>Dragon Dance + Defog + Removes Substitute
What a moronic move.
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>Dragon Dance + Defog + Removes Substitute
>Dragon Dance + Defog + Removes Substitute
What a moronic move.
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>Stall hands typed this
Entry hazards are the single most important thing for hyper offense. Defog is most popular on stall teams
removes your own sub
Skill issue
skull tissue
you have dragon dance up and don't yeet the mouse/ferret before it can pull that shit?
it doesn't remove it, it sets it up
moves are getting too good and with too many effects
I don't know about too good as a whole, but there are so many moves and abilities (in this gen in particular) that have so many different effects for no reason.
Pokemon is going the way of Yu-Gi-Oh cards and gacha games now.
It's a move exclusive to a shitmon that has one (1) stat above 75. It's good so you have a reason to use the shitmon. That's how game balance works.
Furret gets it now too.
>Maushold has 75 Attack
>Furret has 76 Attack
bros... the powercreep... when will it end...?
It's over
>fanfic meta
Hey verlisify
>It's a move exclusive to a shitmon that has one (1) stat above 75.
For now.
They will probably start giving it to a few pseudo-legend tier pokemon in the upcoming future gens.
Honestly I could see this being a rodent mon exclusive move. And I want this to happen solely because seeing a Guts Raticate with Tidy Up sounds like it'll tear omega ass in ZU.
Checked. Imagine Tidy Up MAgearna for the maid inspiration
Not the issue, the issue is that they make moves like this for 1 mon, then they give it to 50 mons later on and it becomes broken. GF can't bring themselves to keep moves exclusive outside of pikachu and abandoned mons
Only Sticky Web has remained balanced thus far, only being given to shitmons. But eventually they will give it to a new shillmon, or Volcarona.
As a series gets older it's bound to have rot like this.
>eventually they will give it to a new shillmon
I hope so. I'm not gonna use Shuckle just for one move.
Ribombee is probably the best setter since it gets shit like moonblast and quiver dance
The problem is Game freak cant commit to actaully balancing anything. There are some programmers who respect Pokemons to let them have value instead of making them fodder to make GenWun look better so they give save they overpowered moves/abilities for Pokemon that are otherwise lackluskter and are even willing to throw a bone to neglected shitmons for early gens. But then some ZARDgay can't help themselves and fricks it up by giving broken shit to the already broken shillmons.
https://www.pikalytics.com/pokedex/gen9vgc2023regulatione
How many gen 1 Pokemon do you see in the top 50?
Pokemon is Yugioh-fying.
I wish it removed screens.
They balanced it out by giving it only to shitmons
They're trying too hard to make regional shitmons metagame relevant during the one gen they debut in. It's one of the main factors driving powercreep.
>Maushold is powercreep
Maushold is a symptom. What Pokemon this gen doesn't have some kind of OC move or ability?
Why is it a bad thing for a Pokémon to have unique tools that give them a niche?
There are over 1000 Pokémon now, if the game is just about stat checks and type matchups there wouldn't be much reason to use more than a handful
>Why is it a bad thing for a Pokémon to have unique tools that give them a niche?
The ways they're doing it is so artificial.
>My Pokemon has Dragon Dance that also clears hazards and substitutes!
>Oh yeah? Well my Pokemon gets an attack raise when hit with a fire move and can't get burned!
>That's nothing! MY Pokemon has a move that does 25% damage to water and steel Pokemon every turn even if I switch out AND it is immune to status conditions AND it takes less damage from ghost moves!
It's like they took surveys at playgrounds to try and make new moves, it all comes off as kids trying to one-up each other by creating new powers.
You didn't address why you think it's a problem. Besides, flash fire is as old as abilities themselves.
>You didn't address why you think it's a problem.
I did, you didn't read my posts well enough. There's too many effects given to single moves & abilities now. It's all a really lazy way to try and create viability.
Why is it too many effects?
Substitute itself has a lot more effects and variables than that.
>The ways they're doing it is so artificial.
What is the non-"artificial" way that you imagine they could be doing it instead?
How does Tinkaton stand out without Gigaton Hammer?
>How does Tinkaton stand out without Gigaton Hammer?
Gigaton Hammer isn't as much of a problem, it's a unique take on Hyper Beam. But it also doesn't stand out.
If an effect needs to have "and" in the description, there's too much going on. Water Bubble used to be an outlier, now most new Pokemon have something like it.
Substitute itself is simple, it grants a substatus that has defined rules. Purifying Salt is just a pile of effects.
So Twineedle is an artifical powercreep gimmick move because it hits multiples times AND can poison?
Okay. But like Water Bubble, that's a one-off move.
So you're saying Pokémon being given special moves (or Abilities, Water Bubble is an Ability) with unique or compound mechanics wasn't common until Gen 8+?
It wasn't.
Then what is your point? They've been giving Pokémon unique complex gimmick moves to set them apart and give them a niche since Gen I, so if it hasn't become particularly more common recently, what are you complaining about?
>Then what is your point?
That it's become more common than it was backk then.
>created by sacrificing 25% of your HP
>can't be used if you have less than 25% of your total HP
>grants you immunity to all status
>grants you immunity to all damage
>grants you immunity to status lowering moves
>damage it takes uses your total HP as reference
>doesn't protect you from damage from status you already have
>disappears if you switch
That's a lot more effects and variables than
>clears subs and field effects and gives you a boost
If you really want to go this route and insist that Substitute has too many effects, look at Shed Tail.
I don't think substitute has too many effects, it just has a lot and that makes it a cool and interesting move. I think tidy up and shed tail are also great.
The complexity of these mechanics keep the game interesting, if the only things to take into account were stats and type matchups battles would be incredibly dull.
I only dislike complex mechanics when they're specifically designed to make a pokemon extremely overpowered, like in the case of mega Groudon, Kyogre and Rayquaza.
There are so many Pokemon that just giving them a "unique" combination of existing abilities and moves wouldn't really make them stand out anymore. Without signature moves and abilities a lot of the new Pokemon would be boring. Case in point, all the new Pokemon without anything special are largely ignored (see Klawf and Veluza) or dropped as soon as a returner can do their job better (Overcoat Revavroom and Flash Fire Armarouge).
Klawf and Veluza have very unique gimmicks, they're just not good Pokemon
Klawf and Veluza both have something special in each of their respective Shell Smash clones.
>making a pokemon play more unique is “artificial”
Ok anon. I’m sure the game would be better if every electric type was a fast special attacker with static, or every Fire type was a relatively balanced special attacker with flame body. That model isn’t tenable anymore, hence why they started adding more off the wall abilities and hidden abilities in gen 5.
I think it’s all of them besides Lokix and Cetitan
but Lokix has a move that only 3 mons learn
oh also Squawkabilly and Clodsire
oh nooooo, not the boosted Maushold, what am I gonna do if it population bombs me?
*switches in rocky helmet corviknight*
*switches in Tink to HEEM Corviknight*
>on two dogshit mons
Bad mons should actually get more over tuned signatures moves and abilities
It's on shit mons so it's not a big deal.
However if they gave it to Cinncino though... THEN I could see this move being a legitimate threat.
It's very in nature for chinchillas to be tidy.
I can't wait for it to come back in the DLC.
>learns Tidy Up
>doesn't need to run Skill Link anymore with Loaded Dice and can go with Technician instead
>Terra is just going to power those moves even more
Not quite OU, but definitely a much more fun and threatening to use.
>gets bullet sneed and wiener blast
Yeah this is gonna be funny to see
Trading Skill Link for Technician isn't that big of a change, it's just gaining the ability to change up its moves compared to a Choice Band set. Tidy Up would give it some nasty 4MSS.
>it's just gaining the ability to change up its moves compared to a Choice Band set
You say that like it's not a huge improvement
You still have a chance of your 4-hits to do less damage than a banded guaranteed 5.
You can mitigate that by being able to actually exploit your opponent's weaknesses and predicting switch-ins.
Tbf I think not being able to be Choice locked while using Cinno now with loaded dice is nice and is the final big draw.
Will you miss out on power potential? Sure. But LD will always give you consistent 100~125 BP with those moves. Which end up being boosted by technician anyways. Also this is with the assumption of having Tidy Up, which will hurt everything super hard and outspeed majority of the meta game with just 1.
Not OU material by any means but if there's going to be a successful Tidy Up user that isn't Zoom Lens locked or isn't complete garbage, Cinno will be our hero.
Yeah like the fact this thing can run Tech/Loaded Dice with Tail Slap, Bullet Seed/Rock Blast, Knock Off and Tidy Up will make this mon surprisingly fun to use. Especially if it gets back Triple Axel for additional coverage.
is population bomb bugged? I've never seen it hit less than 10 times
It rolls a 90% accuracy check ten times, so it has about a 1/3rd chance of getting all ten hits.
If you use a Wide Lens, each of those hits has a 99% chance of triggering, so you're almost guaranteed to get all 10.
When's the 10 hit, 60 BP, raises all stats, lowers all enemy stats, causes burn attack as a signature move of a Pokemon with Skill Link ant Technician for abilities
Urshifu has something like that
> Let's put four stupid mice together and call it a Pokemon!
Generations 8 and 9 were a mistake.
Soul
Dugtrio: 3 souls
Maushold: 4 souls
Maushold wins
The Dugtrio rubble alone had a lot of effort and love poured into it compared to Maushold.
You are right but not because of Maushold.
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