>freya >fails to save her kingdom >fails to find her love (has to rely on an infant child to find him) >fails to be remembered by love (she was actually just some orbiter he never even knew) >story ends less than halfway through the game
freya is among the worst characters
she pretty much accomplishes nothing
Gotta love this asexual design where artists are hell bent on covering up every millimeters of a woman's skin. And to think this is the company that used to give us based girl designs in ff7-14.
Imagine being this much of a braindead, mentally-ill coomer that a character just wearing clothes angers you and is some kind of conspiracy. And don't even try to start with the "muh high T" shit because we know you've never touched a female in your life nor can be considered a male.
Kinda hilarious that westerners go ape shit because the female characters aren't buttfricking the enemy characters with their large clitwieners like they do in western video games. Such an interesting cultural shock.
This is a shitty statement considering FF16 has nothing like Pyra. I don't think even women in Victorian era which was prude as frick would wear as frick covering clothes as FF16 girls.
>western female characters >ugly as sin >get graphic sex scenes >japanese female characters >hot as frick >entire game is "will they wont they" with their obvious love interest >at best get implied offscreen sex at the end of the game, more likely a hug in the last frame of the epilogue
WHYYYYY
Shoka was a really pleasant surprise.
I really like the amount of agency she gets as her own character, too many JRPG love interests are just 'the love interest' and leave being interesting to the rest of the cast. She can be condescending, prideful, a tease, and b***hy at times but it makes sense when you consider her background and she has her good qualities to balance it out. The fact that she actually suffers from a suicidal ideation yet the game never explicitly tells you this is a really interesting aspect of her character.
I dunno how anyone is surprised by this. Every shot of her prior to the game just about showed her as either emotionless or with the same facial expressions as Tifa, not sure what it's called but that slight smile that tells you her primary purpose is to be the MC's waifu. In fact given the rest of the game and how she actually fits into it by seeming like an afterthought it feels like she's a token, in this case token waifu because someone said that the game couldn't JUST be for fujos.
Your rebuttal is kinda ugly though.
actually insane how Lulu has a fraction of the game time and 10 times the presence
That's because your neurons activate every time she does a victory pose. Also big tiddy goth chicks stand out by default due to how rare they are.
Jote is more outgoing than Jill though, the problem is you see way less of Jote than Jill so it seems like she stands out much harder. Jill has some decent moments but it also feels like they either couldn't write the story with her going on Eikon fights with you as Shiva so they sidelined her, or didn't want to write side quests for her being there or not being there
I honestly don't think we get enough of either of their personalities to understand them, other than them being loyal and devoted to their respective man. That's way more damning for Jill since she's around for so long.
It's not just that... Jill feels like she got added in late in development or something (when that isn't the case). Look at the intro section when Cid is with you, him and Clive have tons of banter; he has his own moment to shine multiple times.
Then... compare that to Jill in the whole Martha arc. She feels non-existant outside of that one scene where she's built up to be Clive's love interest.
Hell, Cid feels like he talks more with Clive in that section just through that one moment right after the stone bearers, compared to Jill. Then he says goodbye to Clive and Jill, and Jill's like "You take care too".
In fact that might be the FIRST interaction Jill has with someone not named Clive or Torgal
I could see her being Shiva being added later into development, which means her screentime has to be limited because otherwise she and Clive could prime against any threat. Its just odd because in 7R they added a ton more stuff for Tifa compared to OG7.
Clive can't prime at will though, only when the plot needs him to. He mentions that during the 5 year time skip Jill had to prime multiple times because he couldn't. Would have been nice to, I don't know, see that but this game never shows anything,
shiva was so prominent in all the marketing nad is barely in the game. bigest bait and switch ever. also jill is such a shit cardboard cut out character
Did you even play OG FF7? She helps Cloud piece together the fragments of his shattered mind so that he can actually get his shit together and save the day.
>that happens after like 30 hours
doesn't matter how long or late it is. It happens during climax of the game, from whirlwind maze to mideel is action/emotion packed.
What does Jill do other than giving Clive her power?
Yeah but Tifa is hot and is hero bait for the main character, she has a lot of interaction with all the other characters around her so there is always something to look forward to, Jill is just stoic for the entire game and has minimal interaction with other characters if at all, even when she sees Joshua again there is almost no interaction between them, it's like she was written in all these scenes as an afterthought which I really can't imagine being the case, so what the frick went wrong in productions?
I guess you could describe it as 7R being a bit more anime than 16, despite the DBZ fights. They have all characters him in nonstop, simple dialog becomes like 4 way discussion back and forth. There is a mod to deliberately remove the anime grunts which honestly I don't think I've noticed a single time in FF16. Maybe its cause it was ENG->JPN instead of the other way around?
What the frick are you talking about. There is ALOT OF Clive and Jill scenes and clear buildup of relationship.
Tifa in comparison, in the original VII is very bare bones with the exception of 2-3 scenes.
It's so easy to notice people who never actually touched 16.
They could have kept her stoic but it would have been much more interesting to see her dynamic with the rest of the cast give her a special moment with Joshua when they meet again, where we see a sisterly side of her, or have her being annoyed with maybe some other b***h in the hub, like basic stuff that helps to show us different sides of her personality, even if you think her interaction with Clive is perfect the way it is there was much more they could have done with her
>Jill fighting Clives mom was great
What in that scene was unique to Jill? It had so little to do with her she could have been switched out with Torgal and nothing would change. The b***h Queen literally mentions how she should be grateful to her for raising her and providing a home for her which would've been the PERFECT moment for Jill to acknowledge that but also mention how much it got to her to see how she treated Clive, that moment was literally set up in the demo where Jill looks sadly at Clive after his mum shit on him and yet when it came to it they did fricking nothing with it.
Jill is wasted potential, the character.
>ad with cute anime girls that look like they are waving at people or interacting with our world
Neat. >ad with final fantasy random flashy effects
Boring.
she's so fricking boring, I just finished the Drake's Breath segment so I assume that's the last time her character is going to get any focus. She kept talking about "muh revenge" but I just never really cared because 1) we never fricking see any of the shit that happened to her besides the opening, 2) it's so similar to Clive's story that it just feels redundant from a narrative stand point.
>some lunatic incel hunted through social media until he found that troony >his faceblindness (autism symptom) made him force a conspiracy theory that he's the model for the fable trailer custom MC
it's the Sam Maggs Spiderman insanity all over again. you people are mentally ill lunatics, probably surrounded with dozens of piss bottles and smell worse than a decomposed corpse. behold how 5 seconds of google searching upends the output of your schizophrenia
Jill's inclusion felt like square just wanted to fill the "at least 1 female party member" quota.
She's such a painfully boring and inoffensive character. Every single major character aside from cid and joshua was complete dogshit with disappointing payoffs.
I liked Clive, Gav, Cid and Joshua. I agree though that Jill is kind of ass. She's alright pre timeskip, but after drake's breath she is just kind of there.
Anon I like gav and some other npcs too. But they are not major characters. I was so disappointed on how they handled the dominants. None of them were developed past their whole role to make clive the central focus of the game.
Dion isn't too bad, could be better.
Hugo is a bit of a meme due to the cucking stuff and the fact he went to war over a woman who was fricking other men anyway, but he was ok.
Barnabas is a huge waste of time though and the biggest disappointment.
Benedikta was disappointing.
I would say Gav counts as a major character though. He gets a lot of screentime, and his sidequest is pretty solid. He's even present in the ending cutscene. He's at least as major as a side character can get.
I hate how Barnabas is built up as the most powerful man in the world for the entire game, then he just shows up, beats up Clive, tells Clive that he won't kill him and just needs him to be presentable for Ultima and fricks off a few times. Then he dies because turns out he just gave up and became ultima's slave years ago because he's pathetic.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don't know how you frick up a character like Barnabas, its bizarre. I just could not stand another word about humans being shit out of him. Harbard was even worse and his stupid fricking accent pissed me off
11 months ago
Anonymous
>muh nihilism
I truly wish we get a FF villain on par with Vayne
Hugo was nowhere near "ok". He's just as bad. It felt like the writer was trying to do a multi-faceted character, one who is ruthless, clever and cunning, but also obsessively in love with a woman. it's actually hilarious that the only scene showing Hugo and Benedikta's relationship is that first motorboating scene and yet we're supposed to understand why Hugo cares so much about it. Would have helped a lot if his character showed that he knew Benedikta was playing him, but chose to pursue his love regardless. Hugo's whole conflict with Clive also falls flat because the story didn't explore his relationship with Benedikta in depth.
we know next to nothing about the enemy dominants. I don't even think we even learnt Barnabas' fricking backstory and he's supposed to be the secondary antagonist besides Ultima
11 months ago
Anonymous
The whole 1/3 of the plot towards the end felt like it was straight up ripped off of naruto shippuden's war arc. Madara is barnabas and ultima is kaguya, but in naruto we at least get some backstories on those two characters.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's Attack on Titan + Xenosaga + Naruto
the GoT similarities really are superficial
11 months ago
Anonymous
Xenogears*
11 months ago
Anonymous
Kaguya literally doesn't get anything that isn't forced at the tail end, Ultima's name is brought up multiple times in the first half and the whole Clive Mythos thing even earlier
11 months ago
Anonymous
Naruto was a story that was made up as it went for 15 years, XVI being similar in story to that as a one-and-done release isn't exactly impressive.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Except Madara could and should have been the final boss. Kaguya doesn't need a reason to exist
11 months ago
Anonymous
>first third is a FF7 ripoff >second third is a GoT ripoff >last third is a Naruto ripoff
11 months ago
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>The Narutoposter is back
11 months ago
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He's got the most backstory out of any of the others. He came out of the desert, took a boat east and took over some warring tribes and conquered a weak kingdom. He was apparently a pious man, and more than a little gullible (he took Ultima as his god answering his prayers).
11 months ago
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>He came out of the desert
I thought he came from the south (that we don't really know anything about)
11 months ago
Anonymous
He came from a continent south of the twins, sailed to Ash when he was a teenager or preteen, and proceeded to conquer the entire continent through warfare and the power of Odin shortly after he became a man (so 16 or 18 probably?). Presumeable said continent is completely destroyed since Ultima seemed pretty sure that Valisthea was almost dead and the twins are the only areas still alive and not completely blighted.
11 months ago
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>All of the world except for the Twin Realms is destroyed and irrelevant
Fricking lame, for all the care that they put into worldbuilding the world feels so small
11 months ago
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I really wish we'd at least get a short flashback of what Barny was like before he turned into a nutter
11 months ago
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They refer to other places existing far away but there's no map of the globe and no one asks Ultima why he didn't try to pull off his plan where there weren't Dominants who could stop hom
To be fair they never explain how becoming a dominant works though. People think it's hereditary, but there are dominants with normal parents like Bahamut. Someone not even from Valisthea being a dominant is wild even compared to that
11 months ago
Anonymous
it would be better if Ultima actually were a god that wanted to turn the world into a utopia without free will. Instead we just get FFIX 2.0
Hm I really like that. I’m going to pretend that Hugo is so upset because he knew he was being played but wanted a chance to make her really fall in love with him, and now that chance is gone. Makes him more interesting.
thank you for reminding me that Clive had to pose as Jill's slave and the game was so soulless it could've even deliver any shitpost-worthy material from it.
I think a master/slavery relationship is a bit too much to joke about, and in general they are pretty serious in most situations. For instance you can't see a point in the story to fill in a dance sequence where Aerith prostitutes Cloud out for a bit.
She speaks for him a handful of times and they move on. There was nothing to really do with it besides her commanding him like a slave which would be another minus point off reviews
>another woman comes up to Jill and asks her how much she'd have to pay to buy Clive from her >she gets pissed off and possessive
you could easily fit in some fun moments without fricking up the tone of the game, they did it with Cid, Gav and Byron
>meet Cid >he immediately starts dunking on Clive for being an edgelord >meet Gav >he and Clive immediately become best bros >meet Uncle Byron >Clive acts out his old chuuni phase to prove he's real
fricking hell what went so wrong with Jill
So, did they get in a relationship during the timeskip, because I honestly can't tell if they are or they're stuck in that "more than friends not lovers yet" gray zone
>everyone expected barny to be your classic "might makes right" character, basically another armstrong >cliche but as long as he puts on a good spectacle, fine >instead he's actually a weird fusion of that, mommy issues, and some bizarre slavery kink
It's just Maehiro that can't write, holy shit why are the characters in this game so shallow. It's like they spent all their time world building but just said frick it when it came to the actual people living in it.
Outside of the villain cast, there's actually a decent amount of characterisation, the problem is they shoved almost all of it in sidequests, and at the tail end of sidequest chains that only finish when you unlock the final dungeons. Jill is the least developed member of the main cast by far since she stops being relevant like 40% into the game.
>Barnabas is a mommygay >only shown for one scene and never mentioned again
I just know these c**ts are saving what mindbroke him into what he is now for an Episode Barnabas DLC
As much as I hate shitty dlc practices, if they're gonna dlc something in this game I'd rather it be the dominants. Every dominant that isn't Clive or Joshua could do with a hell of a lot more.
>get to scene with the sanbreque council, where a bunch of stupid old fricks mumble and argue over political bullshit and then get put in their place >get to scene with the dhalmekian council which is the exact same shit >joke about how these are the same old fricks as before but in different outfits >finally get to third council scene in the free cities, and again its the same shit >realize midway through that they really are the same old fricks as before
Funniest unintended joke of the game
I probably play it more than you, XIV has no good female writing. Every time someone says they want more of a female character, they are a brain-addled coomer and nothing more. >muh yotsuyu I could've saved her bros >muh yugiri who was entirely useless since inception and only existed to sell a new race >muh yshtola who still has no personality but fan favorite so everyone just wants gato sexo >muh ryne and gaia who had the worse raid story and do literally nothing >muh fordola who had some potential but was tossed aside and now the character simply exists despite not being necessary >muh venat ooh mommy? mommy? sorry mommy? sorry mommy?
Every memorable character in XIV is a man. Thancred, Gaius, Ilberd, Hoary Boulder, Haurchefant, Estinien, Nidhogg, Ardbert, Zenos, Emet-Selch, Urianger, Vauthry, Fandaniel, etc.
>because some people sexualise a character, I can immediately forget their characterization
And he only posts the sexualized males as good examples.
Yes, even Niddhogg.
Venat has the best cutscene in the entire game and you only say "mommy mommy mommy"?
Let's just say you're being insanely disingenuous and leave it at that.
>Fordola doesn't count because her story arc is done
Wow, you've sure shown me. Imagine saying Yshola is useless when Thancred doesn't do shit till the end of ShB.
Fordola's arc never completed is the usage, they got halfway into it, forgot, then brought her back anyways to tell Alphinaud something he had already experienced and been through himself in HW because the current writer is terrible and did 5.5 MSQ so of course Alphinaud needs character regression.
>get to 1st barnabus fight >bits of his character theme leaking through the cutscenes, the dungeon music, etc >buildup to the duel between clive and barney, let's go >default boss music theme plays
What were they thinking. Literally what the frick. I thought this hack had 8CDs of music why is he reusing the same song over and over for your capstone bosses WHY
I am not sure why people are complaining that Jill is a cardboard. She has a lot of cutscenes like this where she shows emotion, usually in a subtle way like most adults do. There is also one mission that focuses on her past where her dialogue is awesome. Besides he has so much more screen time than Luna in FFXV which I'm happy. If anything my biggest problem with her though is that her overall design makes her look almost like a generic NPC. The men are gorgeous —- everything about them seems to have been meticulously designed. But Jill. OMG that play dough hair alone, poor thing. But hey as a gay man I can probably appreciate this game more
>FFXVI >KH >Stranger in Paradise
what recent Squaresoft game (if we ignore DQ and all the smaller games) DID have good female characters? i think this isn't even worng here. they actually seem to have a problem with that
>mogs anyone in 14 or 16 or kh or sop >big booba >sexy and flirtatious >strong party ally >her role doesn't revolve around a man, she just does what she feels like >the only dragoon to never job
>is only relevant when all pretense of there being a decent plot has failed >literally the last hurrah of a game that's gone completely and utterly off the rails.
sad
Why lie? she's first seen in chapter 3 intro where empire is giving orders to find and kill luna and they make ravus into high commader, even in that seen you can see she looks disinterested in what the empire wants
She's then a boss in chapter 6 at a niflheim base and she dips and says she doesn't work after hours which lets us know she's being payed to fight for the empire
then chapter 7 she joins as we go through a solheim era dungeon that niflheim uses to excavate mythril and she says how she's a merc and wants to leave to empire and how much she doesn't trust ardyn and how the emperor changed, planting seeds that ardyn was behind things with the empire
She drops us off back at Lestallum and says she'll see us again
and later joins party randomly when fighting at night in
then later is in chapter 12 in tenebrae after shit went down and she reveals she's left the empire and in search and rescue business now and gives more insight into how fricked the empire is while also getting her subordinates biggs and wedge to help you
subsequently is also in ep prompto which chronologically is after the events of chapter 12 where she's infiltrated the snowy area niflheim base to take out some new magitek stuff and happens upon prompto, she makes him help her and then she helps him deal with his trauma and insecurities and they fight their way through the other bases and take down the new magitek that was also verstael who transferred his soul into it
And then she sees prompto off
in timeskip she has her own army as do biggs and wedge and she's off taking out daemons around eos
Why do I keep seeing that she's barely in the game I had a mission where it was to take her or the doctor and I took the doctor because she was in the game plenty and was needing a rest story wise apparently do you homies actually play the game last bit I got to the trophy popped and it was at like 9 percent of players so I doubt most of u gays even played it.
>do sidequest to get Ambrosia back >she's right there with me >receive lovey dovey letter from her
>sorry for writing those silly letters, but for every day we spend together, we must suffer 2 days apart..... I heard you got Ambrosia back
On one hand, that's cute but unfortunately also weirs and inconsistent
Clive is super emotional and tends to break down crying because he tries to be stoic and bottles it all up and Jill is there so he won't kill himself. They complement each other
>Clive is super emotional and tends to break down crying because he tries to be stoic and bottles it all up and Jill is there so he won't kill himself. They complement each other
that sounds awful
he didn't kill himself for 13 years even after all the crazy shit he went through, but the second he meets her again he wants to off himself?
I think the game is trying to tell you something...
I know you're joking but he didn't kill himself for 13 years because he was holding on to the whole revenge thing.
>Clive is super emotional and tends to break down crying because he tries to be stoic and bottles it all up and Jill is there so he won't kill himself.
Are men so weak that they literally need pussy to keep them level headed?
Unironically yes for a lot of guys. Ever since the divorce broke my buddy's soul he desperately jumps from relationship to relationship because he can't stand being alone
>Unironically yes for a lot of guys. Ever since the divorce broke my buddy's soul he desperately jumps from relationship to relationship because he can't stand being alone
Your buddy needs to get his fricking priorities straight, he's setting himself up for literally being "FOREVER ALONE"
>Clive is super emotional and tends to break down crying because he tries to be stoic and bottles it all up and Jill is there so he won't kill himself.
Are men so weak that they literally need pussy to keep them level headed?
My issue with Jill is that she's not only boring, she immediately imposes herself on Clive and his internal struggles while doing nothing to actually help him at the same time, with the exception of nagging the man when he does something in his nature and not being polite.
Nah, would've been awesome. Really hammers home the confusion she feels when she's not allied with anyone and can't rely on anyone but Cid, who then potentially dies. Real tragedy kino.
The Cait Sith double agent stuff was pretty lame anyways in 7. Even ignoring the time jannies, I am pretty sure they wouldn't have him steal the keystone just based on the characterization they are going for.
The scene where they first meet Clive's uncle and Clive starts acting to convince him of his identity and Jill just looked at him like he was crazy made me feel like they don't really know much about each other
Loved that bit that's some shit only japs would do their was a bit when I was playing couple of hours ago when the lore guy went the dog is fine he has a ferocious appetite he was all in my nuts earlier on and I sadly laughed just did not expect it.the game is actually more funny that I keep seeing I know I'm a moron but apparently I'm the only one laughing at this game
>Writes planet cancer into story, never writes a solution and is left hanging. >Adds himself as a tragic character with a tomboy girlfriend, doesn't write himself fricking her >Grounds the story, but then adds insane elements like space battles and aliens >Introduces cast of villains and turns them into prostitutes, cucks and motherlusting alienfrickers for no reason >writes his own mommy issues into the book as villain and unceremoniously kills them
Was Joshua just an incredibly shitty writer and nobody cares because it's just a fairy tale
children's novel? Is Joshua the JK Rowling of his world?
>Was Joshua just an incredibly shitty writer and nobody cares because it's just a fairy tale >children's novel? Is Joshua the JK Rowling of his world?
He's the worst fanfic writer ever, that's for sure. FFXVI is his "My Immortal"
Its a specific asian woman archetype. Supportive, doesnt speak much unless smth has to be said, introverted, overthinks, etc.
It sure as frick isnt game of thrones and sits at odds with the GoT prostitutes in the game that frick their way up the political ladder. But im glad jill is in the game and i like her as a character. Not every character needs to do controversial shit. She is clives emotional support and they are inseperable. I think it was well carried out.
>Medievel scenario >Jill is supposed to be a noblewoman >gets ignored by everyone
Looks like YoshiP didn't do his homework regarding medieval societies and their customs
>noblewoman from a house that got taken by the light >a ward/princess who then loses her second home to the invasion
She is as much a noble as Clive is, and no one treats Clive like one.
>She is as much a noble as Clive is, and no one treats Clive like one.
Plenty of people do once they realize his identity. Murdoch's wife and the mayor of that village. His uncle, Wade and a bunch of other people want to him to take back Rosaria. You have to remember most people just thought him to be some random bearer.
>She is as much a noble as Clive is, and no one treats Clive like one.
Plenty of people do once they realize his identity. Murdoch's wife and the mayor of that village. His uncle, Wade and a bunch of other people want to him to take back Rosaria. You have to remember most people just thought him to be some random bearer.
Yeah, people from fricking Rosalith. How the frick is some random people in the Empire supposed to know she is a noblewoman? Or Clive a prince? We've already been through this, Jill is an afterthought but especially when it comes to side quest/NPC interactions. They seemingly made them all for Clive alone, and don't take into account his companion.
homie just make a different dialog option OR since it really doesn't fricking matter who you have in your party just make her a mandatory cast member and make the dialog accordingly
They didn't make her a mandatory cast member because they clearly don't know how to write her into a world with this type of power struggle
The good guys have Phoenix, Ifrit, Shiva and Ramuh all alive at one point. It takes Joshua being mysterious, Cid being used up and dying, and Jill being useless for the story to really work. >but uhhh look she like coughs and shit when priming
Even Dion who challenged Odin didn't seem to be that fricked but Jill stops lava for 5 minutes and is about to die.
what probably happened is that he just watched a couple of episodes of GoT, there is no real research done into anything, XVI isn't much different or more mature than your average FF, except if you consider someone screeching "FRICK FRICK SHIT" as deep
ill has got to me the most bland, nothing of a main character we’ve had since pre-FFIV. Seriously. In the early games at least the lesser party members were one note and had some shtick, but Jill is zero note. Like, if I was challenged to think of some adjectives to describe her as a character I don’t know if I could. Like…quiet? Solemn? She’s not even particularly depressed, she’s literally just there. It’s wild to me that after 20+ hours of gameplay she’s so bland. I know her backstory and her goal, but that alone doesn’t make a character…well, not a good character. It’s frustrating at this point. She’s not even an exposition machine, she’s just there to converse with Clive but when they talk they’re basically always in agreement so it’s not like she’s even needed there, he could just as well talk to Torgal or just have an inner monologue.
>You just described tifa, rinoa, yuna and ashe. Its all the same character archetype
yeah but they all are cute Jill doesn't even have the decency to be that
Jill is cute. Her face is literally just Tifa with white hair. Rinoa, Yuna all have Tifa's face too. It's the same fricking character archetype that FF JRPGs have dusted off for the past 30 years
I wouldn't say Rinoa is quite the same - not that I particularly like her as a character but she's far more immature than the others and is clearly acting out by joining the Timber Owls due to daddy issues. She gets super upsets and the way Squall acts and responds pretty childishly compared to Tifa or Yuna who tend to get along well with the MC. She also gets some additional drama later on when she becomes a sorceress and has to deal with the potential repercussions.
but at least you have something to get annoyed at Rinoa, something at least is happening, with Jill on the other hand there is...nothing. She just agrees with everything, and since you can't even control her in battle there is not one thing that helps you to connect to her character
>There's plenty of character development between Jill and Clive
Jill: >Clive remember when I prayed for you?
Clive: >Prayers do nothing, my life is shit, I've done nothing but kill, I killed my brother and can't live with that fact, I killed Murdoch and can't even tell his wife the fricking truth!
Jill: >Oh well, that's rough buddy, but I've tried not to kill myself too, though I don't look anymore ragged than I was as a child.
I'm not even branded and I haven't fallen from royalty like you have and have to reclaim my birthright, my life is so much harder than yours, but I'm going to insert myself in your troubles just....because.
I swear that the only people I see defending this game are trannies and homosexuals
Probably because the game has no waifu, but it looks like waifugays simply don't care about the game
Square Enix run the marketing, they stick a bunch of waifus and other shit in the trailer to make waifugays want to buy the game, but turns out there are no good waifus when you're 10 hours into a game and about 25% in
I struggle to play more, game has no challenge nor any deep message, theres no waifus either to really motivate to play the boring dungeons like in Persona
In the 13 year timeskip. >surprised
He is in shock for awhile cause he has been an imperial slave/assassin and it would be pretty surprising if your best from from high school showed up randomly as a target
>You're all just jealous and mad Jill's game is actually a good one, unlike all other FFs
I'm mad cuz Jill is a non character even though we spend 90% of the game with her
>XV: main hoe is a boring stoic non character with 5 minutes of screentime >XVI: main hoe is a boring non character with 30+ hours of screentime
Which is worse Ganker?
Jill and Clive's relationship still comes across as sweet with how they are completely dedicated to supporting each other. It's still better than Luna and Noctis's nothing.
Jill and Clive, funnily, are still one of the most openly affectionate FF couples as well with all the handholding, on-screen kisses and them having sex on-screen.
Nah, it's not "good" it's just "okay".
It has the same flaws as FFXIV, the same limitations too with better graphics.
The battle system is DMClite, and the characters (outside of fricking Cid) are bland and boring.
The first two hours were the best damn part of the game.
If I'm jealous of anyone it's the people enjoying the game, because I'm sure not. I'm here complaining about it instead of playing it because I find it boring as frick.
If the game was turn based, new party members would have been controllable as you control the full party and their actions.
They would have had their own, unique character growth paths with unique abilities and attributes that had them stand out.
There would be real synergy and tons of different applicable strategies depending on how you combine and match the abilities and attributes of different characters.
But no. Instead you just control Clive. And party members just frick about doing their own thing. The best you get are some commands on a cooldown like with Torgal.
Why do people like this?
>doesn't help with titan >doesn't help with Garuda (cause knocked out for weeks lol) >doesn't help with bahamut (wtf!!) >doesn't help with Ultima at all >helps a lil against Odin but not much >helps against... LIVING FLAME lol
Probably more I'm missing. Why did they make her an Eikon again? Don't care about the excuse that she's sick when Joshua and Dion go way harder and have urgency.
IIRC Yoshida said there was an Eikon that was close to being cut but it was too far into development. People speculated in the leak threads that it was Garuda, but playing the game its clearly Shiva. If you took Shiva out, you could still have that whole intro with Titan/Dhalmeks work. Anytime Jill is there with Clive, I just know she will be standing around doing nothing because they can't have both of them prime and fight something
>If you took Shiva out, you could still have that whole intro with Titan/Dhalmeks work.
Not really, you'd have the rewrite the entire sequence because Clive is there specifically under orders to assassinate the iron kingdom's dominant. In addition to Kupka no longer needing to transform to fight her off.
>Not really, you'd have the rewrite the entire sequence because Clive is there specifically under orders to assassinate the iron kingdom's dominant.
Then since Shiva was originally supposed to be cut, you find out the dominant is already dead, they killed themselves, game continues as normal.
>BRO WHY DOESN'T SHE TRANSFORM INTO SHIVA TO HELP
Isn't the reason she never helps because she is fricked up or something? Because when she can help she does
Yes. Iron Kingdom made her prime lots during her years with them which made her already weakened from the get-go, and she had to prime an unknown number of times during the 5 year timeskip because Clive wasn't able to. Jill can barely handle the aftereffects of transforming into Shiva looking at the post molten flame fight.
>Jill hates the shit she did being Shiva, wants to atone for it >BRO WHY DOESN'T SHE TRANSFORM INTO SHIVA TO HELP?
Maybe because she has an entire arc and backstory about how she was forced to use her Dominant power to slaughter countless people? How she has a whole arc with internal turmoil that she views herself as a monster and detests her own power.
Nah, that couldn't have been it. Shit character, shit writing, shit game.
>Nah, that couldn't have been it. Shit character, shit writing, shit game.
Isn't the entire point of her "arc" that by killing the priest homie she can "finally stand next to Clive with her head held up high" so she shouldn't have a problem using her powers after that?
Except she can now prime to HELP people, but her failing to do so just makes it seem like she is too much of an afterthought. Honestly I am more annoyed how Fenrir/Torgal was handled honestly. He should transform when we do Limit Breaks.
Except she can now prime to HELP people, but her failing to do so just makes it seem like she is too much of an afterthought. Honestly I am more annoyed how Fenrir/Torgal was handled honestly. He should transform when we do Limit Breaks.
There's nothing preventing Cid from priming either but he barely does it because it fricks him up something fierce. Jill has the same issues in addition to not wanting to prime unless she absolutely has to.
Cid is also their elder probably by 20 years on the time of his death. Being a Lord Commander he definitely saw his fair share of battles, and it makes you wonder how he and Odin didn't conquer Storm earlier. What the frick was on Ash to make it take so long?
>There's nothing preventing Cid from priming either but he barely does it because it fricks him up something fierce
Cid is with one foot in the grave, which was established from the get-go and she is a more important character then him and yet they did nothing with her. If they don't want her to be a damsel in distress that's one thing but if they don't make her a part of the action then it really gets glaring obvious that they had no idea how to incorporate her at all in the story
Yeah, the game needed Jill's side, also to complete the GoT comparison
I wonder if they will make a story of Jill trying to save Clive and add the Leviathan boss
Whoever argued that SE could? Every female protag in the history of all of SE games have been maidens in distress but they have some lame unique, useless power that's so important to the plot.
People always shit on the prior game to prop up the new one. When XVII comes out the came people defending XVI now will shit on it to make the new game look better.
I don't think people are actually capable of understanding the difference between good characters and likeable characters, so they just group them all together under "I don't like this character therefore they're bad"
Happens all the time. You had positive lightning and ff15 threads and even people are praising ff7r now, but when ff7r released all threads were about how much it bombed, how censored Tifa was and how its pozzed.
SE should just ignored online feedback, since people obviously just want to doompost
>all threads were about how much it bombed, how censored Tifa was and how its pozzed
To be fair, everything you listed is just organized shitposting and can be completely ignored. I do the same for every game as engaging with stuff like that is pointless.
There were still some threads around FF7R's release which were primarily positive. I think most were just arguing how dumb the time ghosts were which is the fairest criticism I feel.
/v/intendo pattern consists in killing threads. Notice the street fighter 6 spam calling it a troony game, the spam stopped just with FF16 release and they are already starting to shazampost Starfield
Just wait for them to be distracted shitposting another game
Well, Tifa was evidently censored and SE going pozzed is nothing new or did you miss all those screenshots and SE's own announcement of their Ethic department and all those rah rah about modernisation for wider audience?
>but when ff7r released all threads were about how much it bombed, how censored Tifa was and how its pozzed.
I mean you can only complain about things for so long before you get tired and move on. Not everyone is an autist like Barry that obsesses over a singular thing for literal years.
Yes. Years ago talking about Yuna you only got posts calling her useless and annoying
Tales of threads get ednaposted, atelier threads get cadoposted, Octopath threads were ruined by some SaGa larper, mods sometimes close Trails threads or you get called shill or something
Unironically i'm starting to believe a mod is a huge xenogay
>established that using magic is dangerous and will lead to petrification if done willy-nilly >enemies are such damage sponges that Clive has to dump huge magical combos into every trash mob fight
There is also them forcing you to watch a cutscene of Barnabas showing superiority in combat because otherwise during actual gameplay the player would style on him hard.
I'm fine with it. There's no real way to win that as JRPGs have struggled with it since time immemorial >have a fight where the boss completely jobs you with some 9999 move right off the bat >beat the bosses ass so hard yet once the battle is over they just play a cutscene where you lose >give a fight that's actually moderately difficult but can still win, and still end with a cutscene where you lose
I've always hated stuff like this so just throwing in a cutscene where he's stronger than you is fine imo
Or have a fight that seems unbeatable but with enough skill you can beat the boss and then you'll just get a different cutscene but the plot progression doesn't change.
One game did that great and it was made by a Japanese autist working on it for 14 years.
they just need to cut this shit out, if they want you to lose a fight then don't let us actually fight. i appreciate wanting to use gameplay to incorporate that story moment of "woah he's stronger than you" but more often than not this fails and undercuts the entire point. the exception would be something where the boss is actually mathematically unbeatable, but that's got its own problem where people might burn through consumable items to try. less of an issue in a game like ff16 where you can't hold that many items anyway i guess
She was already dying and even after he stabbed her she tried TO HEAL ARDYN and mad a jab towards him by saying the rightful king will take the throne which pissed off ardyn
That's long before its even revealed ardyn was lucis caelum so luna knew ardyns whole deal and even after being stabbed by him she tried to heal HIM
She knew her life was nearly over because of the rites taking its toll on her
also ardyn didn't kill her
the tidal wave killed her, she drowned while using her last power to protect noctis who was unconscious so he doesn't drown
>I'm forced to kill >For some reason, that makes me super guilty >How dare I have such noble reason to kill others? >I can't face myself and stand beside you unless I kill this other person
Her motive is weak as frick.
Why not just change it to rape?
Instead of sacrificing bearers, the high priest is abusing his power to frick women, and call it a "cleansing".
Jill, being raped left & right, just felt too dirty, and needs to kill the rapist off so she can face Clive again without remembering all the nights she's raped.
Wouldn't this be a better writing since they wanted to make the story "dark" and "mature"?
If they did that the metacritic score would be in 70s KEK
>Softie was forced to kill for 13 years and she feels like shit over it
vs >Edgy rape thing that will make it into a giant shitpost and ruin all discussion about her. See Sakura in Fate
I'm normally a puritygay but her getting raped would have been better, not like Clive would have been pure being a slave soldier for 13 years either.
Alright, alright. I get the message.
No rape then.
How about making her a coward?
Instead of her being forced to kill because the barbarians are threatening to kill little girls,
make it so that she's offering to kill so she can have a warm bed, better food and generally better treatment than other bearers, also she ignored the whole sacrifice thing, and don't dare to question it.
That would make her to have a stronger motive to face her own cowardice past and set things right by killing the high priest, destroying the mother crystal and ending the suffering for the bearers.
Personally I still think clive should have gone the edgy Eren way by trying to liberate the world.
Jill could have been the voice of reason stopping him form going to far at the end of the game.
yeah and that basically was the trailer in this post:
into Eren >>When he apologizes that often
Yeah i know... They didn't go that way, it's pretty sad.
This trailer made me hope so hard : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8g1My6XlD4
implied.
Too bad they did go with this because that much better than the Ultima plot point.
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Anonymous
It's kind of baffling how little consideration is given to what they're doing by destroying the crystals, and we didn't see nearly enough of the consequences.
11 months ago
Anonymous
They already summed it up though, they know they are making lives harder for people but for the betterment of future generations.
11 months ago
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>We know that its going to be harder for everyone especially bearers because their powers will be in even greater demand but its ultimately for the greater good because the alternative is that everyone dies
11 months ago
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Sure, they say that once and then that's it. I expected more conflict around the issue considering they're displacing entire populations.
>Softie was forced to kill for 13 years and she feels like shit over it
vs >Edgy rape thing that will make it into a giant shitpost and ruin all discussion about her. See Sakura in Fate
>why not change it to the most cliche tragic female backstory
Lack of self awareness is incredible. Always calling out shit writing but then coming up with even worse shit
>coming up with even worse shit
nope.
The original "I'm the worst because I'm forced to kill others" is a far worse writing.
You are obviously moronic or you're Barry if you actually defend that shit.
Rape is baby's first edgy backstory. People always mock it for a good reason because its overwrought.
Personally I still think clive should have gone the edgy Eren way by trying to liberate the world.
Jill could have been the voice of reason stopping him form going to far at the end of the game.
>Clive >Turning into Eren >When he apologizes that often
Never
>its overwrought
It's overwrought because it's effective, you mongoloid.
Just like how cliche in movies are so overused because they are effective.
Moron
into Eren >>When he apologizes that often
Yeah i know... They didn't go that way, it's pretty sad.
This trailer made me hope so hard : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8g1My6XlD4
Dion should have gone back to cute adopted daughter instead of joining a suicide mission for no reason. What the frick was the point of that? The Bahamut thing wasn't his fault and nobody was even mad at him, he had nothing to prove.
It would have been more satisfying to see him take some responsibility in cleaning up the mess he made by actually leading his people, instead of dying pointlessly and leaving everyone who loves him in a crisis.
Does anyone else think that the game showing Joshua is alive kinda robs the “accept the truth” moment of its impact? We literally see him wandering around and we are making Clive accept a lie.
Or have said revenge/absolution story and the love interest dies as a consequence of it. Of course we'd probably want a few more females still to keep the game from being a sausagefest, which it kinda is already.
>think this guy is gonna be an epic mysterious wildcard dark horse character with some ulterior motives during the entire lead up to the game and even the first ~1/2 of the story >turns out to be a mindless puppet that just regurgitates quotes from the actual villain for a few hours before dying
Disappointing beyond words. FFXVI really faceplanted for me because its two supposed greatest strengths, story and combat, were no strengths at all. The combat is DMC done worse and the story is a total letdown.
What a cruel turn of events that I have a better (but probably still low) chance of getting my FF fix from the multiverse time-travel horseshit that VII:R2 will undoubtedly end up being.
He regurgitates Ultima shit from way earlier than his arc. Barny is definitely the biggest frick up though, I can deal with Ultima god stuff because that is what FF tends to end at and usually fail at. Yu Yevon, Necron, Jenova etc all non characters. Barnabas could have been more than a mommy complex character though
Reminds me of Luna and how we're told she's going through her own journey and she's strong and awesome for it when it happens entirely off-screen.
Show don't tell.
How did the guy who wrote heavensward fail so hard with the characters of FFXVI?
I'm not even talking about the plot, just the characters are way more likable in heavensward .
Was heavensward just pure luck because this feel like ARR all over again.
Heavensward was before fujos took over.
>mogs anyone in 14 or 16 or kh or sop >big booba >sexy and flirtatious >strong party ally >her role doesn't revolve around a man, she just does what she feels like >the only dragoon to never job
How did the guy who wrote heavensward fail so hard with the characters of FFXVI?
I'm not even talking about the plot, just the characters are way more likable in heavensward .
Was heavensward just pure luck because this feel like ARR all over again.
Not really, Nidhogg , estinien, haurchefant and his father are all new characters.
And there is also alphinaud with a good character arc making him go from an insufferable moron to a likable guy.
All in all I just feel like FFXVI is a big step backward in terms of writing.
Once again, the vast majority of HW is carried on ARR setting up the backdrop for you, so all it had to do was just execute what was already there. 16 didn't have that luxury, it had to attempt to do ARR and HW together in one story.
>estinien >haurchefant >new characters
????? >And there is also alphinaud with a good character arc making him go from an insufferable moron to a likable guy.
with the foundation arr put up as a backdrop, like the guy said.
you could still be right about 16 tho
>Yuna
Yuna had a reason to be boring
She lived in isolation and worshipped a religion who she thought could do no wrong and was going to follow her faith til the end like all the summoners before her, Tidus came in and shook her faith, causing her to even start doubting everything she believed in, which was a fricking lie.
She had nothing to follow.
And that's within the first half of the game.
Wtf do we know about Jill except the fact that she's a childhood friend with a dog, is Shiva, and was used to prime constantly? Nothing.
>Oh no, she's being kicked and thrown around and that's it.
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>Could have fooled me >Starts with you saving her from her captors
Woah
11 months ago
Anonymous
Once again.
What else is there about her after that?
Nothing. She's one dimensional.
People call YUNA boring as frick, but she has more character in her game than Jill.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Jill is essentially another Rosa/Tifa/Luna. At least Yuna does stuff.
11 months ago
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>At least Yuna does stuff.
It was this scene that cemented Yuna as my favorite FF female protagonist.
When she realized that she didn't need to follow religion nor what they preached and to actually live her own life and make decisions for herself, after all that time she spent questioning Yevon and herself.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah as much as people may rag on Yuna for being 'boring' I can appreciate that she has her own motives and character arc totally separate from Tidus, so she isn't reliant on him to function as a character.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yuna is only boring if you play in eng, she has lots of attitude in JP
Why is there so few interactions between Jill & Clive?
One of the classic FF experience is how team members react to a certain thing, and trading dialogues between each others.
They built a great dynamic between Cid & Clive, but why can't they do the same for Clive & Jill?
I have this nagging feeling that they deliberately cut some important story shit and characterizations only to sell them as DLCs later on and I hate it.
So what, theres one for Jill? One for Barbanabas? Cause Im in Drake's Breath and all the characterizations have been for npcs, which is fine but it puts some of the Dominants to shame in that regard
They put more effort in the npcs than with most of the Dominants, guess they thought being a kaiju was enough character development. Im still enjoying my time with it a lot, and story is fine, but writing could've been better, definitely
Its fine for Garuda and Titan to be lackluster IMO, Garuda is early boss energy and they got Titan to be a roidrage cuck. Jill and Barny though feel a bit wasted, and I hope Cid gets DLC. >hey I tried infiltrating the Empire before but bahamut chased me out
Easy DLC tier section.
She just looks bad despite being the main love interest/companion. Hell even NPCs like Tarja and Clive's mother mogs her. Her being boring and useless is the icing on the shitcake.
Give me at least an anime/manga that develops every single dominant that isn't Clive and Im good. I like the setting and you already showed me the npcs which is cool, but Dominants have potential as characters, so just do something with them
FFXVI is great but has some of the worst pacing I've ever experienced in a game. The exact same story could be told in this game so much more efficiently but they just chose not to. It's very strange.
I think it would be mentally exhausting if this was 12 hours long and you had a 15 minute break between every Eikon sequence. Like Titan into Bahamut actually needs a fricking breather period of dull shit. If Odin showed up for another 40 minute fight after Bahamut the game would need to have characters T-posing and talking for the story to even advance at that point.
The pacing could be better but not cut down that drastically. >mid's 3 parter fetch quest goes down to 1 >the "oh no my pass is missing" thing is like cut in fricking half
Pacing is now better but you still have some breathing room and you setup shit around the area.
Counterpoint:
Hrist Valkyrie.
>does nothing
>is still the best female ff character
Celes?
Rydia?
Freya?
Everybody knows Final Fantasy started with XIII
>Mentioning Celes and Rydia as best
good man
>freya
>fails to save her kingdom
>fails to find her love (has to rely on an infant child to find him)
>fails to be remembered by love (she was actually just some orbiter he never even knew)
>story ends less than halfway through the game
freya is among the worst characters
she pretty much accomplishes nothing
moronbro, Jill is unironically penelo tier.
Shut up, at least Pennelo was cute
At least XII never pretended Penelo was important. Jill is a Dominant, that's what makes her being useless and irrelevant stand out.
Early game Jill is better than Penelo by a mile. Late game Jill is probably on par with Penelo though unfortunately.
Penelo got the group in with Larsa, she at least did something.
actually insane how Lulu has a fraction of the game time and 10 times the presence
Gotta love this asexual design where artists are hell bent on covering up every millimeters of a woman's skin. And to think this is the company that used to give us based girl designs in ff7-14.
She only need a better skirt or pants, see Catalina from granblue, you can make a covered design and make it look cool
Catalina was boring as frick and nobody would have paid her any attention if they hadn't paired her up with lesbo stalker dynamics with Vira.
Imagine being this much of a braindead, mentally-ill coomer that a character just wearing clothes angers you and is some kind of conspiracy. And don't even try to start with the "muh high T" shit because we know you've never touched a female in your life nor can be considered a male.
She's less of a character than any xv female with 5 minutes of screentime
So just like women irl
Kinda hilarious that westerners go ape shit because the female characters aren't buttfricking the enemy characters with their large clitwieners like they do in western video games. Such an interesting cultural shock.
Those are both bad characters. Xenoblade is just cheap weebshit.
They're both shit.
cumskulls are not sentient
This is a shitty statement considering FF16 has nothing like Pyra. I don't think even women in Victorian era which was prude as frick would wear as frick covering clothes as FF16 girls.
Jill would be better if she was just hotter as well lmao. Multiple women in the game mog her.
>western female characters
>ugly as sin
>get graphic sex scenes
>japanese female characters
>hot as frick
>entire game is "will they wont they" with their obvious love interest
>at best get implied offscreen sex at the end of the game, more likely a hug in the last frame of the epilogue
WHYYYYY
>proof that Squeenix can't write female character
And thats a good thing, males have to be the heroes you fricking trannoid
Men can write women perfectly fine.
me no understand amigo, what is your point with that pic
>Liking women is trannoid
this is your mind on 4chin
She is there for you when you need her. That is what a good woman does.
This. Powerful women aren't realistic. I don't see any females in Wagner.
lunafreya is unironically better
>proof that Squeenix can't write female character
My rebuttal:
Came here to post Shoka. She was great.
Shoka was a really pleasant surprise.
I really like the amount of agency she gets as her own character, too many JRPG love interests are just 'the love interest' and leave being interesting to the rest of the cast. She can be condescending, prideful, a tease, and b***hy at times but it makes sense when you consider her background and she has her good qualities to balance it out. The fact that she actually suffers from a suicidal ideation yet the game never explicitly tells you this is a really interesting aspect of her character.
Shoka also had a lot of small character moments that endeared you to her, something Jill is lacking in comparison.
Shoka is THE vidya girl of 2021
I dunno how anyone is surprised by this. Every shot of her prior to the game just about showed her as either emotionless or with the same facial expressions as Tifa, not sure what it's called but that slight smile that tells you her primary purpose is to be the MC's waifu. In fact given the rest of the game and how she actually fits into it by seeming like an afterthought it feels like she's a token, in this case token waifu because someone said that the game couldn't JUST be for fujos.
Your rebuttal is kinda ugly though.
That's because your neurons activate every time she does a victory pose. Also big tiddy goth chicks stand out by default due to how rare they are.
Your response is ugly
She killed herself, didn't she?
I find it hilarious that Jote has basically the same personality, but is somehow superior despite having way less screen time
Jote is more outgoing than Jill though, the problem is you see way less of Jote than Jill so it seems like she stands out much harder. Jill has some decent moments but it also feels like they either couldn't write the story with her going on Eikon fights with you as Shiva so they sidelined her, or didn't want to write side quests for her being there or not being there
I honestly don't think we get enough of either of their personalities to understand them, other than them being loyal and devoted to their respective man. That's way more damning for Jill since she's around for so long.
It's not just that... Jill feels like she got added in late in development or something (when that isn't the case). Look at the intro section when Cid is with you, him and Clive have tons of banter; he has his own moment to shine multiple times.
Then... compare that to Jill in the whole Martha arc. She feels non-existant outside of that one scene where she's built up to be Clive's love interest.
Hell, Cid feels like he talks more with Clive in that section just through that one moment right after the stone bearers, compared to Jill. Then he says goodbye to Clive and Jill, and Jill's like "You take care too".
In fact that might be the FIRST interaction Jill has with someone not named Clive or Torgal
I could see her being Shiva being added later into development, which means her screentime has to be limited because otherwise she and Clive could prime against any threat. Its just odd because in 7R they added a ton more stuff for Tifa compared to OG7.
Clive can't prime at will though, only when the plot needs him to. He mentions that during the 5 year time skip Jill had to prime multiple times because he couldn't. Would have been nice to, I don't know, see that but this game never shows anything,
During the entire Bahamut fight, Jill was just chilling offscreen in the same room as Anabella and her son; did they talk at all?
shiva was so prominent in all the marketing nad is barely in the game. bigest bait and switch ever. also jill is such a shit cardboard cut out character
Same with Benedikta. They did her dirty bros
Square has had plenty of decent female FF characters. Jill is just boring.
>safe armor
>*does nothing*
So just like Tifa
Did you even play OG FF7? She helps Cloud piece together the fragments of his shattered mind so that he can actually get his shit together and save the day.
and that happens after like 30 hours. Tifa doesn't really do much before that, even when she is the "primary" character while Cloud is mentally ill
>that happens after like 30 hours
doesn't matter how long or late it is. It happens during climax of the game, from whirlwind maze to mideel is action/emotion packed.
What does Jill do other than giving Clive her power?
give Clive her virginity?
>women are for sexo
woaa, amazing character development
Yes.
>taking 30 hours to reach mideel
how moronic are you?
>Did you even play OG FF7
Yes. She does nothing the entire game. She does nothing in the dreamstream and her major concern was her own memories
Yeah but Tifa is hot and is hero bait for the main character, she has a lot of interaction with all the other characters around her so there is always something to look forward to, Jill is just stoic for the entire game and has minimal interaction with other characters if at all, even when she sees Joshua again there is almost no interaction between them, it's like she was written in all these scenes as an afterthought which I really can't imagine being the case, so what the frick went wrong in productions?
I guess you could describe it as 7R being a bit more anime than 16, despite the DBZ fights. They have all characters him in nonstop, simple dialog becomes like 4 way discussion back and forth. There is a mod to deliberately remove the anime grunts which honestly I don't think I've noticed a single time in FF16. Maybe its cause it was ENG->JPN instead of the other way around?
They could have kept her stoic but it would have been much more interesting to see her dynamic with the rest of the cast give her a special moment with Joshua when they meet again, where we see a sisterly side of her, or have her being annoyed with maybe some other b***h in the hub, like basic stuff that helps to show us different sides of her personality, even if you think her interaction with Clive is perfect the way it is there was much more they could have done with her
>or have her being annoyed with maybe some other b***h in the hub
Oh hell no. Frick this shit.
What the frick are you talking about. There is ALOT OF Clive and Jill scenes and clear buildup of relationship.
Tifa in comparison, in the original VII is very bare bones with the exception of 2-3 scenes.
It's so easy to notice people who never actually touched 16.
What? Jill fighting Clives mom was great
>Jill fighting Clives mom was great
What in that scene was unique to Jill? It had so little to do with her she could have been switched out with Torgal and nothing would change. The b***h Queen literally mentions how she should be grateful to her for raising her and providing a home for her which would've been the PERFECT moment for Jill to acknowledge that but also mention how much it got to her to see how she treated Clive, that moment was literally set up in the demo where Jill looks sadly at Clive after his mum shit on him and yet when it came to it they did fricking nothing with it.
Jill is wasted potential, the character.
Jill might be worse than Luna
where the frick are her breasts?
she is 13 in that pic
>Joshua and Clive become one before Jill and Clive
Clive loves his little bro most of all
Joshua became one with Jote years before he did it with Clive
her only reason to exist
yes
I don’t care. Clive’s uncle is the funniest FF character ever and I was rolling at some of some of the shit he does and says.
>that entire inn scene
Jill really needed some of Uncle Byron the Based's charisma
I was laughing so fricking hard, what a chad he is.
The desert part is the best in the game just for him being a party member and acting like a huge goof.
the only personality I ever saw from her was she got real fricking mad at the brothel madame when she flirted with Clive
>this non-canon billboard ad gave Jill more meaningful action than the game itself
>ad with cute anime girls that look like they are waving at people or interacting with our world
Neat.
>ad with final fantasy random flashy effects
Boring.
so does Clive drop his Jon Snow/Eren Yeager shit and grow a personality or am I going to have to deal with this dude's grumpiness the whole game?
Best ff girl coming through.
>game's homosexual ass fanbase cares more about literal who Haurchefant but not Ysayle
I agree Ysayle deserves more love but Haurcefaunt DID save you and was your bro for a while.
I do wonder how popular he'd be if some of his ARR weirdness wasn't changed/removed in translation
Way more popular, he'd have constant fan art like grahasimps have after SHB.
that looks like a dude, homie
>Squeenix can't write female character
Not so fast bucko
Short girl with a big chest as a protagonist would have never happened if this wasn't a sequel utilizing an existing character.
So you're saying Serah is hot, or..?
I was saying she is hot, yes.
I love how they emphasised the stretch on the fabric..
Square Enix big gay
>They didn't kill off that homosexual Snow and made them hook up
What were they thinking...
>Serah and Noel.png
why'd they do snow so dirty
He was supposed to rebound with the older sister
they had better chemistry than he had with that other onahole
My boy Noctis just cant keep a waifu alive.
snowbros?
she's so fricking boring, I just finished the Drake's Breath segment so I assume that's the last time her character is going to get any focus. She kept talking about "muh revenge" but I just never really cared because 1) we never fricking see any of the shit that happened to her besides the opening, 2) it's so similar to Clive's story that it just feels redundant from a narrative stand point.
>>*does nothing*
And this disgusting ogre does a lot, because she is a butt ugly brown person, right?
Sister, the FFXVI troon you asked
Not a troon, you mind broken ruhtaard.
troony malding
Tellin on yourself? Your headcanon isn’t the canon.
whoa sister easy on the hrt
take your med
Take you hormone blockers and dilate.
why do they always have those god awful bios
>secretly a deer
Because they are insane.
>some lunatic incel hunted through social media until he found that troony
>his faceblindness (autism symptom) made him force a conspiracy theory that he's the model for the fable trailer custom MC
it's the Sam Maggs Spiderman insanity all over again. you people are mentally ill lunatics, probably surrounded with dozens of piss bottles and smell worse than a decomposed corpse. behold how 5 seconds of google searching upends the output of your schizophrenia
You totally missed the point, moron. The one posted by that anon is the CHARACTER DESIGNER not the actress
She's a woman, anon. If she looks good, she has done her part.
Jill's inclusion felt like square just wanted to fill the "at least 1 female party member" quota.
She's such a painfully boring and inoffensive character. Every single major character aside from cid and joshua was complete dogshit with disappointing payoffs.
I liked Clive, Gav, Cid and Joshua. I agree though that Jill is kind of ass. She's alright pre timeskip, but after drake's breath she is just kind of there.
Anon I like gav and some other npcs too. But they are not major characters. I was so disappointed on how they handled the dominants. None of them were developed past their whole role to make clive the central focus of the game.
Dion isn't too bad, could be better.
Hugo is a bit of a meme due to the cucking stuff and the fact he went to war over a woman who was fricking other men anyway, but he was ok.
Barnabas is a huge waste of time though and the biggest disappointment.
Benedikta was disappointing.
I would say Gav counts as a major character though. He gets a lot of screentime, and his sidequest is pretty solid. He's even present in the ending cutscene. He's at least as major as a side character can get.
you would think Barnabas would be the main threat for most of the game but apparently not
I hate how Barnabas is built up as the most powerful man in the world for the entire game, then he just shows up, beats up Clive, tells Clive that he won't kill him and just needs him to be presentable for Ultima and fricks off a few times. Then he dies because turns out he just gave up and became ultima's slave years ago because he's pathetic.
I don't know how you frick up a character like Barnabas, its bizarre. I just could not stand another word about humans being shit out of him. Harbard was even worse and his stupid fricking accent pissed me off
>muh nihilism
I truly wish we get a FF villain on par with Vayne
Hugo was nowhere near "ok". He's just as bad. It felt like the writer was trying to do a multi-faceted character, one who is ruthless, clever and cunning, but also obsessively in love with a woman. it's actually hilarious that the only scene showing Hugo and Benedikta's relationship is that first motorboating scene and yet we're supposed to understand why Hugo cares so much about it. Would have helped a lot if his character showed that he knew Benedikta was playing him, but chose to pursue his love regardless. Hugo's whole conflict with Clive also falls flat because the story didn't explore his relationship with Benedikta in depth.
we know next to nothing about the enemy dominants. I don't even think we even learnt Barnabas' fricking backstory and he's supposed to be the secondary antagonist besides Ultima
The whole 1/3 of the plot towards the end felt like it was straight up ripped off of naruto shippuden's war arc. Madara is barnabas and ultima is kaguya, but in naruto we at least get some backstories on those two characters.
It's Attack on Titan + Xenosaga + Naruto
the GoT similarities really are superficial
Xenogears*
Kaguya literally doesn't get anything that isn't forced at the tail end, Ultima's name is brought up multiple times in the first half and the whole Clive Mythos thing even earlier
Naruto was a story that was made up as it went for 15 years, XVI being similar in story to that as a one-and-done release isn't exactly impressive.
Except Madara could and should have been the final boss. Kaguya doesn't need a reason to exist
>first third is a FF7 ripoff
>second third is a GoT ripoff
>last third is a Naruto ripoff
>The Narutoposter is back
He's got the most backstory out of any of the others. He came out of the desert, took a boat east and took over some warring tribes and conquered a weak kingdom. He was apparently a pious man, and more than a little gullible (he took Ultima as his god answering his prayers).
>He came out of the desert
I thought he came from the south (that we don't really know anything about)
He came from a continent south of the twins, sailed to Ash when he was a teenager or preteen, and proceeded to conquer the entire continent through warfare and the power of Odin shortly after he became a man (so 16 or 18 probably?). Presumeable said continent is completely destroyed since Ultima seemed pretty sure that Valisthea was almost dead and the twins are the only areas still alive and not completely blighted.
>All of the world except for the Twin Realms is destroyed and irrelevant
Fricking lame, for all the care that they put into worldbuilding the world feels so small
I really wish we'd at least get a short flashback of what Barny was like before he turned into a nutter
They refer to other places existing far away but there's no map of the globe and no one asks Ultima why he didn't try to pull off his plan where there weren't Dominants who could stop hom
To be fair they never explain how becoming a dominant works though. People think it's hereditary, but there are dominants with normal parents like Bahamut. Someone not even from Valisthea being a dominant is wild even compared to that
it would be better if Ultima actually were a god that wanted to turn the world into a utopia without free will. Instead we just get FFIX 2.0
Hm I really like that. I’m going to pretend that Hugo is so upset because he knew he was being played but wanted a chance to make her really fall in love with him, and now that chance is gone. Makes him more interesting.
Women don’t have agency in this setting so making me empowered women would be out of place
Clive was a fricking slave and that didn't stop him
Haven’t you heard ‘women are the Black folk of the world’ by John Lenon?
thank you for reminding me that Clive had to pose as Jill's slave and the game was so soulless it could've even deliver any shitpost-worthy material from it.
Somehow that was the one thing I read about from the leaker that ended up disappointing. If I only knew how much of a non-character Jill was then.
I think a master/slavery relationship is a bit too much to joke about, and in general they are pretty serious in most situations. For instance you can't see a point in the story to fill in a dance sequence where Aerith prostitutes Cloud out for a bit.
Why does it need to be a 'joke'? It was their cover and you could just have them act it out so people don't get suspicious.
She speaks for him a handful of times and they move on. There was nothing to really do with it besides her commanding him like a slave which would be another minus point off reviews
>another woman comes up to Jill and asks her how much she'd have to pay to buy Clive from her
>she gets pissed off and possessive
you could easily fit in some fun moments without fricking up the tone of the game, they did it with Cid, Gav and Byron
Still better than most characters shilled on Ganker
>phoneposter
>meet Cid
>he immediately starts dunking on Clive for being an edgelord
>meet Gav
>he and Clive immediately become best bros
>meet Uncle Byron
>Clive acts out his old chuuni phase to prove he's real
fricking hell what went so wrong with Jill
It really is sad. It comes off like she's only there because she's supposed to be.
Its really funny how child Jill has more humor and personality than adult Jill
So, did they get in a relationship during the timeskip, because I honestly can't tell if they are or they're stuck in that "more than friends not lovers yet" gray zone
>primary antagonist is just a deranged mommygay
So like in FF7?
>everyone expected barny to be your classic "might makes right" character, basically another armstrong
>cliche but as long as he puts on a good spectacle, fine
>instead he's actually a weird fusion of that, mommy issues, and some bizarre slavery kink
>want to be dommed
>born the strongest and have the strongest eikon
he was cursed
It's just Maehiro that can't write, holy shit why are the characters in this game so shallow. It's like they spent all their time world building but just said frick it when it came to the actual people living in it.
Outside of the villain cast, there's actually a decent amount of characterisation, the problem is they shoved almost all of it in sidequests, and at the tail end of sidequest chains that only finish when you unlock the final dungeons. Jill is the least developed member of the main cast by far since she stops being relevant like 40% into the game.
>Barnabas is a mommygay
>only shown for one scene and never mentioned again
I just know these c**ts are saving what mindbroke him into what he is now for an Episode Barnabas DLC
It's like they held off on including a lot of things, just in case they were going to make DLC
As much as I hate shitty dlc practices, if they're gonna dlc something in this game I'd rather it be the dominants. Every dominant that isn't Clive or Joshua could do with a hell of a lot more.
>get to scene with the sanbreque council, where a bunch of stupid old fricks mumble and argue over political bullshit and then get put in their place
>get to scene with the dhalmekian council which is the exact same shit
>joke about how these are the same old fricks as before but in different outfits
>finally get to third council scene in the free cities, and again its the same shit
>realize midway through that they really are the same old fricks as before
Funniest unintended joke of the game
Was anyone keeping a running tally of how much they borrowed from Game of Thrones
Stuff like the design of the interior of the brothel or the bad guy having glowing blue eyes and so on
I'm more confused about the Blight. I thought it was caused by magic overuse but Ultima acts like it's around and causes damage even if magic is gone.
Alien race created a bird. Bird got sad and decided to kill everyone with the blight.
Bravo yoshi p
It's funny because FFXIV actually has pretty interesting female roles
I mean shit even Maehiro's own Heavensward had fricking Ysayle
Yeah, Heavensward had me slightly optimistic but somehow the games writing shat the bed in the worst way possible.
>morons still don't understand the difference between writing and story
heavensward writing was terrible
I guess Ishikawa being around, even as a sub-writer, for HW really made a difference in the end
>FFXIV actually has pretty interesting female roles
Coomers really delude themselves thinking all the off-model fanart is in-game writing.
You'll have to play it before you make your opinions.
I probably play it more than you, XIV has no good female writing. Every time someone says they want more of a female character, they are a brain-addled coomer and nothing more.
>muh yotsuyu I could've saved her bros
>muh yugiri who was entirely useless since inception and only existed to sell a new race
>muh yshtola who still has no personality but fan favorite so everyone just wants gato sexo
>muh ryne and gaia who had the worse raid story and do literally nothing
>muh fordola who had some potential but was tossed aside and now the character simply exists despite not being necessary
>muh venat ooh mommy? mommy? sorry mommy? sorry mommy?
Every memorable character in XIV is a man. Thancred, Gaius, Ilberd, Hoary Boulder, Haurchefant, Estinien, Nidhogg, Ardbert, Zenos, Emet-Selch, Urianger, Vauthry, Fandaniel, etc.
You're right honestly, but at least it has loads of well-written guys. FF16 has almost nothing.
I'm amused you didn't mention the original Minfilia but she was so bad they went out of their way to kill her off
>because some people sexualise a character, I can immediately forget their characterization
No, he's not right. The fact he has to straight out lie is evidence of that.
>because some people sexualise a character, I can immediately forget their characterization
And he only posts the sexualized males as good examples.
Yes, even Niddhogg.
Venat has the best cutscene in the entire game and you only say "mommy mommy mommy"?
Let's just say you're being insanely disingenuous and leave it at that.
>Fordola doesn't count because her story arc is done
Wow, you've sure shown me. Imagine saying Yshola is useless when Thancred doesn't do shit till the end of ShB.
Fordola's arc never completed is the usage, they got halfway into it, forgot, then brought her back anyways to tell Alphinaud something he had already experienced and been through himself in HW because the current writer is terrible and did 5.5 MSQ so of course Alphinaud needs character regression.
Venat from 14 is better than 99% of females characters in JRPGs with only 6-7 hours of screentime.
Nobody faps to ysayle
>comes along with me and is cute
Sounds like Japan wins again
>get to 1st barnabus fight
>bits of his character theme leaking through the cutscenes, the dungeon music, etc
>buildup to the duel between clive and barney, let's go
>default boss music theme plays
What were they thinking. Literally what the frick. I thought this hack had 8CDs of music why is he reusing the same song over and over for your capstone bosses WHY
The music in XVI is all about specific scenes, so until you reach THOSE scenes, there's nothing special going on.
i know, but the scene in question is a plot central 1v1 between mc and rival in the sea, and STILL he uses the same music.
It was cruel of Yoshida to have him work on both 14 and 16 at the same time, should have just gotten a new composer
He has barely worked on XIV since SHB.
>Source: I made it up
It's true, a lot of SHB was the other composers working with him. Same for EW.
I am not sure why people are complaining that Jill is a cardboard. She has a lot of cutscenes like this where she shows emotion, usually in a subtle way like most adults do. There is also one mission that focuses on her past where her dialogue is awesome. Besides he has so much more screen time than Luna in FFXV which I'm happy. If anything my biggest problem with her though is that her overall design makes her look almost like a generic NPC. The men are gorgeous —- everything about them seems to have been meticulously designed. But Jill. OMG that play dough hair alone, poor thing. But hey as a gay man I can probably appreciate this game more
What I like about this game is that whenever Jill is not standing next to Clive, she quickly trots over to be standing next to Clive.
What I dislike about this game is that there is no option to pet Jill.
>FFXVI
>KH
>Stranger in Paradise
what recent Squaresoft game (if we ignore DQ and all the smaller games) DID have good female characters? i think this isn't even worng here. they actually seem to have a problem with that
Fang in 13. Has her own goals, is powerful in both the fighting sense and as a person, great design.
He said recent, anon. 13 was two whole console generations ago.
Fang was originally written to be a man, but her being a woman exuding that personality made her one of my favorite characters.
>what recent Squaresoft game
It's been over 20 years since there was one
Shadowbringers/Endwalker?
Is Octopath Traveler 2 squaresoft? That was 10 out of 10 in almost every regard.
Diofield chronicles had really bad story but frick, if I didn't love that witch who joins you.
>mogs anyone in 14 or 16 or kh or sop
>big booba
>sexy and flirtatious
>strong party ally
>her role doesn't revolve around a man, she just does what she feels like
>the only dragoon to never job
>is only relevant when all pretense of there being a decent plot has failed
>literally the last hurrah of a game that's gone completely and utterly off the rails.
sad
Why lie? she's first seen in chapter 3 intro where empire is giving orders to find and kill luna and they make ravus into high commader, even in that seen you can see she looks disinterested in what the empire wants
She's then a boss in chapter 6 at a niflheim base and she dips and says she doesn't work after hours which lets us know she's being payed to fight for the empire
then chapter 7 she joins as we go through a solheim era dungeon that niflheim uses to excavate mythril and she says how she's a merc and wants to leave to empire and how much she doesn't trust ardyn and how the emperor changed, planting seeds that ardyn was behind things with the empire
She drops us off back at Lestallum and says she'll see us again
and later joins party randomly when fighting at night in
then later is in chapter 12 in tenebrae after shit went down and she reveals she's left the empire and in search and rescue business now and gives more insight into how fricked the empire is while also getting her subordinates biggs and wedge to help you
subsequently is also in ep prompto which chronologically is after the events of chapter 12 where she's infiltrated the snowy area niflheim base to take out some new magitek stuff and happens upon prompto, she makes him help her and then she helps him deal with his trauma and insecurities and they fight their way through the other bases and take down the new magitek that was also verstael who transferred his soul into it
And then she sees prompto off
in timeskip she has her own army as do biggs and wedge and she's off taking out daemons around eos
nobody cares bazzy
cope xvi cultist she's better written than any ff16 character
the sheer delusion
of xvi cultists
>is only relevant
being the key phrase there.
she does more than jill
hell luna is more story relevant than jill
Why did 15 have more attractive women than 16 despite also being a sausage fest
A black dot stands out the most on a piece of white paper.
Jill and Benedikta are way hotter and you also get to see them naked
Jill and Benedikta are about the same tier as Luna, which means they get brutally mogged by Aranea.
better designer
They are ugly
FFVI is the best game in the series and the MCs are female
LOL
LMAO
I'm sorry, which female is the MC of FF6?
Be honest with me Ganker, would you?
>she isn't even hot
>*does nothing*
Like I give a shit. She's cute as frick childhood friend. That's enough.
You have really low standards
I wish they kept her personality the same as how she was in the flashback
Why does her face looks so weird?
because they used Amy Schumer as a facial reference especially for her older model
Imagine peaking at 12 years old.
Why do I keep seeing that she's barely in the game I had a mission where it was to take her or the doctor and I took the doctor because she was in the game plenty and was needing a rest story wise apparently do you homies actually play the game last bit I got to the trophy popped and it was at like 9 percent of players so I doubt most of u gays even played it.
>do sidequest to get Ambrosia back
>she's right there with me
>receive lovey dovey letter from her
>sorry for writing those silly letters, but for every day we spend together, we must suffer 2 days apart..... I heard you got Ambrosia back
On one hand, that's cute but unfortunately also weirs and inconsistent
So she's a realistically written female then ?
Clive is super emotional and tends to break down crying because he tries to be stoic and bottles it all up and Jill is there so he won't kill himself. They complement each other
>Clive is super emotional and tends to break down crying because he tries to be stoic and bottles it all up and Jill is there so he won't kill himself. They complement each other
that sounds awful
Clive is the average MMO player, moments from total collapse at any moment kek
Yeah she's the only reason he doesn't kill himself prior to confronting Infernal.
he didn't kill himself for 13 years even after all the crazy shit he went through, but the second he meets her again he wants to off himself?
I think the game is trying to tell you something...
I know you're joking but he didn't kill himself for 13 years because he was holding on to the whole revenge thing.
Unironically yes for a lot of guys. Ever since the divorce broke my buddy's soul he desperately jumps from relationship to relationship because he can't stand being alone
>Unironically yes for a lot of guys. Ever since the divorce broke my buddy's soul he desperately jumps from relationship to relationship because he can't stand being alone
Your buddy needs to get his fricking priorities straight, he's setting himself up for literally being "FOREVER ALONE"
>Clive is super emotional and tends to break down crying because he tries to be stoic and bottles it all up and Jill is there so he won't kill himself.
Are men so weak that they literally need pussy to keep them level headed?
Yes.
My issue with Jill is that she's not only boring, she immediately imposes herself on Clive and his internal struggles while doing nothing to actually help him at the same time, with the exception of nagging the man when he does something in his nature and not being polite.
Daily reminder that Celes had half her scenario cut from FF6 and is still considered a high point for Square's female characters.
What was the original scenario?
For one, she was a double agent. This storyline was revised with Cait Sith in the next game.
Secondly, she was going to suffer the bouts of madness as Kefka over time due to being artificially created in the same way.
Thirdly, the translations do NOT do her struggles justice, or her relationship with Locke.
>For one, she was a double agent. This storyline was revised with Cait Sith in the next game.
She really dodged a bullet here
Nah, would've been awesome. Really hammers home the confusion she feels when she's not allied with anyone and can't rely on anyone but Cid, who then potentially dies. Real tragedy kino.
The Cait Sith double agent stuff was pretty lame anyways in 7. Even ignoring the time jannies, I am pretty sure they wouldn't have him steal the keystone just based on the characterization they are going for.
>double agent
Good thing to cut out. That shit is gay as frick.
The scene where they first meet Clive's uncle and Clive starts acting to convince him of his identity and Jill just looked at him like he was crazy made me feel like they don't really know much about each other
Loved that bit that's some shit only japs would do their was a bit when I was playing couple of hours ago when the lore guy went the dog is fine he has a ferocious appetite he was all in my nuts earlier on and I sadly laughed just did not expect it.the game is actually more funny that I keep seeing I know I'm a moron but apparently I'm the only one laughing at this game
>Writes planet cancer into story, never writes a solution and is left hanging.
>Adds himself as a tragic character with a tomboy girlfriend, doesn't write himself fricking her
>Grounds the story, but then adds insane elements like space battles and aliens
>Introduces cast of villains and turns them into prostitutes, cucks and motherlusting alienfrickers for no reason
>writes his own mommy issues into the book as villain and unceremoniously kills them
Was Joshua just an incredibly shitty writer and nobody cares because it's just a fairy tale
children's novel? Is Joshua the JK Rowling of his world?
Don't you feel ashamed you keep posting the same copy pasted shit over and over?
My friend, you're fricking posting on Ganker, the worst board next to /misc/. What the frick are you talking about?
>Was Joshua just an incredibly shitty writer and nobody cares because it's just a fairy tale
>children's novel? Is Joshua the JK Rowling of his world?
He's the worst fanfic writer ever, that's for sure. FFXVI is his "My Immortal"
Its a specific asian woman archetype. Supportive, doesnt speak much unless smth has to be said, introverted, overthinks, etc.
It sure as frick isnt game of thrones and sits at odds with the GoT prostitutes in the game that frick their way up the political ladder. But im glad jill is in the game and i like her as a character. Not every character needs to do controversial shit. She is clives emotional support and they are inseperable. I think it was well carried out.
>does nothing
sounds like a well written female character to me
>Medievel scenario
>Jill is supposed to be a noblewoman
>gets ignored by everyone
Looks like YoshiP didn't do his homework regarding medieval societies and their customs
>noblewoman from a house that got taken by the light
>a ward/princess who then loses her second home to the invasion
She is as much a noble as Clive is, and no one treats Clive like one.
>She is as much a noble as Clive is, and no one treats Clive like one.
Plenty of people do once they realize his identity. Murdoch's wife and the mayor of that village. His uncle, Wade and a bunch of other people want to him to take back Rosaria. You have to remember most people just thought him to be some random bearer.
lmao yes they do moron
Yeah, people from fricking Rosalith. How the frick is some random people in the Empire supposed to know she is a noblewoman? Or Clive a prince? We've already been through this, Jill is an afterthought but especially when it comes to side quest/NPC interactions. They seemingly made them all for Clive alone, and don't take into account his companion.
Because they can all be done when Jill isn't in the party and they were too lazy to write multiple scripts depending on the party.
homie just make a different dialog option OR since it really doesn't fricking matter who you have in your party just make her a mandatory cast member and make the dialog accordingly
They didn't make her a mandatory cast member because they clearly don't know how to write her into a world with this type of power struggle
The good guys have Phoenix, Ifrit, Shiva and Ramuh all alive at one point. It takes Joshua being mysterious, Cid being used up and dying, and Jill being useless for the story to really work.
>but uhhh look she like coughs and shit when priming
Even Dion who challenged Odin didn't seem to be that fricked but Jill stops lava for 5 minutes and is about to die.
MMO devs = MMO quality
what probably happened is that he just watched a couple of episodes of GoT, there is no real research done into anything, XVI isn't much different or more mature than your average FF, except if you consider someone screeching "FRICK FRICK SHIT" as deep
ill has got to me the most bland, nothing of a main character we’ve had since pre-FFIV. Seriously. In the early games at least the lesser party members were one note and had some shtick, but Jill is zero note. Like, if I was challenged to think of some adjectives to describe her as a character I don’t know if I could. Like…quiet? Solemn? She’s not even particularly depressed, she’s literally just there. It’s wild to me that after 20+ hours of gameplay she’s so bland. I know her backstory and her goal, but that alone doesn’t make a character…well, not a good character. It’s frustrating at this point. She’s not even an exposition machine, she’s just there to converse with Clive but when they talk they’re basically always in agreement so it’s not like she’s even needed there, he could just as well talk to Torgal or just have an inner monologue.
You just described tifa, rinoa, yuna and ashe. Its all the same character archetype
>You just described tifa, rinoa, yuna and ashe. Its all the same character archetype
yeah but they all are cute Jill doesn't even have the decency to be that
Jill is cute. Her face is literally just Tifa with white hair. Rinoa, Yuna all have Tifa's face too. It's the same fricking character archetype that FF JRPGs have dusted off for the past 30 years
>Rinoa has Tifa's face too
She does?
Yes.
Where the frick is that Rinoa from? NT? Why the hell would you use that for her and not the proper game? Everyone has sameface in that shit
>Why the hell would you use that for her and not the proper game?
You tell me
So you admit she has a different face? My point was never that she looked good.
ok
I wouldn't say Rinoa is quite the same - not that I particularly like her as a character but she's far more immature than the others and is clearly acting out by joining the Timber Owls due to daddy issues. She gets super upsets and the way Squall acts and responds pretty childishly compared to Tifa or Yuna who tend to get along well with the MC. She also gets some additional drama later on when she becomes a sorceress and has to deal with the potential repercussions.
I'd rather have a quiet, serious and tender stoic girl like Jill than the fricking obnoxious piece of shit like Rinoa
but at least you have something to get annoyed at Rinoa, something at least is happening, with Jill on the other hand there is...nothing. She just agrees with everything, and since you can't even control her in battle there is not one thing that helps you to connect to her character
There's plenty of character development between Jill and Clive. I'm sorry it's not obnoxious and moronic enough for you.
>There's plenty of character development between Jill and Clive
>Clive: We should fight this monster
>Jill:Yes.
Woah...
Thanks for confirming you never touched 16.
Go on then, elaborate. What character development happens between them?
Such as??
>There's plenty of character development between Jill and Clive
Jill:
>Clive remember when I prayed for you?
Clive:
>Prayers do nothing, my life is shit, I've done nothing but kill, I killed my brother and can't live with that fact, I killed Murdoch and can't even tell his wife the fricking truth!
Jill:
>Oh well, that's rough buddy, but I've tried not to kill myself too, though I don't look anymore ragged than I was as a child.
I'm not even branded and I haven't fallen from royalty like you have and have to reclaim my birthright, my life is so much harder than yours, but I'm going to insert myself in your troubles just....because.
So much development between them..
Don't worry. Just give it 3 weeks and people will realise how dogshit the characters and story are.
I didn't bother doing any side quests in the latter half of the game, were there any side quests that went into more detail about Barnabas at all?
I swear that the only people I see defending this game are trannies and homosexuals
Probably because the game has no waifu, but it looks like waifugays simply don't care about the game
Square Enix run the marketing, they stick a bunch of waifus and other shit in the trailer to make waifugays want to buy the game, but turns out there are no good waifus when you're 10 hours into a game and about 25% in
I struggle to play more, game has no challenge nor any deep message, theres no waifus either to really motivate to play the boring dungeons like in Persona
Isn't this girl's design just a rehash of that one chick from battle ogre?
Ravness? Kind of I guess.
When did Jill learn to fight? And why isn't Clive surprised at how much she changed?
In the 13 year timeskip.
>surprised
He is in shock for awhile cause he has been an imperial slave/assassin and it would be pretty surprising if your best from from high school showed up randomly as a target
Why didn't Clive seem surprised or even happy to see Torgal at all after 13 years? There's so much weird shit that really takes me out of the story
even ffxv gentiana shiva does more than jill shiva
You're all just jealous and mad Jill's game is actually a good one, unlike all other FFs
>You're all just jealous and mad Jill's game is actually a good one, unlike all other FFs
I'm mad cuz Jill is a non character even though we spend 90% of the game with her
>XV: main hoe is a boring stoic non character with 5 minutes of screentime
>XVI: main hoe is a boring non character with 30+ hours of screentime
Which is worse Ganker?
XV will always be rock bottom for the series, especially the entire not!Stella thing
No one with functioning brain still cares about Versus shit in 2023
it's not about Versus per se it's about Luna being so irrelevant that some concept art is still overshadowing her
Jill and Clive's relationship still comes across as sweet with how they are completely dedicated to supporting each other. It's still better than Luna and Noctis's nothing.
Jill and Clive, funnily, are still one of the most openly affectionate FF couples as well with all the handholding, on-screen kisses and them having sex on-screen.
>all last 4 mainline FF games flopped the last real banger was X
It's over.
Claire will save us. Remake soon.
That wouldn't be a mainline FF game, now would it anon?
Claire is always a mainline in my heart.
Nah, it's not "good" it's just "okay".
It has the same flaws as FFXIV, the same limitations too with better graphics.
The battle system is DMClite, and the characters (outside of fricking Cid) are bland and boring.
The first two hours were the best damn part of the game.
If I'm jealous of anyone it's the people enjoying the game, because I'm sure not. I'm here complaining about it instead of playing it because I find it boring as frick.
>Jill
>Jihl
>both completely disappear from the story in the last act
Maybe they just have something against the name
>>*does nothing*
>proof that Squeenix writes female characters perfectly
she takes clive's virginity. that's more than you have ever done
>clive's virginit
Clive lost his virginity as soon as he was made a slave
Has the PS5 been hacked or are we gonna have to wait for the pc version for the models? I want to frick Tarja 5years later
>has sex
Literally perfect, that's all she had to do. If anything I'm more disappointed Benedikta being the other big pre-review female char doesn't.
>Benedikta being the other big pre-review female char doesn't.
But she does, she's fricked 3 men probably more, with a side of rape.
I wish Jill sent Clive more sappy letters
Hear of it? You were fricking there. This shit is so dumb
this fricking game
For me its Maeve
FF16 is Clive's game
They are so cute
>We will make a MATURE FF game
> Insert rape and cursing into your average FF plot
It's so naive it's almost cute
Don't forget blood
>We will make a MATURE FF game
>Clive literally fights himself to get over his past trauma, the most generic anime trope ever
>Plot is just Naruto
>press X to accept the truth
I've seen people unironically say that exact moment made the game GOTY to them and I seriously don't get it.
>people actually expected the game to NOT go full anime and be a boring wrpg instead
lol
If the game was turn based, new party members would have been controllable as you control the full party and their actions.
They would have had their own, unique character growth paths with unique abilities and attributes that had them stand out.
There would be real synergy and tons of different applicable strategies depending on how you combine and match the abilities and attributes of different characters.
But no. Instead you just control Clive. And party members just frick about doing their own thing. The best you get are some commands on a cooldown like with Torgal.
Why do people like this?
She's just proof the writing team is gay as frick.
This b***h is actually annoying, I wanted her to frick off 5 seconds after she showed up.
>makes you do two hours of filler sidequests
>have to pick up nuts and garlic
why did anyone approve of this shite
SHE WAS SO FRICKING USELESS
>doesn't help with titan
>doesn't help with Garuda (cause knocked out for weeks lol)
>doesn't help with bahamut (wtf!!)
>doesn't help with Ultima at all
>helps a lil against Odin but not much
>helps against... LIVING FLAME lol
Probably more I'm missing. Why did they make her an Eikon again? Don't care about the excuse that she's sick when Joshua and Dion go way harder and have urgency.
IIRC Yoshida said there was an Eikon that was close to being cut but it was too far into development. People speculated in the leak threads that it was Garuda, but playing the game its clearly Shiva. If you took Shiva out, you could still have that whole intro with Titan/Dhalmeks work. Anytime Jill is there with Clive, I just know she will be standing around doing nothing because they can't have both of them prime and fight something
Shiva at least has some backstory with the north lore, there's literally nothing for Garuda
I guess that's because Garuda's the most 'who?' summon in the game along with Pheonix.
Not to say that they are literal who's though
RIP Leviathan, you don't have legs
Leviathan could absolutely work, they were cowards for not including him.
>If you took Shiva out, you could still have that whole intro with Titan/Dhalmeks work.
Not really, you'd have the rewrite the entire sequence because Clive is there specifically under orders to assassinate the iron kingdom's dominant. In addition to Kupka no longer needing to transform to fight her off.
>Not really, you'd have the rewrite the entire sequence because Clive is there specifically under orders to assassinate the iron kingdom's dominant.
Then since Shiva was originally supposed to be cut, you find out the dominant is already dead, they killed themselves, game continues as normal.
Her model's mid in the grand scheme of FF too
Cute
Jesus Clive, let the woman rest for god's sake. It's how you get a rash.
33 years of tfw no gf will do that to you
Oh clive I always knew you would come back to me... but I won't help you against Bahamut when he is absolutely destroying you and Joshua's anus...
I knew... you'd come back... while i sit there doing nothing... heehee..
Oh and Ultima.. I won't help... I'll smile at the dawn while you sit on a beach dying of stone aids.
mid isn't mid that's for sure
Her personality is
>Jill hates the shit she did being Shiva, wants to atone for it
>BRO WHY DOESN'T SHE TRANSFORM INTO SHIVA TO HELP?
Peoppe just watch cutscenes without context, they were already talking about the game story a day later
yeah and clive wants to atone for what he did as ifrit. Simp.
>BRO WHY DOESN'T SHE TRANSFORM INTO SHIVA TO HELP
Isn't the reason she never helps because she is fricked up or something? Because when she can help she does
Yes. Iron Kingdom made her prime lots during her years with them which made her already weakened from the get-go, and she had to prime an unknown number of times during the 5 year timeskip because Clive wasn't able to. Jill can barely handle the aftereffects of transforming into Shiva looking at the post molten flame fight.
Maybe because she has an entire arc and backstory about how she was forced to use her Dominant power to slaughter countless people? How she has a whole arc with internal turmoil that she views herself as a monster and detests her own power.
Nah, that couldn't have been it. Shit character, shit writing, shit game.
But she did prime though, just not onscreen.
>Nah, that couldn't have been it. Shit character, shit writing, shit game.
Isn't the entire point of her "arc" that by killing the priest homie she can "finally stand next to Clive with her head held up high" so she shouldn't have a problem using her powers after that?
Except she can now prime to HELP people, but her failing to do so just makes it seem like she is too much of an afterthought. Honestly I am more annoyed how Fenrir/Torgal was handled honestly. He should transform when we do Limit Breaks.
Clive says she transformed multiple times during the 5 year time skip though, so clearly there nothing preventing her from doing it before that.
There's nothing preventing Cid from priming either but he barely does it because it fricks him up something fierce. Jill has the same issues in addition to not wanting to prime unless she absolutely has to.
Cid is also their elder probably by 20 years on the time of his death. Being a Lord Commander he definitely saw his fair share of battles, and it makes you wonder how he and Odin didn't conquer Storm earlier. What the frick was on Ash to make it take so long?
orcs
Cid was coughing up blood 24/7, Jill never.
>There's nothing preventing Cid from priming either but he barely does it because it fricks him up something fierce
Cid is with one foot in the grave, which was established from the get-go and she is a more important character then him and yet they did nothing with her. If they don't want her to be a damsel in distress that's one thing but if they don't make her a part of the action then it really gets glaring obvious that they had no idea how to incorporate her at all in the story
Cid is way more important than Jill in the first section to be honest.
Cid at least used his lightning magic in cutscenes even if he didn't prime. I don't think Jill ever once did shit in a cutscene before her "arc"
Dion is buttfricking the brothers. What stop Jill from helping?
I feel like the game could have worked better making it a dual protagonist
They already copied so much from tactics that they should've just went the Delita/Ramza route with Clive and Barney
Yeah, the game needed Jill's side, also to complete the GoT comparison
I wonder if they will make a story of Jill trying to save Clive and add the Leviathan boss
Frimelda is best Final Fantasy girl though
I love ffta so much
>Rider kicks into Titan's skull
G-Game of Thrones?...
>people love going "eww anime"
>the most anime moments of normalgay approved japanese media are consistently the most popular moments
Really makes you think.
Whoever argued that SE could? Every female protag in the history of all of SE games have been maidens in distress but they have some lame unique, useless power that's so important to the plot.
Aerith, Lightning, Fang, Vanille, Aranea
Is it me or people only talk good things about ff years later?
Welcome to FF threads or any JRPG in general
Ever saw a Tales of thread dedicated to the girls?
People always shit on the prior game to prop up the new one. When XVII comes out the came people defending XVI now will shit on it to make the new game look better.
I don't think people are actually capable of understanding the difference between good characters and likeable characters, so they just group them all together under "I don't like this character therefore they're bad"
Happens all the time. You had positive lightning and ff15 threads and even people are praising ff7r now, but when ff7r released all threads were about how much it bombed, how censored Tifa was and how its pozzed.
SE should just ignored online feedback, since people obviously just want to doompost
>all threads were about how much it bombed, how censored Tifa was and how its pozzed
To be fair, everything you listed is just organized shitposting and can be completely ignored. I do the same for every game as engaging with stuff like that is pointless.
There were still some threads around FF7R's release which were primarily positive. I think most were just arguing how dumb the time ghosts were which is the fairest criticism I feel.
/v/intendo pattern consists in killing threads. Notice the street fighter 6 spam calling it a troony game, the spam stopped just with FF16 release and they are already starting to shazampost Starfield
Just wait for them to be distracted shitposting another game
Well, Tifa was evidently censored and SE going pozzed is nothing new or did you miss all those screenshots and SE's own announcement of their Ethic department and all those rah rah about modernisation for wider audience?
>but when ff7r released all threads were about how much it bombed, how censored Tifa was and how its pozzed.
I mean you can only complain about things for so long before you get tired and move on. Not everyone is an autist like Barry that obsesses over a singular thing for literal years.
But he will ruin Rebirth threads next
The game is out for like 4 years now, if you're still seething about these things you will end up insane
Not seething, just saying the games get dedicated haters for one year, making people drop any discussion. You can only talk about a game years later
This game is forgettable, it will not be discussed years from now.
Yes. Years ago talking about Yuna you only got posts calling her useless and annoying
Tales of threads get ednaposted, atelier threads get cadoposted, Octopath threads were ruined by some SaGa larper, mods sometimes close Trails threads or you get called shill or something
Unironically i'm starting to believe a mod is a huge xenogay
Only when they make fake FF's
I fricking hate Vanille with a burning passion. Like unreasonably so. God that character makes me actively angry.
isn't she literally Aerith just as the lesbian version?
Yuna and FFX mog FFXVI
>Yuna and FFX
My #1 female character from the #1 Final Fantasy
>established that using magic is dangerous and will lead to petrification if done willy-nilly
>enemies are such damage sponges that Clive has to dump huge magical combos into every trash mob fight
is this what they call ludo-narrative dissonance
Yes. Refer to the formula:
MMO devs = MMO quality = Do not Play
There is also them forcing you to watch a cutscene of Barnabas showing superiority in combat because otherwise during actual gameplay the player would style on him hard.
I'm fine with it. There's no real way to win that as JRPGs have struggled with it since time immemorial
>have a fight where the boss completely jobs you with some 9999 move right off the bat
>beat the bosses ass so hard yet once the battle is over they just play a cutscene where you lose
>give a fight that's actually moderately difficult but can still win, and still end with a cutscene where you lose
I've always hated stuff like this so just throwing in a cutscene where he's stronger than you is fine imo
Or have a fight that seems unbeatable but with enough skill you can beat the boss and then you'll just get a different cutscene but the plot progression doesn't change.
One game did that great and it was made by a Japanese autist working on it for 14 years.
they just need to cut this shit out, if they want you to lose a fight then don't let us actually fight. i appreciate wanting to use gameplay to incorporate that story moment of "woah he's stronger than you" but more often than not this fails and undercuts the entire point. the exception would be something where the boss is actually mathematically unbeatable, but that's got its own problem where people might burn through consumable items to try. less of an issue in a game like ff16 where you can't hold that many items anyway i guess
>Boss is just toying you because...
Remake better let you cream her in either the last fight or an optional one.
>About to beat beatrix
>Time ghost came out and destroy you before you can do that
>is allowed to genocide rat people AND gets away with it scotfree
I wish there were more games like that where women are there to support male characters not fighting themselves.
>I wish there were more games like that where women are there to support male characters not fighting themselves.
Jill fights tho
I feel like the only direction they had for this character was "lets not do Luna again that was awful"
At least Luna was capable of doing stuff on her own without being attached to the main character. Feels like she had more agency than Jill.
>jobbing to Ardyn is doing something
She was going around healing people and shit. It wasn't particularly interesting but she was doing stuff she wanted to do.
She was already dying and even after he stabbed her she tried TO HEAL ARDYN and mad a jab towards him by saying the rightful king will take the throne which pissed off ardyn
That's long before its even revealed ardyn was lucis caelum so luna knew ardyns whole deal and even after being stabbed by him she tried to heal HIM
She knew her life was nearly over because of the rites taking its toll on her
also ardyn didn't kill her
the tidal wave killed her, she drowned while using her last power to protect noctis who was unconscious so he doesn't drown
>I'm forced to kill
>For some reason, that makes me super guilty
>How dare I have such noble reason to kill others?
>I can't face myself and stand beside you unless I kill this other person
Her motive is weak as frick.
Why not just change it to rape?
Instead of sacrificing bearers, the high priest is abusing his power to frick women, and call it a "cleansing".
Jill, being raped left & right, just felt too dirty, and needs to kill the rapist off so she can face Clive again without remembering all the nights she's raped.
Wouldn't this be a better writing since they wanted to make the story "dark" and "mature"?
Because the only thing the audience likes about Jill is she has a "sweet" bland as frick romance with Clive and rape would ruin that for them
Alright, alright. I get the message.
No rape then.
How about making her a coward?
Instead of her being forced to kill because the barbarians are threatening to kill little girls,
make it so that she's offering to kill so she can have a warm bed, better food and generally better treatment than other bearers, also she ignored the whole sacrifice thing, and don't dare to question it.
That would make her to have a stronger motive to face her own cowardice past and set things right by killing the high priest, destroying the mother crystal and ending the suffering for the bearers.
Personally I still think clive should have gone the edgy Eren way by trying to liberate the world.
Jill could have been the voice of reason stopping him form going to far at the end of the game.
Clive is kind of a b***h half the Hideaway NPCs treat him like an idiot despite being their leader after the timeskip
This is where I thought the story was going to go except with Bahamut as the one disagreeing with his methods and trying to maintain the status quo.
yeah and that basically was the trailer in this post:
implied.
Too bad they did go with this because that much better than the Ultima plot point.
It's kind of baffling how little consideration is given to what they're doing by destroying the crystals, and we didn't see nearly enough of the consequences.
They already summed it up though, they know they are making lives harder for people but for the betterment of future generations.
>We know that its going to be harder for everyone especially bearers because their powers will be in even greater demand but its ultimately for the greater good because the alternative is that everyone dies
Sure, they say that once and then that's it. I expected more conflict around the issue considering they're displacing entire populations.
If they did that the metacritic score would be in 70s KEK
>Softie was forced to kill for 13 years and she feels like shit over it
vs
>Edgy rape thing that will make it into a giant shitpost and ruin all discussion about her. See Sakura in Fate
I'm normally a puritygay but her getting raped would have been better, not like Clive would have been pure being a slave soldier for 13 years either.
>why not change it to the most cliche tragic female backstory
Lack of self awareness is incredible. Always calling out shit writing but then coming up with even worse shit
>coming up with even worse shit
nope.
The original "I'm the worst because I'm forced to kill others" is a far worse writing.
You are obviously moronic or you're Barry if you actually defend that shit.
Rape is baby's first edgy backstory. People always mock it for a good reason because its overwrought.
>Clive
>Turning into Eren
>When he apologizes that often
Never
>its overwrought
It's overwrought because it's effective, you mongoloid.
Just like how cliche in movies are so overused because they are effective.
Moron
Its overwrought because people always go full moron with rape in backstories to the point that it sounds like fricking fetish bait.
into Eren
>>When he apologizes that often
Yeah i know... They didn't go that way, it's pretty sad.
This trailer made me hope so hard : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8g1My6XlD4
>slave for 13 years in a hypermasculine society
>they never touched her though cause uhh... religion says its bad specifically
>Fighting inside the volcano
>Jill is absolutely fricking DRENCHED in sweat
Brehs...........
filthy b***h has been wearing the same outfit everyday for 5 years she probably reeks
Dion should have gone back to cute adopted daughter instead of joining a suicide mission for no reason. What the frick was the point of that? The Bahamut thing wasn't his fault and nobody was even mad at him, he had nothing to prove.
>no reason
It doesn’t matter if everyone loves and forgives him if he can’t forgive himself
We already did this storyline with Clive and Jill, there was no need to repeat it a third time.
Except his version of it was actually good
It would have been more satisfying to see him take some responsibility in cleaning up the mess he made by actually leading his people, instead of dying pointlessly and leaving everyone who loves him in a crisis.
What are you talking about he didn’t run off to neck himself he literally helps defeat ultima to save the whole world
She's pretty cool
yeah would have been nice if you could actually fricking play her
16-2
Is she worse than Luna and Lightning and Penelo?
nah, don't push it.
She's Penelo and Luna combined.
Lightning was at least proactive.
Worse than all 3
Nah
Luna is basically the zelda of XVs world
Does anyone else think that the game showing Joshua is alive kinda robs the “accept the truth” moment of its impact? We literally see him wandering around and we are making Clive accept a lie.
We are looking for "Joshua's killer" even though we saw Clive becomes Ifrit.
It already robbed the "accept the truth" moments enough.
I mean, it probably still hurt. And he also killed everyone else by going out of control.
Game would've been better without a forced in love interest for the sake of it.
Keeping it a revenge/absolution story would have been much better.
Or have said revenge/absolution story and the love interest dies as a consequence of it. Of course we'd probably want a few more females still to keep the game from being a sausagefest, which it kinda is already.
>think this guy is gonna be an epic mysterious wildcard dark horse character with some ulterior motives during the entire lead up to the game and even the first ~1/2 of the story
>turns out to be a mindless puppet that just regurgitates quotes from the actual villain for a few hours before dying
Disappointing beyond words. FFXVI really faceplanted for me because its two supposed greatest strengths, story and combat, were no strengths at all. The combat is DMC done worse and the story is a total letdown.
What a cruel turn of events that I have a better (but probably still low) chance of getting my FF fix from the multiverse time-travel horseshit that VII:R2 will undoubtedly end up being.
He regurgitates Ultima shit from way earlier than his arc. Barny is definitely the biggest frick up though, I can deal with Ultima god stuff because that is what FF tends to end at and usually fail at. Yu Yevon, Necron, Jenova etc all non characters. Barnabas could have been more than a mommy complex character though
>Barnabas could have been more than a mommy complex character though
So he's Sephiroth as presented by Sephiroth-haters?
Even Cid who is fricking dying does more than Jill lol she's useless. And they say she primes but OFFSCREEN kek
Reminds me of Luna and how we're told she's going through her own journey and she's strong and awesome for it when it happens entirely off-screen.
Show don't tell.
Heavensward was before fujos took over.
God she was so wasted on XV.
How did the guy who wrote heavensward fail so hard with the characters of FFXVI?
I'm not even talking about the plot, just the characters are way more likable in heavensward .
Was heavensward just pure luck because this feel like ARR all over again.
HW had all of ARR to setup the characters for you.
Not really, Nidhogg , estinien, haurchefant and his father are all new characters.
And there is also alphinaud with a good character arc making him go from an insufferable moron to a likable guy.
All in all I just feel like FFXVI is a big step backward in terms of writing.
Once again, the vast majority of HW is carried on ARR setting up the backdrop for you, so all it had to do was just execute what was already there. 16 didn't have that luxury, it had to attempt to do ARR and HW together in one story.
>estinien
>haurchefant
>new characters
?????
>And there is also alphinaud with a good character arc making him go from an insufferable moron to a likable guy.
with the foundation arr put up as a backdrop, like the guy said.
you could still be right about 16 tho
He probably didn't do the Dragoon plotline in ARR which is why he thinks that Esti is a new character introduced in HW.
HW Estinien is basically a new character compared to ARR sidequest Estinien
I don't get it. She's hardly any less boring than Yuna, Tifa, Rinoa and Penelo and Ashe.
>Rinoa
But rinoa is not boring.
She's a cute little moron that gets in the professional's way all the time.
Agree on all other characters.
>Yuna
Yuna had a reason to be boring
She lived in isolation and worshipped a religion who she thought could do no wrong and was going to follow her faith til the end like all the summoners before her, Tidus came in and shook her faith, causing her to even start doubting everything she believed in, which was a fricking lie.
She had nothing to follow.
And that's within the first half of the game.
Wtf do we know about Jill except the fact that she's a childhood friend with a dog, is Shiva, and was used to prime constantly? Nothing.
Jill had 13 years of being tortured/slave and to kill people
And that's all in some "Tell don't, show" bullshit.
Could've fooled me that she was used as a war pawn.
>Game literally reintroduces her being bullied into force priming and you fight a weakened Jill after she jobs horribly to Titan
>Oh no, she's being kicked and thrown around and that's it.
>Could have fooled me
>Starts with you saving her from her captors
Woah
Once again.
What else is there about her after that?
Nothing. She's one dimensional.
People call YUNA boring as frick, but she has more character in her game than Jill.
Jill is essentially another Rosa/Tifa/Luna. At least Yuna does stuff.
>At least Yuna does stuff.
It was this scene that cemented Yuna as my favorite FF female protagonist.
When she realized that she didn't need to follow religion nor what they preached and to actually live her own life and make decisions for herself, after all that time she spent questioning Yevon and herself.
Yeah as much as people may rag on Yuna for being 'boring' I can appreciate that she has her own motives and character arc totally separate from Tidus, so she isn't reliant on him to function as a character.
Yuna is only boring if you play in eng, she has lots of attitude in JP
HAG RAPE CORRECTION
I just like seeing female knights, that's all.
Why is there so few interactions between Jill & Clive?
One of the classic FF experience is how team members react to a certain thing, and trading dialogues between each others.
They built a great dynamic between Cid & Clive, but why can't they do the same for Clive & Jill?
>Why is there so few interactions between Jill & Clive?
Because Jill was thrown in at the last minute.
Wasn't the guy writing the story an admitted 'story>characters' guy?
nogs shitting on this character for being a one-note femoid companion while propping someone like Yuna is peak nostalgiahomosexualry kek
the gays had more action
Did he being gay added anything to the story?
funding from blackrock
no, it was there for fujos. and to keep ethics department off their back
Fujos won't care about this. Their relationship has nothing to it and the other guy is ugly.
I have this nagging feeling that they deliberately cut some important story shit and characterizations only to sell them as DLCs later on and I hate it.
>Characterization
They're in the sidequests.
I'd prefer it to be in the main quests personally but maybe I'm just crazy
You can't cram everything in the main story unfortunately although some of the sidequests have no business being optional.
So what, theres one for Jill? One for Barbanabas? Cause Im in Drake's Breath and all the characterizations have been for npcs, which is fine but it puts some of the Dominants to shame in that regard
leviathan is 100% dlc
>5 year time skip
>they didnt frick
you im not buying it
They put more effort in the npcs than with most of the Dominants, guess they thought being a kaiju was enough character development. Im still enjoying my time with it a lot, and story is fine, but writing could've been better, definitely
Its fine for Garuda and Titan to be lackluster IMO, Garuda is early boss energy and they got Titan to be a roidrage cuck. Jill and Barny though feel a bit wasted, and I hope Cid gets DLC.
>hey I tried infiltrating the Empire before but bahamut chased me out
Easy DLC tier section.
I just wanted a couple of dungeons with Cid and Jill, put that in the mainstory and leave the old man of Eastfoot for a sidequests, for example
please tell me there's a barnabas sidequest, what we got in the main story can't have been everything
She just looks bad despite being the main love interest/companion. Hell even NPCs like Tarja and Clive's mother mogs her. Her being boring and useless is the icing on the shitcake.
Would have been better blonde
love dem cheeks, man
>main color is grey
It really fits to her boring personality
I wish I liked Jill
So a characters DLC would be nixe, right? But gameplay wise I dont know if they can make it interesting
If you want good female characters play Xenoblade. FF is for chads that don't give a shit.
Mio was better but also kinda bland. Should have posted Eunie.
>Xenoblade
>good female characters
You can greentext all you want, doesn't change shit.
>Fgay devolves into buzzwords
Sad!
>implying I play that woke trash
>furshit
>forced diversity
>censorship
No.
Same fellow Xenochad. My favorite have got to be Fiora, Pyra and Mio. All multilayered characters that easily trumps Jill any day,
Fiora, no. Pyra and Mio completely mog most FF female characters though.
Pyra gets mogged in her own game by herself too
Yeah but that's not a big deal, there's a lot of good females in XC2.
No
Sexy vietnamese cartoon isnt good writing, anon. You can like it if you want but thats not what we are discussing here
Give me at least an anime/manga that develops every single dominant that isn't Clive and Im good. I like the setting and you already showed me the npcs which is cool, but Dominants have potential as characters, so just do something with them
why won't they make her look like picrel in game
why are her eyes so fricking small and squinty?
What too much anime does to a Black person
FFXVI is great but has some of the worst pacing I've ever experienced in a game. The exact same story could be told in this game so much more efficiently but they just chose not to. It's very strange.
I think it would be mentally exhausting if this was 12 hours long and you had a 15 minute break between every Eikon sequence. Like Titan into Bahamut actually needs a fricking breather period of dull shit. If Odin showed up for another 40 minute fight after Bahamut the game would need to have characters T-posing and talking for the story to even advance at that point.
The pacing could be better but not cut down that drastically.
>mid's 3 parter fetch quest goes down to 1
>the "oh no my pass is missing" thing is like cut in fricking half
Pacing is now better but you still have some breathing room and you setup shit around the area.