Do you have a God/Goddess of good Drow in your setting /tg/?
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Do you have a God/Goddess of good Drow in your setting?
Do you have a God/Goddess of good Drow in your setting /tg/?
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I don’t have drow in my setting because they’re cringe
They are sexy though
Sexy things are cringe. Sexuality doesn't belong in tabletop games, or anywhere else for that matter except between a man and woman inside the bounds of Church -recognized matrimony for the sole purpose of procreation. Any sexuality depicted anywhere else is inherently immoral and sinful.
Cringe tradcath
Sexuality is depicted in the bible quite a bit. EG: Bathsheba
YOU'RE CRINGE!
I don't run any D&D adjacent settings, so the answer is a polite: "no".
Also, Eilistraee is boring waifugay shit
Eilistraee will accept males as clerics as long as they spend some time polymorphed into a Drow woman.
Some find that they don't want to change back.
Which group of notorious /tg/ posters would this appeal to, I wonder?
(You), for bringing it up out of nowhere and then immediately trying to project onto someone else.
What a vile drow goddess, such terrible dark arts inflicted on men... I would not want to suffer such an ill fate... hahaha...
This is beyond cringe and I'd even go as far to say that it should possibly be removed from the setting... but I won't because I'm curious to see what plots could emerge from it.
That's not canon. Eilistraee is a goddess of all drow and doesn't put genders on pedestrals.
>he lacks the critical information
Tell me then, I'm really not up to date with all dndronery.
But for the record, most of the shit written about her is just that - shit. They retconned a lot of their own homosexualry and you should do more anyway.
Greenwood, who created Eilistraee, was a massive coomer with many a kink of which 'men being turned into sexy, horny babes' was a recurring one.
Dude was fricking ahead of his time
He'd probably spend all his time on f-list if he'd been born a little later.
haha who would want to be a female socially-acceptable nudist what a nightmare haha...............................
>want to see my head get really big?
the motivation for doing that seems like the exact opposite of the motivation that Those Posters have for shit, though. Specific way to accomplish a goal, versus "this is muh Troo Identuhtee" for the posters
>guys, stop simping
>guys, I really mean it, stop simping. We're trying to run things with a relatively flat non-hierarchical leadership structure, and that doesn't work if some of the leaders are going to be more loyal to each other than the people whose thoughts and feelings they are supposed to be representing. That's how you get ossified parties and factions, and that's poison
>okay, new rule. men need to swap for a bit before being in a position of authority, so we can be sure they aren't thinking of themselves as inherently inferior
>we forcibly feminize men for their own good, teehee~
At least Lolth is honest in her misandry.
This was a thing for a short time, but it isn't anymore, it was just a temporary thing to adapt to male clerics, now male clerics don't have to do it, unless they want to
But I want to.
>short time
>when it was part of canon for 30-40+ years
Whitewashing now I see.
>Which group of notorious /tg/ posters would this appeal to, I wonder?
You are as much of a Tourist as the leftoid troons.
/tg/ always wanted to be the little girl.
If you dont remember that then you havent lurked long enough.
>Good
>Elf
Actually yes, there are several gods in my setting who take pride in all the elves their followers have put in the ground.
How is that a good thing?
Not that Anon, but it sounds like an Elder Scrolls type of setting where elves are a blight on existence by their very existential nature.
You N'Wha
god i want her to throw me to the ground and switch between laughing at me and yelling insults at me
I enjoy that she is 9-feet tall.
No. Why would an always evil race have a god of good?
Almost every real religion has a god/spirit that represents the traits and values its followers consider bad or undesirable
There arent gods in my system. Only God, and He hates Elves, evil fey people
>Goddess of good drow
Yes
>Who
You posted her.
God imagine massaging Eilistraee priestesses feet after she's been fighting against evil all day
Why was she fighting herself?
Because it's her priestly duty
>have a nudist goddess with nudist priestesses
>doesn't capitalize on this at all with fanciful bodypaints that accentuate her form or flashy, jangling accessories to rhythmically shake with her dancing
Ellishitty really is the worst, least stylish goddess ever, goddamn.
Natural skin and flowing white hair is enough and maintains her pure nature
>misandrist forced-feminization bawd
>pure
Yeah okay chief. At least Lolth has a theme and commits to it
>pure nature
>pure
She's a bawd. I say this not to insult, but as a statement of fact. She is promiscuous in the extreme.
wrong. She's entirely pure and dedicated to good by way of smiting evil and this reflects on her worshipers
>Elven Empire splits off into two halfs, with one half being Elves and the other is Drow
>The drow have an innate cruel nature
>The religion of humans is persecuted by Drow Empire
>Drow King decides to turn to said religion in hopes that it helps his people overcome said cruel nature.
>religion becomes the main religion of drowkind.
I haven't given it terribly much thought because my group isn't keen on fantasy. But how does my attempts at copying real life sound?
Throw in some Drow doing their level best to subvert the human religion (either intentionally or incidentally to appeal to Rom-I mean Drow culture) and you've got it.
so dark elf constantine
maybe change the rationale of ''elf king converts'' to something like the evil religion is very self destructive at a societal level and they can't hope to beat the humans or the other elves without converting to something else. alternatively it could be that he converted in order to ally with humans against the other elves.
conversion for realpolitik reasons happen a lot in history, not so much for genuinely altruistic reasons, especially when it's the bad guy elves doing it. even if the king is genuinely a good guy, most of the nobility and average people won't do it if it's not got some practical benefits
I kind of figured there'd be a tangible reason for the large swath of drow nobility converting. Such as most of the population being humans, and giving societal cohesion to keep the people's loyalties away from the Elven Senate. Also a large chunk of drow still being pragmatic backstabbers would help explain the recline of the Empire. But in general I prefer black/white scenarios. With good people, bad people, and inately bad people who try their hardest to be good inspite of it.
I use Forgotten Realms and largely ignore Eilistraee because I find her boring and Selune is better.
No cause my setting doesn't have drow in it. It has chocolate elves instead
I like using Eliastraee because I always love the fallen villain turning to the light (and vise/versa) trope, but also because she has her muff out. Came across her in a novel when I was like 13 and reading that she had 'hair decorating her womanhood soft as silk' and was like 'well holy shit'.
>vise/versa
no, if drow were good, then they would be able to return to the light of Correllon
ooh someone never read the boooooks
>in your setting
elves reincarnate in my world instead of going to a permanent afterlife, and reincarnate depending on alignment. a drow who becomes chaotic good and dies would come back as a high elf, a high elf who dies chaotic evil would come back as a drow, etc
this means there is a precisely fixed amount of elves that can exist in the world because new souls cant be born and explains why elves dont dominate the world despite natural superiority, and also over time most elves have settled in their 'correct' place in the cycle because the inately good spirits are born good and stay good, and the wronguns are born evil, grow up in evil, and stay evil
good dark elves worship, or at the very least acknowledge, the same gods as all other dark elves (their societies are not generally evil)
What's even the point of dark elves then? If they aren't evil pricks, what is even the point? To satisfy your grey-blue skin fetish?
>To satisfy your grey-blue skin fetish?
Yes.
Frick off slopscum
No, to satisfy my coal-black skin fetish. Purple drow are cringe.
>anime ears
>big tiddies
Skin tone is nice, though.
In all honesty I am skepitcal of the whole Dark Elf thing since the whole Dökkálfar and Ljósálfar stuff was influenced by Christianity. Wouldn't be surprised if the original elf stuff was completely different.
I hope you mean WCIII Night Elves because WoW Night Elves may very well be a radically different species (AKA: neutered, without their savagery and pretty much shit).
>AKA: neutered, without their savagery and pretty much shit
They were never particularly savage even in Warcraft 3. They attack the orcs one time because of a misunderstanding and afterwards are noblebright good guys like every other WC3 race other than Undead.
You nelf homosexuals repeating this false head canon ad nauseum for fricking decades at this point should be studied by scientists as some form of collective delusion.
Grom Hellscream himself in the Horde campaign notes how savage the Night Elves are. To the point he's genuinely captivated by said savagery. Also they are not noblebright. They are a case of good is not soft and in their case their goodness is pretty fricking brutal. Even in TFT this brutal take on their enemies still is around especially with Maiev and her obsessive hunt for Illidan. You literally either didn't play the game or you conveniently forgot some of the details about them.
>They almost look like elves, but they're far too tall, and far too savage
That's all he says about them being savage. Nothing "captivated" by it, he's simply comparing them to the High Elves he would have remembered from Eastern Kingdoms. Stop regurgitating Night Elf RP Schizo head canon. I'm beyond tired of reading it in every fricking elf thread when it comes up.
Still didn't read the details...
Also you should stop injecting WoW into anything WarCraft.
Nothing I said is from WoW you fricking moron. It's the literal dialogue from the Warcraft 3 mission you absolute dipshit. That the other annoying thing about you fricking homosexuals. None of you have even played Warcraft 3. YOU'RE ALL WOW RPers who larp as being oldgay Warcraft 3 players. You aren't fooling anyone, you fricking homosexual. kys.
>gaylords calling others gaylords
>Especially ones that reject WoW
Poetry. It rhymes.
>Hurr my headcanon isn't holding up
>better piss and shit over WoW some more
Concession accepted Nelf troony.
Oh, and those "details" you're probably referring to are concept art images that never made it into Warcraft 3. Funny how you gaylords love bringing it up but leave out the part of those that have the male druids being psychic and having harems of warrior women fawning over them.
There are no elves in my setting
Good Drow are just normal elves that have not been corrupted by an evil Spider Goddess and forced to live underground in a hidden city. So yes, I do have good drow in my games, they are called elves.
>Eilistraee
>Good
She's just a whiny alt-girl/hippy b***h. None of her followers actually do good, they just hide in a corner and jill each other off on how "redeemed" they are for gettimg drunk & stoned instead of actually fighting back against evil or evil gods. It's even worse since Drow society is a matriarchy so it's just them smugly backpatting themsleves for basic b***h decency.
>for basic b***h decency
They're not even decent, since they still forcibly genderbend males and have a matriarchal, misandrist society. At least
Exactly, Ellistraee is "Not Like Other Girls"/Pic Related to a T. She doesn't do anything to truly defy her mother Lolth but instead sulks in her room with simps reading slam poetry and literally circlejerking herself into unwarranted self importance.
>I'm not like other girls
>I don't make you take spider baths
>Or have slaves flayed for sacrifices
Drizzt was a follower of Eilistraee and I don't remember him getting turned into a girl.
Drizzt followed Mielikki. Until he went atheist.
>atheist when there are plenty of people running around with divine powers
No wonder people got sick of Drizzt
Then why does non of Drizzt’s adventures involve him saving the environment?
Wrong.
What a hot take.
Don't worry, I remember being a teenager, too. You'll grow out of it.
Anon, that was yesterday. You're late for English class and you haven't showered from faling the fitness test in PE either.
>stuck up by the book human paladin
>incredibly horny cleric of Eilistraee
peak buddycop duo
Good drow? That's like saying "fire-moronant gasoline" or "heterosexual OP", it's an inherent contradiction. Drow are evil elves: by definition, a "good drow" would just be an elf.
Who needs good drow when night elves exist
They deserve to be in good games so they should be stolen
Night elves are just wood elves but purple, there's more to Drow than their appearance.
Trur, highborne nelves and nightborne are more like drow
Yes, but it never comes up because all knife-ears get the rope anyway.
It comes down to any sort of High Elf being completely unrelatable. Nobody wants to be a part of a race where the default personality is a fop. It’s not Tolkien’s fault either it’s just that Elves always end up being the unlikeable good race just like how Men end up being venal and villainous more than anyone. I blame the writers.
Do i have a goddess of Dead drows? Yes.
My setting does not have drow. It does have dark elves as one of the major elven subraces, and they are considered the craftsman/merchant caste. Their patron deity is Lolth, the weaver and dark mother of elven creationary myth.
Other than that (and the other three caste patron deities that would be odd to specifically worship from another caste), there's a host of smaller elven deities worshiped by most elves.
how ruthless should followers of Eilistraee be when fighting evil? They're still drow and a fair number of them would have the convert zeal
Imagine not having a goddess of gentle loving femdom. Her cult would be incredibly well liked
There would be a major schism over whether pegging could qualify as gentle femdom that would end up leading to a holy civil war.
There wouldn't be any women in it since femdom gays are extremely unattractive to actual women.
No, because good drow are stupid and boring.
Drow are cool because they're decadent demon worshippers plotting world domination from the depths of the earth. They're cool because in spite of being blackhearted and evil, they're also civilized. They're cool because nobody on the surface should believe the party because all the drow magic items and goods fall apart in the sun, like it never happened.
No, there aren't enough gods for there to be one of something that specific.
God I love Elistraee and drow
I guess, but she is busy stopping the undead apocalypse from happening.
Not only is there no analog to Elistraee in my setting, normal drow have to share a god with the duergar, dero, and grimlocks
I usually have a group of specific selected or homebrew deities for the "Proximal" pantheon of entities whose world the setting is, and any deities outside that players want to draw from other settings are allowed as Outer deities that are given pass to cultivate cultures and faiths on the setting, but can have that revoked by the over-deity if they start shit with the local powers inordinately.
So do I have one? Naw, but they'd be allowed if a player opted for it.
She's one of my favorite goddesses
Greatest drow/grimdark move - have Eilistraee be just a disguised aspect of Lolth and her drow followers are just undercover drow on the surface conducting espionage and sabotage/psyops to further drow goals.
I just remove Ellicuck. She's worthless and adds nothing
>Disguise is just being naked
basedo
I mean, Lolth (and drow in general) are all about subterfuge,deceit, and waging war in any way on ones foes so who is to say which gods aren't just Lolth in disguise?
Drow don't exist in my setting, so no.
Might be the wrong place to ask, but I've been invited to a new group playing AD&D, and I actually really want to play a priest of Eliastraee.
How do you play a naked character without it being just weird in world?
Go to the group naked for immersion
The group would fricking love that. I am the token only girl, after the DM and previous partner had an ugly breakup before a session one time.
I am going to go jerk off to this scenario now thank you.
don't. The DM is very very good at running games, but is a slightly sweaty looking bald dude, his ex was an (allegedly) rude as frick short little Asian girl who everyone hated.
You didn't have to say Asian woman 3 times.
>How do you play a naked character without it being just weird in world?
She's not gonna be naked all the time.
Just do throwaway comments like "Oh, tonight is the Titty Moon, I'm gonna go dance naked a little around midnight waving a sword around. You know, normal Eilistraee stuff."
So the book I was looking at from the era details them as being completely naked all the time, the art has a nude example with her hair sort of draped around her body like a sarong which looks awkward AF.
But it was this picture I saw online that made me want to do it, gave me the vibe of seeing fantasy art a kid and thinking I want to fricking BE her.
>literal troon wants to worship the troon goddess
Lmfao
Eilisraee is my favorite dnd god/goddess, but I somehow never realized she had a big coomer following. I just read the naked dancing part and thought "huh that's neat". Either way, i'm really glad I can be a cleric of Eilitraee in BG3
you can find a silver dancing sword in it too!
Yup, as soon as I found it I reclassed my first level into ranger for the longsword prof and the rest into cleric. The buffs it provides is fantastic!
Whats the closest I can get to being a sword dancer in 5e for the proper Eilistraee devotee experience?
College of Swords Bard.
That makes sense, although i’m wondering if bladesinger wizard would be a good option
Bladesinger is not an option unless you are on PC and mod the class in.
Oh I meant 5e in general, not just BG3
this diety screams chaotic good
chaotic good is a weird alignment to me, as there's no scale for how chaotic one can go
this can often skew ones perception of good and evil, the alignment system in dnd is contentious for sure but CG especially.
when does selflessness turn into passivity? when does earned retribution turn into a grudge?
those are issues that are great to bring up when playing to make a CG character have some depth. Generally I perceive the alignment as doing good and wanting to do the right thing without caring about specific rules and strict norms, but where do you draw the line then when you have no framework beyond "I believe I'm doing the right thing"?
There are people IRL that consider mass murder completely justified and morally right as long is it's in the service of their great cause, they might very well consider themselves CG
Dang it, I think this thread got me in trouble -_-
Will Vandria ever be canon to Forgotten Realms
>daughter of corellon and lolth
>le lawful elf god
It's fun to see writers finding new and exciting ways to make gods that aren't like other girls.
seems like something a player would come to me to shove into the game cause they want to play against type with their race
Yes.
>Drow in your setting
This isn't a question, it's a tautology. Drow are don't exist outside D&D.
Stop being disingenuous and say you want a softcore drow porn thread OP you homosexual. It's not like you have a sense of shame anyway.
>This isn't a question, it's a tautology. Drow are don't exist outside D&D.
D&D isn't a setting, it's a system. But then you'd know that if you played traditional games.
Nah, I kinda like them being the divine equivalent of North Koreans. Victims, without a doubt, but most of them would be shitty people, anyway.
He's closer than you'd think. Even a lot of D&D settings don't have Drow, they have Dark Elves or Shadow Elves. They don't become Drow "Traitor" unless a world worships Lolth. And even then, there's a pretty decent difference between the Drow societies of Greyhawk and Nentir Vale vs Forgotten Realms. Only FR has the society so extremely matriarchal rather than just "eh the women lead because they're the clerics and it's a theocracy" and has everyone scantily clad in spider-themed S&M gear. It makes one wonder whether Lolth's foothold there is much stronger, mainly because Realmspace is so competitively old, or if Realmspace Drow just took it way beyond even what she asks of them, like how Hasidic israelites have to buy special lamps because they won't even turn on a light switch on the Sabbath for fear of 'working' when the Torah just says "hey one day a week, don't do backbreaking labor in the field, just rest and reflect on spiritual matters and trust God to provide you with enough abundance that you don't have to work 7 days straight."
>competitively
*Comparatively
My tabletop setting doesn't have drow. My novel setting doesn't even have elves.
gay, you should change that immediately
Why? True fae are better mommydoms then Drow.
I'm listening.
Mortals fricking Unsealei Fae result in Drow. Either way, Drow/Dark Elves of some sort will appear.
No, they’re all lunatics on another world too busy doing flower wars to be benevolent