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>people look back on it so fondly?
those people dont exist. its one giga-autist making multiple posts.
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This is gas lighting to the 11th degree.
They exist, they're called zoomers. They played Dragon Age 2 when they were 9 and loved the "Press X to AWESOME"
I tried to like it as I love Dragon Age (even Inquisition) but 2 was just so damn lazy. so much copy and paste locations and quests. it just got annoying.
It's a good game in theory.
It was a complete 180 to what Dragon age was
>no origins
>human only
>voiced protag
>not a proper sequel
>one location the entire game
>adhd button smashing audience over CRPG roots
>reused assets, enemies and maps
>boring
That said, I thought it was ok. I liked the companions, rivalry system and even found Kirkwall a bit comfy. It was just unfortunate that DA:O was such a good game that DA2 was forever shit in comparison.
Which companions did you like? Other than Varric who is only somewhat enjoyable, the other companions suck compared to Origins.
Aveline = No personality
Carver/Bethany = Boring
Isabel = prostitute traitor
Anders = Gay Terrorist
Fenris = Edgelord fujobait
Merril = literal moron
Sebastian = DLC nothing character
I don't have to personally like them to enjoy them. They feel like a bunch of people who become a group of friends through their banter and interactions and I like it. None of them are there to save the world or because they swore an oath to the main character, they come along because they want to. They bicker like friends, fight like friends, get drunk like friends and support each other like friends.
This guy gets it. It felt like you were all just pals carving your way in the city as opposed to some group forced to save the world
I liked how they all felt like all have some kind of purpose in the overall narrative and most of the notable quests like there was the mage guy the anti mage guy the town guard the story teller etc.
I couldn't tell you what the purpose of the drunk dwarf guy or the nagging old woman is suppose to be I don't even remember most of their quests besides Alistar having a b***h sister.
>I don't have to personally like them
That's a very convoluted way of saying you hated them.
Be silent midwit.
Adults are speaking.
>Be silent midwit.
>Adults are speaking.
You missed my point anon. They're good characters that work in the game because they fit in that world and they don't feel tacked on. They all are living their lives in Kirkwall and go through their journeys alongside yours. They work well together through all their interactions, even if some individually are annoying personalities.
Yes. And you hated all of them. If you enjoy spending time with people you loathe, play Andromeda, too. You'll loathe the shit out of those c**ts.
Even TF2 has characters not everyone likes but they're still good characters.
I'm sure it has characters that everyone likes, too.
Yeah that's one way to put it.
Sten > Morrigan > Isabel > Cassandra > Merril >>>>>>>>>>>> Alistair > whatever
what about FELICIA DAY
It's 2024, no one remembers who that is anymore
>voiced protag
what the frick is up with modern western "RPGs" doing this shit
just because it worked for Mass Effect doesn't mean you have to shove it everywhere else
zoomers cant relate to a silent protag
I was here for this. Shit, I remember the threads. The ugly fingers, the dead mother, the fact you can't frick your sister, the guard lady, the fact we were PROMISED female qunari romance and got nothing, the moronic "we're not blood mages! *proceeds to do blood magic*"
And best girl is locked in this game.
I played all 3 games and I honestly think this one had the best plot and characters unironically.
I think a bunch of the characters in the first game like Morrigan and Lelliana are kinda overrated.
2nd game had some weak ones too like bawd Pirate and boring Priest guy but none were as bad as that annoying b***h Wynne.
I didn't even discover DA:O/DA2 until 2019 and plainly I stopped playing DA2 while I've cleared Origins 4 times. No idea what Inquisition is like since I witness the horrid screenshots and videos here and that was enough to make me avoid the whole series until recently.
>best plot and characters unironically
How could you think that? The plot was a noisy mess that had no idea what it wanted to do, even from the start it wasn't clear what it wanted to do with the cast and characters and the ass pulls to move the plot forward were fricking awful.
Flammeth new design looks fabulous in this. However, making Anderson the terrorist was fricking moron af. Also Fenris was obviously Cloud ripoff.
The whole agree to disagree with teammates is good and interesting though, now you don't have to keep sucking off their dicks just to get gameplay bonuses.
You way bond with teamates is better too the first game had that silly gift giving shit so if you have the ultimate edition you can just give them gifts and max em out right away instead of actually doing quests and shit.
1>2>3
2 was a good game imo, suffers from the copy and pasted dungeons and lack of soul outside of kirkwall and mt sundermount, though.
For all it's fault DA2 had the best affection system, the friendship/rivalry system.
Instead of having to pick the specific quests to bring your companions on so you don't get negative friendship, you can take them on wherever and play how you like. They don't approve of your actions? Rivalry increases.
Genuinely the best way to have an approval system.
It's impressive they made this in 1 1/2 years but now take 5 years to made some 10hr forgettable piece of shit.
People look back on it fondly?
Kill all mages.
This game taught me that tone and presentation is just as important (if not more) than the actual content
It's probably the darkest Bioware story but everything else from the character models, combat animations, music, etc makes it hard to take the game seriously
>people look back on it so fondly
Do they? Where? Since when? Are you talking about your 5 friends from tumblr?
I just like Dragon Age I guess
Same. Even though it annoys me at times, I find it comfy. I'm fully expecting Dreadwolf to be a disaster and the final one in the series. The netflix show was ass though
The annoying female qunari from the TV show is likely to be the female qunari party member in Dead Name.
>I'm fully expecting Dreadwolf to be a disaster and the final one in the series.
It’ll definitely be shit and I’ll probably still give it a try anyway
>The netflix show was ass though
I never watched it, only found out about Meredith a couple threads ago
>Why was it so hated on release
Because it's a shit unfinished and repetitive game that abandoned all that made DAO good just like ME2 compared with ME1
>and what made people look back on it so fondly?
This hasn't nor will ever happen
There is quite literally only one good thing about DA2 and that's its credits theme
>that's its credits theme
Florence is amazing. Her Jenny of Oldstones song almost saved Game of Thrones
I was talking about Mage Pride, anon
>Why was it so hated on release
Cause it was shit
>and what made people look back on it so fondly?
Nothing because that never happened
Because they didn’t want to make RPGs anymore. They just wanted to create action slop for the normie crowd, clearly. The voiced protagonist was catering to dumb Mass Effect fans
>Why was it so hated on release and what made people look back on it so fondly?
we didn't know how much worse things would get
Hindsight is 20/20
2 was bad and continues to be, but at least you can still sorta see it as Dragon Age, even if very shittily
Inquisition doesn't even feel like the same franchise
I can look back on it without vitriol because I had no great hopes for it. I thought DA:O was disappointing game on release and I now think it has aged very poorly due to its brown presentation and its safely generic approach to fantasy. DA2 is colourful and it doesn't waste your time with long stretches in the Deep Roads and the Fade, so in some respects it's an improvement over its predecessor.
>so in some respects it's an improvement over its predecessor.
Maybe the worst take anyone has ever had
Easily shittiest take all week
You got this from a Bioware forum didn't you?
>DA2
>colorful
even leaving aside everything else, what the frick
>and what made people look back on it so fondly?
nothing is still one of the worst games ever made
Making it were all interactions with flemeth moot was a weird ass take even weirder than inquisitions permanent leliana staus.I hope the new one gets rid of that spongy combat garbage the two sequels had.Two is also responsible for the self insert midget who supposed to be cool?You guys dwarves are better than taolkens and you just throw it all away for some marvel quip machine.
No one wants the new one so hope what you want. No one is buying it.
This is an obscenely bad game. It was the beginning of the end for BioWare.
Right after the masterpiece Mass Effect 2, release this... It was a shock.
ME2 is also a bad game and the actual herald for the death of Bioware but Ganker isn't ready for that conversation
Only in your autistic mind.
Oh, we're having that conversation almost every Mass Effect thread. And I bet it's you that starts it every time.
Are you the idiot that tried to equate the Pragia facility's child disposal services and torture surgeries as a "parental issue" perhaps?
They both have that weird movie atmosphere about them,like they gutted the gameplay in favor of cinematics and it hurt both games tb h
If this was a masterpiece for you, you were part of the problem.
At least DA2 did not gut mechanics for muh streamlining. At least it was more open than DAO (though not much more, and that's a low bar in the first place).
>At least DA2 did not gut mechanics for muh streamlining
it literally did though
>At least it was more open than DAO
Black WHAT
>At least it was more open than DAO
Are you moronic?
>At least DA2 did not gut mechanics for muh streamlining.
Yes. You are
>Why was it so hated on release
Origins was so good
>what made people look back on it so fondly?
Inquisition was so bad
BG3 is gonna make the new one look so embarrassingly bad it got to go down in the history books.
It's the reason EA tried to make a smear campaign saying that BG3 is a unattainable goal lmao
Thinking about current DEI standards, and how this was a prime elven mare back in 2014, I can't even imagine what modern horrors await us, in 2024.
Dead Name is going to look so bad, it will make me want to buy Star Wars Outlaws instead.
Im assuming only one white male (gay),greasy elf is def coming back ,cassandra is gone replaced by black woman warrior who belittles you,new elf guy,new dwarf girl, and maybe morrigan?
Less combat options than before
more talking than before
more buggy than before
and more shitty plot than before
>and maybe morrigan?
Claudia Black says she's not involved
FUUUUUUUUUU
she was the best thing about cisquition
Why would they not
Incredibly bizarre fumble
Because Morrigan is an attractive woman that wears revealing clothing, which makes the troons in charge seethe
https://twitter.com/TheClaudiaBlack/status/1588673805538689024
Thank god, means they cant ruin her.
This
Morrigan's only appearance in a future Dragon Age game should be a letter where she informs she reunited with her husband (Me) and is currently waiting on her third child
I legitimately don't think there's anything anyone is really looking forward to in this game.
Like, the franchise is so fricked at this point, what even is there to root for?
Everything gets retconned every other game, any way.
And I understand that it's always considered "current interpretation", in universe. I don't care, at this point, and I just don't care what will change to what next time, because nothing is consistent, to get invested in.
>Why was it so hated on release
Because the game sucks to play and the story (mainly Anders) makes all your choices invalid by the end
>what made people look back on it so fondly
Despite its major flaws it had more likeable characters (Merrillgays can die) than Inquisition has while also visually looking more appealing
>also visually looking more appealing
this is just flatly untrue. DA2 is even uglier than DAI somehow. Like AT LEAST Inquisition had decent environments.
I mean, DA2 wasn't pretty, but at least the character designs weren't as bad.
as long as you don't look at their hands
Why did you do that? I had completely forgotten about that. I got a picture somewhere, too. Jesus Christ.
Built for my Qunari
>either the stinky poo or cass whos still hot but way less than she was in 2
Anyone that thought Inquisition characters looked good needs their eyes checked
Like, can you imagine, with the crowd that Bioware has currently associated themselves with, to have any new character look like anything that isn't a homogenized androgynous slop?
Can you imagine the twitter meltdowns, if they don't?
Can you fathom the backpedaling? It's gonna make the Hanley Adams thing look like smooth sailing. And they had to redo that something like 15 times, before the LGBTQIA2MP+ community kinda piped down.
Best bet is they fired everyone from Andromeda and just backpedaled tbh but considering the leaked Dragon Age gameplay (if its real) its gonna be some gay GoW style combat when I prefer DAOs over the rest. Would still much prefer turn-based but beggars cant be choosers.
We had a post about a gameplay tester, that said it basically played like Andromeda with swords, where you couldn't control your party members, but at least you can give them orders in Dread Wolf.
Even then, even with no one from Andromeda involved, that just leaves us with Anthem and Inquisition. Neither one is promising. We're at a point where we will not like any character, and won't like their designs either. I don't expect miracles with the plot either. We've already been told that diversity and representation will take priority. I'm just waiting to watch the inevitable trainwreck. I am fully expecting DA4 to be a cautionary tale about game dev practices, just like every other new Bioware installment in the past 10 13 years now.
DAI was a hit or miss. For example: Cassandra: Sorta hit, Josephine: Miss.
DA2 at least they were pleasant to look at.
I never did hate it, just found it disappointing, mostly because of how it ended. Having said that i played it as a teen and i could tolerate a lot more shit than i can now, so who knows how id find it on replay.
DA2 and ME2 are my favorites out of the trilogies.
And Godfather 3 is my favorite too
Too bad she looks like an ayy lmao and is a complete moron in game who uses blood magic
I'm pretty sure there is only 1 dungeon design that they reuse by closing of different sections each time.
>darkspawn in DA:O
>horrible twisted perversions of each race
>darkspawn in DA2
>gangly googly skeleton zombies
I played the demo they released first, and I genuinely thought that the darkspawn were just placeholders because there was no way they were that comically awful.
Not only that, the amount of available skills, consumables and general control felt so limited and downgraded compared to Origins. I never got over that fricking demo.
Like, I get shit opens up as you progress, but that opening, I have never felt so limited playing anything before in my life.
Its a minor tragedy that "begging the question" is such a confusing phrase that even 110 IQ normoid+ types can spend their whole life without understanding it
Is there some non-english language that encapsulates the idea better
Petitio principii
Why do so many people like Sten? Don't get why he's so popular, he barely talks and is moronicly straight forward.
>Why do so many people like Sten?
>he barely talks and is moronicly straight forward.
Are you a woman
>he barely talks and is moronicly straight forward.
Yeah, that's why we're best friends.
He's like an butthole Drax, how is that confusing?
stop it anons, im just finishing me trilogy, i dont want to play da too
I’m playing through both atm
DAO is super fricking good, i must've replayed it like 5 times
DA2 was pretty bad, only completed it once
DAI was around the middle, played it two times
I love Fenris!
kino
It plays and looks nothing like the first game. The jarring change turned a lot of people off right away.
it was good fun. it just felt like a step back from origins. you didn't get to create your mc. combat was streamlined. equipment was streamlined and less customizable.
i always liked it. what it does right, it does well enough for me. combat was still fun. characters are silly and fun.
>it was good fun
you can’t enjoy something in spite of its flaws anon
I don't believe anyone had fun with DA2.
alright
If people can have fun with Dark Souls 2, I don't doubt people can have fun with Dragon Age 2.
I don't consider DS2 as bad as DA2. DA2 is a lesson in how to not make a release product.
I don't believe anyone had fun with DAI either.
>I don't believe anyone had fun with DAI
I do.
For a lot of people (homosexuals), DA is just a romance simulator
They don't care about story, characters, lore, gameplay, skill trees, combat... they want their gay or lesbian romance and that's it, game could be a text adventure with a few images and they'd be happy
I don’t believe anyone had fun with DAI but here we are. Some homosexuals love collecting 20 doohickeys in every map just like other homosexuals like more linear storytelling.
My criticisms at the time it released:
>customization was heavily limited from choose your own beginning.
>darkspawn look stupid
>game went from automated battle timer to button spam attack button.
>skills were diluted down to many passives with a few active skills (origins wasn't better per se, but it sucked when you got a skill point that it only was a passive boosts and no real active changes like having a new skill would do personally)
>the story was cut into 3 segments and split between time skips, not the most egregious thing, but made the story disjointed to me
>reusing maps was the big one
>tbh the characters in DA2 were pretty bland outside the usual fan favorites like Varric.
>stuck in 1 city and its surrounding land, the other big one, despite allowing more story beats, it didn't utilize it well, and the reused maps made it more baffling.
And then DAI came out and I will forever look back on DA2 fondly. The characters in DAI were blander, more annoying, and literally forgettable (rogue ghost guy) (excluding the few good ones like again varric and great bull), and the story was just underwhelming. The gameplay devolved from button mashing into spamming mages to get shield rotations to roll through anything. And despite being a grand adventure across many places, you always had to deal with either empty deserts, or increasingly smaller, more linear maps once you escape the hinterlands. And how despite the game having you be able to choose templars or mages, the mages are in the first area, so unless players knew they had to go out of their way to recruit the templars instead, most people just 100% hinterlands when it first came out and locked a decent quest out in favor of time travel BS.
I hated every character in DA:I, that I didn't find forgettable. Including emasculated Varric.
I only liked generic name guy. I forget his name, but I have a game for it.
Shield beard.
Tower beard.
Black tower.
Blackwall!
That's his name, frick.
Blackwell managed to be the best character by hardly having any character
I fricking hate Dragon Age so much, after DA2 and DA:I, that I never want to see this fricking game release.
But on the other hand, the post release Bioware cope will be stupendous, and I don't want to miss that.
Cole is just a bad concept
I think Iron Bull is the writer's pet. He's definitely some fat woman or homosexual OC husbando
He's David Gaider's gay fantasy
Makes sense
His fat ass wouldn't really appeal to most women
Man, dai companions really sucked ass. Varric was decent and solas was this games morigan, which is fine i guess. Rest range from average to what the frick were they thinking
I wanted to kill Solas the moment I met him. Why wasn't I allowed to?
I found him entertaining, always shitting on elfs for being morons. His dlc is honestly the only good part of inquisition
>I found him entertaining
I found him moronic, to be honest.
And way too much plot armor.
Everything with Anders and Isabelle and Merrill was 100% stupid as shit
I wanted to murder Isabelle and Anders pretty early on and was very upset I had to sit and let them be idiotic fricks that ruin everything for everyone
>what made people look back on it so fondly?
The only thing I can think of is the fact that Inquisition came out afterwards and was even worse.
Best thing about 2 are those 3 vocal songs that aren't even in the game. What was up with that?
It is probably the worst game I've ever played, and I've played some serious fricking dogshit.
>graphics and environments
It looks like it's unfinished, because it is unfinished. NPC's in town have clear placeholder assets. There is precisely one female body model that is applied to every single female character, which is why your ancient mother has the same ass and breasts as the moronic sexpot thief. There are three generic "dungeon maps" and when you entered a dungeon you'd get one of those three maps with the doors opened or closed in different patterns. Animations are stock from other Bioware games or else shoddy. Combat animations are so fast that they look goofy, and have no real anticipation or recovery.
>gameplay
It was abundantly clear from playing the game and levelling up that the skills and abilities were designed with much the same kind of combat as DA:O in mind where enemies already exist in the world and you need to prepare and figure out good positioning. The actual game, however, spawns enemies out of thin air around you and gives many of them teleports. This makes establishing and holding good positioning basically impossible which makes a whole host of abilities useless and promotes mindless spam. And oh, the melee is just that: mindless spam.
>writing
Absolute dogshit. Some of the most idiotic and obnoxious characters that have ever inhabited an RPG. You have very little in the way of actual choices to make, and your dialogue selections are terrible paraphrases of what you'll actually say. The options will usually be something like 'yes, sarcastic yes, I'm mad but yes."
Stupid shit happens constantly and isn't limited to small side quests. Merrill's keeper scaring her tribe so bad that they literally jump into a monster's mouth to run away from Merill and then trying to fight a demon on her own is next-level moronic. Doubly so when you beat like 6 of those same demons on the way to the forest.
The only looking back on it fondly I can really do is remember 2011 and how by those standards a lackluster single player RPG was the worst thing ever. 2011 wasn't the best time in gaming, of course, but it's all so quaint in comparison to now.
It was hated because it was bad. However, it was not BioWare’s fault that it was bad because they were only given five minutes to make the game. However, every bad game that came out after DA2 was their fault.
it was DLC streched into full game
Had potential, but was undercooked to absolute shit it wasn't even funny. Needed 2 years extra in development.