Yeah, basically they are forced to buy in bulk, when they can't sell those units they sell them to stores like Ollie's. Comic book industry is really dumb. I'm glad that manga is taking over. I don't read manga and I dislike anime, but it is what it is.
I barely read comics, not even sure what separates a comic from a graphic novel, but I did read Geiger recently it was ok. Marvel and DC stuff is pure trash for the last decades though
Today, the comic book industry is a joke compared to the manga industry, but honestly this has been a long time coming and it makes total sense.
It's not just that burgers have bad taste and are untalented (that's part of it) but manga has always been a mainstream industry in japan, whereas american comics, even in their best years, were always considered to be undergound and quite niche.
Japs just happened to latch onto the format more, trains probably helping out a lot considering that's where a lot of downtime is spent.
The more popular the format, the more people who want to work in that format. On the flip side lets look at video games, a very mainstream industry in the states. Look at how many burger game devs there are.There's no shortage of them, but comic book authors are a very rare breed. Even if you think you see a lot, trust me, there's not that many compared to japan.
The less comics being produced, the longer it could take to come across a real winner. Also the less people working in an industry the more narrow the creative scope is.
Any time a comic is really popular it gets a TV show and people just watch it that way because the average westerner has a better chance of consuming a story while they're at home on the couch rather than on the go.
Real difference more than anything is that comics are designed and aimed at children, or at least of all ages with only a small amount aimed at adults, even if the main fanbase of comics are now adults.
Manga is designed for adults mainly and the content of stories are more complex and philosophical etc because of it.
There's also cultural promotion.
Japan will prop up the manga industry even more with cultural programs and prizes, whereas the US has a habit of looking down on their comic book industry.
Look at Belgium or France where national comics were huge because of the culture that existed.
Comics used to be sold on Newstands and there were Superhero stories in Newspapers as well. It was around the late 80s and early 90s where the shift went from selling at the Newstands to Direct to Consumer model with Comic Book shops. The reason most of the super hero movies are about heroes before this happened says a lot.
Yep. I remember begging my mom or saving money to buy X-Men comics whenever we'd go grocery shopping or stop at a convenience store. Pulling them off those shelves fricked the comics industry forever.
It wasn't just that.
The collectors market did more damage. Everyone saw that mint condition comic books from the 30's-60's sold for hundreds of thousands of dollars, and so now instead of marketing to normal people, they listened to collectors. >Comic books start being printed on higher quality paper, thus jacking up prices, because of collectors wanted more durable paper and not the cheap newsgrade stuff you still find in manga to this day, instead of just reserving that paper for intentionally more expensive trades. >Comic books have multiple variant covers because of collectors, but the only way for shops to get those collector variants is for them to order a shit ton of the normal variants, thus sticking shops with a bunch of basic issues they'll never sell just to get the profitable variants. >Niche comic books get pushed to the back of the store and get no exposure because collectors are primarily interested in Marvel and DC, thus they never pick up a big audience unless they're super lucky or built up an established audience at those companies before going indie. Thus the market is flooded with capeshit and other genres struggle. >Events. Collectors love event issues. More events. We need MORE EVENTS. Let's alienate the average consumer. What? You just want to read Batman? Sorry. If you want to understand the next 6 issues of Batman, you need to buy 6 issues of Ultra Crisis on Infinite Infinities. But to truly understand that plot, we need you to also buy 3 issues of Supergirl, 6 issues of Action Comics, 5 issues of Justice League, 2 issues of Plastic Man, 3 issues of Green Lantern, and this one shot giant sized Blue Bettle. Also we'll be heavily featuring Super Hades as the main villain, but that means nothing to you if you didn't read a 32 issue Wonder Woman run from 6 years ago.
If comic books were sold up front at the cash-register in stores or even just had a rack at Wal-Mart I guarantee you comics would explode and become popular again. Game stores and Comic Book Shops becoming the sole means of distribution was a fricking moronic decision and completely killed their presence in America
Pure, unfiltered Gankerpe. Captain America could personally deliver comics to every American in the country, for free, and people still wouldn't read them. Because capeshit comics are--for the most part--awfully written, have no appealing characters, are void of any creativity and are terribly drawn.
Okay let's just keep the scope narrow and make sure there's no public interest in them whatsoever. Bros why is it all capeshit that fails to draw in new readers? How could this be happening??? Let's tighten the scope even further and reduce comic sales down to one (1) possible entrypoint.
Yeah, the general culture around American media that isn't live action tends to be "For kids" and so it remains something you're meant to have some shame for into your teenage years and adulthood.
Some blame can also be cast at the comics industry for not dissuading that view- they still focus primarily on the same handful of brands and still make it incredibly obtuse to get into them for a new reader.
Real difference more than anything is that comics are designed and aimed at children, or at least of all ages with only a small amount aimed at adults, even if the main fanbase of comics are now adults.
Manga is designed for adults mainly and the content of stories are more complex and philosophical etc because of it.
>Manga is designed for adults mainly and the content of stories are more complex and philosophical etc because of it.
I'm surprised nobody in this thread has called you a homosexual yet.
If anything, I would say comics are ironically the more mature medium in terms of target demographic, which is part of why they fail. They use gruffer art styles, tend to be far wordier, and their content often will skew towards social commentaries or themes that would be more appealing to someone in college than someone in middle school.
Manga on the other hand is predominately for young kids as the intended audience. Most manga are released in the shounen demographic, the vast majority of anime adaptations either pull from that demographic or from light novels (which are primarily consumed by teenagers, they're a Japanese equivalent to YA if you want to be reductive), and in the fan translation scene most of the focus will inevitably go towards more wish fulfillment or shounen leaning works. What fricking manga have you been reading?
I think you misunderstand.
For simplicity sake.
Spiderman or batman was originally aimed at fantastical stories for childrens entertainment.
they dont have stories about metaphysical or philosophical musings about reality or what it is to be human.
Now over time, especially because kids dont read comics, they play vidya or are on tiktok or some shit, comics demographics have changed to support the fans who were kids and are now adults (just like vidya tbh)
Now manga, are more often than not created by adults for adults.
they have stories about slices of life, stories about romance, or philosophical musings about humanity, or death.
I mean shit look at GitS, a story about transhumanism and what it means to have a soul (ghost).
You aint getting that type of complexities in a fricking captain america superhero comic shit.
>Now over time, especially because kids dont read comics, they play vidya or are on tiktok or some shit, comics demographics have changed to support the fans who were kids and are now adults (just like vidya tbh)
Comics were ostensibly leaning into more mature and thoughtful narratives overall since the mid to late 80s. Death in the Family, the comic even that lead into the complete change of Batman's character, how his world would be presented, and killed off Robin was 1988. The reason the 90s are period where you got a lot of shit people love and a lot of shit people hate is because so much of comics were going back to their more 'mature' roots but went way farther than the old horror anthologies that used to be release. >Now manga, are more often than not created by adults for adults.
They are not. Most manga published still target a school age audience, typically in the realm of pre-HS. It's just Japan doesn't have this weird shame about reading media that targets a younger readerbase. >they have stories about slices of life, stories about romance
Neither of these are topics that are uniquely for adults. In fact, romance in manga was pushed far more by shounen narratives in the 60s, 70s, and 80s (most notably Masami Kurumada's portrayal in Ring ni Kakero and Saint Seiya, as well as the ongoing quest for Kenshiro's wiener that was constantly happening in Hokuto no Ken), and those manga were and still are for children. >look at GitS
Ghost in the Shell is what, nearly 40 years old? Why bring it up?
>Manga on the other hand is predominately for young kids as the intended audience.
i dont think that the manga of the dude that killed his family and forced his siter to prostitution is for kids bro
Learn what words mean moron.
There's also been plenty of manga with harsher themes intended for children.
Ashita no Joe has the main character kill his rival in a fight and spiral into depression (to the point where he vomits blood whenever he punches someone in the head), and eventually he suffers brain damage and dies.
All the reasons as to why manga has dominated US comics is over-discussed so all I'll say is that I hope the industry makes a turn around. Good american comics are still made and I should read more of them but that industry is in massive need of a shake up.
You misunderstand his point, there are manga that's absolutely only made for adults, just like comics made only for adults, but in Japan far more kids and teens read manga than American kids and teens read comics. There's far more of it, far more of it is advertised and made for them, they have big shiny prime kid time airing slots for anime to get kids to buy the manga and constantly have new things for kids to get interested and read, instead of the 80th re-imagining of Spider-man. There are indie/small comics aimed at teens but the vast majority of teens aren't gonna find that. Even amongst capeshit most modern runs (from the little I've read) are more geared towards older manchild audiences.
And the person I was responding to was asserting that there was a recent course change to more "mature" topics, rather than what I stated about it starting in the 80s.
I agree, children under 16 years of age should not be allowed to read that material. My state recently banned access to pornographic websites without a physical ID. I think the same should apply to manga.
All the reasons as to why manga has dominated US comics is over-discussed so all I'll say is that I hope the industry makes a turn around. Good american comics are still made and I should read more of them but that industry is in massive need of a shake up.
You misunderstand his point, there are manga that's absolutely only made for adults, just like comics made only for adults, but in Japan far more kids and teens read manga than American kids and teens read comics. There's far more of it, far more of it is advertised and made for them, they have big shiny prime kid time airing slots for anime to get kids to buy the manga and constantly have new things for kids to get interested and read, instead of the 80th re-imagining of Spider-man. There are indie/small comics aimed at teens but the vast majority of teens aren't gonna find that. Even amongst capeshit most modern runs (from the little I've read) are more geared towards older manchild audiences.
>I would say comics are ironically the more mature medium in terms of target demographic >and their content often will skew towards social commentaries or themes that would be more appealing to someone in college than someone in middle school
What do you consider mature topics that your favourite manga cover.
Typically, comics have been more focused on social activism, race relations, societal issues, etc.
There was even a recent Punisher run all about confronting the issues with the character and concluding with him being forced to find a different coping mechanism after his wife resurrects and rejects him.
This isn't me saying any of these things are good, but they're clearly directed towards an older audience, likely in planning they are told to direct their work at 20 somethings more than any other demographic.
Comparatively, the current most popular manga do fit nicely in with the younger crowds.
Oshi no Ko is a standard soap opera type revenge story, you have standard wish fulfillment stuff staying high in the ranks like Slime Datta Ken, a boy's soccer manga "Blue Lock" is still fairly popular, and there's always a slew of battle manga that maintain popularity and still primarily target younger readers. These include >Jujutsu Kaisen >ONE PIECE >Kengan Omega >Chainsaw Man
And beyond that there's typical fluffy "will they won't they" romances flooding the top which are so obviously only consumed by the perpetually alone or high schoolers.
Again, none of this is to say "Woah, comics covers these so much DEEPER and NUANCED topics", I honestly haven't read a comic in over decade. I have three full bookshelves of manga and the only comics I still own is some 70s Bugs Bunny ones my dad gave me when I was six. But, my point was that the moron saying that manga is read by more people because it's "more mature and philosophical" was a fricking moronic homosexual, because the vast majority of people read manga due to it being easy to digest in its themes and content, and because they want to jerk off to it in some capacity. Simple as.
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>There was even a recent Punisher run all about confronting the issues with the character
Jesus
>with him being forced to find a different coping mechanism after his wife resurrects and rejects him
This reads like something someone on /misc/ would make up to get angry about.
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Nah, it got spammed around a lot so I inevitably saw it, and it was very clearly targeting the demographic I described. It was very wordy, went over relationship issues more complex than "A-An indirect kiss?!", and it ultimately sought to pursue more complex directions with its character. I didn't really give a shit since it was the culmination of an arc I hadn't read and the art was terrible, but it was an even that happened.
>black people good and cucking the Punisher is mature storytelling
>moron misses the point
>comics have been more focused on social activism, race relations, societal issues
And how exactly is that mature? These are things you used to learn about in children's tv shoes.
Ah yes, "tv shoes".
Anyways, you're probably the type of person that couldn't separate Malcom X from an episode of Sesame Street where Ernie learns not to hall the orange fricker "Orange" or something.
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>you're probably the type of person that couldn't separate Malcom X from an episode of Sesame Street where Ernie learns not to hall the orange fricker "Orange" or something.
Are you going to make an argument or what? Because saying its not okay to be racist isn't exactly a mature subject no matter how you dress it up.
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I didn't miss anything, getting a stablished character and subverting them is not particulary interesting on its own, specially if it's hamfisted like your Punisher example.
Also "race relations", what sort of discussion will 2020's writers bring to the table on these topics? How hood black culture can be a issue to black people themselves? How politicians manipulate black comminities to consolidate more power? How the media overrepresent police brutality to further poison race relations?
Nah, probably more George Floyd wank.
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lol black communities manipulate politicians to consolidate power, black women took over government work. first lefties come in and want to diversify the place then the nigresses hide all the government jobs to nepotistically give them out which is why only black women staff city offices. might not even work out for communism either.
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>comics have been more focused on social activism, race relations, societal issues
And how exactly is that mature? These are things you used to learn about in children's tv shoes.
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>black people good and cucking the Punisher is mature storytelling
I don't consider "mature topics" to be something that makes a work good by default. But "racism bad" is something they teach you in primary zogschool, there is nothing particularly mature about any of that.
Boiling down to "le mature topics" is a sign of immaturity itself, but I'll try. You want mature storytelling, read Vinland Saga's farm arc >slavery >the value of hard work >the unfairness of the world >the futility of revenge >the futility of war >how culture can shape us into doing attrocities
and more
When ANY comic reach the levels of kino of Thorfinn getting the final punch out of 100 punches and finally earning his audience with Canute then you can talk about maturity, saying racism bad is not mature, I learned that shit in 3rd grade
>Vinland Saga
Main character sounds like a cucked gay with that "I have no enemies" shit, and the author crying like a b***h when he saw his kids play fighting and telling themselves to not fight back if attacked
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You don't actually care about discussion
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>a cucked gay with that "I have no enemies" shit
Did you read it? Do you know why he ended up like that?
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He was a murder hobo or some shit before that, I get him becoming a pacifist who wants to avoid killing or harming people. But him becoming a turbo pacifist is gay
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Go read it, if you're oversimplifying his character as a "murder hobo" it's because you don't know the story.
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>Dad gets acked by Vikings >Is captured by them and fights alongside them for a while and desires revenge against head Viking for killing his dad >Guy dies before he gets the chance to kill him >Is sad because he didn't get to kill him but is also sad because he sorta liked the guy
None of this changes the fact him turning into a turbo pacifist b***h is gay
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moron.
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Anonymous
Vinland Saga was kino until halfway through the Farm Arc. The minute Gardar shows up it goes to shit. All the character development and arcs for Snake, Einarr, and Olmar get thrown out the window so Thorfinn can engage in the same moronic philosophy that got his dad killed and him traumatized for life, and for heaven and earth itself to tie itself in a knot so he can have an unearned win for his stupid philosophy.
Yes, war is bad, you did a good job conveying that in previous arcs without being a preachy butthole about it. The second half of the Farm Arc reads like the author was concerned people didn't understand war is bad and shot his own story in the foot to bludgeon the reader over the head with that message.
Everything you describe was covered in Mobile Suit Gundam, a 70s cartoon for children.
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Yes, a 70s cartoon about huge robots is more mature than current year western comic slop, thanks for proving my point
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then there are no mature topics unless its le edgy sex sex rape shit which is also not mature
everything is immature because cartoons exist depicting those topics in a way, even if just one
bravo lol
Makoto Yukimura is a monstrous homosexual, i hate him and disagree with him on a lot of things. Vinland Saga is one of my favourite anime/manga of all time, it is simply phenomenal (probably by complete accident[turns to shit after the slave arc anyway]).
LVCIVS ARTORIVS CASTVS is one of the best written characters in fiction in general.
>I would say comics are ironically the more mature medium in terms of target demographic >and their content often will skew towards social commentaries or themes that would be more appealing to someone in college than someone in middle school
>Japs just happened to latch onto the format more
Look into "Seduction of the Innocent" if you want to understand why American comics declined heavily in the 50s-60s and what set the stage for capeshit to choke out the rest of the medium.
It's not just that, a combination excessive capeslop and Disney running said capeslop movie adaptations into the ground, ruined the potential going for western comics. (Just like how they fricking ruined western animation.)
Don't forget the awful price to content ratio compared to manga since comic book sellers STILL have not moved past the speculator boom that went bust like 30 years ago. Or how having multiple writers swap places hurts the quality of the storylines. Or any number of the 100+ problems that make the American comic industry look like a bunch of dementia patients
>Marvel and DC consolidate their resources into pushing a small handful of existing characters for decades instead of fostering new franchises and IPs, all the while strangling any competitors out of the industry >as a result, there is no way for new writers/artists to really experiment and cut their teeth on because corporate suits are too involved in the process >abandons the regular comics format to cater to the collectors/enthusiast market - general availiability is abysmal >medium never really matured because of aforementioned corporate meddling (adamant refusal to experiment with themes or topics because that would risk their quarterly profits)
Pic related is a very real problem.
It'd be like if the Japanese manga industry pumped out Doraemon, Kinnikuman, KochiKame and ShinChan, then made nothing but iterations of those for the next 50 years.
Instead, there's a constant revolving door of new blood and new franchises for a variety of audiences on fairly regular schedules. This keeps things fresh and exciting for consumers new and old.
Marvel and DC could easily attempt to revive things by pushing some kind of sponsored webcomics initiative (find some high profile webcomics, offer to support the artist with wages/production in exchange for more regular releases), but they won't because they're incapable of doing anything for the health of the industry at the expense of their annual profits.
Don't care if my opinion doesn't go against the grain, I personally don't like it because of those two big issues. But hey if you like it more power to you I suppose.
I thought that too, but then part way through I found myself tearing up over these dipshit cartoon characters. Oda is just really good at writing very human relationships between his characters.
>Instead, there's a constant revolving door of new blood and new franchises for a variety of audiences on fairly regular schedules.
Honestly, it's fricking mindblowing how Kimetsu no yaiba just ended after becoming a worldwide phenomenon.
This shit is why I never touched comics, ontop of it being harder to find stuff worthwhile that isnt superhero related. Manga just has so much variety and its straight forward. Start with issue one, everything is self contained.
Comics also suffer from different writers. Every fricking loser kid comes in thinking THEY will be the one to fix Spiderman and re-start him for like the 12th time now
>IPs are more closely tied to the parent company instead of the original creatives >company finds massive success in these IPs >refuses to give any new IPs a chance because its too risky >instead just passes these IPs around to different creatives ibecause they think brand recognition is an infinite money hack >reboots and separate timelines left right and center because there's too much fricking baggage to work with and the suits won't approve anything else >if it doesn't immediately sell gangbusters (modest success or neutral reception is also a no-no) it gets cancelled after a few volumes
there's also the issue of printing. American comics have been traditionally cheap magazines whereas manga is printed in a paperback format so its sturdier and less cumbersome to take with you
>One Piece.
This series is too fricking stupid to take seriously and its such a slog trudging through all the garbage to get to the good stuff. I think weebs have some of the worst media bias in existence, second only to tendies.
>whereas american comics, even in their best years, were always considered to be undergound and quite niche.
What? Up until the 90s or so comics were everywhere because, you know, there was nothing else to do and they were like 10 cents.
You're also kind of ignoring the markets. The big comic companies literally made a legal deal that you can ONLY go though the direct market to buy comics, meaning you have to go to speciality retailers to buy them.
Some kind of long text full of cope.
Comics went bankrupt because they started going woke, and even when sales declined and even when the most hardcore fans stopped buying comics they doubled down.
Simple as.
Nope.
I never got into comics because there's decades worth of content, with no real clear beginning or end.
You can't pick up "Batman" and read it, there's 50 different versions of Batman, from 50 different artists, that all have their own interpretation of the character.
Don't believe me?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Batman_comics
Oh sorry, there's MORE than 50. Absolutely ridiculous.
Where's the definitive experience for Batman? There is none, at least in comic form. Batman: The Animated Series is considered to be the definitive experience, which is why it's a beloved series to this day.
Manga on the other hand, is very clear where it begins and ends.
For example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fist_of_the_North_Star_chapters
This is Fist of the North Star, a legendary manga, it has 245 chapters and 27 volumes. Buronson wrote it and Tetsuo Hara illustrated it. End of fricking story.
That isn't to say western comics don't have such examples, they just aren't as common, and nobody really wants to read the more than 50 artist interpretations of Batman except for hardcore fans, which is why it doesn't sell.
There are three Batman movies made by three different directors starring three different actors portraying a different version of Batman which all crossed $800+ million at the box office within the last 15 years.
The best Batman stories are ironically the things that are their own continuity.
You can just read Batman Year One.
You can just read The Long Halloween.
You can just read Gotham By Gaslight.
You can just read The Dark Knight Returns.
You can even read the Batman Adventures comics and all they require is that you've watched Batman The Animated Series.
It's easy as so many of those stories can be read as stand alone stories that only require you to know that Bruce Wayne's parents were killed in front of him, and it inspired him to be Batman.
The problem is keeping up with the actual Batman comic book.
>in their bwst yearsconsidered to be underground and niche
They were sold in newspaper stands and a ton of other places for a long time and fairly popular. I wouldn't call that underground or niche.
They're not wrong.
People like manga because a lot of it is made by degenerates just like the consumer, while a lot of comics are made by blue haired starbucks sipping artschool graduates who like to lecture their readers.
And somehow the former always has more sophisticated writing, because it comes from a place of passion and not a sense of smug superiority.
I don't know the name of a single living western comic book writer. In fact, I barely know the title of any western comic books, not beyond Spiderman, and Batman, Superman anyway. I think this illustrates the absolute state of things perfectly.
Western comics are primarily made by companies. The production staff is told what to do, and they do it.
Manga has a lot more variety and allows for more experimentation.
That's the funny thing: the western comic industry has plenty of non-superhero comics. Horror, thriller, science fiction, etcetera.
The problem is that westerners don't buy them because they prefer to buy superhero shit so said non-cape comics are always pretty niche and never make enough waves to generate a change on the industry.
Why are you using the word "western" when you just mean american. This is not the case for Europe.
Europe is completely irrelevant in terms of media. Literally the only EU comic I know of is Asterix. I an certain comics in Europe have much more in common with American comics than with manga, hence the fitting term "western."
I often just associate "Western" with the Anglosphere. The rest of Europe hasn't produced anything culturally relevant (especially in mass media) in the past century.
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British music has a lot of influence on American music, and vice versa
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Agreed, that's why I said "Anlgosphere" (US, Canada, UK, Australia, etc.)
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British music has a lot of influence on American music, and vice versa
oh you said anglosphere, I'm dumb
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>I often just associate "Western" with the Anglosphere. The rest of Europe hasn't produced anything culturally relevant (especially in mass media) in the past century.
Exactly. Europe is basically culturally irrelevant in 2k24.
British music has a lot of influence on American music, and vice versa
It does, but it's not Europe. It's part of the Anglosphere.
>I an certain comics in Europe have much more in common with American comics
Comics in Uk are for children.
I haven't seen a comic here outside of in head shops that have a small comic area for decaes.
As a kid there were childrens comics, denis the menace for example (beano) and some sexual adult stuff, light innuendo comics.
but then there is graphic novel authors.
The watchmen is british
judge dredd
tank girl
Constantine
Many more done by british guys.
Though that was probably by a small subculture not a large pop culture
This but I'll extend the complaint about rehashing to manga and anime too. 99.9% of it is rehashed shit. We dont need any more monkey king stories. We don't need any more harem stories. We don't need any more isekai.
At least the art is pleasing to look at unlike western shit that just looks like noise on a page.
>We dont need any more monkey king stories. We don't need any more harem stories. We don't need any more isekai.
Anon, do you even know what you're saying right now? I mean, when you say isekai what kind of series come to mind?
Too many to name. Especially when you come to realize even Mario is technically an isekai.
The current trend of unhappy person being magically transported to a fantasy realm where they are the chosen one in particular is WAY overdone.
I can at least find new mangas with niche ideas every now and then. The manga industry seems far more open to giving new talent a shot, even if its just a few black and white pages
That's the funny thing: the western comic industry has plenty of non-superhero comics. Horror, thriller, science fiction, etcetera.
The problem is that westerners don't buy them because they prefer to buy superhero shit so said non-cape comics are always pretty niche and never make enough waves to generate a change on the industry.
Pic related.
The western comic book industry was pretty diverse on its infancy and superhero comics only were a part of it... until the moral guardians decided to declare them the scapegoat for everything wrong with youth and managed to convince the industry to self-policy itself.
The only comic books that could be legally published without offending the comic code were cape comics, so the entire industry focused on them, killing the medium on its crib.
everyone ignores western comics because all they produce is capeshit, nobody makes anything but capeshit and nobody buys capeshit and idiots like you take this to mean the only thing that will sell is capeshit despite the overwhelming evidence proving capeshit actually isn't wanted by literally fricking anyone and all it's all just preachy propaganda by the out of touch woke moron classists and racist bigots
Dark horse is mid, IDW is for sonic and megaman, and admittedly I don't know anything about avatar. The logo kinda reminds me of Valiant, so lets at least try and make this video game related.
Who owns the rights to the Turok comic series now?
>darkhorse >Michael Gombos, senior director of licensed publications at Dark Horse, added: “This is our third year running for setting sales records at Dark Horse. Manga is a very small part of our total titles published—about one to one and a half percent, but in 2021, it was 66% of our gross trade publishing revenue. In 2022, that's dipped to a paltry 52%.”
>total titles published—about one to one and a half percent >it was 66% of our gross trade publishing revenue >In 2022, that's dipped to a paltry 52%.”
The people who buy manga are a new generation of young people who had manga as their first exposure to printed comics, and will move on when they grow into adulthood.
lol. lmao even. i would never be caught dead reading a western comic of any kind. capeshit in either comics or movies is the gayest form of "entertainment". i would rather watch kids movies or cheesy romcoms made for women
new comics are like "Alternate universe Spiderman has gay sex with alternate universe Iron Man and they are both brown-skinned and white people are evil"
Marvel deserves to fail. >non-stop world/universe shaking events every six months since Fear Itself >shit gets forgotten in a matter of months and back to zero again >writers who can't give two fricks about what the writers before them did >for years they tried to pander to MCU fans. MCU fans don't read comic books >killing and reviving characters more often than in Dragon Ball
That's just the tip of the iceberg.
Yep. Because the identiy with comic books has always been: >stoic unrelatable adults go on death defying action sprees every day and also every couple of years everything gets reset
It's more rare to experience somber moments of character growth that feel like seeing a friend you've been close with since school, grow up and change.
Majority of comic book characters are fully realized adults and they only exist for a few books before being retconned for a new series to start.
This is usually a superhero comic problem only but it still sucks because superheros have dominated comics since they started existing.
I'd be echoing the old (and true) points everyone has hashed out before, so to offer a new thought:
If anime and manga tried to have as much of a multiverse interconnection of everything, it would start to flounder too. You can enjoy HunterXHunter or Naruto or Demon Slayer or DBZ or One Piece as they are, no need to have to go into this rabbit's nest of other interconnected bullshit. I am sure, maybe initially, you'd have manga fans like this idea of a grand multiverse connection of things. Then it'd rapidly sour. This is not to say other elements like the moral soapboxing or what you said aren't at play for them failing, especially the death-rebirth-death-rebirth bullshit and the woke shit. See
>Where do I start with Demon Slayer
Chapter 1 >Where do I start with Batman
Well this run is good, also this seperate run is good, oh avoid this run, oh avoid anything by this artist, everything by this artist is good, do your research.
Not to mention DC and Marvel writers blatantly shoving in their agendas.
what he said too. If I wanna start on Naruto or even DBZ it's a little more intuitive than batman.
Pic related.
The western comic book industry was pretty diverse on its infancy and superhero comics only were a part of it... until the moral guardians decided to declare them the scapegoat for everything wrong with youth and managed to convince the industry to self-policy itself.
The only comic books that could be legally published without offending the comic code were cape comics, so the entire industry focused on them, killing the medium on its crib.
Funnily enough the only comics I've read any time recently that I enjoyed were something like DMZ +10 years ago, Elric a few years ago (the french ones), Y the last man like 10 years ago, Age of Bronze or whatever the Trojan war one was called awhile back too.
You're missing the forest for the trees. Manga succeeds because it is creator driven and designed to tell a story, with a beginning and end.
Comics flounder because they change writers like an std in a frat house and they are designed to continue indefinitely. Artistic vision becomes lost in the pursuit of a product.
This doesn't matter in the slightest. What matters is that you literally can't buy comics at all unless you go to a speciality store and pre-order them at a relatively high price for a handful of pages
I can go to my local bookstore right now and buy some current year comics. Or I could, if they hadn't stopped selling them because of zero customer interest kek.
yea its notorious to the fans, shame I really like the setting but it goes to shit halfway through
I'm right to assume it was some peak boomer who wrote it? If you think about it it's a little understandable why boomers were so fawning lovey dovey with Israel, both because of the geopolitical nature of it back then but also pop culture really leaned HARD on it. Pic related was on the level of Gone with the wind and Ben Hur (Note the name), the Enteppe raid had a bunch of made for tv movies and if people think slava ukraine is obnoxious I hate Russians, mind you, but slava ukraine is cringe Israel got that x1000fold in pop culture. And now all that good will is gone because they got greedy. Like tears in the rain.
To make it VIDYA related, if not for the controversies of it I'd have liked a Red Orchestra: Holy Wars where you play 67-82 conflicts. AKs and Fals and Uzis and shit, what's not to like.
You're missing the forest for the trees. Manga succeeds because it is creator driven and designed to tell a story, with a beginning and end.
Comics flounder because they change writers like an std in a frat house and they are designed to continue indefinitely. Artistic vision becomes lost in the pursuit of a product.
Yeah that's a better way of putting it I guess. The manga is a story first and foremost, even when it becomes a sensational hit (look at Toriyama's work with DBZ), while comics the original authors are long dead or sold out/bought out so it just becomes an "IP". Which is the heart of the issue, innit. Japanese stuff that does well tends to be a concept and story, Western stuff is now all IPs, be it LOTR or Star Wars or Warhammer or Star Trek or whatever.
Comics are shit because they spend all their time retelling the same stories using the same characters for decades. Why would I bother reading new shitty comics when I could just look at older ones that tell the same stories with the same characters but have better art and less blatant political injections in them?
Shits so fricking weird these days.. I have a black coworker who has the ultra instinct theme song as his ringtone, and was reading death note the other day ( said that girlfriend of light is a bad b***h I don't think he knows she's like a 15 year old child)
>Where do I start with Demon Slayer
Chapter 1 >Where do I start with Batman
Well this run is good, also this seperate run is good, oh avoid this run, oh avoid anything by this artist, everything by this artist is good, do your research.
Not to mention DC and Marvel writers blatantly shoving in their agendas.
People be like "oh just find an original comic" and I did but when it's sales dropped they still fricking threw it into a gigafrick crossover event where dudes from every other comic they owned had one big story together, and that was the entire ending. I swear the protag even just stopped showing up after some point.
This is another big issue. While lots of volumes might be intimidating, there's a clear order in manga, while comics are all over the place in terms of quality. Doesn't help you could pick two different comics from different years and have storylines going on in different universes without realizing it, or be attached to a specific verse and then suddenly there are more issues when you find out it just kind of ends abruptly.
This is literally a zoomer problem - let me break it down.
Imagine you're like, 16 in the mid 2000s and everyone's talking about how good Lost is, it's already on episode 10 and episode 11 is airing tomorrow.
What do you do in this situation? Do you go out and buy all the Lost DVDs hoping to catch up before the one airing of episode 11 happens at 9pm? Said Lost DVDs which probably don't even include episode 10 since it aired last week?
Or do you just suck it up and start watching from episode 11 so you can be part of the conversation the next day?
This is just how people consumed content back then, you went through the brand new stuff as it was coming out and maybe you'd go back to some of the old ones in your own time.
In this environment comics could thrive, because people understood that you could just pick a comic off the shelf and start reading from there, just like with TV.
Now though? Because everything's on streaming you can't start a show from the middle, you HAVE to catch up from the start before you're even allowed to touch the new content, and people think this is the only way you can experience anything - even movie and game sequels suffer from this to a certain extent, people are too moronic to just enjoy what's in front of them.
So now you can't just pick Spider-Man #1074 off the shelf to have a good time, you better go all the way back to 1962 to read all 1000 issues from the start even though they're awful and Spidey talks like a jackass.
>even movie and game sequels suffer from this to a certain extent, people are too moronic to just enjoy what's in front of them.
People insisting the entire metal gear solid series, a series of mostly disconnected stories in a larger timeline with literally HOURS of recap and exposition to catch you up, must be played in chronological order because of this fricking pisses me off to no end
Ask literally any game developer about "do I need to play the old games to get this one" and they'll go "no please play my new game don't play my shitty old game"
There are good western comics, but the vast majority are marvel and DC books that have like 50+ authors for one character over the years and no real sense of continuity or consistency.
The one thing the japs do right with their comics is let the writer do their thing until they say they want to pass the IP on or not.
Kaiji and Akagi's numerous spinoffs are all top quality despite all being made by different people. I guess that's the power of Mahjong Autism
Kobayashi-san's Dragon Maid, and Cells at Work both have a dozen spinoffs and they range from pretty good to kinda shit
And if you wanna get technical, there are billions of doujin works about popular shows made by independent artists that are sold at local manga conventions
Even my favourite comics like 2000AD and Judge Dredd go off the deep end with their politics recently (yes the series is a highly political one in the first place criticising British and American culture) its nearly impossible to find actual interesting settings or stories in western comics anymore where the focus is on its own universe, especially ones that dont force down how evil "white men" are every page instead of actually doing shit related to the story.
Manga has kino like Dorohedoro, BLAME and hundreds of other original and interesting worlds and characters. Outside of a few French comics I rarely see western comics explore their universes and instead prefer to focus on moronic shit like allegories for modern social issues or how evil we are for not supporting Israel phosphorous bombing infants. shame its hard to find translations for French comics.
Man the israelites tried so hard to push any anti-Israel views as being connected to right wing nazi's. Amazing how it all blew up in the last few months.
The MRA thing makes sense, it's just modern phrasing that sucks in context. The part about Israel is just fricking moronic. Sure, it's supposed to be a "joke", but it's an incredibly moronic one.
Sexism, racism, and anti-semitism have always been with us, so it's no surprise that a character who's the incarnation of the backwards barbaric old ways would be spouting support for all of them.
I've honestly never met a single person who buys comics. Manga and warhammer, yeah. Even one-off western graphic novels. But actual western comics? Literally never met a single person into them and I've always been a nerd.
I know people who used to, pretty much all of them burnt out and sold it all years ago. At most they just keep a couple batman omnibuses.
Yeah, the general culture around American media that isn't live action tends to be "For kids" and so it remains something you're meant to have some shame for into your teenage years and adulthood.
Some blame can also be cast at the comics industry for not dissuading that view- they still focus primarily on the same handful of brands and still make it incredibly obtuse to get into them for a new reader.
[...] >Manga is designed for adults mainly and the content of stories are more complex and philosophical etc because of it.
I'm surprised nobody in this thread has called you a homosexual yet.
If anything, I would say comics are ironically the more mature medium in terms of target demographic, which is part of why they fail. They use gruffer art styles, tend to be far wordier, and their content often will skew towards social commentaries or themes that would be more appealing to someone in college than someone in middle school.
Manga on the other hand is predominately for young kids as the intended audience. Most manga are released in the shounen demographic, the vast majority of anime adaptations either pull from that demographic or from light novels (which are primarily consumed by teenagers, they're a Japanese equivalent to YA if you want to be reductive), and in the fan translation scene most of the focus will inevitably go towards more wish fulfillment or shounen leaning works. What fricking manga have you been reading?
>comics are ironically the more mature medium in terms of target demographic
A lot of people mistake shonen stuff for being very older-teenager aimed because it's willing to have wacky comedy, a little sexuality, and some characters getting their heads cut off all in one volume. Comics feels split, characters either just knock each other out over and over or someone gets torn in half while screaming "SH*T". I don't think it's really a matter of maturity, more intended audience. I don't think comics are made for any age group.
Frankly I think they really did just get fricked over by the comics code and now they don't know what they are.
I read french comics not much gets translated anyway and some non-cape western comics. The only capes I have in my collection is Kick-Ass.
Even excessive SJW LGBTBlack person propaganda shit aside, I just can't imagine reading something scattered across 5,000 gorillions of different issues and universes and canons and not-canons and god knows what else. All of them written by 5,000 gorillion different authors with no clear vision. Seriously, capeshit was a mistake.
>I just can't imagine reading something scattered across 5,000 gorillions of different issues and universes and canons and not-canons and god knows what else. All of them written by 5,000 gorillion different authors with no clear vision
Funny how the moment they decided to organize their shit with MCU, it blew up
I ain't him but I liked the elric comics by "by Julien Blondel (Author), Didier Poli (Illustrator), Robin Recht (Illustrator)" (I just googled the amazon copy of it). I don't like the elric books, but it was well drawn and well told.
Blacksad is great too. And in retrospect I find it funny some Spanish-French authors could do a better job with fricking furries telling a captivating story in race-tense Southern USA than any hack American author can now.
oh it's worse than that. still ridiculously kino art.
What's that french author from the past? Mobius something? He might like it in terms of sheer baroque artstyle.
>Lurk Ganker when they were discovering french stuff >Check in on that front now as much as I can without actually having to go to that autist hive >LeChatVert/Bleu is dead and now all their archived shit is gone for good
Fricking worthless-ass bunch of manchildren can't do anything right except jerk off to Nickelodeon characters now.
>All of them written by 5,000 gorillion different authors with no clear vision
This is a very big one. A manga artist usually has some grand story he wants to tell, something he wants to show to the world... comic is more like many different people taking turns to frick a prostitute (a superhero of choice) while putting their "spin" on it.
If it pleases the entitled circlejerk that is any particular company's top officers and shareholders, I'm sure American companies will lie about anything they believe they'll never get caught for
Absolutely not. American entertainment products are selling just fine. The issue is that you have a bunch of snot noses nerds who think that they know everything avout everything. They keep saying "Oh this is woke, this is awful." Newsflash: the products you complain about are selling gangbusters.
To deal with Japanese competition, I just say slap a huge tariff on it or just ban it. It's all degenerate anti American crap anyway.
1. There is no need to be antisemitic. I was just stating facts. I have no idea about me being israeli has anything to do with this discussion.
2. Ad homenim attacks do not change what I am saying.
Cutting off your dick isn't American.
1. What I have done with my body is no one's concern.
2. I have no idea what me being transgender has to do with this.
lmao an actual shill
you are lying, you are dumb, you are wrong
lol
1. Not a shill. Been a fan of American comics and videogames for decades.
2. Not lying. There is data to backup what I am saying.
3. Ad homenim attacks do not work.
4. Your opinion.
Our local shop shutdown the other week. On closing day we went down and just straight up heckled the owner all afternoon. Most fun I've had in awhile. Frick these comic shops, they know what they did. No mercy.
wish there was more dark medieval fantasy manga that was actually good, very rare.
Claymore is pretty much a Beserk ripoff with girls but its fun and there are some enjoyable historical fiction manga like VInland Saga and Wolfsmund, but I need more with low fantasy shit like monsters and a bit of magic
I believe the thing about Watchmen is that a lot of its value comes from the fact that its parodying and deconstructing cape comics so unless you are familiar with superhero comics through the 60's-80's and all the endemic tropes, cliches and frequently moronic writing, you won't 'get' all of it.
>Berserk
Hey how's the next chapter coming along after that 15 year hiatus the author took?
What? He dead?No continues?No refunds?
Well so much for creator owned IPs lol.
Meanwhile everything that i read as a kid is still relevant to this day and will continue to be for generations to come whilst yours is forever not finished.
Isn't Berserk being continued by the authors assistant? Hopefully he manages to stick the landing, never read Berserk but heard a lot of great things about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70GD2SBCq64
>Artist dies >His story is passed down to his pupils he's worked with for over a decade and closest lifelong friend
Meanwhile in capeshit >Artist dies >Character is handed off to the newest employee and raped for decades with shit art, a new nonsensical story filled with extremely forced libshit ideology.
Yes but only one of these will see any progression in its story within YOUR lifetimes you weeaboo losers lmao
Anon Berserk is in its final arc, whereas cape shit will never ever end and any time the characters actually get any sort of progression they'll just reset them. Remember when Peter got One More Dayd?
>Artist dies >His story is passed down to his pupils he's worked with for over a decade and closest lifelong friend
Meanwhile in capeshit >Artist dies >Character is handed off to the newest employee and raped for decades with shit art, a new nonsensical story filled with extremely forced libshit ideology.
>Hey how's the next chapter coming along after that 15 year hiatus the author took?
His trained pupils and childhood best friend took over production and managed to sucessfully replicate his art and storytelling, next chapter is out this week.
>Meanwhile everything that i read as a kid is still relevant to this day
You're being nostalgia baited, moron
>my favorite characters in media have all been slopified so much that it doesn't even matter if the original creators haven't been involved with them in decades!
Sad.
The author fricked up because he thought he was gonna live for another 10 years. But that wasn't unreasonable since he was still pretty young. Still he could have made the story shorter.
I still like the read comics from time to time but in general it's true that the highs are much rarer than in manga and there are very few comics that go beyond a 7/10 in manga.
Alan Moore once made a guide for writing comics and his advice was just to copy Frank Miller because Miller was copying manga. This wasn't about modern Frank Miller tho.
Aren't most Western comics superhero or superhero-adjacent? Manga has series' in every possible genre and in every possible art style, but from what I've seen most comics seem to have similar art styles.
Western comics suffer from the same innate issues that western animation suffers from:
Seen as childish or niche by normies in the west, and severely constrained as far as genres/variety goes.
Anyone know the name of that one scifi comic about the last human going around fricking aliens and exploring weird space, who has also been used as the geneseed of an entire evil race of bioengineered clones
I read manga about genetically modified animal soldiers going AWOL created using a brain virus originated from a mayan tribe with canibalistic rituals recently
I feel like if this was a western comic it would have been preachy as shit, saying how the mayan canibals are all brave hearoes and how whitey is bad.
Read Kouya ni kemono doukokusu, it's cool as frick.
My guilty pleasure is dark and edgy comics.
But nowadays it's either "dark and edgy in the same way Gravity Falls is considered dark and edgy" or "dark and edgy, but capeshit".
American comic book companies don't report numbers sold, they report numbers shipped. There's a known practice among American comic book companies called overshipping where they ship free extra copies of comics to comic book shops in order to pad their numbers.
I'm not familiar with the inner workings of the industry, but is writing for DC and Marvel sort of like the entry level position? People shoving their agendas into superhero comics screams to me that they'd rather be doing something more "mature" but are stuck with capeshit.
Comics are the most poisoned by DEI shit thanks to Marvel movies hitting big, now Marvel and DC thinks it can trick foids and minorities into buying 300 issues of Black Spiderman because they think they will never lose the white male audience
that was almost ten years ago, was part of a mass relaunching of comics, was wildly unpopular in actual print, ryan north was given squirrel girl specifically because nobody actually gives a shit about her as a character, and the writing was way worse than the actual art
"i don't like it" does not mean "inorganic," this is an especially horrible argument in light of unbeatable squirrel girl being part of a mass relaunch of marvel comics in general which you probably don't know or care about, and my advice is you learn the difference between your opinions and reality
You sound like you purchased Female Thor and tweeted about it
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you sound fricking clueless about the whole subject and only go off of archetypal Ganker outrage-bait
pick up a (comic) book, Black person
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NTA >pick up a (comic) book, Black person
How? I don't understand how you're SUPPOSED to enjoy them.
Forget all the woke nonsense and pandering and whatever political complaints you have for a second.
How do you actually enjoy a story that gets reset constantly? How do you enjoy sifting through a flowchart of connected canon stories in 12 different comics just to get the full picture of a single "event"? Why would I bother?
I have tried repeatedly with different non-capeshit IPs, Spawn and The Darkness both were interesting to me. And yet every time I try and pick them up I have to also go find an autistic flowchart just to follow the story. Its like trying to follow Kingdom Hearts just for basic ass stories. Why do comic fans put up with this bullshit? When I pick up any manga I just read it in fricking order like a normal person.
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>How do you actually enjoy a story that gets reset constantly?
You read one self-contained run you like, and then pretend that everything after is non-canon. There's really no other way.
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what the other guy said, read runs, rather than worrying about an overarching plotline among the comic's entire run
Well first off you have to stop being autistic
Once you do that you realize that it literally does not matter - you don't need to know who Johnny Storm is if he shows up at the start of a Spider-Man story, he's one of Spidey's superhero friends, his relevancy begins and ends there.
The only thing you actually do need to pay attention to is like if at the end of an issue it says "continued in whatever other bullshit comic" but if it doesn't say that you can just keep reading, and if Spidey says something like "oh boy I sure am glad to have gotten rid of that Halloween costume* in issue #3 of Web of Spider-Man" just don't even bother because who the frick cares about Spider-Man having a Halloween costume you can just chalk it up to something that happened off screen lol
You really do not need to bother with all the side bullshit - even if the story you're reading happens to coincide with a big event you can just read that event for the character you care about and disregard what everyone else is doing it's fine.
So you have to act like a moron with a short attention span? Whats the point of the wider story then? Maybe I am autistic but it just seems like a shoddy way to put together a story if you're literally encouraged to not give a shit about how or why half of it is happening.
Especially with
Well first off you have to stop being autistic
Once you do that you realize that it literally does not matter - you don't need to know who Johnny Storm is if he shows up at the start of a Spider-Man story, he's one of Spidey's superhero friends, his relevancy begins and ends there.
The only thing you actually do need to pay attention to is like if at the end of an issue it says "continued in whatever other bullshit comic" but if it doesn't say that you can just keep reading, and if Spidey says something like "oh boy I sure am glad to have gotten rid of that Halloween costume* in issue #3 of Web of Spider-Man" just don't even bother because who the frick cares about Spider-Man having a Halloween costume you can just chalk it up to something that happened off screen lol
You really do not need to bother with all the side bullshit - even if the story you're reading happens to coincide with a big event you can just read that event for the character you care about and disregard what everyone else is doing it's fine.
what you said, it just seems like its encouraging the shallowest fricking shit. "Just ignore an entire character being introduced and being part of the story, with an apparently pre-established relationship, but you have zero context or background on" it sounds more like reading children's stories or AI dungeon where they just throw events together and ignore the setup it needs.
If this is how comic readers encourage you to read, then no wonder I've always found them fricking shit.
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>So you have to act like a moron with a short attention span?
For smaller characters, one run is about 6 issues long, for bigger ones it can be over 100. One run doesn't mean "Read a single issue and let that be it".
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But as you said, it DOES involve completely ignoring shit that, in a normal story, would be explained or not present. Random callbacks to other events, in a real story, are things that you would reasonably have read. Apparently in comics you are supposed to just fricking say "oopsie daisy guess I didn't read that" and just ignore it, like some ADHD moron who skips dialogue in a video game.
I guess comics are truly a children's medium, because only a child would ignore things being written about like they are supposed to know about them, yet they didn't because they're in another comic run.
Again, it just seems like a sloppy, shitty way to write a story. A clear bait to try and make people read more than they normally would to get the full context.
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>But as you said, it DOES involve completely ignoring shit that, in a normal story, would be explained or not present. Random callbacks to other events, in a real story, are things that you would reasonably have read. Apparently in comics you are supposed to just fricking say "oopsie daisy guess I didn't read that" and just ignore it, like some ADHD moron who skips dialogue in a video game.
That's what I meant with self-contained. There's stories where there are no callbacks or the callbacks are to an earlier part of the same run.
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You know I'm really glad the invisible author did an actual ending.
I jist hope he does not give in to the temptation of not ending
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what the other guy said, read runs, rather than worrying about an overarching plotline among the comic's entire run
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Well first off you have to stop being autistic
Once you do that you realize that it literally does not matter - you don't need to know who Johnny Storm is if he shows up at the start of a Spider-Man story, he's one of Spidey's superhero friends, his relevancy begins and ends there.
The only thing you actually do need to pay attention to is like if at the end of an issue it says "continued in whatever other bullshit comic" but if it doesn't say that you can just keep reading, and if Spidey says something like "oh boy I sure am glad to have gotten rid of that Halloween costume* in issue #3 of Web of Spider-Man" just don't even bother because who the frick cares about Spider-Man having a Halloween costume you can just chalk it up to something that happened off screen lol
You really do not need to bother with all the side bullshit - even if the story you're reading happens to coincide with a big event you can just read that event for the character you care about and disregard what everyone else is doing it's fine.
>People shoving their agendas into superhero comics screams to me that they'd rather be doing something more "mature" but are stuck with capeshit.
This is like 90% of western media writers. Everyone wants to be some big shot israeli Hollywood director, or at least an author, but they get stuck in comics or vidya. So the rest of us get the the triple whammy of being stuck with the talentless hacks who couldn't be a big shot, who are californian neoliberals with an axe to grind and an agenda to promote, and who are extremely bitter about their station in life.
People keep saying comics are dying buy buddy made around 1m from his graphic novel. This whole conversation sounds moronic. I don't ready comics but it obviously easy to make money from it.
It's because the American comics are hot sellers and get produced on a massive scale.
The mangas are ordered in limited quantities since it's usually only the unwashed fatlus types, and neetbux isn't exactly a lot of spending money.
>Jap anime/manga industry
Has mecha, so it's cool. >Western comic/cartoon industry
Does not have mecha, so it's shit.
Simple as.
Even in the rare case the west produces anything mecha related, it's just a parody of toonami stuff.
It's sad, really.
DBZ, Pokemon anime, and Naruto buckbroke the israelitemerican entertainment system. Think what you will, but both had a huge cultural impact on 90's/00's kids. I wore the Naruto headband in higschool, it was the Itachi scratched out leaf village one, wore it as a necklace, shit was cool as frick. No one cares about westernshit like that.
take the webcomic pill. No higherups to worry about, no schedules to follow, no audience to disappoint. Just you and your mediocre comic that no one will know about
Hey, hold up. Pixar and Disney are shit but Netflix, Skydance, and various other companies have poached all their talent over the last 10 years. All those skilled animator who you grew up with in the 90's and 00's still work. They just don't work for legacy studios. People need to stop all this doom and gloom shit. Just because the companies you grow up with are terrible now doesn't mean the talent disapeared. Getting really sick of that narrative.
Frankly I don't think any of that stuff was particularly good, ever. I just remember when these movies being released always felt like a large "happening"
Come on man, you know why. Streaming changed everything. Instead of getting a trickle of content from select sources you get showd from a dozen different platforms. It's hard to have those water-cooler moments in culture when nobody is watch the same stuff. I was reading an article about Seinfeld earlier that discussed this very topic. Every knows that the big happening moments are gone. They are never coming back. Everything changed after covid and the union strikes. I'm just a lowly microphone tech but I can tell you right now. All my jobs are music oriented now. 16 months ago all I did was work with film companies. Everything has changed.
i like anime but never liked mechas
i dont get the appeal
yeah yeah giant robots
so
so what
i just dont get it
it all looks so boring
evangelion and ttgl were cool but they were more than just mecha anime and subverted the genre which is the reason they were interesting
also liked code geass but not because of the mechas. it could have been anything else really
You got it, genius. It was never about the robots.
A lot of mecha series just have phenomenal stories and characters.
You could replace the robots with spaceships or tanks or fighter jets and they would still be great.
>You haven't watched mecha
just the 3 i mentioned yeah, because the others looked "mecha only" and that seemed to be the core part, like "big robots fight" and everything is secondary
but what else is there that are as good as these 3
>evangelion and ttgl were cool but they were more than just mecha anime and subverted the genre which is the reason they were interesting
So you haven't seen any mecha anime outside the three mentioned in your post.
>"unlike other mecha shows this one is about the humans"
Can someone please point me towards these mythical mecha shows that I keep hearing about that are just about empty tin cans with no pilots?
Please, I gotta know where normies are getting this shit from. It really baffles me especially when Gundam is ENTIRELY about fricking human drama.
>ttgl subverted the genre >literally a historical retelling of the genre and beyond through a dramatic lense, starting with silly combiner super robots, becoming modern eva scifi, and going even further beyond back into super
>thread about how much better anime and manga is compared to comics >every manga posted is either uber-popular shit everyone and their mother has seen or trashy angst / romance shit
Lamest board.
based kinnikuman insanity plot enjoyer
i still can't get over buffalo man's horn breaking the unbreakable glass because it was made of the same material
Oh wow, you posted GaoGaiGar? The series I can buy on blu ray, in English, right now? The series that I can currently also play through via a video game that is on steam right now?
The franchise where I can go to my local hobby shop and see various model kits expressly for it?
The anime that was so popular, 50% of my /m/ folder from 2008 is just GaoGaiGar related content?
i gave like 4 boxes of manga to the salvation army the other day
some guy taking the boxes was like "is that manga?!!?" and i was like "yep the good stuff haha"
really hoping some poor anime fans can enjoy it but deep down inside i know it's gonna get flipped on the internet
for anyone confused i was too lazy/busy to sell it myself and it was all books I haven't read in 8+ years so it had to go
Same. I gave a bunch of really nice brand name clothes/shoes to goodwill recently. I just know some homosexual gigworker or employee grabbed them and sold them at a 3x markup online.
to be fair, my mom does the exact same thing with a flea market booth so im ok with it. i think it all works out since she buys a lot of stuff from close outs and auctions then donates it back.
the shoes for certain will get flipped, you could sell those on the streets to someone. clothes on the other hand will probably go to a nice home. even designer/expensive shit with the original tag still on it will be on the shelves for weeks.
With all this talk about the downfall of comics, how come no one actually points their interest to non-capeshit comics? Transformers, TMNT and the Spawn franchise seems to be doing well (I know these are 1# issues but still). There's also not much hateboners for these franchises too lol. Seriously most of this comics dying thing seems to be squarely on Marvel and DC caking the frick up with like 20+ comics a year so the top billing comics sell as fine as usual while all the gutter trash just clogs the catalog making it seem very bad for them. I bet if the big 2 narrowed down with less than 13ish current comic runs every 1.5-3 years with the emphasis on quality maybe the industry sales wouldn't make it look so bad for them.
Dude, for real. It's only Marvel and DC that are fricked... well, maybe Dark Horse and IDW as well. But you can still make mountains of money working outside of the pack. Superhero comics definately suck, but comics aren't just about superheros.
>With all this talk about the downfall of comics, how come no one actually points their interest to non-capeshit comics?
this is a thread full of midwits with thirdhand opinions on comics because they don't read comics. Dog man comics make up like 40% of ALL COMIC SALES, a comic is the best selling book in the globe and people will still say comics are dying. Capeshit is dying. Scholastic graphix sell gangbusters because they actually try to make comics for kids. Nothing weird about where to start with modern kids comics, you just pay $10 and get a complete story.
I don't touch yuri in general, but I had this on a rec list so I thought I'd give it a try. What I found out was that >Women writing about women
is no joke
jjk, chainsawman and boys abyss. JJK cause i like hakari, chainsawman because theres a slim chance fujimoto will do another ENTER and boys abyss cause the girls are hot
So, if he was smart he'd make the comic section way smaller to make room and profit from what's selling, manga and warhammer. Why didn't he do that then?
You are all forgetting another huge factor. >Marvel/DC comic
90% of the time is hardcover, fully colored, and consequently $30. >Manga
Paperback, black and white, $12.
black and white unironically have more soul and i will never understand why western comics are all fully colored, they coloring is often so fricking ugly and ruins the art for me
I agree, I wasn't trying to imply otherwise. Just pointing out why they're able to make it so much cheaper. Marvel and DC need to take notes, people really don't give a shit about color.
this is insanely better as flats aside from the depth of field panel
They really are obsessed with adding excessive shading to everything
I find capeshit has a serious problem with dynamic composition. Like these frames look ok, they convey what they have to. But then you see how creative some mangas get with their composition and you see how theyre using different camera angles, effects like speed lines, implied blur, fisheye lense effects, etc. They typically convey a sense of speed and action a lot, maybe not better but aggressively.
When did Peter get his own glider?
I don't really read comics but I also found this Transformers panel cool.
I find capeshit has a serious problem with dynamic composition. Like these frames look ok, they convey what they have to. But then you see how creative some mangas get with their composition and you see how theyre using different camera angles, effects like speed lines, implied blur, fisheye lense effects, etc. They typically convey a sense of speed and action a lot, maybe not better but aggressively.
What's funny is they had a pretty good technique for conveying action in their animated stuff. But in comics they seem to only focus on the before/after, and not the middle frames where the motion is most prevalent.
A common weakness of western comic book artists is that they have a very poor sense of panneling and timing.
As you say, they look fine and convey what is happening. But there is no "flow" between most the panels. You have to expend brainpower (either conciously or subconciously) to fill in the gaps.
For a pure example of how panneling and timing can carry a series, go check out the original One Punch Man comic. Visually it looks like shit, but it reads very well which lets you more easily process the characters and action.
Why do you think these threads get so many replies? Manga is obviously cheap slop (monochrome breasts and powerlevels) but hey, that's what people want. It's upsetting but it's just how it is.
And then you have morons that even defend manga's lack of details and color saying it's actually better. There's nothing you can discuss with someone like that. They're like BG3 fans.
The lack of depth on the eyes on the characters on the left.
The lack of color
The lack of reflections
The lack of all those things that you normally use your brain to analyse an image and "feel" it.
Mangas are simplified symbols for "symbol-minded" morons
Western culture today is literally just Black person and troony worship, at least Japanese media has good depictions of white people and clear vgender distinctions, that's literally all I fricking ask for.
>japanese comics >subject matter is literally anything pedophilia related >american comics >a variety of deep stories with complex moral dilemmas told from the lens of superheroic fantasy
ftfy
>someone was going to release this in english, going so far as to have the first collection translated and ready to go >then they learned how things developed later in the story
Still makes me chuckle.
>Does the downfall of westoid comics boil down to femoid/homosexual/troony/shitskin pandering?
Yeah, they even had their own Gamergate moment a few years back.
Everyones giving moronic examples about the content inside but thats not the main factor.
Main factor is comics are a clusterfrick >Some normalgay wants to read Bleach, grabs Bleach volume 1 and is good
Compare that to >Some normalgay wants to read spiderman >Theres 6 different spidermen series, currently ongoing featuring multiple different actual spidermen >Or do they start from the 500 other spiderman series which have been completed
Then you start actually reading one >HEY SPIDERMAN ITS YOUR OLD PAL NAMOR, WE HAVENT SEEN EACH OTHER SINCE THE INVASION OF THE GRIBLGAMS (go read the ultra invasion secret vol 235)
And against all odds say they pierce through all of those barriers and are enjoying a series >Author randomly quits and a new one takes over and 180s the series into the ground
Its no fricking wonder why normalgays dont want to touch comics.
Thats not even factoring the price, comics tend to be twice as expensive minimum, hell most are like 30 bucks for a volume compared to mangas 5-10.
Or the actual content >WORDS WORDS WORDS
first reason is manga has some variety to it's genres. yes supernatural action is usually the most popular but there's sports, drama, gambling, comedies, romance, hobby manga, etc
second reason is western comics are just flat out disgusting to look at by comparison
Oh sure but if I said comics is mostly superhero shit some Gankergay would have a melty and scream about this obscure graphic novel that no store stocks thats actually about murdering your family or something exists and Im wrong.
Nah he just got done fighting a guy that could absorb the gamma radiation in his body so he's like 60% Banner right now, but because Banner is so fricked in the head Hulk's personality stays.
>you were shot into space instead of being shot >who cares that you've been shot with weapons designed to kill you before you were shot into space to be separated from your family and friends without a way home >you weren't shot like a BLACK person
Immortal Hulk could have been good but shit like this is just interspersed through it.
This is one of the rare examples of a character whose beliefs are just theirs and not the author putting them on a soapbox for the audience and you still manage to find a way to be a moron about it.
The fact that she's "oppressed" isn't even close to being the point of the scene, maybe you should try learning how to read before claiming something has abysmal writing.
Even without politics it has moronic shit like Banner's father wanting to prove that his son is a monster by showing people how incredibly intelligent Bruce is. Because, apparently, if you're intelligent past a certain point, people will just assume that you're a radioactivity powered abomination. The writing is just bad.
Yes, but there's this thing called "suspension of disbelief" and other characters in the comic act like they do in the real world ,so writing like that just strikes me as moronic. It's like if people hunted down Wolverine because he's too hairy for a normal human, it's just stupid.
Would like to point out to people saying manga is easy to get into, you can say that primarily because you get it filtered for you.
Most popular franchises end up having several ongoing things running adjacent to each other and it's not just phone games. Vid related has a main manga (105+ volumes), a side manga whose content is typically indistinguishable from the main work (45+ volumes), several spin-offs (ongoing or 6-15 volumes), and an annual film series.
>Cmon Bro,that 1 FRICKING MANGA SERIES OF 999999 THAT ARE AROUND
Well...
Dragon Ball for several years had the following. Dragon Ball Super (anime), Dragon Ball Super (manga), and Super Dragon Ball Heroes (manga AND game). All of these ran concurrently and were, for the most part, completely different products.
Come September though, it'll be Super Dragon Ball Heroes (manga), Super Dragon Ball Heroes (anime), Super Dragon Ball Heroes (game), Dragon Ball Super (manga), Dragon Ball Daima (anime), not counting various other spin off materials.
Currently, the manga series Kaiji spans around 75 volumes. It also has four spin-offs, two of which are currently running (and one of them ended on a note implying it will have significance to the main series).
Also, here's a bunch of manga and anime that continually reboot themselves: >Mobile Suit Gundam >every Go Nagai work (Devilman, Mazinger, Cutey Honey, etc.) >the more prominent Leiji Matsumoto works (still waiting on Zero Century) >Getter Robo >any kids anime (Digimon, Pokemon, etc.)
This shit happens all the time. Again, you people get it filtered for you.
Suit Gundam
Pretty much every series is it's own thing, so you can watch them separately. Sadly, the UC has been raped beyond repair. Just watch the original Tomino UC anime and ignore everything UC produced after Victory.
Go Nagai work (Devilman, Mazinger, Cutey Honey, etc.)
Robo
These are more complicated, but stuff is mostly separate (?) most of the time. No one's getting into Go Nagai or Getter Robo stuff in current year, anyways.
>These are more complicated, but stuff is mostly separate (?) most of the time.
Tell me the watch order of every Devilman anime. Please note >the TV show exists in Crybaby >OVA2 doesn't have an ending >OVA3 is an adaptation of a separate Devilman work not part of the main manga
And please tell me the required reading material necessary to understand everything occurring the time travel section of New Getter Robo.
>Devilman
Crybaby is the only complete adaptation of the original manga. I actually don't know why the OVAs were never finished.
You can google what the release order of the Devilman manga series is and read that. >understand everything occurring the time travel section of New Getter Robo
It's just a bunch of references and shit. Like I said, it's not meant for new fans, especially in 2024.
Fate stay night
Fate unlimited blade works movie
Fate unlimited blade works series
Fate carnival phantasm
Fate zero
Fate protoype
Fate Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya
Fate grand order
Fate Apocrypha
Fate Heaven's feel
Fate EXTRA last encore
Lord El-Melloi II Case Files -Rail Zeppelin Grace Note-A Grave Keeper, a Cat, and a Mage
Fate Grand Order: Divine Realm of the Round Table - Camelot Wandering; Agateram
(the Grand Order anime is told out of order by the way, you'd only know this if you played the gacha game first)
Fate strange fake whispers of dawn
There's a thousand spinoffs that I didn't list too, and you can either play the VNs first or watch the anime first
>jack the ripper as a lewdly dressed e-girl
For realsies? Why? Like why would a little girl go around gutting prostitues? Like just the motivation itself
Japanese comics are just soft porn.
So ofc it sell more, stop this pathetic weeb circlejerk.
Euro comics sell even less than american ones and guess why? Because not only are just as unerotic but they also have less violence so it requires a lot more effort to enjoy.
Show me the first 10 pages from that manga.
Show the lack of sexy chicks.
Then show me the sales numbers and tell me that THIS manga is what is selling, not the soft porn shounen crap.
Come on, do it.
The OP stated that japanese comics sell more than american ones.
I said that only the soft porn ones do and therefore it's stupid to care.
You somehow don't understand this.
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Did I reply to the OP???
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>only the soft porn ones do
moronic and wrong, JJK is all strong men and that sells like hot cakes (because women like to imagine them having gay sex)
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Wouldn't erotic men fall under the soft porn category as well? I'd post the Golden Kamuy onsen spread if I had it handy here.
The only other point of discussion is that comics (AND manga) are not that great of an industry.
Most comics just get made directly as hollywood block busters (which earn more than the entire manga industry) or video games (which earn more than the entire manga industry). This is because the publishers who own the rights don't want to put money into an inefficient medium.
Manga publishers still make cheap b&w comics before anime because they have no qualms adding porn and violence to make it sell and because their moronic audience which doesn't care at all that 95% of what they are reading is either some "cool pose" with mindless cliche platitudes or some "dynamic pose" of some attack that was actually a lot stronger than had been described by some sidecharacter 2 panels before.
Stuff like Berserk or Blame are the very rare exception imo. Especially with how commercial manga publishers are. Whenever something sells, you get like 20 different copy cats instantly with the same story structure, the same tropes, the same cliches, the same faces, the same everything almost. Because ultimately their target demographic are those who are too young to have noticed the repetition.
It's because comic books are inherently a nerd incel hobby, and if you're going to dive into a nerd incel hobby you might as well invest in the top of the line nerd incel genre.
Given the choice between an authetic German Brautwurst and some Nathaniel's Frank goyslop, a normal person will chose the genuine thing.
Given the choice between normie western comics and weeb pedo comics, the nerd incel will chose the genuine thing
it's for "experienced players" and people new to the story, so i assume they'll just build on the characters and the self introspective parts, which were admittedly pretty flat
also probably lots of Basil Sexo
Yeah probably, but I just don't really see how it can be good in a way that it adds to the game. I will read it anyway, as will many fans of the game, but I really fail to see the point, aside from generating more dojin interest for fujos
Before this thread dies I want to quickly shill the original Alien vs Predator comic. It's very good and if you like either of the two monsters, you'll most likely like this comic too.
Both manga and comics are equally niche, the difference is that manga gets 1:1 adaptations which double as advertisement because people will pick up the book between seasons.
Comics have only recently started doing this with stuff like Invincible, you need to hook people in with a medium that's friendlier to normies and then leave the storyline unfinished so they'll want to continue with the product you actually want to sell.
Good western comics don't get marketed or distributed for whatever reason. The best is JTHM and I only found out about that one because its the same guy that made Invader Zim.
Even if there are some japanese multimedia franchises that have become rather convoluted these days, you still have tons of manga/anime that are properly finished, contained works. Meanwhile, american comic is mostly just 2 bloated, incomprehensible giants that have been going on since forever
They ever make them more accessible to read? I signed up for the DC+ thing a few years ago and they actually had incomplete series on there. As in a 7 part arc would only have 4 comics available.
As a kid I only ever read groo and elfquest. Later the only newer things I liked were Transmetropolitan and Leaving Megalopolis, just thought you should know.
Wrong board
There is so much shovelware bullshit in comics. There is not way in hell even a fraction of it is bought/read by anyone
Probably all of those "sales" are the stores buying a couple units.
Yeah, basically they are forced to buy in bulk, when they can't sell those units they sell them to stores like Ollie's. Comic book industry is really dumb. I'm glad that manga is taking over. I don't read manga and I dislike anime, but it is what it is.
Every physical goods industry does this, including video games. Open your door once in a while.
I barely read comics, not even sure what separates a comic from a graphic novel, but I did read Geiger recently it was ok. Marvel and DC stuff is pure trash for the last decades though
Today, the comic book industry is a joke compared to the manga industry, but honestly this has been a long time coming and it makes total sense.
It's not just that burgers have bad taste and are untalented (that's part of it) but manga has always been a mainstream industry in japan, whereas american comics, even in their best years, were always considered to be undergound and quite niche.
Japs just happened to latch onto the format more, trains probably helping out a lot considering that's where a lot of downtime is spent.
The more popular the format, the more people who want to work in that format. On the flip side lets look at video games, a very mainstream industry in the states. Look at how many burger game devs there are.There's no shortage of them, but comic book authors are a very rare breed. Even if you think you see a lot, trust me, there's not that many compared to japan.
The less comics being produced, the longer it could take to come across a real winner. Also the less people working in an industry the more narrow the creative scope is.
Any time a comic is really popular it gets a TV show and people just watch it that way because the average westerner has a better chance of consuming a story while they're at home on the couch rather than on the go.
Get out the frick off my Ganker you insightful and well read jackass.
>well read
Nothing in my post demonstrated this. Pick your obsequious brown-nosing superlatives more carefully
oof
I always raise my fist whenever I read a comic because blacks lives matter.
that has to be the most aggressive humble brag i've witnessed
impressive, very nice
The bastard I'm not even the poor anon you (you)'d but I feel owned all the same.
I laughed really hard and then googled what your words meant
>Brown-nose
Haha yeah true I know these words, he wrote Da Vinci Puzzle, right?
Anon-sama I offer my prostrated naked dogeza…
I'm going to go against the crowd. I wouldn't consider well read a superlative personally.
hey, I know some of those words!
Real difference more than anything is that comics are designed and aimed at children, or at least of all ages with only a small amount aimed at adults, even if the main fanbase of comics are now adults.
Manga is designed for adults mainly and the content of stories are more complex and philosophical etc because of it.
>Manga is designed for adults mainly
Imagine thinking this unironically in any way shape or form
Are you actually moronic
There's also cultural promotion.
Japan will prop up the manga industry even more with cultural programs and prizes, whereas the US has a habit of looking down on their comic book industry.
Look at Belgium or France where national comics were huge because of the culture that existed.
The talent isn't allowed to work in the western industry, it's full of israeli nepotism or diversity hires who don't even like comic books.
Comics used to be sold on Newstands and there were Superhero stories in Newspapers as well. It was around the late 80s and early 90s where the shift went from selling at the Newstands to Direct to Consumer model with Comic Book shops. The reason most of the super hero movies are about heroes before this happened says a lot.
Yep. I remember begging my mom or saving money to buy X-Men comics whenever we'd go grocery shopping or stop at a convenience store. Pulling them off those shelves fricked the comics industry forever.
It wasn't just that.
The collectors market did more damage. Everyone saw that mint condition comic books from the 30's-60's sold for hundreds of thousands of dollars, and so now instead of marketing to normal people, they listened to collectors.
>Comic books start being printed on higher quality paper, thus jacking up prices, because of collectors wanted more durable paper and not the cheap newsgrade stuff you still find in manga to this day, instead of just reserving that paper for intentionally more expensive trades.
>Comic books have multiple variant covers because of collectors, but the only way for shops to get those collector variants is for them to order a shit ton of the normal variants, thus sticking shops with a bunch of basic issues they'll never sell just to get the profitable variants.
>Niche comic books get pushed to the back of the store and get no exposure because collectors are primarily interested in Marvel and DC, thus they never pick up a big audience unless they're super lucky or built up an established audience at those companies before going indie. Thus the market is flooded with capeshit and other genres struggle.
>Events. Collectors love event issues. More events. We need MORE EVENTS. Let's alienate the average consumer. What? You just want to read Batman? Sorry. If you want to understand the next 6 issues of Batman, you need to buy 6 issues of Ultra Crisis on Infinite Infinities. But to truly understand that plot, we need you to also buy 3 issues of Supergirl, 6 issues of Action Comics, 5 issues of Justice League, 2 issues of Plastic Man, 3 issues of Green Lantern, and this one shot giant sized Blue Bettle. Also we'll be heavily featuring Super Hades as the main villain, but that means nothing to you if you didn't read a 32 issue Wonder Woman run from 6 years ago.
It's all so unnecessary.
It's funny to think one of the deciding qualities in the manga/comic split is Japan simply having good public transport.
Nice job anon. You win the internet in this thread
If comic books were sold up front at the cash-register in stores or even just had a rack at Wal-Mart I guarantee you comics would explode and become popular again. Game stores and Comic Book Shops becoming the sole means of distribution was a fricking moronic decision and completely killed their presence in America
Pure, unfiltered Gankerpe. Captain America could personally deliver comics to every American in the country, for free, and people still wouldn't read them. Because capeshit comics are--for the most part--awfully written, have no appealing characters, are void of any creativity and are terribly drawn.
Okay let's just keep the scope narrow and make sure there's no public interest in them whatsoever. Bros why is it all capeshit that fails to draw in new readers? How could this be happening??? Let's tighten the scope even further and reduce comic sales down to one (1) possible entrypoint.
Yeah, the general culture around American media that isn't live action tends to be "For kids" and so it remains something you're meant to have some shame for into your teenage years and adulthood.
Some blame can also be cast at the comics industry for not dissuading that view- they still focus primarily on the same handful of brands and still make it incredibly obtuse to get into them for a new reader.
>Manga is designed for adults mainly and the content of stories are more complex and philosophical etc because of it.
I'm surprised nobody in this thread has called you a homosexual yet.
If anything, I would say comics are ironically the more mature medium in terms of target demographic, which is part of why they fail. They use gruffer art styles, tend to be far wordier, and their content often will skew towards social commentaries or themes that would be more appealing to someone in college than someone in middle school.
Manga on the other hand is predominately for young kids as the intended audience. Most manga are released in the shounen demographic, the vast majority of anime adaptations either pull from that demographic or from light novels (which are primarily consumed by teenagers, they're a Japanese equivalent to YA if you want to be reductive), and in the fan translation scene most of the focus will inevitably go towards more wish fulfillment or shounen leaning works. What fricking manga have you been reading?
I think you misunderstand.
For simplicity sake.
Spiderman or batman was originally aimed at fantastical stories for childrens entertainment.
they dont have stories about metaphysical or philosophical musings about reality or what it is to be human.
Now over time, especially because kids dont read comics, they play vidya or are on tiktok or some shit, comics demographics have changed to support the fans who were kids and are now adults (just like vidya tbh)
Now manga, are more often than not created by adults for adults.
they have stories about slices of life, stories about romance, or philosophical musings about humanity, or death.
I mean shit look at GitS, a story about transhumanism and what it means to have a soul (ghost).
You aint getting that type of complexities in a fricking captain america superhero comic shit.
You completely misunderstand both American comics and Japanese manga, and have zero understanding of their past or present. Congratulations, midwit.
>midwit
>reads childrens comic books about super hero cape trash
>calls others midwit
Guess again, homosexual.
>Now over time, especially because kids dont read comics, they play vidya or are on tiktok or some shit, comics demographics have changed to support the fans who were kids and are now adults (just like vidya tbh)
Comics were ostensibly leaning into more mature and thoughtful narratives overall since the mid to late 80s. Death in the Family, the comic even that lead into the complete change of Batman's character, how his world would be presented, and killed off Robin was 1988. The reason the 90s are period where you got a lot of shit people love and a lot of shit people hate is because so much of comics were going back to their more 'mature' roots but went way farther than the old horror anthologies that used to be release.
>Now manga, are more often than not created by adults for adults.
They are not. Most manga published still target a school age audience, typically in the realm of pre-HS. It's just Japan doesn't have this weird shame about reading media that targets a younger readerbase.
>they have stories about slices of life, stories about romance
Neither of these are topics that are uniquely for adults. In fact, romance in manga was pushed far more by shounen narratives in the 60s, 70s, and 80s (most notably Masami Kurumada's portrayal in Ring ni Kakero and Saint Seiya, as well as the ongoing quest for Kenshiro's wiener that was constantly happening in Hokuto no Ken), and those manga were and still are for children.
>look at GitS
Ghost in the Shell is what, nearly 40 years old? Why bring it up?
Learn what words mean moron.
There's also been plenty of manga with harsher themes intended for children.
Ashita no Joe has the main character kill his rival in a fight and spiral into depression (to the point where he vomits blood whenever he punches someone in the head), and eventually he suffers brain damage and dies.
ok my bad,got your porint wrong
>since the mid to late 80
Yeah when the fanbase had grown up.
Keep in mind batman is a comic book from the 50s (iirc)
And the person I was responding to was asserting that there was a recent course change to more "mature" topics, rather than what I stated about it starting in the 80s.
>Manga on the other hand is predominately for young kids as the intended audience.
i dont think that the manga of the dude that killed his family and forced his siter to prostitution is for kids bro
i found it,top tier seinen
I agree, children under 16 years of age should not be allowed to read that material. My state recently banned access to pornographic websites without a physical ID. I think the same should apply to manga.
The internet is dying and it's reactionary israelites fault
I think the internet is healing. Young people should not have access to VPNs or Pornographic websites.
I think every kid deserves a Blue Waffle experience
All the reasons as to why manga has dominated US comics is over-discussed so all I'll say is that I hope the industry makes a turn around. Good american comics are still made and I should read more of them but that industry is in massive need of a shake up.
You misunderstand his point, there are manga that's absolutely only made for adults, just like comics made only for adults, but in Japan far more kids and teens read manga than American kids and teens read comics. There's far more of it, far more of it is advertised and made for them, they have big shiny prime kid time airing slots for anime to get kids to buy the manga and constantly have new things for kids to get interested and read, instead of the 80th re-imagining of Spider-man. There are indie/small comics aimed at teens but the vast majority of teens aren't gonna find that. Even amongst capeshit most modern runs (from the little I've read) are more geared towards older manchild audiences.
>Uhmmmmm manga is predominately for young kids because.... seinen manga exists!
What the frick even is your point, moron?
>crying about racism and homophobia makes the medium "more mature"
absurd attitude lol. do you like israeli dick up your ass?
What do you consider mature topics that your favourite manga cover.
The real question is what mature subjects do comics cover?
Typically, comics have been more focused on social activism, race relations, societal issues, etc.
There was even a recent Punisher run all about confronting the issues with the character and concluding with him being forced to find a different coping mechanism after his wife resurrects and rejects him.
This isn't me saying any of these things are good, but they're clearly directed towards an older audience, likely in planning they are told to direct their work at 20 somethings more than any other demographic.
Comparatively, the current most popular manga do fit nicely in with the younger crowds.
Oshi no Ko is a standard soap opera type revenge story, you have standard wish fulfillment stuff staying high in the ranks like Slime Datta Ken, a boy's soccer manga "Blue Lock" is still fairly popular, and there's always a slew of battle manga that maintain popularity and still primarily target younger readers. These include
>Jujutsu Kaisen
>ONE PIECE
>Kengan Omega
>Chainsaw Man
And beyond that there's typical fluffy "will they won't they" romances flooding the top which are so obviously only consumed by the perpetually alone or high schoolers.
Again, none of this is to say "Woah, comics covers these so much DEEPER and NUANCED topics", I honestly haven't read a comic in over decade. I have three full bookshelves of manga and the only comics I still own is some 70s Bugs Bunny ones my dad gave me when I was six. But, my point was that the moron saying that manga is read by more people because it's "more mature and philosophical" was a fricking moronic homosexual, because the vast majority of people read manga due to it being easy to digest in its themes and content, and because they want to jerk off to it in some capacity. Simple as.
>There was even a recent Punisher run all about confronting the issues with the character
Jesus
>with him being forced to find a different coping mechanism after his wife resurrects and rejects him
This reads like something someone on /misc/ would make up to get angry about.
Nah, it got spammed around a lot so I inevitably saw it, and it was very clearly targeting the demographic I described. It was very wordy, went over relationship issues more complex than "A-An indirect kiss?!", and it ultimately sought to pursue more complex directions with its character. I didn't really give a shit since it was the culmination of an arc I hadn't read and the art was terrible, but it was an even that happened.
>moron misses the point
Ah yes, "tv shoes".
Anyways, you're probably the type of person that couldn't separate Malcom X from an episode of Sesame Street where Ernie learns not to hall the orange fricker "Orange" or something.
>you're probably the type of person that couldn't separate Malcom X from an episode of Sesame Street where Ernie learns not to hall the orange fricker "Orange" or something.
Are you going to make an argument or what? Because saying its not okay to be racist isn't exactly a mature subject no matter how you dress it up.
I didn't miss anything, getting a stablished character and subverting them is not particulary interesting on its own, specially if it's hamfisted like your Punisher example.
Also "race relations", what sort of discussion will 2020's writers bring to the table on these topics? How hood black culture can be a issue to black people themselves? How politicians manipulate black comminities to consolidate more power? How the media overrepresent police brutality to further poison race relations?
Nah, probably more George Floyd wank.
lol black communities manipulate politicians to consolidate power, black women took over government work. first lefties come in and want to diversify the place then the nigresses hide all the government jobs to nepotistically give them out which is why only black women staff city offices. might not even work out for communism either.
>comics have been more focused on social activism, race relations, societal issues
And how exactly is that mature? These are things you used to learn about in children's tv shoes.
>black people good and cucking the Punisher is mature storytelling
I don't consider "mature topics" to be something that makes a work good by default. But "racism bad" is something they teach you in primary zogschool, there is nothing particularly mature about any of that.
Boiling down to "le mature topics" is a sign of immaturity itself, but I'll try. You want mature storytelling, read Vinland Saga's farm arc
>slavery
>the value of hard work
>the unfairness of the world
>the futility of revenge
>the futility of war
>how culture can shape us into doing attrocities
and more
When ANY comic reach the levels of kino of Thorfinn getting the final punch out of 100 punches and finally earning his audience with Canute then you can talk about maturity, saying racism bad is not mature, I learned that shit in 3rd grade
>Vinland Saga
Main character sounds like a cucked gay with that "I have no enemies" shit, and the author crying like a b***h when he saw his kids play fighting and telling themselves to not fight back if attacked
You don't actually care about discussion
>a cucked gay with that "I have no enemies" shit
Did you read it? Do you know why he ended up like that?
He was a murder hobo or some shit before that, I get him becoming a pacifist who wants to avoid killing or harming people. But him becoming a turbo pacifist is gay
Go read it, if you're oversimplifying his character as a "murder hobo" it's because you don't know the story.
>Dad gets acked by Vikings
>Is captured by them and fights alongside them for a while and desires revenge against head Viking for killing his dad
>Guy dies before he gets the chance to kill him
>Is sad because he didn't get to kill him but is also sad because he sorta liked the guy
None of this changes the fact him turning into a turbo pacifist b***h is gay
moron.
Vinland Saga was kino until halfway through the Farm Arc. The minute Gardar shows up it goes to shit. All the character development and arcs for Snake, Einarr, and Olmar get thrown out the window so Thorfinn can engage in the same moronic philosophy that got his dad killed and him traumatized for life, and for heaven and earth itself to tie itself in a knot so he can have an unearned win for his stupid philosophy.
Yes, war is bad, you did a good job conveying that in previous arcs without being a preachy butthole about it. The second half of the Farm Arc reads like the author was concerned people didn't understand war is bad and shot his own story in the foot to bludgeon the reader over the head with that message.
Everything you describe was covered in Mobile Suit Gundam, a 70s cartoon for children.
Yes, a 70s cartoon about huge robots is more mature than current year western comic slop, thanks for proving my point
then there are no mature topics unless its le edgy sex sex rape shit which is also not mature
everything is immature because cartoons exist depicting those topics in a way, even if just one
bravo lol
Makoto Yukimura is a monstrous homosexual, i hate him and disagree with him on a lot of things. Vinland Saga is one of my favourite anime/manga of all time, it is simply phenomenal (probably by complete accident[turns to shit after the slave arc anyway]).
LVCIVS ARTORIVS CASTVS is one of the best written characters in fiction in general.
>I would say comics are ironically the more mature medium in terms of target demographic
>and their content often will skew towards social commentaries or themes that would be more appealing to someone in college than someone in middle school
>Japs just happened to latch onto the format more
Look into "Seduction of the Innocent" if you want to understand why American comics declined heavily in the 50s-60s and what set the stage for capeshit to choke out the rest of the medium.
It's not just that, a combination excessive capeslop and Disney running said capeslop movie adaptations into the ground, ruined the potential going for western comics. (Just like how they fricking ruined western animation.)
Don't forget the awful price to content ratio compared to manga since comic book sellers STILL have not moved past the speculator boom that went bust like 30 years ago. Or how having multiple writers swap places hurts the quality of the storylines. Or any number of the 100+ problems that make the American comic industry look like a bunch of dementia patients
Anime/Manga mastered drawing attractive characters.
Comics mastered drawing ugly.
Simple as.
>Marvel and DC consolidate their resources into pushing a small handful of existing characters for decades instead of fostering new franchises and IPs, all the while strangling any competitors out of the industry
>as a result, there is no way for new writers/artists to really experiment and cut their teeth on because corporate suits are too involved in the process
>abandons the regular comics format to cater to the collectors/enthusiast market - general availiability is abysmal
>medium never really matured because of aforementioned corporate meddling (adamant refusal to experiment with themes or topics because that would risk their quarterly profits)
Pic related is a very real problem.
It'd be like if the Japanese manga industry pumped out Doraemon, Kinnikuman, KochiKame and ShinChan, then made nothing but iterations of those for the next 50 years.
Instead, there's a constant revolving door of new blood and new franchises for a variety of audiences on fairly regular schedules. This keeps things fresh and exciting for consumers new and old.
Marvel and DC could easily attempt to revive things by pushing some kind of sponsored webcomics initiative (find some high profile webcomics, offer to support the artist with wages/production in exchange for more regular releases), but they won't because they're incapable of doing anything for the health of the industry at the expense of their annual profits.
>One Piece
That shit is way too fricking long, character designs are also way too goofy to take seriously
I can't believe you would say something so original and courageous.
have a nice day.
Everyone loves One Piece, so it's actually based to not like it.
Everyone who has to voice that they don't read/watch One Piece all say it for the exact same reasons.
They're NPCs.
>They're NPCs.
That's everyone that reads OP, aka the vast majority of the internet.
>it looks too goofy to take seriously
peak NPC mindset. these are the kind of people that netflix marvel slop is made for.
Don't care if my opinion doesn't go against the grain, I personally don't like it because of those two big issues. But hey if you like it more power to you I suppose.
I generally don't mind shounen, but One Piece's art style is too goofy for my tastes. I'm more of a Bleach man.
It's not really supposed to be some grimdark mature story, the art style reflects that. I get why it's not everyone's cup of tea though.
I thought that too, but then part way through I found myself tearing up over these dipshit cartoon characters. Oda is just really good at writing very human relationships between his characters.
>Instead, there's a constant revolving door of new blood and new franchises for a variety of audiences on fairly regular schedules.
Honestly, it's fricking mindblowing how Kimetsu no yaiba just ended after becoming a worldwide phenomenon.
Its better this way. You dont have to drag things out forever.
Bonus point: western comic merch fricking sucks.
No one wants to buy this shit.
It's telling when Bishoujo variants are more talked about than this McDonald Happy Meal shit that the western counterparts push.
This shit is why I never touched comics, ontop of it being harder to find stuff worthwhile that isnt superhero related. Manga just has so much variety and its straight forward. Start with issue one, everything is self contained.
Comics also suffer from different writers. Every fricking loser kid comes in thinking THEY will be the one to fix Spiderman and re-start him for like the 12th time now
Yeah, that's part of the second point.
>IPs are more closely tied to the parent company instead of the original creatives
>company finds massive success in these IPs
>refuses to give any new IPs a chance because its too risky
>instead just passes these IPs around to different creatives ibecause they think brand recognition is an infinite money hack
>reboots and separate timelines left right and center because there's too much fricking baggage to work with and the suits won't approve anything else
>if it doesn't immediately sell gangbusters (modest success or neutral reception is also a no-no) it gets cancelled after a few volumes
there's also the issue of printing. American comics have been traditionally cheap magazines whereas manga is printed in a paperback format so its sturdier and less cumbersome to take with you
>One Piece.
This series is too fricking stupid to take seriously and its such a slog trudging through all the garbage to get to the good stuff. I think weebs have some of the worst media bias in existence, second only to tendies.
Any of the big shonen are for children. They're basically the same audience as western comics, thats why they are also just as shit.
>americans have bad taste
but they don't buy western comics, as OP's pic clearly shows
Jew: its woke its the americans
Other israelites: I agree
Basically this board for the last few days, why are they so on edge
its not woke*
>whereas american comics, even in their best years, were always considered to be undergound and quite niche.
What? Up until the 90s or so comics were everywhere because, you know, there was nothing else to do and they were like 10 cents.
Thoughever, you are a pedophile.
You're also kind of ignoring the markets. The big comic companies literally made a legal deal that you can ONLY go though the direct market to buy comics, meaning you have to go to speciality retailers to buy them.
Some kind of long text full of cope.
Comics went bankrupt because they started going woke, and even when sales declined and even when the most hardcore fans stopped buying comics they doubled down.
Simple as.
Comic sales have been declining longer than you've been alive moron. We're two years away from the 30th Anniversary of Marvel declaring bankruptcy.
>Manga.
>Good.
AH HA HA HA HAH!!!!
>inb4 some moron thinks I'm defending capeshit.
HAHA AHHHAAHAHAH!
The industry is, which was the point.
Perhance.
Nope.
I never got into comics because there's decades worth of content, with no real clear beginning or end.
You can't pick up "Batman" and read it, there's 50 different versions of Batman, from 50 different artists, that all have their own interpretation of the character.
Don't believe me?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Batman_comics
Oh sorry, there's MORE than 50. Absolutely ridiculous.
Where's the definitive experience for Batman? There is none, at least in comic form. Batman: The Animated Series is considered to be the definitive experience, which is why it's a beloved series to this day.
Manga on the other hand, is very clear where it begins and ends.
For example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fist_of_the_North_Star_chapters
This is Fist of the North Star, a legendary manga, it has 245 chapters and 27 volumes. Buronson wrote it and Tetsuo Hara illustrated it. End of fricking story.
That isn't to say western comics don't have such examples, they just aren't as common, and nobody really wants to read the more than 50 artist interpretations of Batman except for hardcore fans, which is why it doesn't sell.
There are three Batman movies made by three different directors starring three different actors portraying a different version of Batman which all crossed $800+ million at the box office within the last 15 years.
The best Batman stories are ironically the things that are their own continuity.
You can just read Batman Year One.
You can just read The Long Halloween.
You can just read Gotham By Gaslight.
You can just read The Dark Knight Returns.
You can even read the Batman Adventures comics and all they require is that you've watched Batman The Animated Series.
It's easy as so many of those stories can be read as stand alone stories that only require you to know that Bruce Wayne's parents were killed in front of him, and it inspired him to be Batman.
The problem is keeping up with the actual Batman comic book.
>in their bwst yearsconsidered to be underground and niche
They were sold in newspaper stands and a ton of other places for a long time and fairly popular. I wouldn't call that underground or niche.
What manga do all the cool kids read these days?
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game?
Absolute Obedience Crisis
does she have hairy armpits?
Choujin X and Kagurabachi are pretty good
Hibachi No Buko Teriyaki Yum Yum Go! Force X Godzilla N.E.O.
GTO and Jojo's Bizarre Adventure.
>GTO
takes me back
but its not the early 2000s anymore
Onizuka is based as frick. Mr Slap Happy arc was hot as frick.
Based fellow GTO enjoyer, I've been re-reading the series the last few weeks, it's really good.
OP and all the Naruto/Bleach wannabees:
Jushitsu Kaisen, the one with the sword kid with the hot mute big tiddy sister, Shitgeki no Kyoujin, etc.
>Shitgeki no Kyoujin
Will it go down as having the worst ending of all time or does GOT take the title?
What the frick is that manga image legit. I thought that the good guys won against Eren.
>Avengers
>Good guys
Last manga I read through was Dai Dark, pretty neat series.
Anything in Shounen Jump.
Not surprising. Western comics are quite literally corporate manufactured goyslop.
Brainwashed dumbasses, christ.
Go read spiderman meets obama again.
I'm waiting for the Spider-Man meets Trump during the prison escape arc
They're not wrong.
People like manga because a lot of it is made by degenerates just like the consumer, while a lot of comics are made by blue haired starbucks sipping artschool graduates who like to lecture their readers.
And somehow the former always has more sophisticated writing, because it comes from a place of passion and not a sense of smug superiority.
I don't know the name of a single living western comic book writer. In fact, I barely know the title of any western comic books, not beyond Spiderman, and Batman, Superman anyway. I think this illustrates the absolute state of things perfectly.
Western comics are primarily made by companies. The production staff is told what to do, and they do it.
Manga has a lot more variety and allows for more experimentation.
Why are you using the word "western" when you just mean american. This is not the case for Europe.
what kind of european comics are there even
Alan Moore is technically eur*pean, so even if he's published by DC, Killing Joke and Watchmen might count as euro comics
Isn't Judge Dredd and 2000AD euro?
This lmao
Europe is completely irrelevant in terms of media. Literally the only EU comic I know of is Asterix. I an certain comics in Europe have much more in common with American comics than with manga, hence the fitting term "western."
I often just associate "Western" with the Anglosphere. The rest of Europe hasn't produced anything culturally relevant (especially in mass media) in the past century.
British music has a lot of influence on American music, and vice versa
Agreed, that's why I said "Anlgosphere" (US, Canada, UK, Australia, etc.)
oh you said anglosphere, I'm dumb
>I often just associate "Western" with the Anglosphere. The rest of Europe hasn't produced anything culturally relevant (especially in mass media) in the past century.
Exactly. Europe is basically culturally irrelevant in 2k24.
It does, but it's not Europe. It's part of the Anglosphere.
>I an certain comics in Europe have much more in common with American comics
Comics in Uk are for children.
I haven't seen a comic here outside of in head shops that have a small comic area for decaes.
As a kid there were childrens comics, denis the menace for example (beano) and some sexual adult stuff, light innuendo comics.
but then there is graphic novel authors.
The watchmen is british
judge dredd
tank girl
Constantine
Many more done by british guys.
Though that was probably by a small subculture not a large pop culture
>if you recognize and point out that tools being used to brainwash people, you yourself are brainwashed
What level of doublethink is this?
The slave to the israelites kind
Keep defending wall street you pathetic slave.
the biggest writer in the medium is literally admittedly ex cia, moron.
Western comics are propaganda and on top of that im tried of Spider Man and Super Man being rehashed for the 50th time.
This but I'll extend the complaint about rehashing to manga and anime too. 99.9% of it is rehashed shit. We dont need any more monkey king stories. We don't need any more harem stories. We don't need any more isekai.
At least the art is pleasing to look at unlike western shit that just looks like noise on a page.
>We dont need any more monkey king stories. We don't need any more harem stories. We don't need any more isekai.
Anon, do you even know what you're saying right now? I mean, when you say isekai what kind of series come to mind?
Too many to name. Especially when you come to realize even Mario is technically an isekai.
The current trend of unhappy person being magically transported to a fantasy realm where they are the chosen one in particular is WAY overdone.
I can at least find new mangas with niche ideas every now and then. The manga industry seems far more open to giving new talent a shot, even if its just a few black and white pages
>nick&lever
my Black person
It's just superheroes. Do something different. Hire better artists. No woke shit.
That's the funny thing: the western comic industry has plenty of non-superhero comics. Horror, thriller, science fiction, etcetera.
The problem is that westerners don't buy them because they prefer to buy superhero shit so said non-cape comics are always pretty niche and never make enough waves to generate a change on the industry.
How did capeshit end up dominating western comics so much? Manga doesn't have that kind of problem.
Pic related.
The western comic book industry was pretty diverse on its infancy and superhero comics only were a part of it... until the moral guardians decided to declare them the scapegoat for everything wrong with youth and managed to convince the industry to self-policy itself.
The only comic books that could be legally published without offending the comic code were cape comics, so the entire industry focused on them, killing the medium on its crib.
It's a shame. Conceptually, those old non-capelike detective comics were kino. And no, the irony isn't lost on me about DC's name.
that is completely 100% wrong
everyone ignores western comics because all they produce is capeshit, nobody makes anything but capeshit and nobody buys capeshit and idiots like you take this to mean the only thing that will sell is capeshit despite the overwhelming evidence proving capeshit actually isn't wanted by literally fricking anyone and all it's all just preachy propaganda by the out of touch woke moron classists and racist bigots
>that is completely 100% wrong
Your post? Absolutely
Why do you talk about an industry you know nothing about?
Dark horse is mid, IDW is for sonic and megaman, and admittedly I don't know anything about avatar. The logo kinda reminds me of Valiant, so lets at least try and make this video game related.
Who owns the rights to the Turok comic series now?
>darkhorse
>Michael Gombos, senior director of licensed publications at Dark Horse, added: “This is our third year running for setting sales records at Dark Horse. Manga is a very small part of our total titles published—about one to one and a half percent, but in 2021, it was 66% of our gross trade publishing revenue. In 2022, that's dipped to a paltry 52%.”
>total titles published—about one to one and a half percent
>it was 66% of our gross trade publishing revenue
>In 2022, that's dipped to a paltry 52%.”
You have zero media literacy
Good.
Why do you people insist on commenting on things you know nothing about
>they prefer to buy superhero shit
how do non shounen manga still outsell everything in the usa then?
The people who buy manga are a new generation of young people who had manga as their first exposure to printed comics, and will move on when they grow into adulthood.
Name five western horror/thriller/scifi comics
Crossed
Neonomicon
XIII
Caliban
Caligula
>Do something different
Read the work of independent comic book writers if you want something different.
>indieslop
no thanks
this is the gayest fricking post i've seen in a while, and i've been reading homosexual takes about stellar blade for days
You sound like a Marvel fan.
lol. lmao even. i would never be caught dead reading a western comic of any kind. capeshit in either comics or movies is the gayest form of "entertainment". i would rather watch kids movies or cheesy romcoms made for women
>Our food grew everywhere.
How to tell me they've never even read a wilderness survival book without telling me.
Every company cook the numbers, everyone who did a single day of job know this, all data is fake
new comics are like "Alternate universe Spiderman has gay sex with alternate universe Iron Man and they are both brown-skinned and white people are evil"
Marvel deserves to fail.
>non-stop world/universe shaking events every six months since Fear Itself
>shit gets forgotten in a matter of months and back to zero again
>writers who can't give two fricks about what the writers before them did
>for years they tried to pander to MCU fans. MCU fans don't read comic books
>killing and reviving characters more often than in Dragon Ball
That's just the tip of the iceberg.
Yep. Because the identiy with comic books has always been:
>stoic unrelatable adults go on death defying action sprees every day and also every couple of years everything gets reset
It's more rare to experience somber moments of character growth that feel like seeing a friend you've been close with since school, grow up and change.
Majority of comic book characters are fully realized adults and they only exist for a few books before being retconned for a new series to start.
This is usually a superhero comic problem only but it still sucks because superheros have dominated comics since they started existing.
I'd be echoing the old (and true) points everyone has hashed out before, so to offer a new thought:
If anime and manga tried to have as much of a multiverse interconnection of everything, it would start to flounder too. You can enjoy HunterXHunter or Naruto or Demon Slayer or DBZ or One Piece as they are, no need to have to go into this rabbit's nest of other interconnected bullshit. I am sure, maybe initially, you'd have manga fans like this idea of a grand multiverse connection of things. Then it'd rapidly sour. This is not to say other elements like the moral soapboxing or what you said aren't at play for them failing, especially the death-rebirth-death-rebirth bullshit and the woke shit. See
what he said too. If I wanna start on Naruto or even DBZ it's a little more intuitive than batman.
Funnily enough the only comics I've read any time recently that I enjoyed were something like DMZ +10 years ago, Elric a few years ago (the french ones), Y the last man like 10 years ago, Age of Bronze or whatever the Trojan war one was called awhile back too.
You're missing the forest for the trees. Manga succeeds because it is creator driven and designed to tell a story, with a beginning and end.
Comics flounder because they change writers like an std in a frat house and they are designed to continue indefinitely. Artistic vision becomes lost in the pursuit of a product.
This doesn't matter in the slightest. What matters is that you literally can't buy comics at all unless you go to a speciality store and pre-order them at a relatively high price for a handful of pages
I can go to my local bookstore right now and buy some current year comics. Or I could, if they hadn't stopped selling them because of zero customer interest kek.
Oh yeah hellboy too, someone mentioned that.
I'm right to assume it was some peak boomer who wrote it? If you think about it it's a little understandable why boomers were so fawning lovey dovey with Israel, both because of the geopolitical nature of it back then but also pop culture really leaned HARD on it. Pic related was on the level of Gone with the wind and Ben Hur (Note the name), the Enteppe raid had a bunch of made for tv movies and if people think slava ukraine is obnoxious I hate Russians, mind you, but slava ukraine is cringe Israel got that x1000fold in pop culture. And now all that good will is gone because they got greedy. Like tears in the rain.
To make it VIDYA related, if not for the controversies of it I'd have liked a Red Orchestra: Holy Wars where you play 67-82 conflicts. AKs and Fals and Uzis and shit, what's not to like.
Yeah that's a better way of putting it I guess. The manga is a story first and foremost, even when it becomes a sensational hit (look at Toriyama's work with DBZ), while comics the original authors are long dead or sold out/bought out so it just becomes an "IP". Which is the heart of the issue, innit. Japanese stuff that does well tends to be a concept and story, Western stuff is now all IPs, be it LOTR or Star Wars or Warhammer or Star Trek or whatever.
This video sums it up pretty well.
I'm not adding this absolutely fricking worthless essay trash to my algorithm.
Comic books pander to people who don't read comic books. Manga panders to people who read manga.
>Do you think american companies cook their numbers over their units sold?
Too late
Comics are too pozzed with peeminism, commies and homosexualry
Comics are shit because they spend all their time retelling the same stories using the same characters for decades. Why would I bother reading new shitty comics when I could just look at older ones that tell the same stories with the same characters but have better art and less blatant political injections in them?
>Spiderman Dies... AGAIN!
>Spiderman Returns!: The Returnining
Manga does even capeshit better. My Hero is comfy, fun and has no anti-white/anti-male politics.
I have no idea how actual comicgays exist. The writing in them is fricking heinous
Shits so fricking weird these days.. I have a black coworker who has the ultra instinct theme song as his ringtone, and was reading death note the other day ( said that girlfriend of light is a bad b***h I don't think he knows she's like a 15 year old child)
What the frick is going on.
>Where do I start with Demon Slayer
Chapter 1
>Where do I start with Batman
Well this run is good, also this seperate run is good, oh avoid this run, oh avoid anything by this artist, everything by this artist is good, do your research.
Not to mention DC and Marvel writers blatantly shoving in their agendas.
People be like "oh just find an original comic" and I did but when it's sales dropped they still fricking threw it into a gigafrick crossover event where dudes from every other comic they owned had one big story together, and that was the entire ending. I swear the protag even just stopped showing up after some point.
>I swear the protag even just stopped showing up after some point.
lol
This is another big issue. While lots of volumes might be intimidating, there's a clear order in manga, while comics are all over the place in terms of quality. Doesn't help you could pick two different comics from different years and have storylines going on in different universes without realizing it, or be attached to a specific verse and then suddenly there are more issues when you find out it just kind of ends abruptly.
This is literally a zoomer problem - let me break it down.
Imagine you're like, 16 in the mid 2000s and everyone's talking about how good Lost is, it's already on episode 10 and episode 11 is airing tomorrow.
What do you do in this situation? Do you go out and buy all the Lost DVDs hoping to catch up before the one airing of episode 11 happens at 9pm? Said Lost DVDs which probably don't even include episode 10 since it aired last week?
Or do you just suck it up and start watching from episode 11 so you can be part of the conversation the next day?
This is just how people consumed content back then, you went through the brand new stuff as it was coming out and maybe you'd go back to some of the old ones in your own time.
In this environment comics could thrive, because people understood that you could just pick a comic off the shelf and start reading from there, just like with TV.
Now though? Because everything's on streaming you can't start a show from the middle, you HAVE to catch up from the start before you're even allowed to touch the new content, and people think this is the only way you can experience anything - even movie and game sequels suffer from this to a certain extent, people are too moronic to just enjoy what's in front of them.
So now you can't just pick Spider-Man #1074 off the shelf to have a good time, you better go all the way back to 1962 to read all 1000 issues from the start even though they're awful and Spidey talks like a jackass.
>even movie and game sequels suffer from this to a certain extent, people are too moronic to just enjoy what's in front of them.
People insisting the entire metal gear solid series, a series of mostly disconnected stories in a larger timeline with literally HOURS of recap and exposition to catch you up, must be played in chronological order because of this fricking pisses me off to no end
Lmao, ruining the story experience for yourself so you can talk about it with people is fricking peak NPC.
Ask literally any game developer about "do I need to play the old games to get this one" and they'll go "no please play my new game don't play my shitty old game"
Probably because they make way more money if you buy their new game
That reminds me of when Mass Effect 3 was being developed and Bioware kept saying that ME 3 was a perfect starting point to the franchise.
a new comic idea is making a previously white super hero black and a new manga idea is demon slayer.
>a new manga idea is generic shounenshit
still miles better than anything the comic industry has ever produced
All data is cooked, see: covid
I can pick up any manga and there's a good chance that SOMETHING interesting will be in there even if the manga sucks.
>Wargaming/Warhammer
I don't get it.
I guess he's talking about novels, books with rules and role, probably miniatures.
It's quite simple really
Comics are and always have been propaganda tools first and foremost
Manga are earnest attempts at entertaining the reader
Oof, The marvel cinematic universe (Avengers 1 and guardians of the Redditgalaxy) did irreparable damage to comics.
There are good western comics, but the vast majority are marvel and DC books that have like 50+ authors for one character over the years and no real sense of continuity or consistency.
The one thing the japs do right with their comics is let the writer do their thing until they say they want to pass the IP on or not.
Kaiji and Akagi's numerous spinoffs are all top quality despite all being made by different people. I guess that's the power of Mahjong Autism
Kobayashi-san's Dragon Maid, and Cells at Work both have a dozen spinoffs and they range from pretty good to kinda shit
And if you wanna get technical, there are billions of doujin works about popular shows made by independent artists that are sold at local manga conventions
Even my favourite comics like 2000AD and Judge Dredd go off the deep end with their politics recently (yes the series is a highly political one in the first place criticising British and American culture) its nearly impossible to find actual interesting settings or stories in western comics anymore where the focus is on its own universe, especially ones that dont force down how evil "white men" are every page instead of actually doing shit related to the story.
Manga has kino like Dorohedoro, BLAME and hundreds of other original and interesting worlds and characters. Outside of a few French comics I rarely see western comics explore their universes and instead prefer to focus on moronic shit like allegories for modern social issues or how evil we are for not supporting Israel phosphorous bombing infants. shame its hard to find translations for French comics.
is that page real?
of course it is, who am i kidding
yea its notorious to the fans, shame I really like the setting but it goes to shit halfway through
This comic peaked far too early, in regards to both writing and art.
Me on the right
Man the israelites tried so hard to push any anti-Israel views as being connected to right wing nazi's. Amazing how it all blew up in the last few months.
It's so fricking funny watching leftoids walk on eggshells when bashing Israel.
they made one hell of a Golem and accidentally pointed it at themselves, its poetic really
The people saying "The left are the real Nazis!" for the last decade turned out to have been right all along.
why would a man from before the beginning of earth have any idea what MRA is, what racism is, or even israel?
The Earth is 5000 years old, and Israel has always been there, sweaty.
The MRA thing makes sense, it's just modern phrasing that sucks in context. The part about Israel is just fricking moronic. Sure, it's supposed to be a "joke", but it's an incredibly moronic one.
Sexism, racism, and anti-semitism have always been with us, so it's no surprise that a character who's the incarnation of the backwards barbaric old ways would be spouting support for all of them.
>anti-semitism
>backwards
i am on the right
there are thousand ways that he could have done this commentary but instead he chose the most moron one,western lterature is dead
The ending to fables still makes me seethe to this day
>recently
>posts a page from 2006
2006 was only like 3 years ago, dude. what's the problem?
I've honestly never met a single person who buys comics. Manga and warhammer, yeah. Even one-off western graphic novels. But actual western comics? Literally never met a single person into them and I've always been a nerd.
I know people who used to, pretty much all of them burnt out and sold it all years ago. At most they just keep a couple batman omnibuses.
>comics are ironically the more mature medium in terms of target demographic
A lot of people mistake shonen stuff for being very older-teenager aimed because it's willing to have wacky comedy, a little sexuality, and some characters getting their heads cut off all in one volume. Comics feels split, characters either just knock each other out over and over or someone gets torn in half while screaming "SH*T". I don't think it's really a matter of maturity, more intended audience. I don't think comics are made for any age group.
Frankly I think they really did just get fricked over by the comics code and now they don't know what they are.
The only time I really got into comics was during the Age of Apocalypse arc. That shit was cool. I think I collected almost every issue.
I literally have never met a single person who reads comic books. How are they still around
i have the hellboys ones,they are pretty "ok"
I read french comics not much gets translated anyway and some non-cape western comics. The only capes I have in my collection is Kick-Ass.
Even excessive SJW LGBTBlack person propaganda shit aside, I just can't imagine reading something scattered across 5,000 gorillions of different issues and universes and canons and not-canons and god knows what else. All of them written by 5,000 gorillion different authors with no clear vision. Seriously, capeshit was a mistake.
>I just can't imagine reading something scattered across 5,000 gorillions of different issues and universes and canons and not-canons and god knows what else. All of them written by 5,000 gorillion different authors with no clear vision
Funny how the moment they decided to organize their shit with MCU, it blew up
give me some good french stuff, only ever read Lastman and some scifi stuff
requiem
story is funny (in a shit way) but the art is fire. same dude who did the HoMM5 art.
not gonna lie its looks like a warhammer aprody,we even have the emperor in.
still gonna give it a try.
oh it's worse than that. still ridiculously kino art.
I ain't him but I liked the elric comics by "by Julien Blondel (Author), Didier Poli (Illustrator), Robin Recht (Illustrator)" (I just googled the amazon copy of it). I don't like the elric books, but it was well drawn and well told.
Blacksad is great too. And in retrospect I find it funny some Spanish-French authors could do a better job with fricking furries telling a captivating story in race-tense Southern USA than any hack American author can now.
What's that french author from the past? Mobius something? He might like it in terms of sheer baroque artstyle.
>when the welfare cheque is late
Blacksad is great.
Arctic Nation has one of my favorite opening sequences in a comic ever.
I've been reading Lone Sloane recently, worth it just for the art imho
Corto Maltese.
(Italy>>>>fr)
Iron Squad
This looks great, wouldn't be surprised if it's not translated to English.
It doesn't have any text, at all. The author is British.
>Lurk Ganker when they were discovering french stuff
>Check in on that front now as much as I can without actually having to go to that autist hive
>LeChatVert/Bleu is dead and now all their archived shit is gone for good
Fricking worthless-ass bunch of manchildren can't do anything right except jerk off to Nickelodeon characters now.
>All of them written by 5,000 gorillion different authors with no clear vision
This is a very big one. A manga artist usually has some grand story he wants to tell, something he wants to show to the world... comic is more like many different people taking turns to frick a prostitute (a superhero of choice) while putting their "spin" on it.
You need to make more friends then
I read and collect pic related. Or used to, the new ones suck ass.
If it pleases the entitled circlejerk that is any particular company's top officers and shareholders, I'm sure American companies will lie about anything they believe they'll never get caught for
OK STOP REPLYING TO THE ANGLOSPHERE POST WERE ALL CONFUSED
Absolutely not. American entertainment products are selling just fine. The issue is that you have a bunch of snot noses nerds who think that they know everything avout everything. They keep saying "Oh this is woke, this is awful." Newsflash: the products you complain about are selling gangbusters.
To deal with Japanese competition, I just say slap a huge tariff on it or just ban it. It's all degenerate anti American crap anyway.
israelite
1. There is no need to be antisemitic. I was just stating facts. I have no idea about me being israeli has anything to do with this discussion.
2. Ad homenim attacks do not change what I am saying.
1. What I have done with my body is no one's concern.
2. I have no idea what me being transgender has to do with this.
1. Not a shill. Been a fan of American comics and videogames for decades.
2. Not lying. There is data to backup what I am saying.
3. Ad homenim attacks do not work.
4. Your opinion.
Bloody children these days I swear...
pretty good bait, kys regardless
thank you gpt4 very cool now kys
Cutting off your dick isn't American.
lmao an actual shill
you are lying, you are dumb, you are wrong
lol
Our local shop shutdown the other week. On closing day we went down and just straight up heckled the owner all afternoon. Most fun I've had in awhile. Frick these comic shops, they know what they did. No mercy.
Bane?
This is the difference in sales reports between "units shipped" and "units sold"
I hate western games.
If only manga wasn't filled with NTRshit...
>no beret
Mangachads won
Comictrannies lost
I hope Warhammer Fantasy Battles comes back, I miss it so much and AGE OF SHITMAR sucks donkey dicks
>read Watchmen, supposedly a comic book masterpiece
>it's alright
>read Berserk, supposedly a manga masterpiece
>it's the best thing I've read
no brainer tbh
i liked both
I liked both as well, but Berserk mogs Watchmen so hard is not even fair
They're from different genres but both are hailed as the peak of their medium
wish there was more dark medieval fantasy manga that was actually good, very rare.
Claymore is pretty much a Beserk ripoff with girls but its fun and there are some enjoyable historical fiction manga like VInland Saga and Wolfsmund, but I need more with low fantasy shit like monsters and a bit of magic
I've always loved Berserk but Mugen no Juunin was a bit better for me, give it a read or a watch sometime, I promise it's worth your time.
I believe the thing about Watchmen is that a lot of its value comes from the fact that its parodying and deconstructing cape comics so unless you are familiar with superhero comics through the 60's-80's and all the endemic tropes, cliches and frequently moronic writing, you won't 'get' all of it.
Read The Crow. Great artstyle, story is simple but resonant, doesn't overstay its welcome.
spawn is unironically great up until ~150. it has a definite finale then just keeps on going unfortunately.
>Berserk
Hey how's the next chapter coming along after that 15 year hiatus the author took?
What? He dead?No continues?No refunds?
Well so much for creator owned IPs lol.
Meanwhile everything that i read as a kid is still relevant to this day and will continue to be for generations to come whilst yours is forever not finished.
>my cliché capeshit is le good because its le....le relevant...!!!
3/10 bait or im laffin good one
Isn't Berserk being continued by the authors assistant? Hopefully he manages to stick the landing, never read Berserk but heard a lot of great things about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70GD2SBCq64
Yes but only one of these will see any progression in its story within YOUR lifetimes you weeaboo losers lmao
Let me help you narrow it down : not Berserk.
If there's no vision, what's the point?
Anon Berserk is in its final arc, whereas cape shit will never ever end and any time the characters actually get any sort of progression they'll just reset them. Remember when Peter got One More Dayd?
your capeshit has zero progression, at all, ever, shit bait
>Artist dies
>His story is passed down to his pupils he's worked with for over a decade and closest lifelong friend
Meanwhile in capeshit
>Artist dies
>Character is handed off to the newest employee and raped for decades with shit art, a new nonsensical story filled with extremely forced libshit ideology.
wdym they did all of that while stan lee was alive
>Hey how's the next chapter coming along after that 15 year hiatus the author took?
His trained pupils and childhood best friend took over production and managed to sucessfully replicate his art and storytelling, next chapter is out this week.
>Meanwhile everything that i read as a kid is still relevant to this day
You're being nostalgia baited, moron
>my favorite characters in media have all been slopified so much that it doesn't even matter if the original creators haven't been involved with them in decades!
Sad.
The author fricked up because he thought he was gonna live for another 10 years. But that wasn't unreasonable since he was still pretty young. Still he could have made the story shorter.
I still like the read comics from time to time but in general it's true that the highs are much rarer than in manga and there are very few comics that go beyond a 7/10 in manga.
Alan Moore once made a guide for writing comics and his advice was just to copy Frank Miller because Miller was copying manga. This wasn't about modern Frank Miller tho.
Aren't most Western comics superhero or superhero-adjacent? Manga has series' in every possible genre and in every possible art style, but from what I've seen most comics seem to have similar art styles.
Western comics suffer from the same innate issues that western animation suffers from:
Seen as childish or niche by normies in the west, and severely constrained as far as genres/variety goes.
Anyone know the name of that one scifi comic about the last human going around fricking aliens and exploring weird space, who has also been used as the geneseed of an entire evil race of bioengineered clones
I read manga about genetically modified animal soldiers going AWOL created using a brain virus originated from a mayan tribe with canibalistic rituals recently
I feel like if this was a western comic it would have been preachy as shit, saying how the mayan canibals are all brave hearoes and how whitey is bad.
Read Kouya ni kemono doukokusu, it's cool as frick.
>cool as frick
One of the most cringy moronic reddit expressions out there
Ok, Black person. You want me to say it "goes hard as rizz" or something?
That phrase existed long before reddit.
>he doesn't read kino
Ura baito honestly does horror way better than junji ito ever could
art looks terrible
sauce?
My guilty pleasure is dark and edgy comics.
But nowadays it's either "dark and edgy in the same way Gravity Falls is considered dark and edgy" or "dark and edgy, but capeshit".
I hate our insecure, irony poisoned culture.
American comic book companies don't report numbers sold, they report numbers shipped. There's a known practice among American comic book companies called overshipping where they ship free extra copies of comics to comic book shops in order to pad their numbers.
Yes. Absolutely.
Go woke go broke
Reading the latest x-men comic I realize these writers have no idea what they're doing
I'm not familiar with the inner workings of the industry, but is writing for DC and Marvel sort of like the entry level position? People shoving their agendas into superhero comics screams to me that they'd rather be doing something more "mature" but are stuck with capeshit.
Comics are the most poisoned by DEI shit thanks to Marvel movies hitting big, now Marvel and DC thinks it can trick foids and minorities into buying 300 issues of Black Spiderman because they think they will never lose the white male audience
>Comics are the most poisoned by DEI shit thanks to Marvel movies hitting big,
this user was radicalized by black panther getting a movie
oh yea, the push for Squirrel Girl drawn by Tumblr artists was totally organic
that was almost ten years ago, was part of a mass relaunching of comics, was wildly unpopular in actual print, ryan north was given squirrel girl specifically because nobody actually gives a shit about her as a character, and the writing was way worse than the actual art
"i don't like it" does not mean "inorganic," this is an especially horrible argument in light of unbeatable squirrel girl being part of a mass relaunch of marvel comics in general which you probably don't know or care about, and my advice is you learn the difference between your opinions and reality
You sound like you purchased Female Thor and tweeted about it
you sound fricking clueless about the whole subject and only go off of archetypal Ganker outrage-bait
pick up a (comic) book, Black person
NTA
>pick up a (comic) book, Black person
How? I don't understand how you're SUPPOSED to enjoy them.
Forget all the woke nonsense and pandering and whatever political complaints you have for a second.
How do you actually enjoy a story that gets reset constantly? How do you enjoy sifting through a flowchart of connected canon stories in 12 different comics just to get the full picture of a single "event"? Why would I bother?
I have tried repeatedly with different non-capeshit IPs, Spawn and The Darkness both were interesting to me. And yet every time I try and pick them up I have to also go find an autistic flowchart just to follow the story. Its like trying to follow Kingdom Hearts just for basic ass stories. Why do comic fans put up with this bullshit? When I pick up any manga I just read it in fricking order like a normal person.
>How do you actually enjoy a story that gets reset constantly?
You read one self-contained run you like, and then pretend that everything after is non-canon. There's really no other way.
So you have to act like a moron with a short attention span? Whats the point of the wider story then? Maybe I am autistic but it just seems like a shoddy way to put together a story if you're literally encouraged to not give a shit about how or why half of it is happening.
Especially with
what you said, it just seems like its encouraging the shallowest fricking shit. "Just ignore an entire character being introduced and being part of the story, with an apparently pre-established relationship, but you have zero context or background on" it sounds more like reading children's stories or AI dungeon where they just throw events together and ignore the setup it needs.
If this is how comic readers encourage you to read, then no wonder I've always found them fricking shit.
>So you have to act like a moron with a short attention span?
For smaller characters, one run is about 6 issues long, for bigger ones it can be over 100. One run doesn't mean "Read a single issue and let that be it".
But as you said, it DOES involve completely ignoring shit that, in a normal story, would be explained or not present. Random callbacks to other events, in a real story, are things that you would reasonably have read. Apparently in comics you are supposed to just fricking say "oopsie daisy guess I didn't read that" and just ignore it, like some ADHD moron who skips dialogue in a video game.
I guess comics are truly a children's medium, because only a child would ignore things being written about like they are supposed to know about them, yet they didn't because they're in another comic run.
Again, it just seems like a sloppy, shitty way to write a story. A clear bait to try and make people read more than they normally would to get the full context.
>But as you said, it DOES involve completely ignoring shit that, in a normal story, would be explained or not present. Random callbacks to other events, in a real story, are things that you would reasonably have read. Apparently in comics you are supposed to just fricking say "oopsie daisy guess I didn't read that" and just ignore it, like some ADHD moron who skips dialogue in a video game.
That's what I meant with self-contained. There's stories where there are no callbacks or the callbacks are to an earlier part of the same run.
You know I'm really glad the invisible author did an actual ending.
I jist hope he does not give in to the temptation of not ending
what the other guy said, read runs, rather than worrying about an overarching plotline among the comic's entire run
Well first off you have to stop being autistic
Once you do that you realize that it literally does not matter - you don't need to know who Johnny Storm is if he shows up at the start of a Spider-Man story, he's one of Spidey's superhero friends, his relevancy begins and ends there.
The only thing you actually do need to pay attention to is like if at the end of an issue it says "continued in whatever other bullshit comic" but if it doesn't say that you can just keep reading, and if Spidey says something like "oh boy I sure am glad to have gotten rid of that Halloween costume* in issue #3 of Web of Spider-Man" just don't even bother because who the frick cares about Spider-Man having a Halloween costume you can just chalk it up to something that happened off screen lol
You really do not need to bother with all the side bullshit - even if the story you're reading happens to coincide with a big event you can just read that event for the character you care about and disregard what everyone else is doing it's fine.
>People shoving their agendas into superhero comics screams to me that they'd rather be doing something more "mature" but are stuck with capeshit.
This is like 90% of western media writers. Everyone wants to be some big shot israeli Hollywood director, or at least an author, but they get stuck in comics or vidya. So the rest of us get the the triple whammy of being stuck with the talentless hacks who couldn't be a big shot, who are californian neoliberals with an axe to grind and an agenda to promote, and who are extremely bitter about their station in life.
People keep saying comics are dying buy buddy made around 1m from his graphic novel. This whole conversation sounds moronic. I don't ready comics but it obviously easy to make money from it.
What was his graphic novel?
>People keep saying comics are dying
they very clearly are
>buddy made around 1m from his graphic novel
good for him?
my buddy made 2 mils and my dad works at Marvel
It's because the American comics are hot sellers and get produced on a massive scale.
The mangas are ordered in limited quantities since it's usually only the unwashed fatlus types, and neetbux isn't exactly a lot of spending money.
They don't sell for shit. They overship them and then claim good numbers.
You're not buying the right comic books.
comics and manga are both shit. grow up you fricking manchildren.
>he says on a shiteogame board
This, true grown men watch paint dry for entertainment
nah
>Jap anime/manga industry
Has mecha, so it's cool.
>Western comic/cartoon industry
Does not have mecha, so it's shit.
Simple as.
Even in the rare case the west produces anything mecha related, it's just a parody of toonami stuff.
It's sad, really.
>Has mecha, so it's cool.
My homie
What the frick anime did you just post holy moly.
>he hasn't watched Gaogaigar
It's the epitome of manliness.
I wish I had a goldion hammer webm to post.
>thread so full of newbies that they can't recognize one of the most notable mecha anime to release.
>posts Escaflowne
>doesn't know Gaogaigar
How is that possible? Was Escaflowne on toonami?
It was on fox kids if I remember right. At least it was in bongtopia
Yea, Escaflowne was normie shit
I remember seeing it on TV, but it wasn't Cartoon Network. Maybe the Science Channel. They would rarely show anime late at night.
Its Gaogaigar anon go watch it. Also go eatch G Gundam while you're at it
RG Gao is such a solid kit and I found a goldymarg at a decent price the other day.
Can you disassemble the right one into small individual robots?
You know it
Zamn that's cool.
>Imperialdramon
My homie
I bought two of them
I have a magnamon too
Paildramon in the autumn
Ulforce never 🙁
im still cooping that i would never get the metalgreymon model and the Machinedramon models....
I like the Soul of Chogokin one a bit more, but yes, its pretty neat
GaoGaiGar
>genesic
Ew
Weeb mechas are gay only the west knows how to make mechas proper.
t. muh realism chicken walker gaygoid
>Has mecha, so it's cool.
DBZ, Pokemon anime, and Naruto buckbroke the israelitemerican entertainment system. Think what you will, but both had a huge cultural impact on 90's/00's kids. I wore the Naruto headband in higschool, it was the Itachi scratched out leaf village one, wore it as a necklace, shit was cool as frick. No one cares about westernshit like that.
My biggest issue is it is all superhero shit. Where as Manga is superhero adjacent so they can do a lot more with it.
>local autistic shithole represents the world
why are americans like this
I've been learning to draw and write for years now so I can tell a story I've been cooking up (not capeshit) but I'm afraid of this industry bros
take the webcomic pill. No higherups to worry about, no schedules to follow, no audience to disappoint. Just you and your mediocre comic that no one will know about
remember when people cared about disney/pixar animated movies?
Hey, hold up. Pixar and Disney are shit but Netflix, Skydance, and various other companies have poached all their talent over the last 10 years. All those skilled animator who you grew up with in the 90's and 00's still work. They just don't work for legacy studios. People need to stop all this doom and gloom shit. Just because the companies you grow up with are terrible now doesn't mean the talent disapeared. Getting really sick of that narrative.
Frankly I don't think any of that stuff was particularly good, ever. I just remember when these movies being released always felt like a large "happening"
Come on man, you know why. Streaming changed everything. Instead of getting a trickle of content from select sources you get showd from a dozen different platforms. It's hard to have those water-cooler moments in culture when nobody is watch the same stuff. I was reading an article about Seinfeld earlier that discussed this very topic. Every knows that the big happening moments are gone. They are never coming back. Everything changed after covid and the union strikes. I'm just a lowly microphone tech but I can tell you right now. All my jobs are music oriented now. 16 months ago all I did was work with film companies. Everything has changed.
For me, its bandes dessinées
What are some good, modern yuro comics? I only read Tin-Tin
>dude read the X-Men, they've got deep and mature stories!
>The only time Ganker is able to have good discussion about something is when it's about anything but vidya
It's like that on every board.
Ganker actually has really good music taste, and Ganker is probably better cooks than Ganker
gotta cook properly if you wanna be big and stomach eating rice brocc and chicken breast for the 50th day in row
i like anime but never liked mechas
i dont get the appeal
yeah yeah giant robots
so
so what
i just dont get it
it all looks so boring
evangelion and ttgl were cool but they were more than just mecha anime and subverted the genre which is the reason they were interesting
also liked code geass but not because of the mechas. it could have been anything else really
You got it, genius. It was never about the robots.
A lot of mecha series just have phenomenal stories and characters.
You could replace the robots with spaceships or tanks or fighter jets and they would still be great.
>subverted the genre
You haven't watched mecha if you think this. EVERY mecha show is "more than just mecha,"
>You haven't watched mecha
just the 3 i mentioned yeah, because the others looked "mecha only" and that seemed to be the core part, like "big robots fight" and everything is secondary
but what else is there that are as good as these 3
>Code Geass
Was the table rape scene really necessary?
>evangelion and ttgl were cool but they were more than just mecha anime and subverted the genre which is the reason they were interesting
So you haven't seen any mecha anime outside the three mentioned in your post.
>subverted the genre
>subverted the genre
Honestly, "people" like you would never understand SUPER ROBOT SPIRITS.
>yeah yeah giant robots
>so
>so what
It's fricking cool, that's it.
>"unlike other mecha shows this one is about the humans"
Can someone please point me towards these mythical mecha shows that I keep hearing about that are just about empty tin cans with no pilots?
Please, I gotta know where normies are getting this shit from. It really baffles me especially when Gundam is ENTIRELY about fricking human drama.
>ttgl subverted the genre
>literally a historical retelling of the genre and beyond through a dramatic lense, starting with silly combiner super robots, becoming modern eva scifi, and going even further beyond back into super
homieaaaa
>evangelion and ttgl subverted the genre
You should never say anything subverted any genre when you haven't actually watched that genre.
>thread about how much better anime and manga is compared to comics
>every manga posted is either uber-popular shit everyone and their mother has seen or trashy angst / romance shit
Lamest board.
based kinnikuman insanity plot enjoyer
i still can't get over buffalo man's horn breaking the unbreakable glass because it was made of the same material
What's your opinion on Ristorante Paradiso. More importantly, do you like old men with glasses?
Frick yeah Ristorante Paradiso. Handsome old men are handsome. The girl was a bit annoying.
Golden Kamuy has made me realize how disappoint so many seinen manga series are in comparison.
Haven't read Ristorante Paradiso yet, but Not Simple is one of my favorite written works of all time
>Golden Kamui
>Not Simple
I don't think you're allowed to have taste this based
Get out, Fubuki.
>mecha
>uber-popular
Haha it sure is!
Oh wow, you posted GaoGaiGar? The series I can buy on blu ray, in English, right now? The series that I can currently also play through via a video game that is on steam right now?
The franchise where I can go to my local hobby shop and see various model kits expressly for it?
The anime that was so popular, 50% of my /m/ folder from 2008 is just GaoGaiGar related content?
Yeah man, totally obscure.
>GaoGaiGar
>uber-popular
Words have lost all meaning. Nothing fricking matters anymore.
popular is europe and mexico I suppose, but not among english speakers
>mecha
>Popular in mexico
That's not shonenshit, moron.
are we talking about the same gaogaigar?
Yes, the mecha anime. Maybe you're confusing it with DBZ, which is what hispanics love.
Spics like Candy Candy too, they can like more than one thing
That's geriatric spics. Truth is, they like the 90's stuff that was televised here. The only new stuff they adore is shonenshit.
Here he grew up with Saint Seiya,Inuyasha,Ultraman,dbz,candy candy,Gundam,etc
People in latam prefeer More shonens than any other genre
i gave like 4 boxes of manga to the salvation army the other day
some guy taking the boxes was like "is that manga?!!?" and i was like "yep the good stuff haha"
really hoping some poor anime fans can enjoy it but deep down inside i know it's gonna get flipped on the internet
for anyone confused i was too lazy/busy to sell it myself and it was all books I haven't read in 8+ years so it had to go
Same. I gave a bunch of really nice brand name clothes/shoes to goodwill recently. I just know some homosexual gigworker or employee grabbed them and sold them at a 3x markup online.
to be fair, my mom does the exact same thing with a flea market booth so im ok with it. i think it all works out since she buys a lot of stuff from close outs and auctions then donates it back.
the shoes for certain will get flipped, you could sell those on the streets to someone. clothes on the other hand will probably go to a nice home. even designer/expensive shit with the original tag still on it will be on the shelves for weeks.
With all this talk about the downfall of comics, how come no one actually points their interest to non-capeshit comics? Transformers, TMNT and the Spawn franchise seems to be doing well (I know these are 1# issues but still). There's also not much hateboners for these franchises too lol. Seriously most of this comics dying thing seems to be squarely on Marvel and DC caking the frick up with like 20+ comics a year so the top billing comics sell as fine as usual while all the gutter trash just clogs the catalog making it seem very bad for them. I bet if the big 2 narrowed down with less than 13ish current comic runs every 1.5-3 years with the emphasis on quality maybe the industry sales wouldn't make it look so bad for them.
Dude, for real. It's only Marvel and DC that are fricked... well, maybe Dark Horse and IDW as well. But you can still make mountains of money working outside of the pack. Superhero comics definately suck, but comics aren't just about superheros.
>With all this talk about the downfall of comics, how come no one actually points their interest to non-capeshit comics?
this is a thread full of midwits with thirdhand opinions on comics because they don't read comics. Dog man comics make up like 40% of ALL COMIC SALES, a comic is the best selling book in the globe and people will still say comics are dying. Capeshit is dying. Scholastic graphix sell gangbusters because they actually try to make comics for kids. Nothing weird about where to start with modern kids comics, you just pay $10 and get a complete story.
So what's Ganker reading right now?
100 ghost stories that led to my death.
Oh and pumpkin night
The story of Char's big brother
I don't touch yuri in general, but I had this on a rec list so I thought I'd give it a try. What I found out was that
>Women writing about women
is no joke
hot
>no joke
Yeah, you learn that the hard way when you dive deep enough into shoujo manga.
FM Dog Life Dog Style and Gundam Thunderbolt.
I only read/watch mecha
The skybound transformers comic is actually pretty kino. Way better than the sloppa of IDW.
jjk, chainsawman and boys abyss. JJK cause i like hakari, chainsawman because theres a slim chance fujimoto will do another ENTER and boys abyss cause the girls are hot
One Punch Man, Otome Sensou, Savage Hero.
Is it common for light novels to be formatted like shit? Why is every short sentence a new paragraph? This is hell to read.
So, if he was smart he'd make the comic section way smaller to make room and profit from what's selling, manga and warhammer. Why didn't he do that then?
You are all forgetting another huge factor.
>Marvel/DC comic
90% of the time is hardcover, fully colored, and consequently $30.
>Manga
Paperback, black and white, $12.
>hardcover
No? Either way, art like pic related is not worth paying for.
sauce?
black and white unironically have more soul and i will never understand why western comics are all fully colored, they coloring is often so fricking ugly and ruins the art for me
I agree, I wasn't trying to imply otherwise. Just pointing out why they're able to make it so much cheaper. Marvel and DC need to take notes, people really don't give a shit about color.
The key is to flat coloring to not make it look so busy
id still prefer that in black and white, this style probably needs some grey shading, itd look better
I don't really read comics but I also found this Transformers panel cool.
oh yeah that has a lot better composition and effects from what you usually see, it reads well too
This is why they need to bring breakdown artists back into the process. You rarely get kino pages like this without them.
The last panel is nice, but the speech bubble feels very out of place there.
Really does look a whole lot better.
this is insanely better as flats aside from the depth of field panel
They really are obsessed with adding excessive shading to everything
I find capeshit has a serious problem with dynamic composition. Like these frames look ok, they convey what they have to. But then you see how creative some mangas get with their composition and you see how theyre using different camera angles, effects like speed lines, implied blur, fisheye lense effects, etc. They typically convey a sense of speed and action a lot, maybe not better but aggressively.
What's funny is they had a pretty good technique for conveying action in their animated stuff. But in comics they seem to only focus on the before/after, and not the middle frames where the motion is most prevalent.
A common weakness of western comic book artists is that they have a very poor sense of panneling and timing.
As you say, they look fine and convey what is happening. But there is no "flow" between most the panels. You have to expend brainpower (either conciously or subconciously) to fill in the gaps.
For a pure example of how panneling and timing can carry a series, go check out the original One Punch Man comic. Visually it looks like shit, but it reads very well which lets you more easily process the characters and action.
When did Peter get his own glider?
Manga is also a lot easier to access online, most manga costumers of today were, and still are, pirates first.
You also get a lot more bang for your buck with manga volumes too, comic paperbacks give you like a third of the content for twice the price.
Which shows how much better manga is that despite people being able to easily pirate it they still go out and buy the volumes to support it.
>easier to access online,
I can get literally any comic I want right now, either in a gallery reader format or just read it on readcomicsonline.
Now this is just straight up bullshit, manga does not have a readcomiconline equivalent.
kissmanga and a million similar sites
listen, if you needed me to tell you about mangadex then you could have just asked
Literally all you have to do is search "Manga name read" and click one of the first links, it's so fricking easy to read manga for free
are you fricking moronic
type "manga series chapter 1" into any fricking search engine and you get 50 different sites hosting it for free
What's the update schedule for comics like? For manga it's monthly on average. No, Shounen Jump isn't average.
Why do you think these threads get so many replies? Manga is obviously cheap slop (monochrome breasts and powerlevels) but hey, that's what people want. It's upsetting but it's just how it is.
And then you have morons that even defend manga's lack of details and color saying it's actually better. There's nothing you can discuss with someone like that. They're like BG3 fans.
>And then you have morons that even defend manga's lack of details
What lack of details? It's rare to see a comic out do a manga in that regard.
Brutal, source before thread dies?
Pumpkin Night
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Settle down Black
Pumpkin Night
The lack of depth on the eyes on the characters on the left.
The lack of color
The lack of reflections
The lack of all those things that you normally use your brain to analyse an image and "feel" it.
Mangas are simplified symbols for "symbol-minded" morons
So basically it's more detailed than a comic
Western culture today is literally just Black person and troony worship, at least Japanese media has good depictions of white people and clear vgender distinctions, that's literally all I fricking ask for.
>japanese comics
>subject matter is literally anything
>american comics
>superheroes superheroes superheroes
>japanese comics
>subject matter is literally anything pedophilia related
>american comics
>a variety of deep stories with complex moral dilemmas told from the lens of superheroic fantasy
ftfy
Kek. Good one, anon.
YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO AGREE .
YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO GET INTROSPECTIVE ABOUT YOUR LIFE CHOICES AND STRIVE TO DO BETTER.
You don't need to sell manga harder, man.
He was already on your side.
kodomo no jikan is legitimately deeper than any bullshit the americans have written in the past 2 decades
>someone was going to release this in english, going so far as to have the first collection translated and ready to go
>then they learned how things developed later in the story
Still makes me chuckle.
Does the downfall of westoid comics boil down to femoid/homosexual/troony/shitskin pandering?
>Does the downfall of westoid comics boil down to femoid/homosexual/troony/shitskin pandering?
Yeah, they even had their own Gamergate moment a few years back.
not just that
thats probably 1/3 of it
1/3 is that they are just really uninteresting stories about the same shit over and over again
No,mostly with the fact that DC/Marvel refuse to promote new series and just re teld the same sorry over and over again.
Everyones giving moronic examples about the content inside but thats not the main factor.
Main factor is comics are a clusterfrick
>Some normalgay wants to read Bleach, grabs Bleach volume 1 and is good
Compare that to
>Some normalgay wants to read spiderman
>Theres 6 different spidermen series, currently ongoing featuring multiple different actual spidermen
>Or do they start from the 500 other spiderman series which have been completed
Then you start actually reading one
>HEY SPIDERMAN ITS YOUR OLD PAL NAMOR, WE HAVENT SEEN EACH OTHER SINCE THE INVASION OF THE GRIBLGAMS (go read the ultra invasion secret vol 235)
And against all odds say they pierce through all of those barriers and are enjoying a series
>Author randomly quits and a new one takes over and 180s the series into the ground
Its no fricking wonder why normalgays dont want to touch comics.
Thats not even factoring the price, comics tend to be twice as expensive minimum, hell most are like 30 bucks for a volume compared to mangas 5-10.
Or the actual content
>WORDS WORDS WORDS
first reason is manga has some variety to it's genres. yes supernatural action is usually the most popular but there's sports, drama, gambling, comedies, romance, hobby manga, etc
second reason is western comics are just flat out disgusting to look at by comparison
Oh sure but if I said comics is mostly superhero shit some Gankergay would have a melty and scream about this obscure graphic novel that no store stocks thats actually about murdering your family or something exists and Im wrong.
Reading the promised neverland recently, shit is great and something new.
Comic books are just super hero shit and a new idea/story is just some israelite/diversity hire making them black.
No one actually read this stuff, right?
I don't know, they have to turn some kind of profit because they keep going deeper with this shit.
>sneakers hanging on clothesline
Even better, that's a power line.
Yes, absolutely. Same with streaming viewership and whatnot.
>400 replies for this Ganker thread
Incredible job jannoids, as always.
>complain about janitors while backseat jannying
deranged
Uh actually it's a Ganker and Ganker with light dashes of /misc/ thread
Ganker is where old Gankerhomosexuals go to complain about how things used to be better.
TO ALL homosexualS ITT
read Immortal Hulk
I did and it sucked just as much as any other capeshit. The writing is abysmal.
>Unironically saying this shit after the summer of love
Qrd?
2020 St. Floyd "mostly peaceful" "protests".
I thought those riots were from covid restrictions
Nah Americans are to cucked to do that
They probably were
People just didn't want to say it and uses flod as an excuse
You don't remember when after Floyd died blacks across America chimped out and started looting and burning shit?
whats wrong with your faaaaaaaace
Is the hulk a turtle?
Nah he just got done fighting a guy that could absorb the gamma radiation in his body so he's like 60% Banner right now, but because Banner is so fricked in the head Hulk's personality stays.
>mfw white college-educated men dismiss Black Anger
>you were shot into space instead of being shot
>who cares that you've been shot with weapons designed to kill you before you were shot into space to be separated from your family and friends without a way home
>you weren't shot like a BLACK person
Immortal Hulk could have been good but shit like this is just interspersed through it.
This is one of the rare examples of a character whose beliefs are just theirs and not the author putting them on a soapbox for the audience and you still manage to find a way to be a moron about it.
The fact that she's "oppressed" isn't even close to being the point of the scene, maybe you should try learning how to read before claiming something has abysmal writing.
Even without politics it has moronic shit like Banner's father wanting to prove that his son is a monster by showing people how incredibly intelligent Bruce is. Because, apparently, if you're intelligent past a certain point, people will just assume that you're a radioactivity powered abomination. The writing is just bad.
To be fair they live in a fricking wacky world like that. Spiderman was bitten by a radioactive spider.
Yes, but there's this thing called "suspension of disbelief" and other characters in the comic act like they do in the real world ,so writing like that just strikes me as moronic. It's like if people hunted down Wolverine because he's too hairy for a normal human, it's just stupid.
west BTFO
Cute boy.
Would like to point out to people saying manga is easy to get into, you can say that primarily because you get it filtered for you.
Most popular franchises end up having several ongoing things running adjacent to each other and it's not just phone games. Vid related has a main manga (105+ volumes), a side manga whose content is typically indistinguishable from the main work (45+ volumes), several spin-offs (ongoing or 6-15 volumes), and an annual film series.
Cmon Bro,that 1 FRICKING MANGA SERIES OF 999999 THAT ARE AROUND,compare this shit to Batman,Superman,Spiderman that had have 2000+ reboots each one
>Cmon Bro,that 1 FRICKING MANGA SERIES OF 999999 THAT ARE AROUND
Well...
Dragon Ball for several years had the following. Dragon Ball Super (anime), Dragon Ball Super (manga), and Super Dragon Ball Heroes (manga AND game). All of these ran concurrently and were, for the most part, completely different products.
Come September though, it'll be Super Dragon Ball Heroes (manga), Super Dragon Ball Heroes (anime), Super Dragon Ball Heroes (game), Dragon Ball Super (manga), Dragon Ball Daima (anime), not counting various other spin off materials.
Currently, the manga series Kaiji spans around 75 volumes. It also has four spin-offs, two of which are currently running (and one of them ended on a note implying it will have significance to the main series).
Also, here's a bunch of manga and anime that continually reboot themselves:
>Mobile Suit Gundam
>every Go Nagai work (Devilman, Mazinger, Cutey Honey, etc.)
>the more prominent Leiji Matsumoto works (still waiting on Zero Century)
>Getter Robo
>any kids anime (Digimon, Pokemon, etc.)
This shit happens all the time. Again, you people get it filtered for you.
Suit Gundam
Pretty much every series is it's own thing, so you can watch them separately. Sadly, the UC has been raped beyond repair. Just watch the original Tomino UC anime and ignore everything UC produced after Victory.
Go Nagai work (Devilman, Mazinger, Cutey Honey, etc.)
Robo
These are more complicated, but stuff is mostly separate (?) most of the time. No one's getting into Go Nagai or Getter Robo stuff in current year, anyways.
>Nobody's getting into Getter Robo in current year
speak for yourself
Frick you, the Hathaway movie was great, which was weird because I thought it would suck dick.
>These are more complicated, but stuff is mostly separate (?) most of the time.
Tell me the watch order of every Devilman anime. Please note
>the TV show exists in Crybaby
>OVA2 doesn't have an ending
>OVA3 is an adaptation of a separate Devilman work not part of the main manga
And please tell me the required reading material necessary to understand everything occurring the time travel section of New Getter Robo.
>Devilman
Crybaby is the only complete adaptation of the original manga. I actually don't know why the OVAs were never finished.
You can google what the release order of the Devilman manga series is and read that.
>understand everything occurring the time travel section of New Getter Robo
It's just a bunch of references and shit. Like I said, it's not meant for new fans, especially in 2024.
Funny how that applies to shit like Superman, Batman, Spiderman, X-men etc.
Fate is probably the worst offender of this
Fate stay night
Fate unlimited blade works movie
Fate unlimited blade works series
Fate carnival phantasm
Fate zero
Fate protoype
Fate Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya
Fate grand order
Fate Apocrypha
Fate Heaven's feel
Fate EXTRA last encore
Lord El-Melloi II Case Files -Rail Zeppelin Grace Note-A Grave Keeper, a Cat, and a Mage
Fate Grand Order: Divine Realm of the Round Table - Camelot Wandering; Agateram
(the Grand Order anime is told out of order by the way, you'd only know this if you played the gacha game first)
Fate strange fake whispers of dawn
There's a thousand spinoffs that I didn't list too, and you can either play the VNs first or watch the anime first
>Fate Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya
This is the only fate thing I got into
And only the first two seasons of the anime
That's all you need, baby
Just play the gachaslop and fap to Prisma Illya like we all do.
Yeah Fate is shit, but who the frick recommends people get into Fate in this day and age?
the geriatric old fricks on Ganker who still recommend you start with Fate Zero, the most boring show in the entire collection
Which one of these had jack the ripper as a lewdly dressed e-girl?
Apocrypha, but she also appears in Grand Order sometimes
>jack the ripper as a lewdly dressed e-girl
For realsies? Why? Like why would a little girl go around gutting prostitues? Like just the motivation itself
'cause it's hot
shes against indecency
Weird how the average video game thread archives with less than 100 posts but garbage like this gets 500 replies...
>garbage like this
But this has been a good thread
MORE STELLAR BLADE THREADS BRO MORE PAL WORLD HAHA LE SN*YERINOS HAHA LE NINTENDR*NES HAHAHA LE PC CHUDS XDD
On topic offtopic is the best topic.
Ganker would rather talk about literally anything other than video games. This is a scientifically proven fact.
This. Why can't we talk about moron politics instead?
Japanese comics are just soft porn.
So ofc it sell more, stop this pathetic weeb circlejerk.
Euro comics sell even less than american ones and guess why? Because not only are just as unerotic but they also have less violence so it requires a lot more effort to enjoy.
Anon, French comics are in a far healthier place than American comics.
>Japanese comics are just soft porn.
Nothing wrong with a bit of sex appeal
Point me to the porn, please.
to me that's porn idk about you
My balls
Anon, you know they're just going to find any girl with minor curves and say they have pornstar proportions.
Show me the first 10 pages from that manga.
Show the lack of sexy chicks.
Then show me the sales numbers and tell me that THIS manga is what is selling, not the soft porn shounen crap.
Come on, do it.
You said that all jap comics are porn. Why do you care what sells?
If I don't change my argument tactics then my overbroad statements will be exposed as sweeping generalizations! I'd be ruined!
BECAUSE THAT'S THE POINT OF THE THREAD YOU FRICKING COWARD
>ALL the japs do is porn
>post cool robot
???
COOL ROBOTS FRICK YEAH!
The OP stated that japanese comics sell more than american ones.
I said that only the soft porn ones do and therefore it's stupid to care.
You somehow don't understand this.
Did I reply to the OP???
>only the soft porn ones do
moronic and wrong, JJK is all strong men and that sells like hot cakes (because women like to imagine them having gay sex)
Wouldn't erotic men fall under the soft porn category as well? I'd post the Golden Kamuy onsen spread if I had it handy here.
What's wrong with having sexy chicks in your manga? Also sexy chicks don't even sell anymore, it's all about pandering to fujos and women in general.
The only other point of discussion is that comics (AND manga) are not that great of an industry.
Most comics just get made directly as hollywood block busters (which earn more than the entire manga industry) or video games (which earn more than the entire manga industry). This is because the publishers who own the rights don't want to put money into an inefficient medium.
Manga publishers still make cheap b&w comics before anime because they have no qualms adding porn and violence to make it sell and because their moronic audience which doesn't care at all that 95% of what they are reading is either some "cool pose" with mindless cliche platitudes or some "dynamic pose" of some attack that was actually a lot stronger than had been described by some sidecharacter 2 panels before.
Stuff like Berserk or Blame are the very rare exception imo. Especially with how commercial manga publishers are. Whenever something sells, you get like 20 different copy cats instantly with the same story structure, the same tropes, the same cliches, the same faces, the same everything almost. Because ultimately their target demographic are those who are too young to have noticed the repetition.
Is there a western comic equivalent of cute girls doing cute things with no relationship drama and subtle yuri coding? Pl0x respond b4 404
As if the blue haired cat ladies would let that happen.
There are those one of Harley queen and Poisson Eve,you could try those.
>Fetish pandering comic for heterosexual men.
>Harley Quinn
Why do they keep trying to turn Harley into an Anti-Hero and make her and Ivy a thing?
Because yass queen slay! Also because Bruce Tim is an interracial-porn-loving cuck fetishist.
>black trans woman
Just down right peculiar.....
When I was a kid I wanted to be a superhero artist at Marvel
It's because comic books are inherently a nerd incel hobby, and if you're going to dive into a nerd incel hobby you might as well invest in the top of the line nerd incel genre.
Given the choice between an authetic German Brautwurst and some Nathaniel's Frank goyslop, a normal person will chose the genuine thing.
Given the choice between normie western comics and weeb pedo comics, the nerd incel will chose the genuine thing
the simple fact is manga/anime absolutely thrives on the internet
So what, catanon? Are you happy with all these (you)s? Was it worth it?
This was a very enjoyable thread. Thank you for the discussion anons
have a nice day homosexual
>Pic
I still can't believe Omori is getting a Seinen Manga adaptation by an artist who draws shota doujin under a pseudonym
Fricking hilarious
I don't see the point of the manga aside from making more money. The game is a complete story as it is.
it's for "experienced players" and people new to the story, so i assume they'll just build on the characters and the self introspective parts, which were admittedly pretty flat
also probably lots of Basil Sexo
Yeah probably, but I just don't really see how it can be good in a way that it adds to the game. I will read it anyway, as will many fans of the game, but I really fail to see the point, aside from generating more dojin interest for fujos
Before this thread dies I want to quickly shill the original Alien vs Predator comic. It's very good and if you like either of the two monsters, you'll most likely like this comic too.
Both manga and comics are equally niche, the difference is that manga gets 1:1 adaptations which double as advertisement because people will pick up the book between seasons.
Comics have only recently started doing this with stuff like Invincible, you need to hook people in with a medium that's friendlier to normies and then leave the storyline unfinished so they'll want to continue with the product you actually want to sell.
The only comic that I'll ever read is Donald Duck.
Good western comics don't get marketed or distributed for whatever reason. The best is JTHM and I only found out about that one because its the same guy that made Invader Zim.
>2004
anime is for weirdos on the internet
>2024
anime is for weirdos on the internet, but now theres 5 billion of them and they have money
Even if there are some japanese multimedia franchises that have become rather convoluted these days, you still have tons of manga/anime that are properly finished, contained works. Meanwhile, american comic is mostly just 2 bloated, incomprehensible giants that have been going on since forever
One piece is dead to me
That's all I got to say about that
They ever make them more accessible to read? I signed up for the DC+ thing a few years ago and they actually had incomplete series on there. As in a 7 part arc would only have 4 comics available.
>Having attractive women in your entertainment is..... LE BAD!!1!!!!!
Let me guess, troony?
As a kid I only ever read groo and elfquest. Later the only newer things I liked were Transmetropolitan and Leaving Megalopolis, just thought you should know.