PSO2 NGS when bored. the tweaker proxy doesn't work at the moment and im too lazy to fire up my vpn to play it. slayer was fun for the little time i've dabbled in it.
cant post the full one. if you really want it then here
https://files.catbox.moe/dabdn8.png
https://files.catbox.moe/vs6zrp.png
https://files.catbox.moe/ccohsl.psd
I have no idea when Alpaca got added but it's a cash item. You can also shear him for a really weak commerce move speed boost but it takes a lot of shearing.
Not as good as commerce partners for profit and you can only do one or the other but I like the Alpaca because I don't have to worry about likeability.
Blue Protocol (published by Amazon likely p2w)
Throne and Liberty (published by ncsoft is p2w)
Perfect New World (published by perfect world is p2w)
Odin Valhalla Rising (published by Kakao, is p2w)
Archeage 2 possibly (published by Kakao, is p2w)
Corepunk (published by nobody cares doa on launch)
Ashfall (published by see above)
Do you see the pattern here?
The good games are p2w and the fair ones suck. There are games but none are worth your time.
Make a thread on /vm/ and gauge interest.
That's what that board is for, finding groups to play games with and talking about them.
Not generals, do not talk about players, talk about the game.
It's ass, Dofus is way better
t. Pierre, we despise Wakfu in France nobody plays that crap.
There is way more content on Dofus, the economy of this game is probably the best you will ever see (depending on the server).
Only downside is that it's hard to pick up for a newbie in 2023, this game is the WoW of France everyone played it, it's full of multi-accounts billionaires minmaxing gays and the leveling is non existant, you just get pled to lvl 200.
I hate that the action MMO genre is stuck in Korean P2W hell. I know the west had it's chance with Wildstar and blew it, but still. At least private servers exist.
I play Final Fantasy XI, and I don't know if I can call it dead, but I hardly see any players outside of cities. And when I do, they are doing their own thing and we never interact. The most interaction I've had in the game is someone seeing my newb (at the time) self and wishing me good luck.
Nope, I thought about joining, but I decided against it since I very rarely play. I only log in maybe once or twice a week for an hour or two. I'm not even level 20 yet.
nta but based
this is how MMOs should be, experience it slowly, enjoy the pace one level at a time. The meme to rush came with the end-game meme
1 year ago
Anonymous
Part of me wants to rush to the endgame, but I'm just so "fascinated" with how "obtuse" everything is. It's the same feeling I get when I first played Ys I & II Chronicles or the first few Dragon Quest games. I have no idea what I'm doing or where I'm going. I have to be proactive and talk to random NPCs just to get some idea of what to do. It feels like an adventure in the sense that the game requires me to be autonomous rather than twist my head in a direction with a huge quest marker saying "GO HERE!" There are some hints, but the game is vague enough that it forces me to figure things out on my own to a certain extent.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I enjoy that aspect too. I mostly followed quest guides when going through the game, because finding that random, unmarked "???" in a huge zone gets really tiresome. However, some quests I deliberately tried to do with no help, and that was some of the most fun I've had, just exploring the maps and figuring it out on my own.
>literal timeline of his day >be jerking to 2D >post-nut youtube watching >back to jerking to 2D for awhile >want to download some anime related to the previous 2D jerking >start watching some streamer playing vidya while the anime downloads >get bored and start jerking again to 2D >more post-nut youtube watching
Nexon figured the perfect milking formula long ago around when they released big bang, they made the game shittier and shittier but it still keeps playing coming back.
Hell i have spent around $40,000 USD since it released in NA.
I tried to get back into lotr recently but it just didn't feel good. A shame too because I have a lifetime subscription so I could get a bunch of shit for free
>you have time this week to play extra, might as well grind raids for gear >oh wait the devs are holding everyone hostage because poopsockers might quit the game for a month after gearing up in a day
many such cases!
It's not even about accounting for poopsockers, it's about some case study showing that forcing people to play on a routine such as through dailies creates an addictive pattern that will make you more likely to sunk cost the game harder in the long term, just like rigged winrates in matchmaking games.
Action combat has never worked in an MMORPG because the average player has 150ms ping. Adding more server locations doesn't fix the problem when you don't have enough players.
slow combat system = less servers = active MMO even with a small small userbase
Unfortunately most of them are designed to be singleplayer games for solo players so they can have the flashy combat system that looks good in the trailer.
It worked great in TERA.
The problem in general is that it's running a server with ~200 people online playing, and this is if they separate the world zones.
So even if you have ~15 ms ping, the server is going to cater to those with ~200 ms ping and make your experience shittier.
It worked great in TERA.
The problem in general is that it's running a server with ~200 people online playing, and this is if they separate the world zones.
So even if you have ~15 ms ping, the server is going to cater to those with ~200 ms ping and make your experience shittier.
Wouldn't instance combats like Wakfu/ JRPGs work?
That'd also be fine to do great turn based combat like Open XCOM.
In any case EverQuest and WoW atrocious combat killed the genre in it's infancy, what a shame.
>Wouldn't instance combats like Wakfu/ JRPGs work?
It already works just fine, just look at Vindictus.
The problem is that these are not MMOs anymore. Sure, by definition they could be an MMO, but they don't have the experience of coming by someone out in the wild getting smacked by mobs and coming to help them and making a friend. Or coming across someone doing the same quest and asking to party, and going through the game together. You instead have the experience of a lot of solo instances of which you need someone else to know you're on a certain part of the content in order to participate beforehand. Chance encounters, which is the heart and soul of MMORPGs, are thrown to the wind on instanced games.
But Vindictus is not a MMO. Again the example of what I ask would be Wakfu, if Wakfu had good combat, and good action combat in particular like a fighting game or an arena shooter.
There's nothing massive about MMOs anymore. Wikis killed MMOs' sense of scale, datamining and streaming killed MMOs' sense of mystery, and guides killed MMOs' sense of freedom, social media and developer bad faith killed MMOs' sense of community. There isn't much difference between open world exploration and instanced dungeon selection lobbies because all the abstract gameplay concepts that are lost with instancing are dead anyway.
I'm considering giving Tree of Savior and Dofus/Wakfu a try, at some point. I just don't really have the free time at the moment. I have played PSO2 for some time, as well... which sort of counts these days.
the downfall of ToS is tragic, that game had a lot of sovl. very nice environments and music, tons of class interesting class combinations
sadly nowadays you just skip 90% of the content while rushing to max level with insane exp boosts and OP weapons they gift you, so you can join the tiny remainder of the playerbase.
the whole leveling experience is gone and progression is shit. i'm mad
I'm really skeptical because they are really notorious for making re-runs and cash shop gouges.
If it's good though I'll roll through again
1 year ago
Anonymous
I mean not really. They usually curtail p2w and try to foster a small community for a game that was either dead or dying. La Tale is a good example of that.
1 year ago
Anonymous
that's good to hear. Is there a site with their own community or is it just leddit?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Only thing right now is an official discord for it, and their website.
I've seen a video about it. Apparently characters can just start at level 300 or so? The whole design of the game seems geared towards hanging around and just casually grinding, to the point where there's a class dedicated to putting up a camp to buff equipment and gain passive recovery bonuses. But who is going to bother with the grind from level 1 outside just the morbid curious? I couldn't even convince people to join in, since they'd obviously ask the question about why grind from Lv.1 when you start at Lv.300.
I'll probably try it out anyway, just to see how stuff like the shieldbasher and cryomancer builds actually work in the game. Starting that high level does mean that I should be able to put together builds easily. I might even start up from Lv.1 as well, since smacking enemies and watching them go pop was fairly satisfying. At least I could see what the developers made that was left for dead.
>I've seen a video about it. Apparently characters can just start at level 300 or so?
Yeah, and they can clear dungeons with a scroll
Keep in mind, this is a game that was designed to have 3 different support classes made for parking in a field, making a camp, and gaining EXP from people fighting monsters nearby. Now, nobody uses them.
I feel like game devs are obsessed with the "game" part of it like they're making a single player that happens to be massively online. In reality, the social and grinding aspects are more important. The game has to have enough to do without constant content drops through grinding and has to be comfy for social/ERP purposes, which is a lot of what people do in these games.
This.
The genuine hate over 'coomers' or anyone who just wants to have fun with RP online is a massive scourge than even the class trinity. MMO devs who genuinely think they can keep their social experience purely platonic and disconnecting while also advertising it as a role playing game online with other people.
First MMO that puts in sex aspects would rake in dough.
Yeah I don't get it. It's basically e-sex with a human, not cooming to pictures or porn, and sex is part of social life. They think they can make an sterilized social experience which just makes it cold and unfun, so people play their single player games because why not? What's the difference? They don't even have to put in explicit sex aspects, just make it comfortable with housing and social areas with a functional chat system that encourages RP.
>They think they can make an sterilized social experience which just makes it cold and unfun
And this is true for everything besides sex, as well.
When was the last time a cooking skill in a game was used to make food for a party that wasn't just a powerup? Or a social job in an MMO was something you could use with other people outside of combat?
Some of my best friends I made fishing in Runescape. Most games now discourage trying to fish around other people. Or having social interaction at all.
>pic
that's a very, very moronic take
what's sad is that you probably screenshotted your own post because i can't see anyone agreeing to it to such extent
>i can't see anyone agreeing that MMOs are about sharing a world full of adversity and interacting with people to find clever solutions to problems rather than grinding item levels inside closed instances
Of course you can't, because you hate MMOs.
Because MMOs are no longer made for people who want to play MMOs.
What would classify as a "MMORPG" in terms of gameplay by the standards of these posts? I'm not trying to troll or bait, I'm honestly curious. My only reference for MMORPGs are Korean F2Ps (P2Ws), which to my knowledge generally tried to copy WoW's success.
I've never played a KMMO but I think as a baseline an MMO should be, essentially, hostile to the player. A lone player should feel vulnerable and helpless because the entire point of an MMO is to band together and form new friendships to overcome problems. That also means forcing players to actually engage with that dangerous world rather than fast traveling around. That curates the kind of game where a high level player will be passing through and see a lowbie in danger, and they'll stop to help because they remember what that was like. And then a new friendship is made.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yes. Real MMOs haven't been a thing for ages, so nobody who would be working on MMOs today would remember that this was once the basic idea, though.
This.
The genuine hate over 'coomers' or anyone who just wants to have fun with RP online is a massive scourge than even the class trinity. MMO devs who genuinely think they can keep their social experience purely platonic and disconnecting while also advertising it as a role playing game online with other people.
First MMO that puts in sex aspects would rake in dough.
and that's why we need more sandbox PvP MMORPGs like Eve or Albion. You can't run out of content when there is no endgame or vertical progression that's making old content obsolete as you "play through" it.
I used to play Wildstar and TERA before they shut down. I really liked Wildstar a lot and miss it dearly.
I tried playing WoW, Classic, and XIV, but at the end of the day all anyone wants to do is raid log so I always end up playing alone for 99% of the time I'm online, and when it's time to raid I've gotta sit in discord with a bunch of homosexuals who care more about parsetroony shit than just simply beating the boss or people b***hing about loot because muh bis.
It's not a threat, I'm saying you will never speak with another person again because the playerbase is practically nonexistent now, and there is a lot of stuff that you can grind.
https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Kind_of_a_Big_Deal
https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Hall_of_Monuments
https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Skill
Honestly for me Blue Protocol is the last hope for me that I have for MMORPGs. The social aspects of the game + forcing players to interact via. zone grinding + long leveling experience. Every MMO nowadays just feels like it's either made by people that haven't played a lot of MMOs; or for people that don't even like MMOs.
>Featuring a dynamic action combat system, deep character customization, and an epic story set in a vast world >you become the hero of your very own anime adventure
I don't know what you're talking about. This sounds like something that's been designed by people who don't play MMOs.
That's just marketing fluff to attract a playerbase. If you played the betas in JP it's the opposite. There is a story for the game as it's a Bandai game.
>photo mode
Trying to appeal to the FF14 crowd?
I mean, perhaps it will turn out good. I'm less inclined to try jumping into a new one at this point. But it's good to keep an eye on it and see how it turns out.
Honestly for me Blue Protocol is the last hope for me that I have for MMORPGs. The social aspects of the game + forcing players to interact via. zone grinding + long leveling experience. Every MMO nowadays just feels like it's either made by people that haven't played a lot of MMOs; or for people that don't even like MMOs.
this artist does traps
Hot.
Yes, I still play retail WoW.
>dead MMOs
Redundant
Yes
Used to. Got bored and moved on with my life
Ragnarök Online
Realm of the Mad God
Tree of Savior
World of Warcraft (Retail)
How's New World by the way? I love the asthetics but all my casual friends say it's shit
>Japanese Shadman
>japanese shadman
PSO2 NGS when bored. the tweaker proxy doesn't work at the moment and im too lazy to fire up my vpn to play it. slayer was fun for the little time i've dabbled in it.
>cropped
Anon please
cant post the full one. if you really want it then here
https://files.catbox.moe/dabdn8.png
https://files.catbox.moe/vs6zrp.png
https://files.catbox.moe/ccohsl.psd
Yes I really wanted it
Where is the rape?
you imagine it
That's no fun
Soon
>teleports behind you
>Jap Shadman
does ESO count?
I play it as a singleplayer game
I'm doing commerce in Mabinogi right now.
Since when is there an alpaca? Last time I played elephant was the best except for a couple things where horse was better
I have no idea when Alpaca got added but it's a cash item. You can also shear him for a really weak commerce move speed boost but it takes a lot of shearing.
Not as good as commerce partners for profit and you can only do one or the other but I like the Alpaca because I don't have to worry about likeability.
I do ~
I love Ragnarok online.
What server?
Any new MMOs coming out this year?
Nope
Blue Protocol (published by Amazon likely p2w)
Throne and Liberty (published by ncsoft is p2w)
Perfect New World (published by perfect world is p2w)
Odin Valhalla Rising (published by Kakao, is p2w)
Archeage 2 possibly (published by Kakao, is p2w)
Corepunk (published by nobody cares doa on launch)
Ashfall (published by see above)
Do you see the pattern here?
The good games are p2w and the fair ones suck. There are games but none are worth your time.
>Corepunk (published by nobody cares doa on launch)
What a bully. It's one of the few I have an interest in.
Also been dipping my toes back in Tibia for a bit again. Nothing quite serious play yet though.
I miss hardcore tibia, modern tibia is just too easy/safe.
And not a single grindy 2D/2.5D MMORPG to fill the void again this year.
fotm flops like new world and lost ark
Only the deadest.
Does anyone still play Blade and Soul?
no, the ue4 upgrade didn't even bring people back
korea still plays but in the west it's dead
p2w kills games hard
Not even alive ones.
sauce?
have a nice day
thinking about getting into wakfu but i'm hesitant since mmos arn't usually my thing and i'd be doing it solo
I've heard that Dofus is better in every way.
Make a thread on /vm/ and gauge interest.
That's what that board is for, finding groups to play games with and talking about them.
Not generals, do not talk about players, talk about the game.
I guess it counts as dead if it's full of Europeans.
I got into it too recently, and I'm having some fun with it!
It's ass, Dofus is way better
t. Pierre, we despise Wakfu in France nobody plays that crap.
There is way more content on Dofus, the economy of this game is probably the best you will ever see (depending on the server).
Only downside is that it's hard to pick up for a newbie in 2023, this game is the WoW of France everyone played it, it's full of multi-accounts billionaires minmaxing gays and the leveling is non existant, you just get pled to lvl 200.
not that anon, but shill me on it
bored of gw2 and wanted to try tree of savior again because I had rare shit form the launch but I think it's literally dead
>japanese asanagi
Tera still running on ps5
yeah, ive been playing the new smt imagine server a bit. gonna go all out on it once its wipe happens.
>new smt imagine server
Source me, I was just thinking of playing it a week before that other big server got nuked by fatlus.
>japanese shadman
https://files.catbox.moe/wvtk7e.png
Now link the backside
https://files.catbox.moe/cvydvs.png
https://files.catbox.moe/wz0jnk.png
Built for Amani wiener.
elin hands looked so awful
I hate that the action MMO genre is stuck in Korean P2W hell. I know the west had it's chance with Wildstar and blew it, but still. At least private servers exist.
blue protocol will save mmo's
>published by amazon
so far they are what like 5 for 5 on flopped games
are there good private servers for tera erp
I miss tera but I played a castanic
I love this little bawd so much
same
i miss my little bawd too
https://imgur.com/a/DgqWm
>https://files.catbox.moe/wvtk7e.png
I bet I know what your username is becuase I enjoyed fricking you.
I play Final Fantasy XI, and I don't know if I can call it dead, but I hardly see any players outside of cities. And when I do, they are doing their own thing and we never interact. The most interaction I've had in the game is someone seeing my newb (at the time) self and wishing me good luck.
What server?
Phoenix
Oh, same. You in the Ganker /vrpg/ linkshell?
Nope, I thought about joining, but I decided against it since I very rarely play. I only log in maybe once or twice a week for an hour or two. I'm not even level 20 yet.
nta but based
this is how MMOs should be, experience it slowly, enjoy the pace one level at a time. The meme to rush came with the end-game meme
Part of me wants to rush to the endgame, but I'm just so "fascinated" with how "obtuse" everything is. It's the same feeling I get when I first played Ys I & II Chronicles or the first few Dragon Quest games. I have no idea what I'm doing or where I'm going. I have to be proactive and talk to random NPCs just to get some idea of what to do. It feels like an adventure in the sense that the game requires me to be autonomous rather than twist my head in a direction with a huge quest marker saying "GO HERE!" There are some hints, but the game is vague enough that it forces me to figure things out on my own to a certain extent.
I enjoy that aspect too. I mostly followed quest guides when going through the game, because finding that random, unmarked "???" in a huge zone gets really tiresome. However, some quests I deliberately tried to do with no help, and that was some of the most fun I've had, just exploring the maps and figuring it out on my own.
ya i play pso2 (not ngs) and guild wars 2
Albion Online?
EVE
>5000 Chrome tabs
Why. At least use a less resource hogging browser
anon I'm begging you close some fricking tabs
Show me your task manager.
>literal timeline of his day
>be jerking to 2D
>post-nut youtube watching
>back to jerking to 2D for awhile
>want to download some anime related to the previous 2D jerking
>start watching some streamer playing vidya while the anime downloads
>get bored and start jerking again to 2D
>more post-nut youtube watching
its zombie but I only read about it nowadays. still a fan
>DFO
>Zombie
DFO is like THE wowbuck game in Korea, along with Maple. No matter how much their directors frick up, they'll keep coming back.
so its like really popular but its just ran poorly?
It's "popular" in Korea and even moreso in China. DFOG and DFO NA were the ones that didn't do so good.
i dont like how you phrased popular. did you hear about the new raid?
Nexon figured the perfect milking formula long ago around when they released big bang, they made the game shittier and shittier but it still keeps playing coming back.
Hell i have spent around $40,000 USD since it released in NA.
how much!? i didnt spend that much for cosmetics. you werent getting those gold commissions were you?
>playing
players*
$40k in 18 years it not a lot.
by that average of about every month you spend on packages that is alot!
Bro DFO is constantly ranked as the biggest money maker MMORPG.
Chinese and Koreans fricking love that shit no matter what. It'll never die.
>tfw still log into Guild Wars 1 for birthday gifts
I miss this game so much
Smt online imagine as a local server is the best megaten game.
I closed 10 tabs. I will never remember what I was saving in those tabs ever again. Are you happy?
Billion dollar idea for the next Notch lurking Ganker
Mesugaki MMO
For me its starwars galaxies.
I play retail WoW and RS3 so yeah.
I play Wurm Online whenever I have a chance to get at it.
I refuse to play any game with any content that allows >1 human player simultaneously. However I do wish to cum inside MSGKs.
as long as there's at least 20 players worldwide, it's not dead
>"DO YOU PLAY THIS VIDEO GAME THAT'S BEEN SHUT DOWN AND CAN'T BE PLAYED ANYMORE?"
gee anon i dunno
Yes, less people means less competition for the good shit
I tried to get back into lotr recently but it just didn't feel good. A shame too because I have a lifetime subscription so I could get a bunch of shit for free
I quit online multiplayer games entirely when I realized I hate my gameplay experience being held hostage by the devs at every given moment.
>you have time this week to play extra, might as well grind raids for gear
>oh wait the devs are holding everyone hostage because poopsockers might quit the game for a month after gearing up in a day
many such cases!
It's not even about accounting for poopsockers, it's about some case study showing that forcing people to play on a routine such as through dailies creates an addictive pattern that will make you more likely to sunk cost the game harder in the long term, just like rigged winrates in matchmaking games.
Shill me a "dead" (AKA not wow or ff14) MMO to play right now. please im so fricking bored
Horizon FFXI
City of Heroes
https://thunderspygaming.com/
>City of Heroes
Wow, it's been awhile since I heard that name.
Ragnarok private servers.
Lord of the Rings Online
All of you saying retail wow really dont know the defenition of what dead means
Who ELSWORD here
no
I play #Me...
I tried that yesterday but the controls seem to suck hard. Also hate watching ads for shit.
These graphics are WAY TOO GOOD for Mabinogi
Just shuffling around between games until Blue Protocol. All the MMO's I love are either dead, dying, or ruined by devs.
It has been on the brink of death twice already
Game?
Mabinogi
or Eden Eternal
or
Aura Kingdom
I liked Aura Kingdom but at the same time the collection was fricking obnoxious.
That is what fuels me, collecting all the pets and costumes
Action combat has never worked in an MMORPG because the average player has 150ms ping. Adding more server locations doesn't fix the problem when you don't have enough players.
slow combat system = less servers = active MMO even with a small small userbase
Unfortunately most of them are designed to be singleplayer games for solo players so they can have the flashy combat system that looks good in the trailer.
It worked great in TERA.
The problem in general is that it's running a server with ~200 people online playing, and this is if they separate the world zones.
So even if you have ~15 ms ping, the server is going to cater to those with ~200 ms ping and make your experience shittier.
Wouldn't instance combats like Wakfu/ JRPGs work?
That'd also be fine to do great turn based combat like Open XCOM.
In any case EverQuest and WoW atrocious combat killed the genre in it's infancy, what a shame.
>Wouldn't instance combats like Wakfu/ JRPGs work?
It already works just fine, just look at Vindictus.
The problem is that these are not MMOs anymore. Sure, by definition they could be an MMO, but they don't have the experience of coming by someone out in the wild getting smacked by mobs and coming to help them and making a friend. Or coming across someone doing the same quest and asking to party, and going through the game together. You instead have the experience of a lot of solo instances of which you need someone else to know you're on a certain part of the content in order to participate beforehand. Chance encounters, which is the heart and soul of MMORPGs, are thrown to the wind on instanced games.
But Vindictus is not a MMO. Again the example of what I ask would be Wakfu, if Wakfu had good combat, and good action combat in particular like a fighting game or an arena shooter.
There's nothing massive about MMOs anymore. Wikis killed MMOs' sense of scale, datamining and streaming killed MMOs' sense of mystery, and guides killed MMOs' sense of freedom, social media and developer bad faith killed MMOs' sense of community. There isn't much difference between open world exploration and instanced dungeon selection lobbies because all the abstract gameplay concepts that are lost with instancing are dead anyway.
Doesn't wakfu have like two or three servers because their combat system is turn based and ping is never an issue?
Two, one French speaking and one international.
>implying the average player has 150 ping
>implying the average player has more than 80 ping
shazibby shazooby your opinion is doody
You greatly overestimate American internet.
internet speed doesn't affect ping, moron
what's wrong with her shoulder blade?
Yes. I play Shaiya
Nobody Elsword? Dogshit board.
I'm considering giving Tree of Savior and Dofus/Wakfu a try, at some point. I just don't really have the free time at the moment. I have played PSO2 for some time, as well... which sort of counts these days.
the downfall of ToS is tragic, that game had a lot of sovl. very nice environments and music, tons of class interesting class combinations
sadly nowadays you just skip 90% of the content while rushing to max level with insane exp boosts and OP weapons they gift you, so you can join the tiny remainder of the playerbase.
the whole leveling experience is gone and progression is shit. i'm mad
New ToS server by Papaya is coming soon that reverses a lot of that.
>reverses a lot of that.
Doubt it. Last I heard it was literally just a restarted retail version with no changes.
Reminder that the Ganker guild legit got the world first guild summon boss on the English release.
I'm really skeptical because they are really notorious for making re-runs and cash shop gouges.
If it's good though I'll roll through again
I mean not really. They usually curtail p2w and try to foster a small community for a game that was either dead or dying. La Tale is a good example of that.
that's good to hear. Is there a site with their own community or is it just leddit?
Only thing right now is an official discord for it, and their website.
I've seen a video about it. Apparently characters can just start at level 300 or so? The whole design of the game seems geared towards hanging around and just casually grinding, to the point where there's a class dedicated to putting up a camp to buff equipment and gain passive recovery bonuses. But who is going to bother with the grind from level 1 outside just the morbid curious? I couldn't even convince people to join in, since they'd obviously ask the question about why grind from Lv.1 when you start at Lv.300.
I'll probably try it out anyway, just to see how stuff like the shieldbasher and cryomancer builds actually work in the game. Starting that high level does mean that I should be able to put together builds easily. I might even start up from Lv.1 as well, since smacking enemies and watching them go pop was fairly satisfying. At least I could see what the developers made that was left for dead.
>I've seen a video about it. Apparently characters can just start at level 300 or so?
Yeah, and they can clear dungeons with a scroll
Keep in mind, this is a game that was designed to have 3 different support classes made for parking in a field, making a camp, and gaining EXP from people fighting monsters nearby. Now, nobody uses them.
i play gw2 from time to time
I feel like game devs are obsessed with the "game" part of it like they're making a single player that happens to be massively online. In reality, the social and grinding aspects are more important. The game has to have enough to do without constant content drops through grinding and has to be comfy for social/ERP purposes, which is a lot of what people do in these games.
Because MMOs are no longer made for people who want to play MMOs.
why do I feel like I'm the one who wrote that?
or at least something very similar to it.
anon, you write without caps now? have you become stupid, too? based, regardless
> have you become stupid, too?
I mean, I'm still on Ganker after seven to ten years
>seven to ten years
Been here since the beginning. I regret every second.
it seems like you may have lost that drive/passion you once had, too. happens to the best of us
True
Yeah I don't get it. It's basically e-sex with a human, not cooming to pictures or porn, and sex is part of social life. They think they can make an sterilized social experience which just makes it cold and unfun, so people play their single player games because why not? What's the difference? They don't even have to put in explicit sex aspects, just make it comfortable with housing and social areas with a functional chat system that encourages RP.
>They think they can make an sterilized social experience which just makes it cold and unfun
And this is true for everything besides sex, as well.
When was the last time a cooking skill in a game was used to make food for a party that wasn't just a powerup? Or a social job in an MMO was something you could use with other people outside of combat?
Some of my best friends I made fishing in Runescape. Most games now discourage trying to fish around other people. Or having social interaction at all.
>pic
that's a very, very moronic take
what's sad is that you probably screenshotted your own post because i can't see anyone agreeing to it to such extent
Found the tumor.
>i can't see anyone agreeing that MMOs are about sharing a world full of adversity and interacting with people to find clever solutions to problems rather than grinding item levels inside closed instances
Of course you can't, because you hate MMOs.
What would classify as a "MMORPG" in terms of gameplay by the standards of these posts? I'm not trying to troll or bait, I'm honestly curious. My only reference for MMORPGs are Korean F2Ps (P2Ws), which to my knowledge generally tried to copy WoW's success.
I've never played a KMMO but I think as a baseline an MMO should be, essentially, hostile to the player. A lone player should feel vulnerable and helpless because the entire point of an MMO is to band together and form new friendships to overcome problems. That also means forcing players to actually engage with that dangerous world rather than fast traveling around. That curates the kind of game where a high level player will be passing through and see a lowbie in danger, and they'll stop to help because they remember what that was like. And then a new friendship is made.
Yes. Real MMOs haven't been a thing for ages, so nobody who would be working on MMOs today would remember that this was once the basic idea, though.
This.
The genuine hate over 'coomers' or anyone who just wants to have fun with RP online is a massive scourge than even the class trinity. MMO devs who genuinely think they can keep their social experience purely platonic and disconnecting while also advertising it as a role playing game online with other people.
First MMO that puts in sex aspects would rake in dough.
Yes, I play Dragon Ball Online and no I am not a Hispanic. The game is infested with them though.
and that's why we need more sandbox PvP MMORPGs like Eve or Albion. You can't run out of content when there is no endgame or vertical progression that's making old content obsolete as you "play through" it.
I used to play Wildstar and TERA before they shut down. I really liked Wildstar a lot and miss it dearly.
I tried playing WoW, Classic, and XIV, but at the end of the day all anyone wants to do is raid log so I always end up playing alone for 99% of the time I'm online, and when it's time to raid I've gotta sit in discord with a bunch of homosexuals who care more about parsetroony shit than just simply beating the boss or people b***hing about loot because muh bis.
Literally? Hellgate: London. Brought from the dead as a SP-only game, heavy grinding and huge empty levels included.
I need more dead MMORPGs lazily retroffited as a SP game. I love grinding in complete solitude.
Guild Wars PFNEotN. Never speak with another person ever again.
Your post feels vagely threatening... Thanks for the rec, though.
It's not a threat, I'm saying you will never speak with another person again because the playerbase is practically nonexistent now, and there is a lot of stuff that you can grind.
https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Kind_of_a_Big_Deal
https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Hall_of_Monuments
https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Skill
I play XIV
Good luck with the recovery. I hope you feel more you after your surgery.
Which is a dead mmo
I really wanted to like FF14, but I couldn't do it after 60 hours of actively trying to like it.
FF14 can be fun, but it's community fricking sucks and only gets worse as the years go by.
t. someone who has played FF14 since 2.0
I I think it's a me problem, FF14 just doesn't give me what I want in an MMO.
Yes.
Honestly for me Blue Protocol is the last hope for me that I have for MMORPGs. The social aspects of the game + forcing players to interact via. zone grinding + long leveling experience. Every MMO nowadays just feels like it's either made by people that haven't played a lot of MMOs; or for people that don't even like MMOs.
>Featuring a dynamic action combat system, deep character customization, and an epic story set in a vast world
>you become the hero of your very own anime adventure
I don't know what you're talking about. This sounds like something that's been designed by people who don't play MMOs.
That's just marketing fluff to attract a playerbase. If you played the betas in JP it's the opposite. There is a story for the game as it's a Bandai game.
>photo mode
Trying to appeal to the FF14 crowd?
I mean, perhaps it will turn out good. I'm less inclined to try jumping into a new one at this point. But it's good to keep an eye on it and see how it turns out.
everyone who played the beta says it sucks
We have fallen so low people are shilling bamcos newest in game store.
it is time
https://imgur.com/a/27s82
>https://imgur.com/a/27s82
I know half of these elins. If you played on celestial hills as an elin ERPer i've probably fricked you
grown ass men
I'm playing Guild Wars 1 right now. Anniversary event's on, boys.
I want to go back to Vindictus
the last dead mmo ive played is Blade and soul now im play gacha mmo
im just waiting for Dragon nest remake..