I just beat Lamashtu but then it was the girl and then the Saint did something and now they're dead? or not? I'm like 20h into this game and I have no better sense of the characters or the stakes than I did when I started. Is there a point where the story picks up or is this MGS5 all over again
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I've been wondering the same about every SMT game and spinoff I ever played
Nope, story is shit. It's like Nocturne, but there's even less of a plot/character development.
>Playing SMT for the story.
Persona might suit your tastes better anon.
No it has the worst story of mainline and some of the worst gameplay due to the damage sponge bosses and atrocious level scaling. For raw story play SMT IV, for atmosphere play Nocturne, for characters play Digital Devil Saga
ignore this moron V is the exception not the rule. even 1's story is captivating
Thanks. I'm familiar w/ the mainline games, 5 was new to me. Just wanted to gauge the potential of it.
Persona isn't for me, but I'm glad those folks have a way to enjoy SMT too.
OP, ignore this fatlus brainlet calling me a moron. The only mainline games in the series with a somewhat serviceable story are SJ and maybe the first game. Is there some depth to them, sure. Just don't expect a "captivating" story like how that anon was saying.
>Persona isn't for me, but I'm glad those folks have a way to enjoy SMT too.
Fair enough, it was more a meme reply from me.
I prefer SMT but God you're a homosexual. There is a story, gay it's generally told through the setting, alignments and environment. I am actually repulsed you would miss this you impotent worm. Maybe if you got that musty wiener out of your mouth you would have noticed
>Seething over a pseudcore series.
Could you please make a youtube essay about SMT? I am awed by your intellectual superiority.
I went back to replay this after completing it at release and I just can't stand it. Nocturne mogs it and even 4/4A are significantly better. I hate the DQ11 enemy placement, I hate most of the bosses having rigid patterns with their stupid free turn ebin super move, I hate the way levels are weighted in the damage formulas, I hate reverse fusion, I hate the awful quests, I hate having to rustle a million vending machines, I hate the free emergency teleport that removes all tension from the game permanently. It's the blandest most """""user-friendly""""" SMT and that's drastically to its detriment
and despite all of this it was still too hard and confusing for journos so get ready for the next smt title to release in 10 years and be called shin megami tensei 6: persona
I don't want to talk about it anymore
It's honestly the hardest game in the series solely because of how JRPG-ish it is. As a classic SMT fan, it's hard to adjust to the arbitrary level scaling, forced side content, damage sponge bosses, Persona buffs slowing the game down to a crawl... The point of the series is that most obstacles can be overcome without grinding but with a new fresh strategy. Usually the only exceptions to this are in spinoffs or for final bosses. In V, it's every single boss maybe EXCEPT the final one because it's a complete joke.
For me the most offensive thing with the bosses was the patterns.
>Bro how do you beat hydra?
Uhhh just use the dark blocker every third turn or you die
>Bro how do you beat nuwa???
Uhhh just use the wind blocker every third turn or you die
etc etc
I hate the super moves you have too. It just turns every fight into a "buff up your main dude, unleash super move, repeat" and you have to do this because it's such a slow burn otherwise.
I FRICKING HATE THIS GAME
I just got tired of the open world setting and enemies on screen. I found myself missing the tension of being in the middle of a dungeon and stressing out over how I'm going to make it to the next boss or save room. Open world with random encounter or enemies on the screen with the tight spaces of dungeons would have made the game more enjoyable for me.
Pretty sure this is a result of casualization. Tension can be a negative emotion so it should be removed!
Naraku in IV was one of the most stressful but rewarding parts of the series because it was so damn tough and really felt like a classic SMT dungeon but people complained and they never did any opening segment like it again.
The story already picked up, you didn't pay attention. The demons knocked at Tokyo's door and now you're fighting chaos legions.
V isn't open world.
>It's honestly the hardest game in the series
It's easy AF after the second area lol, pretty much nearly every boss can be muted with Accursed Poison after that point (Fionn, Lahmu, Matador can't) which is super OP.
IV started the casualization you're talking about, its dungeon crawling was pathetic compared to anything else Atlus released prior to it. The challenge being next to 0 excluding those infamous two bosses doesn't quite match whatever "tension" the developer might have intended -- if it's too easy, you'll get bored. And if it's too easy, there's no tension, because you never feel in danger. The gameplay has to back up the atmosphere, no way or copes around it.
>"buff up your main dude, unleash super move, repeat"
That's a funny complain considering that, historically, SMT's gameplay was all about "buff, debuff, dekunda/dekaja, repeat" -- V is the same sauce, just cooked differently.
V sucks shit and no amount of hairsplitting will change that
based straight to the point replier vs moron "B-BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS OTHER GAME THAT DID THIS" whataboitist
I was interested in this because it is a new SMT game on (a kind of) console. But it apparently is not a dungeon crawler? That kind of kills me interest.
It's as much of a dungeon crawler as any other 3D SMT game. Every environment is functionally a dungeon, you are never not in it same as the other 3D games.
Gameplay footage I saw had no dungeons or random encounters. Just wandering around an empty city and choosing to fight demons occasionally.
V's lack of dungeons really did kill it for me. I wish they would stop designing games this way.
you’re gonna defeat the super bosses right? bro the story basically is you can side with demons or angels, its the same every time. theres not much point to it beyond that. people that praise nocturne for it story are moronic
I enjoyed it and I'll say that I enjoyed it about as much as I loved IV maybe even more, though IV grew on me in time.
Although I'm not sure that's actually great praise because I look back to IV and I was disappointed in it since we'd already had the astounding SJ which was and wasn't mainline (MUH TOKYOOOOOOOOOO).
The other elephant in the room was that IV: Final exists and that scratched a gameplay & story itch that V couldn't really live up to. IV: Final is hardly a masterpiece but it was good enough for me to say I thoroughly enjoyed it more than IV, V I enjoyed more than IV at launch but I'm still not sure the main quest works for me.
I don't need the story to be a masterpiece obviously but what is it from V that makes it harder to look back on but makes IV grow on me like mold? Companions.
Without that element, the battle system really leaves something to be desired; but I still undoubtedly enjoyed the game.
but still no re-release or update or anything. I guess life under Sega really is cruel and harsh..
encounters were too fricking slow and they clearly cut a shitload of story concepts before rushing the leftovers out the door
first time I dropped an SMT immediately after the first final boss clear
Fake News. V is the best game in the series.
Everyone who dislikes this game is a moron.
Actually, anyone who thinks it's better than literally any other SMT mainline or spinoff except Persona 3-5 is a dangerous moron who should be euthanized and also possibly a homosexual
If this is true, then why did kek favor me with dubs and not you?
Checkmate.
You will change the tune if SMT V comes to other platforms and you play it for the first time.
Bosses only use magatsuhi moves at HP gates and a stupid amount of them are vulnerable to seal.
>Bosses only use magatsuhi moves at HP gates
I don't really buy it.
Anon, I played and finished it at release. Do I need to show you my clear data, or what? For me it was like
said, only SMT that I've just finished once and immediately walked away from.
Same here. Even 1 I had desire to replay because there's enough story content to keep you interested despite the mediocre gameplay. V manages to have even worse combat because at least in 1 you can stun/charmlock everything and get it over with quickly, V is a genuine slog to go through. And the story needs no mention
You can easily test this by fighting a boss and messing around for a few turns and noticing that they won't use their specials if you don't actively hurt them.
>Anon, I played and finished it at release.
Sure.
Now you will, just wait for June.
Suck my dick Black person, your pet game is junk compared to the TRVE SMT experiences Nocturne & SJ. Going to pirate Vengeance and probably still hate it.
Even Demikids is better than Strange Journey.
Yeah, by that awful battle theme. The only worse battle theme comes from Koudelka.
Admit that you got filtered by Eridanus NOW
>20 hours into a game you don't like.
Play another game homosexual.
I kept hoping it would get good and it never did
disingenuous, rpgs are the genre of "just keep going and it will probably get better."
modern ones, anyway.
disingenuous, rpgs are t h e genre of "just keep going and it will probably get worse."
classic and modern, eternally anyway.
The story is literally just SMT 3, except you can unfuse with the prototype. How do you not know what's going on?
So this game's getting an enhanced port to real platforms, meaning we'll finally get to see it at a double digit frame rate.
Wish I never bought it on switch.
All these enhanced ports are doing is convincing me to never buy Atlus games right off. At least IVA was basically a new game in the SMTIV engine, this looks like "haha we released a bad game now pay us again, frickos"
>strange journey mentioned
let's get this shit started
>dogshit ost every track sounds the fricking same
>dogshit battle themes
>dogshit boss themes
>battle sprites are just asset flips
>demon co-op system is ass, takes away the gameplay benefit of playing neutral
>story barely makes use of the admittedly cool setting
>material grinding in a fricking smt game
>fetch quests
>demon passwords in case you ever get actually stuck
>can't choose your mc's build
>mc is one of the weakest and shittiest feeling in the entire series
>law and chaos endings are bad
>characters suck
probably a lot more i'm missing but sj is a solid D-
>dogshit ost
Stopped reading there, shit taste and equally shit opinion.
did the moron really think anyone was gonna keep reading his shitty bait after that? zoomers are a plague on this earth, lurk moar before casting your line
>literally 20 tracks worth of drums and chanting
i could forgive this if it at least had a decent boss theme but it couldn't even give us that. remember, sj was originally marketed as smt4 and then they went back on that by releasing an actual smt4, thus acknowledging how shit that game is.
Can we all just agree Nocturne has the best music hands down?
i'm not always in the mood for the screamy battle music and the rest of it is mostly ambient... for me it's either smt1 or devil survivor
It's strange journey. Unfortunately since zoomers don't get dopamine fixes from orchestral tracks they'll never do it again
telling people SJ's music is better won't convince them you're smart, hth
HEY HOH
HOH HEEH
HEEEH HOOH HEY HEY
*30 seconds of almost silence*
HOOOOHHH HEEH HOH HOH HEYYYYYY
*30 seconds of almost silence*
HEEH HOH. HEH HOH. HEEH HOHHHH
I could type out a multi post walla but it's safe to say that within the Meguro games SJ is his best work followed by III.
SJ works because he had limitations imposed on him and it translates well whereas III falls into the meguro trappings of focusing too much on style & instrumentation first. It's fine that he's off working on persona games forever where he doesn't need to push himself.
Kozuka's soundtracks are great because he embraced the previous games and embraced not only what they were but who they were influenced by; beyond just the organ players.
SMT has great music and every game has standout tracks that mog the competition.
>buy game that you really want to play
>the fancy deluxe enhanced definitive SSS ultimate version gets released after a few years
Don't forget that the game launched with a fricking season pass.
Well at the very least, it coming to PC means there's a 100% chance of someone modding level scaling out (if it comes back). But knowing Sega's denuvo fetish I'm going to have to play the switch port if I don't want to spend $70 for a game I already played...
i love how devastated you morons are by this game. V is great. if you have a serious problem with it, you're way too far down the rabbit hole of SMT/your own ass
So what the deal with Vengeance? Is it gonna be both versions of the game that you selected from the menu? or are they pulling a Shitsona 5 the Royal and just making QoL improvements and back loading all the new shit at the end? Or are they doing the smart thing and rebuilding the whole game?
judging by what's been said in the reveal stuff
>base game story and new story are separate routes you choose from at the start
>QoL improvements are still in the base game route
it's unknown if the new demons and such will be in the base game but I'd assume the non-boss ones will be