Does this franchise have good gameplay or do people just like it for the story? I don't know if it's worth getting into.
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Does this franchise have good gameplay or do people just like it for the story?
>I don't know if it's worth getting into.
Stop being a tool and start being a person.
mgs1 which i havent beaten yet is like
it changed me
i cant believe something like this came out when it did on the console it did
i could immediately see why mgsgays love mgs
Is 4 any good? I keep hearing it's bad.
4 is good if you love 1 and 2 and can appreciate its gameplay despite the overkill cutscenes
the gameplay is 4 is good its just that there isn't enough of it and there's a part where you just follow a guy around that is exceptionally terrible and arguably one of the worst moments in the franchise no debate.
4 is the greatest movie ever made.
MGS2 has more cutscene time than 4, specially if you count the annoying codec calls.
and it's still got more gameplay time you pedantic frick
It really doesn't. These games are all riddled with movie trash, stop pretending only 4 is a cutscene-fest.
And MGS2 has the most interruptions of gameplay of all time.
>you don't get it, MGS2 is supposed to be dogshit
Ok.
MGS 2 isn't dogshit, 4 is. MGS 2 is a masterpiece and a brilliant video game!
YWNBAW
Maybe that kid didn't take the pseudo-intellectual wank as gospel like you did.
Maybe he just liked the poster.
Or maybe he's a moron like all kojimbo drone?
SO BRAVE! *CLAPS*
Your tirade against transgender people has nothing to do with me, but your sick mind. Stop derailing video game threads with your transphobia, nobody cares you're a wretched person.
>And MGS2 has the most interruptions of gameplay of all time
No, I'm pretty sure mgs4 has that beat
mgs4 had the longest cutscene of all time
Codec calls are annoying, but that's the point. Ties into the themes and into Raiden as a character and the player stand-in. MGS IV is just masturbatory and overindulgent for no good reason.
It's awful, just pretend there's nothing past Snake Eater. It's the best way to approach the MGS franchise.
Eh, Peace Walker is ok but only if you go in expecting it to be what it was: Kojimbo's Monster Hunter siren for his son.
MGS 1, 2 and 3 are all I care about in the franchise.
>skipping peace walker, the best entry in the franchise
It's a bad game, but a bad movie salvaged by kojimbles. Like anon said if you like mgs it's good but it's a slog and nigh unplayable these days
Its bad and good in many ways but has the best final boss fight in any game ever pure distilled fan service
4 is mixed. Good gameplay and some great ideas but around the halfway point it kinda goes up it's own ass and you either accept it and go along with the ride or not
same same
it's like holy shit, this couldn't have been a ps1 game they did so much with so little
anyway op the gameplay is great the best is mgs2 but 1 and 3 have good gameplay
havent played 4 because its in ps3 prison
Felt the exact same way. Bought the PS2 trilogy pack when I was like 15 off eBay and played through them all during summer vacation.
Something about the opening just hooked me so hard and I had this inner sensation of, oh yeah this game is going to be fricking amazing.
I felt the same way when I played the bombing mission of FF7 around the same time.
Since then I've played most of the Kojumbo catalogue, I still haven't gotten around to MG1/2, or Policenauts though.
Policenauts is good. I haven't gotten to Snatcher (since only the Sega CD verison is 100% English).
MG1-2 are fine, but have aged in the ~40 years since they've released, obviously. You have to go in expecting them to be old and for the weird ass save/checkpoint system they got.
Snatcher is fricking great, emulated it on my Wii way back when. The original versions on the MSX are unfinished while the PCEngine and Sega CD versions are the proper releases of the game.
The PS1 and Saturn versions are pretty shit in my opinion, they changed the music in a way that it totally fricks with the mood of the entire game and it's censored. The Sega CD version is the one to play.
Emulates super easy.
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Oh shit. Sega CD isn't censored like Saturn?
Censorship on the breasts in the US version and I believe the gore on a dog, don't quote me on that. The Japanese version censors some of the gore.
The Saturn and PS1 versions show like a frame of gore and then pixel censor it I believe. Some sites said it censored the gore too.
Overall, the US Sega CD version is the least censored but they all cover a little bit.
It's just that PS1 and Saturn versions go overboard and censor a lot of shit.
I didn't play it until 2015 or so and I was blown away by how good it looked. They really wrung everything they possibly could out of the Playstation.
while I love mgs1, for me it was 2
I know everyone says that but like frick man, playing through it back then and everything seeming slightly off but you figure "well mgs1 was crazy so this is in line" and then in the final hours of the game, twist after twist, revelations, all culminating in that awesome sword fight on top of Federal Hall...
that was the first story in gaming that just made me sit down and think after it was over, it was kino as frick
2 was the one I played first and definitely played the most cuz my dad had it when I lived with him one summer and said outta all the shit he wants me to play this cuz it has a lot of important shit I need to start learning about.
only mgs2
It doesn't get good until 2, gameplay wise.
It has good gameplay but too short a story to show it. MGSV was a step in the right direction
What's good about the gameplay?
MGS1 is still my favorite of the franchise.
Not 2 3 or 5, but the gameplay is still solid and on par with Resident Evil 4.
They did release VR Missions to underline the cool gameplay.
Where would you place death stranding?
4 is the peak of the original metal gear style with incredible level design and fluidity with Octocamo. V is the gameplay peak overall admittedly.
It had some good moments, but it was too easy to just go guns blazing in normal gameplay, and there were way too many annoying gimmick sequences. That Eastern Europe chapter was inexcusably awful, and people tend to gloss over how annoying Shadow Moses was with all the goddamn Dwarf Gekkos.
MGS aged terribly bad. It was fine for the time, most PSX 3D games had terrible controls anyway.
MGS2 takes everything that works from MGS and removes the shit. MGS3 further refines it and is amazing in every aspect, MGS4 has a lot of improvements again but the issue is that the game has 20 minute-long gameplay sections followed by 1h of cutscenes, MGSV has amazing gamplay and focuses on an open world so it's very different from past releases.
There's also Peace Walker which is canonical and very important for the story, but it's gameplay kind of sucks due to being a PSP game.
Controls suck on PW, but the gameplay is above 3
PW might have sucked but it's still amazing they put it in a psp
>MGSV has amazing gamplay
Not sure I'd call it that amazing since they fell for the regenerating health meme which means they cut out a lot of the fun item use and interactivity from particularly MGS 3 and PW.
Also the lack of meaningful and entertaining boss fights, the story gets so bland.
MGS3 has you enter a pause menu every time you get a booboo or bug bite.
MGS1 plays like shit, even back in 1998.
MGS2/3 are a bit better but not that great gameplay wise.
MGS4 controls are ok, but the horrendously bad frame rate ruins the entire game.
Peace Walker is the same as MGS2/3.
MGSV is the only game in the franchise who plays and runs well.
Crazy how MGSV ran at locked 30 FPS on the PS3, but MGS4 constantly dropped bellow 15 FPS. What a dogshit game.
TPP framerate was way better than MGS4's, but it wasn't locked 30 my man
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MGSV is just a really well optimized game overall
It has good story gameplay.
What's good about it?
Both. I'm more a guy for narratives, and MGS so delivers in that regard that it's worth playing for that alone. And if you're into the spy thriller shit? You're gonna love it, especially Sons of Liberty and Snake Eater!
It's neither. You can't really dissect it into a single thing. People like peak Kojima games because it's a mushroom trip.
Both though the lack of pressure sensitive buttons sucks
People liked it for the story, the memes, and Solid Snake.
>Does this franchise have good gameplay
No.
>or do people just like it for the story?
Only ironically.
All of the games are bad, people just don't like to hear that. Kojima is a hack.
>MGS 2 isn't dogshit, 4 is. MGS 2 is a masterpiece and a brilliant video game!
More people like it because of the story but since MGS2 there are moments of gameplay that are fun and I genuinely enjoyed and could replay for hours.
Snake Eater speedruns are so creative and fun to watch, it's insane.
Gameplay needs alot of fixes unless you're used to below euro jank standards of mess with shitty controls. Story is just forgettable and the memes have past lived their glory days after the 2000s. Most of the games that came during it's time or after emulated a better feeling of those times and had tolerable gameplay on top of it such as Tomb Raider and Deus Ex. Don't fall for this scam.
>Story is just forgettable and the memes have past lived their glory days after the 2000s.
Nothing about this is forgettable and MGS isn't just a quirky landmine of quality memes to shitpost with. It's a game with a lot of insightful and thoughtful things in it, made with lots of passion and love for the form and all the works which inspired it.
>It's a game with a lot of insightful and thoughtful things in it
lol
I mean MGSV has some of the best gameplay in any game. The story is awful and there is a lot of wasted time traveling though
I'll wait for a steam sale on the collection.
I've played these games before, and they were good in the proper context. But I'm not going pay top dollar for it, knowing it's just meant to line Konami's pockets after they fricked up with "Survive" after firing their talent pool; then realizing they can't even make another MGS game without Kojima.
If you like SNEAKING NEAKING NEAKING NEAKING NEAKING then sure
>I don't know if it's worth getting into.
You sound like a pathetic human.
MGS1 is fabulous and the strongest as a game. MGS2 is better mechanically, but I was never really good at it. The setting, story, and characters are a massive downgrade from MGS1 with the exception being the Patriot AI monologue and the ending cutscene. MGS3 is the classic formula perfected, with the only sleight against it being the frequent menuing.
MGS4 is where it really started to get messy. While the gameplay is good, everything else about it is kind of shitty. It's something that I couldn't finish and it has really questionable performance, running sub 30 unless you have night vision enabled, at which point it would run at 60fps. Cutscenes also kill the momentum.
Peace Walker and MGSV are odd games. The mercenary thing makes it feel like it isn't really an MGS game, but they're fun in their own way. I think that Peace Walker's stuff work better for it than how it was implemented in MGSV. I didn't really believe it at first, but Ground Zeroes really is the best of MGSV because none of the extraneous BS in TPP is there. I don't necessarily mind the open world element, but it leaves a lot to be desired.
its the best stealth franchise ever made
Close
Hitman > MGS > Splinter Cell > power gap > Assassin's Creed > Thief
The series peaked with OP's pic.
The gameplay is shit
>MGS1 is too simplistic and there is just not enough stealth sections compared to action setpieces
>MGS2 is a major improvement but the improvements are something of a mixed blessing making the game both too hard and too easy.
>MGS3 adds some interesting but mostly unnecessary mechanics that slow gameplay down, it also adds 3D camera which makes the game better.
>MGS4 is a refinement of MGS3 in many ways but like MGS1 its main fault is a lack of stealth sections and the 3rd act in particular is pretty bad.
>Peace Walker is a bit too simplified but its interesting to see the roots of the ideas that would make up TPP
>MGS5 is fun but repetitive and the open world doesn't really add much, if you played GZ the open base level is where it should have been.
So the gameplay was never perfect in any of them but I would say it was part of the appeal.
>it also adds 3D camera
That was only added in Subsistence, the original release didn't have it.
The original camera is better anyway.
The gameplay is shit and MGS is a terrible attempt at a stealth game overall. The "story" is just weird weeb nonsense written by a guy who huffs his own farts while pretending to be a genius.
Fricking hell, this board really has been taken over by zoomers that have never even played a game as famous as MGS. Do zoomers literally not play anything besides Fortnite and streamerbait?
It's interesting, the gameplay gets better with each entry but the story gets worse. You really can tell Kojima was done with the IP but still wanted to make games and systems.
Just play Twin Snakes on the gamecube.
The gameplay sucks until 3 when it 180s into having the best gameplay of its era. 1 and 2 have cool ideas but are too restricted, they essentially turn into invisible line mazes with stop and go lights.
Objectively wrong. 3 has the worst gameplay out of any of them since you have to pause the game every 2 feet to go to the camo menu and switch your clothes.
These games are more like immersive sims where you pretend you're 007. They're pretty close to the experience you get watching a really great spy thriller. Though sometimes they dip into action movie territory. I never really liked how the games controlled, but once you play one long enough it becomes second nature.
Yes and no. You will probably hate it. But it is good if you can appreciate it.
yes
mgs1 has cool arcadey gameplay that switch it up a lot and have mini game-like boss fights and puzzles
mgs2 is similar to 1 but with simulation aspects and cool AI interactions
mgs3 is all out on the simulation and cool AI aspect of things
they're all fun and worth playing
dont listen to the contrarians here.
For me the first 4 were about story, then 5 took over with gameplay.