do you have a favorite retro console? something you dig out of the closet once a year for old nostalgia sake
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do you have a favorite retro console? something you dig out of the closet once a year for old nostalgia sake
Nothing after gen 5 is retro
gen 5 isn't retro
Cope more.
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The time between the PS1 and Xbox was only 7 years. Gen 6 is now 20 years old.
I, the dictator of common sense, declare that no games must have been made for a console for at least a decade to be considered retro.
So seven more years for the ps5.
>no games must have been made for a console for at least a decade to be considered retro.
Guess the Atari 2600 is no longer retro.
https://hypebeast.com/2023/10/atari-2600-save-mary-cartridge-release
Wouldn't it be better to just use the "you know it when you see it" rule?
>10 years makes something retro
That's the common time period in other industries, yes.
This song is Retro now for example
>20 years makes something ancient
NCAA 14 one the '360
Yes
How the frick is something "retro" after 10 years? Whose rule is that? moronic.
It's probably a way for people who sell 'retro' game equipment can upcharge for it. Hobbiests/enthusiasts create a market for rip off salesmen. Same way the new CRT tv boom has everyone trying to list their shitty box tv as 'vintage'.
>10 years
>retro
It's at least twice that. I'd even argue that it's 20 years after end of production.
>End of production
>mfw the Sega Master System isn't retro
Sega DOES what nintenDON'T!
>GTAV is retro
The word has no meaning anymore
Retro is generally agreed upon to be 15 years, not 10. AKA, The time between the SNES releasing and the Xbox 360.
PS4 ain't retro yet.
>Retro is generally agreed upon to be 15 years
No it isn't moron
Retro is more like the amount of years it takes a newborn to be able to legally drink alcohol in America (21)
Yeah look at these amazing specs.
They're not "dated" per say. Not top-notch either.
Why do we video game gays use the term retro to describe age while everyone else use the term retro to only describe aesthetic?
Because the literal definition of "retro" means "something looking like a style of the past" and has nothing to do with the actual age of said something.
I've told y'all a dozen times the real definition of retro. If you can't hook it up to the TV in the living room with the cables it came with, it's retro. If you can still hook it up with the cables it came with, it's not retro.
>uses a crt for my living room tv
>now it's the reverse
Pretty sure most tvs can still connect to an NES without adapters.
Simultaneously a good and bad litmus test because on the surface it sounds like you're trying to imply "retro is muh composite cable era" when in reality you're saying that when the technology they use has become so nonstandard as to not even be supported by your average consumer television, they're definitely retro.
Most tvs still come with coaxial inputs for digital antennas and lots of retro consoles had coax out so this doesn't work
To me if a console has a hard drive it's not retro
>Retro
>10 years
I hate zoomers.
I've got an og sexbox, ps2cool4u and nigtendon64, I play all of them pretty often
My PS2 and psp
>vibes
Kill all zoomers
Um, no, sweetie. You can gatekeep the term retro all you want, but it's not a valid argument against what's stated in the OP.
Retro is actually 3 years.
So stuff like Slender, FNaF and Signal Simulator are retro now because there’s been countless copycats lately?
No
But all of those follow your rules. Is Bioshock retro because it tried to replicate the feeling System Shock 2?
No
Then change your definition for “retro”
No
Yes it is retro, it is over ten years old.
Retro is 6.5 years old actually
So it makes it almost double retro then.
By your logic, the clones of the games you picked would be retro, not the original games thenselves
"Retro" just means consoles moronic redditors want to put in their barcade because their uncle touched them.
You'll even see moron on here getting mad when you tell them that the 360 is retro lol
>>>/vr/
The Wii is retro.
I think my favorite retro console might be Master System
That's considered vintage now
I'm more concerned about pretending the PS4 wasn't total dogshit.
/v/'s lifelong hateboner for anything not-Nintendo serves only to hurt it.
Well yeah, it's a snoybox after all.
Why does the fact that PS4 is retro cause Ganker autists such buttpain?
>the fact that PS4 is retro
?
See what I mean
Not really
You're in the 'denial' phase of grief. Don;t worry, it can get better. It just takes some time.
Will do
That's not a fact.
I currently have the following hooked up through my FrameMeister upscaler:
>SCART
PS1, PS2, Saturn, Dreamcast
>component
Wii, OG Xbox
>composite
NES, SNES, Genesis, Sega CD, N64, Gamecube
Also, whoever Retronauts is, they're a homosexual, retro = 20 years, not 10.
>Grow up imagining how cool the future of videogames will be
>See pixels become 3D, 3D get more refined
>Industry stagnates
>Industry has gone backwards, some triple A games aren't even pushing 1080p, 30FPS because they can use meme tech to upscale
>Literally nothing is optimized anymore
>Everything worth looking forward to is remakes of games I played as a kid
How did it come to this?
>Looking forward terrible remakes
because you bought the shit games
>Ganker and /vr/ constantly lauded the term Retro as time-based since the dawn of video games
>newer 6th and 7th gen consoles started hitting over 10 years old
>everyone shriveling in fear and attempting revisionism
This is called fear of aging, kids. Get used to it, it will only get worse
>Ganker is one person
>and their opinion matters
No
Being able to admit the mistakes of your youth is also a part of aging, which is why the change is necessary. The transition in design philosophy that occurred during the PS1/N64 generation is a logical cutoff point. Everything beyond that starts to follow a more streamlined design. Even graphics start to all look similar past the PS2. Using a time based criteria means you end up in a situation where retro games look and play like modern games and vise versa and the distinction no longer has any meaning. At that point is more useful to just say how old the game is or what console it was for. Once VR or something significantly different takes over that actually stands out from modern games, then we can start calling ps2-4 new retro and the original retro can be retro classic.
He's just going to call you old
>then we can start calling ps2-4 new retro and the original retro can be retro classic.
Oh frick right off with this. You were so close with mentioning the change in design philosophy, but denoting it as a hard cutoff is just so stupid. In fashion, the 70s were retro, then the 80s became retro, then the 90s became retro. The 70s didn't stop being retro, they just became a less fashionable brand of retro. Nor were the 80s "new retro", even though the 70s were at one point retro.
Because retro is not a specific year or set of years. It never will be. Retro just means "different from what's current". If you want to pretend games have gotten completely static, then fine, go ahead. It's hyperbolic and we both know it. Therefore, contemporary game design philosophy is OBJECTIVELY still changing. It's just infinitesimally slower than it was.
>In fashion
Video games aren't fashion
Fashion was just an example, dipshit. EVERY use of retro in EVERY artistic field was like that before you morons started trying to pen down retro in video games specifically as one particular set of years.
>artistic
Video games aren't art either lol
The names were intended to be a joke since new retro is a contradiction and retro classic is redundant.
I want to see the face of anyone's grandpa when this shit is said to them in any technological context
Spoken language was a mistake
I always thought it was 20-25 years to be retro or is that just for class cars
Yes, the best one.
Truly the Asuka of gaming
Anything made post Y2K is NOT retro.
>10 years
Isn't 20 years the cutoff point for video games generally? Either way, I don't consider anything that's less than 20 years old to be retro by any stretch of the margin.
SNES was retro by the time ps1 rolled out.
>retro is anything XX years old
Cringe.
>retro is anything before the year XXXX
Also cringe.
The definition of retro changes, but only as fast as what is contemporary changes. When something is noticeably different from standard solely due to its age, it's retro.
20 years ago, the Sega Genesis would've been obviously retro in spite of being only 10 years old. Because the games you could play on a modern console would absolutely not have been possible to make, not technically nor in game design terms.
But now, a 15 year old console has nothing to DEFINITIVELY distinguish its games from a console made this year. No genres were figured out between generations, no ubiquitous new mechanics were invented making use of better technology, the visuals might not even be much better now, we just got gimmicks that nobody else will ever iterate on.
Of course, that's not entirely true. Over time, infinitesimally small changes in the overall "cadence" of the games industry will represent themselves as changes to what is contemporary, thus slowly shuffling the definition of retro forward. The rise of trends like survival with crafting and open world can be used to measure the passage of time on a cultural level, in this respect.
For a practical example, the PS2 is retro, but it only became retro in the past five or six years, since it was so closely followed up by an era of absolute design stagnation.
If it can be emulated, it's retro. Simply put.
We are really in the end of history.
I honestly thought retro just means stuff made before the 21st century. So things like the n64, psx, even the Dreamcast Buț not ps2, gamecube and onwards.
The word "retro" was used in all sorts of fields for decades before the turn of the century. Why in the frick would it have a definition based on the turn of the century?
>Kids in grade school are now retro
Big red flag "Retronauts".
This is pretty moronic considering many games (such as dead by daylight) are cross platform with PS5 or whatever the frick the current xbox is called.
Nothing with a HDMI port will ever be retro. Simple as.
And yet, everyone who is into it is either a neonazi and/or a homosexual
So the Wii and Xbox 360 are retro?
Old vidya/consoles aren't retro, they are classics. That's the proper age-dependent term. Meanwhile, a retro console per the proper definition would be those sprite era based mini-consoles that shipped with a selection of classic games already on them. In a way that moronic Amiico thing would've also qualified due to its look and functions. Sprite games made todat are also retro since sprite graphics are for the most part out of style in the industry. Same goes for intentionally low poly with dithering.
But is the PS4 a classic console? Some of the games on it are considered classics by now, but I wouldn't say the console itself is yet given how it's still receiving backports and is the primary choice for a lot of players who couldn't get a PS5 yet or didn't because the PS5 doesn't have games. Meanwhile, mainstream and especially AAA games have changed very little since the 7th gen. At some point a 7th or 8th gen game may be seen as a retro thing to replicate but we aren't at that point yet.
>Some of the games on it are considered classics by now
By morons maybe.
If retro just means old then retro as a word has no meaning. Everything will retro by this standard just because some time passes.
This comment will be RETRO in 10 years. (we don't make the rules)
Retro means old. Groovy means cool which means bad which means rad which means good. Words don’t have meaning, they have vibes. No cap frfr
>moron doesn't understand the definition of retro
>let alone what would constitute as retro in the world of video games
Typically speaking, something has to be about 20+ years to be considered retro.
In the context of vidya, it usually has to be 15 or so years, or 2 console generations behind to be considered retro.
The PS4, XBONE, and Wii U are not retro consoles because all of these consoles were made between 2012 and 2013 - 10/11 years ago.
The 360/PS3/Wii are now retro because they were released in 2005/6 - some 17/18 years ago and are 2 console generations behind.
To further hammer down this point, /vr/ does not allow ANY game or console discussion of anything released after 2007 - the board quite literally made for the discussion of retro vidya.
Any other deviation from the above is certifiably being made from either a moronic zoomer, shitposter arguing in bad faith, or some homosexual coping with facts.
>citing Ganker as an appeal to authority
As opposed to?
As opposed to not doing that
So then your input is every much as worthless as the one you just dismissed.
Not really. Appeal to authority is still a fallacy whether or not I brought it up
And again, you cannot provide any authority or consensus on what retro is in the scope of vidya, so your statement and opinion is still fricking worthless.
>And again, you cannot provide any authority
Probably because that would be an appeal to authority which is a logical fallacy
"Or consensus" you illiterate moron. If you cannot provide a definition to what "retro" means, cannot state who or what should be listened to in gaining an understanding of what "retro" means in the context of video games, and can only say "nope you're wrong", then your posts are fricking worthless.
The length it takes for something to become retro changes depending on how long things stay contemporary.
If you went back to 2001, walked into a games store, and called the Genesis retro, nobody would bat an eye. Even though it was only 10 years old at the time. Because in 2001, modern games were still changing rapidly, even if the forms they'd take by the end of the console generation would be their rough forms for decades to come.
But the fricking Xbox 360 didn't become retro in the 2010s. It's still not retro. Because the way games were designed on the 360, at least by the end of its lifespan, is pretty much identical to the way those same genres of games would be designed now.
>GTAV is retro
Yes, it came out on the 360. The 360 has been retro for quite a while now.
Lol
It is, from the graphics, to the bad controls, to the problematic story, it is a fossilized turd. Even with 100gb of new textures it clearly shows how old it is.
>Shark card purchases
WoW still has whales, Lineage II still has whales, doesn’t make em not retro. The players are just dementia patients.
>problematic story
>every fricking game plays the same and almost looks exactly the same as games released in the ps360 era
Woah, so this is the power of the passage of time. Dark Souls 2 is on the verge of being retro!
We haven't come very far in the last ten years, have we?. That's kind of sad. Why is technology stagnating? Why did we go from the NES to the PS1 so fast, but we only went from the PS4 to the PS5 in ten years? It's not that much of a technological leap, is it? Maybe I just don't understand this stuff, but it doesn't sound right.
Diminishing returns for one. The other is corporations. Corporations mean hr, hr means hiring your mom, your mom means getting railed by the developers, getting railed by the developers means getting caught, getting caught is problematic, being problematic means you are a victim, being a victim means setting up new ethic rules for the culture, changing the culture means hiring your sister, and so on and so forth.
No retro means old. Atari was retro by the nes release and they were in competition with each other.
>redditors when you tell them the ps4 is 10 years old and retro and that they're not teenagers anymore
zoomers are so fricking desperate to have any sort of culture man
you have tiktok, thats what you have and deserve, cope with it
>shook off a generation of bad vibes
>a return to form
Neither of these apply to the PS4 though
look at a game from 1990
then look at a game from 2000
a game from 2010
a game from 2020
you will notice that by far, the biggest jump is from 1990 to 2000
that jump made things from 1990 to be retro by 2000, but no such jump has happened in the last 10 years
>ITS XER TURN!
No, it is millennials that don’t want to admit they are 44 years old and still only have their wife’s black son if they are “successful”. If they are failures they only have retro games, meaning old games.
>when you're a 10 year old big boy and mom says you can identify as retro as long as you finish your homework
Great now I feel old.
i bought a scph7501 ps1 and think it's very cute
retro represents an old idea or thing that's no longer relevant, it's not a specific date
the ps4 is (unfortunately) still relevant, there's nothing the newest consoles can do that the ps4 couldn't, minus some framerate
>framerate
lmao, remember the "silky smooth 30 fps" threads?
HD era should be the cutoff for "retro". PS2 era onwards isn't retro.
>b-but muh other industries
Nobody thinks of fricking 2010 when they talk about 'retro' music or fashion, it's always 90's and before. Doesn't help that the years past the early 2000's are homogenous and lacking in cultural identity outside of social media shit
>Nobody thinks of fricking 2010 when they talk about 'retro' music or fashion
yes they do
I remember seeing NFL 2K Dreamcast gameplay up on a TV above the check out counter at KB Toys when I was 12 and initially confused it for a real NFL game on TV. That was probably the first time for me that I was in awe of a game's graphics. The capacity for realism went from flat 2D sprites with countable pixels and beep boop music to a believable realistic aesthetic in like 2 years. For me that's where I draw the line for retro/modern
Boomers be like
>Downloadable games? State of the fricking ART
even then, they'd be wrong
>Retro is when you make something new trying to replicate the feeling of older stuff.
Retro is anything of anachronistic design. It doesn't matter if it's a year old or 30. It's defined by having older design sensibilities. Which PS4 doesn't qualify for, in fact it's part of the generation that finally broke away from the ps2/xbox/gc gen.
Granted it was for online service and microtransaction and social regimentation, but still, it was a change
3 gens behind current gen is retro
so ps3 will become retro when the ps6 launches
ps4 will become retro when the ps7 launches
Lol
thats how it works on /vr/
being retro does not have anything to do with age.
its a generational thing.
ill illustrate with playstation being the example.
the ps 5 is current gen. the ps6 would be next gen.
the ps4 is previous gen and the ps3 and backwards is retro.
its >next gen > current gen > last gen > retro
for everything.
ill give the nintendo example too.
switch is current gen, wii u is last gen and wii is retro.
the age is irrelevant.
a console released 2 years ago could be considered retro if there have been two console releases since then.
Sexo
barbara ramirez
What's then was then, and what's now is then. The future is now old man.
Switch bros we be retro in 2 years
Switch came out 2017
I keep charging my psp go. Sometimes i turn it on, start dissidia, and watch the opening movie
The DS is a shit console with many great games stuck on it
I never owned a PS4. Is it worth getting one just for Bloodborne and Last Guardian?
PS5 will play them, better
The PS5 is only worth getting if you never got the PS4. Its a known fact!
Knack & Knack 2 as well.
No
DaS > DeS > Bloodborne > Elden Ring > Sekiro > Dark Souls 2 > Dark Souls 3
can we invent a new term to describe vidya from 1980 to 2001?
technically you always have by just using the Generational terms.
Vintage
Huh? Didn't the PS4 just come out?
Feels that way because there's no game that could only have existed on the PS5. It's entirely superfluous, just like the PS4. Nothing it brought to the table was necessary to any lasting enrichment for the games industry.
Holy shit.
I say this as someone born in 96, anything after Dreamcast isn't retro.
When a new console gets released the old one is retro. Thats the definition morons.
anything with hdmi isnt retro
God of War: Ragnarök and The Last of Us - Part II are my favorite retro games
>return to form
What?
Do those Black folk know what retro means?
~~*They*~~ really don't care bout us
I brought a zoomer girl over to a friend's house, and she saw his dreamcast and got all excited "OMG IS THAT AN ATARI!?"
He was visibly upset
>PS4 games are still being made
>morons are calling it retro