>It wasn't a success
are you living in bizarro land?
the movie was critically lauded for its visual effects, sound engineering and monster design. it had a budget of about 150m to 170m but brought in 500m+ globally and was deemed a financial success enough to warrant a sequel which did similarly well.
>MOOOM THERE IS LIKE, A HUUUUUUGE ROBOT FIGHTING, AND LIKE, HE HAS BIIIG SWORDS FOR ARMS, AND THERE IS LIKE, THIS ANOTHER HUUUGE ROBOT, BUT HE IS EVIL, AND HE HAS BIG SHIELDS FOR ARMS, AND LIKE THEY FIGHT EACH OTHER, AND THERE ARE EXPLOSIONS AND STUFF, AND ITS SOOOO COOOOOL MOM I SWEAR ITS THE COOLEST THING
CAN I HAVE ICE CREAM NOW?
Basically all of Anno's stuff with the exception of that new Rider movie is much more cerebral than 99% of the toku industry, and at least 95% of the mecha industry.
>nooo you're not allowed to like kino rangers mech fights >anyway, back to my ball-lovers gape 3 character. I have to finish building my male harem >i'm trans btw
Mechas are moronic for exactly the reason that webm demonstrates >Has a humanoid form >Rollerskates around like a hover tank making the humanoid form utterly irrelevant
Far, FAR too many mecha series do the same shit where the make the fact that the mecha are humanoid completely redundant.
I love mecha but it really only works in animation. I've tried a few series but I cannot get into puppet shit, it's just impossible to take seriously. I can appreciate the sheer amount of effort and skill it takes to make this stuff but I'll take TTGL or FMP! over it any day.
Will From move to mecha fantasy? I'm sure the weapon and enemy designs in Armored Core are going to lean towards technological realism instead of magic and giant bows
Miyazaki did say something about how he's interested in making one years ago. Who knows if he'll stick to it now that he's doing something else other than Souls.
The biggest reason is that they're unique from the stuff people have been making in the past. And since we're humans who have seen trillions of images and have gained immense familiarity with them, it's easy to tell when something is dramatically different from what came before. Then you notice the quality of the image, how on top of being unique it's usually full rendered which is rare for art. And then you notice the errors in the images.
After some time we start to recognize AI stylistic choices and the new art styles it's created too.
np. Another interesting thing I want to mention is that because people are so buttblasted about AI art, we've all been paying more attention to art in general. It's really funny when people call out human made art as if it was AI because it has some weird errors. So even though we can generally recognize AI art(as long as it's stylized characters or architecture anyway), we can't always tell.
You should read Onee-sama and the Giant. It's not "mecha" but the co-protagonist fight against an antagonist is mechaish in its portrayal because the author loves mecha.
The only mecha shit I enjoyed was Gundam (pretty much all of it), Macross, and Gurren Lagann.
I pretty much hate everything else in the genre. And If I DO like a series with mecha in it, I like it in SPITE of the Mecha (for example Code Geass)
Anyone who says this must be a nonwhite who was stuck in the stone ages just 50 years ago before being dragged into the 21st century kicking and screaming by white people
This why I like Sea of Thieves and Grounded. I've never even played the latter but I like the Honey I Shrunk The Kids concept of fighting bugs in this big backyard, it's fresh in this day and age.
For me it's the abstract and hypothetical and unreal environment (hylics)
This too. Make me feel like I'm actually on a different planet / universe and I don't give a damn what time period it is, make aliens great again instead of just retextured human #6, in fact if you had a medieval world but with giant arachnids and megafauna that were all sentient and the society actually was built to accommodate them instead of them just being brainless mobs dying to self-insert humanoids it would be great.
Listening through it in order now, that was probably one of the weaker picks you could have started with compared to some real bangers before it in the playlist. Still some good shit, thanks for linking it.
I'm glad that I played it since just like Zeno Clash it's extremely weird in a good way. It's just too bad that the gameplay kinda sucks and seems to be limited by either budget or bad coding
>Do you have medieval fatigue?
No. But I do dislike Forgotten Realms. Not because of it being European-inspired (European fantasy is kino) but because of it being a shoddily-made kitchen sink fantasy setting full of all sorts of chaotically thrown in crap.
There's no such thing as fantasy fatigue, there's only such thing as shitty fantasy. If people were making games and movies that looked like Frazetta artwork, nobody would be like "aboo aboo too much fantasy". No, instead people are making games that look like the shitty nufantasy pioneered by the troons over at DnD and early 2000s Bioware, and everyone is fricking tired of it.
Fromshit games are only a hit because they are the only fantasy titles that manage to embrace some of the aesthetic points of 1980s fantasy and scifi.
The last good fantasy game we got was Vagrant Story.
Based. I'd love to see a game set in something more like an old pulp fantasy setting with an art style to match. Same goes for sci-fi too. There's a whole treasure trove of inspirations there just waiting for someone to pick them up.
>It's still insane to me nobody has bothered making a "verse" out of the Moorwiener works. They are absolutely perfect for the milking Hollywood loves.
He literally invented the term "Multiverse"....
The quintessential fantasy artist is Frank Frazetta, he defined literally every depiction of Conan the Barbarian ever after. There was a new artbook put out collecting his stuff just recently.
For sci-fi, your go-to guy is Chris Foss
Shit I forgot to say, I'm also interested in classical fantasy/sci-fi artists, so give recommendations on those too.
Get off of Ganker right now and go read Book of the New Sun
oh and stay away from Sandersonshit and if anyone recommends him to you shoot them with a shotgun
I haven't read Wuxia / Xuanhuan in like 3 years. Has anything good come out recently? I've already read Cradle, Coiling Dragon, Desolate Era, I Shall Seal the Heavens (dropped because it was boring), Against the gods (dropped after the genocide arc), Martial god Asura (dropped after the rape), Renegade Immortal (dropped because it was too edgy), Martial World (dropped because it was boring), True Martial World (dropped because it was poorly written powerfantasy), and Renegade Immortal (dropped because it was too edgy). Probably a few other series too, but they were so generic that I forgot about them.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>/sffg/
Does that one dude who will ape out at any mention of Wolfe still hang out over there?
9 months ago
Anonymous
I dunno, people talk about Wolfe a lot lol
9 months ago
Anonymous
No this dude specifically is very schizo, he has a whole folder of Wolfe redditjacks to "mock" people with. I've not been on Ganker since ~2017 but he was the closest that place got to a Barry, I think.
9 months ago
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No, I'm not familiar with such a person. I have this based Wolfe pepe though
Read Jack Vance. >Lyonesse >Tales of a Dying Earth >The Demon Princes
Also read Alfred Bester. >The Stars My Destination >The Demolished Man
Read Bradbury >Fahrenheit 451 >Something Wicked This Way Comes >The Martian Chronicles
Read the Big 3 of Asimov, Clarke and Heinlein >I, Robot >Caves of Steel >Foundation series >Rendezvous with Rama >The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
Read Ursula Le Guin's Earthsea stuff
Read Larry Niven >Ringworld
This rec goes to
>Post-Collapse cyberpunk fantasy in a Megastructure setting
I wish there was more of this kind of stuff, it's a great setting even if the game is half-baked and unfinished.
Go straight to the source and read myths and folklore from the distant past. The norse and greek myths are popular starting points, and with good reason, but you can hardly go wrong if some other culture interests you more.
>If people were making games and movies that looked like Frazetta artwork >if
netflix has been pumping out bmww material for years now, so I don't know what you mean by "if"
oh I mean that's neat I guess good for him, I don't really care if the dude was a cuck or not cause his art is cool.
it's like saying that because the Wachowskis trooned out I can't like The Matrix
That's why I try not to be bothered by these demands that everybody stop producing X because X is boring now. It really only applies to the assembly line shit that I don't care about anyway. Something that is genuinely good will pierce through oversocialized Twitterati's prejudices.
No. Elden Ring showed me the medieval fantasy still has a lot of mileage going for it, they just need to do more unique things that only VIDEO GAMES can do like actually side with one faction against the other instead of allowing the player to do quests for both factions with no consequences (Volcano Manor vs Roundtable Hold). Absolute dogshit.
It’s literally just watered down Tolkien fatigue (D&D and Warcraft style). This person thinks they’re bored with Euro inspired worlds because it’s all the same Coca-Cola fantasy with no strong identity or willingness to create anything directly from the myth itself.
For once the clickbait article is right. I watched that summer game showcase and it was generic fantasy game followed by urban shooter followed by generic fantasy for an hour and a half. My god is the game industry creatively bankrupt
No you homosexual it's wrong. It's the writing you're tired of. You know with those games what you're gonna get. See my point here:
No. Elden Ring showed me the medieval fantasy still has a lot of mileage going for it, they just need to do more unique things that only VIDEO GAMES can do like actually side with one faction against the other instead of allowing the player to do quests for both factions with no consequences (Volcano Manor vs Roundtable Hold). Absolute dogshit.
>consume only the latest and greatest AAA goyslop >watch goyslop shows where they showcase only the same generic shit
gee i wonder why you have sucha shit opinnions
In a way I know what op means. How many times can I be force-fed a Tolkien derivative when none of them come anywhere close to LoTR's setting? I prefer the setting of a game like mass effect vastly more than any game with elves and dwarves. I think the only one that even comes close is Warhammer because the elves and dwarves are the most mundane shit there and not the dull, uninspired selling point.
I don't particularly want writing either. The more writing a game has, the more likely it's going to boil down to some dev wasting my time with his own stupid opinion on something. What part of the experience am I any better for?
No. I mean good writing. Not verbose, or stupid opinion writing. I mean writing like >The goblins killed all the men in this village and are took the women to breed more of themselves. If you don't find the goblin hideout within 1 hour using only clues and not bam ham vision, then all the women will be inseminated. The longer you take, the less women you can save.
Actual UNIQUE shit that has NOT been done in video games that force the player to make MEANINGFUL decisions but noooooo we just want unique settings with the same tired tropes of hero's journey bullshit. Fricking garbage planet.
And that's not even medieval fantasy which has been my point with every post. The SETTING is not tired, the WRITING is. Frick the fricking OP article and frick anyone who agrees with him. Fricking troglodyte philistines.
>FF15
A pile of mediocrity but the fact that it's a fantasy world that managed to get to our level of tech made it interesting. There is not nearly enough fantasy that does that
I will never get rid of Tolkien fantasy. Reading/watching/playing games with angelic elves and medieval men fighting objective evil is my comfort and makes me happy.
I reread Tolkien whenever I want good Tolkien fantasy. I don't buy store brand Coke either for the same reason. The new makers aren't as good by a pretty large margin.
no it's just GoTslop fatigue. personally I can't wait for post-post modernism to kick in fully where we go back to everything being sincere and whimsical as a direct counter to all the irony and deconstructive cynicism we've had the last two decades.
yeah what we really need are more ww2 shooters and military entertainment complex fuel.
Gaming journalism is the lowest form of review or critique. Seeking out and reposting what some bottom of the barrel english major quips about a game they can't beat is cancer
Euro-trash shouldn't be allowed to share their opinions. Especially on the internet. I just seen one of these homosexuals spelling favorite with a "u" earlier. What a bunch of fricking losers.
Fantasy is like better reality, you cannot get bored of it because it's more interesting by default.
You can get bored of same old gameplay, uncreatively safe stories, slow and poor storytelling, lack of interactivity etc.
Industry (AAA and AA studios) needs another jump in quality, not just graphics, this is universal problem
in all vidya genres. Best you have are some indie games and some rare AA studios fighting for their place,
but they simply lack the polish and size of content from larger studios, and larger studios always play it safe because investment money.
I think fantasy, which is mostly RPGs, needs good serious writing back that you had in the media from the 80s,
treat players as adults and write stories that are gripping and where you feel that bad choices don't immediately ruin your run,
but make it interesting and unique, regardless of setting. Today, even in games that are supposed to be dark fantasy, writing is censored and
ideas are dumbed down, making it feel like it's a cartoon for little kids that just so happenes to have some blood in it, god forbid any serious topics and touchy subjects.
incredibly common
like so common that basically every dude was doing it
even people in bum frick nowhere organized events that required them to travel to cities so they could frick prostitutes
every small town had hoes
there are written recounts where apparently some farmers would come together to come up with bullshit reasons why they regularly needed to go to towns when their only goal was to bang prostitutes and they wanted to do it more regularly than was actually required for them to visit a place to sell their shit
like as in literate recorded peasants coming together to organize this shit and spread word about the stuff they should make up to tell their wives and fathers explaining this to their sons
basically every place to sell goods had prostitutes just to the side so after selling ur shit u could go frick some b***hes with the money
so incredibly common to do but kept hush hush between men so women didn't find out
and u don't even need to think for more than a second how common it was for people who had money
It's without a doubt my favorite setting, it keeps the world's systems in an easy to understand way without creating overly described dumb stuff like magi-tech bulshit that rarely delivers correctly.
I have more of a current day fatigue in my games settings, but I would definitely be good with more 18th Century Age of the Sail inspired settings if done correctly.
>sci-fi >allows you to explore the human condition and questions of morality, as well as play around with any kind of environments and crazy worlds >fantasy >I'm gonna kill the dragon and save the princess for the 100th time in this world consisting only of the same climate you'd find in central Europe
Fantasygays are mentally stunted children
>sci-fi >allows you to explore the human condition and questions of morality, as well as play around with any kind of environments and crazy worlds
You mean the same question of what it means to be a human and the defining characteristics of life, which have been rewritten 1000's of different times with the same answer? With Aliens that are shallowly designed around proving a philosophical point the author wants to hamfist? I like old school scifi that has something original to say or delivers its message in a grounded non-fantastical way, but that's like finding needles in a haystack if you are looking at the past 20 years of Science Fiction in any media.
If you think a genre repeating the same themes that Assimov and Clarke have done over, over, over over, and over again in a successively worse fashion than the original you are missing the point the genre should be.
The thing with fantasy is you have a clean slate to mess up with or succeed upon and create your own original themes and settings. Stuff like the oppression of an evil empire, Dragons, & Magic are common but are definitely not the entire genre unlike science fiction.
>Stuff like the oppression of an evil empire, Dragons, & Magic are common but are definitely not the entire genre unlike science fiction.
Share some examples that aren't that.
The entire concept of low fantasy lit is about diluting those themes, making morality more grey, and while having stuff like magic exist it being a less almighty existence.
The Black Company is one example.
What new science fiction books have you read that you enjoyed? Released within the last 20 years I enjoyed Rainbows End, The Three Body Problem, and The Dark Forest.
What difference does it make what planet you're on if you're going to be doing nothing but scanning rocks and returning to base regardless, as per federation bylaws or some boring crap like that?
There's nothing stopping a fantasy story from exploring any of those same questions, in fact many do. They just use fantasy elements as ciphers for real world people and conflicts. And as much as you can claim that "scifi" started as a genre focused on exploring questions of the future and human condition, many popular things called scifi now are just as shallow as your example of a fantasy story, only the set dressing is different.
Both genres are involve people interacting with things that don't currently exist, the only real difference between fantasy and scifi is that one explores the human condition via looking at the past and what things societies used to believe in, while the other explores the human condition via looking at the future and society's current beliefs and trajectory.
I've had it for years honestly, I could not give less of a shit about fantasy games because they aren't a fantasy anymore. WOAW D&D AGAIN ZOMG CANT WAIT 2 MAEK A HALFORC BWARBAIAN ROFLMAO DOOD DERES AN EBIL DWAGON THRETENING YE OLDE KINGDOME :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Not him but mah homie. I've been playing Wo Long these days and it's pretty fun. I'm running an Avatar build because I couldn't play Nioh (Xbro, SX) so I never learned how to do specific 'builds', plus every game with them typically has a hard counter to any of them (good luck fighting Seath as a caster lol)
Wuxia is such a neglected genre, especially when open world games are such a craze nowdays. Jade Empire is the closest we've gotten to it and while I like that game it has alot of flaws.
Make a Xianxia game where you can travel around on a flying sword and be a murder hobo. It would be amazing.
Actually, what are some RPGs that break out of medieval stuff while keeping the fantasy? Nothing modern like Shadowrun, I'm talking of classic stuff like Tyranny, or Jade Empire for a wuxia example
>RPGs that break out of medieval stuff while keeping the fantasy?
Depends on what you consider medieval, a lot of these have swords and sorcery but higher tech levels. Some examples >FF6 >FF7 >FF8 >FF10 >FF12 >FF13 >FF15 >Castlevania series >Bloodborne >Legend of Heroes series >Tales of Series
Just as like "shitty European castles that are just a wall and a single tower and three houses" are turned into these massive citadels in fantasy... the same kinda upgrade can be given to African culture. Not everything is Savannah tribes, Africa had a lot of kingdoms with decently sized cities before colonialism came along.
Ethiopia used to be a powerful kingdom in the region (Abyssinia).
>Africa had a lot of kingdoms with decently sized cities before colonialism came along.
Uh huh, now why don’t you post an example of ancient African architecture that isn’t something built by colonialist and missionaries?
Literally half this buildings (the ones made out of stone masonry) are made by colonialist and missionaries, you braindead homosexual.
9 months ago
Anonymous
So do all churches and mosques not count in the middle east and europe as native art?
Anyhow
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lalibela
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Zimbabwe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Benin
9 months ago
Anonymous
No you disingenuous frick. Hence the whole argument of Black folk not having culture considering Europeans and Arabs built the fricking things.
9 months ago
Anonymous
where is the proof europeans or arabs built those?
>ugh why doesn’t this game have a 10 minute long cutscene of a huge throbbing black wiener penetrating a quiver white virgin pussy, blowing a huge frothing load in her fertile womb, then anally breeding her sissified white fiancé afterwards????
Are they starting to realize the "stop putting Black folk everywhere" argument has weight and now just saying to get rid of it so a new genre filled with nigs can replace it?
homosexuals who only play AAA westernslop are a blight on this board >muh nogs >muh ugly wamen
I couldnt give less of a frick because this egs shit affects awful terrible games I wouldnt buy a decade ago when they werent filled with nogs and women
Replying to you two but this is for the whole thread: He's not suggesting Black folk at all. >It's one of the reasons I still cling to Morrowind, a land where people live inside carapaces in a volcanic desert, where wizards fall from the sky, and where public transport is dominated by large, adorable bugs. And it's proof that you don't need to toss out every single familiar element just to make a place feel alien. You've still got your prophecies, lots of lots of elves, schools of magic—but it never stops being delightfully weird. Mind you, getting rid of some of those things would still be welcome.
I gotta say the article is decent.
https://web.archive.org/web/20230804094910/https://www.pcgamer.com/videogame-fantasy-settings-are-staler-than-mouldy-bread-right-now/
Archive.org link in case you don't want to give him clicks.
so he's a fricking moron. morrowwind isn't particularly unique at all. when I think of generic boring fantasy elder scrolls is top of the list by a mile.
>a land where people live inside carapaces in a volcanic desert, where wizards fall from the sky, and where public transport is dominated by large, adorable bugs.
Name five fricking stories with all of these wtf are you smoking.
>Name five fricking stories with all of these wtf are you smoking.
they all appear in other fantasy media, elder scrolls is a hodge podge of things borrowed or stolen from better creators. It's why it's so fricking generic.
>Okay name five fricking stories with all of these.
putting together in one series does not make it new. If anything his description just sounds like shitty video game level design.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>putting together in one series does not make it new
That, by definition, makes it new.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>That, by definition, makes it new.
No, no it does not.
>why can't you answer his question?
because i'm not gonna go through almost 70 years of fantasy to show you that elder scrolls is
a derivative shitheap. It isn't worth my effort.
9 months ago
Anonymous
pathetic
9 months ago
Anonymous
>pathetic
I get it you like garbage, that's great.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>talks shit >refuses to elaborate >runs away like a b***h
kek
9 months ago
Anonymous
You didn't even respond to the guy who did respond to your question in good faith, so you are really no better.
I hate the fact that if you point out that we don't really ever get Black fantasy because their customs and legends weren't recorded until the whites arrived you get called racist even though it's an actual legitimate undeniable fact.
No.
I love generic fantasy.
People that b***h about fantasy settings b***h and cry about them not having gay shit in them like robots and guns. Ironically whenever a genuinely unique fantasy setting comes out like Kenshin or Xenoblade they completely ignore it because it does have the generic D&D and Tolkien trappings in it
No. It’s mostly just furgays screeching about elves and dwarves because they rather have disgusting anthro shit and think “human with and animal head aping a real life culture 1:1” is the epitome of creativity
>dwarves and elves >generic fantasy
Nope. This is called Tolkien fantasy. You are both off topic now after completely misreading the thread.
You’re an autist.
Tolkien, D&D, and Arthurian legends are all the inspirations of modern generic fantasy and thus define it. Quit arguing semantics, moron.
lmao no you are incredibly ignorant. Modern fantasy has existed for hundreds of years. The wizard of Oz is a fantasy tale that came out multiple decades before LoTR. Ever heard of it? Guess not because you're a fricking idiot. If your shit has dwarves and elves in it, then it is a Tolkien derivative. It can barely even be called fantasy because obviously you didn't fantasize about the setting very much when you stole your races from some guy who did it way better 100 years ago.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Holy shit, you are braindead moronic. Don’t reply to me ever again, thanks.
9 months ago
Anonymous
The philistine rages when put in his place, storms out of the thread never even understanding what it was about.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>The wizard of Oz
Has nothing whatsoever to do with modern generic fantasy you absolute buffoon.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>If your shit has dwarves and elves in it, then it is a Tolkien derivative.
Orcs are a Tolkien invention and the most clear thing to point to, not existing before he made them up.
Elves as superior immortal human type is Tolkien, but not the Elf in a more fairy/Elb sense.
Dwarfs predate his works and are fairly close to folklore. .. although the size is less clear and there can be giant dwarfs and much smaller ones.
In both Elf and Dwarf case occasionally a clear line of distinction to fairies might not be possible.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Orcs are a Tolkien invention and the most clear thing to point to, not existing before he made them up.
Orc is Elvish for goblin. Goblins have existed in European folklore forever
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Goblins have existed in European folklore forever
Yes as small not necessarily completely physically solid type, the human-size bodybuilder-orc archetype is however distinctly based on Tolkien derivatives.
In general Tolkien created the Star Trek of fantasy, aliens or other races being something a human with some makeup could play.
This is not the case for folklore, in this regard a Japanese fantasy setting with yokai (e.g. Nøkken and Kappa) is much closer in principle to medieval Europe than this is the case for Tolkien fantasy Europe.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>necessarily completely physically solid type, the human-size bodybuilder-orc archetype is however distinctly based on Tolkien derivatives.
They were literally bow-legged, lanky, manlets in the books, moron. The Uruk-hai were human half-breeds. Maybe you should try reading the books before spouting off your uninformed moronic opinions.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Uruk-hai is why I wrote based on Tolkien derivatives not on Tolkien itself.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Goblins are like small forest gnomes/fairies in European folklore
They are not some gross and evil green monsters
They do a little bit of mischief to humans at most, but not violence, and they look something like this
No. It’s mostly just furgays screeching about elves and dwarves because they rather have disgusting anthro shit and think “human with and animal head aping a real life culture 1:1” is the epitome of creativity
The backstory for elves and dwarves in Lord of the Rings is vastly more interesting and integral to the setting than whatever gay deviantart tier shit like tieflings are, furhomosexual.
>The backstory for elves and dwarves in Lord of the Rings is vastly more interesting and integral to the setting
Most fantasy settings aren't fricking LOTR. Its lazy ass ripoffs that don't have even a fraction of that kind of care put into its setting and just thoughtlessly inserts elves etc. because they're expected to be there.
I was fatigued by the time Dark Souls came out. Elden Ring managed to make me like the aesthetics again but only because From Soft's art direction is good
are you implying dark souls is generic fantasy or are you saying by the time it came out you were sick of other games besides it because if it's the former that's a terribly stupid opinion
This is one of these opinions thats so wrong that there is no possible way you could understand why it isn't so. Literally I can't even argue with you because you clearly have autism if you think berserk inspired dark fantasy is "generic"
No, it is not. I don't remember anything in Tolkein or GRRM or Gene Wolfe or TH White or any of the old guard of 20th century medieval tales like drowning an entire city with all its citizens in it to keep at bay the evil within. I don't remember anything in the old guard about pic kingdoms from across time and space being smashed together in a gigantic mountain of castles. You could not be more wrong unless you took a math test and just walked out of the exam room. Absolutely terrible opinion on all fronts. Do not reproduce.
Cuck souls fanboys be like >DARK SOULS LORE IS SO DEEP
Time travel happened in the first game, second game and third game
Why didn't nobody time travel back to before gwyinn lit the flame and simply killed him? This is a massive plot hole.
>DARK SOULS LORE IS SO DEEP
I didn't say that anon. >Why didn't nobody time travel back to before gwyinn lit the flame and simply killed him?
The first game's time travel happens because of Manus, not the player or any other ally. The second game's "time travel" is entering into the memories of long deceased giants who didn't know Gwyn. The third game isn't so much time travel as time is broken. I honestly think that would have been a pretty cool spectacle to see in all the smashed together lands some fragment of the Kiln of the First Flame right as Gwyn links the fire and then killing him. Neat anon.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Manus, not the player or any other ally. The second game's "time travel" is entering into the memories of long deceased giants who didn't know Gwyn.
I get the circumstances, however, if there's a way, and it's "easy" enough for it to happen more than once with different characters, I have a hard time believing nobody else tried researching time travel magic to stop gwyn >Pretty cool spectacle
Yeah, it would be a great conclusion to the story.
I want more generic low fantasy, sci Fi is fun, but there's not much to be done with it.
I'm still waiting for a game where you truly feel in fantasy land with kings and queens and dungeons and shieet
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Replying to you two but this is for the whole thread: He's not suggesting Black folk at all. >It's one of the reasons I still cling to Morrowind, a land where people live inside carapaces in a volcanic desert, where wizards fall from the sky, and where public transport is dominated by large, adorable bugs. And it's proof that you don't need to toss out every single familiar element just to make a place feel alien. You've still got your prophecies, lots of lots of elves, schools of magic—but it never stops being delightfully weird. Mind you, getting rid of some of those things would still be welcome.
I gotta say the article is decent.
https://web.archive.org/web/20230804094910/https://www.pcgamer.com/videogame-fantasy-settings-are-staler-than-mouldy-bread-right-now/
Archive.org link in case you don't want to give him clicks.
There are more grimdark, edgy "subversions" of genuine Fantasy than there are actual works of genuine Fantasy. In other words, we get more Dark Souls than we do Elder Scrolls IV; Oblivion.
The Fantasy genre is transcendent, it stands above the rest for a reason.
Oblivion can be edgy sometimes too, honestly I think oblivion is closer to our reality than any souls game, sometimes our world is fricked sometimes it isn't.
Fantasy setting is derived from nostalgia for great britiain before the world went insane and let Black folk and brown skins move in and shit up the place. Leftoids sense this and instinctively want to subvert tolkein at every turn.
Yet another example why Guild Wars is fricking peak MMO setting. >high-fantasy medieval europe + jungle, desert, swamp, volcanic islands as the core game >high-fantasy weeb land as expansion 1 >high-fantasy dindu land as expansion 2 >high-fantasy viking land as expansion 3
The best part is that it's still kicking, micro-transactions are literally only gaudy cosmetics and gratuitous storage space, and you can get the whole thing on Steam for like $30. It's a great game.
They removed the game from steam 4ish years ago. The only way to get a key now is to find unused DVD copies or buy it directly from Anet if they are still selling it
I generally avoid playing most mainstream fantasy games since they look so generic and have my whole life, so the recent glut of mediocre, same-y fantasy has had no bearing on my life aside from making the past few gaming announcement streams even more uninteresting.
Nope. In fact it's been a while since I've enjoyed a truly fantasy realm and I wish there was more.
What I am tired of a bit is D&D/etc. becoming so self referential and idk what the word for this is but super-hero high fantasy. I do not and have never given a flying frick about Owlbears and I don't particularly like them in concept because they are innately non-serious. I also don't so much like lack of world building or respect for the fantasy realm as a believable living world.
There's a very distinct feeling to 90s and earlier fantasy that I still love.
>to be clear, when he says weirder places he means Africa
man I can't wait to use the high technology of stick and sharper stick, possibly a spear! See the sights of the mud huts on the horizon. It's gonna be so kino.
no
fantasy is extremely varied and if you are just dumping entire sub genres together I have 0 interest in your opinion based on a lack of knowledge on the genre
the difference between high fantasy and low fantasy is massive, let alone dark fantasy, medieval fantasy, grimdark, and plenty of other unique settings
since this mentions bg3, look at larians last game dos2, where elves are cannibalistic and eat the hearts of their dead and are far from beautiful perfect humans with pointy ears, or the various other unique races, landscapes, and story
no shit bg3 is going to feel samey, its straight up using a lot of the dnd setting that already exists and its deliberately incredibly generic
this wouldn't be an issue if this spastic was actually interested in fantasy instead of just playing the largest games around and seeing a lot of mass appeal targeted worlds
No because the feel of actual medieval European culture is seldom if ever captured. If fantasy devs wanted to freshen up the genre, they should lean as heavily as possible into the actual art and literature of the middle ages for inspiration as possible and less into genre tropes.
Most normies read detective thrillers, Stephen King and romance novels. Fantasy is an extreme niche outside of the Lord of the Rings movies and Game of Thrones.
Always had. I don't get the appeal of medieval settings. Especially not the idealization of it. KCD was a breath of fresh air because it was realistic as frick. There are more interesting settings to make an RPG game besides medieval fantasy settings in the first place. Such as steampunk, cyberpunk, hellenic golden age, ancient egypt, nordpunk, slavpunk etc. But most devs are uninspired so they make just another medieval fantasy game.
I've been saying this for a while. Enough with the Tolkien derivatives. I want to see more fantasy based on Lewis Carroll's Wonderland. The Shivering Isles did really well utilizing this world, and needless to say, the American McGee's Alice series.
I've not really been following it closely but it seems even tabletop books have barely been touching other planes, that might have a lot to do with WOTC apparently not wanting to do much with higher level content though
There's no "fatigue" when it comes to the genre itself. There's fatigue to shittily written stories in the genre.
It's easier to make a shitty medieval fantasy story than it is to make a good one. All you have to do is simply just not do any research on the time period and not build clear rules for how things like magic are supposed to work and evolve in your world.
I assure you that if someone were to put some actual effort in trying to string their world together, it'd actually sell. Baldur's Gate 3 already did despite them barely holding their story and ideas within together, but it still did since there was at least some feeling of things making sense. Take The Witcher Netflix show in comparison with this and you'll see what it all falls apart since that piece of shit doesn't even follow it's own rules made in the books. It doesn't know what it was to do, it just simply exists.
They've completely debased and ruined one of the greatest plot devices ever thought. They filled it with propaganda, politics and agenda, blacks trannies and homos hiding coin pouches in their ass.
Now they are "BORED" and are need something new to completely fricking ruin. Hahahahah
I love the weird 80s sci-fi/fantasy mashup in the first Phantasy Star. The sequels went much harder on the sci-fi elements and never quite captured the same feel. >be random Camineet citizen >live in a prefabricated carbon-nanotube dome at the edge of a casual-use space port protected by 50 foot high plasteel defensive walls >want to visit my bronze-smithing cousin in the primitivist collective in the next town over >cancel plan, forgot the forest is enchanted with disorientation magic, and our wise and benevolent ruler King Lashiec banned the sale of compasses last year >decide instead to do some relaxing fishing in the nearby port town instead >have to walk 30 miles to get there, there are no roads between cities and a vehicle costs more than I make in a decade >fend off swarms of eye-bats, giant scorpions, ghosts, and the occasional dark wizard >I really need to save up and buy a laser sword one of these days >finally arrive, most beneficent and gracious King Lashiec banned all the boats too >can't fish at the beach because I would be shredded and devoured by deep ones >life is great in Parma, all hail King Lashiec
Honestly not really. There are some neat callbacks and connections to the earlier games but I can't really recommend trudging through them just for that.
>Honestly not really. There are some neat callbacks and connections to the earlier games but I can't really recommend trudging through them just for that.
play phantasy star 2 with no guide if you're masochistic.
I honestly always hated this. Felt like some kid dumped all his toys out on the carpet and made some haphazard plot together while he was playing with them. What it really was code monkeys in the 80’s putting some low effort story together to hinge the gameplay on. No vision, no congruity, no extensive thought or logic, just a hellish mixmash of 80’s anachronisms
The west doesn't make European fantasy though. It makes Californian fantasy. And considering he's a game journalist the only reason he's complaining is because he hates anything tangentially related to Europe and there isn't enough blacks for his liking.
moron probably doesn’t even realize a sizable influence to modern gaming as a whole was nerds using ASCII to help visually represent their D&D campaigns.
>medieval fatigue
I have Tolkien ripoff fatigue. Medieval has very little to do with it and almost no games have a "fantasy medieval" much less straight medieval setting.
>Post-Collapse cyberpunk fantasy in a Megastructure setting
I wish there was more of this kind of stuff, it's a great setting even if the game is half-baked and unfinished.
Already done that, it's more about the lack of the setting in video games and despite Bleak Faith being more of a half-finished early access concept, it really made me ponder as to why no one else has tried something similar.
Modern fantasy fails utterly at capturing the spirit of JRR Tolkien's work and European folklore, which are also both wildly different from each other. Generic D&D-style fantasy does suck though.
>god i hate dwarves and elves they are SO BORING >what do you suggest instead? >wolf people, cat people, bird people, monkey people, lizard people, frog people, cow people, horse people, rat people…
Why are furBlack folk like this? Are they that mad that nobody wants to turn their games into some fetishistic ERP session for some homosexual aspie?
Didnt they try to do that with new vegas or some shit?
What is it with that game attracting degenerates?
I liked the game, but id never cut my dick off or do any gay shit
Are there subliminal messages in it?
>Didnt they try to do that with new vegas or some shit?
There's a gay perk that gives you gay options in dialogue you don't see if you don't choose to take the park.
I watched the 80s bladerunner movie the other day, watched dune as well.
Setting doesnt matter, what matters is that the creators of the fantasy world are creative with a rich immagination.
If sonething is made with care and effort, simple shit like 50s timeline break into nuclear cars and ovens sounds genious instead of what the frick.
Even the weird shit like the submarine on a moon in a lake full of human blood gets a pass, as long as the person creating that world was creative and put a piece of himself in it trough effort.
I was most certainly born autistic, i played a lot with Legos, had a bunch of different sets and it all ended up in the same bucket.
I had a constant thing on my mind, no ww2 era technology, mad max shit.
Worked wonders on my autistic mind.
Rifles and machine guns, artillery and all sort of vehicles, fighting monsters (made from slizers and bionicles)
>historical revisionism good >couple of individuals being brought back as oddities for spectacle during the victorian era now means europe has always been diverse for thousands of years >conquering and occupation of foreign lands now good because it’s white people being colonized
Written by a chang, go figure.
>Japan has been releasing dozens of games heavily inspired be traditional Japanese and Shinto folklore for a decade now >Still b***hes about European inspired fantasy not being specifically African enough
Hmm….
>Do you have medieval fatigue?
No. I only like Medieval and medieval adjacent settings like High Fantasy, Dark Fantasy, Sword and Sorcery, Arthurian, Epic Fantasy etc.
I don't give a shit about Sci-Fi, Cyberpunk, Space Opreas, Urban Fantasy, or games set in modern times.
im tired of dark fantasy shit which plagues the medium
we dont have enough traditional fantasy and it's why dragon's dogma 2 is the only game im currently excited for
Wasn't DD extremely dark though? >dragon fricks shit up >gryphons fricks shit up >goblins waylay the roads at every corner >hydras destroy shit >bandits in every corner of the world >oh and also there's a fricking hole in the capital now
When I think Dragon's Dogma, I don't think wondrous fantasy, I think big evil beasts frick shit up
A similar game that's more positive would be Monster Hunter World, where it's all about establishing a new frontier in a new world despite big monsters fricking shit up
>I hate the only modern passtime that has any vague sense of traditionalism and ties to western history
Postmodernist trannies, if it's such an issue then make a new setting yourself, there's plenty of good reasons that having a "generic" base ruleset makes it much more accessible and easier to RP with, but soiboys and morons who never liked fantasy anyway don't get that
Man you need to get outside more if you think a fantasy sub genre is the only tie to "westernism" whatever that means since America has dominated what it means to be the west for the past 50 years.
Hitler would've burned your precious lotr books btw.
>Hitler would've burned your precious lotr books btw.
NTA. Don't think Nazis burned fantasy or general fiction. It was mostly marxist propaganda, israeli scientist's books, and unconventional sex research done by israelites
Are you genuinely this fricking mentally moronic?
No, Hitler would not have done anything to the LOTR books, he would have loved them in fact.
The only kind of books they burned were the kind you israeliterat demons write, about troony sex surgeries, about how its "ok to be gay" and whatever else sickening demonrat thoughts only your semitic minds can conjure.
They did not burn a single good book.
Fantasy literature is literally the most postmodern genre there is, it is cheap, mass produced, derivative and aims to put the masses into a sense of stupor by presenting the same familiar situations over and over. There is nothing traditional about it, in fact its explosion in popularity coincides with the rise of consumerism as the dominant culture of the western world.
That depends entirely on what they want to replace it with.
If by weird, they mean they want another setting like Morrowind or Planescape? Are companies willing to make games in a weird setting? Are the mass consumer bases investors want with these big titles willing to give a chance to a weird setting?
More to the point, do these games journalists even genuinely want a weird setting? Or are they actually asking for something else? Like a mundane setting, but with a twist like Persona or Life is Strange, or do they just mean a typical fantasy setting, just one that isn't European specifically?
"*insert thing here* fatigue" is not real, it's just an excuse companies make to blame consumers for not buying their shit. because the problem couldn't possibly be that the product is low quality... right?
>"*insert thing here* fatigue" is not real, it's just an excuse companies make to blame consumers for not buying their shit. because the problem couldn't possibly be that the product is low quality... right?
in the case of this article it's an attempt by the soi cuck to complain that there isn't enough african fantasy, which no one would buy and no one wants, not even him. he just wants good boy points for saying he wants it.
What even is African fantasy. Has a black person ever made a fantasy setting besides maybe cyberpunk. What would it even look like? and why should white people feel obligated to make it? Plus something like RE5 gets called racist b y these same people so it's not worth the trouble
>Plus something like RE5 gets called racist
This still blows my mind to this day. An all Japanese dev team make a game where a white American and black African shoot black Africans who are victims of white bio-terrorists is somehow racist even though the entire last game was about kill white zombies in Europe.
This truly is a mad, mad, mad world.
>Has a black person ever made a fantasy setting besides maybe cyberpunk
which forever proves that black people aren't the problem for making cool settings but africa is shit because of it's history.
>africa is shit because of it's history.
(Sub-Saharan) Africa is shit because of its geography, the highways of history are reliable waterways usable for industrial scale transport.
e.g. the columns of this thing in Rome are Egyptian imports.
If you look at a topographical map you can predict where the oldest most important cities and cradles of civilization are based on coast silhouette and rivers.
>(Sub-Saharan) Africa is shit because of its geography
I can't believe Jared Diamond still posts here.
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He's not wrong. Geography is one of the most important factors for a countries success
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If this was even remotely true than why were most European countries almost universally more successful than all African ones despite have a jurassically shorter growing season with harsh winters?
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You can't just live off the land during a long winter and survive. At least you can't have a civilization like that. Not enough wild animals to eat. So it's a moron filter.
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The winter forces you to develop a forward-thinking culture and adapt technologically, in order to survive. There's a reason snow tiles give +science in 4x games.
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Africa has shit soil and deadly diseases and animals
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Creating a simple civilization is easiest in stable fairly warm conditions without harsh winters and natural transport, e.g. pic related.
Once you get people dying off if you don't plan for changing seasons you're forcing K-selection and long-term planing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theory
Ireland is a low-effort example further north, it's chilly but survivable without having to change anything during the year, sheep eats grass, you eat sheep, no need to think much about it until the population gets too large.
Africa is the most resource rich continent and has far less environmental danger to struggle against than places like Europe
Black folk are just a low IQ species
Just look at North Africa, its a barren wasteland and it had civilizations throughout every era of history, while the fertile grasslands of Sub Saharan Africa had nothing, because the Black mind can not figure out how to farm land or build civilization
Stop coping Sambo
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>fertile grasslands of Sub Saharan Africa
Much of sub sahara Africa is jungle and desert which are shit for farming. Egypt had one of the most fertile rivers hence why it was able to succeed
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Vast majority of Sub Saharan Africa is savannah, which is fertile, farmable land, moron
And I said North Africa overall, not specifically Egypt
How come Morocco, Algeria and these other completely arid, dry as frick deserts with no resources and lack of rivers had civilizations? Because the people living there weren't dumb as frick Black folk
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>fertile, farmable land
Soil quality is still shit >How come Morocco, Algeria and these other completely arid, dry as frick deserts with no resources and lack of rivers had civilizations
Because of the Punics, Romans and Arabs. The Sahara was a barrier that prevented ideas from going to Africa
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>How come Morocco, Algeria and these other completely arid, dry as frick deserts with no resources
It's dead where it's dry, but the coast of the maghreb is habitable and fairly green, the mediterranean sea is an easy to use bathtub unlike the coast of larger oceans.
>What would it even look like?
Look up Kirikou. It's a kid tale, but it would give you an idea about what African Fantasy could look like. So protagonista running around almost completely naked and fighting a hot sorceress who is transforming the men of the local village into servant totems out of spite.
I never get tired of Fantasy, so long as I can be a human with a longsword, I will play your game, not BG3 though, I was interested until I saw that the player could engage in bearback(lol), I am not into that kind of game.
I couldn't get into this. Neither the plot, the cultivation, or the fight scenes were compelling enough for me to stick with it. And the main character acted like a total psychopath (even by Xianxia standards), who I was completely unable to empathize with.
I remember how he hated his brother and called him a hypocrite for being the stereotypical knight in shining armor who wanted to help people.
I remember how he butchered innocent people for 1% power gains.
I remember how he bullied, extorted, and murdered his classmates.
And I remember how he baited innocent farmers into attacking him, so that he could slaughter half of them, and then blackmail / extort the other half into doing his bidding.
I just...didn't see the point in it. The whole story feel spiteful to me.
All wuxiashit is pointless and ultimately vain by the nature of the genre. It's like asking why isekai is the way it is, with sex slaves and wish fulfillment whatever, it's because the genre attracts the kind of writers that ARE spiteful and soulless. Fantasy as a whole is a notoriously KHV genre.
>nooo you're not allowed to like kino rangers mech fights >anyway, back to my ball-lovers gape 3 character. I have to finish building my male harem >i'm trans btw
No one cares if you’re a troony, shut the frick up about it or frick off already
They are literally in every way based on European folklore creatures such as fairies, elves and goblins (which are not an evil species at all in folklore)
There is nothing original about them, moron
And that's why they're better. Family and temperance. Sci fi is a israeli rootless babylonian dyne in idealism and all of it's major works like Star Trek are commie propaganda. Most times when people talk about "weird" designs they are just designing demons.
I wish they'd push harder into either dark or high fantasy. I'm kind of sick of the "realistic" (read: GoT inspired) fantasy worlds that are common right now.
I have burger fantasy fatigue. This is what I like to call medieval-derived fantasy handled by Americans. I firmly believe that due to America not actually having any connection to that period of history, be it literature, architecture, mythology, historical figures, etc, Americans are largely incapable of producing fantasy above the level of a renaissance fair. Baldur’s Gate 3 is just the latest and most grotesque example of this. The Japanese can manage it (Dark Souls, Elden Ring), the Europeans can manage it (Witcher series), but the Americans write fantasy like a group of cosplayers discussing their modern San Franciscan sex lives and how much they fricking love science.
It’s a rules-as-written adaptation of Dungeons and Dragons, something that since 4th edition has been the burgeriest fantasy possible. They also hired on hundreds of new staff, most of whom seem to be from America and Canada.
I assume he was referring to the characters' culture making sense within the setting, as opposed to being copied over from the 21st Century. It's inherently speculative, of course, but some things do make more sense than others.
Witcher, while being fairly lowbrow, does at least succeed in creating a certain degree of verisimilitude in how it presents its world and characters. Modern American content like DnD in its present state is just some disgusting veneer of garish cosplay aesthetics skinned over characters acting like modern teenagers in what is supposed to be a fantasy medieval milieu. It never, ever succeeds in being in any way transportive or immersive.
Pillars of Eternity 1 and 2 were both colonial era fantasy settings, of course Ganker hated them because they weren't DnD.
Deadfire in particular is realistic about colonialism without falling into noble savage romanticism like most American media does.
No and I never will
Forests, castles, green fields, mountains
I will never be tired of these things and I don't see how anyone could be fatigued by them because medieval fantasy games aren't exactly common these days
>My tolerance for fantasy inspired by European folklore and Tolkien has entirely run out
I was expecting a Black or a israelite but I guess a leftoid soiboi is close enough.
>UHHH IM SO TIRED OF EUROPEAN FANTASY GOD WHY CAN’T WE HAVE SOMETHING LESS WHITE??????? >here’s Nioh, a game set in Japan with monsters inspired by Shinto folklore >or you can try Prince of Persia which is heavily Middle Eastern inspired fantasy >UHH THAT DOESN’T COUNT WHERE’S THE MAYAN AND AFRICAN FANTASY SETTINGS
Americans and their worship of hispanics and Black folk are truly a cancerous blight on this world
I’d honestly be all for a fantasy setting based on African folklore as opposed to trying to awkwardly crowbar racial and sexual minorities into a medieval setting in ways that don’t make sense.
There is no African folklore because the damn Black folk have always been too moronic to have a written history or any sort of visual artistry outside crude mud figures and masks made if feathers
Obviously Sub-Saharan Africans have a history (it's literally impossible not to, it's not an achievement) but how much of what's in that image is from west Africa where black Americans are from? The only one I don't recognize is the stone wall on the top left, the rest of the buildings are mosques and the tower is an Ethiopian stele.
West Africa has a few things but the only serious notable old building is the Grand Mosque of Djenne and we have almost no clue when it was built, by whom and if it was rebuilt at some point because nobody wrote anything down. We got one mention of what we're pretty sure was it in a 13th century work by an Arab and then nothing until the 19th century when a Frenchman saw it. And the mosque isn't even in Sub-Saharan west Africa, it's in Mali.
The Zulus and some other tribes from down in west Sub-Saharan Africa have an interesting history but nearly all anyone knows of it is through European interactions with them because they never wrote anything down and never built any permanent structures.
Its hilariously an argument against any Black history existing, when leftists use "MUH GREAT MOSQUE OF DJENNE" as an example of greatest Black architectural engineering
This is a small fort made out of mud
And they have to add new wet mud to it every year or else it falls down, you can see this on documentaries such as the Human Planet.
Also, this fort was built in 1907.
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>this fort was built in 1907
That was when it was rebuilt
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And the original was even far more inferior, because Black folks can not build anything of value
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>was even far more inferior
We don't even know what the original looked like lol
What a fricking cope
Any of those actual buildings in your picture were built by North Africans aka not Black folks or by Arabs aka not Black folks
The Black race has no history other than enslaving each other, eating people, and shitting in the nearby river
So do all churches and mosques not count in the middle east and europe as native art?
Anyhow
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lalibela
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Zimbabwe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Benin
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Everyone knows Ethiopians are slightly higher IQ than Black folks of all other types
But if those buildings are enough to impress you, then you have very low standards, and are probably a Black yourself
They are pathetic and architecturally inferior to the things Europeans and Middle Easterners and Asians were building 10 000 years ago
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>building 10 000 years ago
Almost no one was building anything 10,000 years ago. Stonehenge didn't even exist let alone modern Europeans didn't even exist. The oldest man made structures are things like Gobekli Tepe which predate pretty much everything
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>Almost no one was building anything 10,000 years ago
homie we had CITIES 10,000 years ago, Jericho is 11,000 years old
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Hence "almost". All the old stuff is in the middle east
Most vidya fantasy settings aren't actually medieval though, they're dnd-esque renaissance fair bullshit. Give me a proper medieval setting without gay dnd shit
Hell fricking no. Give me all the medieval fantasy settings you got. But for the frick of god, make them good. What im fatiegued off is fantasy with american degeneracy shoved in.
No not at all, I only have Black person fatigue, israelite fatigue, Hispanic fatigue, feminist fatigue, gay fatigue and troony fatigue. It just so happens every single one of those things is put into every current day western fantasy setting.
moldy bread produces argot, a precursor to lsd. its thought to be the source of some of the magical beliefs medieval people had. eat some bread, see a lizard, woah shit its a frickin dragon, so on so fourth.
Everybody was sooo obsessed with gayass scifi and military dudes and zombies and superheroes when I was a kid and I had NOTHING to eat but twenty-year-old YA novels and shit. Then anime got big with normies and isekai got big. Fine. In moderation. And now loads of fantasy is being pumped out but it all SUCKS! Keep making fantasy for twenty years until you gays get it right!!!!!
we need more mecha
why is mecha such a normie filter?
robots >>>>>>> human shaped robots
kino
what show is this?
nta but it looks like it's the newest Super Sentai show, Ohsama Sentai King-Ohger
SUPER
HUMAN
SAMURAI
same reason trainspotting filters the normies like crazy
the film or the hobby? wasn't aware the film filters people
YYOOOO is that Sentai? When did they go to Attack on Titan?
Looks cringe as frick, i could never take this power rangers genre seriously
They can’t be bothered to make a mech. My friend played AC4A and never made his own AC once.
baby shit for children
Mecha isn't the filter, war stories that last more than the length of a single movie is the filter
power rangers was only cool when youre 4 and discovering what your favourite colour is
>is literally a normal little boy genre
>thinks normies are filtered and not pandered to by it
not everyone is into childish shit
bro i love thor
I love how he has a small sword inside his wienerpit, in his little exoskeleton hand.
Where's the appeal?
A daring synthesis of swords and giant robots
>why is mecha such a normie
how do you explain the unreal success of pacific rim?
It wasn't a success, and most people hated it.
>It wasn't a success
are you living in bizarro land?
the movie was critically lauded for its visual effects, sound engineering and monster design. it had a budget of about 150m to 170m but brought in 500m+ globally and was deemed a financial success enough to warrant a sequel which did similarly well.
I might find this awesome if I were a 7 year old child
>MOOOM THERE IS LIKE, A HUUUUUUGE ROBOT FIGHTING, AND LIKE, HE HAS BIIIG SWORDS FOR ARMS, AND THERE IS LIKE, THIS ANOTHER HUUUGE ROBOT, BUT HE IS EVIL, AND HE HAS BIG SHIELDS FOR ARMS, AND LIKE THEY FIGHT EACH OTHER, AND THERE ARE EXPLOSIONS AND STUFF, AND ITS SOOOO COOOOOL MOM I SWEAR ITS THE COOLEST THING
CAN I HAVE ICE CREAM NOW?
Shut the frick up you stupid troony b***h before I find where you live and slit your fricking throat
>MOOOOOOOOOOOOM HE'S BEING MEAN TO ME, PLEASE MOM, TELL HIM TO GO AWAY
>HE SAID THAT ROBOTS AREN'T COOL, HE'S SO STUPID, MOOOM TELL HIM
This is what Hideaki Anno has been doing for a living since before you were born only its his wife bringing him beer
Basically all of Anno's stuff with the exception of that new Rider movie is much more cerebral than 99% of the toku industry, and at least 95% of the mecha industry.
>why is mecha
because japshit mecha is just a normal game with the scenery shrunk down.
Absolute frickin garbage
ok...that was fricking sick
kys redditor
>nooo you're not allowed to like kino rangers mech fights
>anyway, back to my ball-lovers gape 3 character. I have to finish building my male harem
>i'm trans btw
Video game mechas are what filter moeshitters out. Don't fool everyone now.
lol'd at the response you got so far.
Mechas are moronic for exactly the reason that webm demonstrates
>Has a humanoid form
>Rollerskates around like a hover tank making the humanoid form utterly irrelevant
Far, FAR too many mecha series do the same shit where the make the fact that the mecha are humanoid completely redundant.
What anime is that?
Looks like Votoms
I love mecha but it really only works in animation. I've tried a few series but I cannot get into puppet shit, it's just impossible to take seriously. I can appreciate the sheer amount of effort and skill it takes to make this stuff but I'll take TTGL or FMP! over it any day.
Will From move to mecha fantasy? I'm sure the weapon and enemy designs in Armored Core are going to lean towards technological realism instead of magic and giant bows
Miyazaki did say something about how he's interested in making one years ago. Who knows if he'll stick to it now that he's doing something else other than Souls.
xenoblade 4 will save us
Black, it's called Xenoblade Chronicles X
not mecha fantasy
Based multidimensional traveling knight
I would play a game with a multiverse knight traveling across genres
>tfw no mech fantasy games
I never did play that White Knight Chronicles, maybe it emulates well now.
Just wondering but why is it possible to spot ai images like these in under a second
The biggest reason is that they're unique from the stuff people have been making in the past. And since we're humans who have seen trillions of images and have gained immense familiarity with them, it's easy to tell when something is dramatically different from what came before. Then you notice the quality of the image, how on top of being unique it's usually full rendered which is rare for art. And then you notice the errors in the images.
After some time we start to recognize AI stylistic choices and the new art styles it's created too.
Makes sense, thanks
np. Another interesting thing I want to mention is that because people are so buttblasted about AI art, we've all been paying more attention to art in general. It's really funny when people call out human made art as if it was AI because it has some weird errors. So even though we can generally recognize AI art(as long as it's stylized characters or architecture anyway), we can't always tell.
he was trolling the frick out of you so you're either moronic or samegayging
Time traveling knight who get technology from all ages to defeat the big bad fricking when
Bro that's literally the Wizardry series
Might and Magic also when you get laser blasters.
bro your Live A Live
>Harem shit
I don't consume wish fullfilment for jap teens.
Yeah mech fantasy looks fricking radical
You should read Onee-sama and the Giant. It's not "mecha" but the co-protagonist fight against an antagonist is mechaish in its portrayal because the author loves mecha.
It's also a science fantasy series
Might be cool
If you the idea of mixing Phantasy Star and Berserk together with horror and psychotic lesbians sounds good then give it a shot
>lesbians
I knew it sounded too good to be true
oh shit, is that Bastard!?
More of the stuff othe far right. Would like a Final Fantasy X Front Mission crossover and a crazier spiritual successor to the likes of Star Ocean.
>dark fantasy is the exact same but you can't see anything
Heh.
xenoblade chronicles x was crazy
And the best in the series
I'd like some straight heroic fantasy for once
No DnD racial soup or grey morality, just kings and knights going off to fight dragons and evil wizards
The only mecha shit I enjoyed was Gundam (pretty much all of it), Macross, and Gurren Lagann.
I pretty much hate everything else in the genre. And If I DO like a series with mecha in it, I like it in SPITE of the Mecha (for example Code Geass)
What about Ideon?
Never seen it, but I should probably get around to watching it. It's on my backlog because I heard the plot is pretty good
It was basically Tomino seeing everything he was able to get away with in Gundam and going up another level.
if high fantasy was on a mountain it'd be perfect
No it wouldn’t. Shut up, moron.
i am in the .05%, i know. science fantasy is my favorite. i love space samurai and space cowboys
>tfw no Hyperborea fantasy
YES YES
>that off center rotation
the bakery has fallen....
You think that's bad, check out how 1 spool is off in the radial pattern.
low fantasy is fantasy set in the real world, not just any medieval fantasy
>set in the real world
Wrong.
what are you talking about, we're finally geting some damn good food
it's moldy because all good games are at least 10 years old
Never was into medieval shit. It's really uninteresting to me.
Anyone who says this must be a nonwhite who was stuck in the stone ages just 50 years ago before being dragged into the 21st century kicking and screaming by white people
why are you brown
This why I like Sea of Thieves and Grounded. I've never even played the latter but I like the Honey I Shrunk The Kids concept of fighting bugs in this big backyard, it's fresh in this day and age.
only if its boring humans and humanlike characters. give me fluffy/scaly/whatever waifus in fantasy
For me it's the abstract and hypothetical and unreal environment (hylics)
This too. Make me feel like I'm actually on a different planet / universe and I don't give a damn what time period it is, make aliens great again instead of just retextured human #6, in fact if you had a medieval world but with giant arachnids and megafauna that were all sentient and the society actually was built to accommodate them instead of them just being brainless mobs dying to self-insert humanoids it would be great.
>Time to kill off the elves
I will now play your game.
I have videogame fatigue
>i'm tired of elves, dragons, and fairies... can't we have something more exciting and original like... black people?
Play Clash.
I'll second Clash. It's a breath of fresh air and has my favorite game OST of the year.
>open video
>orchestra and latin faux choir going UBA DEBA UBA DEBA
wow thats incredibly original and never been done before thank you
>orchestra and latin faux choir going UBA DEBA UBA DEBA
Kino.
>> Ha He Hee Hoooooooo
Listening through it in order now, that was probably one of the weaker picks you could have started with compared to some real bangers before it in the playlist. Still some good shit, thanks for linking it.
Should've posted this:
I'm glad that I played it since just like Zeno Clash it's extremely weird in a good way. It's just too bad that the gameplay kinda sucks and seems to be limited by either budget or bad coding
Good taste
Why? Give your shill.
>Do you have medieval fatigue?
No. But I do dislike Forgotten Realms. Not because of it being European-inspired (European fantasy is kino) but because of it being a shoddily-made kitchen sink fantasy setting full of all sorts of chaotically thrown in crap.
There's no such thing as fantasy fatigue, there's only such thing as shitty fantasy. If people were making games and movies that looked like Frazetta artwork, nobody would be like "aboo aboo too much fantasy". No, instead people are making games that look like the shitty nufantasy pioneered by the troons over at DnD and early 2000s Bioware, and everyone is fricking tired of it.
Fromshit games are only a hit because they are the only fantasy titles that manage to embrace some of the aesthetic points of 1980s fantasy and scifi.
The last good fantasy game we got was Vagrant Story.
Based. I'd love to see a game set in something more like an old pulp fantasy setting with an art style to match. Same goes for sci-fi too. There's a whole treasure trove of inspirations there just waiting for someone to pick them up.
It's still insane to me nobody has bothered making a "verse" out of the Moorwiener works. They are absolutely perfect for the milking Hollywood loves.
>It's still insane to me nobody has bothered making a "verse" out of the Moorwiener works. They are absolutely perfect for the milking Hollywood loves.
He literally invented the term "Multiverse"....
Like Appendix N? Like old school dnd?
Alright I'll bite since I'm looking for fantasy and sci-fi books to read, give me some recommendations. The more creative, the better.
Shit I forgot to say, I'm also interested in classical fantasy/sci-fi artists, so give recommendations on those too.
The quintessential fantasy artist is Frank Frazetta, he defined literally every depiction of Conan the Barbarian ever after. There was a new artbook put out collecting his stuff just recently.
For sci-fi, your go-to guy is Chris Foss
Seconding Frazetta, you could also check out Amano (obvs, he didn't just do Final Fantasy art), Bruce Pennington for more psychedelic shit.
Barry Windsor-Smith isn't really "classical" but he's absolutely amazing
There's this comic called Metabarons, written by Alejandro Jodorowsky and drawn by Juan Gimenez. Check it out.
Get off of Ganker right now and go read Book of the New Sun
oh and stay away from Sandersonshit and if anyone recommends him to you shoot them with a shotgun
>oh and stay away from Sandersonshit and if anyone recommends him to you shoot them with a shotgun
This but also Bakker
True!
Bakker is the king of /sffg/
no, the wuxia/Chinese WN posters are
I haven't read Wuxia / Xuanhuan in like 3 years. Has anything good come out recently? I've already read Cradle, Coiling Dragon, Desolate Era, I Shall Seal the Heavens (dropped because it was boring), Against the gods (dropped after the genocide arc), Martial god Asura (dropped after the rape), Renegade Immortal (dropped because it was too edgy), Martial World (dropped because it was boring), True Martial World (dropped because it was poorly written powerfantasy), and Renegade Immortal (dropped because it was too edgy). Probably a few other series too, but they were so generic that I forgot about them.
>/sffg/
Does that one dude who will ape out at any mention of Wolfe still hang out over there?
I dunno, people talk about Wolfe a lot lol
No this dude specifically is very schizo, he has a whole folder of Wolfe redditjacks to "mock" people with. I've not been on Ganker since ~2017 but he was the closest that place got to a Barry, I think.
No, I'm not familiar with such a person. I have this based Wolfe pepe though
Read Jack Vance.
>Lyonesse
>Tales of a Dying Earth
>The Demon Princes
Also read Alfred Bester.
>The Stars My Destination
>The Demolished Man
Read Bradbury
>Fahrenheit 451
>Something Wicked This Way Comes
>The Martian Chronicles
Read the Big 3 of Asimov, Clarke and Heinlein
>I, Robot
>Caves of Steel
>Foundation series
>Rendezvous with Rama
>The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
Read Ursula Le Guin's Earthsea stuff
Read Larry Niven
>Ringworld
This rec goes to
as well
Go straight to the source and read myths and folklore from the distant past. The norse and greek myths are popular starting points, and with good reason, but you can hardly go wrong if some other culture interests you more.
>If people were making games and movies that looked like Frazetta artwork
>if
netflix has been pumping out bmww material for years now, so I don't know what you mean by "if"
I don't get why cuckold pretend WMBF isn't also super common in pozzed works
.....what?
Frazetta, the king of old school trad fantasy art, had a sambo fetish
oh I mean that's neat I guess good for him, I don't really care if the dude was a cuck or not cause his art is cool.
it's like saying that because the Wachowskis trooned out I can't like The Matrix
Well he was American its to be expected
Yeah but find me people that are not infested with WoW shit.
That's why I try not to be bothered by these demands that everybody stop producing X because X is boring now. It really only applies to the assembly line shit that I don't care about anyway. Something that is genuinely good will pierce through oversocialized Twitterati's prejudices.
No. Elden Ring showed me the medieval fantasy still has a lot of mileage going for it, they just need to do more unique things that only VIDEO GAMES can do like actually side with one faction against the other instead of allowing the player to do quests for both factions with no consequences (Volcano Manor vs Roundtable Hold). Absolute dogshit.
Why do I already know what he wants to say?
It’s literally just watered down Tolkien fatigue (D&D and Warcraft style). This person thinks they’re bored with Euro inspired worlds because it’s all the same Coca-Cola fantasy with no strong identity or willingness to create anything directly from the myth itself.
For once the clickbait article is right. I watched that summer game showcase and it was generic fantasy game followed by urban shooter followed by generic fantasy for an hour and a half. My god is the game industry creatively bankrupt
No you homosexual it's wrong. It's the writing you're tired of. You know with those games what you're gonna get. See my point here:
>uses Eldumb Boring to prove his point
Lol
Yeah? What's the problem?
>consume only the latest and greatest AAA goyslop
>watch goyslop shows where they showcase only the same generic shit
gee i wonder why you have sucha shit opinnions
Fricking sane opinion thank you. I hope you have many kids to pass on your big brain to.
In a way I know what op means. How many times can I be force-fed a Tolkien derivative when none of them come anywhere close to LoTR's setting? I prefer the setting of a game like mass effect vastly more than any game with elves and dwarves. I think the only one that even comes close is Warhammer because the elves and dwarves are the most mundane shit there and not the dull, uninspired selling point.
>WOW THIS GAME HAS ELVES?! OMG I NEED THIS NOW
and all the LOTR games suck
Nope. hack and slash 2 and 3 as well as Third Age were all great.
I want more low fantasy medieval games, the last one I liked is quite old now (battle brothers)
I want age of sail games
I want wild west games
I want roaring 20s games
frick your dungeons and dragons shit
Threads like this remind me of how sick I am of everyone's homosexual opinions.
tolkien ripoff, begone.
Same. Just a bunch of dumb morons who want "unique" settings with no regard for writing.
I don't particularly want writing either. The more writing a game has, the more likely it's going to boil down to some dev wasting my time with his own stupid opinion on something. What part of the experience am I any better for?
No. I mean good writing. Not verbose, or stupid opinion writing. I mean writing like
>The goblins killed all the men in this village and are took the women to breed more of themselves. If you don't find the goblin hideout within 1 hour using only clues and not bam ham vision, then all the women will be inseminated. The longer you take, the less women you can save.
Actual UNIQUE shit that has NOT been done in video games that force the player to make MEANINGFUL decisions but noooooo we just want unique settings with the same tired tropes of hero's journey bullshit. Fricking garbage planet.
Duke Nukem is the closest thing I can think of to that lmao.
And that's not even medieval fantasy which has been my point with every post. The SETTING is not tired, the WRITING is. Frick the fricking OP article and frick anyone who agrees with him. Fricking troglodyte philistines.
No I just played chrono trigger and it was awesome. Im going to pkay Teranigma next. I can't believe I missed out on all this shit when I was a kid.
Chrono Trigger isn't stereotypical fantasy, you time travel and such so it has a bunch of settings
I've had it for the last decade. I love Medieval fantasy but I'd kill for some more magipunk style games like FF 6-8
Yeah, I didn't care for FF15 much but the setting seemed potentially neat. Secret World too I wished was not an mmo.
>FF15
A pile of mediocrity but the fact that it's a fantasy world that managed to get to our level of tech made it interesting. There is not nearly enough fantasy that does that
>like FF 6-8
FF1-5 were also like that
But these settings aren’t medieval, vaguely early modern but not medieval
I will never get rid of Tolkien fantasy. Reading/watching/playing games with angelic elves and medieval men fighting objective evil is my comfort and makes me happy.
I reread Tolkien whenever I want good Tolkien fantasy. I don't buy store brand Coke either for the same reason. The new makers aren't as good by a pretty large margin.
forgotten realms dnd is far from that some fricking garbage bin mix made by a perv
no it's just GoTslop fatigue. personally I can't wait for post-post modernism to kick in fully where we go back to everything being sincere and whimsical as a direct counter to all the irony and deconstructive cynicism we've had the last two decades.
yeah what we really need are more ww2 shooters and military entertainment complex fuel.
Gaming journalism is the lowest form of review or critique. Seeking out and reposting what some bottom of the barrel english major quips about a game they can't beat is cancer
>Fraser Brown
Look at this beta b***h.
>literally who
imagine swallowing regurgitated opinions
>Look at this beta b***h.
i didn't know one man could contain so much soi.
>"Dreidel, dreidel, dreidel, I made you out of clay..."
Euro-trash shouldn't be allowed to share their opinions. Especially on the internet. I just seen one of these homosexuals spelling favorite with a "u" earlier. What a bunch of fricking losers.
new fantasy setting: france but they aren't all pedophiles
Too out there.
Fantasy is like better reality, you cannot get bored of it because it's more interesting by default.
You can get bored of same old gameplay, uncreatively safe stories, slow and poor storytelling, lack of interactivity etc.
Industry (AAA and AA studios) needs another jump in quality, not just graphics, this is universal problem
in all vidya genres. Best you have are some indie games and some rare AA studios fighting for their place,
but they simply lack the polish and size of content from larger studios, and larger studios always play it safe because investment money.
I think fantasy, which is mostly RPGs, needs good serious writing back that you had in the media from the 80s,
treat players as adults and write stories that are gripping and where you feel that bad choices don't immediately ruin your run,
but make it interesting and unique, regardless of setting. Today, even in games that are supposed to be dark fantasy, writing is censored and
ideas are dumbed down, making it feel like it's a cartoon for little kids that just so happenes to have some blood in it, god forbid any serious topics and touchy subjects.
Maybe one day.
i could go for some early modern fantasy
how common was to bang prostitutes during medieval times?
oh they were getting it on baby
incredibly common
like so common that basically every dude was doing it
even people in bum frick nowhere organized events that required them to travel to cities so they could frick prostitutes
every small town had hoes
there are written recounts where apparently some farmers would come together to come up with bullshit reasons why they regularly needed to go to towns when their only goal was to bang prostitutes and they wanted to do it more regularly than was actually required for them to visit a place to sell their shit
like as in literate recorded peasants coming together to organize this shit and spread word about the stuff they should make up to tell their wives and fathers explaining this to their sons
basically every place to sell goods had prostitutes just to the side so after selling ur shit u could go frick some b***hes with the money
so incredibly common to do but kept hush hush between men so women didn't find out
and u don't even need to think for more than a second how common it was for people who had money
Because we need real fantasy
I'm talking Lovecraft's "Dream Cycle" fantasy, stories and settings like "The Night Lands" by William Hope Hodgson
finally all the casual "nerd TM" homosexuals might leave my hobbies
Game of thrones and rape hungry women are a blight on gaming.
>come out with innovative environment
>no one plays it
what game?
It's without a doubt my favorite setting, it keeps the world's systems in an easy to understand way without creating overly described dumb stuff like magi-tech bulshit that rarely delivers correctly.
I have more of a current day fatigue in my games settings, but I would definitely be good with more 18th Century Age of the Sail inspired settings if done correctly.
>sci-fi
>allows you to explore the human condition and questions of morality, as well as play around with any kind of environments and crazy worlds
>fantasy
>I'm gonna kill the dragon and save the princess for the 100th time in this world consisting only of the same climate you'd find in central Europe
Fantasygays are mentally stunted children
terrible bait
Not an argument, homosexual
Go back to your autistic medieval armor subreddit
nah medieval fantasy is dogshit
>sci-fi
>allows you to explore the human condition and questions of morality, as well as play around with any kind of environments and crazy worlds
You mean the same question of what it means to be a human and the defining characteristics of life, which have been rewritten 1000's of different times with the same answer? With Aliens that are shallowly designed around proving a philosophical point the author wants to hamfist? I like old school scifi that has something original to say or delivers its message in a grounded non-fantastical way, but that's like finding needles in a haystack if you are looking at the past 20 years of Science Fiction in any media.
I think you were meaning to disprove my point but what you said just proves sci-fi inherently has more facets of storytelling than fantasy.
If you think a genre repeating the same themes that Assimov and Clarke have done over, over, over over, and over again in a successively worse fashion than the original you are missing the point the genre should be.
The thing with fantasy is you have a clean slate to mess up with or succeed upon and create your own original themes and settings. Stuff like the oppression of an evil empire, Dragons, & Magic are common but are definitely not the entire genre unlike science fiction.
>Stuff like the oppression of an evil empire, Dragons, & Magic are common but are definitely not the entire genre unlike science fiction.
Share some examples that aren't that.
The entire concept of low fantasy lit is about diluting those themes, making morality more grey, and while having stuff like magic exist it being a less almighty existence.
The Black Company is one example.
What new science fiction books have you read that you enjoyed? Released within the last 20 years I enjoyed Rainbows End, The Three Body Problem, and The Dark Forest.
What difference does it make what planet you're on if you're going to be doing nothing but scanning rocks and returning to base regardless, as per federation bylaws or some boring crap like that?
There's nothing stopping a fantasy story from exploring any of those same questions, in fact many do. They just use fantasy elements as ciphers for real world people and conflicts. And as much as you can claim that "scifi" started as a genre focused on exploring questions of the future and human condition, many popular things called scifi now are just as shallow as your example of a fantasy story, only the set dressing is different.
Both genres are involve people interacting with things that don't currently exist, the only real difference between fantasy and scifi is that one explores the human condition via looking at the past and what things societies used to believe in, while the other explores the human condition via looking at the future and society's current beliefs and trajectory.
95% of "sci-fi" today is fantasy with spaceships and aliens
I've had it for years honestly, I could not give less of a shit about fantasy games because they aren't a fantasy anymore. WOAW D&D AGAIN ZOMG CANT WAIT 2 MAEK A HALFORC BWARBAIAN ROFLMAO DOOD DERES AN EBIL DWAGON THRETENING YE OLDE KINGDOME :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I will translate
>I want more tribal Black folk and chinks in my videogames
>I want more tribal Black folk and chinks in my videogames
Yes. Frick another game set in the not 12-1400. Let me unga bunga or wuxia goddamn it
based fellow wuxiashit enjoyer
Not him but mah homie. I've been playing Wo Long these days and it's pretty fun. I'm running an Avatar build because I couldn't play Nioh (Xbro, SX) so I never learned how to do specific 'builds', plus every game with them typically has a hard counter to any of them (good luck fighting Seath as a caster lol)
Wuxia is such a neglected genre, especially when open world games are such a craze nowdays. Jade Empire is the closest we've gotten to it and while I like that game it has alot of flaws.
Make a Xianxia game where you can travel around on a flying sword and be a murder hobo. It would be amazing.
On the flipside, there are tons of great wuxia movies, and only a handful of decent western fantasy films.
Well in the next decade well get a lot of those games but it's gonna be straight up made by Chinese devs so god help the quality
It's about as "neglected" as a turd on a plate that no one's eating
Actually, what are some RPGs that break out of medieval stuff while keeping the fantasy? Nothing modern like Shadowrun, I'm talking of classic stuff like Tyranny, or Jade Empire for a wuxia example
>RPGs that break out of medieval stuff while keeping the fantasy?
Depends on what you consider medieval, a lot of these have swords and sorcery but higher tech levels. Some examples
>FF6
>FF7
>FF8
>FF10
>FF12
>FF13
>FF15
>Castlevania series
>Bloodborne
>Legend of Heroes series
>Tales of Series
I can never read Tyranny without reading it as troony first.
Frick this board for what it has done to me
NGL I'd love fantasy games set in fantasy-Africa.
Just as like "shitty European castles that are just a wall and a single tower and three houses" are turned into these massive citadels in fantasy... the same kinda upgrade can be given to African culture. Not everything is Savannah tribes, Africa had a lot of kingdoms with decently sized cities before colonialism came along.
Ethiopia used to be a powerful kingdom in the region (Abyssinia).
>Africa had a lot of kingdoms with decently sized cities before colonialism came along.
Uh huh, now why don’t you post an example of ancient African architecture that isn’t something built by colonialist and missionaries?
Literally half this buildings (the ones made out of stone masonry) are made by colonialist and missionaries, you braindead homosexual.
So do all churches and mosques not count in the middle east and europe as native art?
Anyhow
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lalibela
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Zimbabwe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Benin
No you disingenuous frick. Hence the whole argument of Black folk not having culture considering Europeans and Arabs built the fricking things.
where is the proof europeans or arabs built those?
Ahh yes, greco-roman gothic cloisters, the epitome of African architecture…
moronic argument when they put that shit in anyway in modern fantasy
the author (right)
Mmmmmm is THAT a BBC!?!
>ugh why doesn’t this game have a 10 minute long cutscene of a huge throbbing black wiener penetrating a quiver white virgin pussy, blowing a huge frothing load in her fertile womb, then anally breeding her sissified white fiancé afterwards????
Video games can be set anywhere, in anytime, limited only by ones imagination, and tards chose to set games in a high school.
no because the instant you include full auto guns in something it's trash.
Are they starting to realize the "stop putting Black folk everywhere" argument has weight and now just saying to get rid of it so a new genre filled with nigs can replace it?
You think about them more than the people you're reeeeeeing against
>o-obsessed
Dilate, homosexual.
Yes, but more specifically I'm tired of tolkien-esque medieval fantasy where racism is the main conflict.
nope, I like high fantasy
>fantasy is boring
>you just say that because you want to put Black folk in everything I hate Black folk
literal mental illness being this obsessed
homosexuals who only play AAA westernslop are a blight on this board
>muh nogs
>muh ugly wamen
I couldnt give less of a frick because this egs shit affects awful terrible games I wouldnt buy a decade ago when they werent filled with nogs and women
Replying to you two but this is for the whole thread: He's not suggesting Black folk at all.
>It's one of the reasons I still cling to Morrowind, a land where people live inside carapaces in a volcanic desert, where wizards fall from the sky, and where public transport is dominated by large, adorable bugs. And it's proof that you don't need to toss out every single familiar element just to make a place feel alien. You've still got your prophecies, lots of lots of elves, schools of magic—but it never stops being delightfully weird. Mind you, getting rid of some of those things would still be welcome.
I gotta say the article is decent.
https://web.archive.org/web/20230804094910/https://www.pcgamer.com/videogame-fantasy-settings-are-staler-than-mouldy-bread-right-now/
Archive.org link in case you don't want to give him clicks.
so he's a fricking moron. morrowwind isn't particularly unique at all. when I think of generic boring fantasy elder scrolls is top of the list by a mile.
>a land where people live inside carapaces in a volcanic desert, where wizards fall from the sky, and where public transport is dominated by large, adorable bugs.
Name five fricking stories with all of these wtf are you smoking.
>Name five fricking stories with all of these wtf are you smoking.
they all appear in other fantasy media, elder scrolls is a hodge podge of things borrowed or stolen from better creators. It's why it's so fricking generic.
Okay name five fricking stories with all of these.
>Okay name five fricking stories with all of these.
putting together in one series does not make it new. If anything his description just sounds like shitty video game level design.
>putting together in one series does not make it new
That, by definition, makes it new.
>That, by definition, makes it new.
No, no it does not.
why can't you answer his question?
>why can't you answer his question?
because i'm not gonna go through almost 70 years of fantasy to show you that elder scrolls is
a derivative shitheap. It isn't worth my effort.
pathetic
>pathetic
I get it you like garbage, that's great.
>talks shit
>refuses to elaborate
>runs away like a b***h
kek
You didn't even respond to the guy who did respond to your question in good faith, so you are really no better.
isekai slop mushoku tensei has all of those except for the bug ferries
he is actually suggesting nig nogs because he talks about how much he's excited for LE AFRICAN FANTASY
I hate the fact that if you point out that we don't really ever get Black fantasy because their customs and legends weren't recorded until the whites arrived you get called racist even though it's an actual legitimate undeniable fact.
No.
I love generic fantasy.
People that b***h about fantasy settings b***h and cry about them not having gay shit in them like robots and guns. Ironically whenever a genuinely unique fantasy setting comes out like Kenshin or Xenoblade they completely ignore it because it does have the generic D&D and Tolkien trappings in it
But Xenoblade has both robots and guns
>genuinely unique fantasy setting
Yeah it has guns and robots, but it’s not LotR with guns and robots, dipshit
>dwarves and elves
>generic fantasy
Nope. This is called Tolkien fantasy. You are both off topic now after completely misreading the thread.
You’re an autist.
Tolkien, D&D, and Arthurian legends are all the inspirations of modern generic fantasy and thus define it. Quit arguing semantics, moron.
lmao no you are incredibly ignorant. Modern fantasy has existed for hundreds of years. The wizard of Oz is a fantasy tale that came out multiple decades before LoTR. Ever heard of it? Guess not because you're a fricking idiot. If your shit has dwarves and elves in it, then it is a Tolkien derivative. It can barely even be called fantasy because obviously you didn't fantasize about the setting very much when you stole your races from some guy who did it way better 100 years ago.
Holy shit, you are braindead moronic. Don’t reply to me ever again, thanks.
The philistine rages when put in his place, storms out of the thread never even understanding what it was about.
>The wizard of Oz
Has nothing whatsoever to do with modern generic fantasy you absolute buffoon.
>If your shit has dwarves and elves in it, then it is a Tolkien derivative.
Orcs are a Tolkien invention and the most clear thing to point to, not existing before he made them up.
Elves as superior immortal human type is Tolkien, but not the Elf in a more fairy/Elb sense.
Dwarfs predate his works and are fairly close to folklore. .. although the size is less clear and there can be giant dwarfs and much smaller ones.
In both Elf and Dwarf case occasionally a clear line of distinction to fairies might not be possible.
>Orcs are a Tolkien invention and the most clear thing to point to, not existing before he made them up.
Orc is Elvish for goblin. Goblins have existed in European folklore forever
>Goblins have existed in European folklore forever
Yes as small not necessarily completely physically solid type, the human-size bodybuilder-orc archetype is however distinctly based on Tolkien derivatives.
In general Tolkien created the Star Trek of fantasy, aliens or other races being something a human with some makeup could play.
This is not the case for folklore, in this regard a Japanese fantasy setting with yokai (e.g. Nøkken and Kappa) is much closer in principle to medieval Europe than this is the case for Tolkien fantasy Europe.
>necessarily completely physically solid type, the human-size bodybuilder-orc archetype is however distinctly based on Tolkien derivatives.
They were literally bow-legged, lanky, manlets in the books, moron. The Uruk-hai were human half-breeds. Maybe you should try reading the books before spouting off your uninformed moronic opinions.
Uruk-hai is why I wrote based on Tolkien derivatives not on Tolkien itself.
Goblins are like small forest gnomes/fairies in European folklore
They are not some gross and evil green monsters
They do a little bit of mischief to humans at most, but not violence, and they look something like this
No. It’s mostly just furgays screeching about elves and dwarves because they rather have disgusting anthro shit and think “human with and animal head aping a real life culture 1:1” is the epitome of creativity
>it's literally impossible to find both of those to be boring shit
The backstory for elves and dwarves in Lord of the Rings is vastly more interesting and integral to the setting than whatever gay deviantart tier shit like tieflings are, furhomosexual.
>The backstory for elves and dwarves in Lord of the Rings is vastly more interesting and integral to the setting
Most fantasy settings aren't fricking LOTR. Its lazy ass ripoffs that don't have even a fraction of that kind of care put into its setting and just thoughtlessly inserts elves etc. because they're expected to be there.
Not like the shit most developers replace them with is much better. In fact, it’s usually much worse and rips you out of the setting.
Why do you continue to think that LoTR is what's being criticized here?
>do I fit in yet Ganker?
You were raised by a prostitute of a single mother.
I wanted to like this but the design/budget limitations were too bad
I was fatigued by the time Dark Souls came out. Elden Ring managed to make me like the aesthetics again but only because From Soft's art direction is good
are you implying dark souls is generic fantasy or are you saying by the time it came out you were sick of other games besides it because if it's the former that's a terribly stupid opinion
>dark souls isn't generic fantasy
k bro
This is one of these opinions thats so wrong that there is no possible way you could understand why it isn't so. Literally I can't even argue with you because you clearly have autism if you think berserk inspired dark fantasy is "generic"
>he thinks Berserk isn't generic
Oh, that explains it
No, it is not. I don't remember anything in Tolkein or GRRM or Gene Wolfe or TH White or any of the old guard of 20th century medieval tales like drowning an entire city with all its citizens in it to keep at bay the evil within. I don't remember anything in the old guard about pic kingdoms from across time and space being smashed together in a gigantic mountain of castles. You could not be more wrong unless you took a math test and just walked out of the exam room. Absolutely terrible opinion on all fronts. Do not reproduce.
Cuck souls fanboys be like
>DARK SOULS LORE IS SO DEEP
Time travel happened in the first game, second game and third game
Why didn't nobody time travel back to before gwyinn lit the flame and simply killed him? This is a massive plot hole.
>DARK SOULS LORE IS SO DEEP
I didn't say that anon.
>Why didn't nobody time travel back to before gwyinn lit the flame and simply killed him?
The first game's time travel happens because of Manus, not the player or any other ally. The second game's "time travel" is entering into the memories of long deceased giants who didn't know Gwyn. The third game isn't so much time travel as time is broken. I honestly think that would have been a pretty cool spectacle to see in all the smashed together lands some fragment of the Kiln of the First Flame right as Gwyn links the fire and then killing him. Neat anon.
>Manus, not the player or any other ally. The second game's "time travel" is entering into the memories of long deceased giants who didn't know Gwyn.
I get the circumstances, however, if there's a way, and it's "easy" enough for it to happen more than once with different characters, I have a hard time believing nobody else tried researching time travel magic to stop gwyn
>Pretty cool spectacle
Yeah, it would be a great conclusion to the story.
it's not generic fantasy but I never got into them because it was medieval fantasy. does that make sense?
I have medieval settings with pointless Black person, troony, and gay additions fatigue.
Actual authentic medieval settings are not done at all anymore.
no (u) for u
Have a (you) friend, you deserve it.
I want more generic low fantasy, sci Fi is fun, but there's not much to be done with it.
I'm still waiting for a game where you truly feel in fantasy land with kings and queens and dungeons and shieet
And if you cut away all the anti-white buzzwords and US-lefty bullshit the picture reads: "I want an RPG in wakanda".
No anon:
Too bad Black folk don't create fantasy worth immersing into. Going to have stick with Europeans, maybe Japs.
>Going to have stick with Europeans
You just said you don't want to engage with Black person fantasy
I don't. Luckily there isn't any to engage with. Outside of Black folk being placed in European fantasy.
Fromgays are so easy to bait
>jokes on you, I was only pretending to be moronic
There are more grimdark, edgy "subversions" of genuine Fantasy than there are actual works of genuine Fantasy. In other words, we get more Dark Souls than we do Elder Scrolls IV; Oblivion.
The Fantasy genre is transcendent, it stands above the rest for a reason.
Oblivion can be edgy sometimes too, honestly I think oblivion is closer to our reality than any souls game, sometimes our world is fricked sometimes it isn't.
Fantasy setting is derived from nostalgia for great britiain before the world went insane and let Black folk and brown skins move in and shit up the place. Leftoids sense this and instinctively want to subvert tolkein at every turn.
It would be nice if there were new good Star Wars RPGs. It's full of fantasy shit despite being sci-fi.
Star Wars is a western just set in space
That's why people call it science fantasy. It has the trappings of sci-fi, but its soul is high fantasy,
No, pic related is what's staler than mouldy bread.
Yet another example why Guild Wars is fricking peak MMO setting.
>high-fantasy medieval europe + jungle, desert, swamp, volcanic islands as the core game
>high-fantasy weeb land as expansion 1
>high-fantasy dindu land as expansion 2
>high-fantasy viking land as expansion 3
The best part is that it's still kicking, micro-transactions are literally only gaudy cosmetics and gratuitous storage space, and you can get the whole thing on Steam for like $30. It's a great game.
They removed the game from steam 4ish years ago. The only way to get a key now is to find unused DVD copies or buy it directly from Anet if they are still selling it
I generally avoid playing most mainstream fantasy games since they look so generic and have my whole life, so the recent glut of mediocre, same-y fantasy has had no bearing on my life aside from making the past few gaming announcement streams even more uninteresting.
Nope. In fact it's been a while since I've enjoyed a truly fantasy realm and I wish there was more.
What I am tired of a bit is D&D/etc. becoming so self referential and idk what the word for this is but super-hero high fantasy. I do not and have never given a flying frick about Owlbears and I don't particularly like them in concept because they are innately non-serious. I also don't so much like lack of world building or respect for the fantasy realm as a believable living world.
There's a very distinct feeling to 90s and earlier fantasy that I still love.
Elder scrolls lore is great for not being afraid of getting every kind of fantasy content and expanding them on their world, it's an unique "copy".
Just play chinese fantasy games.
to be clear, when he says weirder places he means Africa
>to be clear, when he says weirder places he means Africa
man I can't wait to use the high technology of stick and sharper stick, possibly a spear! See the sights of the mud huts on the horizon. It's gonna be so kino.
no
fantasy is extremely varied and if you are just dumping entire sub genres together I have 0 interest in your opinion based on a lack of knowledge on the genre
the difference between high fantasy and low fantasy is massive, let alone dark fantasy, medieval fantasy, grimdark, and plenty of other unique settings
since this mentions bg3, look at larians last game dos2, where elves are cannibalistic and eat the hearts of their dead and are far from beautiful perfect humans with pointy ears, or the various other unique races, landscapes, and story
no shit bg3 is going to feel samey, its straight up using a lot of the dnd setting that already exists and its deliberately incredibly generic
this wouldn't be an issue if this spastic was actually interested in fantasy instead of just playing the largest games around and seeing a lot of mass appeal targeted worlds
Then support another genre? That's like complaining about cyberpunk having too much tech involved with its story.
Because morons keep eating up any fantasyslop that gets produced so they just make more of it
Frick no. Every JRPG these days is set in highschool and/or tokyo and WRPGs hardly exist.
No because the feel of actual medieval European culture is seldom if ever captured. If fantasy devs wanted to freshen up the genre, they should lean as heavily as possible into the actual art and literature of the middle ages for inspiration as possible and less into genre tropes.
Fantasy settings are stale, we need more Kingdom Come's
>2023
>still no Expedition to the Barrier Peaks game
feels bad
We need more pure medieval games like Kingdom Come and Mount & Blade.
Aren't normies incapable of processing any kind of fiction that isn't just dirthut fantasy or star wars?
Most normies read detective thrillers, Stephen King and romance novels. Fantasy is an extreme niche outside of the Lord of the Rings movies and Game of Thrones.
I'm never getting tired of medieval kino tbh
Pro tip: Plate armour means it's not medieval
not really we've always gotten a steady output of fantasy. Whoever made that article needs to play more vidya
Always had. I don't get the appeal of medieval settings. Especially not the idealization of it. KCD was a breath of fresh air because it was realistic as frick. There are more interesting settings to make an RPG game besides medieval fantasy settings in the first place. Such as steampunk, cyberpunk, hellenic golden age, ancient egypt, nordpunk, slavpunk etc. But most devs are uninspired so they make just another medieval fantasy game.
Steampunk is absolute trash
>nordpunk, slavpunk
These don't even exist, stop making up words
>nordpunk
Something like NuGoW
>slavpunk
Something like Witcher books(before they added dwarves and elves to the games)
Jesus Christ, you just came up with new terms to describe absolutely nothing and you've never even read the Witcher books
>Something like Witcher books(before they added dwarves and elves to the games)
.......dwarves and elves were in the books, too.
I'd do bad shit for more Old West style fantasy. We only got Wild Arms, Weird West and Hard West for that
Better than rehashed post-apocalypse.
I have ESG fatigue
Nah. All I read is fantasy and that's a staple.
I've been saying this for a while. Enough with the Tolkien derivatives. I want to see more fantasy based on Lewis Carroll's Wonderland. The Shivering Isles did really well utilizing this world, and needless to say, the American McGee's Alice series.
Thing is the D&D does have room for more fantastical stuff because there are other more wild planes of existence they can explore
Planescape, Spelljammer and Dark Sun are all ripe for new, big budget games honestly.
I've not really been following it closely but it seems even tabletop books have barely been touching other planes, that might have a lot to do with WOTC apparently not wanting to do much with higher level content though
cant be, there hasnt *been* a good fantasy game in forever
that being said, when was the last time a AAA game had a classic alien invasion setting?
kys
Western and westaboo designed fantasy, yes.
Mother series is meh at best, by the way.
STOP THE PRESSES
A GAME JOURNALIST hates white european anything
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There's no "fatigue" when it comes to the genre itself. There's fatigue to shittily written stories in the genre.
It's easier to make a shitty medieval fantasy story than it is to make a good one. All you have to do is simply just not do any research on the time period and not build clear rules for how things like magic are supposed to work and evolve in your world.
I assure you that if someone were to put some actual effort in trying to string their world together, it'd actually sell. Baldur's Gate 3 already did despite them barely holding their story and ideas within together, but it still did since there was at least some feeling of things making sense. Take The Witcher Netflix show in comparison with this and you'll see what it all falls apart since that piece of shit doesn't even follow it's own rules made in the books. It doesn't know what it was to do, it just simply exists.
They've completely debased and ruined one of the greatest plot devices ever thought. They filled it with propaganda, politics and agenda, blacks trannies and homos hiding coin pouches in their ass.
Now they are "BORED" and are need something new to completely fricking ruin. Hahahahah
uhh what's a fantasy novel where the main character is a strong raven haired female princess?
Absofrickinlutely not.
>mouldy
>u
Yes I'm completely fricking sick of the same European setting with the same fricking environments and the same races.
Thank frick for few and far betweeb RPGs that aren't fantasy garbage like Deltarune and Lisa.
I love the weird 80s sci-fi/fantasy mashup in the first Phantasy Star. The sequels went much harder on the sci-fi elements and never quite captured the same feel.
>be random Camineet citizen
>live in a prefabricated carbon-nanotube dome at the edge of a casual-use space port protected by 50 foot high plasteel defensive walls
>want to visit my bronze-smithing cousin in the primitivist collective in the next town over
>cancel plan, forgot the forest is enchanted with disorientation magic, and our wise and benevolent ruler King Lashiec banned the sale of compasses last year
>decide instead to do some relaxing fishing in the nearby port town instead
>have to walk 30 miles to get there, there are no roads between cities and a vehicle costs more than I make in a decade
>fend off swarms of eye-bats, giant scorpions, ghosts, and the occasional dark wizard
>I really need to save up and buy a laser sword one of these days
>finally arrive, most beneficent and gracious King Lashiec banned all the boats too
>can't fish at the beach because I would be shredded and devoured by deep ones
>life is great in Parma, all hail King Lashiec
I heard that Phantasy Star 4 is the best one. Would I miss anything if I start there?
Honestly not really. There are some neat callbacks and connections to the earlier games but I can't really recommend trudging through them just for that.
>Honestly not really. There are some neat callbacks and connections to the earlier games but I can't really recommend trudging through them just for that.
play phantasy star 2 with no guide if you're masochistic.
I honestly always hated this. Felt like some kid dumped all his toys out on the carpet and made some haphazard plot together while he was playing with them. What it really was code monkeys in the 80’s putting some low effort story together to hinge the gameplay on. No vision, no congruity, no extensive thought or logic, just a hellish mixmash of 80’s anachronisms
Play Wasteland 2 & 3 they are a nice break from fantasy.
The west doesn't make European fantasy though. It makes Californian fantasy. And considering he's a game journalist the only reason he's complaining is because he hates anything tangentially related to Europe and there isn't enough blacks for his liking.
I will say that West devs can be dogshit at getting the European atmosphere right and end up making a bizarre Americanized hybrid.
>It's D&D's fault that everyone copied it
journo hot take logic
moron probably doesn’t even realize a sizable influence to modern gaming as a whole was nerds using ASCII to help visually represent their D&D campaigns.
fantasy surrealism will be the next big thing, zoomzooms love surrealism.
>wah wah!!! games have too many white people in them and not enough Black folk!!!!
There, summarized the article for you.
>medieval fatigue
I have Tolkien ripoff fatigue. Medieval has very little to do with it and almost no games have a "fantasy medieval" much less straight medieval setting.
Warhammer Fantasy had this and more...until THAT event that is.
Just ripoff literally any pre Tolkien fantasy and I'm good.
>Post-Collapse cyberpunk fantasy in a Megastructure setting
I wish there was more of this kind of stuff, it's a great setting even if the game is half-baked and unfinished.
just read Blame
Already done that, it's more about the lack of the setting in video games and despite Bleak Faith being more of a half-finished early access concept, it really made me ponder as to why no one else has tried something similar.
creators hate tapping unpopular settings that are defined by ostensibly a singular work, unless they have a great plan for differentiating themselves.
not really. the potential is limitless in a fantasy setting, it's what the devs do with it that matters.
Modern fantasy fails utterly at capturing the spirit of JRR Tolkien's work and European folklore, which are also both wildly different from each other. Generic D&D-style fantasy does suck though.
>god i hate dwarves and elves they are SO BORING
>what do you suggest instead?
>wolf people, cat people, bird people, monkey people, lizard people, frog people, cow people, horse people, rat people…
Why are furBlack folk like this? Are they that mad that nobody wants to turn their games into some fetishistic ERP session for some homosexual aspie?
Where are you guys pulling this from? Because literally nobody said anything about furgay races until you guys strawmanned with them.
Didnt they try to do that with new vegas or some shit?
What is it with that game attracting degenerates?
I liked the game, but id never cut my dick off or do any gay shit
Are there subliminal messages in it?
>Didnt they try to do that with new vegas or some shit?
There's a gay perk that gives you gay options in dialogue you don't see if you don't choose to take the park.
I'm good with any beast creatures from Greek mythology.
I watched the 80s bladerunner movie the other day, watched dune as well.
Setting doesnt matter, what matters is that the creators of the fantasy world are creative with a rich immagination.
If sonething is made with care and effort, simple shit like 50s timeline break into nuclear cars and ovens sounds genious instead of what the frick.
Even the weird shit like the submarine on a moon in a lake full of human blood gets a pass, as long as the person creating that world was creative and put a piece of himself in it trough effort.
I was most certainly born autistic, i played a lot with Legos, had a bunch of different sets and it all ended up in the same bucket.
I had a constant thing on my mind, no ww2 era technology, mad max shit.
Worked wonders on my autistic mind.
Rifles and machine guns, artillery and all sort of vehicles, fighting monsters (made from slizers and bionicles)
>staler than mouldy bread
???
mouldy bread is soft, moist and delicious
No, I'm sick of every medieval fantasy piece of media being low effort trash but I'm still hoping for a good one
>my tolerance for fantasy inspired by European folklore and Tolkien has run out
Who could be behind this post?
Have sex, incel.
Yikes! These games are too White!
What's really frustrating about all of this is that black and brown people exist now.
>What's really frustrating about all of this is that black and brown people exist now.
truly reality is the worst of all possible worlds.
>historical revisionism good
>couple of individuals being brought back as oddities for spectacle during the victorian era now means europe has always been diverse for thousands of years
>conquering and occupation of foreign lands now good because it’s white people being colonized
Written by a chang, go figure.
>By Sissy Jiang
Discord trannies aren't even trying to hide they are behind blacked posting.
>Japan has been releasing dozens of games heavily inspired be traditional Japanese and Shinto folklore for a decade now
>Still b***hes about European inspired fantasy not being specifically African enough
Hmm….
I have Black person fatigue
>Do you have medieval fatigue?
No. I only like Medieval and medieval adjacent settings like High Fantasy, Dark Fantasy, Sword and Sorcery, Arthurian, Epic Fantasy etc.
I don't give a shit about Sci-Fi, Cyberpunk, Space Opreas, Urban Fantasy, or games set in modern times.
im tired of dark fantasy shit which plagues the medium
we dont have enough traditional fantasy and it's why dragon's dogma 2 is the only game im currently excited for
Wasn't DD extremely dark though?
>dragon fricks shit up
>gryphons fricks shit up
>goblins waylay the roads at every corner
>hydras destroy shit
>bandits in every corner of the world
>oh and also there's a fricking hole in the capital now
When I think Dragon's Dogma, I don't think wondrous fantasy, I think big evil beasts frick shit up
A similar game that's more positive would be Monster Hunter World, where it's all about establishing a new frontier in a new world despite big monsters fricking shit up
>I hate the only modern passtime that has any vague sense of traditionalism and ties to western history
Postmodernist trannies, if it's such an issue then make a new setting yourself, there's plenty of good reasons that having a "generic" base ruleset makes it much more accessible and easier to RP with, but soiboys and morons who never liked fantasy anyway don't get that
Man you need to get outside more if you think a fantasy sub genre is the only tie to "westernism" whatever that means since America has dominated what it means to be the west for the past 50 years.
Hitler would've burned your precious lotr books btw.
>Hitler would've burned your precious lotr books btw.
>Man you need to get outside more
>Hitler would've burned your precious lotr books btw.
NTA. Don't think Nazis burned fantasy or general fiction. It was mostly marxist propaganda, israeli scientist's books, and unconventional sex research done by israelites
Are you genuinely this fricking mentally moronic?
No, Hitler would not have done anything to the LOTR books, he would have loved them in fact.
The only kind of books they burned were the kind you israeliterat demons write, about troony sex surgeries, about how its "ok to be gay" and whatever else sickening demonrat thoughts only your semitic minds can conjure.
They did not burn a single good book.
Fantasy literature is literally the most postmodern genre there is, it is cheap, mass produced, derivative and aims to put the masses into a sense of stupor by presenting the same familiar situations over and over. There is nothing traditional about it, in fact its explosion in popularity coincides with the rise of consumerism as the dominant culture of the western world.
>rise of consumerism as the dominant culture of the western world.
stopped reading there.
its true homosexual
nothing you said is true
>stopped reading at the end my post
lol
read a real book
reading is for morons such as yourself
moron
soft medival fantasy and korean fantasy sucks.
But I still need cool dark fantasy games.
That depends entirely on what they want to replace it with.
If by weird, they mean they want another setting like Morrowind or Planescape? Are companies willing to make games in a weird setting? Are the mass consumer bases investors want with these big titles willing to give a chance to a weird setting?
More to the point, do these games journalists even genuinely want a weird setting? Or are they actually asking for something else? Like a mundane setting, but with a twist like Persona or Life is Strange, or do they just mean a typical fantasy setting, just one that isn't European specifically?
they want more afroamerican fantasy games like forspoken
I want REAL medieval stuff. Not gay ass fantasy.
Baldur's Gate 3 starts with spelljammer shit. Does it never pick that back up?
"*insert thing here* fatigue" is not real, it's just an excuse companies make to blame consumers for not buying their shit. because the problem couldn't possibly be that the product is low quality... right?
>"*insert thing here* fatigue" is not real, it's just an excuse companies make to blame consumers for not buying their shit. because the problem couldn't possibly be that the product is low quality... right?
in the case of this article it's an attempt by the soi cuck to complain that there isn't enough african fantasy, which no one would buy and no one wants, not even him. he just wants good boy points for saying he wants it.
What even is African fantasy. Has a black person ever made a fantasy setting besides maybe cyberpunk. What would it even look like? and why should white people feel obligated to make it? Plus something like RE5 gets called racist b y these same people so it's not worth the trouble
>Plus something like RE5 gets called racist
This still blows my mind to this day. An all Japanese dev team make a game where a white American and black African shoot black Africans who are victims of white bio-terrorists is somehow racist even though the entire last game was about kill white zombies in Europe.
This truly is a mad, mad, mad world.
>Has a black person ever made a fantasy setting besides maybe cyberpunk
which forever proves that black people aren't the problem for making cool settings but africa is shit because of it's history.
>africa is shit because of it's history.
(Sub-Saharan) Africa is shit because of its geography, the highways of history are reliable waterways usable for industrial scale transport.
e.g. the columns of this thing in Rome are Egyptian imports.
If you look at a topographical map you can predict where the oldest most important cities and cradles of civilization are based on coast silhouette and rivers.
>(Sub-Saharan) Africa is shit because of its geography
I can't believe Jared Diamond still posts here.
He's not wrong. Geography is one of the most important factors for a countries success
If this was even remotely true than why were most European countries almost universally more successful than all African ones despite have a jurassically shorter growing season with harsh winters?
You can't just live off the land during a long winter and survive. At least you can't have a civilization like that. Not enough wild animals to eat. So it's a moron filter.
The winter forces you to develop a forward-thinking culture and adapt technologically, in order to survive. There's a reason snow tiles give +science in 4x games.
Africa has shit soil and deadly diseases and animals
Creating a simple civilization is easiest in stable fairly warm conditions without harsh winters and natural transport, e.g. pic related.
Once you get people dying off if you don't plan for changing seasons you're forcing K-selection and long-term planing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theory
Ireland is a low-effort example further north, it's chilly but survivable without having to change anything during the year, sheep eats grass, you eat sheep, no need to think much about it until the population gets too large.
>europe is isolate form central asia by the alps
Stopped reading there..
Africa is the most resource rich continent and has far less environmental danger to struggle against than places like Europe
Black folk are just a low IQ species
Just look at North Africa, its a barren wasteland and it had civilizations throughout every era of history, while the fertile grasslands of Sub Saharan Africa had nothing, because the Black mind can not figure out how to farm land or build civilization
Stop coping Sambo
>fertile grasslands of Sub Saharan Africa
Much of sub sahara Africa is jungle and desert which are shit for farming. Egypt had one of the most fertile rivers hence why it was able to succeed
Vast majority of Sub Saharan Africa is savannah, which is fertile, farmable land, moron
And I said North Africa overall, not specifically Egypt
How come Morocco, Algeria and these other completely arid, dry as frick deserts with no resources and lack of rivers had civilizations? Because the people living there weren't dumb as frick Black folk
>fertile, farmable land
Soil quality is still shit
>How come Morocco, Algeria and these other completely arid, dry as frick deserts with no resources and lack of rivers had civilizations
Because of the Punics, Romans and Arabs. The Sahara was a barrier that prevented ideas from going to Africa
>How come Morocco, Algeria and these other completely arid, dry as frick deserts with no resources
It's dead where it's dry, but the coast of the maghreb is habitable and fairly green, the mediterranean sea is an easy to use bathtub unlike the coast of larger oceans.
>What would it even look like?
Look up Kirikou. It's a kid tale, but it would give you an idea about what African Fantasy could look like. So protagonista running around almost completely naked and fighting a hot sorceress who is transforming the men of the local village into servant totems out of spite.
I never get tired of Fantasy, so long as I can be a human with a longsword, I will play your game, not BG3 though, I was interested until I saw that the player could engage in bearback(lol), I am not into that kind of game.
Video game when?
I couldn't get into this. Neither the plot, the cultivation, or the fight scenes were compelling enough for me to stick with it. And the main character acted like a total psychopath (even by Xianxia standards), who I was completely unable to empathize with.
I remember how he hated his brother and called him a hypocrite for being the stereotypical knight in shining armor who wanted to help people.
I remember how he butchered innocent people for 1% power gains.
I remember how he bullied, extorted, and murdered his classmates.
And I remember how he baited innocent farmers into attacking him, so that he could slaughter half of them, and then blackmail / extort the other half into doing his bidding.
I just...didn't see the point in it. The whole story feel spiteful to me.
Fang Yuan is the most "neutral evil" protagonist who ever protagonisted.
All wuxiashit is pointless and ultimately vain by the nature of the genre. It's like asking why isekai is the way it is, with sex slaves and wish fulfillment whatever, it's because the genre attracts the kind of writers that ARE spiteful and soulless. Fantasy as a whole is a notoriously KHV genre.
Dropped RI a hundred or so chapters in. Warlock of the Magus World was far more enjoyable.
I never get tired of medieval fantasy as long as I get to roleplay the way I want.
I think we need more non-human fantasy but it seems that people are not ready to accept it yet.
The main characters to the Dark Crystal were literally elves, moron.
Gelflings were not elves.
>Gelflings were not elves.
>G-elf-ling
>elf
>trannies are not real women
>wo-men
>men
two can play at that game, sister
No one cares if you’re a troony, shut the frick up about it or frick off already
They are literally in every way based on European folklore creatures such as fairies, elves and goblins (which are not an evil species at all in folklore)
There is nothing original about them, moron
And that's why they're better. Family and temperance. Sci fi is a israeli rootless babylonian dyne in idealism and all of it's major works like Star Trek are commie propaganda. Most times when people talk about "weird" designs they are just designing demons.
Yes, I didnt say thats a bad thing.
European folklore is objectively superior to all other fiction.
>a single good reboot of a niche movie from your childhood
based
>it gets cancelled after the first series
not based
They went too far with the Skeksis in season 2 and people started to notice.
Clash is a fun game and doesn't have any humans. It has to be the most underrated game released this year.
>still less than 400 reviews on steam
Sad!
It's not fair
they can't get weird, there's a reason everything gets retreaded now
Not at all, we are actually starved for good medieval games. An open world RPG set during the Crusades would be awesome
I wish someone would make a game based on the Lightbringer series. There is so much cool shit you can do in that setting.
just gimme more shit like morrowind
Kirkbride is a drugged up schizo loser who’s main source of income is the unemployment line
There's a fine line between brilliance and schizophrenia
that's just what big schizophrenia wants you to believe
>big schizophrenia
And that's a good thing. We need more schizo losers getting drugged up and locked in motel rooms for the weekend to write lore for video games
enter: Starfield
I wish they'd push harder into either dark or high fantasy. I'm kind of sick of the "realistic" (read: GoT inspired) fantasy worlds that are common right now.
Fear and Hunger was a nice change of pace.
How about a world where low level magic is extremely common while higher level magic is really rare, I think there's a d&d setting like that
Yes, let's get Eastern European.
Not really but I have space and zombie fatigue
I have burger fantasy fatigue. This is what I like to call medieval-derived fantasy handled by Americans. I firmly believe that due to America not actually having any connection to that period of history, be it literature, architecture, mythology, historical figures, etc, Americans are largely incapable of producing fantasy above the level of a renaissance fair. Baldur’s Gate 3 is just the latest and most grotesque example of this. The Japanese can manage it (Dark Souls, Elden Ring), the Europeans can manage it (Witcher series), but the Americans write fantasy like a group of cosplayers discussing their modern San Franciscan sex lives and how much they fricking love science.
Baldur's Gate 3 was made by Europeans though?
MURIFAT FAT FAT FAT Black person MUTT MURIFAT
It’s a rules-as-written adaptation of Dungeons and Dragons, something that since 4th edition has been the burgeriest fantasy possible. They also hired on hundreds of new staff, most of whom seem to be from America and Canada.
Ehhhhhh Witcher 3 is barely a step up from BG3 in historical authenticity.
>fantasy set in a world where humans aren't even a native species
>"historical accuracy"
The fact is that I don't understand it
I assume he was referring to the characters' culture making sense within the setting, as opposed to being copied over from the 21st Century. It's inherently speculative, of course, but some things do make more sense than others.
Learn to read. He did not say historical accuracy, judenrat. He said historical authenticity.
Witcher, while being fairly lowbrow, does at least succeed in creating a certain degree of verisimilitude in how it presents its world and characters. Modern American content like DnD in its present state is just some disgusting veneer of garish cosplay aesthetics skinned over characters acting like modern teenagers in what is supposed to be a fantasy medieval milieu. It never, ever succeeds in being in any way transportive or immersive.
>Baldur's Gate 3 was made by Europeans though?
kek, that guy is a fricking idiot apparently.
It's based off DnD and that's burger fantasy
Witcher 1 had the best feeling and atmosphere. 2 and 3 felt more americanized.
Better than yet ANOTHER WW2 game so I can see yet another retelling of the israelites being victims.
A better question is what setting is NOT played out at this point.
Any interesting location or time period has at least a couple notable games
What about India before the Raj?
I think Greedfall is the only real fantasy colonial era game, or at least there's not many of them. Same with urban fantasy.
Pillars of Eternity 1 and 2 were both colonial era fantasy settings, of course Ganker hated them because they weren't DnD.
Deadfire in particular is realistic about colonialism without falling into noble savage romanticism like most American media does.
Keep saying dumb shit like that and you're going to summon ancient-mesoamericanon
I'd play the shit out of an Apocalypto game
No and I never will
Forests, castles, green fields, mountains
I will never be tired of these things and I don't see how anyone could be fatigued by them because medieval fantasy games aren't exactly common these days
>My tolerance for fantasy inspired by European folklore and Tolkien has entirely run out
I was expecting a Black or a israelite but I guess a leftoid soiboi is close enough.
Your expectations were misguided. Black people love Dark Souls.
What the fricks the deal with men and wearing earrings? They look so goddamn ugly and gay on them.
>ugly and gay on them.
probably an attempt to distract from the fact that he's incredibly ugly and very gay (looking).
I've been saying this for years. DnD/Tolkien fantasy is fricking boring
I've had that ever since the LotR trilogy was in theatres.
>UHHH IM SO TIRED OF EUROPEAN FANTASY GOD WHY CAN’T WE HAVE SOMETHING LESS WHITE???????
>here’s Nioh, a game set in Japan with monsters inspired by Shinto folklore
>or you can try Prince of Persia which is heavily Middle Eastern inspired fantasy
>UHH THAT DOESN’T COUNT WHERE’S THE MAYAN AND AFRICAN FANTASY SETTINGS
Americans and their worship of hispanics and Black folk are truly a cancerous blight on this world
I’d honestly be all for a fantasy setting based on African folklore as opposed to trying to awkwardly crowbar racial and sexual minorities into a medieval setting in ways that don’t make sense.
There is no African folklore because the damn Black folk have always been too moronic to have a written history or any sort of visual artistry outside crude mud figures and masks made if feathers
Not falling for this obvious bait. Kys
not an argument
I don't even think people would b***h about muh inclusion if they actually just embraced the culture instead of shoving them into existing series
Obviously Sub-Saharan Africans have a history (it's literally impossible not to, it's not an achievement) but how much of what's in that image is from west Africa where black Americans are from? The only one I don't recognize is the stone wall on the top left, the rest of the buildings are mosques and the tower is an Ethiopian stele.
West Africa has a few things but the only serious notable old building is the Grand Mosque of Djenne and we have almost no clue when it was built, by whom and if it was rebuilt at some point because nobody wrote anything down. We got one mention of what we're pretty sure was it in a 13th century work by an Arab and then nothing until the 19th century when a Frenchman saw it. And the mosque isn't even in Sub-Saharan west Africa, it's in Mali.
The Zulus and some other tribes from down in west Sub-Saharan Africa have an interesting history but nearly all anyone knows of it is through European interactions with them because they never wrote anything down and never built any permanent structures.
There is way more than just Mali and Ethiopia. Swahilis, Nubians, Somalis, Ghana, and more have history worth looking into
Post Nubian princesses for me to contemplate further
Its hilariously an argument against any Black history existing, when leftists use "MUH GREAT MOSQUE OF DJENNE" as an example of greatest Black architectural engineering
This is a small fort made out of mud
And they have to add new wet mud to it every year or else it falls down, you can see this on documentaries such as the Human Planet.
Also, this fort was built in 1907.
>this fort was built in 1907
That was when it was rebuilt
And the original was even far more inferior, because Black folks can not build anything of value
>was even far more inferior
We don't even know what the original looked like lol
What a fricking cope
Any of those actual buildings in your picture were built by North Africans aka not Black folks or by Arabs aka not Black folks
The Black race has no history other than enslaving each other, eating people, and shitting in the nearby river
Everyone knows Ethiopians are slightly higher IQ than Black folks of all other types
But if those buildings are enough to impress you, then you have very low standards, and are probably a Black yourself
They are pathetic and architecturally inferior to the things Europeans and Middle Easterners and Asians were building 10 000 years ago
>building 10 000 years ago
Almost no one was building anything 10,000 years ago. Stonehenge didn't even exist let alone modern Europeans didn't even exist. The oldest man made structures are things like Gobekli Tepe which predate pretty much everything
>Almost no one was building anything 10,000 years ago
homie we had CITIES 10,000 years ago, Jericho is 11,000 years old
Hence "almost". All the old stuff is in the middle east
yes it is
cope seethe dilate
get fricked
I'm tired of classic DnD fantasy
>generic fantasy fatigue
yes
>medieval fatigue
no
The two look little alike
Most vidya fantasy settings aren't actually medieval though, they're dnd-esque renaissance fair bullshit. Give me a proper medieval setting without gay dnd shit
YES.
Too much not- Tolkien media.
Any jouno who says their exhausted by stuff you choose to engage with deserves to be fed into a wood chipper
Didn't read the thread.
We need more early colonial and seafaring age settings in vidya, like Greedfall, but actually good.
Hell fricking no. Give me all the medieval fantasy settings you got. But for the frick of god, make them good. What im fatiegued off is fantasy with american degeneracy shoved in.
No but I have "Pewdiepie, at the bridge" fatigue.
No, I do not.
No not at all, I only have Black person fatigue, israelite fatigue, Hispanic fatigue, feminist fatigue, gay fatigue and troony fatigue. It just so happens every single one of those things is put into every current day western fantasy setting.
Bet the author hasn't eaten moldy bread even if it's a super different and "new" experience vs fresh bread.
moldy bread produces argot, a precursor to lsd. its thought to be the source of some of the magical beliefs medieval people had. eat some bread, see a lizard, woah shit its a frickin dragon, so on so fourth.
>Do you have medieval fatigue?
Little
Nah, I like to mix it up. Some times I'm in the mood for fantasy while other times I'll consume sci-fi stuff.
We need plenty of both.
Everybody was sooo obsessed with gayass scifi and military dudes and zombies and superheroes when I was a kid and I had NOTHING to eat but twenty-year-old YA novels and shit. Then anime got big with normies and isekai got big. Fine. In moderation. And now loads of fantasy is being pumped out but it all SUCKS! Keep making fantasy for twenty years until you gays get it right!!!!!
Baldurs Gate 3 is the first time in 8 bloody years that i´ve gotten a good classical fantasy tale again. We need MORE of that, not less.