Those poor Gen Alpha kiddies that picked the watermon and end up with a pokemon that evolved into a literal homosexual will forever have a sour taste on this series.
Times have changed oldgay. What came before has affected what has recently arrived and those yet to come, as well as outside stresses that have shaped the now.
Funny, in a series that stresses evolution of both character and pokémon, the players can't handle evolution of the series from their childhood to somebody else's.
Yes, but they're not "their" starters, they're grandad's and if he's a cool granddad, he'd have told the little ones about them.
This is "their" game, their new Generation and region to explore. And they get new starters with their new region.
And you're a seething child who ignores the fact when they first started, the greatest influence on the artists creating the things was Toriyama. Since then, more and more non-oldgay-era artists have emerged, influenced by othr artists beyond the shit the kids in the 70's and 80's were fed. Coupled with the gradual improvement of the hardware (GBA allowing them to display more colours and greater detail in their designs directly led to Rayquaza, Aggron and other /vp/-approved numons) over the years and the shift in art trends and we end up here. It's not "pseduo-intellectualism", it's called "living though the last 40 years and seeing how the world has changed since you became aware of it in the 80's".
Everyone knows that things change, you condescending donkey. Is it so hard to understand that people have mixed feelings about having to expect an inferior product for the foreseeable future?
>the greatest influence on the artists creating the things was Toriyama
And that's where things peaked.
Considering whatever Toriyama draws becomes a mainstream hit even today (Android 21), I'd say they shouldn't have let that mindset go.
>What came before has affected what has recently arrived and those yet to come
no, the old good was abruptly and deliberately smashed with a hammer so that we have the present state of things. just as the israelites are doing with the west, they are doing the same in asia in all areas.
when i ask my nephews what their favourite is, they tell me charizard. now that this gen has arrived, i am 100% certain their answer will still be 'cool fire dragon' and not 'gay duck'. what children is that appealing to?
Anon, it's a cat. The vast majority of pet owners are more likely to own a cat than a duck or bird (Granted, there's a few rockets DO have pet 'gators, but they're an exception to the rule of "don't keep anything fricktarded as a pet" as rule of badass shades its stupidity quotient).
There was only going to be one winner.
Can we just stop doing 3rd stages now? It's like they bash their head on the wall before designing those. Those 2nd stages are actually good. We got 3 Delphoxs.
If the duck was literally just water Blaziken he could have been based. He's like, a small tweak away from being an actual good design. Why did they have to make him such a homosexual? Even just looking at the image in the OP if he was just a regular fighting bird mon be could have been based.
This >remove the huge ass >straighten the spine >change the feet
Boom it’s fine, you can keep the peawiener feathers and have it use them for attacks like it does now, as some sorta monk martial art type shit.
I don't have the game but I'm still split between croc and cat.
In one hand, I think the cat is a good baseline design, kinda like a new Roserade but with more stylish proportions.
In the other hand, I feel like the more time passes the more I like the final croc.
It's like the cat is attacking me with Closed Combat, while the croc is attacking me with Rollout...
What's wrong with Skeledirge's eyes?
How did Crocalor make Pignite and Quilladin look better by comparison?
Why is Quaxwell all sorts of wrong and even more awkward than all the other middle-stage bird starters before it?
Stop making me pick grass. I just want a good complete fire starter line again.
as it is, i don't hate them. even gay peawiener man is better to me than incineroar; i'm completely neutral towards fire. grass just feels incomplete, i don't know how to put it. looks like a middle stage i guess
None of these are even Spanish, the frick? Now I have zero hope they'll design the Elite Four based off of the Sagrada Familia. They'll probably make some Aztec pyramid because they don't know shit
don't care much for the starters but since we have official sugi-arts of the starter evos, hopefully we get sugi-style arts for all of gen 9's pokemon pretty soon
wait why doesnt in game meowscarada have that flower with her? it's a shitty looking leaf thing instead. WHY?! that looks so much better. why even draw the offical artwork that way if it's not like that at all in game? i feel like im losing my mind
I liked 2/3rds of them immediately and felt bad for the water one (I can see the idea but the design could have been better).
The official art makes all three look better. Fire is great,1st quadruped in ages. Grass is great but I'm not sure I'd rank it over Decidueye or Chesnaught when compared to other grass starter humanoid jobmons. The water one is silly but it makes you sort of like it for what it is. Overall, MUCH BETTER THAN GALAR. Galar starters sucked.
Same, I've been a watergay since the start, but I was forced to switch this time. Not an issue though, even if the duck was great, I doubt it would've been better than Meowscarada
I'm still going to say the croc looks like a fricking clown with white face paint, a round nose add on, and funky hair. But I don't really care for the others so I'll probably still pick it
I'm actually ok with the starters this time around, at least not offended by them as with Gen 7 and especially 8.
The duck is a little too goofy but the cat and croc are more than alright.
So is the bird a reference to how crocodiles have ones feed on the stuff stuck between their teeth? Seems odd it is on the outside if that is the case.
???
Actually
???
How is Skeledirge anything like that? It isn't even a king, much less having fatal powers for such a small creature. Plus it only has four legs.
My opinions of the starters completely inverted when I saw their final stages.
At first I was team Quaxly all the way, thought Sprigatito was alright, and didn't like Fuecoco.
But I love Skeledirge, can take Meowscarada or leave it, and Quaxaval looks fricking stupid.
>unironically really like Quaquaval's design >but the constantly-dancing animations and aggressive homosexuality ruin it
I don't even have an issue with it being gay, but goddamn they went overboard with it
Hell no. >The cat is a fur-bait shillmon, complete with Protean >The alligator is overdesigned, but at least it's an overdesigned quadruped >The duck is quite possibly the gayest 'mon I've ever seen
The kindest thing I can say about any of them is that the duck is so fricking gay that it's endearing. It's really embarrassing that fans completely salvaged its design with a few simple changes before the games even released.
Skeledirge is very cool. Really cool theme and good design. My only gripe is that the fire doesn't look dynamic, but otherwise it's amazing. How can you not love a badass fire breathing crocodile with a fire spirit bird as a sidekick?
Floragato is so cute, I wish Meowscarada kept the knight/medieval swordsman vibe instead of turning into that thing.
Granted, it's still the starter I'm picking because I really dislike the other two ... But it could've been so much cooler if it stuck to Floragato's theme instead of taking the weird sexy magician turn.
Comparing it to Crocalor's there, its weird blockiness is definitely supposed to come from that nest, so Skeledirge's is intended to look like both bundles of nest twigs and actual flames. The problem is that in execution, it doesn't really look like either.
floragato is easily top 5 middle starter evos, it being bipedal somehow works
meowscarada is worse but its still alright
croc is solid for the most part, skeledirge could be better
quaxly was ruined
I feel bad for kids who have these as their first starter ever.
I can accept them if they were regular goofy shitmons at the end of the dex. But as starters? Good lord.
Those poor Gen Alpha kiddies that picked the watermon and end up with a pokemon that evolved into a literal homosexual will forever have a sour taste on this series.
Times have changed oldgay. What came before has affected what has recently arrived and those yet to come, as well as outside stresses that have shaped the now.
Funny, in a series that stresses evolution of both character and pokémon, the players can't handle evolution of the series from their childhood to somebody else's.
I feel like this isn't a good argument since the old Pokemon still exist and are marketed to kids. I mean LGPE was just a few years ago.
Yes, but they're not "their" starters, they're grandad's and if he's a cool granddad, he'd have told the little ones about them.
This is "their" game, their new Generation and region to explore. And they get new starters with their new region.
You sound like a pseudo-intellectual douche who doesn't understand that change for the sake of change isn't intrinsically good.
And you're a seething child who ignores the fact when they first started, the greatest influence on the artists creating the things was Toriyama. Since then, more and more non-oldgay-era artists have emerged, influenced by othr artists beyond the shit the kids in the 70's and 80's were fed. Coupled with the gradual improvement of the hardware (GBA allowing them to display more colours and greater detail in their designs directly led to Rayquaza, Aggron and other /vp/-approved numons) over the years and the shift in art trends and we end up here. It's not "pseduo-intellectualism", it's called "living though the last 40 years and seeing how the world has changed since you became aware of it in the 80's".
Everyone knows that things change, you condescending donkey. Is it so hard to understand that people have mixed feelings about having to expect an inferior product for the foreseeable future?
>the greatest influence on the artists creating the things was Toriyama
And that's where things peaked.
Considering whatever Toriyama draws becomes a mainstream hit even today (Android 21), I'd say they shouldn't have let that mindset go.
Yeah, and things have gotten worse.
>What came before has affected what has recently arrived and those yet to come
no, the old good was abruptly and deliberately smashed with a hammer so that we have the present state of things. just as the israelites are doing with the west, they are doing the same in asia in all areas.
when i ask my nephews what their favourite is, they tell me charizard. now that this gen has arrived, i am 100% certain their answer will still be 'cool fire dragon' and not 'gay duck'. what children is that appealing to?
The whole Sprig line is good though, and probably the best thing 9th gen has.
You're at least 9 years too late fren, Flowercats are real Pokémon now…
I wonder what she thinks of GF stealing her ideas
Did I shutter?
How should I know?
Opinions of non-pokefrickers are so worthless to me that I don't even hear them
Sprigatito is unironically the worst of the evo line, just like Fennekin.
The second stage is great, I'll probably slap an Everstone on mine.
>vegana bones on official art
cat literally can't stop winning
The what?
fricking newbies
Oh no, I'm very aware of the maymay. Doesn't excuse it from being moronic.
You can leave now
vegana Bones
Take me Home
To the place I belong
vegana Bones
Mountain Mama
>vegana bones
Not how women work, virgin.
>virgin
How can you be so dumb?
Are you new to life?
I actually really like the Fire one and it's the first time in all 9 gens that the Fire starter is my favorite.
Best Firemon since Blaziken ez
I liked incineraor as a smash character though, felt like thats what he was designed for
the Fakemon trio.
God I fricking wish we didn't get leaks and this was us first discovering them. We could all play the game tomorrow and discover all the new mons
You could just not look at the leaks
Easier said than done
they REALLY want you to pick the cat, huh
You're only realising this now, after 10 days of leaks pointing to how it was THE pick of the Gen's starter trio?
idk, it caught me off guard. they seemed to focus on homoduck in early promos
Anon, it's a cat. The vast majority of pet owners are more likely to own a cat than a duck or bird (Granted, there's a few rockets DO have pet 'gators, but they're an exception to the rule of "don't keep anything fricktarded as a pet" as rule of badass shades its stupidity quotient).
There was only going to be one winner.
Yes, but they also gave it a horrible type combination so it feels more like a trap.
>a horrible type combination
it has protean and is one of the fastest pokemon available in the game.
ehhh they're better than galar's at least
still fricking awful granted
I’m liking them less and less as time goes on, and I started out liking Skeledirge and thinking Quaquaval was okay.
Quaxwell a d Floragato are incredible.
no
strong themes and design. very good trio.
a million times more memorable than Sword/Shit's starters.
cacus :DDD
yeah, just a happy cactus, believe me officer Jenny
Peyote cat
No wonder it's high.
So that's just what the flower looks like in bloomed form then, I guess. Weird that it appears more like a leaf when not being used to attack though.
Can we just stop doing 3rd stages now? It's like they bash their head on the wall before designing those. Those 2nd stages are actually good. We got 3 Delphoxs.
Why did they draw the pet cat animal with sexy v-lines?
Because they're based.
Which Digimon is that?
The one who helped the middle-aged GF staffers grow up way back when.
Why's Meowscarada's flower look different here? Did the emulators fail to render it properly or something?
Skeledirge looks like it belongs in some godawful gen 3 romhack.
It looks really disconnected from the other 2
because grass and water are both bipedal and have some flamboyance to them.
I mean it looks disconnected from Fuecoco and Crocalor.
Eh, we have worse cases in Pokemon.
Yeah, I guess.
unironically should have been a circus strongman to complete the trio
I’ll honestly take these over Galar’s starters.
Skeledirge is the worst but it’s still better than all of Galar’s starters.
We truly owe Alola’s starters an apology.
incineroar is still the worst starter
at least with gen 8 and 9 they don't tease you into thinking the final evo is gonna be cool
Quaquaval looks better in artwork than ingame
What the frick is that flower on Meowscarada? why does the one in game look so shit in comparison?
Maybe it's the emulator not rendering it right?
Plenty of people have played the game already, surely someone would have a screenshot if it was any different. Does it appear in the Pokedex image?
This is actually heinous. Anyone who approved these designs need to be let off.
I agree.
If the duck was literally just water Blaziken he could have been based. He's like, a small tweak away from being an actual good design. Why did they have to make him such a homosexual? Even just looking at the image in the OP if he was just a regular fighting bird mon be could have been based.
This
>remove the huge ass
>straighten the spine
>change the feet
Boom it’s fine, you can keep the peawiener feathers and have it use them for attacks like it does now, as some sorta monk martial art type shit.
Nice, this means we'll get clear art of Meowscarada soon. Maybe people will start drawing her fricking tail now
I don't have the game but I'm still split between croc and cat.
In one hand, I think the cat is a good baseline design, kinda like a new Roserade but with more stylish proportions.
In the other hand, I feel like the more time passes the more I like the final croc.
It's like the cat is attacking me with Closed Combat, while the croc is attacking me with Rollout...
Cute metaphor anon.
What's wrong with Skeledirge's eyes?
How did Crocalor make Pignite and Quilladin look better by comparison?
Why is Quaxwell all sorts of wrong and even more awkward than all the other middle-stage bird starters before it?
Stop making me pick grass. I just want a good complete fire starter line again.
What's wrong with Lewdburn's eye?
as it is, i don't hate them. even gay peawiener man is better to me than incineroar; i'm completely neutral towards fire. grass just feels incomplete, i don't know how to put it. looks like a middle stage i guess
I actually like all three of them and legitimately don't know which one to choose
Now compare that to SwSh where I didn't know which one to choose because they all SUCKED
the cat was a huge disappointment
the croc was a good surprise
I did not care for the duck
sprig is cute
mid evo is good
the rest are shit
better than swsh
The duck is straight up ridiculous.
So disgusting.
haha look at him go
It's brazillian samba/carnaval, which is already obvious from the design.
It's so painfully and boldly GAY that it's almost admirable.
Nope I didn't like the last Gen starters either so I won't use one on my team
wow first time since gen 4 that i like all of the starters, lets go
Galar’s were so godawful that these actually look passable. Their festive motif is pretty neat
Now its ghost type makes sense
Oh, so the theme is festies:
The Italian Masquerade, the Mexican Dia de los muertos, and the Brazilian Carnaval do Rio de Janeiro
spain has so less culture that they use three others lmao what a shitty generation and misplaced region.
>has no culture
amerifat or angloid detected
None of these are even Spanish, the frick? Now I have zero hope they'll design the Elite Four based off of the Sagrada Familia. They'll probably make some Aztec pyramid because they don't know shit
Skeledirge is awful. It looks like a DP beta sprite, it’s design is all over the place and none of it works.
It's still somehow miles ahead of the other two
don't care much for the starters but since we have official sugi-arts of the starter evos, hopefully we get sugi-style arts for all of gen 9's pokemon pretty soon
they're pretty good. the design motifs are very strong this time. really highlights how bad Gen 8's starters were
wait why doesnt in game meowscarada have that flower with her? it's a shitty looking leaf thing instead. WHY?! that looks so much better. why even draw the offical artwork that way if it's not like that at all in game? i feel like im losing my mind
I liked 2/3rds of them immediately and felt bad for the water one (I can see the idea but the design could have been better).
The official art makes all three look better. Fire is great,1st quadruped in ages. Grass is great but I'm not sure I'd rank it over Decidueye or Chesnaught when compared to other grass starter humanoid jobmons. The water one is silly but it makes you sort of like it for what it is. Overall, MUCH BETTER THAN GALAR. Galar starters sucked.
Same, I've been a watergay since the start, but I was forced to switch this time. Not an issue though, even if the duck was great, I doubt it would've been better than Meowscarada
I'm still going to say the croc looks like a fricking clown with white face paint, a round nose add on, and funky hair. But I don't really care for the others so I'll probably still pick it
I'm actually ok with the starters this time around, at least not offended by them as with Gen 7 and especially 8.
The duck is a little too goofy but the cat and croc are more than alright.
So is the bird a reference to how crocodiles have ones feed on the stuff stuck between their teeth? Seems odd it is on the outside if that is the case.
It goes in the mouth and does that for its idle animation.
>mfw the moronic zodiacgays say "B-but it's was the reference to Muh Basilisk!!!" when it's actually not
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Actually
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How is Skeledirge anything like that? It isn't even a king, much less having fatal powers for such a small creature. Plus it only has four legs.
It's a basilisk
My opinions of the starters completely inverted when I saw their final stages.
At first I was team Quaxly all the way, thought Sprigatito was alright, and didn't like Fuecoco.
But I love Skeledirge, can take Meowscarada or leave it, and Quaxaval looks fricking stupid.
Don't forget Sugimori green lighted this
and?
Baba mad Sugi didn't consider him and her tastes when approving them.
They're better than gen 8's, but that isn't saying much.
Which one is Ash getting
This
Rasielmon
Leviamon
Leviamon would be a water-type.
You forgot FrosVelgrmon
All but Quaquaval. The preevo also looks kinda meh, but not as insulting to the senses.
Skeledirge grew on me hard on my playthrough. I love its cry.
I like sugar skull flaming alligator, it's a genuinely cool theme. the other two are questionable though.
>El Coco
Why is he so angry?
He knows what he's going to evolve into el pato aborrecible
Quaxwel hates Ice-types
>unironically really like Quaquaval's design
>but the constantly-dancing animations and aggressive homosexuality ruin it
I don't even have an issue with it being gay, but goddamn they went overboard with it
I can only hope its porn will convince me it works as a female.
>Why is he so angry?
Because he is a homosexual and he wants everyone to know it, badly.
Imagine the disappointment of those kids who choose the duck
Where is the first everstone in the game, or the replacement for an everstone?
Hell no.
>The cat is a fur-bait shillmon, complete with Protean
>The alligator is overdesigned, but at least it's an overdesigned quadruped
>The duck is quite possibly the gayest 'mon I've ever seen
The kindest thing I can say about any of them is that the duck is so fricking gay that it's endearing. It's really embarrassing that fans completely salvaged its design with a few simple changes before the games even released.
Cat and duck look nice.
Croc still looks like a Roblox model.
Gator is fricking cool.
Skeledirge is very cool. Really cool theme and good design. My only gripe is that the fire doesn't look dynamic, but otherwise it's amazing. How can you not love a badass fire breathing crocodile with a fire spirit bird as a sidekick?
Only Skeledirge
Cat and Crocodile I guess. Duck is completely irredeemable.
Floragato is so cute, I wish Meowscarada kept the knight/medieval swordsman vibe instead of turning into that thing.
Granted, it's still the starter I'm picking because I really dislike the other two ... But it could've been so much cooler if it stuck to Floragato's theme instead of taking the weird sexy magician turn.
Yeah
I just can't stand the fire looking like balding hair.
It's not flowers either kek
They're not ideal, but the starters haven't looked remotely this good since gen 5.
huh? gen 5’s starters are the worst ones in the series and it’s not even close.
Whoops wrong gen, oh well we all make mistakes
Nah
Way better than the last ones
No. this is the first time I've ever boxed my starter(croc).
ugly garbage especially the grass starter
Yes I love my smug cat
These are legit disgusting. But at least they’re nowhere near as bad as the godawful Gen 5 starters.
They're both less repulsive than the Gen 8 starters.
Delusional.
I do like the fire one, best final evo. The other ones were alright with their first evo, but the final ones are just bad.
I would rather say that they are less worse than the starters from the 2 previous gens
artworks made grass and fire best looking, duck is unironically boring as check
Did they just copy the box sprites for the official art, or vice versa? That’s lame, if not surprising.
Qval grew on me as soon as I named mine Bon Clay. Still tired of 3 gens in a row of gay water starters though. Give me back my sea monsters.
Starter Pokemon have to breathe air.
GOOD
GOOD
HOLY FRICK SO BAD GET IT AWAY FROM ME
The fire type is by far the only good design. I actually like it a lot. I usually go water but god damn that duck is moronic
>The fire still looks like shitty confetti
It's over
Comparing it to Crocalor's there, its weird blockiness is definitely supposed to come from that nest, so Skeledirge's is intended to look like both bundles of nest twigs and actual flames. The problem is that in execution, it doesn't really look like either.
>three gens in a row now where the water starter turns into an effeminate homosexual
Giving Quaxly the everstone immediately
Simple as
floragato is easily top 5 middle starter evos, it being bipedal somehow works
meowscarada is worse but its still alright
croc is solid for the most part, skeledirge could be better
quaxly was ruined
Crocalor is terrible. Just bad. I'm usually very kind to designs but fricking hell.
Luv her
Simple as
Literally best final evo in years.