even fought over
some players might like it and some not, depending on what the content is then it even affects the ingame economy, leveling progress and so on
forgot to add: if you are decreasing the number of players that can engage in a specific content at a given time then aren't you making work like a lobby-based game already?
I don't see any problems with this really.
I'm not really decreasing their numbers though, just influencing their actions via the reward system.
Like if having 100 players for a world boss doesn't make the fight any easier or yield any more rewards than having 20 players, then 20 players would be a preferable group size. Perhaps the boss gets exponentially harder if there are more players fighting it making it impossible to defeat it unless there are around 20-30 players doing the fight. Guilds would need to band together to chase off other players or come to agreements on a turn order.
Shit like this makes a social game interesting.
>I'm not really decreasing their numbers though, just influencing their actions via the reward system.
But you do? Even in your example you are limiting the number to 20. Yeah sure the rest can go play PvP. If they want to, if PvP is even good, if they are not just trading the kill with the other guild.
honestly I feel like that a guild getting monopoly on this would be a huge issue and even cause loss of playerbase
I don't know, anon, I have yet to see a game with such deeply embedded social interactions to be greatly successful in the long run.
Also to turn back a bit, how does this necessitate the open world design anyway? I really feel like you are getting a lot of problems out of it, that then you have to solve and only getting a niché thing in return
So if you're not in the #1 guild doing boss rotas you never get to fight it.
If you were smarter you'd instance the boss and basically invent 20 man raids, but you weren't and now your shit game is dead for it
>everything you said sounds great in theory but always sucks shit in practice every time
I played EQ on Tallon Zek, I agree that is was very fun, but also really not suitable for modern mmo players and the level moderation they’ve come to expect. The nearest equivalent in modern gaming is Rust.
If you want this kind of ultra-griefing open world pvp, play rust. Adding to to a game like xiv would substantially reduce its player base (probably by over 90%).
I never said anything about XIV, it's a safe haven for lobby standing, erp spamming carebears that grind and queue instances all day. Those kinds of players aren't compatible with fun.
but why would a lobby game be soulless? see monster hunter hubs, a lobby could still act like any city in an open world mmo, it's just when you leave it you enter an instanced area better tailored to it's purpose, for example a 5 man dungeon with proper encounter and enemy difficulty tuned to 5 players. honestly it could even have an instanced open world like zone for those emergent pvp interactions, but it could be more contained and specifically made with that goal in mind
>it's not like you can't have npcs with agency in an open world.
Which MMOs have that?
> at least used to be the lifeblood of the genre until a bunch of no-fun PvE homosexuals showed up and made everything about killing dumb monsters by yourself.
yeah when the open world ONLINE gameplay was a new thing and most players were clueless idiots who had difficulty handling combat in a game like WoW
>and most players were clueless idiots who had difficulty handling combat in a game like WoW
Combat difficulty in early WoW and most older games came from the numbers, not the mechanics. Sure there were some edge cases with kiting and such but in general you had to assess if your character was strong enough to take on a given encounter and if it was then you'd be fine as long as you pressed a couple buttons on time. People had difficulty assessing the encounters correctly. In time this was dumbed down to the extent that regular encounters didn't need to be assessed.
>Combat difficulty in early WoW and most older games came from the numbers, not the mechanics
No, there were many more things that could occur and less ways to resolve those problems. Combat was slower, but because it was in a shared environment, you’d have pathing mobs, respawns, adds (yes, in old mmos mobs would stare dumbly as you massacred their friends and would gang up on you), etc. Also they would chase you forever, rather than for 40 yards before getting bored.
>you’d have pathing mobs, respawns, adds
I'd argue that this is part of assessing the encounter. If you play a game for a bit you're bound to start learning this stuff and start considering it as you pull mobs. You spin your camera, pay attention to patrols, consider the respawn timers of the mobs you or others have killed recently.
Old games that had mobs follow you to the zoneline that fact made mispulls far more dangerous as being able to escape was less likely but that simply affects how you assess encounters.
>This kind of stuff is, or at least used to be the lifeblood of the genre until a bunch of no-fun PvE homosexuals showed up and made everything about killing dumb monsters by yourself.
so you could just kill dumb monsters by yourself the same if you assessed the encounter correctly
how is this unique to open world design anyway? in a lobby based game you could just gather a group, INTERACT with OTHER PLAYERS, and go together. no soul in that?
You're quoting someone else while replying to me so I don't quite follow. I didn't say anything about soul.
MMOs and lobby games are different. Soul or soulless is an entirely different discussion. I don't think a lobby game is inherently soulless. I'm personally a big fan of MH series and PSO. Modern lobby "MMO" games are pretty soulless though.
well, sorry, it's been part of the reply-chain you joined
>but most of the time the games are not built around those, they don't utilize those to enhance gameplay and those are just by-products of how the game works otherwise.
That's because modern "MMO" design is shit. It's true that the open world in games like XIV has no purpose because the game isn't designed to utilize it.
We need to go back to the open world focused design. No instances, those belong in lobby based games.
Lobby games are an entirely different genre.
Modern WoW is a lobby game.
You're not wrong there. At some point it pretty much stopped being an MMO.
Kind of surprised there hasn't been a chink 'Dark Souls but MMO' type of thing yet. Well maybe there has but it was so unnotable that no one ever spoke about it outside of China
FFXIV is not an MMO
well then what the hell is it
A final fantasy game with multiplayer elements.
How is it even remotely an mmo?
>can't do the story together, half the time you have to drop group for instances
>entire story from arr to endwalker is running from one npc to the next, sometimes queueing a dungeon
At every turn this game removes incentive for playing with others, unless you are doing a dungeon or trial.
What's your definition of an mmo, show me what you value as an mmo game.
Content that incentivizes you to socialize with your fellow players and organically group together to solve collective struggles or quests. Even quests to kill basic monsters or farm some gear is more compelling than anything 14 does outside of eureka type content.
Let's use Dragon Quest 10 as an example
>you can only have one profession on a character
>past level 35, gear cannot be bought or obtained from vendors, it ONLY comes from crafting or world drops from killing shit
>vocations actually have depth, the mmo trinity exists but there are jobs that excel at hybridization, or being pure support, and while you can just rent peoples characters as npcs, you are far better off actually playing with others in a group to kill things and do stuff efficiently
>just being in a party with someone allows you to use their teleport locations
>individual player value is cemented in the game
>full fledged casino, that gives you bonuses for sitting in the same section as party members so you can go chill and play slots/roulette/video poker with people and chat
>built in tycoon card game that you can challenge a friend to wherever and whenever
>events that incentivize party play such as a slime hide and seek game where more people in your party generally results in a higher score and better rewards
14 does not do enough to encourage people to talk or interact in its world. Because, surprise surprise, it's world is FRICKING EMPTY AND DEAD BESIDES FATES.
>Dragon Quest X
No one outside of Japan plays that game, why do you think 14 is so popular outside of Japan as well as inside? Because they localised the game, I'm not going to touch Dragon Quest because it's in Nipponese, there is no EU or NA community playing that game.
>no one outside of japan plays the game
I'm playing the game right now. There are multiple NA communities, the game is fully translated up to version 7. But of course you don't know that and I'd personally be happier if it means people with your mindset stay gatekept. I don't want a repeat of what happened to pso2.
No one outside of weebs plays Dragon Quest outside of Japan. Meanwhile millions of people play 14 outside of Japan in NA and EU. Are you going to keep this up pretending they are even remotely on the same level? Remove yourself from your echochamber and see how irrelevant DragonQuest is outside of JP and even more irrelevant of an mmo.
Are you actually implying that final fantasy isn't weeby as frick? They're both jrpg franchises from the same fricking company. Fricking hell dragon quest 10 is literally on the crystal tools engine that 14 couldn't manage to develop some basic competency around and work with.
Why the frick should anyone give a single shit about relevancy or numbers? What the frick does that have to do with a game being good or not? Are you a soulless golem who just follows where the majority of people go? Are you incapable of forming your own opinion? What the frick is that argument besides pathetically weak? You reek of desperation to fit in and belong to a collective.
At no point did I ever remotely claim they were on the same level of popularity. I simply said 10 is better than xiv. Because it is. No amount of wowfugee influxes to bolster your numbers will ever change that. At the end of the day 14 is a tab target rotation based wowclone that does most things including the story, noticeably better than wow. But it's still a wowclone. And wow sucks.
I'm implying that only weebs play DragonQuest outside of Japan and that's a fact, the community is so small as to be completely irrelevent the game devs don't even bother localising the games anymore.
Meanwhile 14 might have been weeby, but it's broken that it's played outside of JP by none weebs, by people who traditionally hated the idea of a weeb game.
You have a very blinkered view of these two games, because you, a weeb only think of how they are perceived in Japan.
Dragon Quest 11 sold over 2 million copies outside of Japan. The only reason it's particularly niche to begin with is because square enix refuses to market it like they do for final fantasy.
>the game devs don't even bother localising the games anymore.
what the frick are you talking about? You're just blatantly lying unless you're solely referring to spin off titles.
>You're just blatantly lying unless
Can you stop being so fricking moronic.
>they don't localize the games
>the most recent title in the series barring spin offs was fully localized and has a smash representative
No anon, how about you stop being moronic.
DQX being jap only doesn't make XIV any more of an MMO.
Not a good argument, especially today.
I don't know what you mean. XIV isn't an MMO.
good, keep it up. you can stay away from my DQX kamige.
This guy gets it. Can't speak personally on DQX though. But my experience in FFXIV has been miserable, socially.
I would come back to play FF14 if they ever do a massive update to the Golden Saucer. I haven't played since 2021, so maybe they did. I just want real gambling between players and more games
It's insane how there is a massive underserved niche of people that want to actually play an MMORPG within their own market.
Took a break from FF after I finished the story for the expansion, now I’m playing WoW preparing for Cata Classic. The new season in Dragonflight is giving me a headache with how item upgrades work.
>Cata Classic
that can't be real
Cataclysm was almost 14 years ago, almost everything people claim Cata “ruined” except for revamping the map, came from WotLK.
Anyways it’s got some of the best dungeons in the entire game and I’ll be running them alot just for how fun my classes were back then.
okay have fun i guess
man i can't wait for shadowlands classic
Thanks!
All I wanted was an infinite mode torghast with a single life and no limits until your client crashed from doing 16 quadrillion dps or you died first, but noooooooo! You VILL finish the run at 6 floors, you VILL grind those same boring 6 floor runs for petty upgrade mats!
How do you frick up a roguelike this badly when one afternoon of coding could make it the best content in the whole game for fricks sake
Playing “classic” WoW has to be the worst junkie behavior. It’s over, it’s solved, you did it all1000 times 20 years ago, but like a rat in a Skinner box you just keep hitting the lever. At least the retail junkies have the excuse they can hope new things will come and advance the story or the mechanics. Classic is just giving up entirely. Nostalgia is a vice, a deficiency of hope, a despair in the possibilities of a better future.
Classic is a rotting corpse of the vanilla days with all that server layering bullshit making it another modern lobby multiplayer game that is a mmo in name only.
The elder scrolls online is better than the MMO you play
I played TESO and it was pretty boring and bad
this lacks bethesda's jankiness to be at least remotely interesting
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Wrong
TESO is the worst thing that ever happened to the Elder Scrolls franchise, frick that game.
>sponsored content
Not going to watch it because its sponsored content, kudos on the channel owner for mentioning it in the thumbnail though.
You also shouldn't watch it because that gay didn't scrub his link properly.
>?si=
How do you post a YT link without that...asking for an ignorant friend, haha....
So you go to the video you want to post.
You mouse up to the address bar...
And you copy the link.
Then you paste the link.
If there is any excess material such as ?list=, ?si=, or &t=, you just hold backspace until that's all gone. The only one you keep is "watch?v=" and the string following it.
Why is that important? I doubt youtube can embed malicious code.
Tracking information. Youtube started adding this to literally "connect people together" within their systems. A case of:
>This user knows this user, so it starts putting a few recs from one's feed into the other's
>And also it keeps track of this connection between users (and also it tracks the site that you watch/open a video on, but that's not as new, you should always copy/paste links rather than opening them directly)
>The idea of Youtube knowing you have any connection to (some random dude) isn't a big idea, but then you remember YT is owned by Google and they actively farm out this information and use it for all their advertising bullshit and algorithms, trying to "link the whole world" often in ways people don't want
TL;DR: Don't let Google spy on you.
That is a sufficient explanation, I usually almost always copy and paste links into a different, more secure browser as a part of my opsec whenever I find something here, but this is good to know.
>shit combat
>shit graphics
>wonky class system
>extremely pozzed
ah yes, teso
I played it a bit, I disliked how standardized the body morphs were. Yes, you could a gigantic ass on your orc, but there were no longer freaky lanky hugh elves, midget satyr wood elves, etc. I rather have diverse body morphs.
I don't know if I should get back in FFXIV or Genshin
Genshin is an MMO?
no thank god
>dude, FFXIV is unplayable shit now because they didn't do another Eureka/Bozja in EW!
>no I won't talk about how there's absolutely nothing like that in WoW in the first place, or how they've already confirmed this exact type of content coming back in Dawntrail!
>I'm going to gush over [insert borderline obscure MMO that has less than 1k players in the west and that I haven't played in well over a decade here] instead and pretend like I'm actually playing it right now for more than 30 minutes a week!
Bozjagays love to ignore the shit is dead content. Oh boy, sure was smart to make 3 alliance raids where 40 people can go in together and put them behind fate/relic grinding zones so nobody ever does them now.
Not for years but I might catch up on FF14. The housing shit always kills it for me though, I've lost like 3 really great houses over the years from taking breaks and tbh I need to have a house to motivate me to keep my crafters in top shape.
No. I firmly refuse to play games that might have my money stolen for saying word. I attempted to find some private servers or community server games, but beyond Gankerscape I was not successful. Places like Ultima Outlands and other hogwash have your typical boilerplate "We will ban you for heckin toxiciterino" TOS homosexualry, so I don't bother.
no
I haven't logged in for a couple months, but I keep my sub active just because I want to support it. At this point I hate FF14, but I will resub for DT because FF11 mentioned.
>wasting money on a dead game
Why?
You can go to jeuno at any time of day and find hundreds of people still running ambuscade or chatting. it's objectively more lively for actual gameplay than limsa is.
Because I like that it exists and if I can contribute in some small way to it's continued existence, I'm happy to do so.
Based anon supporting the games he doesn't want to see die.
eve online everyday every second of my pathetic fricking life for the past 7 months
play old, shitty mmos
that describes most of them
there's a bunch that I wish had pservers because I never got to play them back in the day because I was busy with other games or jsut didn't know about them
I play Black Desert Online, the best mmo ever created.
That game certainly has some sexy girls, I'll give you that.
>install it
>It's in Turkish
>no instructions on how to change the language
>mess aroun in the options for 30 minutes
>fail
>Uninstall it
More or less yes.
Tried FF14 free trial, can only play around 0800 otherwise i have to wait in queues.
Tried GuildWars2, did the tutorial and deleted the game
Tried PSO2NG also dropped after getting to big city.
Now mostly play ESO. Im enjoying it.
Its like skyrim but with bigger map and not as sovl(I play it as a singleplayer game)
But yeah its been like a week since i last played ESO since ive been mainly occupied with arkham knight
I still log in once a week to 14 because my moron group still hasn't cleared p12s
ESO if i ever get that MMO itch again. Anything else i am interested in is never releasing.
ESO gaming, although the pain of not being able to find groups (or matchmake into even barely competent ones) makes me only log in for the dailies recently.
I played ff14 until endwalker, the intro bored me to tears and I'm not doing the same song and dance for the 5th time.
I played Eso for some time, and the open nature of the game makes me want to play it every other year or so, and with eso+ I get the missed dlc's for free, play them and move on in 2 months or so.
Now I'm playing GoW2, its the most mmo type mmo out of all modern mmo's at the moment. Really alive world with plenty of players on every map, so there's a lot of player interaction and map exploratio, more so in the dlc, is unmatched in the mmo sphere. But combat gets a bit stale(but thats for every mmo).
Thank you for reading my round up of the mmo's I played.
Yes, I'm playing Realm of the Mad God right now. The realm rework just released and is really good.
whats even mmo playing?, literal task manager 2 buttom play
mmogays so desperate for some dopamine rush
morons like you only ever look at the combat
EQ was great despite the combat being simple because it didn't need complex combat
"don't worry guys dawntrail will be the holiday special with player choice that we've wanted for years!"
>can't tell wuk lamat directly that i don't feel comfortable further meddling in politics
>even if i did i don't know her or the general situation nearly enough to make this decision
>brief hope when Graham Tea says i can just go along, explore, and decide later
>queue cutscene where everyone just kind of acts like i'm going specifically to help Wuk Lamat and my character doesn't even get the chance to deny it
Dawntrail is already doomed to failure because it's going to try and be character-focused when we're already explored every inch of the Scion's characters. You can't have new characters do that because every expansion gets bogged down in the obligatory 'meet the locals' shit so much that it stops being remotely entertaining and they just blur together.
Where did they ever say player choice will matter in DT? Its always been the illusion of choice, where maybe 1 line is different. I mean the whole premise is that we are getting caught up in some political race with the scions split between opposing political parties. But honestly the politcal shit is going to pushed to the side halfway through for whatever the techno-Black person Phantasy star shit is.
they've been not so subtlty trying to make the player character more independent since HW and everything is clearly leading towards some fake choice in who we cooperate with in dawntrail
I much prefer the WoL being an observer / cipher / plot device to her being a “character” (written by kate)
>her
>(written by kate)
bro does not remember heavensward and stormblood localized by koji fox, nor can he name any of the japanese writers that aren't ishikawa
>head canon
There will be no choice of who we cooperate with. At most we get another "choose who knocks at your door for sex" scene again.
>will be the holiday special with player choice
who said this
>Played lotro every change I had as a teenager
>Probably why I had terrible social skills until the end of le covid
There's a couple of MMOs coming out that a few old guild mates have mentioned that I'll check out with them but I really have 0 interest in committing to MMOs with how they currently are.
there is no good mmo's that arent super expensive
wow
>sub
ff14
>sub
guild wars 2
>buy to play
elder scrolls would be viable if it wasnt a shit game killed by level scaling content so that there is no progression.
runescape
>no gameplay
any korean mmo
>lma0 macro transactions
>lma0 grind
maybe diablo 4, but its missing the massive part i like about mmos
>$12 a month
>super expensive
Ganker needs to start charging $15 a month
You forgot that Runescape is sub as well.
>But you can F2P grind!
And it's fricking miserable prior to getting your sub.
And it's fricking miserable prior to getting high Slayer (which you can't do unbonded).
What is the appeal of gathering 10000 boar asses?
No, just 4 gacha.
I've recently started XIV, most of realm reborn was a chore until operation archon starts, then it gets fun. And then once I got to the updates between ARR and HW I really started liking it, the crystal tower raids and Extreme trials were great and the story was actually interesting, I was invested in the characters and the game didn't force me to go in a banquet quest for a bunch of buttholes
I play FFXIV and FFXI.
In XI I sit in a buddies linkshell and help out. I have access to 3 characters that can fill any meta slot all nearly fully BIS with billions of gil invested in them. I think I spent a billion on dark matter augments alone. I hop on to help out newer players clear stuff and get them gear. In XIV I live in mentor roulette when works not making me clear up database problems and run tickets.
Off and on various MMOs throughout my life. I would love to settle down on one, but there is no such thing as a perfect game.
Runescape dominated my childhood, but I've done everything I wanted and put it down for good with fond memories.
Maplestory is a similar though less impactful, beat the Black Mage and called it good, Nexon sucks ass worse than any other MMO company I can think of.
A few others I have tried but never got too big on, City of Heroes/Villians, TERA, Maplestory 2, Warhammer Age of Reckoning, and a few early 2000s browser trash I can't remember the names of back in the day.
WoW and FFXIV I still play from time to time.
and Star Wars Galaxies and SWTOR. Surprised I forgot those 2.
Galaxies was great until SoE tried to turn it into another WoW and fricked it. SWTOR is pretty good for an honorary KotOR 3 and while I can't say I still play it I did like what I did even if it's just another WoW clone at the end of the day.
We need a new game like SWG. Focus on the sandbox features, replayability and players making their own fun.
i play idleon. it's pretty fun
playing XIV to help strangers cum
No.
Played WoW from 2008 to 2013
played XIV on and off ever since
still unsure if i care enough to resub for Dawntrail, looks boring and the game got stale a while ago. Wish it would just go back to more FF fanservice and less gay OC fanfic
please leave the website, attention seeker
don't (you) me little Black person, hope your mother dies
i said leave, now leave you Black person attention seeker
>claims i seek attention
>gives me attention
nice double digit IQ kek, your poor mother
I grind raids in a sweaty asiatic mmo nonstop
what game
lost ark
why didn't you point that out in the first post?