You may have noticed Squares usual constant drop of DQ spin offs and side games have stopped. Thats because all possible hands are on deck to try and make Dragon Quest 12 not be a total disaster.
The goal was a dark and serious game "because westerners like Dark Souls and Game of Thrones" to try and get a wider target audience. This did not go as planned. They spent a full 9 months just trying to make a Slime and Dracky look "adult" and the best they got was something that looked like if the FFXIII art team tried to design a model for Twilight Princess. To say nothing of characters that have repeatedly alternated between "more Majin Bu era Dragonball" Toriyama influenced designs and realistic designs comparable to the characters in FFXVI. However XVI's underperformance has lead to a current shift back to a more Toriyama inspired design. Which means EVERY model is going through its minimum 7th "final" revision.
The game is an action combat game comparable to Final Fantasy Remake/Rebirth with some elements inspired by Breath of the Wild such as a stamina wheel for climbing.
The game has been restarted four times and the current build is not generating positive responses internally. This is why every other project like the Dragon Quest 3 HD-2D remake have been shelved.
Don't be surprised when this underperforms and we see DQ13 look like DQ11. At this point Square just seems to want this mistake put out to make any return on investment so they can put out a traditional DQ as soon as possible.
This series is the blandest garbage in the genre so anything new will be an improvement
No one but you wants shit to replace the egg in their scrambled egg, moron. Take your ADHD meds.
If they make the same cookie cutter then I will just continue to ignore this uninspired series. Builders is better anyways
flopping
>Top 10 best fraction of a fraction!
It takes special kind of moron to save that pic and think 'Yep, this will show them'.
Its as if they don't have enough IQ to process what the chart means or indicate beyond a simple list of 1, 2 and 3.
Gollee!! 336,000 sales! That’s almost as much as FFIII sold on release decades ago!
Dragon Quest Monsters 3 launched to 346k btw.
Good. I’ll never forgive what they did to my wife
Every single JRPG you play is informed and colored by Dragon Quest and it's sad that you lack any sort of respect for the games that define entire genres.
>top10
>japan
>meanwhile worldwide
>cant even break top10 in the US and EU as a fricking PS5 exclusive on PS5
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Yeah XVI flopped you dumb troony
Schizo
Gacha gay confirmed
>Dragon Quest
>bland
Dragon Quest 4-6 has more creativity and charm than 90% of the gaming industry combined
Like what? I played 4 and 5 and all i did was get the metal sword in the casino in 5 and press A until i got the dragon staff in the underwolrd final level nice game.. 4 was atleast some what interesting with torneo businnes arc
FPBP
Don’t know why OP had to write a long ass essay to prove a point
Vanilla isn't the default because it's bland, it's because it's popular and people love it. Your perception of blandness is heavily swayed by the fact DQ was genre defining and you've seen it mimicked in everything.
fpwp
Source?
Cute Paws 😀
It came to me in a dream
>FFXVI flopping saved DQ12
Thank you Yoshi P
Are they going to shill DQ12 or KH4 now that Rebirth is out
What's the next big title
sora is rumored to show up in inside out 2 so my guess its time for kh4 marketing to start
Zootopia 2 for KH4
Where did you hear that
>Are they going to shill DQ12
Everytime SquEnix has tried this in the past decade it has failed. That's why they haven't shilled a DQ game since XI S despite three console titles releasing since then and several ports making their way to PC.
If what OP says is true, then KH4 would have to be next if DQ12 really is in such a rough state.
Unless they want to have either an empty marketing gap or push a smaller title that is.
dq3 remake isnt shelved its delayed so it can be a switch 2 launch title (will seriously move units in japan)
wouldn't Toriyama dying spark more of a desire to return to form than an unrelated franchise game "underperforming"
You larpers act like DQXII and FFXVI were going to be exactly the same visually when it's far more likely XII was fashioned around Tales of Arse or something
Find this hard to believe.
You can have the old art style and still be dark and serious, you just be dark and serious through the writing. The characters, the story, the quests.
People associate Toriyama's art style with the series, and even older games could do dark and serious at points without compromising the other stuff.
Nah, I call fake. I expect when it was announced, it was literally greenlit a week prior and had next to no work done, so the whole time has just been pure development.
I don't see a source, but your roleplay is believable enough for squenix and lines up with everything that's being said so far about the game.
who cares, palworld mogged them
people will play along with schizo posts just so they can get a dopamine rush for shitting on square enix x1000000
tell square to go full disney on the artstyle
>trash localization
>dark and edgy "mature" story
>turn based system dropped
wooooow it's almost like the entire thing has been slopped to cater to westerners, makes you think
>turn based system dropped
woooow it's almost like they might make a good game for once
kys and go back to your final fantasy flop slop
>has been slopped to cater to westerners, makes you think
westerners who are interested in jrpgs are 99% weebs or troonys, they need cute shit and hot girls, but these gays will never understand this
We just had DQM3 last year and it was announced in June. There's still a chance some spin-off is announced in a couple months. Not to mention IIIR
and go full bg3 on the gameplay
>Remove Dragon Quest's charm by making story darker
>Make models realistic
>NO TURN BASED FOR FRICKING DRAGON QUEST
I'm telling you guys, Avengers should have killed Square Enix.
I cannot imagine a company on God's green Earth being this fricking stupid.
Dragon Quest's charm by making story darker
Do you people play DQ games?
Granted I never played IV, VII, or IX, but pretty much all the others aren’t that dark at all. People will sometimes die but the whole thing is rendered in a cartoony way. They’re plots that conceivably could have been communicated on the SNES. That’s why DQ fans like the series.
They really aren’t dark in any way that’s darker than something you’d find in a cartoon. V is particularly sad at points but it’s still nothing that would be too much for a kid to handle
And Horii was saying darker in comparison to XI, which was notably lighter than several prior DQ games.
Yes I do. I've played all of them and none of them go "dark". One of the saddest and darkest things to ever happen in the series happens in XI and gets turned back because it's out of tone for the series.
>Avengers should have killed Square Enix.
Guardians of the Cringefest too
I have never seen a Marvel movie or show but I did play Guardians of the Galaxy because it was >free on PS+ and it had an easy platinum. I actually kind of enjoyed it. I'm glad it ended before wearing out its welcome.
Conversely having to run a maze of dailies with a bunch of characters I give no fricks about forever and ever (Avengers) sounds like the most unappealing game imaginable.
>action slop again
i gota admit they have balls. mainline dq is the most sacred of cows in japan with an extremely strict tradition of how it must be made.
i want to see this trainwreck happen.
Wasn't IX supposed to be an ARPG and Japan started getting their torches and pitchforks?
Yes
>The game is an action combat game comparable to Final Fantasy Remake/Rebirth
So it's trash then. Enjoy another flop SE.
Could a main line DQ flopping result in Square Enix going under?
Nah, it'll just mean fewer games overall. One every 10ish years, that will be filled with all the stuff people liked 5 years before it released and somehow worse combat.
>The game is an action combat game comparable to Final Fantasy Remake/Rebirth with some elements inspired by Breath of the Wild such as a stamina wheel for climbing.
Source for this claim, because if true then DQ is dead to me.
It was reported years ago that it would have a "new" combat system, if you think coming from Square Enix that "new" combat style means anything other than dynamic / action styled then you are as moronic as they are.
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2021/05/dragon_quest_xii_the_flames_of_fate_is_a_more_adult_dragon_quest_has_player_choice_new_combat_style
The announcement of DQXII was incredibly vague and had nothing to really latch onto.
It's why people saying it will be an action game expose themselves as the biggest newbies of all, because "changing the gameplay" can be applied to most DQ games comparative to their prior entries.
DQ1 was a 1v1 JRPG.
DQ2 introduced the party system, completely changing how you engage with the gameplay.
DQ3 introduced the jobs mechanic and expanded the party, completely changing how you engage with the gameplay.
DQ4 utilized a consistent larger party you'd switch out, introduced tactics, and the first four chapters of the game are all individual adventures instead of the game being one straight adventure, completely changing how you engage with the gameplay.
DQ5 added the monster recruitment mechanic and abandoned the consistent party idea, completely changing how you engage with the gameplay.
DQ6 introduced a wide variety of recruitable characters and expanded the monster recruitment to the point where you can recruit an optional high level boss, and added the vocation system.
DQ7 greatly expanded the vocation system and changed the game from exploring the whole world to exploring separate continents using fragments.
DQ8 was the first fully 3D game, it introduced an automap, and it added smaller additions like tension or alchemy.
DQ9 and 10 are blatantly some of the most different games in the series.
DQ11 is really the only one that can feel kind of "samey" in regards to gameplay, and even then that is almost exclusively to the 3DS version of DQ8.
>DQ1 was a 1v1 JRPG
Is it like the shortest JRPG ever?
shesez is a gay
This is the actual source for this and all it actually says is the command battle system will be overhauled.
https://www.jp.square-enix.com/recruit/career/pickup/dq12/index.html
Yeah, so it's just DQ getting back on track after 9 and 10 were vastly different and 11 was mostly a return to form.
I don't trust Google translate, anybody got an actual translated version of what's said here?
i dont like how 12 is moving away from turn based. I dont want it to end up like remake/birth's playstyle
>destroys what they have created to appeal to the big market of westerners
why is EVERY FRICKING GAME doing this now
>actionslop
Another guaranteed flop then. Enjoy the title of "worst selling DQ game of the millennium".
yuji HORI is the last man standing and dragon quest isn't the behemoth it used to be
>You may have noticed Squares usual constant drop of DQ spin offs and side games have stopped. Thats because all possible hands are on deck to try and make Dragon Quest 12 not be a total disaster.
Since the release of XI S in 2019, there has been
>the fourth major DQX expansion (Oct. 2019)
>DQ Tact for phones (July 2020)
>DQ Dai: A Hero's Bonds for phones (September 2021)
>the fifth major expansion for DQX (November 2021)
>Dragon Quest X Offline (September 2022)
>DQ Treasures (December 2022)
>DQX's version of the second major expansion (May 2023)
>DQ Champions for phones (June 2023)
>Infinity Strash: Dragon Quest - The Adventure of Dai (September 2023)
>the sixth major DQX expansion (2024)
What part of this looks like DQ content has stopped releasing.
Frick, other departments wouldn't even help with DQXII because the people working on the spin-offs are either phone game devs or MMORPG devs.
>To say nothing of characters that have repeatedly alternated between "more Majin Bu era Dragonball" Toriyama influenced designs
That's not how anyone would refer to that era of Toriyama's designs, in addition to that being an art style Toriyama hasn't touched since 1994.
>At this point Square just seems to want this mistake put out to make any return on investment so they can put out a traditional DQ as soon as possible.
And finally, Square has no involvement with the creative side of DQ. They may be developing it, but the art, music, and the IP are owned by separate companies or Yuji Horii himself. They merely have exclusive publishing rights.
have a nice day. Everyone else in this thread should do the same since none of you have played a DQ game.
Also DQ Monsters 3
Great game
If I want a cool character-action game, I play DMC. If I want a cool ARPG I play PoE. If I want a technical challenge i play a fighting game (I have a few I like). If I want something loud and silly I play any old Platinum game.
If I want to play a cozy JRPG I don't want actionslop. If a JRPG has action-combat I'm just not buying it. Nothing else really matters until this one common through-line is understood, and until it is I simply won't buy SE games.
There is not a single person in this thread who has played a DQ game.
I've played 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, joker 2, Builders 1 & 2, Warriors 1, and Rocket Slime.
Favorites have been 6, Joker, and Rocket Slime.
>only good DQ is 7
>skipped right over it
I wanted to play it, but my 3ds broke right around the time of the remake, I don't really feel like getting a new one just for that, and my patience for older hardware has diminished over the years.
I want to, just not a good way to for me yet.
>just not a good way to for me yet.
just emulate with crt shaders at high resolution or use an actual crt
they are missing absolutely nothing
I'm more confused and disturbed by the fact that Goku is sleeping in the same bed as Pan to begin with.
the only one i haven't played is x. cope
I did Black person. played through DQM and DQ 1 to 6. currently on DQ 7 for the 3DS.
Black person.
my homie goku coolin
>The game is an action combat game
I fricking hope Japan riots.
If I were to address an issue with the series it would be the tonal whiplash and lack of variety when it comes to music. The games already do serious stories but the happy town music keeps on playing during sad or intense sequences, it's pretty jarring. Beating DQ7 made me realize how god damn sick I was of always hearing the same 3 tracks everywhere. I want variant themes to spice things up.
Maybe with 12 they'll finally get someone who puts in the slightest bit of effort now
I think this was what really stopped me from getting into the series. Like most kids getting into RPGs in the 90’s I was naturally more inclined to FF because of the 3rd person camera in combat to show more action, but I still played DQ 1&2 on the GB, then III as well once that released. By the time I got around to VIII since I somehow never saw VII, I was just unimpressed by the OST. There were some standout tracks of course, but by and large it was exactly what you’re describing. In FF you were hearing a wild variety of tunes that evoked tons of emotion, but in DQ it was like hearing town music everywhere.
8’s overworld theme is worth everything
Sugiyama was a fricking weird composer, he phoned it in like 95 percent of the time but that 5 percent where he actually gives a frick he knocks it out of the park every time.
>The game is an action combat game comparable to Final Fantasy Remake/Rebirth
Ah, so a game that plays itself so I have no need to buy it
>DQ11 sold well because it appears to be what our audience wants AAA JRPGs to be
>however we must appeal to the west by turning every RPG into a dark and gritty hack and slash
Whenever has the specific genre of hack and slash action games been popular. This is another level of corporate moronation.
Where I fall off is:
>our old JRPG games that sold 10m+ were all turn-based
>we have never gotten close to that with action-combat but THIS time for sure!
You'd think one person in their board room or among their executives would notice.
Has anyone at square ever taken a look at how fricking moronic the fricking London stab combat that the games fricking idle on looks in their "action" rpgs? I have never seen one tha didn't look fricking moronic. Do they think that looks cool?
>our old JRPG games that sold 10m+ were all turn-based
then why didn't octopath 2 live a live, and triagnle strategy?
None of those are big names
Casual sheep ignore anything that isn't directly advertised to them 100 times or heavily suggested by the mainstream, people do not notice these low budget titles and if they do notice disregard them for being such. What's astounding is both Bravely and Octopath have sold around just under 2 mil for each of their titles, whilst FF16 lingers at uncertain 3 mil despite probably costing them much more.
>then why didn't octopath 2 live a live, and triagnle strategy?
Normalgays.
>Octopath 2
Octopath 1 did sell gangbusters and was shit, so of course a sequel, no matter how good it's viewed, sells worse. Especially with an ad campaign like the first game's.
>Live A Live
Remake of a niche SNES game that less than a million overseas played to begin with as the only way to do so was a fan patch. This was always a budget title.
>Triangle Strategy
Unironically the name. Octopath is already too on the nose, but there's at least SOME abstraction there compared to "Triangle". It was too much.
Note that I enjoy all three of these games. I'm hopeful they at least sell enough to keep Team Asano alive.
The irony is that most of SE's smaller games do good enough. These titles don't have 8 years of dev-hell with millions of dollars wasted in assets and restarts.
I'm not going to shit on it yet. I'll need to see some gameplay before I do that, but if this action-meme has infested SE this badly then I'm not hopeful.
>Square Enix
oh and don't forget the forced ESG. DEI and garbage TRANSlation on the top of that. it's dead on arrival.
They should just return back to customisable characters like 9 if they want to force that shit, that way I can make all my guys white and blacks can continue to not play the game.
>Monkeys Paw
>Customisable Characters (Limited)
>All characters have a defined character and general look
>Customisation is limited to class (clothes), race and some clothes and small hair differences
>You have to put with gays only posting art of the black versions of the character and pretending they are the canon forever
haha Dragon Quest X Offline (JAPANESE EXCLUSIVE) has Type 1/2 instead of male/female. it's really over for Squre Enix. they've been completely conQUEERed by american idpol.
>Dragon Quest X Offline (JAPANESE EXCLUSIVE) has Type 1/2 instead of male/female
Source for that?
I don't see anything when I search about it and google translate on screenshots isn't really helping.
Yeah I played it on pc. It does say Type 1/2. It's stupid, gay and the only time it has modern crap in it.
can you show properly translated screenshots?
I don't have X offline installed, but give I do have builders.
I meant from the Japanese version.
alright I see, thank you.
Guess it's just like Palworld then.
Yeah. it's the same way in X offline. It's strange as it feels really forced. You still get called a boy or girl and are referred to as such the whole game. It really feels like something they're forced to do.
The new dragon quest builders release also changed gender for type 1 and 2. Funny enough they left all the dialogue the same. So you get called a boy or girl depending on the choice.
>this is the average type of person that will be in DQ12 threads when it comes out
blame square enix for letting american politics rot their games
I recommend reddit if you want hugbox threads.
My issue is more the lack of people who play DQ.
Seems like this thread is just filled with FF fans who use DQ as a soapbox to whine about Square Enix.
I’m a DQ fan who wants to whine because they suck
You're a fricking moron then, since you're eating up obvious made up clickbait.
No I’m not they really really suck. I’m playing V right now and Hay was absolutely unbearable to read through
>I'm a DQ fan but I hate every DQ.
I love DQ I just think Square sucks as a company and that they should do a better job translating. Hay was unbearable because the NPC’s grammar absolutely breaks and they try to force a country accent that doesn’t even resemble any real one
Why is DQ so unpopular in the West?
>The 3DS, PS4, and Switch versions sold a total of 5,000,000 units in Japan.
>By December 2021, the game had shipped over six million copies worldwide.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Quest_XI
Westerners only care about FF. Just look at this thread supposedly about DQ.
We don't have the nostalgia for it
It'd be like if we only started getting Pokemon in gen 3, and only dedicated fans ever dredged up and played gens 1 or 2.
not really. we got the first game.
yet it didn't sell that well and Nintendo had to unload their unsold stock by giving away free copies to Nintendo Power subscribers.
because the first game was marketed as "Dragon Warrior" and was completely off the mark to how DQ really was like.
Because we didn’t get it until after final fantasy
The western release of Dragon Warrior was like a year before FF1.
And it was free.
nta but I think FF1 just had a better presentation than Dragon Warrior. FF1 was always going to be the more popular series in the west.
Doesn't change the fact that DQ did start in the West first.
My point wasn't "Oh no, why isn't DQ successful", the reality is just that FF had more edge at a time when Americans wanted edge. It fell off as it became more traditionally Japanese at a time when Americans were rejecting Japanese games.
I was making a point by choosing to use the word "presentation". Americans then, and even now, want to be able to see their own characters and watch them perform actions; like action-figures against a fantasy themed backdrop. In Dragon Warrior, it is just menus and a screen of the monster unmoving other than the timely flash of their attack; versus Final Fantasy's view of the entire party against a potential crowd of enemies. Right away, the latter is a more exciting and cinematic experience for the viewer.
I think it has more to do with the fact that Square willingly skipped localizing some FF games to get the more up to dates ones released sooner.
Because the game is localized in a way it's embarrassing to play it if you're over 6 years old.
I played DQ11 recently and was blown away by how moronic the localisation is. The characters speak in normal Japanese, but they're given moronic comical European regional accents in the localisation.
I always loved that shit, makes every place feel more unique
I think they could at the very least tone it down. I’ll admit I quite enjoy Rab’s scottishness
I don't think you understand just how much of DQ is filled with very specific turns of phrases and puns that make a lot of the dialog virtually impossible to translate without losing the intent. You can cry all day about shit like this but if the game was "localized" the way you seemingly want, it would be an incoherent mess.
oh so we cant translate it without moronic accents?
The accents are based as frick. I wish more games did more to differentiate between certain cultures/kingdoms etc within their own games.
It's more immersive and feels more alive, just like when authors do it in books for a specific character with a heavy accent.
Or when accents are chosen for reasons in shows. Quite frankly I don't understand why out of all media consumption Video Games have the biggest blandest mouthbreathers.
might be because with TV/movies you can just pump out live shows and reality TV ad nauseum to distract them from complaining about other content, while games take a while more to produce, develop and get out. Meanwhile mouthbreathers don't even bother with books.
the accents are fricking gay
Nah, it's Sovl. You're most likely just a subhuman american golem who wants one "le christian white monoculture."
>these are the leaps and bounds accentgays have to make to defend their shit taste
It only worked for 3 because the world map was loosely based on real life. It's pretty jarring to walk into the desert town and everybody is going HON HON HON LE FIRE TEMPLE. Christ, one of the towns in dq7 has people going DUUDE and it completely ruins the mood.
>It only worked for 3 because the world map was loosely based on real life.
????
It works plenty in real life, they're inspired based off cultures/architecture and society in those areas. A majority of the Japanese names for places/people and locations in Dragon Quest exist to specifically convey the point to Japanese people.
In Japan, Camus's name for example in Japan heavily relates to a specific European culture, but in the west we wouldn't have that same distinction immediately for the name Camus. Erik gets the point across much better for what they want you to relate Erik's character to.
I'm struggling to understand your explanation, anon.
That's not true. I know very basic japanese and you can get through these games just fine. These people just want to fruit up the script because they're failed writers.
"I know japanese!!!!" you took a year long course and all of the turns of phrase and jokes likely go right over your fat little head, weeb
shhh, don't offend him or he'll write 4 paragraphs about how superior nippon keystrokes make
the direct "basic" Japanese translation better.
Yeah and I bet you're the type to defend this crap.
looks like weebslop drivel made to shove out to the common denominator that I'd never play.
Also not dragon quest, chuddie :^)
Nothing like this occurs in the translations of DQ, which is why you decided to use a screenshot from some literally who JRPG.
I posted the image because its a slippery slope. You defend changes and next thing you know we'll be called incels and chuds in these games.
>muh slippery slope!!!!!!
We are 12 games into the franchise anon you're being a fearmongering homosexual
That's very mean of you to say. I opted to not take the gay courses because they don't teach you anything past the basic n5 stuff. I'm a few years into it already but I don't consider myself proficient yet because I'm going to study first hand in japan. These games are made for children and the accents and tonal changes made in the localizations completely change the game for no reason.
the games are made for everyone, which is why it's such a staple in japanese culture. I would much prefer the attempt be made to evoke the same whimsical and quirky writing style than to try and translate everything one-to-one like some sort of autist.
you get that from the characters and the game itself then
why was meena and maya's country french?
>Some and lines puns have no equivalent
>Let's rewrite every line and character including the completely understandable ones
Uh huh
Like I said, some of the writing is just not possible to translate one to one in order to deliver the same meaning.
Anon children and old men play these games. Someone with an n4 can get through these games with no problem. There's changes for easier comprehension, and just stupid changes like giving everyone fruity accents.
ok but that doesnt mean random characters need to go HOWDY YALL PARDNER like that one guy in 4 who is literally the only person in the entire game to do that.
Are you illiterate? Some lines can't be understood so every line needs to be changed?
>some lines are untranslatable
Arguably, yes
>so let's just completely rewrite everything
Frick off
So what's the need to change every location then? Why is nagimuna "lonalulu" in the XI localization? There's so many examples of these useless changes.
localizer shills are dishonest
lonalulu is the better name for that kind of location
it's not that the changes are bad to them, it's that they aren't "japanese enough" for these fat weeaboo gays
But is it the intended name? You people clearly don't want japanese games or media. You want it to appeal to your sense of humor and sensitivities.
So you admit you're just mad that the game removed the "japanese words" in an english translation. You're a fricking geek.
I must be getting old because there too much of you guys now a days. Thank god I'm done playing these games in english. It's sad that we're at a point where removing the source material is praised. We're a minority as it is. Fighting over this crap is sad. But I'll never understand your point of view. Playing these games properly is amazing and made me love the language. All the charm gets ripped away in the dub for "humor" and "accents".
go post on 2ch and get laughed at by people who actually speak Japanese, nobody wants you here.
I don't want to be japanese. I don't see how this is a "own". I just love the media and language. I'm working towards being a translator for this very reason.
Your issue is blind love for their media and language, and being able to understand what a purpose of a localization is.
The fact you make a gigantic part of your identity your worship for all things Japanese alone is the main reason anything you type about this will be layered in unabashed bias.
But I don't worship it. I just don't appreciate how changed the media is. There's blowback in manga and anime circles right now because of how bad we have it right now.
>I just don't appreciate how changed the media is.
I simply do not care of the localization is a better product, and pic related the localization is the better product.
you're literally this lol
Yes? If you want to directly translate something, learn the language. It isn't that hard. I suppose you could hire someone to translate it for you, if you're that against learning the language itself.
Ahhh.... hajimemashite my fellow japanese enjoyer!!!!
>we're at a point where removing the source material is praised
Nah, no one ever gave a shit. The only time where there was a small blockback was with WD and this is only because the localized version had game breaking bugs on top of being twice as hard. Genuinely no one gives a shit that you think adding dialects to english localization of a game that already has japanese dialects is "removing source material" that isn't even fricking removed in the first place, no one is burning the japnese copy, you can still play it...
I don't really get the mindset of defending an obvious butchery, but I guess the alternative is acknowledging you played and enjoyed fricked up joke versions of the series.
>y-you're a geek!
>y-you're a weeb!
Literally me.
> You people clearly don't want japanese games or media.
The frick do I look like to you, a fricking gaijin weeb? I enjoy Toriyama's artstyle and the localizations fit Toriyama's artstyle completely that makes Dragon Quest an enjoyable experience.
Simple as.
There are things that can be directly translated and things that can't. Accents and puns don't work well and you are better off looking for some cultural equivalent (requiring a decent grasp of both cultures). Cultural and historical references can be kept intact, it's exotic and interesting. Names of characters and places can also be kept as they are (unless they are puns). The rest can be kept as it is. Some localizers complain about Japanese being a dry language and end up disrespecting the original writer's vision with their fanfic shit.
Please show me the "fanfic shit writing" in dragon quest you are referring to.
The one posted ITT. I was also speaking about localizations in a general sense.
the french accents? How is that fanfic shit when its meant to evoke that you're in a foreign land?
When the original writing says "the curtains are blue" and the localization isn't "the curtains are blue". Translations of intent should be saved for situations where a literal translation isn't possible. You are not the writer, you will never be the writer. You do not live in their head to know if "curtains" really meant curtains or if "blue" was some metaphor for early 20th century Koreans or whatever. It's for the best to respect the writer's intent as much as possible because that's what people bought the game for, not your own original story on top of their story.
Localizers have already gone on record talking about "fixing" the original script, imposing their own visions, values, etc. This goes as far back as the NES when the names of towns got changed because "it was too silly". Who are they to define what's silly? Can I also import their books and change terms to accomodate my own culture's sensibilities? Is it really a cultural thing and not just me treating my own individual, subjective views as an objective form of measurement? These are all things that should be taken into consideration when it comes to localization, to avoid imposing and respecting the writer's work.
Does the original text have french accents or anything even vaguely resembling it?
>n-no but-
yeah thought so. stfu
I like the accents more
Why don't you play some game where that's the intent? Go look for media that specially creates that world that you like. Don't force it where it doesn't belong.
>Why don't you play some game where that's the intent?
I did, it's called the North American release of Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age
Yeah because you're defiling the source material.
>Defiling
Incorrect, nobody defiled the source material. I played the game, as square enix, the games creator intended for me to play it.
and why don't YOU just play games in their native language if you're gonna have an autistic meltdown over it?
Why can't I select the japanese text as an option then? I clearly can't play the game as intended because the fanfiction that you like has replaced the script.
>Why can't I select the japanese text as an option then?
You do that when you purchase the game, surely when you went to purchase the game you didn't make the mistake of buying the NA version, instead of the Japanese version? Right? Only a moron would do that when they clearly were wanting the Japanese version.
You can't use that as an excuse when everything except the mainline games let you.
There isn't an excuse. That is literally how the game is sold, I'm sorry you were the moron who bought a localized version instead of the Japanese copy of the game.
Maybe try being a more informed consumer next time, and you wouldn't make such an elementary mistake.
As an informed consumer I want dragon quest as it was intended. Why not change the name if it's not going to be the same game that the japanese get? At that point keep the dragon warrior name.
>As an informed consumer I want dragon quest as it was intended.
And you bought it, however you seem to have bought the wrong language option. Localizations, different voice actors, etc all cost money, and therefore the Japanese version will be a different copy than the English one.
You however seem to not be an informed consumer, as you made the mistake to purchase the NA version of the game, when you clearly wanted the Japanese version of the game, and refused to put in the research to get the copy of the game you wanted.
Maybe next time try being a more informed consumer!
>no you don't understand I HAD TO translate Ken's name to "Buongiorno Mario the Plumber Extraordinarie" and make him talk in broken italian there was simply no other way to translate this npc speaking in normal japanese!!
They did a good job with dq11
only moronic low iq weebs cry about this shit
>OMG I HAVE TO READ MORE WORDS?!?!?!?
>made up fanfic is good... because it just is OK??
lol shill aren't even subtle at this point
They went all in on making the mermaid speak in rhyme, adding some actual fricking flavor to this otherwise forgettable side adventure
They don't care for japanese media dude. They would defend the game having zoomer speak if thats how they were told to defend it.
I'm glad you like it. I won't let that deter me and other who want to enjoy this media properly. I hope when things improve and these games start being localized better we'll all still enjoy it.
>I won't let that deter me and other who want to enjoy this media properly.
Congratulations, your way of enjoying the media "properly" is by playing the Japanese version!
You're not the intended target of a localization.
You can only choose one
Trick Question?
Just one? Fricking Marth, hate how chilled he is despite being a literal nobody from a game nobody has played.
Fire emblem has to go
wise.
Xenoblade needs to disappear.
I wish I could choose all of them.
Xenogears, Saga, and Blade.
Final Fantasy. Fire Emblem at least has good gameplay and good stories (but never at the same time lol), DQ still releases good games even if they aren't as imaginative as they once were, and Xenoblade is being made by talented devs.
But final fantasy? Game after game, year after year they're just an utter embaressment that makes all of their old games look worse with their disgusting shit. Their writing has become terrible, their character designs have no soul anymore, their gameplay keeps getting trimmed down into the most braindead action possible. Action combat is meant to be engaging by being fast instead of deep, they trade all of the depth and variety from their older games for the worst action combat I've ever seen. The series has virtually no redeeming qualities left and even their desperate rehash of VII is just making a worse copy of the original that barely sells anymore.
I haven't played their MMO so I don't know if it suffers the same problems as their mainline games, but XIV was dogshit and it was made by the same guy so I can't imagine its much more interesting.
>XIV was dogshit and it was made by the same guy
FFXIV and DQX don't share any staff.
>The series has virtually no redeeming qualities left and even their desperate rehash of VII is just making a worse copy of the original that barely sells anymore.
Gonna be interesting to see when they cannot rely on FF7 anymore
Final Fantasy if I was going for a mercy kill
Xenoblade if I wanted be spiteful to the one with gaygiest fandom on this board
Europe didn't even get it until VIII at which point the series celebrated it's 20th anniversary in Japan.
Because it missed the SNES and almost the whole PS1 console cycle. Dragon Warrior IV came out in 1992 when people already moved onto the SNES and Genesis, and the next game was Dragon Warrior VII in 2001 when the Dreamcast and PS2 was already out. It couldn't establish itself unlike Final Fantasy which had FFIV and VI for the SNES along with VII, VII, and IX for the PS1. So Dragon Quest failed to ingrain itself to be a classic series outside of Japan because it was absent for so long and when the games got localized people already moved on from the console.
We didn't even get the Dragon Quest themed version of that 3DS FF rhythm game localized.
Dragon Quest V with its last gen graphics or ports of 1-3 wouldn’t have magically saved DQ.
It exists alongside shit like Saint Seiya and Dr. Slump that companies have tried to molest western audiences with, and for some unknowable reason it has never worked.
If people like SNES Breath of Fire or Earthbound, I'm sure they'd hail Dragon Quest V and VI as a classic. It's just that Enix was way too slow to localize anything or they never localized games. Dragon Warrior II came out in 1990, the Genesis was already out and the SNES was around the corner. DWIII and IV came out the same year when you already have more powerful consoles. Let me ask you, who was going to play these games? People already moved onto 16 bit consoles. Then they missed the whole 16 bit era, and then they finally released a RPG when the PS2 was out in the west.
You cannot tell me the time a game releases won't contribute to people playing it or not. Ristar came at the end of the Genesis, but hardly anyone played it back then because people moved onto 5th gen. The PS1 was already out in 1995.
Dragon Quest V and especially VI had no chance in hell of doing well.
DQ up to that point was seen as “those games” on the NES. Just some generic adventure titles, like King’s Quest for babies. DQV would have nothing going for it- it looked like a NES game, most of its notable gameplay changes occur several hours in, the first hour is spent walking around and talking while your dad plays the game for you, it was not a game that would succeed. Even recent word of mouth hype it gets is framed entirely around how the STORY “gets good, nothing about the mechanics or gameplay, and any DQ fan worth their salt knows the opening is pretty lackluster for an actual video game.
The harsh reality is that DQ isn’t and will never be successful in the west. English speaking audiences just don’t care. Maybe it’s bad luck, maybe DQ just isn’t as appealing as FF’s constant melodrama.
XI was the first one to do big numbers in the west. I'm guessing it's why they want to keeping trying to make it happen.
>XI was the first one to do big numbers in the west
Wrong. 9 sold insanely well because nintendo actually fricking promoted it, something SE never does with DQ in the west.
I got into the series because of 9.
The more FF started to look like XII with a different coat of paint, the more I gravitated towards DQ's that weren't V and III, since they've always been the downtemp FF alternative
>DQV would have nothing going for it- it looked like a NES game
nta but compared to FF4 it didn't look much worse.
Yeah a lot of early SNES RPGs were bare looking. Hell, even look at Genesis games like Phantasy Star II and III. The only things they had over 8 bit games were a few more colors, maybe some background and foreground elements with parallax scrolling, and the battle sprites looked good.
>Phantasy Star 2
Man I miss these dudes and their soulful console war videos
>9 years ago
Frick me! The damn video is almost 10 years old! 🙁
those trees bring back memories.
>The harsh reality is that DQ isn’t and will never be successful in the west. English speaking audiences just don’t care. Maybe it’s bad luck, maybe DQ just isn’t as appealing as FF’s constant melodrama.
Either that or maybe Dragon Quest is just too vanilla of a JRPG, however I do respect it’s legacy and yes Hero’s Smash inclusion pushed me to get XIS and yes I beat it too.
>It's just that Enix was way too slow to localize anything or they never localized games. Dragon Warrior II came out in 1990, the Genesis was already out and the SNES was around the corner. DWIII and IV came out the same year when you already have more powerful consoles. Let me ask you, who was going to play these games? People already moved onto 16 bit consoles. Then they missed the whole 16 bit era, and then they finally released a RPG when the PS2 was out in the west.
I find that really weird, so let me get this straight, no Dragon Quest game got officially localized on SNES?
Nope
>Ristar came at the end of the Genesis, but hardly anyone played it back then because people moved onto 5th gen.
Big Shame Ristar deserved more than just a late Genesis release, Sonic Unleashed should’ve been a Ristar game since the Werehog is similar with arm stretching.
Pretty sure Saint Seiya is super popular in the west, just not within the US specifically. Europe and Latin America love that series.
They were actually considering localizing the SNES version of DQ6 as "Dragon Warrior V"(they were going to skip over DQ5 entirely), but Enix America closed up shop before they could release it.
And VI is one of the least popular Dragon Quest games, so it's funny to envision an alternate reality where it's the most nostalgiagayged amongst western audiences.
I played VI on the DS as a teen and it was one of my favorite dragon quests. I think it's criminally underrated.
T. NA anon
According to an Enix newsletter DQ5 wasn't given an English release due to "programming problems".
Perhaps adding all the english text would have made the rom too big to fit.
the kicker is we didn't get 6 either
I don't think DQVI would be treated like Secret of the Stars. Maybe 7th Saga at worse and that has a cult following. Anything that wasn't out right bad that was a JRPG on the SNES in English is viewed favorably.
Not turnbased = Do not buy.
Turnbased = Buy + GOTY confirmed.
>The goal was a dark and serious game
>The game is an action game
Dragon Quest has been the same formula fo decades and it always works. Goofy tone, turn-based combat, tons of polish.
I absolutely refuse to buy a Dragon Quest game that is not a lighthearted 4NIAR
I pray you're full of shit
Amazing how DQ is a series that notoriously doesn't sell in the west, yet suddenly all these diehard fans come out for the obvious troll thread.
I'm not sure about that. While OP is loosely interpreting what has been shared with the public, it doesn't take a genius to figure that Square is having problems.
moron
I just want to play as adult Terry which games let me do that?
Dragon Quest VI
If you larp hard enough, Dragon Quest X.
DQ6.
That's it. Also he's one of the weaker party members
I love dragon quest, way better than the slop final fantasy has pumped out for the last two decades. Last good mainline FF was 10
my favourite threads are when some schizo makes up obvious bullshit and everyone believes it
>The game is an action combat game comparable to Final Fantasy Remake/Rebirth
If it has Remake/Rebirth combat I will play it no matter how shit everything else is.
I assumed DGXII would be a disaster regardless so getting good combat is already more than I was expecting.
schizo thread
I have never seen SpongeBob, but I love that you understand the comment perfectly just from the picture. It’s how I imagine a dark dragon quest to be.
11 had some pretty dark story shit. The mermaid committing suicide when she couldn’t have her human, the mom and some dragon monsters eating each other, some other stuff I’m sure.
also I’m trans and brown btw
And moronic don’t forget that, most important fact
I know this looks like it was two other people who wrote this because it is something people say on here, but this was literally me. also, I have a scat fetish. If that matters.
thank you for speaking your truth
(me)
(also me)
me again btw
Maybe that's because the dialogue is written like it was meant for toddlers. No shit you didn't feel anything for the mermaid when she was fricking rhyming nonsense when she died.
also I’m trans and brown btw
But I did feel for her, she died a sad and unfulfilled death because of her circumstances and I was genuinely moved by it.
This board is seriously mentally ill.
Anybody got any ideas or theories on why they removed poster count? I mean what was the point?
Something about enabling shills.
>shills, the corporate moron intern "social media manager" who posts on twitter all day also has to be constantly posting on Ganker about how they actually thought x was pretty good
Can normies go back to thinking this site was for terrorists, fricking please
Can it be? The first downright bad numbered DQ game in existence is actually happening?
>moron who has never played a DQ game
There is not a single numbered DQ game that is actually downright bad.
They're all at minimum decent games, most of them are good and some of them are great.
>Dragon Quest 2
>Dragon Quest 6
>doesn't like 2
>doesn't like 6
yiiiikes
(10 aside) These are the only two I've never finished despite starting, so yeah you're probably onto something.
Dragon Quest II is an improvement upon the first game. Bigger party, bigger battles, and a bigger world while you still do similar things. I'm playing Dragon Quest VIII right now and it's a slog compared to DQII. It loves to waste your time. You go out to do one thing and it ends up being a chain quest to just do it. DQII is straight forward, you just go to the place without any detours. Then you have the DQI game progression with items and hints telling you how to unlock new areas in old towns and of course traveling the world and obtaining hints where the four sigils are at. Compared to DQVIII and how railroaded it is in its theme park experience.
I heard the series became more story focused and linear at around V. If so then that's a shame.
>I heard the series became more story focused and linear at around V. If so then that's a shame.
Yes it started exactly at 5 and the series never recovered since.
4 at least did something interesting with the beginning chapters, and then chapter 5 played out closer to DQ2/3. With DQ5 they set out with the goal of leading the player from point setpiece A to setpiece B the entire game, much like your average JRPG, for a story that really isn't that amazing outside of a few striking scenes. They tried to correct this approach in DQ6 with the more hands-off approach and exploration that gradually opened up but the series never attempted to expand on DQ2 and 3 after that.
Romancing SaGa 1 did a much better job of carrying the spirit of early DQ with more ambitious campaign progression and it came out months before DQ5.
7 came out years ago
I can’t think of a bad Kirby game except maybe Star Allies before it got the extra content? I never played it lol but I’m going by general reception of the game
2 came out a long time ago
Square is totally clueless so I don't doubt the OP is correct.
Just make a decent fricking turn-based battle and tell a simple new story about a hero bringing peace to a kingdom full of problems. How hard is it to do something like that? You just need a few charismatic characters and some cute girls and that's it.
Dragon Quest's battle, contrary to what people think, is perfectly acceptable and allows room for a certain strategy when the player is playing with restrictions, so it's not as if they needed to change much, but anyway, turn-based battles are on the rise again, so there's no excuse for creating a ridiculous button-mashing system.
why are you getting upset over homosexualOPs fanfic?
Because as I said, it's something I'd expect from Square-Enix, especially as they've said they want to do something "mature", when Dragon Quest isn't "childish" in the first place. There's a difference between a light theme that doesn't try to appeal to melodrama to make misfortunes seem more terrible and sad than they really are, and a childish theme.
Square Enix doesn’t have control over DQ newbie
>137 for some fanfiction
bruh
I just want DQ3-HD to be real on Switch. Please.
The thing that annoys me the most about Squeenix generic realtime combat is how little the ‘free combat’ camera added to XI. Just switched it back to classic and the quality improved tenfold.
what irritates me is when you get a new party member and they default to fight wisely
It had more practical use in base DQ11 when speedup didn't exist. If you used free form and moved melee-acting characters close to their target, the game would automatically select the target for you and the characters' attack animations would be shorter (in addition to not jumping back and forth).
Of course DQ11S added speedup so there's less reason to use it there, but in base 11 it improved the pacing of fights drastically.
These graphics are going to age incredibly well
I want my dick nuzzled between Jessica and Jades breasts while Debora licks the tip and Maya sits on my face.
I want to keep Maya as a pet.
Why does Squenix want to betray their Japanese fans? They’ve been super loyal to DQ, why do this?
because their japanese fanbase is pushing 50. they had a public freakout when famitsu or some other magazine polled schoolkids and the only people that knew about Final Fantasy knew about it via theatrythm on 3DS. They got a mid 20's audience with FFXIV but thats about it. Its the land of Capcom again.
it almost like it's been pozzed from within by western pigs
>dragon quest music begins
>goosebumps
yea its 10/10 kino
You forgot [SAD NEWS]
>The goal was a dark and serious game "because westerners like Dark Souls and Game of Thrones" to try and get a wider target audience.
I just got into Dragon Quest 11 5 years ago and now they're trying to frick it up. Why change it? This is Toriyama's second legacy along with DBZ. All I wanted was more of what was already there. More side quests, more enemies, more bosses, more lands to explore, more items, more allies.
I didn't want different, I wanted more.
If you get served A5 Japanese Wagyu every day, you will get sick and tired of it eventually. As mentioned by a previous poser, the DQ series has always been more forward looking and willing to change than what its reputation is, even though it stopped being super innovative after DQV. DQXI is the first game in the series which you can call JRPG comfort food, and if they serve the same comfort food twice in a row people are going to start complaining.
>ugh, turn based again?! jfc can they just stop?
said literally no dragon quest fan ever in the history of mankind
Toriyama's death has put any kind of stylistic identity for DQ in the coffin. Every single "Toriyama-like" artist out there outside of maybe Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru isn't even capable of truly replicating his aesthetic. They'd have to go in a completely different direction.
>main dragon quest artist dead
>main dragon quest composer dead
>switching away from traditional gameplay to action rpg for no reason
>main dragon quest director replaced with director from nier
Dragon Quest as a franchise has perished.
You’re a complete poser.
Concession? Accepted.
>says main director of dragon quest left
>literally doesn’t know who the main director is or why he can’t leave
Lol
I'm going to take the bait
What are the new preliminary work in ff17?
Are we going to get a new game with FF 16 combat system?
With the improvements because they still have ryota Suzuki in their staff
If DQ isn't turn based won't the japanese shun it? I've been lead to believe they really love these games because of the formula.
DQ11 is the best game I played last year lols, so I hope they didnt do this shit.
>DQ went from taking several years to localise or just not at all, to focusing on western audiences
One well received game is all it takes to ruin a franchise, you should have gatekept harder.
>he believes every “leaker” on Ganker
Even ignoring that, DQXI didn’t even do well in the west. You can tell because everyone here clearly bought FFVIIR instead.
>The game is an action combat game comparable to Final Fantasy Remake/Rebirth
Man I wish that was true, say what you will about the 7R games but the combat is fricking great and I hope DQ does something similar.
>say what you will about the 7R games but the combat is fricking great
definitely better than XV's combat?
Totally, XV is like a fake combat system that functions more like an interactive movie and plays like shit.
what about compared to XVI's combat?
I like XVI having juggling and stuff.
I wouldn't compare it at all, XVI is more like a very simplistic action game where you control one character in complete real-time. Not really a good fit for FF and certainly not for DQ.
So what makes the 7R combat good then?
It's a good blend of action and ATB strategy, you got control over multiple party members that all have an unique playstyle and you can issue commands to them during battle. It got all the hallmarks of a proper party-based RPG while also being an action game. You can even turn off the action portion if you only wanna focus on the strategy.
Man Akira Toriyama dying really screwed the pooch. I think the series is dead without him.
>There is not a single person in this thread who has played a DQ game.
I've finished 1, 3, 5, 8 and 9.
Started 6, 7 and 11 but haven't finished them.
>You may have noticed Squares usual constant drop of DQ spin offs and side games have stopped
They literally released DQM dark prince in December and the 2.5d DQ3 game is coming out within a year most likely.
What a weird moronic thread to make likely not even by a DQ fan
Cool larp
I hope they just stick to turn based gameplay. I hate the garbage western localizations, but the games are so good I can ignore them most of the times. I don't want the same action crap that has been ruining final fantasy for dragon quest. Why not compromise and give the ps5/pc the action game and switch the turn based game similar to releasing XI on the 3ds? You won't lose anyone like that.
Horii already confirmed it's still turn based
The DQ localizations are great and what localizations for games should be like. Simply put if you're shitting on the DQ localizations you're probably some try hard weeb in too deep into the toxic community and so you have to pay your gaijin tax by calling the localizations shit and worshipping the ground nips walk on.
No they are not. Every character having some homosexual accent just makes the game annoying to read. Dragon quest has been so badly localized for years now that It's one of the reasons why I've bothered to learn jap. I've been here since it's been called dragon warrior in the west dude so stop being a homosexual.
>No they are not. Every character having some homosexual accent just makes the game annoying to read
Maybe if you're dyslexic and have a hard time reading in the first place. No videogame dialogue accented or not should get you that worked up.
The accents are actually part of the charm in itself.
It's hilarious you can sit there and consume this game that has toriyamas silly art style and over the top flourishes in visual story telling alone that the localization triggers you that bad.
I actually really can't understand the cognitive dissonance you have between them.
Yes because it's not only the localization that "triggers" me. It's the blatant changes used in said localizations. People like you that defend this crap and use excuses like toriyama's "silly" artstyle don't like these games. Do you even like jap media to begin with? Why defend the molestation of something you like? Especially when they rewrite entire parts like sylvia's character.
Because, I like them for what they are. Meanwhile you're out here sucking the cum dry from the balls of a culture you yourself will never have a true understanding of in a language you self admitted to not being fluent in.
There is no molestation. Molestation would imply no consent. The localizers were chosen by square, Hired to translate the works, and spread them across the globe.
Molestation again, would imply done against the will etc. I'm certain you'll see no complaints about the localized versions of DQ from the creators of DQ.
Your entire slam on localization is entirely based in your false believe of the "superiority" of Japanese culture and the mere fact your precious moonrunes were sullied by a translation meant to reach the audience of the West with the same intended message.
That said in itself, feel free to tell me over and over again how the localization is the devil's work and you can never truly understand unless you read Japanese, and how these games marketed to an audience of all ages and written directly to be accessible to kids as young as toddlers have a message and story I simply won't be able to appreciate because it just doesn't exist in the localization.
All weeb gate keeping elitist propaganda.
The phrase lost in translation exists and localizers exist to provide that gap in cultural context.
All I know is I'm certainly enjoying the game more than you are.
Sure buddy. You have no argument and just know how to throw stupid insults at people. I've been here for longer than you ever have and people like you are why we now have "chud" appear in localizations. It's a bad thing to defend. Not to mention how can you be enjoying them more than me when I'm playing them in jap and getting the intended story and experience out of them. If you want to see what I mean go try out the V PS2 translation. That one is so cleanly done that It's helped inspire some guys I know to learn to language.
No, you've got no argument bud.
Your massive hateboner for localization is based entirely in the cultural sub-groups elitist racial worship.
> I'm playing them in jap and getting the intended story and experience out of them
>MY MOOONRUNES ARE THE INTENDED WAY AND THEREFORE SUPERIOR GAMEPLAY EXPERIENCE NIPPON STRONK
lmfao, holy shit you can't even go 3 minutes without gargling their entire cultural nuts in your mouth over a story meant to be understood and comprehended by Toddlers is beyond me.
Let me guess, you somehow think the localizers should be gassed for changing Camus's name to Erik in the localization despite making more sense to what origins they intended for the character.
Isn't that more embarrassing? A game meant for children and old men has to get altered hard for american audiences? I don't get what you're fighting about here. There's no point in defending the work of people who don't like the respect the source material.
I don't get this argument. You'll never see creators lash out or go against the localizations because it's what they're told american's want.
>A game meant to culturally appeal to Japanese people and Japanese culture is adjusted to be more appealing towards a western audience?
and?
Again your pic related of why it was bad the English version is just plain superior.
Forgot to mention. You are not getting the same story and "intended" message because these games are being altered out of the gate. I don't care if you like it. It's not what was intended and at many points it's the fanfiction of some localizer who is lashing out at never becoming a writer. Dragon quest isn't a big series in the west. There is no point in arguing like this. I just wish that instead of eating it up, you would want more and a proper telling of the story you are buying.
> it's the fanfiction of some localizer
Nope, it's the official English game. It's approved by Square Enix, and it was the localization they wanted done for the game.
None of the original japanese storyline was "molested" if it was an actual fan translation sure, but sorry you're a moronic weeb.
I hate redditors so damn much. You homosexuals are the embodiment of cringe.
The English version is literally better though lmfao
Left is so much better to read
Right makes my head hurt unironically
>I am illiterate
I just feel sorry for you. Can never read Shakespeare in a version that isn't pic related, or a passage in the King James Bible.
You really should try to learn how to read anon. Or don't I guess. Our default is illiteracy after all, if you were born a mere 150 years ago chances are you also wouldn't have been able to read then either.
Forgot the pic
the difference is that shakespeare and the king james bible were written like that hundreds of years ago. we never use thees and thous anymore. dragon quest is supposed to simple and easy to read
It's meant for children and old men and these guys are saying the accents and overly verbose writing is correct.
This sounds like complete bull. One of the big selling points of Dragon Quest is that traditional fantasy setting and turn-based gameplay.
If they want to try out new combat systems they have the spin-off games like Heroes and Treasures and Infinity Strash. There's no need for them to shove it into a new mainline entry.
>The game is an action combat game comparable to Final Fantasy Remake/Rebirth
Big if true.
Every Jrpg should have FF7 Rebirth's combat. No other combat comes close to how good this one is.
If it's anything like remake then I don't see how that can be good.
I believe it.
I do not care unless they fix the rancid localizations.
I’ve tried this on one of my old spare iphones and makes the damn device a hot potato and drains the battery, the DS emulator but not the other ones. Guess I’ll stick with NES, SNES and GBA games. Haven’t tried the Bluetooth controller thing how’s that?
I didn't mind the accents in VIII because that game was fully voiced and the dialogue text was just normal English.
Why they felt the need to have the accents appear in text as well is beyond me.
>Why they felt the need to have the accents appear in text as well is beyond me.
>Why do authors feel the need to have characters with a heavy accent written with the heavy accent
Gee idk couldn't possibly be immersion.
I wish OP was not a gay and this was true, would be so based.
If the combat isn't turn based I will shitpost nonstop with Shazam images. Ball's in SquareEnix's court. Dragon Quest mainline is turn based, full stop period.
I agree, probably will be though. We both know OPs a gay.
Damn the discord defense bots really do get set off just by saying the localization is bad.
>The game is an action combat game
Black person, the very first thing Horii said at the announcement was "we are making changes to the TURN BASED combat". It will still be turn based, but different from past entries.
>The goal was a dark and serious game "because westerners like Dark Souls and Game of Thrones" to try and get a wider target audience. This did not go as planned.
Now you're just making fanfics out of a joke Horii made in an interview.
In short, frick off moron.
It's easy to tell who is and isn't a DQ poser usually, but the localization arguments have been happening since 4 did the DQVIII accents without VA.
I'll just say they're fine. I travelled around Europe a lot when I was younger, so it's almost nostalgic.
I'll never forgive these gays for the "SENIOR" at the start of V on the ds.
Why are they doing this to an iconic, lighthearted game like DQ? Leave it the frick alone, and make a new "dark n mature" edgelord IP
Why would Square Enix take a turn based game that's always had turn based gameplay for its mainline games and turn it into an action game? Come on now, they're not that stupid. That would never happen.
It took a whole fricking decade and a half but it did finally pay off. FF7-2 finally nailed it.
If it's like Final fantasy 7 remake then It's over.
No, I considered that one a fail too. All of them, every single one. Somehow the sequel got a pass for me. It was fun.
>FF7-2
You mean FF7 Rebirth?
FF7R-2
>tfw first DQ played as a kid was Terry's wonderland in NA
>tfw waited years for fan translation to play the remake on 3DS
>tfw quit after a few hours because the randomly generated dungeons are cumbersome in 3D and repetitive
some things are just better in the past arent they
I've said since fricking joker 1 that 3d is a mistake in DQ. I'm playing through DQM3 right now and while I'm having fun, every map is so bland and empty looking.
This thread is full of FFgays.
people who solely play FF are deranged what else can I say?
they can't stop talking about FF when they see DQ discussion. tbh baka
You mean oldgays. Before you zoom zooms were born there was no contest. 90s were shit for DQ and kind to FF. Than things changed.
I played through dragon warrior on the family nes and had dragon warrior VII on the psx. I'm old, but it is true that the west only likes final fantasy.
I just think FF10 in 2001 was the beginning of the end while DQ8 in 2004 was the start of the games getting much better and better.
Touché, what does one call a Millennial born in the mid 90s
FF is millennialcore tho, zoomers don't give two fricks about it.
DQ was always better than FF even in the 90s.
I'm from that era, and we've always been a niche. I remember my friends claiming they liked jrpgs but couldn't get into dragon quest VII when I would lend it to them.
he said "better", not "more popular"
He's absolutely right, but we're still a minority even now. Just because XI actually sold in the west doesn't mean it's going to stay that way. Go look at how monsters and treasures didn't do that well here.
Good thing America isn't the center of the world because in Asia especially Japan, DQ absolutely dunks on FF in popularity.
Absolutely. I'm glad and I hope they keep appealing to the japanese. It's why I play these games.
>Than things changed.
Well, that has nothing to do with what those anons were saying, which is that this thread supposedly about DQ is filled with FF fans whining about newer games.
Beyond that, little has changed. Again, none of these FF gays have actually played DQ.
Are there people who are fans of the FF franchise? It seems like people are just fans of a few games and want to pick a fight over the games they don't like.
I love the accents because they filter ESLs tbh
I have a minor in english language arts and they're atrocious. That's not an own. It's saying you like to eat shit to own others.
>moronic american commenting on the authenticity of british/european accents
lmao
>I have a minor in english language art
Imagine trying to use that as a flex in this situation a fricking minor.
Context anon. He called me an esl. I have a minor in english because I'm working towards being a proper translator. It's needed to pad out my resume.
He just said they filtered the ESLs, that wasn't a direct reply to you, or even calling you out. Hell it didn't even say that anyone who dislikes them are ESL's, however just that it filters them.
Despite having a minor in English language arts your comparison of "it's saying you like to eat shit to own others." isn't even frankly apt in the example.
If you know you're not ESL, then that post isn't referring to you.
>RRR DRAGON QUEST IS SO BORING, WHEN WILL IT STOP BEING TURN BASED!
>Dragon Quest Heroes 1&2, Dragon Quest Builders 1&2, Rocket Slime 1-3, Dragon Quest Swords all exist
>N-NOT LIKE THAT
Who am I kidding, you frickers haven't played a single mainline game anyway.
>WHEN WILL IT STOP BEING TURN BASED!?
This but for mainline Pokémon
I played Builders 2 which is a better game than every mainline DQ game combined, the rest of those games are just bad shovelware.
They should make a more action oriented mainline game since it will no doubt be higher quality than whatever low effort spinoff titles you manage to dig up.
Are Dragon Quest 6, 7, and 9 worth playing? Do any of you like those ones?
Absolutely. They're great. Each having some localization niggles, but you should definitely try them.
None of them have good gameplay, the job systems are all fricked up in some way, particularly in 9 which is hamstrung by its desire to be some weird pseudo-MMO grindfest thing. DQ7 is worth playing for the writing though, some of the best storytelling in all of gaming.
IX is kino, but it really needs you to have a friend or two along for the ride. Even then it's rather short solo.
>DQ6
Boring as frick but the dream gimmick can be fun if you get into it. The worst vocation system in the franchise.
>DQ7
70+ hours of absolute padding. The 3DS version adds QOL but get ready to climb the same tower 5 times. Time travel is actually pretty good but the quality of the scenarios ranges a lot. Vocation system is slightly less worse but expect to grind if you want any of the lategame vocations.
>DQ9
Diet coke 3. It's great if you enjoy making your own characters and visible equipment is fun to play around with. Makes vocations less annoying.
>Diet coke 3
I don't know what this means, but thanks for the rundown of the three games.
Not as good as 3 but it's close to it in spirit.
Got it. I've played DQ 1 - 5 and I wasn't sure if I was super interested in those three games in particular. I think I'm just gonna play 8 and 11 whenever I feel like actually playing those games. I don't want to play more DS games and I don't care about playing the original versions either (I played the PS2 version of DQ5 and liked it).
I recommend playing 6 (ds), 9, 7 (3ds), 8 (3ds) and 11, in that order. You'll get a more gradual upgrade in how the games look. They are all self contained stories so there's no problem in beating them out of order. There are also patches for the 3ds games that restore the orchestral music (3ds uses midi), censored costumes (8) and even an undub if you're into that.
>8 (3ds)
Even with mods it still has worse audio and really ugly graphics. The VO and visuals are a huge part of that game's appeal and the 3DS port butchers it quite badly. Just emulate the PS2 version, there's no reason not to play it instead.
Nah the 3ds release is great. I would even recommend VII 3ds.
How good is the extra content on the 3DS version?
The 3DS version has less waiting around and bonus content.
Oh please, yeah the graphics are worse but there are a trillion other reasons content and gameplay wise to play it over the PS2 version. Prefer to play the PS2 version if you want but
>there's no reason not to play it instead
Is just a lie. Theres only one reason to play the PS2 version now and that's if you're a hardcore grafixprostitute
without modding
>better graphics
>better va
>better sound quality
>more soulful menus
>better balanced
>better music (orchestral)
>uncensored outfits
People wonder why I'm so glad XVI flopped the way it did and this is 100% the reason. YoshiP is a DQ traitor and I will never forgive him.
Depends on what you mean by flop. XVI did better than Rebirth so in square enix's eyes they might assume that means action gameplay is better for dragon quest.
We already went through this with the development of DQ9, they tried, the JP public got rightfully pissed and they reversed course. Now 9 is seen by many as their favorite DQ.
Good. That just means DQ12 won't be complete garbage like FF16.
It'll still be complete garbage. Just not the garbage FF16 was.
Ok but did Barry win?
Good thread
Hope this is true. The more money Square wastes, the happier I am.
>hate Toriyama artstyle
>allergic to anything reminding them that the game is japanese
>only play DQ for "le hekin' based accents"
So I think it's safe to say that these subhumans don't actually like Dragon Quest
some of you have brain damage.
>reddit spacing
I can sort of understand Americans struggling with the accent heavy text in the DS remakes. But to bash the voice dialogue in DQ8 is just so fricking moronic beyond belief. That game is so rich in comedy and whimsy thanks to the voice acting, they really knocked it out of the park. Americans fricking seethe over it because they need everything to sound like Cartoon Network cringe shit.
I turned the voice acting off in 8. It's bad dude. I won't judge since it is the first dragon quest many people played.
>Yangus
>Jessica
>King Trode
>Madea
>Angelo
>Dominico (YOU DISGAST ME DAYVID)
>Kalderasha
>Prince Charmles (even though he's a little fricker)
>Red
>Morrie
>Bad voice acting
Just admit that you have shit taste and would rather hear voices that are similar to the gay Nickelodeon cartoons you grew up with. Pepsi drinking homosexual.
I turn the voice acting off even in jap. I just don't like it in dragon quest since I can read faster than a 5 year old. VIII is okay but the name changes are moronic. Notice how yangus is okay but you need to change Zeshika?
Do you also watch movies with the sound off because its faster to read subtitles? Autistic homosexual.
Frick your cringey eng dub, you're like Xenoblade redditors.
bro, shit is crazy, i was so hyped after the dq11 ending but now i dont even know if i care about this dogshit series
>company puts extra effort into a game
>likely because Toriyama fricking died and they want to make it worthy of having an "in memory of Akira Toriyama-san" in the credits
>shazamtroons and tortanicgays are so desperate for attention and dopamine they start doomposting about it
>DQXII is just FFXII but with Toriyama art design
I'm in.
Barry won.
>weebs are here
it was a good thread for a while, despite the bait op
You people pretend other wise, but there's a large audience and fans of these properties that don't appreciate these changes. Slowly but these freaks will be removed from their jobs.
Fun fact,Gabriel García Márquez thought Gregory Rabassa's translation of One Hundred Years of Solitude was better than the original.
>MUHHH ORIGINALLL CONTEXTTT
kek
I'm not one to believe in "discord" or "twitter" raids but this thread just reeks of that.
How did these fricking morons think making a shift from their decades old signature art work would be a good idea? Making a shift from a light hearted genre that the Japs ate up as a national video game towards a dark and gritty moronation to appease western gamers is such a stupid move to do it has to have been approved by someone working to sabotage them.
Remember that pro-localizer posts have been proven as bots and raids many times.
you're delusional
That's clearly the case. Even when presented with change after change we get the same defense force claiming it to be "better"
It's just strange that we're force to accept it. Why can't we compromise with a localized/proper or localized/literal toggle.
Reminder this guy is using a widely beloved game like DQ11 to act like they are defiling something sacred.
"widely beloved" you people are so disingenuous. Just because it actually sold in the states doesn't mean its beloved. Gaming has grown exponentially that it's no surprised it moved more than 2 million here. We should get the game as intended. Not your gay fanfiction.
You people are going to be the first on the chopping block. With the rise of ai and companies getting more and more complaints on lolcowlizers things aren't going to stay like this for much longer.
>You people are going to be the first on the chopping block
Of what? I'm not the autistic fricks learning Japanese. That's the morons b***hing about localization.
Well like 5% of them, the other 95% of people complaining about localization know jack shit about Japanese, hardly fluent in the slightest, and complain using seethe filled infographs made by other autistic fricks who actually bothered to learn Japanese.
With how nationalistic, xenophobic, and flirting with fascism the west seems to be today, I'd be more worried about your head on the chopping block when they find you hiding in your room covered in posters with moonrunes on them.
>With how nationalistic, xenophobic, and flirting with fascism the west seems to be today
hahahahahaha go back to resetera
>go back leave my safe space 🙁
nah I quite like the format
>localizations are soulless!!!!! we should get an literal AI to translate everything one to one for my nipponese loving sensibilities!!!!"
you sound so fat and greasy
>Unreal Engine 5
What could possibly go wrong.
Ok, but what the frick happened to this?
please understand DQ3 is a religion in Japan, it must be perfect
I'm aware of that, and I want it to be perfect too.
But jesus frick, everything is already done from dungeon design to story, chara design and music. Surely it can't take that long?
It apparently takes 3+ years to add 2DHD to a 35 year-old game.
>The game has been restarted four times
This is good, I hope they're not cowards and go for a fifth. This is how Resident Evil 4 was made.
Does DQX seem like it will die anything soon or something? Will it die after XII comes out?
Should I be in a rush to play it or can I continue to procrastinate? I heard there was a new part toot coming soon.
Nah that's never going to die. An expansion came out recently.
>430+ replies about a game we know nothing.
Please never change, Ganker.
Yeeeeeuup, anwyays I've riled up the localizer seething unit enough today, time to go watch the Shogun finale, yep now that is Kino!
i have yellow fever
I love the "MUH TORIYAMA IS DEAD" morons. The fricking concept art for this game has been done for fricking years. He died 20 minutes ago...he didnt even do 3d modelling
>454 posts of people who have never played a DQ game
>90% of the thread is circlejerking about how bad FF is or talking about KH
>the remaining 10% is two morons yelling about localizations, both admitting they don't play the game in question
DQ threads have never been worse huh.
I one of the guys complaining about localizations and I'm playing through builders right now. It's okay. There's not much fruitiness added or needless changes.
I've defended the localizations and I literally finished the beastiary in DQM3 Dark Prince last month.
On my quest to play all the DQ games.
Currently on 8, its great and refreshing to have a well put together story after 7 dropped dud after dud of plot point. I just got to the casino town and the sabercat sanctuary, having a great time
>hating 7
the DQ autists will not like you for this
I dont hate 7, but
intro way too long
drags
keifer goes bye bye way too quick leaving you with a party of 3 for too long
by the time aishe shows up Mervyn has pretty well cemented himself in your party
story far too episodic
macro story doesnt reveal itself til the final 4-5 hours of the game
fragment finding
episode story wears out its welcome after the first town
way too much back and forth quests
hero has a family, story doesnt really do anything with it
7 makes a lot of the exact same mistakes as 6 but with just slightly more guidance. Unlocking the map feels real cool for a minute but its simply too long and the 10-15 hours before the vocation system make it not worthy of replay.
>keifer is supposed to be the bad guy
but he isnt and they didnt take the story that direction, im not going to give supposed credit for something the team didnt do.
The first DQ I played was VII on the 3DS and I was really enamored with how all the islands were its own little real life country equivalent, and the accents really added to that. I didn't even believe at first when I heard that the original Japanese didn't have it, it is just so natural and seamless an addition that it's hard to imagine the game having the same tone of being a globe trotting adventure without it. Maybe that's why Japan got exhausted of it so easily because it doesn't have that distinction between areas?
Anyway, I went on to play to play all the DQs after that so... at least from my experience the idea that its keeping anyone away is dubious. I haven't played X but I will soon one of these days, I'll need to get a VPN though.
I'll admit the area for the first part of 4 was an annoying one though. I'll give them a break on that though, it was their first try.
Another special mention to Hoto and the mermaids in XI, another couple of areas that it's also almost hard to believe weren't in the original due to the amount of personality that blends in with the game. Man they were fun.
Must be an age thing dude. I find it annoying. It's dumb to pretend that these characters are speaking so differently when its not quite a "globe trotting" journey.
>It's dumb to pretend that these characters are speaking so differently when its not quite a "globe trotting" journey.
How to spot that you're a dumb ass American without you saying such
How is calling me a "dumb ass american" an argument. These people wouldn't be speaking so different from each other. It's fine to like the localization additions, but it's quite right either.
>Detailed map of languages and dialects spoken in Europe
They don't do that in the jap releases. It just fluff that the translators added.
japs literally didnt finish 7 because it was boring. Im not a localization defender but a bunch of towns where everyone plain speaks the most literal forward pointing dialogue sounds more exhausting than " 'Ello guv!"
That is damn lie. VII was bought by 1 million people in japan alone. It's highly regarded and loved. Same reason why they remade IV in the VII engine. What you call "exhausting" is proper and how it should be left.
>detailed map
>england, one dialect
I'm disappointed.
I'm not actually European enough to know how accurate that map is, but enough into history to know they have like 200 different languages and even more dialects.
t. American
England itself has to my limited knowledge no fewer than 6 accents, Im sure some english/scottish/irish guy is laughing at me and is gonna say "more like 50"
I also just copied and pasted the most variety I found in the first 20 seconds on a google search to make the point. Don't even think I looked at engurland when i googled it.
but that is the point I was trying to make
Let me put it this way, my parents grew up in towns 20 minutes apart, same county. Different dialects, different euphemisms. England is fricking surreal, but thousands of years of isolation and shit like the saxons killing people who walked off the road for 'spying'.
Ironically most of them are dying off now because of the internet, mass communication, easy travel. C'est la vie.
Funny thing, Shakespeare spoke and wrote his plays in a really regional accent, there's puns in the scripts that only work in his dialect.
Otherwise dw about it anon, if you're curious you're not ignorant.
and yet anon higher up in the thread thinks 2 countries separated by an ocean and 500 years should sound exactly the same
>not quite globe trotting
homie the map is the entire planet. there isnt some beyond the horizon far away land. Not to mention Jolly ole engerlund has like 15 different dialects
And the game doesn't take place in "engurlund" it takes place in the fictional kingdom.
It takes place in a globe of continents.
The 3rd games map was literally almost 1 for 1 with Earth.
>They don't do that in the jap releases.
There isn't an equivalent to it in Japan, and culturally it wouldn't fit in right.
However outside of Jipang and it's equivalents in other games, a majority of cultures/architecture etc is inspired by European/middle eastern aesthetics.
youre missing the point. On a globe where 30 different provinces exist and at different times all mostly unified by english, you can be sure theyd all have different accents
I think it makes sense. Not only are they fairly isolated but they're practically in different dimensions. If they didn't speak different from everyone else in the past they sure would when they come back in the future after getting generations of isolation.
Not that I even care so much about finding an excuse for it, I'm not looking for anthropological accuracy, it just has to be fun. And it is an entire globe.
Anyone else play DQM Dark Prince?
It is awful
The setup with psaro is kino. I'm personally waiting for the pc release since it runs like ass on switch.
That is the only decent part, otherwise the story is pretty minimal
Fricking this. And trying to breakthrough to a higher rank monster is tedious as hell without guides.
Really? Damn. The stuttering visuals were driving me nuts on the switch.
Monster variety between areas should've been higher.
It's insane how many monsters are in the game, but how many parents you have to breed towards.
my wife got it for me on switch, it looks and runs like shit. On yuzu however its probably my favorite dqm game
DQ will die along with the rest of Square.
>thread at bump limit
>of some pure larping OP
this is some bottom of the barrel pathetic shit
Only way for a DQ thread to hit bump limit
Especially since mods delete any XI thread with any of the girls in swimsuits after like 300 posts for some reason
But the xi threads with the girls in swimsuits are the only ones that make it to 300 posts
I mean this sincerely, I would probably like DQ a lot less if the translators tried harder to make the english script a one-to-one translation
But why though? If you don't want japanese games, then don't play them.
If you don't want to play localized games, then don't play them
Well I mean he's not playing the game in Japanese... he's playing it in English. No he doesn't want to play Japanese games, he doesn't know Japanese.
The question is why are YOU playing it in English when what you want to do is play it in Japanese?
Because I'm not pretending to be japanese, like YOU seem to be.
Yangus in japanese sounds stupid, his endearing accent coupled with his ugly chud design are a match made in heaven.
say what you will about DQ but the combat never drags. I dont how we got here where theres 1000 different flavors of JRPG where the systems are both overcomplicated but undercooked. I think of shit like Digimon where every fight goes on 2-3 times longer than it has any right to
It's a combination of the formation system and enemies being designed to fit archetypes. It makes every encounter feel fresh because you need to prioritize certain targets and attacks that hit everyone regardless of formation tend to do less damage.