Obviously not. No single player FF game will topple XIV.
Even excluding XIV though, XVI's soundtrack felt very hamstrung by the desire to have everything fit "classical" fantasy style.
The Typhon and Titan Lost song's stand out so much not because they're good but because it's a change of pace from the relentless sameyness of everything else.
They are correct on an objective level though. Being an mmo, it affords a significantly greater number of music, more music for very specific/incidental sections, and greater variety. Soken on 16 in comparison came off as bland because he had to stick msotly to a very constrained theme/style.
soken has a guinness world record for his work on 14 for the most tracks in a video game
honestly there are only maybe 2-3 songs in xiv i don't like so that's saying somethig
Odin’s theme doesn’t get any respect. The fact the small vocal segment uses a Nordic riddle of Odin is cool af. A lot of the songs don’t really get enough respect. Histoire, stillwind, kingsfall, forevermore, The hideaway, are also incredible songs. I feel like soken was able to create orchestral pieces that still retain a strong melody that sticks with you instead of it falling into the western movie score shit.
16 has some really good individual songs but i really dislike the whole soundtrack
It doesnt seem to have 300 songs at all, it constantly rehashes or reuses themes.
Soken said how it was 300
Probably each song being rehashed 5-6 times, i really dislike this modus operandi of soken.
Even more when i saw the credits and some of my favorite songs werent even made by him
>The truth is that Soken even in XIV get the help of a lot of composers
I hate that SE is propping him up as some fricking sucessor to Uematsu when most of the best tracks from 14 and 16 aren't even by him.
>I hate that SE is propping him up as some fricking sucessor to Uematsu when most of the best tracks from 14 and 16 aren't even by him.
well he did all the big orchestra ones from 16 as far as i'm aware. Though surprised that Hide, Hideaway wasn't even him.
CBU3 is trying to sell him as the Uematsu 2 and removes all the other guys who are helping him for a long time.
The octopath guy at least got lucky so he wont stay in the shadows forever, or yoshitaka suzuki who went to compose remake.
But i really dont get this strategy of shafting your composers to sell just one guy.
what the frick are you saying, they constantly post interviews about the sound team at CBU3 and not just Soken
Soken even corrects people on twitter when they mistakenly assign a song to him
>He hasn't heard BBS OST
The game may be bad, but the soundtrack is fantastic, why she went so hard on the fricking PSP it's something I will always appreciate.
Probably impossible. FFXIV's soundtrack is fricking incredible with everything Soken, Uematsu, the Primals and the other singers they got over the years have collectively put together for the game.
If we were just going from A Realm Reborn though, definitely FFXVI is the better of the two.
How many people think FFXVI has a better OST than FFXV? I don’t mean which is a better game. Just which has the better OST?
To me, FFXV’s blows FFXVI’s out of the water. For FFXVI, only a few tracks really stand out. The Hideaway theme. Phoenix vs Ifrit. And like a couple more. The rest are fine but not that memorable I feel.
I genuinely, unironically remember almost absolutely nothing about FF15 soundtrack except for the generic cowboy theme at settlements
FF16 not only has more memorable themes but it's also used significantly better in the game. We're not gonna pretend we remember the titan theme in FF15 the way we do Titan in FF16
Not to mention the Eikon boss theme just blowing any battle theme of FF15 out of the water.
Shimomura is not suited to compose a mainline FF, and that's why she didn't and was helped by a shit-ton of people.
Her style has stagnated after KH1. Outside of Somnus, there is nothing to remember from her. Even the apocalypsis noctis track just shamelessly rips off skyrim
>Arranged by Ryo Furukawa (OTONOWA) >Except D1-1,4,D2-30,31 Arranged by Yoko Shimomura
Looks like she did the arrangement on a grand total of 4 tracks. Granted, she's the original composer of all the tracks in the OG game.
Shimomura is not suited to compose a mainline FF, and that's why she didn't and was helped by a shit-ton of people.
Her style has stagnated after KH1. Outside of Somnus, there is nothing to remember from her. Even the apocalypsis noctis track just shamelessly rips off skyrim
skyrim music is boring af, who would use that for inspiration?
anything is better than 14
16 is still shit
any good track in 16 is by suzuki
frick soken
you're deaf as frick we know ff14gay
literally any theme in xv murders trash 16 garbage
Shimomura is not suited to compose a mainline FF, and that's why she didn't and was helped by a shit-ton of people.
Her style has stagnated after KH1. Outside of Somnus, there is nothing to remember from her. Even the apocalypsis noctis track just shamelessly rips off skyrim
15 has the best ost since 7
Omnis Lacrima
Somnus
Wanderlust
Veiled in Black
Valse di Fantastica
Apocalypsis Noctis
Up for the Challenge
Noctis
Hellfire
Etc.
based
>he's here
Is Barry really that much of an abo he can't notice how next-gen XVI is? This game can literally only run and be so visually impressive thanks to the PS5, Yoshida said so himself.
That looks worse than xv
fricking random ass mook grunt enemies in xv look better than that main story ff16 character
nothing in 16 looks next gen
it doesn't ever look better than xv
Why are you lying? I don't think it's necessarily better than 7's but come on now
10 months ago
Anonymous
only the last track there is good
10 months ago
Anonymous
ur gay
10 months ago
Anonymous
Dumbas Barry, Soken is a genius and the music you posted is shit in comparison to this masterpiece:
10 months ago
Anonymous
maybe if you're moronic or something.
10 months ago
Anonymous
That gave me ear cancer.
Also why would Barry shill for X when no one from XV worked on it? I know the cult demands every negative post be Barry, but that's not the case.
10 months ago
Anonymous
X scriptwriters worked on XV. Both are shit games.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Both are shit games.
Oh, you're just moronic. Good to know.
Soken composed it + Suzuki and him are both credited as arrangers
10 months ago
Anonymous
"that I participated in as an ARRANGER" you fricking moron. He didn't compose those tracks, Soken did.
https://vgmdb.net/album/129304
its only good because of suzuki
that same melody when not arranged by suzuki sounds like shit in tracks
10 months ago
Anonymous
Did soken compose the track that plays before find the flame in that fight against Clive’s shadow? I really liked that song. I think it was called “press on”
I'm kinda conflicted on this one cuz while I think FFXV actually has a better soundtrack overall, the way it's used and the context of the music is utter dogshit, and it doesn't help that a lot of it was composed with an entirely different story in mind, so it's kinda tainted in my head. Meanwhile FFXVI's soundtrack isn't as good, but with that game I can at least say the music's used extremely well to accentuate certain scenes and make it overall more memorable.
So tl;dr in a vacuum I'd say FFXV has better music, while in game FFXVI's ost blows FFXV's out of the water.
Ok sure the general themes might've been kept the same but that doesn't change the fact that it's noticably weaker in execution due to the story being a mess.
Like Apocolypsis Noctis is a banger song, it's a shame I can't remember a single good moment in the story where it's used effectively!
Clive's theme (Find the Flame, right?)
The Ifrit vs Garuda
Phoenix's theme
The piano theme when Clive is with Jill
Phoenix Gate theme
Battle Theme
The 3 Titan themes
Hideout's theme, which is Cid's Theme, I love how much it reminds me to Nier's seafront theme
The map theme
Those are my most memorable, I don't know the actual names yet.
FF16's soundtrack is more like a movie soundtrack, where each piece is designed to provide the right ambience for the scene that's playing. As a result, it doesn't really have the bombastic tracks that stand out like FF14's soundtrack does.
Both have boring soundtracks besides 2-3 tracks.
XIV had only Titan, on windy meadows and this "for all of my children" intro. The rest was shit. Especially endwalker.
OST was pretty boring. Even the Titan Lost song felt kind of phoned in compared to some of XIV's vocal tracks. It didn't even have the amazing trailer music that made everyone go "Oh yeah this is 100% Soken, this OST is going to be amazing." Seriously what the frick happened to that song.
Sort of off topic but I didn't want to make a whole new thread. I just picked up 16 today and I like it, but holy shit >offer a performance mode >game runs like sloppy dog shit
They really should have dialled in the settings better. All the flashy graphics in the world aren't worth much when the game is chugging and stuttering along.
On topic, the music is pretty great, but I haven't played 14 so I can't compare.
I'm still early on and most areas have struggled to keep a solid framerate. The woods and the first village you go to after leaving the camp both suffered. I also noticed a lot of ghosting when you pan the camera. I have motion blur off as always but that doesn't make a difference to framerate.
In my experience, you need a little bit of motion blur turned on (even at the lowest setting), otherwise there's some visible microstuttering whenever you rotate the camera.
I traded a bunch of old PS3 and 360 games in that have been sat in a cupboard for years, I actually paid nothing. I didn't buy it at launch because the price is absurd.
In my experience, you need a little bit of motion blur turned on (even at the lowest setting), otherwise there's some visible microstuttering whenever you rotate the camera.
>he's here
Is Barry really that much of an abo he can't notice how next-gen XVI is? This game can literally only run and be so visually impressive thanks to the PS5, Yoshida said so himself.
Nah, his design actually succeeded at its goal. I don't know anyone who Vaan appeals to meanwhile with Clive I've seen tons of homos and women after him.
XIV is an MMO with hundreds of tracks that are from other games mixed with XIV unique tracks that range from great to shit after pumping them out for 10 years. it's not an OST really worth discussing let alone comparing to a single player game.
XVI's is one of the weaker ones in the franchise, i'll tell you that though.
No.
But it has a few extremely good tracks, a few great ones, and a lot of mediocre ones.
That said, it's not like XIV doesn't have some mediocre tracks. It's just that there's such a large volume of music, and a whole lot of them are at least really good, that it isn't as noticeable.
Already lock-on's on my playlist. However, I am annoyed with them putting the 10-20 seconds tracks on the same Disc as the big themes, it annoys me, those should be on their own disc.
Both soundtracks are shit.
I could listen to FFVII-XIII's soundtracks without issue, but XIV and XVI both lack something to hook me and I have to mute it after about 2 minutes
It doesn't beat it, I mean thats a game with like 1000+ songs many of which are amazing. Still though XVI has a fantastic soundtrack and those claiming it's bad, forgettable are very moronic. It can be a bit samey because they made like 3-4 different versions of multiple songs. But dungeon themes and their battle versions are superb. Sanbreque and Rosaria zones have excellent fitting music, the other 2 zones are admittedly weaker. All battle themes have been energizing, some of the best combat music gaming has to offer. Cutscene music is on point and many of it is gorgeous. I'll never forget my lady and my star. It's soundtrack of the year
I can't decide if I would enjoy this game more if I wasn't a XIV player. Everything this game does is "Oh I remember this from XIV", and it's getting to the point where it feels like they're pulling too much from XIV.
>tfw Blood Beats Black
Fricking kino, the level itself might not have been fantastic but holy shit the music gets you pumped as you go through it, sick ass pirate sounding shit.
Also, some other highlights of the soundtrack IMO:
>The Lion and the Hare >A Rose is a Rose >Hide, Hideaway >Lovely, Dark, and Deep >Before the Storm >Control (Garuda Eikon fight) >Whitewater >On the Shoulders of Giants >Where it All Began >Historie (best ambient music in the game IMO) >Reflections - Drake's Head >Catacecaumene >Blood Beats Black >Hamartia >To Sail the Forbidden Seas >Rooftops - The Crystalline Dominion >Facets of Rage >Beyond the Heavens >Ascension (pure fricking kino) >No Risk, No Reward >The Riddle (Odin fight) >Bastion - Stonhyrr >In Darkness, Hope >A Far Cry from Heaven >All as One (Ultima fight)
A composer writes the original music, it can also use digital tools to guide how the music should sound.
An Arranger fine tunes the music to how the song should sound while recording.
composer = hey i made this cool melody
arranger = okay let me take that melody and give it some oomph with different instruments and shit.
Like for this
Utada Hikaru made the melody and then Kaoru Wada arranged it for orchestra.
No due sheer volume
There are too many bangers in XIV. Even if XVI OST was a 10/10 across the board, XIV has more.
The only way is that Keiichi Okabe would have been involved in some manner, along with Soken and Uematsu
Hamauzu is doing 7R with other guys who are also insanely good
Btw some of the best FF16 songs were made by the guy who worked on 7R
Cid's theme and Find the flame.
>Hamauzu is doing 7R with other guys who are also insanely good >Btw some of the best FF16 songs were made by the guy who worked on 7R >Cid's theme and Find the flame.
Yeah that guy should composer for his own FF, he cooked.
Takafumi Imamura also worked in 7R. The more i see the credits, more i think the soundtrack should've had more composers and arrangers
All the songs not made by soken are fresh and would've removed the weight so he wouldnt need to rehash the same theme 5 times. Why the frick only the eikons have themes? i think it's outrageous how kupka doesnt have his own theme.
To be fair, how many songs are we talking about
The only tracks that i feel like are stellar in 16 is
1- jill's theme
2- battle theme
3- find the flame
4-bahamut
5-titan(only the last part)
6-cid's theme
7-forgotten seas
These songs are really fricking good but i ended up shocked at the end of the game by how i couldnt differentiate or really notice all the rest of the soundtrack. Felt too much samey.
This is 8 discs worth of songs. 8 discs.
10 months ago
Anonymous
These are really the only good picks
Stillwind having a nice touch was bait, i cant remember a single dungeon theme after that one.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>These songs are really fricking good but i ended up shocked at the end of the game by how i couldnt differentiate or really notice all the rest of the soundtrack. Felt too much samey.
Frick off Barry, go back to licking XV's boots. The music in 16 and 14 is literally perfect.
10 months ago
Anonymous
FF16 feels like it tried to go a Tactics or 12-like style but because soken likes to use leimotiffs so much, a lot ends up sounding too similar.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Jill's theme/ my star
pretty good > battle theme
sounds like a worse knockoff of FF8's. >Titan's theme
just straight up sounded bad. It's trying to sound all big and epic with the orchestra but the poppy composition style just makes it sound tacky. >Find the flame
similar issue where it's basically just a jpop composition given a big orchestra. The opening kinda sounds like a knockoff of blinded by light. Kinda hype though. >forgotten seas
Solid, which is probably why they used it so much.
Honestly the most memorable track to me was this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWbShlHY6xA
But then later in the game they try to adapt it into orchestra as Ultima's theme and it just really don't work.
10 months ago
Anonymous
i don't know you picked the worst song in the game, but you did it the ultima version is just so much better
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Titan's theme >just straight up sounded bad
Filtered.
10 months ago
Jillfag
I know right? Barry must be deaf or something
Soken mops the floor so hard with Shimomura it's almost not funny.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>MMOtrannies think this is even good let alone better than Shimomura's stuff
lmao. I don't even like FFXV and I think it's not even Shimomura's best work but Shimomura is a far better composer than Soken.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Shimomura is a far better composer than Soken.
She was, 25 years ago. There hasn't been a single good soundtrack from her after Kingdom Hearts 1.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I liked the KH3D ost
The other KH games just sounds samey to me except KH1
10 months ago
Anonymous
KH2 you moron. Also the new tracks she did for KH3 were dope too.
10 months ago
Anonymous
10 months ago
Anonymous
okay moron. Kh2's ost is just as good as the first game's
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Titan's theme >just straight up sounded bad
Filtered.
it's actually hilarious, most titan ost yt vids have the same morons saying that the titan music is garbage, but on his channel you can find a garbage dubstep track among his uploads
you gotta understand, for some, hating games is their only personality
10 months ago
Anonymous
Putting a Sonic Adventure theme in the middle of a medieval Final Fantasy was such a bizarre idea, but somehow it works really well.
10 months ago
Anonymous
The impression i got from 16 is how they tried to do the AAA western take in soundtrack with FF.
They kept some individual songs that are able to go wild but most of the soundtrack feels too much toned down or samey. It remembers me of modern GoW.
There isnt anything like this
I didn't include a lot of songs I like, just wanted to introduce these no taste having cultists to some good music.
One they should recognize.
And it's not a issue of "going dark and realistic" because 12 and tactics also were but never needed to do this.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I really miss big character themes, or locations. Always a core aspect of FF. There is only Jill's theme and that's it, Cid's is reused for the hideaway.
As you said, having bossfights and listening to the generic battle theme kick off is also jarring.
10 months ago
Anonymous
What i miss is games ditching village themes and stuff that had very strong memorable melodies to more background style music, which kinda fits but is also fricking boring.
just a simple small village with a song like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iejFpMuLxqk just stays so much more memorable with music like this.
That said i didn't actually get tired of the boss theme even after 80+ hours, somehow, even on a replay i still enjoyed it
10 months ago
Anonymous
homie what are you talking about? All the important towns got their own themes in XVI. Swear to god you guys are just looking at the track list and not actually playing the game
10 months ago
Anonymous
Can you give me any that you think it's good? i didnt find one but i'm curious about the ones you like
I can only think about the hideaway as example.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Northreach has a good theme before and after the purple sky incident, too bad the quests are shit. Imho Sanbreque has the best set of music in the game.
10 months ago
Anonymous
> Imho Sanbreque has the best set of music in the game.
The theme starts out okay i guess but that flute part sounds godawful.
10 months ago
Anonymous
reread my post fricker, i know they have their own theme, they're just not as strong and powerful with a strong focus on a memorable melody and more like a modern games's style of background music.
I still like them mind you
10 months ago
Anonymous
>homie what are you talking about? All the important towns got their own themes in XVI. >Swear to god you guys are just looking at the track list and not actually playing the game
They unironically didn't play the game, this is why they are convinced FF16 reuses the prelude too much thinking it's used while walking around or some shit. Probably another crusade from FF7Rgays
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah lets pretend everyone criticizing the game is part from another faction.
10 months ago
Anonymous
rent free
>i-it's not true
way to out yourselves
10 months ago
Anonymous
Nta but your logic is peak mental illness in this place anon
You just want to create your own personal war when there is arrangers from 7R who did songs for 16. Grow up, kid.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Suzuki was a FF14 arranger a decade before FF7R existed
10 months ago
Anonymous
Suzuki was working with CBU1 and Hamauzu since FFXIII-2
10 months ago
Anonymous
When he realizes that Ultima's theme was done by the same guy who worked in 7R. And titan's, and find the flame
10 months ago
Jillfag
Why are nomuragays such liars?
10 months ago
Anonymous
Now you're embarassing yourself. gay.
https://twitter.com/yos_compose/status/1682052064044810244
You should learn more about what goes on in these games if you want to create wars about your favorite japanese man.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>that I participated
Guess his role on XVI, gayso
10 months ago
Anonymous
The Nomuragays are beyond delusional at this point, I actually didn't expect they'd out themselves so hard.
How miserable do they have to be to shit a FF16 music thread?
10 months ago
Anonymous
>https://twitter.com/yos_compose/status/1682052064044810244
Arranger =/= composer. This has already been explained to you previously in this very thread.
Soken composed the tracks and he and Soken arranged them together. Trying to act like the tracks are somehow more his than Soken's is just moronic. Stop giving us FFXVI haters a bad name by making shit up.
10 months ago
Anonymous
No it wasn't you fricking moron. I dislike XVI but holy shit just stop lying.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>was done
it's like saying platinium games made xvi
how do you breathe?
10 months ago
Anonymous
>When he realizes that Ultima's theme was done by the same guy who worked in 7R. And titan's, and find the flame
Yoshitaka Suzuki worked on FF14 since A Realm Reborn, he has a bigger history with Soken as he arranges the big orchestral pieces of the FF14 for a full decade.
Man it was not a lie, 7Rgays are truly raiding this thread and thinking they "own" arrangers
10 months ago
Anonymous
So you think his first work at SE was ARR, do you even know when 13-3 released, anon?
Hint, 2 years before ARR.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Suzuki's first songs were only in HW if im remembering right, not even ARR.
10 months ago
Anonymous
The average Ganker anon is kinda moronic, he probably spends all day fighting about random people and has no idea about what they even worked on.
10 months ago
Anonymous
this might actually be a mental illness at this point, Yoshitaka Suzuki literally has more songs associated with CBU3 than he does CBU1.
Suzuki arranges Soken's compositions into big symphonic pieces because this is his strength
You are beyond insane to think Suzuki is more associated with FF7R. Suzuki literally worked on the final boss themes of FF14
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yoshida haters on suicide watch.
10 months ago
Anonymous
the cat is already out of the bag
you can play dumb, doesn't mean people will believe you
10 months ago
Anonymous
rent free
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yep
One of the biggest aspects of FF when you get to a new location isnt just the place's visuals, but how it will sound.
10 months ago
Anonymous
If we are being honest, only in a game like 7R you'll notice a lot of different songs because they uses "phases" instead of rehashing the prelude and making 15 different 1 min songs.
10 months ago
Anonymous
7R brought in tons of guest composers, like the Ace Combat guy.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I think these are good choices, i would just add sanbreque's theme(not used a lot) and some other smaller themes. But definitely not a game that appears to have 8 discs of songs.
While i played i realized how there is some moments where i heard no song, weird as frick.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I realized how there was something strange when i fought kupka and there was no unique boss theme. I accepted with Benedikta because the theme was new and fresh at the time.
But when i started having generic battle theme / boss theme for major fights was fricking weird.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Soken is a smart type of lazy guy. Because he will make one good song and put it in everything.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>I realized how there was something strange when i fought kupka and there was no unique boss theme. I accepted with Benedikta because the theme was new and fresh at the time. >But when i started having generic battle theme / boss theme for major fights was fricking weird.
With every fight i got a mixed feeling.
"damn find the flame is good. But, again?"
I'm not sure I'll ever understand Close in the Distance, sounds like a bad 80s ballad to me. The orchestra version is good though, even with the lyrics trying their best to frick it up. I'm definitely the outlier here, I get that.
The soundtrack is amazing but the amazing gameplay and setting and soundtrack and acting even is almost ruined by the amount of cutscenes, every goddamn step you take cutscenes, every NPC you say anything to >pan zoom >close up >”YEW KNOW WOT OI THINK GUVNAH?”
They even just yap up when you run past them everyone in this world has got something it’s moronic
the gameplay is actually really a serious action game, they should really have added a harder difficulty
The final boss theme is better than Dancing Mad. I don’t know why Soken split the song into phases but this phase is my favorite https://youtu.be/y40-f4DpB0E
Soken talked about how a lot of the songs have segments that are designed to sound natural when they get repeated, which allows them to do some dynamic music that conveys the same musical highs and lows regardless of if the player is a shitter who takes 10 minutes to get to the next phase or someone competent who takes 5 minutes. It's the exact opposite of 14, where the track is designed alongside the encounter team to have certain parts of the song line up with the fight if you're doing it at min iLevel.
That's probably why it's split up like that.
I dont think people should idolize composers so much...I saw tons of people arguing about xiv's soundtrack and the one they chose wasnt even composed by soken, same also with some people saying uematsu is amazing but then the ffx song they're arguing about is composed by hamauzu
I often watch this one youtuber and when something is from xiv he will always compare it to uematsu, even when the song is not composed by soken or uematsu
I dont know why FF has this level of tribalism for its composers, I dont think other game fanbases have it
this happens to literally every single aspect of video games, even kamiya in his bayonetta lets play is always talking about how people attribute all the shit to him even though everything is just a huge team project
Because the director always gets overall credit, and nobody ever does the research to see who actually worked on a certain part of the whole. Although to be fair, it gets really complicated with music, where in the case of things like remixes, the original composer always gets the composer credit, even if the remix sounds wildly different from the original.
>I often watch this one youtuber and when something is from xiv he will always compare it to uematsu, even when the song is not composed by soken or uematsu >I dont know why FF has this level of tribalism for its composers, I dont think other game fanbases have it
Which songs are you talking about, because until 10, it's easy to not frick up Uematsu's credits.
And it's easy how to see how uematsu likes to compose his soundtracks, he gives them really noticeable themes and styles that get tied to characters and locations. And without things like leimotiffs being reused.
It was the song with piano for a dungeon? I dont remember the name but soken played it live and kicked a box on stage to make some a specific sound from the song. The guy immediately asked if this was from uematsu
Also that four fiends hyadain song in xiv, he praised endlessly because its uematsu, and then when the xiv version sounds great he said it was because soken did great if it was remixing from an uematsu song
That annoyed me to no end
FF is one of the best in the business, so music is one of the things people always look forward to.
There's nothing wrong with liking Soken, but he doesn't even come close to the other mainline composers. Soken is given much more freedom, even on the technological side, yet he creates as many themes as Mizuta did on the PS2 and then rearranges them 50 times.
This bummed me out a lot with Soken, i get it when he does this with 14. He doesnt have time there
But he is acting like he's composing for a snes game and doesnt have resources
And this wouldnt also work as excuse because Uematsu never did that.
>This bummed me out a lot with Soken, i get it when he does this with 14. He doesnt have time there >But he is acting like he's composing for a snes game and doesnt have resources >And this wouldnt also work as excuse because Uematsu never did that.
Uematsu did themes for specific characters and locations but he was never like that.
Uematsu was a 10/10 composer and the franchise identity is almost intrinsically tied to his shit. Since Uematsu went away the franchise has been struggling a bit to find its musical identity again as none of the composers they hire seem to able to really replicate Uematsu's style at all.
I do think the franchise is absolutely capable of keeping the quality, but it doesnt need to rely in one person. Bringing new blood and different composition styles enriches FF.
The reason why Uematsu invited Hamauzu for X was because Hamauzu had his own identity.
This is why X's soundtrack is unique and has things like this
I just feel like 16 should've invited more composers to keep the idea instead of picking the prelude and doing 15 different themes to be self-referential with the franchise.
doesn't help that there's a trailer called the same thing
Took the words out of my mouth. If you have a version you found on Youtube or catbox or something that would be great.
moreover using another game's main theme is usually never done in a single-player FF. They might use series main theme or the prelude but not another game's main theme. I can understand FFXIV doing that a bit due it being largely based around referencing older games but not a mainline SP game.
That's another thing that pisses me off with XIV in general. They'll just take something from XI, XII, XIII or others 1:1, including music.
10 months ago
Anonymous
it's a rich franchise, and they aren't pulling things from outside, and even if they do, makes sense
it's like getting mad for listening to Gangplank Galleon on Smash
10 months ago
Anonymous
I've never played a Nintendo game in my life besides the original Super Mario Bros, so I have no idea what that song is.
this one.
https://soundcloud.com/user-675036643/final-fantasy-xvi-583958195
Thank you.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Not using this everytime Donkey Kong makes a cameo equals to literally burning cash
10 months ago
Anonymous
Not bad. Can see why people like it.
The issue is that it feels like CBU3 is overly reliant on references than making new original shit. Hell, even the name of the villain in FF16 is a reference. I'm not an MMOgay so I hear posters talking about Venat thinking they're discussing FF12 only to realize they're referring to some white haired chick.
FFXI didn't have this problem.
XI was made by the original devs of Final Fantasy and some pretty talented devs from older entries. XIV feels like it's fully MMO devs, even though that's not the case.
10 months ago
Anonymous
The issue is that it feels like CBU3 is overly reliant on references than making new original shit. Hell, even the name of the villain in FF16 is a reference. I'm not an MMOgay so I hear posters talking about Venat thinking they're discussing FF12 only to realize they're referring to some white haired chick.
FFXI didn't have this problem.
10 months ago
Anonymous
XIV has a lot of good original music on each expansion. See
Top 10 XIV themes? No particular order
1.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_swJPS53RRA
2.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocWKKD3Lswo
3.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj_pWv3ISAw
4.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG8op2o8omQ
5.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWgpJ0k820w
6.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyJ4ksWBUH4
7.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfkodQjdX5o
8.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms1_fL1eJ-o
9.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJxWTGmqnLY
10.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l69nQsEHxI
, unless I'm horribly mistaken, none of those take inspiration from older titles.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm not an MMOgay >FFXI didn't have this problem.
Make up your fricking mind
10 months ago
Anonymous
It's called learning through osmosis. I played XI a little bit when it first came out. But I don't need to have played through the entire thing to know it doesn't have Exdeath or Golbez and the 4 fiends as bosses or have fricking Ramza show up.
10 months ago
Anonymous
At this poing i believe the only thing keeping a alien called MENOVA from appearing in 14 is the 7R project ongoing, so having the same villain would be rough.
10 months ago
Anonymous
You don't like Anima in XIV, or Alzadaal's Ruins, or Absolute Virtue?
10 months ago
Anonymous
You're wrong because at this point they would just call it Jenova, as they did with Golbez.
10 months ago
Anonymous
the games has been using the summons names since ff3
of course with multiple expansions and characters, the game will reuse old names for fanservice purposes.
If you wanna judge "plagiarism" inside the same franchise (lol), you should take on account ARR only.
10 months ago
Anonymous
There's a different between shit like the summons and monsters and entire main characters. FFXI and FFXIV seem to have had drastically different approaches. Whereas FFXI tried to do more to craft it's own world FFXIV feels like an FF "greatest hits" with references out the wazoo.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Not a "feels like", it's exactly what 14 is, even the devs would probably agree with you.
10 months ago
Anonymous
So delegate that shit to some spinoff game like SoP and WoFF. Mainlines crossing over is moronic.
1.0 for all its faults never tried that shit as far as I know.
10 months ago
Anonymous
To be fair it's why the game works makes money
At some point they will put some shit like not cosmo canyon there with a not-nanaki plot that will reuse the same core themes and people will cry their eyes out.
FF11 is insane because it created a true original legacy and a lot of people who experienced it tell how it was incredible.
But putting Gold Saucer from FF7 in your mmo is just easier and more iconic for them
10 months ago
Anonymous
ff14 is more soulful and incredible than xi though
10 months ago
Anonymous
Sure, anon.
10 months ago
Anonymous
And it still has crystals, chocobos, moogles, tonberries, etc.
Not even gonna respond to the bait.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I agree they shouldnt put any summons in the next game and make them ships instead
Or maybe the summons can convert into vehicles, and theres no towns and npcs?
Or maybe your airship just needs to be a fricking car on the road instead, and you cast magic like throwing grenades?
10 months ago
Anonymous
Or drop the classic jobs and make Chemist and other bullshit
10 months ago
Anonymous
Like, it's impressive how you took that reply in this direction
When it's just an objective analysis about how XIV works. Ripping the concept of gold saucer and putting it in your game is easier than creating a new legacy from 0, it's just an objective thing.
10 months ago
Anonymous
You simply dismissed something because it is a reference to the other thing, while ignoring the original things that xiv did.
You value originality so much, thats why I presented you the choices the devs took that we got in the games.
10 months ago
Anonymous
He's talking about CBU3's desperate need to affirm their products as "Final Fantasy", anon. Not even games like XIII or IX needed to be so heavy handed with the "remember this thing from old game!?" screaming.
10 months ago
Anonymous
But i did not, can you greentext the part where i dismissed original aspects of FF14? i just said that putting gold saucer there is easier business-wise for them. And it's not a lie
The fact you took this as dismissing everything original FF14 does just seems like being defensive
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Arguing in the other way is being overly defensive
Also >FF11 is insane because it created a true original legacy and a lot of people who experienced it tell how it was incredible.
But putting Gold Saucer from FF7 in your mmo is just easier and more iconic for them >That's another thing that pisses me off with XIV in general. They'll just take something from XI, XII, XIII or others 1:1, including music.
Whats your defense on these statements?
You clearly dismiss everything in xiv as being references.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>That's another thing that pisses me off with XIV in general. They'll just take something from XI, XII, XIII or others 1:1, including music.
This post wasnt mine, but i understand that anons's feelings.
14 does things well but when i see just not-FF4 in EW's patches i cant do much beyond just laugh. Cmon dude.
10 months ago
Anonymous
At some point we'll just be like KH and seeing abridged versions of disney movies(FF plots) but with some differences like having donald and goofy(ZERO) by our side.
10 months ago
Anonymous
People are overly sensitive here, they think that CBU3 doesnt have a clear intent to appealing to nostalgia or making their job easier when they put places like Costa del sol in 14. Or banking in the history of the franchise.
I feel like yoship himself said how 14 is a themepark. 11 would be more like a traditional mainline entry in this sense because everything is original.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>People are overly sensitive here, they think that CBU3 doesnt have a clear intent to appealing to nostalgia or making their job easier when they put places like Costa del sol in 14. Or banking in the history of the franchise. >I feel like yoship himself said how 14 is a themepark. 11 would be more like a traditional mainline entry in this sense because everything is original.
hmmm yeah XI would be more like a traditional entry if you look through these lens. XIV is legit hte FF online because this is the theme park to see the cool reference.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>objective analysis
yeah, my fricking ass
guess what, bucko. cbu3 is implementing that shit cause they are suggested by the community
imagine getting something asked for years, just to implement it in the worst way, that's how you lose players, that's how wow bleeds players even to this very day
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, business model. Make content based on what's asked more and bank on the IP. I think it's cool
We'll have a villain called MECRON or ZULTIMECIA at this rate.
10 months ago
Anonymous
They don't need to slightly change the names, they can and will use the same name, and the director from that referenced game WILL clap >“Part of why I'd never played [Final Fantasy 14] is because I've always liked MMORPGs,” Sakaguchi says, “and just like I feared, I got addicted to it once I started.”
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yoshida doesn't understand what the identity of the Final Fantasy series is. IE a compelling story about the things that remain constant and eternal amidst change. He believes instead FF has no identity and is just a set of loosely connected references. So there's your answer as to why.
It also doesn't make any money because of that either, but because of WoW degenerates flocking to it.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Yoshida doesn't understand what the identity of the Final Fantasy series is. IE a compelling story about the things that remain constant and eternal amidst change
that's a cool interpretation, except that isn't what makes a FF, according to sakaguchi
10 months ago
Anonymous
>MMOshitter is ignorant about the history of the series.
Pottery.
10 months ago
Anonymous
want me to quote him? i mean, in case you are too stupid to google it
10 months ago
Anonymous
don’t bother, he will go on another tirade about Christianity and Buddhism cause he’s a cuck
10 months ago
Anonymous
Emetfujo is that you?
10 months ago
Anonymous
>even the devs would probably agree with you.
didn't yoshida say that xiv was a love letter to old ffs? No one is saying the contrary here
10 months ago
Anonymous
>There's a different between shit like the summons and monsters and entire main characters.
Yewah, I know. That's why I said >you should take on account ARR only.
You also want people to buy the expansion, right? Fanservice nostalgia is the easiest way to do it, just as a hook
10 months ago
Anonymous
I mostly agree with you but XIV does build its own world with some references.
Heavensward for example has a KotR boss but its not just a reference, its properly built up in the game, but it is a reference. Same as Shadowbringers too, it has the Crystal Tower, Hades boss and FF1 Warrior of Light boss, but all of them are given proper backstory and explanation. I think to dismiss them because "its just a reference" is kind of disingenuous.
For Endwalker 6.0 though, all bosses are unique to XIV which I liked.
10 months ago
Anonymous
You're not wrong. 14, at this stage of its life, is heavily drawing inspiration from classic FF. Like Endwalker had a lot of FF4 stuff in it except one of the best pieces of written music in the entire franchise, Within The Giant.
I think it's nice how soken does that but at some point i just go ???
Like, the game doesnt have enough individual songs to keep doing this. Everything already feels really rehashed, and the other half has almost all of its songs using "parts" of old games. huh
moreover using another game's main theme is usually never done in a single-player FF. They might use series main theme or the prelude but not another game's main theme. I can understand FFXIV doing that a bit due it being largely based around referencing older games but not a mainline SP game.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yes. Bro forgot he doesnt need to "pay homage" old games as much. Seriously, i cant stand the prelude anymore.
10 months ago
Anonymous
My biggest problem is how the prelude keeps being reused with no coherence.
In the last scene with Clive and Jill makes sense because it's a happy and sad moment with the party before the final boss, but the problem is how the game keeps using for different things constantly, like at the start in a random battle scene with people dying. It's just for arbitrary reasons, and this removes all weight of the theme.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Lets be honest soken just likes reusing things because makes his work easier. At this point his love towards leimotiffs, rehashes and references happening even in mainline games tell that much
10 months ago
Anonymous
I like when he tries to do some new things like Elpis' theme. But i was just expecting a different aproach in 16. It's fricking weird how he was more creating in the mmo that he copies everything than in the mainline title.
>Like, the game doesnt have enough individual songs to keep doing this.
might be the dumbest post, FF16 has a shit ton of songs, and it totally rules to arrange FF1 songs just like MOST final fantasies
you gays are now circling around to being mad FF16 is an actual FF game
10 months ago
Anonymous
>XVI is not an FF >XVI is too much of an FF
10 months ago
Anonymous
>XVI is not an FF >XVI is too much of an FF
this is the biggest case of damned if you do, damned if you don't, but it takes a special kind of idiocy to claim that FF16 doesn't have enough songs. I have been listening to the soundtrack for two days and there are a ton of actual melodic throughlines in the OST.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>ton of actual melodic throughlines in the OST
then why are 99% of them shit
10 months ago
Anonymous
Incredible how the best defense you had was to bring a random strawman. What is this even supposed to mean
10 months ago
Anonymous
i think you are a babbling moron to argue against the inclusion of the prelude theme in a Final Fantasy game
this shit makes no sense to me, FF16 is not rehashed because it does what any self-respecting FF has done. The prelude was in FF7's title screen sequence for frick sake
10 months ago
Anonymous
Ok, 4 more prelude versions for you
10 months ago
Anonymous
Good? What the frick does that even mean. The game is playing the prelude in important cutscenes, not while I'm fighting a behemoth. It's absolutely warranted
You're mad that FF16 is a FF that uses its legacy to its advantage. Imagine if I come to a FF7 Remake thread and say "Ok, 4 more battle theme variations for you."
10 months ago
Anonymous
The argument is doubly moronic because FF16 arranges its character themes far more than the prelude or cornelia.
off the top of my head, Clive, Jill and Cid have many more variations. Hugo's theme and Barnabas' theme, not to mention Ultima too.
Most of its battle themes are strung together by the same melody but wildly different in tone and execution
Like, it's not even any different than most previous FF games.
Better than XVs, better than XIVs, better than 7Rs, but worse than XIIs.
also >couldn’t have a sales doomie thread because Square said they were strong today
kek
>who even believes this
Me, homie. Sakimoto and Iwata (and their use of the tracks in-game) shit all over everything past XII. Even forgot to put XIII it was so shit.
XIII had a good ost. I think XII's area themes were great but the boss themes and shit were a bit meh. Not quite Sakimoto's best. The area themes in XII shit on XVI's area themes for sure though.
>the only way to know that is to know how much the exclusivity deal was for and we'll never know that.
I think CBU3 not getting their slimy hands on another mainline game ever is gonna be a good indication. They needed FF16 to be a groundbreaking release on the level of 7 or 10, stupid decisions like PS5 exclusivity (despite the game looking barely better than a PS4 game) or getting next to zero feedback for their shitty writing holed them into yet another mediocre release, which continued the downwards sales trend that started in XIII.
>despite the game looking barely better than a PS4 game
The technical graphics are actually quite good, the issue is the art direction being drab for most of the game and the faces/hair being arguably worse than in previous FF games. >to zero feedback for their shitty writing holed them into yet another mediocre release
That and the fact that Square outside of maybe KH just adamantly refuses to understand that level design is a thing. RPG players like exploring labyrinthine areas and dungeons, not just flat empty fields and corridors. You'd have thought that Elden Ring's success might have tipped them off to this.
this is copium
7r had the same exclusivity deal and sold higher yet SE never said 7R sold well, they just said it did 5m as a statement of fact and the only other comment was that it had the highest digital ratio on ps4 out of ffs and that its sales were slowing down in june
>7r had the same exclusivity deal
we don't know if the payment amount was the same though. If the PS5 has a smaller install base that would likely have been taken into account in the exclusivity deal.
INSTALL BASE DOESN'T FRICKING MEAN ANYTHING HOLY FRICK
switch had 0 install base and sold like 20 million zelda
10 months ago
Anonymous
elaborate your stupid post, please
10 months ago
Anonymous
Since ffxv sold 4m on 47m ps4 day 1 and ff7r sold 3.5m on 110m ps4 in 3 days why would install base matter?
it doesn't matter whatsoever and attach rate is a pointless copium metric that means nothing
ff16 did 3m on 40m PS5 in a week
that is still a worse attach rate than ffxv doing 4m on 47m ps1 in 1 day
10 months ago
Anonymous
Nta but my take about this is how comparing with 7R is tricky because the attachment in a instalbase doesnt grow exponentially as people expect.
Because
1-at some point people get the consoles just to play shit like fifa
2-early adopters consume and buy more games, even more when there isnt a lot of options.
So thinking that ff will sell the double if the instalbase is 2x bigger is a trap.
But the comparison with FFXV makes sense because the instalbase between games was basically the same with XV and XVI.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Since ffxv sold 4m on 47m ps4 day 1 and ff7r sold 3.5m on 110m ps4 in 3 days why would install base matter?
it doesn't matter whatsoever and attach rate is a pointless copium metric that means nothing
ff16 did 3m on 40m PS5 in a week
that is still a worse attach rate than ffxv doing 4m on 47m ps1 in 1 day
where do you get that 4m number?
10 months ago
Anonymous
5m day 1
80% ps4
10 months ago
Anonymous
it does in business negotiations. If they're entering a deal to make their game exclusive to a console that fewer people own they'll probably ask for more money to offset the risk. We have no idea what the amounts of the exclusivity deals were for 7R or 16. Until we do all the sales sperging is irrelevant.
who fricking cares
Forspoken isn't SEs biggest or marquee franchise like FF
SE has a more vested interest to damage control ff16 than a literal who new ip everyone mocked
>but muh literal who new ip
nobody cares
FF16 is SEs main title in their main franchise and so they have more reason to damage control it
SE never said 16 is successful you tard
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Square Enix has insisted sales of Final Fantasy 16 are “extremely strong” >“extremely strong”
wait for the PC release, hopefully with the noose already around your neck
10 months ago
Anonymous
early sales only*
relative to PS5 install base only*
aka wow its nothing you stupid homosexual
stop falling for PR damage control
10 months ago
Anonymous
>IT WILL BE CANCELLED >IT WON'T SELL >IT WON'T SELL MORE THAN 400K COPIES >THE GAME IS SHIT, WILL HAVE 5/10 ACROSS THE BOARD >OKAY, PAID JOURNOS >IT ONLY SOLD 3M, WAIT AND SEE WHAT SE THINKS ABOUT IT >THEY THINK IS DOING GOOD? PR MOVE PR MOVE PR MOVE
you are fricking pathetic, go make another doomthread, you troony
10 months ago
Anonymous
Looks like ff16 gays are on pure damage control copium
nobody said 16 would be cancelled, though the ps4 version did get cancelled
it isnt selling well, worse legs than any ff
it sold less than 400k in japan yes
it does have low reviews and lower Amazon score
3m for a AAA FF is not hood
SE never said it did good, they spouted damage control about early sales RELATIVE TO PS5 INSTALL BASE only and not its overall sales or how it did relative to its budget
and they never said ff16 is a success or that they're happy with its numbers or that it exceeded expectations let alone met them
because they havn't and if they did they wouldve said that instead of the PR cope they gave to IGN after they inquired about FF16s weak sales in japan and lower sales than other FFs worldwide
cope you moronic ff14 cum guzzler
10 months ago
Anonymous
>nobody said 16 would be cancelled, though the ps4 version did get cancelled
where were you when Ganker was flooded with those morons? >it isnt selling well, worse legs than any ff
strong >it sold less than 400k in japan yes
doomers said globally, frick japan >it does have low reviews and lower Amazon score
"some" low reviews, mostly cause "muh no blacks" "muh slavery". >3m for a AAA FF is not hood
strong >SE never said it did good, they spouted damage control about early sales RELATIVE TO PS5 INSTALL BASE only and not its overall sales or how it did relative to its budget
strong >more barking
go get the noose, morono, you'll need it
10 months ago
Anonymous
Nobody ever said it
cope
Literally not as sales charts prove, SE also only said early sales RELATIVE TO PS5 INSTALL BASE ONLY, not overall
nope, people said in japan it would do below 400k and it did
cope
Literally not, again only early sales RELATIVE TO PS5 INSTALL BASE ONLY, not overall sales or in relation to ff16s budget
more cope
have a nice day yoshitpissgay
10 months ago
Anonymous
Holy shit barry, you're worse than usual today. What happened.
10 months ago
Anonymous
XVI gays on pure damage control copium
FF16 bombing and their IGN damage control PR spin really set you off huh?
10 months ago
Anonymous
Probably some official announcements shaked him up.
10 months ago
Anonymous
the announcement that ff16 is in fact selling worse than ff15 even with install base factored?
10 months ago
Anonymous
Barry I hate FF16 too but nobody gives a shit about the sales. Just talk about how bad the game is instead of spamming sales threads.
10 months ago
Anonymous
It does mean CBU3 isn't touching another mainline game anytime soon.
10 months ago
Anonymous
will you have a nice day when they announce XVII
10 months ago
Anonymous
maybe maybe not. Square Enix doesn't operate on logical decision-making.
10 months ago
Anonymous
16 is dogshit and not a real ff
also everyone cares about sales
16 bombed
barry is on suicide watch at the moment please understand
>early sales RELATIVE TO PS5 INSTALL BASE ONLY
wow its nothing
16 bombed
10 months ago
Anonymous
>16 bombed
curious wording
10 months ago
Anonymous
https://www.zleague.gg/theportal/final-fantasy-players-react-to-se-considering-the-sales-of-ff16-as-extremely-strong/
this one?
10 months ago
Anonymous
barry is on suicide watch at the moment please understand
10 months ago
Anonymous
you couldn't have said it better
10 months ago
Anonymous
you couldn't have said it better
will you have a nice day when they announce XVII
Is everyone who defends XVI this derranged? I just wanted to talk about the music...
10 months ago
Anonymous
the music is really good, Soken is best boy
10 months ago
Anonymous
we already did, then the sales moron came in bashing and trashing
happy I could post about music before he shitted the thread
10 months ago
Anonymous
I don't give a frick about XVI I just want to see the shitposters an hero
10 months ago
Jillfag
What's your fav music in ffxvi? I like most of all but my most favorite is 'My Star'. My Star really hits me really hard, i feel sad for days just because the music and the lyrics is so romantic and beautiful. The music even made a man cried, im suprised there other people than me that cried when the ending play with this music. Soken is a legend.
10 months ago
Jillfag
I'm having a stroke off HRT overdose btw, this is why I write like an ESL.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>My Star
is that the piano one? If so, yeah, very pretty
10 months ago
Jillfag
I love Barna's theme too. He's cool character but degenerate as Drakengard's characters so much. I still like him though.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Nightskyprince is fricking your ass all day so this is why you ended up like this huh
"Cope" 3 times with reddit spacing
10 months ago
Anonymous
Black personcuckprince is getting shat on by everyone and he's so pathetic SE didn't even invite him to the ff16 event yet he still damage controls 16
10 months ago
Anonymous
No fricking company only wants one main ip dumbass. If it had sold as well as XVI did they would be championing the game but it didn't so they spoke the truth. Also what the frick do they gain by "saving face"? Saying the game had strong sales, if it didn't, will not get them the strong sales. I swear you fricks get stupider and stupider as life goes on
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Also what the frick do they gain by "saving face"?
Investors and stock value, mainly. It's why they do these meaningless "shipped units" announcements.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Are you fricking moronic? FF IS their main IP, i didn't say its their only one
learn to read homosexual
ff16 has not sold well
they are in damage control and spinning to irrelevant shit like ps5 install to quantiy their damage control
Learn to read, strong EARLY* sales RELATIVE TO PS5 INSTALL BASE*
aka not good sales overall and nothing about how it sold in relation to its budget
>No because a new mmo is at least 10 years away. And a new mainline is probably entering full production right now.
more like still in planning stages. I'm just kind of curious to see what they even do after this now that they've gone full "solo action game." I just hope for the next one they actually have decent level design but I doubt it.
Not even planning
They will only start doing this around 5 years from now on when they start changing resources to build the base for the next mmo. 14 has 10 more years of expansions
And i wouldnt expect much because yoship's style is neutering choice and liberty to create the most controllabe scenario for him and devs to balance the game. You will never have something like 11 again.
We do know that the next 2 7R games are being developed at the same time. They will reuse a ton of assets and world design so it makes sense.
But it depends, there is a lot of things they will release in the next 2-3 years
7R, 7R-3, 9 remake, tactics remaster, now the rumors about x remake. I also bet in spinoffs
I'm sure they will have a ton of options to fill the gap.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>We do know that the next 2 7R games are being developed at the same time. They will reuse a ton of assets and world design so it makes sense. >But it depends, there is a lot of things they will release in the next 2-3 years >7R, 7R-3, 9 remake, tactics remaster, now the rumors about x remake. I also bet in spinoffs >I'm sure they will have a ton of options to fill the gap.
It's funny to think how there is probably a 40th anniversary game for the franchise being developed right now.
A bunch of luminous staff has been moved to CBU2, either for 9R or a new mainline is my guess. Though Yoshi-p suggesting the FF numbered title is a burden may indicate SE aren't making 17 anytime soon.
Not a chance. next mainline will be under a different studio, will be full ATB and all of those things people cried about XVI not having.
If SE were bold, they would've launched both simultaneosly and make them fight for the future of the franchise, like midway did with MK4 and Mythologies
This is FFX pilled as frick
If someone said this was composed by Hamauzu i would believe. Wish more location themes were unique like this. I can only remember the Hideaway and Sanbreque.
I think it's nice but definitely one of those cases where the setting looks too boring and isnt visualy impressive enough for the theme. But the theme is good.
Holy shit now you're pretending that i'm a ffxv shill. The fact you keep posting shipping shit is the statement of mental illlness. Seek help.
10 months ago
Anonymous
welcome to Ganker, where falseflag posts are as common as porn
>XVI is not an FF >XVI is too much of an FF
this is the biggest case of damned if you do, damned if you don't, but it takes a special kind of idiocy to claim that FF16 doesn't have enough songs. I have been listening to the soundtrack for two days and there are a ton of actual melodic throughlines in the OST.
I'm having a stroke off HRT overdose btw, this is why I write like an ESL.
What's your fav music in ffxvi? I like most of all but my most favorite is 'My Star'. My Star really hits me really hard, i feel sad for days just because the music and the lyrics is so romantic and beautiful. The music even made a man cried, im suprised there other people than me that cried when the ending play with this music. Soken is a legend.
I love Barna's theme too. He's cool character but degenerate as Drakengard's characters so much. I still like him though.
>>ff 1
good game, good ff >>ff 2
bad game, bad ff >>ff 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
good game, good ff >>ff 8
bad game, good ff >>ff 9 and ff 10 >good game, good ff >>ff 12 and ff 13 >good game, bad ff >>ff13 >good game, bad ff >>ff15 >bad game, bad ff >>ff16 >good game, bad ff
we are overdue for a good game, good ff. ff17 will be the savior
I've never played FFXIV but the OST in XVI is incredible, as is normal for the series. The sound tracks in these games have always been high tier and really elevate the whole experience
>ruined
yeah, no
he's the best advertisement, he's reverse midas, everything he loves turns into shit, everything he hates turns into gold
if he hates it, that's how you know it's good
Has been a sad existence for years now. Remember everyone would joke about Barry's curse, everything he shilled flopped and still you saw posts with the same constant images defending them and shitting on other games that overshadowed them. Tbh seeing him defend Forspoken and shit Hi-Fi Rush was pretty funny.
Wowgays learning the existence of barry after he tried to shit on xiv in /wowg/ was also fun
Also wowgays were literally bombarded by scat posts at the same time but idk if that was barry or not
my favorite one was >luminous wasn't disbanded!! they were promoted!!
ff16 sold worse than xv so you're just taking out of your aaa xvi-kun
also luminous are literally in cbu2 on a new aaa existing SE IP and still doing luminous engine stuff
Square Enix has said that it has met that it is selling as expected and well for a game on one platform that has had long periods of limited availability. At least 3 million physical copies were counted as sold within the first few days and an unknown amount of digital copies
No they didnt say that at all
they PR spun its weak sales by deflecting to PS5 install base even though its selling worse than xv on same size install base
what was the PR spun about this stinker?
https://www.windowscentral.com/square-enix-posts-33-million-loss-cancels-many-final-fantasy-xv-expansions
10 months ago
Anonymous
that has nothing to do with XV in case you cant fricking read, Luminous Productions didn't make xv
business division 2 made it in 2016 and it was profitable day 1
that 33m thing is to do with new ip and cg production in luminous being cancelled so they couldnt make the 33m they planned to make from the cancelled syuff
the non canon xv dlc had that was cancelled had literally 0 dev work done on them and were still in script phase
also ffxv mobile game made $375m in 2018 alone and pc version of xv made $33m by end of fy 2019 too
10 months ago
Anonymous
Cope Barry, nobody likes XV, and its legacy is forever opaqued by 14 and 16.
10 months ago
Anonymous
No wonder FF16 bombed and is hated by everyone
10 months ago
Jillfag
FF16 is hated by chud homophobes like you Barry. Accept it, you lost, we trans sisters won.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Catch!
Dreamboum on suicide watch
10 months ago
Jillfag
Don't you know? FF16's sales were 95% percent digital. This means the game actually sold more than 10 million units at this point.
10 months ago
Anonymous
FF16 was less than 50% digital but keep coping zeal
10 months ago
Anonymous
Don't you know? FF16's sales were 95% percent digital. This means the game actually sold more than 10 million units at this point.
either samegay or two separate morons
10 months ago
Anonymous
still hilarious that you copied my meme
I'm glad I have such an effect on your mental health barry-san
10 months ago
Anonymous
Hilarious youre coping
acushually XIV has the most awards
>ff15 has combined goty and genre goty of 41
https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/2016/09/2016-game-of-year.html?m=1
https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/2016/09/2016-game-of-year-genre-awards.html?m=1
>ff14 a realm reborn has combined goty and genre goty of 1
https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/2013/09/2013-game-of-year.html?m=1
https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/2013/09/2013-game-of-year-genre-awards.html?m=1
>ff14 heavensward has combined goty and genre goty of 0
https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/2015/09/2015-game-of-year.html?m=1
https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/2015/09/2015-game-of-year-genre-awards.html?m=1
>ff14 stormblood has combined goty and genre goty of 0
https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/2017/09/2017-game-of-year.html?m=1
https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/2017/09/2017-game-of-year-genre-awards.html?m=1
>ff14 shadowbringers has combined goty and genre goty of 2
https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/2019/10/2019-game-of-year.html?m=1
https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/2019/10/2019-game-of-year-genre-awards.html?m=1
damn your troon mmo makes less money than ff15 or the ff15 mobile game
the ff14 shill page you're gonna post isnt awards its shit like "ff14 voted 43rd in joe jubbas top 50 best games of 2015" and shit like that
10 months ago
Anonymous
>gotypicks
too many links, here's mine
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0960140/awards/
10 months ago
Anonymous
>literally less than xv
it really is this psxbnin dude
his writing style is the same as all the barry posts here
extreme mental illness
Barry is too autistic to play a role.
Well it wouldn't be the first time he's been caught flaseflagging as a fan trying to start shit up with games he doesn't like. Picrel
barry/bazztek/psxbnin has many IPs and has been at this for a very long time
have a nice day Dreamboum
10 months ago
Anonymous
You first.
10 months ago
Anonymous
no wonder ff16 bombed
less than xv
that IS XV, you moron
And ff14 HAS LESS you frick and that just adds even more awards to ffxv so cope
10 months ago
Anonymous
>nominee means winner
never leave your house, dimwit
10 months ago
Anonymous
less than xv
that IS XV, you moron
10 months ago
Anonymous
acushually XIV has the most awards
10 months ago
Anonymous
add this one to your collage, homosexual
10 months ago
Anonymous
Oh what? They literally worked on ff16 after that and then are in cbu2 now as a regular team again
10 months ago
Anonymous
explains why 16 is so shit
10 months ago
Anonymous
it is not though. YWNBAW
10 months ago
Anonymous
>They were promoted!!!
How does it feel? Having your heroes working on the game you hate?
Must be really painful, lmao
Who would've said they could make a better product under the right management
10 months ago
Anonymous
cbu3 isnt making ff17
cbu1/cbu2 is
10 months ago
Anonymous
you're probably right but we don't know anything. Regardless of which team gets it, I don't expect it to be any good.
10 months ago
Anonymous
i wouldn't like to be in the shoes of those poor sods who have to be after XVI
they most likely make an old school FF, atb and all that shit purists want
and if it fails, they'll blame XVI for poisoning the playerbase
10 months ago
Anonymous
All i want is a game that isn't ass. If FF wants to be a solo ARPG, cool, give me dragon's dogma combat and Elden Ring dungeons. If not, then frick off.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Why did yoshitpiss kill se
cheer up monkey, he's willing to throw peanuts at you from time to time
never talk about music ever again, you would get slapped in any circle. takes a special kind of delirious moron to argue against the concept of leitmotifs
What is this supposed to mean, he will obviously get the award because FF is just better than anyone else in the industry But the ost is kinda garbage compared to the legacy of the franchise.
>I believed it was something just with 14 because of the time, but seems like that's just what he knows to do.
yes, he uses leitmotifs
why are we arguing this is bad
literally no one argues it's bad when the main theme's melody is reused to climax into the final boss theme, that's called a melodic journey
this is like arguing that chrono trigger is bad for reusing to far away times multiple times
Oh i dont have problems with just leimotiffs, the ost is just too samey for me. Kinda like "what if tactics and 12 went wrong"
Even 14 that uses leimotiffs all the time to the point i get tired of it ends up being more creative than 16 in my opinion.
FF15 had a terrible soundtrack that was even more terribly used in-game.
FF7R cannot even do one step without tripping themselves into the 15th arrangement of the same song, Hollow is the only good original song of the entire game.
Only FF16 actually has things to look forward to and have gameplay moments with genuine musical brilliance in them. To Sail Forbidden Seas is one of the best boss themes I've heard and it is a stroke of genius to include a waltz in the middle of a frenetic boss fight theme.
> and it is a stroke of genius to include a waltz
I mean it's not that genius. Having a slower part in a big epic song for the sake of contrast is pretty common. To Sail Forbidden Seas was pretty dope though. Probably the best piece on the soundtrack but my favorite thing he did musically was when he makes parts of Bahamuts boss theme like a baroque chorale because he represents holy magic.
>Having a slower part in a big epic song for the sake of contrast is pretty common.
Not common in FF, at least in the context of a waltz that truly holds it together without feeling terrible, especially when To Sail's pace is frantic.
Yoshida haters are legitimately braindead. Imagine thinking their shit games like 7, 10 or 15 wouldn't be gathering dust if not for XIV saving the series.
FF14 literally funds FF7 Remake and they spit on the hand that feeds them.
All the spin-offs of FF7 failed, all the FF7 mobile games failed, square employees themselves are so aware that it is a scam they do insider trading on FF7 because it's the only way to get money out of it.
In the end, only FF14 remains standing so they seethe massively that CBU3 holds the entire fort in a way that CBU1 completely fails to deliver on.
Yoshida haters are legitimately braindead. Imagine thinking their shit games like 7, 10 or 15 wouldn't be gathering dust if not for XIV saving the series.
I really hate blaming everything on a boogeyman but it does feel like some homosexual is just trying to incite warring and just saying whatever negative concensus to shit on a game or to achieve whatever goal he wants.
Like, from the style of posts it's obvious how it's just one guy replying to himself so it doesnt matters. But i wonder why even do this when there is barry in real time posting here.
Like, from the style of posts it's obvious how it's just one guy replying to himself so it doesnt matters. But i wonder why even do this when there is barry in real time posting here.
yeah, it's this moron
he latched onto VIIR even though he used to be a nomura seether in the past, just to have something to use in a shitfling fight
I wonder if it's because of this
One guy randomly started going 7r gays 7r gays 7r gays in this thread. If he falls for barry baits his qi is negative.
It can be both options. There are guys who just want to have fights about their favorite FF so it doesnt matter, if they want to pretend you are a FF7,8,9 or 10 gay, you will be.
barry/bazztek/psxbnin has many IPs and has been at this for a very long time
10 months ago
Anonymous
I really love Ganker's freedom most of the time, other times I despise that someone this mentally ill is allowed to prevail through sheer, indefatigable autism
Nah, i also dislike using motiffs all the time. And he explained how it's more about being samey than strictly leimotiffs. Even said how 14 ends up being more creative than 16, which is true.
It XIV took ten years of monthly subscriptions and microtransactions to become the most successful final fantasy. That's really fricking bad when you think about it. All the other final fantasy games are single player releases where you make a one off purchases and there is no additional monetization of any kind.
FFXVI's OST hits the absolute highest of highs with some of its tracks but it also has a metric frickton of mediocre tracks (especially town stuff).
While it has some of my favorite tracks in FF history, there are other FFs that outdo it overall, XIV included
I don't know. I always just mute games and play my own music
You shouldn't do that with singleplayer games, it's key to immersion and atmosphere.
Not really, It would've been a maybe if the track from the trailer was somewhere in the game.
Jesus, delete this garbage right now, its much worse than the original.
Hate this homosexual so much. All he did was copy the original trailer and add stromblood at the end.
I don't know what Square was thinking not including the trailer theme in the game. It was amazing.
wont this be included in the ost?
nope
wtf is soken is doing, man ngl I was kinda hyped for that awakening song
Obviously not. No single player FF game will topple XIV.
Even excluding XIV though, XVI's soundtrack felt very hamstrung by the desire to have everything fit "classical" fantasy style.
The Typhon and Titan Lost song's stand out so much not because they're good but because it's a change of pace from the relentless sameyness of everything else.
Still, even with these constraints we got amazing pieces like Phoenix and Bahamut's theme.
> No single player FF game will topple XIV.
you mmogays are funny.
They are correct on an objective level though. Being an mmo, it affords a significantly greater number of music, more music for very specific/incidental sections, and greater variety. Soken on 16 in comparison came off as bland because he had to stick msotly to a very constrained theme/style.
In terms of music only I'm talking about, there's no comparison there. 14's had too many people contributing for too long.
soken has a guinness world record for his work on 14 for the most tracks in a video game
honestly there are only maybe 2-3 songs in xiv i don't like so that's saying somethig
Odin’s theme doesn’t get any respect. The fact the small vocal segment uses a Nordic riddle of Odin is cool af. A lot of the songs don’t really get enough respect. Histoire, stillwind, kingsfall, forevermore, The hideaway, are also incredible songs. I feel like soken was able to create orchestral pieces that still retain a strong melody that sticks with you instead of it falling into the western movie score shit.
16 has some really good individual songs but i really dislike the whole soundtrack
It doesnt seem to have 300 songs at all, it constantly rehashes or reuses themes.
300? I have the whole thing and it's 199 tracks.
Soken said how it was 300
Probably each song being rehashed 5-6 times, i really dislike this modus operandi of soken.
Even more when i saw the credits and some of my favorite songs werent even made by him
The truth is that Soken even in XIV get the help of a lot of composers. He doesnt have enough to take a whole mainline entry by himself.
>The truth is that Soken even in XIV get the help of a lot of composers
I hate that SE is propping him up as some fricking sucessor to Uematsu when most of the best tracks from 14 and 16 aren't even by him.
>when most of the best tracks from 14 aren't even by him.
such as?
>Answers
>Rise of the White Raven
>Twilight over Thanalan
To name a few, that they love to reuse
>Rise of the White Raven
I looked it up and this one seems to be sokens, answers is uematsu. not sure about thanalan.
Thanalan is uematsu
>I hate that SE is propping him up as some fricking sucessor to Uematsu when most of the best tracks from 14 and 16 aren't even by him.
well he did all the big orchestra ones from 16 as far as i'm aware. Though surprised that Hide, Hideaway wasn't even him.
CBU3 is trying to sell him as the Uematsu 2 and removes all the other guys who are helping him for a long time.
The octopath guy at least got lucky so he wont stay in the shadows forever, or yoshitaka suzuki who went to compose remake.
But i really dont get this strategy of shafting your composers to sell just one guy.
>The octopath guy at least got lucky
Yasunori Nishiki doesn't work for Squeenix, iirc.
what the frick are you saying, they constantly post interviews about the sound team at CBU3 and not just Soken
Soken even corrects people on twitter when they mistakenly assign a song to him
half of them are remixes of the prelude
I don't know, I haven't played XV
Absolutely fricking not. It was good but FFXIV's OST is a high hurdle to clear
give link to example
It just sounds like more of the same.
FF15 has the greatest OST of the FFs past PSX.
Yoko Shimomura hasn't put together a good soundtrack since KH1.
KH2.
KH2, but I'll give you that every KH after has had way less memorable themes and both XV and KH3 were pretty disappointing.
this shit was pretty dope.
https://www.merregnon.com/en/
You’re fricking insane. KH2’s ost dumpsters all over that statement.
>He hasn't heard BBS OST
The game may be bad, but the soundtrack is fantastic, why she went so hard on the fricking PSP it's something I will always appreciate.
I liked what she did for Xenoblade 1
She only did a few tracks on that one. The bulk of the tracks were done by ACE+
Just finished it, was an excellent game with some annoying flaws. 8.5/10
>Do you think it outdid FFXIVs soundtrack?
Probably impossible. FFXIV's soundtrack is fricking incredible with everything Soken, Uematsu, the Primals and the other singers they got over the years have collectively put together for the game.
If we were just going from A Realm Reborn though, definitely FFXVI is the better of the two.
How many people think FFXVI has a better OST than FFXV? I don’t mean which is a better game. Just which has the better OST?
To me, FFXV’s blows FFXVI’s out of the water. For FFXVI, only a few tracks really stand out. The Hideaway theme. Phoenix vs Ifrit. And like a couple more. The rest are fine but not that memorable I feel.
I genuinely, unironically remember almost absolutely nothing about FF15 soundtrack except for the generic cowboy theme at settlements
FF16 not only has more memorable themes but it's also used significantly better in the game. We're not gonna pretend we remember the titan theme in FF15 the way we do Titan in FF16
Not to mention the Eikon boss theme just blowing any battle theme of FF15 out of the water.
Shimomura is not suited to compose a mainline FF, and that's why she didn't and was helped by a shit-ton of people.
Her style has stagnated after KH1. Outside of Somnus, there is nothing to remember from her. Even the apocalypsis noctis track just shamelessly rips off skyrim
idk if it was just her or other people were involved but the legend of mana remaster has an incredible soundtrack
you're right, legend of mana HD had great arrangements i was quite surprised
>Arranged by Ryo Furukawa (OTONOWA)
>Except D1-1,4,D2-30,31 Arranged by Yoko Shimomura
Looks like she did the arrangement on a grand total of 4 tracks. Granted, she's the original composer of all the tracks in the OG game.
>shamelessly rips off skyrim
Well, she stated that she was inspired by Skyrim for the leviathan fight.
skyrim music is boring af, who would use that for inspiration?
>who would use that for inspiration?
Shimomura.
Omnis Lacrima
Somnus
Wanderlust
Veiled in Black
Valse di Fantastica
Apocalypsis Noctis
Up for the Challenge
Noctis
Hellfire
Etc.
Based
FF15 had its shortcomings but it's obnoxious when people also ignore its many strengths. The music is absolutely a high point of the game.
anything is better than 14
16 is still shit
any good track in 16 is by suzuki
frick soken
you're deaf as frick we know ff14gay
literally any theme in xv murders trash 16 garbage
15 has the best ost since 7
based
That looks worse than xv
fricking random ass mook grunt enemies in xv look better than that main story ff16 character
nothing in 16 looks next gen
it doesn't ever look better than xv
X has a better soundtrack than VII.
only zanarkand, battle theme, seymor, besaid and that mountain theme are good
Why are you lying? I don't think it's necessarily better than 7's but come on now
only the last track there is good
ur gay
Dumbas Barry, Soken is a genius and the music you posted is shit in comparison to this masterpiece:
maybe if you're moronic or something.
That gave me ear cancer.
Also why would Barry shill for X when no one from XV worked on it? I know the cult demands every negative post be Barry, but that's not the case.
X scriptwriters worked on XV. Both are shit games.
>Both are shit games.
Oh, you're just moronic. Good to know.
>any good track in 16 is by suzuki
why are you just making shit up?
find the flame is suzuki
https://twitter.com/yos_compose/status/1682052064044810244?t=3Kgnx3fj0BBIwBQt_1SI5A&s=19
Soken composed it + Suzuki and him are both credited as arrangers
its only good because of suzuki
that same melody when not arranged by suzuki sounds like shit in tracks
Did soken compose the track that plays before find the flame in that fight against Clive’s shadow? I really liked that song. I think it was called “press on”
yes
"that I participated in as an ARRANGER" you fricking moron. He didn't compose those tracks, Soken did.
https://vgmdb.net/album/129304
Yoko Shimomura obviously dunks on Soken. they're on completly different levels
I'm kinda conflicted on this one cuz while I think FFXV actually has a better soundtrack overall, the way it's used and the context of the music is utter dogshit, and it doesn't help that a lot of it was composed with an entirely different story in mind, so it's kinda tainted in my head. Meanwhile FFXVI's soundtrack isn't as good, but with that game I can at least say the music's used extremely well to accentuate certain scenes and make it overall more memorable.
So tl;dr in a vacuum I'd say FFXV has better music, while in game FFXVI's ost blows FFXV's out of the water.
Shimomura said story theme is unchanged so no
absolutely somnus lyrics match ffxv more than it ever did versus
16 loses everywhere
Ok sure the general themes might've been kept the same but that doesn't change the fact that it's noticably weaker in execution due to the story being a mess.
Like Apocolypsis Noctis is a banger song, it's a shame I can't remember a single good moment in the story where it's used effectively!
Clive's theme (Find the Flame, right?)
The Ifrit vs Garuda
Phoenix's theme
The piano theme when Clive is with Jill
Phoenix Gate theme
Battle Theme
The 3 Titan themes
Hideout's theme, which is Cid's Theme, I love how much it reminds me to Nier's seafront theme
The map theme
Those are my most memorable, I don't know the actual names yet.
>Phoenix Gate theme
Away, is also Joshua's Theme.
FF16's soundtrack is more like a movie soundtrack, where each piece is designed to provide the right ambience for the scene that's playing. As a result, it doesn't really have the bombastic tracks that stand out like FF14's soundtrack does.
Both have boring soundtracks besides 2-3 tracks.
XIV had only Titan, on windy meadows and this "for all of my children" intro. The rest was shit. Especially endwalker.
two of them are uematsu
Soken is just a poor man's Uematsu.
uematsu isn't great outside of X, the preludes, and dancing mad
Most of FF10's best tracks weren't made by uematsu lol
he was clearly the jobber of the FF10 sound team
FF9 OST begs to differ.
literally every FF OST begs to differ.
yeah, I Am the Sea blows this out of the water
nah
check your ears
It's horrible and annoying for a overworld theme.
checked and my ears are fine. Navigator's glory is better.
being this moronic
OST was pretty boring. Even the Titan Lost song felt kind of phoned in compared to some of XIV's vocal tracks. It didn't even have the amazing trailer music that made everyone go "Oh yeah this is 100% Soken, this OST is going to be amazing." Seriously what the frick happened to that song.
Sort of off topic but I didn't want to make a whole new thread. I just picked up 16 today and I like it, but holy shit
>offer a performance mode
>game runs like sloppy dog shit
They really should have dialled in the settings better. All the flashy graphics in the world aren't worth much when the game is chugging and stuttering along.
On topic, the music is pretty great, but I haven't played 14 so I can't compare.
Performance was mostly OK except where there were lots of particle effects, like Waloed. The ability to tone the motion blur down helped a lot.
I'm still early on and most areas have struggled to keep a solid framerate. The woods and the first village you go to after leaving the camp both suffered. I also noticed a lot of ghosting when you pan the camera. I have motion blur off as always but that doesn't make a difference to framerate.
In my experience, you need a little bit of motion blur turned on (even at the lowest setting), otherwise there's some visible microstuttering whenever you rotate the camera.
OK Barry. Flopspoken and XV ran worse anyway.
But Yoshida understands well only shitters care about muh 60 FPS.
Yes anon, anyone with any criticism is your Barry boogeyman. I'm not moronic enough to play Forspoken and 15 did indeed run like shit.
>paying that much for a game that will cost $20 in a couple months
It's already at a discount lmao. Retail sales are through the floor.
>Used copy
Try again.
I traded a bunch of old PS3 and 360 games in that have been sat in a cupboard for years, I actually paid nothing. I didn't buy it at launch because the price is absurd.
Will try that I guess and see how it feels.
The game is 720p with highly unstable frame rate.
Can't believe FFXV on last gen hardware had better performance, despite being open world.
>he's here
Is Barry really that much of an abo he can't notice how next-gen XVI is? This game can literally only run and be so visually impressive thanks to the PS5, Yoshida said so himself.
It's dark as shit most of the time. Day time scenes lack proper dynamic range. It's also very linear.
The terrible performance made me skip the game altogether. PS5 exclusive yet sub 1080p resolution with unacceptable frame rate. Terrible coding.
Should have used Unreal like FF7R instead of some Frankenstein version of the MMO engine. At least that looked good and ran well enough.
FF7R didn't have a performance mode on PS4
Clive is the worst main character design since ff12’s vaan
Nah, his design actually succeeded at its goal. I don't know anyone who Vaan appeals to meanwhile with Clive I've seen tons of homos and women after him.
Clive is extremely good looking, what on earth are you on about israelite?
Yes! I hope the Clive x Joshua SFMs release soon.
Why are Yoshi troons like this? Attractive does not equate to good character design. Shallow ass homosexual tard.
>Attractive does not equate to good character design
You are seriously mentally ill. I’m sick of reading your posts, Barry.
Seething gaytard
Homophobes seething ITT. FF is a pro-gay pro-trans rights franchise now.
CBU3 has been on top of its game since Shadowbringers. You don't know what good graphics look like, Barry.
Young Clive looks a bit dumb, but post 5year time skip Clive? He's cool.
His costume is too black and he needs a hairbrush. I wish we got an older version of his younger look.
Supposedly the devs fixed Forspoken and it now runs at 30 or 60 fps on the PS5. The updated demo on PC finally run on older AMD GPUs
The frick is going on with the sky?
Crack when?
Can anyone recommend which tracks are worth checking out on the XVI soundtrack?
doesn't get better than this part
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that sounds bad.
anything anyone posts will sound bad to a lazy troll
no it's just that that track sounds bad.
whatever you say
Ascension, Away and Find the Flame are the Holy Trinity.
Hide, Hideaway gets better if you played the game.
Cid's theme (The Outlaw) is one of my favorites.
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Find the battle version of this too. Both are fantastic
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https://files.catbox.moe/925twq.mp3
there's about a dozen tracks that are amazing but not on youtube yet
Thanks man, will check them out
https://files.catbox.moe/pkwu2p.mp3
typhon final phase
XIV is an MMO with hundreds of tracks that are from other games mixed with XIV unique tracks that range from great to shit after pumping them out for 10 years. it's not an OST really worth discussing let alone comparing to a single player game.
XVI's is one of the weaker ones in the franchise, i'll tell you that though.
i miss Uematsu bros
hell no
No.
But it has a few extremely good tracks, a few great ones, and a lot of mediocre ones.
That said, it's not like XIV doesn't have some mediocre tracks. It's just that there's such a large volume of music, and a whole lot of them are at least really good, that it isn't as noticeable.
Are you lucid enough to evaluate something on its own merits without needlessly comparing it to other things as if they are in competition?
the bahamut fight is pure kino, probably soken's best.
>Away
>Ascencion
>Hide, Hideaway
>Find the Flame
Already lock-on's on my playlist. However, I am annoyed with them putting the 10-20 seconds tracks on the same Disc as the big themes, it annoys me, those should be on their own disc.
Soundtracks are almost always numbered in order of appearance.
Both soundtracks are shit.
I could listen to FFVII-XIII's soundtracks without issue, but XIV and XVI both lack something to hook me and I have to mute it after about 2 minutes
It doesn't beat it, I mean thats a game with like 1000+ songs many of which are amazing. Still though XVI has a fantastic soundtrack and those claiming it's bad, forgettable are very moronic. It can be a bit samey because they made like 3-4 different versions of multiple songs. But dungeon themes and their battle versions are superb. Sanbreque and Rosaria zones have excellent fitting music, the other 2 zones are admittedly weaker. All battle themes have been energizing, some of the best combat music gaming has to offer. Cutscene music is on point and many of it is gorgeous. I'll never forget my lady and my star. It's soundtrack of the year
I can't decide if I would enjoy this game more if I wasn't a XIV player. Everything this game does is "Oh I remember this from XIV", and it's getting to the point where it feels like they're pulling too much from XIV.
Don't say that, otherwise the Rowena Syndicate will throw you in the Balmung Dark and throw away the key.
Hell no, it's impossible for ANY game to compete with FF14 due to the sheer quantity.
It's also worse in terms of quality though. But it does have a few songs that are as good as FF14's best.
>tfw Blood Beats Black
Fricking kino, the level itself might not have been fantastic but holy shit the music gets you pumped as you go through it, sick ass pirate sounding shit.
Also, some other highlights of the soundtrack IMO:
>The Lion and the Hare
>A Rose is a Rose
>Hide, Hideaway
>Lovely, Dark, and Deep
>Before the Storm
>Control (Garuda Eikon fight)
>Whitewater
>On the Shoulders of Giants
>Where it All Began
>Historie (best ambient music in the game IMO)
>Reflections - Drake's Head
>Catacecaumene
>Blood Beats Black
>Hamartia
>To Sail the Forbidden Seas
>Rooftops - The Crystalline Dominion
>Facets of Rage
>Beyond the Heavens
>Ascension (pure fricking kino)
>No Risk, No Reward
>The Riddle (Odin fight)
>Bastion - Stonhyrr
>In Darkness, Hope
>A Far Cry from Heaven
>All as One (Ultima fight)
Someone who's smart explain to me what the difference between composing and arranging is.
A composer writes the original music, it can also use digital tools to guide how the music should sound.
An Arranger fine tunes the music to how the song should sound while recording.
composer = hey i made this cool melody
arranger = okay let me take that melody and give it some oomph with different instruments and shit.
Like for this
Utada Hikaru made the melody and then Kaoru Wada arranged it for orchestra.
Both are dogshit for moronic weebs with 0 taste
No due sheer volume
There are too many bangers in XIV. Even if XVI OST was a 10/10 across the board, XIV has more.
The only way is that Keiichi Okabe would have been involved in some manner, along with Soken and Uematsu
No, both are trash
Just bring back Hamauzu
Hamauzu is doing 7R with other guys who are also insanely good
Btw some of the best FF16 songs were made by the guy who worked on 7R
Cid's theme and Find the flame.
>Hamauzu is doing 7R with other guys who are also insanely good
>Btw some of the best FF16 songs were made by the guy who worked on 7R
>Cid's theme and Find the flame.
Yeah that guy should composer for his own FF, he cooked.
He arranged it, not the same as composing.
He's still talented though.
Wtf he was also in charge of Titan's theme
>Yeah that guy should composer for his own FF, he cooked.
FFXIII
Find the Flame is by Soken. Cid's theme/hideaway theme is by Takafumi Imamura.
Takafumi Imamura also worked in 7R. The more i see the credits, more i think the soundtrack should've had more composers and arrangers
All the songs not made by soken are fresh and would've removed the weight so he wouldnt need to rehash the same theme 5 times. Why the frick only the eikons have themes? i think it's outrageous how kupka doesnt have his own theme.
Nah, you will get find the flame or the battle theme again.
>All the songs not made by soken are fresh
Soken made basically all the remotely memorable shit outside of the hideaway/cid's theme.
To be fair, how many songs are we talking about
The only tracks that i feel like are stellar in 16 is
1- jill's theme
2- battle theme
3- find the flame
4-bahamut
5-titan(only the last part)
6-cid's theme
7-forgotten seas
These songs are really fricking good but i ended up shocked at the end of the game by how i couldnt differentiate or really notice all the rest of the soundtrack. Felt too much samey.
This is 8 discs worth of songs. 8 discs.
These are really the only good picks
Stillwind having a nice touch was bait, i cant remember a single dungeon theme after that one.
>These songs are really fricking good but i ended up shocked at the end of the game by how i couldnt differentiate or really notice all the rest of the soundtrack. Felt too much samey.
Frick off Barry, go back to licking XV's boots. The music in 16 and 14 is literally perfect.
FF16 feels like it tried to go a Tactics or 12-like style but because soken likes to use leimotiffs so much, a lot ends up sounding too similar.
>Jill's theme/ my star
pretty good
> battle theme
sounds like a worse knockoff of FF8's.
>Titan's theme
just straight up sounded bad. It's trying to sound all big and epic with the orchestra but the poppy composition style just makes it sound tacky.
>Find the flame
similar issue where it's basically just a jpop composition given a big orchestra. The opening kinda sounds like a knockoff of blinded by light. Kinda hype though.
>forgotten seas
Solid, which is probably why they used it so much.
Honestly the most memorable track to me was this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWbShlHY6xA
But then later in the game they try to adapt it into orchestra as Ultima's theme and it just really don't work.
i don't know you picked the worst song in the game, but you did it the ultima version is just so much better
>Titan's theme
>just straight up sounded bad
Filtered.
I know right? Barry must be deaf or something
Soken mops the floor so hard with Shimomura it's almost not funny.
>MMOtrannies think this is even good let alone better than Shimomura's stuff
lmao. I don't even like FFXV and I think it's not even Shimomura's best work but Shimomura is a far better composer than Soken.
>Shimomura is a far better composer than Soken.
She was, 25 years ago. There hasn't been a single good soundtrack from her after Kingdom Hearts 1.
I liked the KH3D ost
The other KH games just sounds samey to me except KH1
KH2 you moron. Also the new tracks she did for KH3 were dope too.
okay moron. Kh2's ost is just as good as the first game's
it's actually hilarious, most titan ost yt vids have the same morons saying that the titan music is garbage, but on his channel you can find a garbage dubstep track among his uploads
you gotta understand, for some, hating games is their only personality
Putting a Sonic Adventure theme in the middle of a medieval Final Fantasy was such a bizarre idea, but somehow it works really well.
The impression i got from 16 is how they tried to do the AAA western take in soundtrack with FF.
They kept some individual songs that are able to go wild but most of the soundtrack feels too much toned down or samey. It remembers me of modern GoW.
There isnt anything like this
And it's not a issue of "going dark and realistic" because 12 and tactics also were but never needed to do this.
I really miss big character themes, or locations. Always a core aspect of FF. There is only Jill's theme and that's it, Cid's is reused for the hideaway.
As you said, having bossfights and listening to the generic battle theme kick off is also jarring.
What i miss is games ditching village themes and stuff that had very strong memorable melodies to more background style music, which kinda fits but is also fricking boring.
just a simple small village with a song like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iejFpMuLxqk just stays so much more memorable with music like this.
That said i didn't actually get tired of the boss theme even after 80+ hours, somehow, even on a replay i still enjoyed it
homie what are you talking about? All the important towns got their own themes in XVI. Swear to god you guys are just looking at the track list and not actually playing the game
Can you give me any that you think it's good? i didnt find one but i'm curious about the ones you like
I can only think about the hideaway as example.
Northreach has a good theme before and after the purple sky incident, too bad the quests are shit. Imho Sanbreque has the best set of music in the game.
> Imho Sanbreque has the best set of music in the game.
The theme starts out okay i guess but that flute part sounds godawful.
reread my post fricker, i know they have their own theme, they're just not as strong and powerful with a strong focus on a memorable melody and more like a modern games's style of background music.
I still like them mind you
>homie what are you talking about? All the important towns got their own themes in XVI.
>Swear to god you guys are just looking at the track list and not actually playing the game
They unironically didn't play the game, this is why they are convinced FF16 reuses the prelude too much thinking it's used while walking around or some shit. Probably another crusade from FF7Rgays
Yeah lets pretend everyone criticizing the game is part from another faction.
>i-it's not true
way to out yourselves
Nta but your logic is peak mental illness in this place anon
You just want to create your own personal war when there is arrangers from 7R who did songs for 16. Grow up, kid.
Suzuki was a FF14 arranger a decade before FF7R existed
Suzuki was working with CBU1 and Hamauzu since FFXIII-2
When he realizes that Ultima's theme was done by the same guy who worked in 7R. And titan's, and find the flame
Why are nomuragays such liars?
Now you're embarassing yourself. gay.
https://twitter.com/yos_compose/status/1682052064044810244
You should learn more about what goes on in these games if you want to create wars about your favorite japanese man.
>that I participated
Guess his role on XVI, gayso
The Nomuragays are beyond delusional at this point, I actually didn't expect they'd out themselves so hard.
How miserable do they have to be to shit a FF16 music thread?
>https://twitter.com/yos_compose/status/1682052064044810244
Arranger =/= composer. This has already been explained to you previously in this very thread.
Soken composed the tracks and he and Soken arranged them together. Trying to act like the tracks are somehow more his than Soken's is just moronic. Stop giving us FFXVI haters a bad name by making shit up.
No it wasn't you fricking moron. I dislike XVI but holy shit just stop lying.
>was done
it's like saying platinium games made xvi
how do you breathe?
>When he realizes that Ultima's theme was done by the same guy who worked in 7R. And titan's, and find the flame
Yoshitaka Suzuki worked on FF14 since A Realm Reborn, he has a bigger history with Soken as he arranges the big orchestral pieces of the FF14 for a full decade.
Man it was not a lie, 7Rgays are truly raiding this thread and thinking they "own" arrangers
So you think his first work at SE was ARR, do you even know when 13-3 released, anon?
Hint, 2 years before ARR.
Suzuki's first songs were only in HW if im remembering right, not even ARR.
The average Ganker anon is kinda moronic, he probably spends all day fighting about random people and has no idea about what they even worked on.
this might actually be a mental illness at this point, Yoshitaka Suzuki literally has more songs associated with CBU3 than he does CBU1.
Suzuki arranges Soken's compositions into big symphonic pieces because this is his strength
You are beyond insane to think Suzuki is more associated with FF7R. Suzuki literally worked on the final boss themes of FF14
Yoshida haters on suicide watch.
the cat is already out of the bag
you can play dumb, doesn't mean people will believe you
rent free
Yep
One of the biggest aspects of FF when you get to a new location isnt just the place's visuals, but how it will sound.
If we are being honest, only in a game like 7R you'll notice a lot of different songs because they uses "phases" instead of rehashing the prelude and making 15 different 1 min songs.
7R brought in tons of guest composers, like the Ace Combat guy.
I think these are good choices, i would just add sanbreque's theme(not used a lot) and some other smaller themes. But definitely not a game that appears to have 8 discs of songs.
While i played i realized how there is some moments where i heard no song, weird as frick.
I realized how there was something strange when i fought kupka and there was no unique boss theme. I accepted with Benedikta because the theme was new and fresh at the time.
But when i started having generic battle theme / boss theme for major fights was fricking weird.
Soken is a smart type of lazy guy. Because he will make one good song and put it in everything.
>I realized how there was something strange when i fought kupka and there was no unique boss theme. I accepted with Benedikta because the theme was new and fresh at the time.
>But when i started having generic battle theme / boss theme for major fights was fricking weird.
With every fight i got a mixed feeling.
"damn find the flame is good. But, again?"
Top 10 XIV themes? No particular order
1.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_swJPS53RRA
2.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocWKKD3Lswo
3.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj_pWv3ISAw
4.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG8op2o8omQ
5.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWgpJ0k820w
6.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyJ4ksWBUH4
7.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfkodQjdX5o
8.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms1_fL1eJ-o
9.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJxWTGmqnLY
10.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l69nQsEHxI
I'm not sure I'll ever understand Close in the Distance, sounds like a bad 80s ballad to me. The orchestra version is good though, even with the lyrics trying their best to frick it up. I'm definitely the outlier here, I get that.
one day she will come back...one day...
I could've done a top 20 and include that one and some for SB too. But I was picking off the top of my head, hence why there are so many EW ones.
>someone else who recognized the grandeur of A Pall Most Murderous
Noice.
https://youtu.be/UtxbJgEvMdg
https://youtu.be/2sag9hIVICM
Have some good music for a change
>didn't include Stargazing
You're small time, kid
I love XI OST as well.
This is soul, remembers of something like cosmo canyon.
Really shows presence and identity.
This is like Cosmo canyon with some Chrono Trigger vibes, wtf
I didn't include a lot of songs I like, just wanted to introduce these no taste having cultists to some good music.
One they should recognize.
>those first 5 seconds
You think it's a coincidence?
Of course not, he also took from Type 0.
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That Type 0 one reminds me to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tu5tLE4flc
Yeah could be for a bit, it's slightly slower though.
this soundtrack brings back memories and shivers down my spine, honestly. We can never go back to peak FFXI...
No, it lacks variety from the overall low fantasy setting. It's still really good though.
I hate that I can recognize 85% of the characters in that picture.
>Away (1987)
SOVL
>thinking anything in FFXVI can top this
Sounds like something out of Katamari Damacy.
Pure joy
yikes my man, this is what actual kino festival music sounds like
Uematsu and Shimomura sound so shit compared with Soken.
>I'm moronic
yeah you play mmos we know.
The soundtrack is amazing but the amazing gameplay and setting and soundtrack and acting even is almost ruined by the amount of cutscenes, every goddamn step you take cutscenes, every NPC you say anything to
>pan zoom
>close up
>”YEW KNOW WOT OI THINK GUVNAH?”
They even just yap up when you run past them everyone in this world has got something it’s moronic
the gameplay is actually really a serious action game, they should really have added a harder difficulty
The final boss theme is better than Dancing Mad. I don’t know why Soken split the song into phases but this phase is my favorite https://youtu.be/y40-f4DpB0E
I think it's good, but not that good
Btw, made by the arranger from 7R
That guy is the go to person they use for final bosses. He also did the endsinger's boss theme.
Soken talked about how a lot of the songs have segments that are designed to sound natural when they get repeated, which allows them to do some dynamic music that conveys the same musical highs and lows regardless of if the player is a shitter who takes 10 minutes to get to the next phase or someone competent who takes 5 minutes. It's the exact opposite of 14, where the track is designed alongside the encounter team to have certain parts of the song line up with the fight if you're doing it at min iLevel.
That's probably why it's split up like that.
>The final boss theme is better than Dancing Mad.
no it absolutely isn't. It's fine but come on now.
I dont think people should idolize composers so much...I saw tons of people arguing about xiv's soundtrack and the one they chose wasnt even composed by soken, same also with some people saying uematsu is amazing but then the ffx song they're arguing about is composed by hamauzu
I often watch this one youtuber and when something is from xiv he will always compare it to uematsu, even when the song is not composed by soken or uematsu
I dont know why FF has this level of tribalism for its composers, I dont think other game fanbases have it
this happens to literally every single aspect of video games, even kamiya in his bayonetta lets play is always talking about how people attribute all the shit to him even though everything is just a huge team project
Because the director always gets overall credit, and nobody ever does the research to see who actually worked on a certain part of the whole. Although to be fair, it gets really complicated with music, where in the case of things like remixes, the original composer always gets the composer credit, even if the remix sounds wildly different from the original.
>I often watch this one youtuber and when something is from xiv he will always compare it to uematsu, even when the song is not composed by soken or uematsu
>I dont know why FF has this level of tribalism for its composers, I dont think other game fanbases have it
Which songs are you talking about, because until 10, it's easy to not frick up Uematsu's credits.
And it's easy how to see how uematsu likes to compose his soundtracks, he gives them really noticeable themes and styles that get tied to characters and locations. And without things like leimotiffs being reused.
It was the song with piano for a dungeon? I dont remember the name but soken played it live and kicked a box on stage to make some a specific sound from the song. The guy immediately asked if this was from uematsu
Also that four fiends hyadain song in xiv, he praised endlessly because its uematsu, and then when the xiv version sounds great he said it was because soken did great if it was remixing from an uematsu song
That annoyed me to no end
FF is one of the best in the business, so music is one of the things people always look forward to.
There's nothing wrong with liking Soken, but he doesn't even come close to the other mainline composers. Soken is given much more freedom, even on the technological side, yet he creates as many themes as Mizuta did on the PS2 and then rearranges them 50 times.
This bummed me out a lot with Soken, i get it when he does this with 14. He doesnt have time there
But he is acting like he's composing for a snes game and doesnt have resources
And this wouldnt also work as excuse because Uematsu never did that.
>This bummed me out a lot with Soken, i get it when he does this with 14. He doesnt have time there
>But he is acting like he's composing for a snes game and doesnt have resources
>And this wouldnt also work as excuse because Uematsu never did that.
Uematsu did themes for specific characters and locations but he was never like that.
Uematsu was a 10/10 composer and the franchise identity is almost intrinsically tied to his shit. Since Uematsu went away the franchise has been struggling a bit to find its musical identity again as none of the composers they hire seem to able to really replicate Uematsu's style at all.
I do think the franchise is absolutely capable of keeping the quality, but it doesnt need to rely in one person. Bringing new blood and different composition styles enriches FF.
The reason why Uematsu invited Hamauzu for X was because Hamauzu had his own identity.
This is why X's soundtrack is unique and has things like this
I just feel like 16 should've invited more composers to keep the idea instead of picking the prelude and doing 15 different themes to be self-referential with the franchise.
I saw anons saying some theme with Odin is actually just a rearrangement of FF1's world map theme, but I didn't find which one they meant.
It's called "Salvation" on the soundtrack.
doesn't help that there's a trailer called the same thing
Took the words out of my mouth. If you have a version you found on Youtube or catbox or something that would be great.
That's another thing that pisses me off with XIV in general. They'll just take something from XI, XII, XIII or others 1:1, including music.
it's a rich franchise, and they aren't pulling things from outside, and even if they do, makes sense
it's like getting mad for listening to Gangplank Galleon on Smash
I've never played a Nintendo game in my life besides the original Super Mario Bros, so I have no idea what that song is.
Thank you.
Not using this everytime Donkey Kong makes a cameo equals to literally burning cash
Not bad. Can see why people like it.
XI was made by the original devs of Final Fantasy and some pretty talented devs from older entries. XIV feels like it's fully MMO devs, even though that's not the case.
The issue is that it feels like CBU3 is overly reliant on references than making new original shit. Hell, even the name of the villain in FF16 is a reference. I'm not an MMOgay so I hear posters talking about Venat thinking they're discussing FF12 only to realize they're referring to some white haired chick.
FFXI didn't have this problem.
XIV has a lot of good original music on each expansion. See
, unless I'm horribly mistaken, none of those take inspiration from older titles.
>I'm not an MMOgay
>FFXI didn't have this problem.
Make up your fricking mind
It's called learning through osmosis. I played XI a little bit when it first came out. But I don't need to have played through the entire thing to know it doesn't have Exdeath or Golbez and the 4 fiends as bosses or have fricking Ramza show up.
At this poing i believe the only thing keeping a alien called MENOVA from appearing in 14 is the 7R project ongoing, so having the same villain would be rough.
You don't like Anima in XIV, or Alzadaal's Ruins, or Absolute Virtue?
You're wrong because at this point they would just call it Jenova, as they did with Golbez.
the games has been using the summons names since ff3
of course with multiple expansions and characters, the game will reuse old names for fanservice purposes.
If you wanna judge "plagiarism" inside the same franchise (lol), you should take on account ARR only.
There's a different between shit like the summons and monsters and entire main characters. FFXI and FFXIV seem to have had drastically different approaches. Whereas FFXI tried to do more to craft it's own world FFXIV feels like an FF "greatest hits" with references out the wazoo.
Not a "feels like", it's exactly what 14 is, even the devs would probably agree with you.
So delegate that shit to some spinoff game like SoP and WoFF. Mainlines crossing over is moronic.
1.0 for all its faults never tried that shit as far as I know.
To be fair it's why the game works makes money
At some point they will put some shit like not cosmo canyon there with a not-nanaki plot that will reuse the same core themes and people will cry their eyes out.
FF11 is insane because it created a true original legacy and a lot of people who experienced it tell how it was incredible.
But putting Gold Saucer from FF7 in your mmo is just easier and more iconic for them
ff14 is more soulful and incredible than xi though
Sure, anon.
And it still has crystals, chocobos, moogles, tonberries, etc.
Not even gonna respond to the bait.
I agree they shouldnt put any summons in the next game and make them ships instead
Or maybe the summons can convert into vehicles, and theres no towns and npcs?
Or maybe your airship just needs to be a fricking car on the road instead, and you cast magic like throwing grenades?
Or drop the classic jobs and make Chemist and other bullshit
Like, it's impressive how you took that reply in this direction
When it's just an objective analysis about how XIV works. Ripping the concept of gold saucer and putting it in your game is easier than creating a new legacy from 0, it's just an objective thing.
You simply dismissed something because it is a reference to the other thing, while ignoring the original things that xiv did.
You value originality so much, thats why I presented you the choices the devs took that we got in the games.
He's talking about CBU3's desperate need to affirm their products as "Final Fantasy", anon. Not even games like XIII or IX needed to be so heavy handed with the "remember this thing from old game!?" screaming.
But i did not, can you greentext the part where i dismissed original aspects of FF14? i just said that putting gold saucer there is easier business-wise for them. And it's not a lie
The fact you took this as dismissing everything original FF14 does just seems like being defensive
>Arguing in the other way is being overly defensive
Also
>FF11 is insane because it created a true original legacy and a lot of people who experienced it tell how it was incredible.
But putting Gold Saucer from FF7 in your mmo is just easier and more iconic for them
>That's another thing that pisses me off with XIV in general. They'll just take something from XI, XII, XIII or others 1:1, including music.
Whats your defense on these statements?
You clearly dismiss everything in xiv as being references.
>That's another thing that pisses me off with XIV in general. They'll just take something from XI, XII, XIII or others 1:1, including music.
This post wasnt mine, but i understand that anons's feelings.
14 does things well but when i see just not-FF4 in EW's patches i cant do much beyond just laugh. Cmon dude.
At some point we'll just be like KH and seeing abridged versions of disney movies(FF plots) but with some differences like having donald and goofy(ZERO) by our side.
People are overly sensitive here, they think that CBU3 doesnt have a clear intent to appealing to nostalgia or making their job easier when they put places like Costa del sol in 14. Or banking in the history of the franchise.
I feel like yoship himself said how 14 is a themepark. 11 would be more like a traditional mainline entry in this sense because everything is original.
>People are overly sensitive here, they think that CBU3 doesnt have a clear intent to appealing to nostalgia or making their job easier when they put places like Costa del sol in 14. Or banking in the history of the franchise.
>I feel like yoship himself said how 14 is a themepark. 11 would be more like a traditional mainline entry in this sense because everything is original.
hmmm yeah XI would be more like a traditional entry if you look through these lens. XIV is legit hte FF online because this is the theme park to see the cool reference.
>objective analysis
yeah, my fricking ass
guess what, bucko. cbu3 is implementing that shit cause they are suggested by the community
imagine getting something asked for years, just to implement it in the worst way, that's how you lose players, that's how wow bleeds players even to this very day
Yeah, business model. Make content based on what's asked more and bank on the IP. I think it's cool
We'll have a villain called MECRON or ZULTIMECIA at this rate.
They don't need to slightly change the names, they can and will use the same name, and the director from that referenced game WILL clap
>“Part of why I'd never played [Final Fantasy 14] is because I've always liked MMORPGs,” Sakaguchi says, “and just like I feared, I got addicted to it once I started.”
Yoshida doesn't understand what the identity of the Final Fantasy series is. IE a compelling story about the things that remain constant and eternal amidst change. He believes instead FF has no identity and is just a set of loosely connected references. So there's your answer as to why.
It also doesn't make any money because of that either, but because of WoW degenerates flocking to it.
>Yoshida doesn't understand what the identity of the Final Fantasy series is. IE a compelling story about the things that remain constant and eternal amidst change
that's a cool interpretation, except that isn't what makes a FF, according to sakaguchi
>MMOshitter is ignorant about the history of the series.
Pottery.
want me to quote him? i mean, in case you are too stupid to google it
don’t bother, he will go on another tirade about Christianity and Buddhism cause he’s a cuck
Emetfujo is that you?
>even the devs would probably agree with you.
didn't yoshida say that xiv was a love letter to old ffs? No one is saying the contrary here
>There's a different between shit like the summons and monsters and entire main characters.
Yewah, I know. That's why I said
>you should take on account ARR only.
You also want people to buy the expansion, right? Fanservice nostalgia is the easiest way to do it, just as a hook
I mostly agree with you but XIV does build its own world with some references.
Heavensward for example has a KotR boss but its not just a reference, its properly built up in the game, but it is a reference. Same as Shadowbringers too, it has the Crystal Tower, Hades boss and FF1 Warrior of Light boss, but all of them are given proper backstory and explanation. I think to dismiss them because "its just a reference" is kind of disingenuous.
For Endwalker 6.0 though, all bosses are unique to XIV which I liked.
You're not wrong. 14, at this stage of its life, is heavily drawing inspiration from classic FF. Like Endwalker had a lot of FF4 stuff in it except one of the best pieces of written music in the entire franchise, Within The Giant.
I think it's nice how soken does that but at some point i just go ???
Like, the game doesnt have enough individual songs to keep doing this. Everything already feels really rehashed, and the other half has almost all of its songs using "parts" of old games. huh
moreover using another game's main theme is usually never done in a single-player FF. They might use series main theme or the prelude but not another game's main theme. I can understand FFXIV doing that a bit due it being largely based around referencing older games but not a mainline SP game.
Yes. Bro forgot he doesnt need to "pay homage" old games as much. Seriously, i cant stand the prelude anymore.
My biggest problem is how the prelude keeps being reused with no coherence.
In the last scene with Clive and Jill makes sense because it's a happy and sad moment with the party before the final boss, but the problem is how the game keeps using for different things constantly, like at the start in a random battle scene with people dying. It's just for arbitrary reasons, and this removes all weight of the theme.
Lets be honest soken just likes reusing things because makes his work easier. At this point his love towards leimotiffs, rehashes and references happening even in mainline games tell that much
I like when he tries to do some new things like Elpis' theme. But i was just expecting a different aproach in 16. It's fricking weird how he was more creating in the mmo that he copies everything than in the mainline title.
>Like, the game doesnt have enough individual songs to keep doing this.
might be the dumbest post, FF16 has a shit ton of songs, and it totally rules to arrange FF1 songs just like MOST final fantasies
you gays are now circling around to being mad FF16 is an actual FF game
>XVI is not an FF
>XVI is too much of an FF
>XVI is not an FF
>XVI is too much of an FF
this is the biggest case of damned if you do, damned if you don't, but it takes a special kind of idiocy to claim that FF16 doesn't have enough songs. I have been listening to the soundtrack for two days and there are a ton of actual melodic throughlines in the OST.
>ton of actual melodic throughlines in the OST
then why are 99% of them shit
Incredible how the best defense you had was to bring a random strawman. What is this even supposed to mean
i think you are a babbling moron to argue against the inclusion of the prelude theme in a Final Fantasy game
this shit makes no sense to me, FF16 is not rehashed because it does what any self-respecting FF has done. The prelude was in FF7's title screen sequence for frick sake
Ok, 4 more prelude versions for you
Good? What the frick does that even mean. The game is playing the prelude in important cutscenes, not while I'm fighting a behemoth. It's absolutely warranted
You're mad that FF16 is a FF that uses its legacy to its advantage. Imagine if I come to a FF7 Remake thread and say "Ok, 4 more battle theme variations for you."
The argument is doubly moronic because FF16 arranges its character themes far more than the prelude or cornelia.
off the top of my head, Clive, Jill and Cid have many more variations. Hugo's theme and Barnabas' theme, not to mention Ultima too.
Most of its battle themes are strung together by the same melody but wildly different in tone and execution
Like, it's not even any different than most previous FF games.
this one.
https://soundcloud.com/user-675036643/final-fantasy-xvi-583958195
Wandering Flame is just peak
You listen to this shit and can think of FFX's setting. Made perfectly for that game
Sounds ethereal and mystic.
Soken rehashes things, it's just how he works. 1 theme becomes 10 different things.
Better than XVs, better than XIVs, better than 7Rs, but worse than XIIs.
also
>couldn’t have a sales doomie thread because Square said they were strong today
kek
Holy shit who even believes in this, even the worse ivalicee cuck would never take this as true.
>who even believes this
Me, homie. Sakimoto and Iwata (and their use of the tracks in-game) shit all over everything past XII. Even forgot to put XIII it was so shit.
XIII had a good ost. I think XII's area themes were great but the boss themes and shit were a bit meh. Not quite Sakimoto's best. The area themes in XII shit on XVI's area themes for sure though.
What? The Esper theme was so great they remixed that shit for Dissidia. XII's music is pretty great across the board.
it's fine I guess, just a bit generic is all. Tactics Ogre had better battle themes than FFXII did.
’t have a sales doomie thread because Square said they were strong today
source?
https://www.ign.com/articles/square-enix-responds-to-final-fantasy-16-sales-concern-points-to-ps5-install-base
no wonder the doomposting shifted gears
imagine if they would've launched it multiplatform...
nice bait.
XV is definitely weaker, 7r is mostly worse than the original and XIV has so many fricking songs its hard to compare so i mostly agree
Most of XII’s good music in in FFXIV
worse than xv in every aspect
valse di fantastica alone murders ff16
Thats PR spin
they said early sales relative to the install base of PS5 only
not overall or in relation to its budget
ff16 bombed
>ff16 bombed
the only way to know that is to know how much the exclusivity deal was for and we'll never know that.
>the only way to know that is to know how much the exclusivity deal was for and we'll never know that.
I think CBU3 not getting their slimy hands on another mainline game ever is gonna be a good indication. They needed FF16 to be a groundbreaking release on the level of 7 or 10, stupid decisions like PS5 exclusivity (despite the game looking barely better than a PS4 game) or getting next to zero feedback for their shitty writing holed them into yet another mediocre release, which continued the downwards sales trend that started in XIII.
>despite the game looking barely better than a PS4 game
The technical graphics are actually quite good, the issue is the art direction being drab for most of the game and the faces/hair being arguably worse than in previous FF games.
>to zero feedback for their shitty writing holed them into yet another mediocre release
That and the fact that Square outside of maybe KH just adamantly refuses to understand that level design is a thing. RPG players like exploring labyrinthine areas and dungeons, not just flat empty fields and corridors. You'd have thought that Elden Ring's success might have tipped them off to this.
this is copium
7r had the same exclusivity deal and sold higher yet SE never said 7R sold well, they just said it did 5m as a statement of fact and the only other comment was that it had the highest digital ratio on ps4 out of ffs and that its sales were slowing down in june
>7r had the same exclusivity deal
we don't know if the payment amount was the same though. If the PS5 has a smaller install base that would likely have been taken into account in the exclusivity deal.
INSTALL BASE DOESN'T FRICKING MEAN ANYTHING HOLY FRICK
switch had 0 install base and sold like 20 million zelda
elaborate your stupid post, please
Since ffxv sold 4m on 47m ps4 day 1 and ff7r sold 3.5m on 110m ps4 in 3 days why would install base matter?
it doesn't matter whatsoever and attach rate is a pointless copium metric that means nothing
ff16 did 3m on 40m PS5 in a week
that is still a worse attach rate than ffxv doing 4m on 47m ps1 in 1 day
Nta but my take about this is how comparing with 7R is tricky because the attachment in a instalbase doesnt grow exponentially as people expect.
Because
1-at some point people get the consoles just to play shit like fifa
2-early adopters consume and buy more games, even more when there isnt a lot of options.
So thinking that ff will sell the double if the instalbase is 2x bigger is a trap.
But the comparison with FFXV makes sense because the instalbase between games was basically the same with XV and XVI.
where do you get that 4m number?
5m day 1
80% ps4
it does in business negotiations. If they're entering a deal to make their game exclusive to a console that fewer people own they'll probably ask for more money to offset the risk. We have no idea what the amounts of the exclusivity deals were for 7R or 16. Until we do all the sales sperging is irrelevant.
where was the PR spin for forspoken?
who fricking cares
Forspoken isn't SEs biggest or marquee franchise like FF
SE has a more vested interest to damage control ff16 than a literal who new ip everyone mocked
>who fricking cares
(you)
their PR move was saying the numbers were lacklustre, I don't see SE doing the same with XVI, dont they?
>but muh literal who new ip
nobody cares
FF16 is SEs main title in their main franchise and so they have more reason to damage control it
SE never said 16 is successful you tard
>Square Enix has insisted sales of Final Fantasy 16 are “extremely strong”
>“extremely strong”
wait for the PC release, hopefully with the noose already around your neck
early sales only*
relative to PS5 install base only*
aka wow its nothing you stupid homosexual
stop falling for PR damage control
>IT WILL BE CANCELLED
>IT WON'T SELL
>IT WON'T SELL MORE THAN 400K COPIES
>THE GAME IS SHIT, WILL HAVE 5/10 ACROSS THE BOARD
>OKAY, PAID JOURNOS
>IT ONLY SOLD 3M, WAIT AND SEE WHAT SE THINKS ABOUT IT
>THEY THINK IS DOING GOOD? PR MOVE PR MOVE PR MOVE
you are fricking pathetic, go make another doomthread, you troony
Looks like ff16 gays are on pure damage control copium
nobody said 16 would be cancelled, though the ps4 version did get cancelled
it isnt selling well, worse legs than any ff
it sold less than 400k in japan yes
it does have low reviews and lower Amazon score
3m for a AAA FF is not hood
SE never said it did good, they spouted damage control about early sales RELATIVE TO PS5 INSTALL BASE only and not its overall sales or how it did relative to its budget
and they never said ff16 is a success or that they're happy with its numbers or that it exceeded expectations let alone met them
because they havn't and if they did they wouldve said that instead of the PR cope they gave to IGN after they inquired about FF16s weak sales in japan and lower sales than other FFs worldwide
cope you moronic ff14 cum guzzler
>nobody said 16 would be cancelled, though the ps4 version did get cancelled
where were you when Ganker was flooded with those morons?
>it isnt selling well, worse legs than any ff
strong
>it sold less than 400k in japan yes
doomers said globally, frick japan
>it does have low reviews and lower Amazon score
"some" low reviews, mostly cause "muh no blacks" "muh slavery".
>3m for a AAA FF is not hood
strong
>SE never said it did good, they spouted damage control about early sales RELATIVE TO PS5 INSTALL BASE only and not its overall sales or how it did relative to its budget
strong
>more barking
go get the noose, morono, you'll need it
Nobody ever said it
cope
Literally not as sales charts prove, SE also only said early sales RELATIVE TO PS5 INSTALL BASE ONLY, not overall
nope, people said in japan it would do below 400k and it did
cope
Literally not, again only early sales RELATIVE TO PS5 INSTALL BASE ONLY, not overall sales or in relation to ff16s budget
more cope
have a nice day yoshitpissgay
Holy shit barry, you're worse than usual today. What happened.
XVI gays on pure damage control copium
FF16 bombing and their IGN damage control PR spin really set you off huh?
Probably some official announcements shaked him up.
the announcement that ff16 is in fact selling worse than ff15 even with install base factored?
Barry I hate FF16 too but nobody gives a shit about the sales. Just talk about how bad the game is instead of spamming sales threads.
It does mean CBU3 isn't touching another mainline game anytime soon.
will you have a nice day when they announce XVII
maybe maybe not. Square Enix doesn't operate on logical decision-making.
16 is dogshit and not a real ff
also everyone cares about sales
16 bombed
>early sales RELATIVE TO PS5 INSTALL BASE ONLY
wow its nothing
16 bombed
>16 bombed
curious wording
https://www.zleague.gg/theportal/final-fantasy-players-react-to-se-considering-the-sales-of-ff16-as-extremely-strong/
this one?
barry is on suicide watch at the moment please understand
you couldn't have said it better
Is everyone who defends XVI this derranged? I just wanted to talk about the music...
the music is really good, Soken is best boy
we already did, then the sales moron came in bashing and trashing
happy I could post about music before he shitted the thread
I don't give a frick about XVI I just want to see the shitposters an hero
What's your fav music in ffxvi? I like most of all but my most favorite is 'My Star'. My Star really hits me really hard, i feel sad for days just because the music and the lyrics is so romantic and beautiful. The music even made a man cried, im suprised there other people than me that cried when the ending play with this music. Soken is a legend.
I'm having a stroke off HRT overdose btw, this is why I write like an ESL.
>My Star
is that the piano one? If so, yeah, very pretty
I love Barna's theme too. He's cool character but degenerate as Drakengard's characters so much. I still like him though.
Nightskyprince is fricking your ass all day so this is why you ended up like this huh
"Cope" 3 times with reddit spacing
Black personcuckprince is getting shat on by everyone and he's so pathetic SE didn't even invite him to the ff16 event yet he still damage controls 16
No fricking company only wants one main ip dumbass. If it had sold as well as XVI did they would be championing the game but it didn't so they spoke the truth. Also what the frick do they gain by "saving face"? Saying the game had strong sales, if it didn't, will not get them the strong sales. I swear you fricks get stupider and stupider as life goes on
>Also what the frick do they gain by "saving face"?
Investors and stock value, mainly. It's why they do these meaningless "shipped units" announcements.
Are you fricking moronic? FF IS their main IP, i didn't say its their only one
learn to read homosexual
ff16 has not sold well
they are in damage control and spinning to irrelevant shit like ps5 install to quantiy their damage control
Learn to read, strong EARLY* sales RELATIVE TO PS5 INSTALL BASE*
aka not good sales overall and nothing about how it sold in relation to its budget
It's mostly great save for a few stinkers
Peak soul
The actual track name is "no risk, no reward"
ff16s soundtrack is pretty bad imo
everything is so samey and forgettable
I enjoy the XVI ost but I'm a fan of On Wicked Winds from the Eureka instance.
>tfw just choked up for a second when Lunar Serenade came on
wtf is wrong with me
will ff17 be the new mmo?
No because a new mmo is at least 10 years away. And a new mainline is probably entering full production right now.
>No because a new mmo is at least 10 years away. And a new mainline is probably entering full production right now.
more like still in planning stages. I'm just kind of curious to see what they even do after this now that they've gone full "solo action game." I just hope for the next one they actually have decent level design but I doubt it.
Not even planning
They will only start doing this around 5 years from now on when they start changing resources to build the base for the next mmo. 14 has 10 more years of expansions
And i wouldnt expect much because yoship's style is neutering choice and liberty to create the most controllabe scenario for him and devs to balance the game. You will never have something like 11 again.
No. They need some big title inbetween 7R2 and 7R3, unless 7R3 is made super quickly. Maybe it will be the rumored FF9 remake though.
We do know that the next 2 7R games are being developed at the same time. They will reuse a ton of assets and world design so it makes sense.
But it depends, there is a lot of things they will release in the next 2-3 years
7R, 7R-3, 9 remake, tactics remaster, now the rumors about x remake. I also bet in spinoffs
I'm sure they will have a ton of options to fill the gap.
>We do know that the next 2 7R games are being developed at the same time. They will reuse a ton of assets and world design so it makes sense.
>But it depends, there is a lot of things they will release in the next 2-3 years
>7R, 7R-3, 9 remake, tactics remaster, now the rumors about x remake. I also bet in spinoffs
>I'm sure they will have a ton of options to fill the gap.
It's funny to think how there is probably a 40th anniversary game for the franchise being developed right now.
A bunch of luminous staff has been moved to CBU2, either for 9R or a new mainline is my guess. Though Yoshi-p suggesting the FF numbered title is a burden may indicate SE aren't making 17 anytime soon.
19 or 20.
Not a chance. next mainline will be under a different studio, will be full ATB and all of those things people cried about XVI not having.
If SE were bold, they would've launched both simultaneosly and make them fight for the future of the franchise, like midway did with MK4 and Mythologies
FFXIV has more variety
Where did you guys listen to the OST for the ff16? And please dont say you fricking youtubed it.
I have the entire thing downloaded
I saw the OST was 7 discs but I'm a poorgay and not spending that much. Usually there's a mega with the tracks... eventually and thus I wait.
XV soundtrack is way better
Man i'm glad that bomb called FFXV is over...
ff16 sold worse literally everywhere
XIV, XV, XVI 's OST are amazing, but i can't decide if FFXVI's beat those 2 or no.
I'm still mad they didn't put the fricking trailer song in it
Saving space for 5 other versions of the prelude.
FF OSTs are amazing as always and i'd like to see Barry on suicide watch.
I'm trans btw. My Final Fantasy is Clive embracing me like this...
shitty shitposting tactic
never change, foxxo
Don't bother them, anon. You know when it's not real 'me'.
I love this song so much
Reminds me of Secret of the Forest
This is FFX pilled as frick
If someone said this was composed by Hamauzu i would believe. Wish more location themes were unique like this. I can only remember the Hideaway and Sanbreque.
you didn't like three reeds?
I think it's nice but definitely one of those cases where the setting looks too boring and isnt visualy impressive enough for the theme. But the theme is good.
Yeah Barry, still better than anything that shitshow XV had going on.
Holy shit now you're pretending that i'm a ffxv shill. The fact you keep posting shipping shit is the statement of mental illlness. Seek help.
welcome to Ganker, where falseflag posts are as common as porn
GIVE OST
view/1694681
It didn't even outdo XV's soundtrack.
>barry
No.
OK Barry. Your shit games like XV and X are condemned to oblivion anyway.
have a nice day already Zeal
I might have to if XVI doesn't sell 4 million by the end of the month!
you forgot to put the "Jillgay" this time, foxxo
>>ff 1
good game, good ff
>>ff 2
bad game, bad ff
>>ff 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
good game, good ff
>>ff 8
bad game, good ff
>>ff 9 and ff 10
>good game, good ff
>>ff 12 and ff 13
>good game, bad ff
>>ff13
>good game, bad ff
>>ff15
>bad game, bad ff
>>ff16
>good game, bad ff
we are overdue for a good game, good ff. ff17 will be the savior
XVI is more of an FF than X you shitter. Otherwise Yoshida would make more references to it in XIV. Because that's what Final Fantasy is.
What is this argument, lol
That reply is moronic but you were capable of being even more
Congratulations.
>no minigames
shit FF
meds
And the fact you dont get how amaurot is just zanarkand is hilarious.
FFXIV literally has Anima in it.
yes, now clap
>FF13
>good game
>FF16
>good game
>CTRL+F "Jote"
>Phrase not found
Shit thread.
I will fix that. Jotecute!
Ah, another anon with excellent taste. Greetings.
Based, Jote is too cute and i hope Joshua not waste her.
By the way there's schizo impersonating me, you anons will notice where's the real one.
So just like the writers, anons forgot about her.
And jill
>73 IPs
>/vg/
I've never played FFXIV but the OST in XVI is incredible, as is normal for the series. The sound tracks in these games have always been high tier and really elevate the whole experience
Even the shittiest FF has great music
So this is what he has been reduced to?
>music le bad
What a sad existence
Honestly, I can't sleep without thinking of that man. He's single-handedly ruined discussion about XVI on this site.
>ruined
yeah, no
he's the best advertisement, he's reverse midas, everything he loves turns into shit, everything he hates turns into gold
if he hates it, that's how you know it's good
>everything he loves turns into shit
not turns to shit, already was shit
>everything he hates turns into gold
nope
FFXV is shit. FFXVI is also shit.
>FFXV is shit. FFXVI is also shit.
yeah, but that's YOUR opinion
you're not reverse midas, you are just a sour c**t
No I'm just right.
Yeah, I let him control my thoughts like that too! Barry likes women, which means I must become a gay.
>Honestly, I can't sleep without thinking of that man
stop
get some help
Has been a sad existence for years now. Remember everyone would joke about Barry's curse, everything he shilled flopped and still you saw posts with the same constant images defending them and shitting on other games that overshadowed them. Tbh seeing him defend Forspoken and shit Hi-Fi Rush was pretty funny.
my favorite one was
>luminous wasn't disbanded!! they were promoted!!
Wowgays learning the existence of barry after he tried to shit on xiv in /wowg/ was also fun
Also wowgays were literally bombarded by scat posts at the same time but idk if that was barry or not
ff16 sold worse than xv so you're just taking out of your aaa xvi-kun
also luminous are literally in cbu2 on a new aaa existing SE IP and still doing luminous engine stuff
ff16 sold bad
it is bad
it is hated by everyone
it flopped
keep telling yourself that
the quote at the top is from gene park
he said it falls to shit at the end
>he posted literal who gene park's opinion again
hey look, nobody cares
You literally posted it here
to shill ff16 you moron
Square Enix has said that it has met that it is selling as expected and well for a game on one platform that has had long periods of limited availability. At least 3 million physical copies were counted as sold within the first few days and an unknown amount of digital copies
No they didnt say that at all
they PR spun its weak sales by deflecting to PS5 install base even though its selling worse than xv on same size install base
what was the PR spun about this stinker?
https://www.windowscentral.com/square-enix-posts-33-million-loss-cancels-many-final-fantasy-xv-expansions
that has nothing to do with XV in case you cant fricking read, Luminous Productions didn't make xv
business division 2 made it in 2016 and it was profitable day 1
that 33m thing is to do with new ip and cg production in luminous being cancelled so they couldnt make the 33m they planned to make from the cancelled syuff
the non canon xv dlc had that was cancelled had literally 0 dev work done on them and were still in script phase
also ffxv mobile game made $375m in 2018 alone and pc version of xv made $33m by end of fy 2019 too
Cope Barry, nobody likes XV, and its legacy is forever opaqued by 14 and 16.
No wonder FF16 bombed and is hated by everyone
FF16 is hated by chud homophobes like you Barry. Accept it, you lost, we trans sisters won.
Dreamboum on suicide watch
Don't you know? FF16's sales were 95% percent digital. This means the game actually sold more than 10 million units at this point.
FF16 was less than 50% digital but keep coping zeal
either samegay or two separate morons
still hilarious that you copied my meme
I'm glad I have such an effect on your mental health barry-san
Hilarious youre coping
>ff15 has combined goty and genre goty of 41
https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/2016/09/2016-game-of-year.html?m=1
https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/2016/09/2016-game-of-year-genre-awards.html?m=1
>ff14 a realm reborn has combined goty and genre goty of 1
https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/2013/09/2013-game-of-year.html?m=1
https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/2013/09/2013-game-of-year-genre-awards.html?m=1
>ff14 heavensward has combined goty and genre goty of 0
https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/2015/09/2015-game-of-year.html?m=1
https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/2015/09/2015-game-of-year-genre-awards.html?m=1
>ff14 stormblood has combined goty and genre goty of 0
https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/2017/09/2017-game-of-year.html?m=1
https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/2017/09/2017-game-of-year-genre-awards.html?m=1
>ff14 shadowbringers has combined goty and genre goty of 2
https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/2019/10/2019-game-of-year.html?m=1
https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/2019/10/2019-game-of-year-genre-awards.html?m=1
damn your troon mmo makes less money than ff15 or the ff15 mobile game
the ff14 shill page you're gonna post isnt awards its shit like "ff14 voted 43rd in joe jubbas top 50 best games of 2015" and shit like that
>gotypicks
too many links, here's mine
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0960140/awards/
>literally less than xv
have a nice day Dreamboum
You first.
no wonder ff16 bombed
And ff14 HAS LESS you frick and that just adds even more awards to ffxv so cope
>nominee means winner
never leave your house, dimwit
less than xv
that IS XV, you moron
acushually XIV has the most awards
add this one to your collage, homosexual
Oh what? They literally worked on ff16 after that and then are in cbu2 now as a regular team again
explains why 16 is so shit
it is not though. YWNBAW
>They were promoted!!!
How does it feel? Having your heroes working on the game you hate?
Must be really painful, lmao
Who would've said they could make a better product under the right management
cbu3 isnt making ff17
cbu1/cbu2 is
you're probably right but we don't know anything. Regardless of which team gets it, I don't expect it to be any good.
i wouldn't like to be in the shoes of those poor sods who have to be after XVI
they most likely make an old school FF, atb and all that shit purists want
and if it fails, they'll blame XVI for poisoning the playerbase
All i want is a game that isn't ass. If FF wants to be a solo ARPG, cool, give me dragon's dogma combat and Elden Ring dungeons. If not, then frick off.
Why did yoshitpiss kill se
Dreamboum isnt gonna frick you homosexual
Catch!
yep. he lost his damn mind.
at least he got twitter acknowledgement from the guy he would hatefrick
Why'd you reset your ip?
have a nice day Dreamboum you damage controlled homosexual
cheer up monkey, he's willing to throw peanuts at you from time to time
ost is pure kino. cinema. wouldnt surprise me if people start sampling it
Well, soken already did 5 times for each song.
a legend of the craft
never talk about music ever again, you would get slapped in any circle. takes a special kind of delirious moron to argue against the concept of leitmotifs
and you will seethe, nonetheless
the cope will be unbelievable at the game awards
What is this supposed to mean, he will obviously get the award because FF is just better than anyone else in the industry
But the ost is kinda garbage compared to the legacy of the franchise.
I believed it was something just with 14 because of the time, but seems like that's just what he knows to do.
>I believed it was something just with 14 because of the time, but seems like that's just what he knows to do.
yes, he uses leitmotifs
why are we arguing this is bad
literally no one argues it's bad when the main theme's melody is reused to climax into the final boss theme, that's called a melodic journey
this is like arguing that chrono trigger is bad for reusing to far away times multiple times
Oh i dont have problems with just leimotiffs, the ost is just too samey for me. Kinda like "what if tactics and 12 went wrong"
Even 14 that uses leimotiffs all the time to the point i get tired of it ends up being more creative than 16 in my opinion.
It's like FF16 was the silent protector of FF14. All the boring songs went to this one.
VIIgays are a cancer that must be excised
FF15 had a terrible soundtrack that was even more terribly used in-game.
FF7R cannot even do one step without tripping themselves into the 15th arrangement of the same song, Hollow is the only good original song of the entire game.
Only FF16 actually has things to look forward to and have gameplay moments with genuine musical brilliance in them. To Sail Forbidden Seas is one of the best boss themes I've heard and it is a stroke of genius to include a waltz in the middle of a frenetic boss fight theme.
> and it is a stroke of genius to include a waltz
I mean it's not that genius. Having a slower part in a big epic song for the sake of contrast is pretty common. To Sail Forbidden Seas was pretty dope though. Probably the best piece on the soundtrack but my favorite thing he did musically was when he makes parts of Bahamuts boss theme like a baroque chorale because he represents holy magic.
>Having a slower part in a big epic song for the sake of contrast is pretty common.
Not common in FF, at least in the context of a waltz that truly holds it together without feeling terrible, especially when To Sail's pace is frantic.
It is somehwat common in FF. Uematsu put a literal organ toccata in the middle of dancing mad and One Winged angel also has a slower part too.
>ff16 sold bad
>it is bad
>it is hated by everyone
>it flopped
are you having a stroke? why are you posting like that?
Yoshida haters are legitimately braindead. Imagine thinking their shit games like 7, 10 or 15 wouldn't be gathering dust if not for XIV saving the series.
>if not for XIV saving the series.
you mean company
This! So much this! WoW shitters and oldgays on suicide watch.
XV saved FF and SE
ff16 gays are insecure about any non yoshitpiss game
FF14 literally funds FF7 Remake and they spit on the hand that feeds them.
All the spin-offs of FF7 failed, all the FF7 mobile games failed, square employees themselves are so aware that it is a scam they do insider trading on FF7 because it's the only way to get money out of it.
In the end, only FF14 remains standing so they seethe massively that CBU3 holds the entire fort in a way that CBU1 completely fails to deliver on.
are you dilating?
14 is dead
Why there is someone bringing ff7 and ff10 from nowhere right now?
Because it's the go to games to start discourse, most popular ones. 20 years of this, it's like a script.
Every FF thread that starts discussing a topic will end up in tribalism.
I really hate blaming everything on a boogeyman but it does feel like some homosexual is just trying to incite warring and just saying whatever negative concensus to shit on a game or to achieve whatever goal he wants.
Like, from the style of posts it's obvious how it's just one guy replying to himself so it doesnt matters. But i wonder why even do this when there is barry in real time posting here.
yeah, it's this moron
he latched onto VIIR even though he used to be a nomura seether in the past, just to have something to use in a shitfling fight
I wonder if it's because of this
One guy randomly started going 7r gays 7r gays 7r gays in this thread. If he falls for barry baits his qi is negative.
It can be both options. There are guys who just want to have fights about their favorite FF so it doesnt matter, if they want to pretend you are a FF7,8,9 or 10 gay, you will be.
it really is this psxbnin dude
his writing style is the same as all the barry posts here
extreme mental illness
Barry is too autistic to play a role.
Well it wouldn't be the first time he's been caught flaseflagging as a fan trying to start shit up with games he doesn't like. Picrel
barry/bazztek/psxbnin has many IPs and has been at this for a very long time
I really love Ganker's freedom most of the time, other times I despise that someone this mentally ill is allowed to prevail through sheer, indefatigable autism
i miss irc
i used to download animu from there
You all managed to bring this to bump limit just from seething over Soken lol
The thread was actually good at the start and middle point. Only later barry arrived and another guy started going apex things went to shit.
thread turned to shit when that one guy tried to pretend musical motifs are bad to be fair
Nah, i also dislike using motiffs all the time. And he explained how it's more about being samey than strictly leimotiffs. Even said how 14 ends up being more creative than 16, which is true.
well no wonder you thought the thread was good when you're not aware of the dumb shit you post
Sorry, bro. I just always prefered unique compositions, and apparently i'm not the only one.
It XIV took ten years of monthly subscriptions and microtransactions to become the most successful final fantasy. That's really fricking bad when you think about it. All the other final fantasy games are single player releases where you make a one off purchases and there is no additional monetization of any kind.
Thing is, before FFXIV became the most successful FF, it was FFXI.
Since when im caring about sales and WoW? Dumb impersonator.
FFXVI's OST hits the absolute highest of highs with some of its tracks but it also has a metric frickton of mediocre tracks (especially town stuff).
While it has some of my favorite tracks in FF history, there are other FFs that outdo it overall, XIV included
no wonder ff16 bombed
That's not gonna be the last reply Barry, not while I'm here to cuck you
FF16 bombed
Nah. Square Enix is a fickle b***h and even they said it's successful.
FF16 bombed
Dreamboums cucked
Barry won
XV won
XVI lost
Yoshitpiss committed sudoku
keep telling yourself that
Dreamboum on suicide watch
relative to ps5 install base means ff16 bombed relative to every ff
>JP sales only thing brought up
The ultimate cope
Barry lost
XVI is strong
XV massive stinker
barry more like gayry lmao
Dreamboum more like cuckboum
FF14 literally has less overall awards you moron
This most amusing thing is I'm not even this gay you're paranoid about, I just love riling you up
cope Black person, keep seething on twitter