"Fallout 3 has a great atmosphere" might be one of the greatest lies in gaming history. It's incoherent and inconsistent because Bethesda couldn't settle on a singular aesthetic and instead tossed a bunch of wacky B-Movie scenarios into the world.
The only thing that 3 did much better than NV in terms of atmosphere and worldbuilding is the random encounters but it's weird they weren't included in NV in the first place since that's a staple in Fallout games.
I don't think there's anything "wrong" with the atmosphere necessarily. I just think that the execution for quests and storylines are half-baked, and that drags the "feel" down a lot. But New Vegas' atmosphere will always be vastly better in execution, no matter how hard 3gays cry.
Fallout 3 is the actual fun game with a cool map and neat quests and fun survival while NV is the pseudo-intellectual mod-tier game that trans youtubers overhyped so normies treat it like gold
lmao you gays are so contrarian that you're actually forcing yourself to believe 3 is a good game
it's maybe the worst written triple A game I've ever played, and that's saying something
Yep, way better than anything you'll get out of Fallout 3.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Sure pal, you shoot those little bottles with your bb gun then come back and talk to me troony homosexual.
5 months ago
Anonymous
You're clearly just shitposting for (you)s now
5 months ago
Anonymous
Just because I say the game is shit I'm shitposting? Get a grip NV troony
5 months ago
Anonymous
Just because I say the game is shit I'm shitposting? Get a grip NV troony
Dude every single person shits on F3. You don't want to die on this hill. F3 is a dogshit game through and through and no amount of crying about your boogeyman will ever change that.
>other than the writing
only the most important thing then
If Fallout 3 is a 4/10, New Vegas is a like 6/10, maybe 6.5 at best. New Vegas offers marginal improvements over 3 but still has significant issues in world building, quest design, character builds, and the in-game economy.
name 5 games with better world building and quest design than new vegas
only moronic contrarians and/or people who find fallout 3 more nostalgic prefer it. New Vegas has much more content and much better world building with thought put into it and how people live. It has immeasurably better writing and quest design with multiple options and branching. The only thought put into Fallout 3 is along the lines of 'DUDE WHAT IF WE HAD A TOWN FULL OF ONLY LITTLE KIDS? XD' it has no coherency and is just a moronic theme park. There is no aspect of Fallout 3 that is better.
Best review of Fallout 3 btw: https://web.archive.org/web/20081202033348/http://www.nma-fallout.com/article.php?id=47347
Exploration in Fallout 3 >If you are lucky: a skill magazine, a nuka-cola quantum, or a less-frequent weapon (Chinese assault rifle/Combat shotgun) >If you are very lucky: a bobblehead >Most locations are rather empty >Hardly any NPC's, or lore, or points of interest in the majority of locations
Exploration in New Vegas >Higher novelty of finding weapons (there are much more weapons in the game, with a larger variety inherently) >Higher novelty of finding unique weapons (which again, are more frequent and better executed throughout) >Better use for discovering misc items (there is a system for crafting for drugs, food, explosives, ammo, quests, and weapons - F3 only had a few weapons) >Finding bottle caps/items matters more, because there is much more to purchase/sell in the game >Finding ammo is more interesting because there are more variations (ie, different ammo types, as well as spare parts) >finding water and food matters more because of hardcore mode >There are more enemies by default (+humans carry more varied weapons and equipment) >Plenty of locations are tied to quests or NPC's, or at the very least have an interesting personality
New Vegas is simply multiple steps beyond what 3 offered.
>Finding bottle caps/items matters more, because there is much more to purchase/sell in the game
Not when you can very easily get tens of thousands of caps from the casinos in New vegas and get handed game breaking gear from every dlc
Not to mention you can just kill the guards behind the gun runners and sell their armor for thousands of caps
In fo3 stimpaks and ammo were actually pretty rare in early game so scavenging was very necessary. In Nv everybody hands you guns and ammo at every turn so you never really have a need for anything. Shit, you get 200 rounds and a service rifle for killing 5 ants at the Mojave outpost. You get 5 stimpaks for smiling at the doc
Also you forgot about weapon schematics in 3 >finding water and food matters more because of hardcore mode
Lmao no it doesn't
You can still fast travel in hardcore mode so you can always go back to goodsprings for clean drinking water and food is fricking everywhere. Nv hardcore mode is a joke, fo4 was the first one to get it right
>Finding bottle caps/items matters more, because there is much more to purchase/sell in the game
Not when you can very easily get tens of thousands of caps from the casinos in New vegas and get handed game breaking gear from every dlc
Not to mention you can just kill the guards behind the gun runners and sell their armor for thousands of caps
In fo3 stimpaks and ammo were actually pretty rare in early game so scavenging was very necessary. In Nv everybody hands you guns and ammo at every turn so you never really have a need for anything. Shit, you get 200 rounds and a service rifle for killing 5 ants at the Mojave outpost. You get 5 stimpaks for smiling at the doc
Also you forgot about weapon schematics in 3 >finding water and food matters more because of hardcore mode
Lmao no it doesn't
You can still fast travel in hardcore mode so you can always go back to goodsprings for clean drinking water and food is fricking everywhere. Nv hardcore mode is a joke, fo4 was the first one to get it right
but also this to an extent, the lack of weapons and armor in fallout 3 makes exploring very boring. if the map was half as big and had half as many locations it wouldn't matter. also enemy variety is extremely lacking in f3
Why did Fallout 3 suddenly introduce the idea that every human enemy had to drop their armor when you killed them? This never happened in the original games because you needed to buy them.
New Vegas is better as a RPG. Because it's become popular and somehow trannies speak about it, contrarian Black folk here dick suck 3.
Play them both again and you will see lol or do tale of two wastelands for some improvements in 3
Choices in New Vegas >In the first real quest of the game (Ghost Town Gunfight) the are skill checks for bartering, speech, explosives, medicine, and science. Needless to say, there are countless more in the game, and there are some for reputation, SPECIAL, and perks also.
Choices in Fallout 3 >There are rarely skill checks for dialogue in most of the game, outside of occasionally appearing for speech
I much prefer New Vegas's approach. It has a lot more depth and scope.
New Vegas >Every single npc in the game is killable, with the exception of Yes Man
Fallout 3 >Certain NPC's are marked as unkillable, because they are required for the main quests more strictly
I prefer New Vegas's line of thinking more. More freedom and choices is fun. I admire that the designers had the wit and passion to go in this direction.
If Fallout 3 is a 4/10, New Vegas is a like 6/10, maybe 6.5 at best. New Vegas offers marginal improvements over 3 but still has significant issues in world building, quest design, character builds, and the in-game economy.
3 has a vastly superior atmosphere and random encounters make the world much more unpredictable
Knowing the location of every enemy on the map and exactly what happens on every stretch of road kinda kills nv replay value imo
Perks in New Vegas >Most of them are bonuses that purposely effect specific weapons, enemies, builds, specials. This is good because it puts and emphasis on variety (example: cowboy, grunt, demolition expert, shotgun surgeon, and stay back, stonewall, hit the deck, unstoppable force, etc.)
Perks in Fallout 3 >A large amount of perks only increase skill points ...Which is a pretty underwhelming reward, since levelling up already increases your skills (example: gun nut, little leaguer, thief, scoundrel, size matters, etc.)
New Vegas was a really big jump in the fun and options departments.
Amazing voice acting in New Vegas >Benny >Victor >Vulpes >Boone >Arcade Gannon >Yes Man >Mr. House >Caesar >Chief Hanlon >Legate Lanius >Mr. New Vegas >Father Elijah >Joshua Graham >The Think Tank >Ulysses
the evil playthrough in fo3 is 90% the same as the good playthrough. In NV you literally join a different faction which drastically affects the world and the main storyline.
Fallout 3's music >It is a lot more gaudy and triumphant, which is a departure from the darker ambient of the past games >It has been speculated that Inon Zur repurposed some tracks from his previous works such as Crysis
New Vegas's music >Higher focus on ambience and slower tempos >Tracks feel like they are purposely built for the themes of the game (see: "No Rest for These Bones" or "Not My Vault")
New Vegas had excellent music that very much elevated the already-fantastic atmosphere of the game.
Writing in New Vegas >One of the greatest and most ambitious stories in video game history. The characters and setting have and incredible level of depth and personality.
Writing in Fallout 3 >Generally pretty average characters and premises. The story also decided to gratuitously re-use parts from 1 and 2, in a way that fans have called hacky and unconvincing.
New Vegas truly felt like a pitch-perfect passion project.
Yes. In Emil's magical 85 I.Q. brain the only way writing happens is by copying someone else. Fallout 4 copied Fallout N.V. and was a much better game than Fallout 3 for it.
its really weird how Fallout 3, despite being a better game and an overall better experience than NV, has a much smaller modding community
Surely it must mean that NV is such a shit game its unplayble without mods, hence there are so many people making mods for it
GFWL killed FO3's playability for what is growing close to a decade, FO3 had a shittier under-the-hood for modding, TTW gives people FO3 in a framework that's a lot easier to frick around wtih via NV's GECK and just how much troons have thoroughly ripped the code apart, and also it's just not fun enough to warrant extending or augmenting play with mods on its own. A similar problem just happened to Starfield lmao.
>get told that hundreds or even thousands of people routinely make their way to new vegas along the caravan routes from the NCR, all passing through the mojave outpost >go there >pre-war wrecks litter and clog up the road both inside and immediately outside the outpost >giant frick off moronic statue that would have required heavy machinery to build has wrecks at its base and all around it >no infrastructure at all beyond some barely covered space for people to sleep on cardboard sheets in >roads that should have been regularly used aren't patrolled, aren't kept safe, aren't cleaned of wrecks, and don't have signs of anyone having used them since the bombs fell >get to New Vegas itself >less than a dozen casino patrons wandering around outside >barely anybody else inside any of the casinos >new vegas relies entirely on outside patronage for money to buy supplies, food, and water with as it has no infrastructure of its own >a city state that controls literally nothing outside of its central core district
10/10 RPG of the year greatest storytelling of the generation
Can someone please explain to me why everyone says New Vegas is a troony game? There is no content even related to it. The game came out in 2010 way before any identity politics bullshit
Online troons basically just claimed it as their own, those who don't like NV ran with it.
The more curious case is calling fallout 3 fanboys pajeets, because fallout 3 is literally banned in india. I guess it's just general anti-bethesda-fanboys stuff getting mixxed in.
Gamers have high rates of autism, so do trans
So them "claiming it" is just them making a game they loved before transitioning a part of their personality.
I prefer NV, but that's my subjective preference and not a value judgement of one vs the other. Even before the internet crystalized this faux dialectic discourse and established each game's position on either side of it, I played FO3 once and FNV 3-5 times back when they both first came out for the Xbox, just off which I personally liked better.
Fallout 3 >200 years after a nuclear war destroyed the world >DC is still largely intact including the White House, capitol, pentagon, Jefferson memorial, and even fricking Washington monument.
Makes total sense!
Bejing since the war was against the Chinese.
Fo3 just doesn't make much sense why does anyone live in the DC wasteland? their is no farms or industry anywhere in that region the only export the entire map seems to have is Slaves to go to places like the Pitt
honestly I think I like 3 better, it's just the dogshit intro that filters me everytime.
NV has better guns, characters, and world building, but I like the map and atmosphere better in 3 (which is really all I care about since the gameplay is almost the same)
Prefer exploring in 3, prefer pretty much everything else in NV. New Vegas has the issue where lots of locations only exist for the sake of a one-off quest and nothing else, which makes exploring proactively feel kinda weird. It's not ALWAYS true, but it's true often enough to kill the vibe every now and then. Writing, storytelling, combat, and character building are all leagues better though
>playing Fallout 1, chose Albert Cole the high CHA/speech guy >do the save Tandi from the Khans stuff, kill everyone >it was hard as frick, had to reload after every shot hoping for criticals >google if i missed anything on that zone >turns out i could've just speech'd them up into releasing Tandi
Frick...
Can anyone recommend me a good FO3 or New Vegas playthrough on youtube or twitch? I've played 3 and NV to death so I can only experience them for the first time again vicariously through another person. I only watch like two streamers and neither has done Fallout.
Alright homosexual, I'll bite. Explain it. Bethesda buys the IP, revives it from the dead, and it does so well a spin-off gets funded and squeezed out by Obsidian in eighteen months. Explain your shit bait, homosexual. Where's NV without 3? What would you have instead? That pathetic Van Buren cancer? have a nice day, stinkditch.
It could, but also it could have progressed even if black isle sold the ip, since the game actually looked like it was ahead in development, nearly finished. The first thing bethesda did was to apply their tes formula and destroy the ip soul.
>Fallout 3 is better than you think >Fallout 3 isn't better than you think >Fallout New Vegas is an absolute disaster >Fallout New Vegas is not an absolute disaster
I genuinely hate both sides now, i like both games a lot but the fans are massive fricking gays.
>fans
There's only Fallout fans and non-Fallout fans. You just have to ask them one question to find out. And that is "Which Fallout game did you play first?"
The purifier gives CLEAN water you idiot, most water is irradiated
Also, are you really trying to pull gameplay as a valid point?
Do you think there's only 400 or so people in Nevada too?
5 months ago
Anonymous
I agree. If they just extract the mechanical parts from Mr. Handy, they can easily build water purifiers to fix all the problems in Fallout 3. They won't even need a G.E.C.K.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Did you miss the part where those purifier are like 1/100 the size of the Fallout 3 purifier?
It's a project to give purified water to EVERYONE
5 months ago
Anonymous
>provides water for 40 settlers
Then just build more? How many settlements are there in Fallout 4? I forget but I'm sure Preston Garvey has the exact number somewhere.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>40 settlers
You're conflating gameplay with story again.
5 months ago
Anonymous
There are also hundreds of Mr. Handys around.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Is purifier going to purifiy all the water on Earth eventually?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Probably just D.C and the surrounding locations
Also, de we know what canonically happened to Harold?
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Probably just D.C and the surrounding locations
asking because big bodies of water have those pesky things called "currents"
LMAO at all the Fallout 3tards defending their terrible casual choices. Just admit you made a mistake and bought the game by accident and all is forgiven. Don't defend it because it just makes you look dumb.
lmao you gays are so contrarian that you're actually forcing yourself to believe 3 is a good game
it's maybe the worst written triple A game I've ever played, and that's saying something
I've played enough F3 to last a lifetime but I enjoy FNV more the QOL improvements. Spent way too many hours trying to get weapon modding kits, survival mechanics and iron sights to work in that game.
I love how this guy just keeps talking about the water purifier shit but ignores the fact that the workbench makes acquiring the G.E.C.K. completely obsolete. And workbenches are everywhere.
I like 3 for what it did to the series and made it a comfy exploration single player, NV biggest strength was the minor quality of life improvements over 3. Looking back on 200 hours in NV I can't say the faction wars was an exciting part of the game just a list of things to do I just stick with house and go cleaning up the strip cause I didn't care for the details between legion and NCR wars. Fallout 4 was at its prime up through fighting kellogg, and I find 76 was great for its sense of loneliness and discovering tapes with small NPC interaction here and there. I don't think the fallout series should bother with over involved stories like NV had or try to rube goldberg some plots like 3 and its water project or 4 and the factions. I think if bethesda does make a fallout 5 it should be simple like 76 with a lot of solo exploration and smaller quest experiences. Hell, maybe 76 is the right direction for this franchise after all if bethesda cared more about it and not treat it as a cash cow machine.
I played it with a friend for about a week, it's...fine. The world was super uninteresting so once I got used to the progression loop we both just got bored and stopped playing. Exploring in fallout is fun because you constantly come upon weird factions, fun quests, new companions, etc. 76 doesn't really have those in a meaningful way so it just becomes a looting, basebuilding and crafting sim.
bethesda should go all in with miscellaneous quests. my best memory of fallout 4 was playing on survival mode doing a misc quest for the brotherhood to get some pre-war tech from a location. exiting the prydwen and jumping on a vertibird taking me to the location and jumping off with full power armor blasting through enemies at the place, then acquiring the tech and tossing a flare to get the vertibird to pick me up and take me back to base. it was really immersive
>bethesda should
They should give it to another developer so we can go back to a traditional isometric turn-based RPG with skills, perks, traits, multiple dialogue options, multiple solutions to solve quests, faction reactions, meaningful choices and consequences, gambling, prostitution, and no fast travel
i said that because bethesda has leaned into misc. quests quite a lot. i think its intriguing and should be expanded upon since it ties in well with the exploration, faction and dungeon crawling aspect of their games
>faction reactions
This always felt overrated to me
Unless you purposefully go out of your way to be a contrarian(AKA Legion playthrough) you will always end up with the same reputation, leading to the same reactions every time.
Fallout 3 is the better Bethesda game, New Vegas is the better RPG. They're both very good games on their own rights, but it really depends on what you value as a player.
Only a disingenious homosexual would even utter this shit, or a clueless moron. NV is vastly superior in everything 3 does, everthing. There's nothing good about F3.
They aren't, perks are totally overhauled as are skill checks and they added a companion system that didn't involve you reverse pickpocketing your companion to give them items. It's just the same engine. Fallout 3 could've been good but it wasn't because of shit writing and shit perks and skill system, you become a god at everything like in every Bethesda game
full game size fo2 mods by russian autist pretty much on par with classics.
Music is also Franks quality >https://nobodysnailmachine.bandcamp.com/album/fallout-nevada-soundtrack
Playing Outer Worlds and PoE made me realize Obsidian were a buncha hacks. I don't know why trannies on Ganker dickride NV when it's just as shitty as those games.
fallout 3 had better map, better story, better atmosphere, incredible DLC (loved all of them), and was just more fun over all.
NV had a dull, flat map. little to no verticality, density, or depth to it. none of the vaults were as interesting as the ones in 3. the DLC was utterly dull, gimmicky, and forgettable. I didn't care for any of the factions or characters.
the only thing NV had over F3 is iron sights aiming. it's really hard to go back to F3 without it, but other than that, NV felt like a fan made mod to F3.
>fallout 3 had better map
Metro stations are dogshit, uninspired and filled with nothing but boring garbage. >better story
It's shitty and inconsistent like every single Bethesda story. Unkillable NPCs, moronic ending, way too linear progression, just awful. >better atmosphere >dude... greeen
Nuh-uh, it's not a believable world. You will never be able to immerse yourself in it because it just sucks dick. >incredible DLC
Ok now you're trolling. >and was just more fun over all.
Only if you like dogshit.
>NV had a dull, flat map.
NV had a more believable, immersive map that was true to its predecessors. Great findings are almost everywhere. >little to no verticality, density, or depth to it.
Imagine saying this while defending F3... >none of the vaults were as interesting as the ones in 3. >dude, teh clones >dude do you remember GECK, haha
Absolute dogshit. >the DLC was utterly dull
OWB shits on everything F3 put out, Sierra Madre is a much more interesting location than anything F3 has. >gimmicky
Meanwhile you literally have a shitty chink killing simulator in F3 lmao >forgettable
I wonder how many people remember Point Lookout... not very I assume. >I didn't care for any of the factions or characters.
Because you have shit taste. You like braindead linear stories where you can only play the way Bethesda made you to play. It's pathetic. No wonder your kind also loves Starfield.
3 obviously, it just has more interesting stuff to find. There's also an abundance of resources in New Vegas that really doesn't fit the Fallout setting or even the genre and that just makes it feel like such a dogshit game, the devs seemed to have put theory thought into actual game design.
Fallout 2 is fricking dogshit. A lot of people suck up to it because they live under the misconception that Fallout 1 and 2 were made by the same people. But it's really just a poor imitation that did a lot of things worse than the first game.
Black person what? The entirety of Washington is full of it. You cannot progress without going through them.
>The entirety of Washington is full of it.
Not really, there's like two or three that you ever have to enter.
>it just has more interesting stuff to find.
I dunno where does this even come from.
Probably from the fact that it does. New Vegas just doesn't have that much to offer outside of what you're going to discover through the story.
>you don't have to enter most of these to progress.
Did you even play the game you're sucking off here?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, did you? You really only have to enter the one with the ghouls and the one with the Brotherhood. All of them combined are still only a small fraction of the game.
5 months ago
Anonymous
You have to enter all of them because your way is constantly blocked with debris. You'll lose your way constantly because Toddler can't design a game for shit.
5 months ago
Anonymous
There's a lot more to the game than the interior of DC. I barely spent any time there.
5 months ago
Anonymous
So you just skip the main story? Makes sense.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Just like how NV players brag about skipping 70% of the game by stealthing past the deathclaws.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Just like how NV players brag about skipping 70% of the game by stealthing past the deathclaws.
Nope. Our game is good compared to your barebones dogshit.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Lmao in your dreams troony, in 3 you blow up Megaton meanwhile what do you do in NV, shoot up 3 powdered gangers and some geckosr? Pfftt NV troons are laughably pathetic.
5 months ago
Anonymous
You only have to go through the two aforementioned tunnels in the main story. The main story is short as frick anyway, which is a good thing.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>it's a good thing that the main story is dogshit
I know anon. Still, those places have no reason to exist. They're tedious, badly designed and just exist to waste your time.
Lmao in your dreams troony, in 3 you blow up Megaton meanwhile what do you do in NV, shoot up 3 powdered gangers and some geckosr? Pfftt NV troons are laughably pathetic.
Why are all Toddlergays such ESLs? And why do troons live in your head rent free? Either way, F3 is putrid dogshit.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>They're tedious, badly designed and just exist to waste your time.
If you suck maybe. Other than the first one when you're still under equipped they're not a problem at all.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>If you suck maybe
No, Todd sucks. His games are dogshit. >Other than the first one when you're still under equipped they're not a problem at all.
All of them are badly-designed Oblivion dungeons.
>has to pivot and change the subject to some random gay's mod bullshit
cope, seethe, gain height, dilate, touch grass, grow as a person, take a shower, and get a clue
I'm straight, maybe try calling me a mick or something :^)
5 months ago
Anonymous
You play Troon Vegas so I seriously doubt that.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Isn't it tiring to change your likes depending on what like 50 random twitter trannies think? I enjoy things because they are good, not because of what some permanently online gays spam 10 years later. There's still time to enjoy life, anon.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not joining your discord, NV troon.
5 months ago
Anonymous
It's like talking with a brick wall. Later gay, enjoy dying a miserable wretch in the culture war.
New Vegas doesn't succeed as a sequel to FO3, but also FONV is doesn't succeed as being a follow up to FO2. New Vegas feels like it's trying to combine both the changes and the 3D aspect of 3 and the RPG and quest structure of 2 and it doesn't produce results as good as those two games. Still NV is the one I replay the most because of the variety of character builds
Nah, 2 is better than NV. The gameplay is a lot more difficult in 2, in fact, NV being easy even on Very Hard Hardcore ruined the atmosphere which was already worse than 2 and 3. Quests in 2 had different outcomes besides success or fail, like with the family quest in 2. I was more interested in the characters and story of 2 than NV. Resource management in 2 and 3 were handled significantly better, 2 and 3 had the better world structure and environments than NV, etc. the list could go on for me. Compared to 1, I haven't played 1 in ages but I feel like if I were to replay 1, it would still be better than NV. Again, I think the only thing NV has over any other FO games is build variety and factions, but even then, once you experience all 4 factions, you don't really consciously care about which one you pick every playthrough afterwards, where as picking a different build changes how you play the game significantly
>Resource management in 2 and 3 were handled significantly better, 2 and 3 had the better world structure and environments than NV, etc.
LMAO nice try pajeet. F3 will never be good at anything it tries no matter what you utter here.
>F3 will never be good at anything it tries no matter what you utter here.
Glad to see you didn't respond anything about the atmosphere being better in 3 or the difficulty in 3 being higher than NV. So it's not only good but it's better at certain aspects than what NV accomplishes, NVgay :^)
Atmosphere is not better however >dude you get it? It's green because... because of radiation LMAO >diffiiculty
Artificial difficulty where you just make your enemies' health bigger is not even good. Either way, you become a god by level 20, which sucks.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>you become a god by level 20, which sucks.
It's like that for every FO game, except NV where I felt overpowered by Level 7 or 8 and it keeps snowballing. Also: >dude you get? it's piss filter because... because it's a desert LMAO
Stop being a fricking Black person, there's more to atmosphere than what fricking tint a game uses, and no NVgay has ever provided any reasoning to why their game atmosphere is better than 3 other than spouting off the same word for word talking points as some fricking furry breadtuber or whatever
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Cannot under any circumstance max out every skill to 100 and all attributes to 10 in NV >Can easily do so in Fallout 3 with minimal effort
Fallout NV is the harder game and far well more balanced.
5 months ago
Anonymous
it's not but you do you
5 months ago
Anonymous
>except NV where I felt overpowered by Level 7 or 8 and it keeps snowballing.
It's so clear that you haven't even played the game.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I have the most hours in NV than any FO game because of the one aspect that is better than any other FO game, which is the variety of builds. Get it through your thick fricking skull. NV is a good game, it's not better than 2 or 3, frick off
5 months ago
Anonymous
>NV is a good game, it's not better than 2 or 3, frick off
See
Depends on my mood. I think NV is the better game but there's a lot about 3 that appeals to me more. I also think the constant shitslinging between 3 and NV fans is dumb. Far, far too much in common between the two to truly hate one and love another. If you have to dump on a Fallout, 4 is the one with almost zero redeeming qualities.
>Quests
fallout nv i mean come on its just better >exploration
fallout 3 way more cool places to explore than house,cave and new vegas strip >companions
NV perks and actual character depth but i will miss my 8k hp laser Gatling gun wielding boi fawkes even if he does frick you over in the base game >combat
Fallout nv combat is just better and the armor system is better as well >DLCs
fallout 3 wins even though it has two bad dlcs and one that shouldve been base game its still better than the addons for NV >Story
Fallout 3 because i can actually play after the ending if you could do that with NV than nv hands down with the house ending >perks
fallout nv had better perks it did nerf some like reapers sprint but eh still better overall >radio
i liked 3 dog more than mr new vegas and i can listen to every fallout 3 song where as i switch the radio station on some nv and sometimes off when it plays both >replayability
nv way more endings somehow beating todd "200 endings so far" howard and build variety >RPG mech-its new vegas we all know it
but my issue is that new vegas has a hard skill cap requirement for certain dialogue actions when i think they shouldve just combined the chance mechanic of 3. i.e barter 10/20 turns into barter 50% chance with a doubled penalty on failed if you have 20 barter its 100% >Doesnt force me to learn caravan
OH NONONO NVSISTERS WHAT HAPPENED also the 2 bad dlc's i mentioned are "point lookout that hillbilly does 600 damage because of oblivion difficulty" and "the pitt of bad writing where power armor doesnt stop someone from knocking you out" mother ship zeta and operation Anchorage are fun dlcs that do cool things and give out end game rewards fricking pitt and point lookout gives jack shit except a minor chance to not get critted oh boy thats worth the slog of that fricking dlc
Both games have good and bad but i prefer to stare at blueish green for 8 horus rather than bright orange so 3 wins in the end
my example would still have proper skill checks but also give you a chance to succeed if you are close enough to match it. Honestly one of the better parts of fallout 3 is having the option to lose a speech check even if you have 100 because the most you can get is like an 85% think like rolling a nat 1 on a d20. Man if only there was another game that did something like that i could point towards as being objectively good winning some kind of yearly award for good games. oh well none come to mind you win this internet argument
Who in their right mind would ever think Fallout 3 had a good story at all, much less superior to New Vegas? At best, it is a cliched railroad of stereotypes with hilariously basic black/white morality choices that pretends to be deep even though every metaphor's as shallow as puddle, and at worst it's an insulting mess filled with more plot holes and forced stupidity.
New Vegas starts as a simple but effective tale of either revenge/duty (whether you feel more for killing Benny or getting the chip back) that crescendos into a four way battle of intrigue for dominance of the region with four unique factions/outcomes with varying compelling arguments for all of them with various outcomes, not just for those four factions but the multiple of minor factions involved.
fallout 3 for the atmosphere, it felt bleak and lonely while NV feels like a goofy ass cartoon.
i can see why troons preffer the latter.
"Fallout 3 has a great atmosphere" might be one of the greatest lies in gaming history. It's incoherent and inconsistent because Bethesda couldn't settle on a singular aesthetic and instead tossed a bunch of wacky B-Movie scenarios into the world.
The only thing that 3 did much better than NV in terms of atmosphere and worldbuilding is the random encounters but it's weird they weren't included in NV in the first place since that's a staple in Fallout games.
I don't think there's anything "wrong" with the atmosphere necessarily. I just think that the execution for quests and storylines are half-baked, and that drags the "feel" down a lot. But New Vegas' atmosphere will always be vastly better in execution, no matter how hard 3gays cry.
3 is the better game
Fallout 3 is the actual fun game with a cool map and neat quests and fun survival while NV is the pseudo-intellectual mod-tier game that trans youtubers overhyped so normies treat it like gold
There is no survival in FO3
>NV is the pseudo-intellectual mod-tier game that trans youtubers overhyped so normies treat it like gold
Go outside
Fallout 3 bros unite
New vegas is the better game, 3 has better dlcs
the main story for 3 and 4 are both crap any random moron on Ganker could write something better
>3 has better dlcs
wat
anchorage and mothership zeta are both dookie dogshit
The Pit and Point Lookout are better than the NV DLCs
lol
this
LMAO they're both dogshit.
Yeah okay buddy I bet you think listening to an audiobook by Joshua Grahamcrackers is way better? You're a frickin homosexual that's what I say.
Yep, way better than anything you'll get out of Fallout 3.
Sure pal, you shoot those little bottles with your bb gun then come back and talk to me troony homosexual.
You're clearly just shitposting for (you)s now
Just because I say the game is shit I'm shitposting? Get a grip NV troony
Dude every single person shits on F3. You don't want to die on this hill. F3 is a dogshit game through and through and no amount of crying about your boogeyman will ever change that.
Other than the writing and adding iron sights to guns, 3 is better than NV in every other aspect
>other than the writing
only the most important thing then
name 5 games with better world building and quest design than new vegas
only moronic contrarians and/or people who find fallout 3 more nostalgic prefer it. New Vegas has much more content and much better world building with thought put into it and how people live. It has immeasurably better writing and quest design with multiple options and branching. The only thought put into Fallout 3 is along the lines of 'DUDE WHAT IF WE HAD A TOWN FULL OF ONLY LITTLE KIDS? XD' it has no coherency and is just a moronic theme park. There is no aspect of Fallout 3 that is better.
Best review of Fallout 3 btw: https://web.archive.org/web/20081202033348/http://www.nma-fallout.com/article.php?id=47347
>Writing
>Most important thing
You realize we're talking about videogames here, right?
You do know F3 prides itself with its writing and RPG mechanics, right?
I would frick Fallout 3 but marry New Vegas
Exploration in Fallout 3
>If you are lucky: a skill magazine, a nuka-cola quantum, or a less-frequent weapon (Chinese assault rifle/Combat shotgun)
>If you are very lucky: a bobblehead
>Most locations are rather empty
>Hardly any NPC's, or lore, or points of interest in the majority of locations
Exploration in New Vegas
>Higher novelty of finding weapons (there are much more weapons in the game, with a larger variety inherently)
>Higher novelty of finding unique weapons (which again, are more frequent and better executed throughout)
>Better use for discovering misc items (there is a system for crafting for drugs, food, explosives, ammo, quests, and weapons - F3 only had a few weapons)
>Finding bottle caps/items matters more, because there is much more to purchase/sell in the game
>Finding ammo is more interesting because there are more variations (ie, different ammo types, as well as spare parts)
>finding water and food matters more because of hardcore mode
>There are more enemies by default (+humans carry more varied weapons and equipment)
>Plenty of locations are tied to quests or NPC's, or at the very least have an interesting personality
New Vegas is simply multiple steps beyond what 3 offered.
I am going to say a phrase that is going to kill your argument and send you into an apoplectic fit.
Environmental storytelling.
With that the debate is over. Fallout 3 wins.
>Ah yes Raj, use apoplectic in your next post. That will throw those damn whites off our dirty ESL trail
I see you realized I was correct and chose not to fight back on the point I made.
>Environmental storytelling.
skeletons fricking
>Finding bottle caps/items matters more, because there is much more to purchase/sell in the game
Not when you can very easily get tens of thousands of caps from the casinos in New vegas and get handed game breaking gear from every dlc
Not to mention you can just kill the guards behind the gun runners and sell their armor for thousands of caps
In fo3 stimpaks and ammo were actually pretty rare in early game so scavenging was very necessary. In Nv everybody hands you guns and ammo at every turn so you never really have a need for anything. Shit, you get 200 rounds and a service rifle for killing 5 ants at the Mojave outpost. You get 5 stimpaks for smiling at the doc
Also you forgot about weapon schematics in 3
>finding water and food matters more because of hardcore mode
Lmao no it doesn't
You can still fast travel in hardcore mode so you can always go back to goodsprings for clean drinking water and food is fricking everywhere. Nv hardcore mode is a joke, fo4 was the first one to get it right
this
but also this to an extent, the lack of weapons and armor in fallout 3 makes exploring very boring. if the map was half as big and had half as many locations it wouldn't matter. also enemy variety is extremely lacking in f3
Why did Fallout 3 suddenly introduce the idea that every human enemy had to drop their armor when you killed them? This never happened in the original games because you needed to buy them.
They did, you were just moronic and never checked
Then why don't I have 15+ suits of advanced power armor?
Why would you need to have 15+ suits of advanced power armor?
3 as I'm not trans
New Vegas is better as a RPG. Because it's become popular and somehow trannies speak about it, contrarian Black folk here dick suck 3.
Play them both again and you will see lol or do tale of two wastelands for some improvements in 3
Too bad there isn't a Tale of Two Wastelands mod that can make Fallout 3's writing make any sense
Choices in New Vegas
>In the first real quest of the game (Ghost Town Gunfight) the are skill checks for bartering, speech, explosives, medicine, and science. Needless to say, there are countless more in the game, and there are some for reputation, SPECIAL, and perks also.
Choices in Fallout 3
>There are rarely skill checks for dialogue in most of the game, outside of occasionally appearing for speech
I much prefer New Vegas's approach. It has a lot more depth and scope.
New Vegas
>Every single npc in the game is killable, with the exception of Yes Man
Fallout 3
>Certain NPC's are marked as unkillable, because they are required for the main quests more strictly
I prefer New Vegas's line of thinking more. More freedom and choices is fun. I admire that the designers had the wit and passion to go in this direction.
If Fallout 3 is a 4/10, New Vegas is a like 6/10, maybe 6.5 at best. New Vegas offers marginal improvements over 3 but still has significant issues in world building, quest design, character builds, and the in-game economy.
Only moronic ESL's and homosexual trannies who don't understand coherent narrative prefer 3 to New Vegas.
3 has a vastly superior atmosphere and random encounters make the world much more unpredictable
Knowing the location of every enemy on the map and exactly what happens on every stretch of road kinda kills nv replay value imo
>Ganker hating new vegas now because it's associated with the troon boogeyman
This board is lost to the troony schizo plague
Oh well.
>do literally anything in new vegas
>crash
No I will not install FAN PATCHES to play this trash game. If FO3 works why doesn't NV?
Isn't fallout 3 the game you have to download something just so you can play because of games for windows live being dead
Fallout 3 is the game where you need to buy the DLC to get the common sense ending.
Perks in New Vegas
>Most of them are bonuses that purposely effect specific weapons, enemies, builds, specials. This is good because it puts and emphasis on variety (example: cowboy, grunt, demolition expert, shotgun surgeon, and stay back, stonewall, hit the deck, unstoppable force, etc.)
Perks in Fallout 3
>A large amount of perks only increase skill points ...Which is a pretty underwhelming reward, since levelling up already increases your skills (example: gun nut, little leaguer, thief, scoundrel, size matters, etc.)
New Vegas was a really big jump in the fun and options departments.
You only got perks every two levels in NV.
That is moronic. Why give out half levels?
It's 3 levels in FO1 and 2. New Vegas is just closer to the originals, and offers a better selection, too.
> It's ok that NV was stupid because the originals were really stupid.
Is that your final answer?
My final answer is that what you consider stupid is actually subjective.
Objectively gaining a perk per level is better than gaining a perk every two levels.
I disagree.
Its annoying at first but you are basically OP by level 20 anyway
Just spam the speech check in the starter town to hit max level to fix that oversight.
Amazing voice acting in New Vegas
>Benny
>Victor
>Vulpes
>Boone
>Arcade Gannon
>Yes Man
>Mr. House
>Caesar
>Chief Hanlon
>Legate Lanius
>Mr. New Vegas
>Father Elijah
>Joshua Graham
>The Think Tank
>Ulysses
Amazing voice acting in Fallout 3
>...
>...
>...
New Vegas was a vast improvement.
>benny
Wayne Newton mailed it in. AI Wayne Newton would have given a better performance.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Malcolm McDowell was great in 3.
its actually pretty easy
If 1 - FONV
If 5 - FO3
3 has a better atmosphere and a better evil playthrough while New Vegas has better everything else.
the evil playthrough in fo3 is 90% the same as the good playthrough. In NV you literally join a different faction which drastically affects the world and the main storyline.
Fallout 3's music
>It is a lot more gaudy and triumphant, which is a departure from the darker ambient of the past games
>It has been speculated that Inon Zur repurposed some tracks from his previous works such as Crysis
New Vegas's music
>Higher focus on ambience and slower tempos
>Tracks feel like they are purposely built for the themes of the game (see: "No Rest for These Bones" or "Not My Vault")
New Vegas had excellent music that very much elevated the already-fantastic atmosphere of the game.
Dropped both because the gameplay is so fricking boring, none of Bethesda's games are any good
Writing in New Vegas
>One of the greatest and most ambitious stories in video game history. The characters and setting have and incredible level of depth and personality.
Writing in Fallout 3
>Generally pretty average characters and premises. The story also decided to gratuitously re-use parts from 1 and 2, in a way that fans have called hacky and unconvincing.
New Vegas truly felt like a pitch-perfect passion project.
>zoomers are already getting nostalgic for 3
lmao
>DA ZOOOOMERRS
Can you knock it off with this nonsense? It's squarely a millennial game.
already found one
who wrote this shit? emil?
at least they realized how absolutely moronic it was and fixed it
I didn't play FO3 until the GOTY edition so this was a non-issue for me
Is Emil's writing in Fallout 3 worse than Fallout 4? I can't tell sometimes.
Yes. In Emil's magical 85 I.Q. brain the only way writing happens is by copying someone else. Fallout 4 copied Fallout N.V. and was a much better game than Fallout 3 for it.
its really weird how Fallout 3, despite being a better game and an overall better experience than NV, has a much smaller modding community
Surely it must mean that NV is such a shit game its unplayble without mods, hence there are so many people making mods for it
Or that it barely works on PC and noone could be fricking bothered with it
>a better game and an overall better experience
NV is literally just 3 but made into something a Fallout fan could stomach, have a nice day.
GFWL killed FO3's playability for what is growing close to a decade, FO3 had a shittier under-the-hood for modding, TTW gives people FO3 in a framework that's a lot easier to frick around wtih via NV's GECK and just how much troons have thoroughly ripped the code apart, and also it's just not fun enough to warrant extending or augmenting play with mods on its own. A similar problem just happened to Starfield lmao.
>GFWL killed FO3's playability
didnt they patch this last year?
>get told that hundreds or even thousands of people routinely make their way to new vegas along the caravan routes from the NCR, all passing through the mojave outpost
>go there
>pre-war wrecks litter and clog up the road both inside and immediately outside the outpost
>giant frick off moronic statue that would have required heavy machinery to build has wrecks at its base and all around it
>no infrastructure at all beyond some barely covered space for people to sleep on cardboard sheets in
>roads that should have been regularly used aren't patrolled, aren't kept safe, aren't cleaned of wrecks, and don't have signs of anyone having used them since the bombs fell
>get to New Vegas itself
>less than a dozen casino patrons wandering around outside
>barely anybody else inside any of the casinos
>new vegas relies entirely on outside patronage for money to buy supplies, food, and water with as it has no infrastructure of its own
>a city state that controls literally nothing outside of its central core district
10/10 RPG of the year greatest storytelling of the generation
Yes New Vegas doesn't have good storytelling no matter how much the Obsidiandrones praises it.
Can someone please explain to me why everyone says New Vegas is a troony game? There is no content even related to it. The game came out in 2010 way before any identity politics bullshit
People who spend too much time on 4cha unironically get mindbroken by a virus and obsess over troonys/jews
Online troons basically just claimed it as their own, those who don't like NV ran with it.
The more curious case is calling fallout 3 fanboys pajeets, because fallout 3 is literally banned in india. I guess it's just general anti-bethesda-fanboys stuff getting mixxed in.
But why did they "claim" it? Seems random
Gamers have high rates of autism, so do trans
So them "claiming it" is just them making a game they loved before transitioning a part of their personality.
I prefer NV, but that's my subjective preference and not a value judgement of one vs the other. Even before the internet crystalized this faux dialectic discourse and established each game's position on either side of it, I played FO3 once and FNV 3-5 times back when they both first came out for the Xbox, just off which I personally liked better.
Fallout 3
>200 years after a nuclear war destroyed the world
>DC is still largely intact including the White House, capitol, pentagon, Jefferson memorial, and even fricking Washington monument.
Makes total sense!
The White House is obliterated in FO3.
Well that’s how the whole city should have been. It would have been the most nuked place in the world after Moscow
Bejing since the war was against the Chinese.
Fo3 just doesn't make much sense why does anyone live in the DC wasteland? their is no farms or industry anywhere in that region the only export the entire map seems to have is Slaves to go to places like the Pitt
Fallout 3 has better exploration and atmosphere
New Vegas has better weapon variety
They both suck dick due to the garbage engine they are on.
>Fallout 3 has better exploration and atmosphere
No, it absolutely does not.
3 for the atmosphere NV for the story. Either way just play TTW for the best of both worlds
New Vegas. But it's still too buggy I couldn't complete my 2023 playthrough. I'm done with the Oblivion FO3 NV engine.
Skill issue
Fallout 3 is the best
I don't like walking sims.
I love Fallout 3.
Fallout 2 and Brotherhood.
honestly I think I like 3 better, it's just the dogshit intro that filters me everytime.
NV has better guns, characters, and world building, but I like the map and atmosphere better in 3 (which is really all I care about since the gameplay is almost the same)
I like both, but NV is better. It's basically the same but more and better. Unlike Fallout 1 and 2 where 2 is just more but worse.
Prefer exploring in 3, prefer pretty much everything else in NV. New Vegas has the issue where lots of locations only exist for the sake of a one-off quest and nothing else, which makes exploring proactively feel kinda weird. It's not ALWAYS true, but it's true often enough to kill the vibe every now and then. Writing, storytelling, combat, and character building are all leagues better though
>Prefer exploring in 3
ah yes finding the same 10 items and enemies everywhere in HUNDREDS of locations that are very similar real fun of course
fallout 3 is the better game. obsidian is too jank.
neither
because they are both bad games
>playing Fallout 1, chose Albert Cole the high CHA/speech guy
>do the save Tandi from the Khans stuff, kill everyone
>it was hard as frick, had to reload after every shot hoping for criticals
>google if i missed anything on that zone
>turns out i could've just speech'd them up into releasing Tandi
Frick...
Can anyone recommend me a good FO3 or New Vegas playthrough on youtube or twitch? I've played 3 and NV to death so I can only experience them for the first time again vicariously through another person. I only watch like two streamers and neither has done Fallout.
For me, it’s New Vegas
FONV has lgbt shit and FO3 doesnt
There is no NV without 3.
Yes, there is.
Alright homosexual, I'll bite. Explain it. Bethesda buys the IP, revives it from the dead, and it does so well a spin-off gets funded and squeezed out by Obsidian in eighteen months. Explain your shit bait, homosexual. Where's NV without 3? What would you have instead? That pathetic Van Buren cancer? have a nice day, stinkditch.
There is no Fakeout 3 if Black Isle didn't sell the Fallout IP to Zenimax
Yeah, it would be Van Buren, and we wouldnt have shitty fallout 4 nor a zoomer liveaction series for redditors.
Van Buren would've probably gotten canceled anyway
It could, but also it could have progressed even if black isle sold the ip, since the game actually looked like it was ahead in development, nearly finished. The first thing bethesda did was to apply their tes formula and destroy the ip soul.
New Vegas. Though I like 3 almost as much, and it does some things better.
>Fallout 3 is bad
>why
>8+ hour video explaining why
>Fallout 3 is better than you think
>Fallout 3 isn't better than you think
>Fallout New Vegas is an absolute disaster
>Fallout New Vegas is not an absolute disaster
I genuinely hate both sides now, i like both games a lot but the fans are massive fricking gays.
>fans
There's only Fallout fans and non-Fallout fans. You just have to ask them one question to find out. And that is "Which Fallout game did you play first?"
Nah, all Fallout games are valid.
Wrong.
The purifier gives CLEAN water you idiot, most water is irradiated
Also, are you really trying to pull gameplay as a valid point?
Do you think there's only 400 or so people in Nevada too?
I agree. If they just extract the mechanical parts from Mr. Handy, they can easily build water purifiers to fix all the problems in Fallout 3. They won't even need a G.E.C.K.
Did you miss the part where those purifier are like 1/100 the size of the Fallout 3 purifier?
It's a project to give purified water to EVERYONE
>provides water for 40 settlers
Then just build more? How many settlements are there in Fallout 4? I forget but I'm sure Preston Garvey has the exact number somewhere.
>40 settlers
You're conflating gameplay with story again.
There are also hundreds of Mr. Handys around.
Is purifier going to purifiy all the water on Earth eventually?
Probably just D.C and the surrounding locations
Also, de we know what canonically happened to Harold?
>Probably just D.C and the surrounding locations
asking because big bodies of water have those pesky things called "currents"
1 after I saw pre-release screenshots of 3 on gurochan and wanted to play the first two before the new one came out.
Exploration = 3. Everything else = New Vegas.
>Exploration
lol, lmao even
You literally go to D.C. and that's it.
both
I like the world of FO3 better, but New Vegas story and writting were light years better than anything Slopthesda has done.
Is it true Black Isle ruined their chance of still owning Fallout as an IP?
Yes. They made Fallout: BoS and even wanted to make a sequel out of that shit.
BIS was the developer, Interplay was the publisher and the decisions on where to take the franchise were with Interplay.
LMAO at all the Fallout 3tards defending their terrible casual choices. Just admit you made a mistake and bought the game by accident and all is forgiven. Don't defend it because it just makes you look dumb.
Go romance some gays in new gayas, gay
I accept your concession.
I agree. Fallout 3 is indeed a shit game that nobody should defend.
lmao you gays are so contrarian that you're actually forcing yourself to believe 3 is a good game
it's maybe the worst written triple A game I've ever played, and that's saying something
I've played enough F3 to last a lifetime but I enjoy FNV more the QOL improvements. Spent way too many hours trying to get weapon modding kits, survival mechanics and iron sights to work in that game.
I'm probably the best New Vegas player on Earth.
You can't beat me.
Don't even bother to try 😉
Yeah. Fallout 3 has better ambiance, and if I'm trolling around I want the nice backdrop.
I love how this guy just keeps talking about the water purifier shit but ignores the fact that the workbench makes acquiring the G.E.C.K. completely obsolete. And workbenches are everywhere.
Fallout 3 is moodier and more atmospheric but Fallout New Vegas beats it in all other aspects.
I like 3 for what it did to the series and made it a comfy exploration single player, NV biggest strength was the minor quality of life improvements over 3. Looking back on 200 hours in NV I can't say the faction wars was an exciting part of the game just a list of things to do I just stick with house and go cleaning up the strip cause I didn't care for the details between legion and NCR wars. Fallout 4 was at its prime up through fighting kellogg, and I find 76 was great for its sense of loneliness and discovering tapes with small NPC interaction here and there. I don't think the fallout series should bother with over involved stories like NV had or try to rube goldberg some plots like 3 and its water project or 4 and the factions. I think if bethesda does make a fallout 5 it should be simple like 76 with a lot of solo exploration and smaller quest experiences. Hell, maybe 76 is the right direction for this franchise after all if bethesda cared more about it and not treat it as a cash cow machine.
> Hell, maybe 76 is the right direction for this franchise
I've found it
the person with the worst opinions on the planet
Im interested in 76 tbh, heard it's "good" now
Don't know if my pc can run it tho
I played it with a friend for about a week, it's...fine. The world was super uninteresting so once I got used to the progression loop we both just got bored and stopped playing. Exploring in fallout is fun because you constantly come upon weird factions, fun quests, new companions, etc. 76 doesn't really have those in a meaningful way so it just becomes a looting, basebuilding and crafting sim.
Not a Fallout fan. Got it.
bethesda should go all in with miscellaneous quests. my best memory of fallout 4 was playing on survival mode doing a misc quest for the brotherhood to get some pre-war tech from a location. exiting the prydwen and jumping on a vertibird taking me to the location and jumping off with full power armor blasting through enemies at the place, then acquiring the tech and tossing a flare to get the vertibird to pick me up and take me back to base. it was really immersive
>bethesda should
They should give it to another developer so we can go back to a traditional isometric turn-based RPG with skills, perks, traits, multiple dialogue options, multiple solutions to solve quests, faction reactions, meaningful choices and consequences, gambling, prostitution, and no fast travel
i said that because bethesda has leaned into misc. quests quite a lot. i think its intriguing and should be expanded upon since it ties in well with the exploration, faction and dungeon crawling aspect of their games
What they can also do is make their own successful IP and leave Fallout alone. Oh wait they tried that.
im thinking a kenshi-like rpg, more open ended with many roles you can play as. but they don't have the balls to do something like that
>faction reactions
This always felt overrated to me
Unless you purposefully go out of your way to be a contrarian(AKA Legion playthrough) you will always end up with the same reputation, leading to the same reactions every time.
New Vegas is more fun.
Fallout 3 is the better Bethesda game, New Vegas is the better RPG. They're both very good games on their own rights, but it really depends on what you value as a player.
>They're both very good games on their own rights
No, F3 just straight up sucks ass, anon.
If F3 sucks then so does NV since they're the same game.
Only a disingenious homosexual would even utter this shit, or a clueless moron. NV is vastly superior in everything 3 does, everthing. There's nothing good about F3.
They aren't, perks are totally overhauled as are skill checks and they added a companion system that didn't involve you reverse pickpocketing your companion to give them items. It's just the same engine. Fallout 3 could've been good but it wasn't because of shit writing and shit perks and skill system, you become a god at everything like in every Bethesda game
the speech/skill check system alone puts NV 10 miles ahead of 3's dogshit
Of course NV troons would love the speech/skill check system, it's the only time they can convince someone that they're actually a woman.
Maybe if you save and reload enough times, you'll finally be able to convince people you aren't a moron.
3
>Playing Oblivion with guns
>Playing Oblivion with guns, troon expansion pack.
Do neither.
Oblivion is fun
Therefore, Oblivion with guns would be fun too
Yeah if you like eating dog shit.
1>2=NV>Nevada>4>tactics>3
havent played sonora yet but machine translation is pretty good ive heard
what are nevada and sonora?
full game size fo2 mods by russian autist pretty much on par with classics.
Music is also Franks quality
>https://nobodysnailmachine.bandcamp.com/album/fallout-nevada-soundtrack
interesting
rpg autists are the most insufferable video game fans I have ever seen.
I just want fallout 4 with the 3/NV vats system.
What's wrong with Fallout 4 VATS?
I really enjoy the pause and play, stats based v.a.t.s.
The closest I get is the outer worlds but that game is painfully average.
Playing Outer Worlds and PoE made me realize Obsidian were a buncha hacks. I don't know why trannies on Ganker dickride NV when it's just as shitty as those games.
unusable on consolw
Fallout isn't meant to be played on a console
yet the interface was designed with a console
yet vats is a thing
yet the gameplay only makes logical sense on a controller due to how shit it feels
I like the slowmo tbh, made fights more interesting
>Try New Vegas
>Quest to kill 10 geckos
>Go to new town
>Quest to kill 10 fire ants
Wow such riveting quests NV trannies
fallout 3 had better map, better story, better atmosphere, incredible DLC (loved all of them), and was just more fun over all.
NV had a dull, flat map. little to no verticality, density, or depth to it. none of the vaults were as interesting as the ones in 3. the DLC was utterly dull, gimmicky, and forgettable. I didn't care for any of the factions or characters.
the only thing NV had over F3 is iron sights aiming. it's really hard to go back to F3 without it, but other than that, NV felt like a fan made mod to F3.
>fallout 3 had better map
Metro stations are dogshit, uninspired and filled with nothing but boring garbage.
>better story
It's shitty and inconsistent like every single Bethesda story. Unkillable NPCs, moronic ending, way too linear progression, just awful.
>better atmosphere
>dude... greeen
Nuh-uh, it's not a believable world. You will never be able to immerse yourself in it because it just sucks dick.
>incredible DLC
Ok now you're trolling.
>and was just more fun over all.
Only if you like dogshit.
>NV had a dull, flat map.
NV had a more believable, immersive map that was true to its predecessors. Great findings are almost everywhere.
>little to no verticality, density, or depth to it.
Imagine saying this while defending F3...
>none of the vaults were as interesting as the ones in 3.
>dude, teh clones
>dude do you remember GECK, haha
Absolute dogshit.
>the DLC was utterly dull
OWB shits on everything F3 put out, Sierra Madre is a much more interesting location than anything F3 has.
>gimmicky
Meanwhile you literally have a shitty chink killing simulator in F3 lmao
>forgettable
I wonder how many people remember Point Lookout... not very I assume.
>I didn't care for any of the factions or characters.
Because you have shit taste. You like braindead linear stories where you can only play the way Bethesda made you to play. It's pathetic. No wonder your kind also loves Starfield.
>Metro stations
Are like 1% of the game.
Black person what? The entirety of Washington is full of it. You cannot progress without going through them.
New Vegas IS Fallout 3
Bethesdas Fallout is a spin off, Fallout: Capitol Wasteland
3 obviously, it just has more interesting stuff to find. There's also an abundance of resources in New Vegas that really doesn't fit the Fallout setting or even the genre and that just makes it feel like such a dogshit game, the devs seemed to have put theory thought into actual game design.
*put no thought
I don't know where the word theory came from.
Fallout 3 isn't so bad when you realize it takes place in an alternate universe from the original games (1, 2, New Vegas).
Fallout 2 is fricking dogshit. A lot of people suck up to it because they live under the misconception that Fallout 1 and 2 were made by the same people. But it's really just a poor imitation that did a lot of things worse than the first game.
>The entirety of Washington is full of it.
Not really, there's like two or three that you ever have to enter.
Probably from the fact that it does. New Vegas just doesn't have that much to offer outside of what you're going to discover through the story.
>Not really
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Fallout_3_Metro
Yeah and it's still like 1% of the game and you don't have to enter most of these to progress.
except you do have to enter Little Lamplight
>you don't have to enter most of these to progress.
Did you even play the game you're sucking off here?
Yeah, did you? You really only have to enter the one with the ghouls and the one with the Brotherhood. All of them combined are still only a small fraction of the game.
You have to enter all of them because your way is constantly blocked with debris. You'll lose your way constantly because Toddler can't design a game for shit.
There's a lot more to the game than the interior of DC. I barely spent any time there.
So you just skip the main story? Makes sense.
Just like how NV players brag about skipping 70% of the game by stealthing past the deathclaws.
>Just like how NV players brag about skipping 70% of the game by stealthing past the deathclaws.
Nope. Our game is good compared to your barebones dogshit.
Lmao in your dreams troony, in 3 you blow up Megaton meanwhile what do you do in NV, shoot up 3 powdered gangers and some geckosr? Pfftt NV troons are laughably pathetic.
You only have to go through the two aforementioned tunnels in the main story. The main story is short as frick anyway, which is a good thing.
>it's a good thing that the main story is dogshit
I know anon. Still, those places have no reason to exist. They're tedious, badly designed and just exist to waste your time.
Why are all Toddlergays such ESLs? And why do troons live in your head rent free? Either way, F3 is putrid dogshit.
>They're tedious, badly designed and just exist to waste your time.
If you suck maybe. Other than the first one when you're still under equipped they're not a problem at all.
>If you suck maybe
No, Todd sucks. His games are dogshit.
>Other than the first one when you're still under equipped they're not a problem at all.
All of them are badly-designed Oblivion dungeons.
>it just has more interesting stuff to find.
I dunno where does this even come from.
fallout 3 is ugly af
NV
the eternal debate
Fallout 3 is only fun if you play as a villain
But you can't kill essential NPCs.
You mean acting like a 12 year old's idea of a bad person?
troon vegas players love 12 year olds as seen on the frontier mod. they are discord pedophiles that shouldnt be trusted
>has to pivot and change the subject to some random gay's mod bullshit
cope, seethe, gain height, dilate, touch grass, grow as a person, take a shower, and get a clue
You first, queer.
I'm straight, maybe try calling me a mick or something :^)
You play Troon Vegas so I seriously doubt that.
Isn't it tiring to change your likes depending on what like 50 random twitter trannies think? I enjoy things because they are good, not because of what some permanently online gays spam 10 years later. There's still time to enjoy life, anon.
I'm not joining your discord, NV troon.
It's like talking with a brick wall. Later gay, enjoy dying a miserable wretch in the culture war.
New Vegas doesn't succeed as a sequel to FO3, but also FONV is doesn't succeed as being a follow up to FO2. New Vegas feels like it's trying to combine both the changes and the 3D aspect of 3 and the RPG and quest structure of 2 and it doesn't produce results as good as those two games. Still NV is the one I replay the most because of the variety of character builds
NV is vastly superior to 2. Not as tight as 1, but I would even argue it's even better than that as well.
Nah, 2 is better than NV. The gameplay is a lot more difficult in 2, in fact, NV being easy even on Very Hard Hardcore ruined the atmosphere which was already worse than 2 and 3. Quests in 2 had different outcomes besides success or fail, like with the family quest in 2. I was more interested in the characters and story of 2 than NV. Resource management in 2 and 3 were handled significantly better, 2 and 3 had the better world structure and environments than NV, etc. the list could go on for me. Compared to 1, I haven't played 1 in ages but I feel like if I were to replay 1, it would still be better than NV. Again, I think the only thing NV has over any other FO games is build variety and factions, but even then, once you experience all 4 factions, you don't really consciously care about which one you pick every playthrough afterwards, where as picking a different build changes how you play the game significantly
>Resource management in 2 and 3 were handled significantly better, 2 and 3 had the better world structure and environments than NV, etc.
LMAO nice try pajeet. F3 will never be good at anything it tries no matter what you utter here.
>F3 will never be good at anything it tries no matter what you utter here.
Glad to see you didn't respond anything about the atmosphere being better in 3 or the difficulty in 3 being higher than NV. So it's not only good but it's better at certain aspects than what NV accomplishes, NVgay :^)
Atmosphere is not better however
>dude you get it? It's green because... because of radiation LMAO
>diffiiculty
Artificial difficulty where you just make your enemies' health bigger is not even good. Either way, you become a god by level 20, which sucks.
>you become a god by level 20, which sucks.
It's like that for every FO game, except NV where I felt overpowered by Level 7 or 8 and it keeps snowballing. Also:
>dude you get? it's piss filter because... because it's a desert LMAO
Stop being a fricking Black person, there's more to atmosphere than what fricking tint a game uses, and no NVgay has ever provided any reasoning to why their game atmosphere is better than 3 other than spouting off the same word for word talking points as some fricking furry breadtuber or whatever
>Cannot under any circumstance max out every skill to 100 and all attributes to 10 in NV
>Can easily do so in Fallout 3 with minimal effort
Fallout NV is the harder game and far well more balanced.
it's not but you do you
>except NV where I felt overpowered by Level 7 or 8 and it keeps snowballing.
It's so clear that you haven't even played the game.
I have the most hours in NV than any FO game because of the one aspect that is better than any other FO game, which is the variety of builds. Get it through your thick fricking skull. NV is a good game, it's not better than 2 or 3, frick off
>NV is a good game, it's not better than 2 or 3, frick off
See
and cope.
Depends on my mood. I think NV is the better game but there's a lot about 3 that appeals to me more. I also think the constant shitslinging between 3 and NV fans is dumb. Far, far too much in common between the two to truly hate one and love another. If you have to dump on a Fallout, 4 is the one with almost zero redeeming qualities.
3
NV if you're not a brainlet.
Vegas, 3 had too many metros and the dlcs sucked to play.
Threadly reminder to Toddlers.
Fallout 3 for atmosphere and exploration, even if the world doesn't make sense.
New Vegas for everything that makes an RPG an RPG.
I only played NV and 4 and I honestly disliked both
Then I installed 300 mods on both games and in the end, 4 was more enjoyable
Who's the cutest and funniest NPC in entire Fallout's franchise?
>Quests
fallout nv i mean come on its just better
>exploration
fallout 3 way more cool places to explore than house,cave and new vegas strip
>companions
NV perks and actual character depth but i will miss my 8k hp laser Gatling gun wielding boi fawkes even if he does frick you over in the base game
>combat
Fallout nv combat is just better and the armor system is better as well
>DLCs
fallout 3 wins even though it has two bad dlcs and one that shouldve been base game its still better than the addons for NV
>Story
Fallout 3 because i can actually play after the ending if you could do that with NV than nv hands down with the house ending
>perks
fallout nv had better perks it did nerf some like reapers sprint but eh still better overall
>radio
i liked 3 dog more than mr new vegas and i can listen to every fallout 3 song where as i switch the radio station on some nv and sometimes off when it plays both
>replayability
nv way more endings somehow beating todd "200 endings so far" howard and build variety
>RPG mech-its new vegas we all know it
but my issue is that new vegas has a hard skill cap requirement for certain dialogue actions when i think they shouldve just combined the chance mechanic of 3. i.e barter 10/20 turns into barter 50% chance with a doubled penalty on failed if you have 20 barter its 100%
>Doesnt force me to learn caravan
OH NONONO NVSISTERS WHAT HAPPENED
also the 2 bad dlc's i mentioned are "point lookout that hillbilly does 600 damage because of oblivion difficulty" and "the pitt of bad writing where power armor doesnt stop someone from knocking you out" mother ship zeta and operation Anchorage are fun dlcs that do cool things and give out end game rewards fricking pitt and point lookout gives jack shit except a minor chance to not get critted oh boy thats worth the slog of that fricking dlc
Both games have good and bad but i prefer to stare at blueish green for 8 horus rather than bright orange so 3 wins in the end
>he actually thinks percentage chance is better than actual proper skill check
Kek, you brainlets never cease to amaze me.
my example would still have proper skill checks but also give you a chance to succeed if you are close enough to match it. Honestly one of the better parts of fallout 3 is having the option to lose a speech check even if you have 100 because the most you can get is like an 85% think like rolling a nat 1 on a d20. Man if only there was another game that did something like that i could point towards as being objectively good winning some kind of yearly award for good games. oh well none come to mind you win this internet argument
No, that's moronic and leaves everything to luck.
Who in their right mind would ever think Fallout 3 had a good story at all, much less superior to New Vegas? At best, it is a cliched railroad of stereotypes with hilariously basic black/white morality choices that pretends to be deep even though every metaphor's as shallow as puddle, and at worst it's an insulting mess filled with more plot holes and forced stupidity.
New Vegas starts as a simple but effective tale of either revenge/duty (whether you feel more for killing Benny or getting the chip back) that crescendos into a four way battle of intrigue for dominance of the region with four unique factions/outcomes with varying compelling arguments for all of them with various outcomes, not just for those four factions but the multiple of minor factions involved.
I’ll take pajeets over trannies
Neither. Both are soulless slop.
New Vegas
Anyone else think that Fallout 1, 2, NV is the best trilogy in gaming? (I'm calling it a trilogy because they are the "California" games)
Lumping in the garbage that is Fallout 2 and NV with Fallout 1 would probably make Wasteland a better trilogy.