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But I like them
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What are some of your favorite goofy Bethesda dialogues?
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But I like them
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What are some of your favorite goofy Bethesda dialogues?
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a classic
Didn't the Broken Steel DLC fix that or something?
No, it just has you survive the chamber of certain death so the game becomes open-ended
You survive it now but you can send Fawkes in too. The game just calls you a coward for doing so.
>you're a coward for not needlessly dying
It's like the writers were mad that people criticized their work.
They were and probably still are.
>thinly veiled analogy of the sacrifice of Christ doesn’t work if the Christ figure chooses not to sacrifice himself
How many biblical references did you need the game to bang you over the head with?
If simple logic can deflate your "thinly veiled" (the password is the fricking bible passage) jesus allegory then maybe you need to write your scenario better. Maybe don't have three other npcs who could do it for you with no issue standing around telling you no for no reason.
Not saying it’s well written, but it was obvious from the start the PC would martyr himself.
Was it also obvious he would blow up a city for a shitty hotel room?
As soon as you get to megaton yes, it’s obvious you could blow up the nuke.
Bethesda tends to smack you over the face with the obvious end point of any plotline.
Maybe the river city Synth is obfuscated, but it’s a blade runner reference at the end of it.
The point is that a martyr ending is totally at odds with the entire game revolving around the ability to be cartoonishly evil in almost every interaction with someone. The whole jesus allegory (jesus didn't face his punishment willingly) kind of falls apart when your sacrifice can poison the river and possibly kill all life in the wasteland because a computer you talked to for a few minutes asked you to.
>jesus didn't face his punishment willingly
u wot m8?
The romans didn't give him a choice to die or not, he was about as willing as any other death row inmate. There also wasn't some great disaster or purpose that his death would have solved that he would choose to sacrifice himself for if he did have the chance, which is the whole point of the story.
Of course there wasn't a bigger, greener Jesus or a robot Jesus or a girl Jesus who could have been crucified in his place without any harm either.
>Shall I not drink the cup the Father has given me?
dumbass
>Of course there wasn't a bigger, greener Jesus or a robot Jesus or a girl Jesus who could have been crucified in his place without any harm either.
>The romans didn't give him a choice to die or not, he was about as willing as any other death row inmate. There also wasn't some great disaster or purpose that his death would have solved that he would choose to sacrifice himself for if he did have the chance, which is the whole point of the story.
Bro what the frick do you think happened in the New Testament. Literally every word of this is wrong. Wrong doesn’t even begin to cover the sheer magnitude of how much this post abhors the truth. You missed the point so badly it’s like you read cliff notes written by someone that missed the point, then missed the shitty, incorrect point they were making. It would honestly be less embarrassing for you if you hadn’t read anything and were making shit up just to try and have some kind of take on the subject. In fact I hope that’s what you’re doing because the thought of sharing the planet with someone so functionally illiterate is an existential burden on my soul
Why are you so red?
The game doesnt even continue afterward so they could have just scripted sequences to kill off companions in the final mission
Or otherwise inconvenienced them, like falling debris cutting them off from the player character. It feels like whoever wrote the ending simply forgot about the setting and rad immune companions rather than knowingly trying to "force" the allegory.
And someone writing something stupid because it is intended as a reference to foam adventure doesn't make the writing less stupid, moron
It's not an analogy, it's just hollow symbolism. The PC of Fallout 3 is not the only person who could turn on the purifier and doing so doesn't even slightly matter.
Just because Jesus died a martyr in the Bible doesn't mean the character has to, especially when he can achieve the objective he set out to AND survive.
This is a pointless sacrifice and not even remotely comparable to the death of Jesus and how it went down in the story.
your allegory should not change the narrative of your story to make itself work
the biggest reason people decry fallout 3's mediocre writing is that it doesn't attempt to justify itself in the slightest. theres a hundred different ways you could've had fawkes not be there in the chamber but instead you just tell the player no you have to do it. indicative of the game as a whole really
Christian allegories are so fricking lazy it's a sure sign of a hack writer. They are rarely done well but when they are they are great.
>It's like the writers were mad that people criticized their work.
They literally are. Bethesda writers not only are talentless hacks with high esteem of themselves while unfit for an HBO show, but they constantly engage in cognitive dissonance/denial whenever their amateurish attempt at writing are openly mocked
Some suspension of disbelief is obviously always necessary in games like these but Bethesda has really fricking jumped the shark. I also kind of hate how they've started pushing more supernatural/paranormal elements and literally introduced magic with that one ghoul in the Nuka World DLC
yeah but you get what you deserve for playing Nuka World. It exsists only to see how wacky bethesda can get away with
Did you miss the guy with the magic hat or the tunnel that echoes with memories of the dead both in base game?
There were paranormal stuff in the original games too. Apart from easter eggs, I remember being a ghost girl in the near start of F2
pete hines isn’t a writer
You can also send RL-3 in there under the same logic that the radiation can’t hurt him
Which I did, because now instead of sending my giant living friend in I’m basically send a combat drone to press the buttons to be extra careful
It was arguably just as bad as Fawkes insisting that it’s you’re destiny to die when RL-3 denies your order to press the button when the rest of the time he’s blissfully loyal to you as his squad leader, of all the times he grows some individuality it's either when your karma is too high or too low to be a non-biased commander or when you make the perfectly sound decision to send him in
Correct. You can get companions to go in.
yeah but then the ending slideshow basically calls you a b***h homie and instead praises the 'true hero' who saved the wasteland - you know, completely fricking discounting everything else you did to make that possible in the first place
Yes and the game calls you a coward twice for sending Fawkes in
>spiritual person that cares about destiny
>AAA YOU INCEL TRUST THE SCIENCE JUST CHANGE YOUR ENITRE LIFE VIEW BECAUSE I GOT HECKING 100 SPEECH YOU ALT RIGHT ANTI SCIENCE INCEL
maybe bad writers were the morons we met along the way
What the frick are you even trying to communicate here?
frick off back to plebbit newBlack person
Instead of getting mad, how about you start acting like a human?
That the guy who lived isolated for 100s of years with nothing but books would strongly adhere to the idea of inescapable destiny, and it’s not that moronic for fawkes to turn down entering the purifier in the name of destiny.
Charon is the bigger issue since he’s a slave essentially
It's the weird pajeet Fallout 3 fan
There is no chance you are older than 16
You never know with the /misc/ types.
Thats not me you stupid homosexual. Anyway I am trying to say waiting for fawkes to change his mentality in one sentence is stupid. fo 1 had good speech check where you need to collect evidence and also convince master with branching dialogue system at the end. If you really wanted to finish game with your tongue you need to work for it. NW had shit speech check, fo2 got little bit better but still shitty speech check.
Where was his mentality when he went to get the GECK for you? Should it not have been your "destiny" to do that yourself too?
Why does he think turning on the purifier is your destiny anyway? He's been in a vault his whole life, why would he know about the purifier, your dad or his involvement in building it, or anything in the wasteland at all?
person that cares about destiny
Okay, but WHY was it your destiny to have a nice day in the purifier to begin with? There's nothing about that possibly-deadly situation that is different from any of the other hundreds of possibly-deadly situations that came before. All of which were accomplished WITHOUT killing yourself in a totally preventable way, I might add.
If they had even a little bit justified that line of thought, it would be a little more acceptable. At the end of the day, it was a poorly-thought-out throwaway line meant to railroad you to a certain ending
>shoot fawkes in the head and loudly shit my pants
heh... that was your destiny, fricker...
>it's your destiny to die dying from radiation instead of having one of your companions immune to radiation doing the task instead.
Why?
>rapes you and kills you
There's your destiny homosexual
>>AAA YOU INCEL TRUST THE SCIENCE JUST CHANGE YOUR ENITRE LIFE VIEW BECAUSE I GOT HECKING 100 SPEECH YOU ALT RIGHT ANTI SCIENCE INCEL
Sounds about right for a fricking RPG where you should be able to build a charismatic character that can convince anyone to do anything with 100 Speech. Too bad Bethesda doesn't make RPGs.
>I hate sex! I hate society!
>*wants to have sex and partakes in society*
curious indeed
>meanwhile, in that moronic phone poster's house...
I like calling out the Riften gate guard for demanding a bribe somehow gets him to back off despite there being not a single person in the town who could or would do anything about it if they heard.
the duality of existence
>Sacrifice of Christ allegory in FO3 doesn't make sense because the player could just get the same thing done without the sacrifice - simply send someone immune - yet the game berates you for not killing yourself
>Sacrifice of Christ in the Bible doesn't make sense because Christ / YHWH could just get the same thing done without the sacrifice - simply choose to forgive humans without demanding blood to be spilled - yet Christians berate you for not accepting vicarious atonement
Todd is secretly a genius.
Or bible is "secretly" moronic.
Its about beating death moron
>please Me, spare this sacrifice from Me so that I do not have to suffer through the thing I have planned for Myself when I could have done literally any gesture or decree instead of having to die
>No
Bravo, Todd.
You don't understand the Bible
>thou shalt shitpost and obsess over dicky, and God said it was good
Peter 17:44
another good one, but too bad the fawkes one is dominating this thread.
Railroad is the shittiest faction i have ever seen in any game, ever. And all to jerk off the whole slavery bullshit, which is flawed on its own.
>the fawkes one is dominating this thread.
Which is fair tbh.
It's one of those things where it's such a gigantic and obvious issue created because of an oversight. It screams "they just didn't care"
The game wasn't supposed to have companions, but they put it in anyway knowing their entire ending hinged on you being alone with Sarah. And they didn't even bother writing something to at least justify the companions not being able to be with you
And then, after people complained about it, they went and mocked players from ever bringing it up
Thr only other game I can thing that has such a massive oversight is Dragon Age 2, which inexplicably allows you to play as a mage even though it's setting is supposed to be an almost police state where all mages are locked up and oppressed
The companion issue is just a symptom of the real problem, which is that the conceit of the main quest is fundamentally moronic. A water purifier is not that fricking important. You just have to distill it, the radioactive isotopes are very heavy. This is confirmed in universe to be effective even with fallout's weird quasi-magic radiation. It doesn't require state of the art science or a fricking GECK, and it's not worth fighting a war or killing yourself over.
As bad as the railroad seems I haven't played 4 so I don't know the full extent so dawngard for skyrim remains the worst thing I've ever seen.
The fact that you can side with the faction that's fricking namesake of the dlc feels like a total afterthought. From all the advertising and there only being one questline no matter who you pick makes it obvious they didn't even consider that people might not want to be a super vampire. The leader who hates vampires and wants to kill them all being totally fine with your vampire waifu companion walking around their castle with a fricking elder scroll on her back is such a total disregard for their own completely self contained story that it absolutely boggles the mind that even the laziest writer would be ok with it.
“We paid for the voice actor b***h, you’re going to listen to her” is the reason
No no, they're like equally good options.
With the Dawnguard you can
>become part of an organization with a bunch of no-names
>follow orders from some brown dude with a smoking problem
With the vampires you get
>ownership of a castle
>lordship over an entire clan of vampires
>cool vampire powers (including immortality)
>your vampire waifu and her hot mum living with you
Basically the same
doing the morally right thing is usually a thankless job
>the morally right thing
You end up doing the same thing with the Vampires anyway
>oh but you stop the vampires attacks with the Dawnguard
You do it with the Volkihar too, in fact most quests are about killing bothersome vampires with no discretion
the only way to play FO4 is to be sarcastic as much as you can
yooo shiiieeeet mama murphy dis here wanderer helped us les axe him if he wants ta join us
Bethesda is bad at writing but they're awful at writing Fallout even more.
There's not a single original idea in their games, what isn't ripped off from Fallout 1 and 2 is ripped off other media
Why the frick are the Brotherhood of Steel everywhere? Why is there scorpions on the colder climates of the East Coast?
>Why the frick are the Brotherhood of Steel everywhere?
Because the Blades were everywhere and Bethesda realized they couldn't cross them into a different franchise, so they settled for the faction that kinda looked like them.
To this day the exchange between the Enclave computer and the Fallout 3 MC where you """convince""" it to kill itself is the funniest fricking thing.
>I am President Kimball, I lead the Enclave as the legitimately elected leader of America
"No you're not, you're a computer"
>No I'm not, I'm President Kimball
"You're an abomination. You should have a nice day"
>Okay
It was so surreal. There's probably thousands of stories about a sentient computer that's programmed to think it's a real human, even a previously alive human, and Bethesda couldn't even be bothered to rip one off. They could've done something so basic like maybe having the MC create a program that allows it to understand that it's not the real President, then persuade it to de-activate using it's own logic (Not the legitimate president, not eligible to lead the Enclave/America), but they didn't even do that. Instead you have such a commanding knowledge of [Science] that it just commits suicide. Can a computer even commit suicide, does it have the will necessary to make a choice like that? In Fallout 3 no one gives a shit.
Kimball was the NCR dude. John Henry Eden was the computer
at least the science check is the old star trek logic paradox, the speech one is so amazingly stupid I genuinely feel sorry for whichever fallout dev came up with the Master's death having to endure it daring to exist in comparison
Not Bethesda but in Dying Light 2 the first act has you lynched by a mob of moronic villagers who can barely cooperate enough to board up an old church for shelter. Despite having several years there's no power until you come along and dab all over the villagers setting up power. Then when you side with the good guy cops the game calls you a Nazi.