I get people want more surface land to wander and explore, but something like that alone wouldn't be nearly as replayable as a super dungeon like a bigger and better BBI would be. So if I couldn't have both, it's this.
Just give me Bittererblacker Isle at this point. It's clear that Itsuno's vision is shit, if he thinks DD2 as it is presently is his magnum opus. Steal ideas from DD1.
>Big dungeon or More map or both
Leak talked about an cold/snow map fits well into the Desert/Woodland/Mountain we already have >More skills or More vocations or both
Sorcerer desperately needs more spells, more non magical hybrid vocations >More enemy types
eed more variety, saurians and goblins is all you get >More gear
I personally think we need more gear for barechested guys. I want to play a barbarian but I only get a leather drape with shitty bracers, the other otions all have bras or brassieres.
I honestly don't want DLC. The game just isn't fun. I feel like the combat just isn't as good as the first game. Maybe its just that I'm older but I would need to go back and play dark arisen again to find out of that still feels fun.
It's a side grade in most ways. Combat just plays differently and is better in some ways and worse in others. Physics are great but performance is bad. Characters creation and gear looks great but has lost a lot of flexibility. Probably at least worth trying if you liked the first game and can run it but, as someone who like dark arisen enough to play it three times I have mixed feeling myself.
dark arisen was really good and I expected something similar or higher from dd2, but if I'm getting more dd1 vanilla with some different stuff I think I'll pass
I get the impression it started off as a remake and was changed into a sequel half way through. Some things are added and some things are removed. Also feels like it was released unfinished, just like the first game. There are obvious signs of where they intended to have more content dotted all over the map.
Can't really call it an upgrade or a down grade, it's just another Dragon's Dogma game.
most vocations are a downgrade except for warrior
worse combat overall (clunkier, less responsive controls, more annoying enemy tracking where they lock on you)
worse OST
barely any new monsters so if you have played DD1 you wont be impressed by anything
its probably alright if you havent played DDDA since release but since i played it less than a year ago i can feel all of the downgrades
>Most vocations are a downgrade
Nobody who played both games can actually believe this, literally the only people I see b***hing it's because >MUH STRIDER
Strider is just a lamer thief with a bow, anyone who wants to play Strider can just play fricking thief
And if the bow is so god damn important to your autism you have Warfarer
>Sorcerer loses half of its spells >Magick archer, ranger and thief lose double jump >Magick archer and ranger lose dodge along with their melee weapons >Every class loses two skill slots >This is somehow not a downgrade
>b-but muh core skills, (DD1 also had core skills)
or >you're clearly a shitter, the game is harder and thus better with less skills, thus downgrades are good
its either one of these, they just can't admit it was downgraded like men
The answer is that the number of skills is completely irrelevant to the actual core gameplay >Sorcerer has levitate as a core skill in DD1 that is the same as Mage not needing a skill slot for anodyne in DD2
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The answer is that the number of skills is completely irrelevant to the actual core gameplay
anon...
DD gameplay is centered around using skills and managing your stamina
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah and now those same skills are a part of your actual moveset instead of >need a fricking skill to dodge roll
Skillset changes were about giving identity to vocations and making them actually function as intended unlike DD1 where you end up with butt fricking moronic shit like Sorc being essentially a direct upgrade of mage and the optimal gameplay being to just not cast any spell besides imbue holy
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>need a fricking skill to dodge roll
thanks for confirming you didn't play 1
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you literally didnt play the first one kek
I didn't play Strider line, it uses the dagger skill+ jump input so I always assumed it was a slotted skill watching people use it lol
>DD1 also had core skills
In DD1, tusk toss, scarlet kisses and anodyne were not core skills. They were skills you had to equip and lose a slot on.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
And? To get tusk toss by default you lost two other core skills / attack combos. To get anodyne in your base kit you lost melee swings, magic agent, two spell slots and having more than one spell of each of the basic elements. Like sure swift cast is nice and all but you lose out on a lot of shit for it.
Was every fighter honestly full timing tusk toss?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>To get tusk toss by default you lost two other core skills / attack combos
No, Fighter did really well out of context animations and critical finishers. Skyward Lash, Downcrack and Flesh Skewer were all incorporated into the new system, so between that and Tusk Toss Fighter are almost eating as well as Warriors.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you get reflect, contextual attacks too
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Was every fighter honestly full timing tusk toss?
Absolutely, yes. And shield skills were mostly useless so default tusk toss plus 4 other skills is objectively better.
Hard doesnt' mean good, and DD2 is much easier than DD1 or DD:DA. I'll never undertand the autist's empahsis on "difficulty" in games. I guess it's because frequently they don't have any real world accomplishments, and so they assume that grinding through sadistic gameplay is comparable to something with a proper tradeoff of effort and enrichment, like learning a language, getting a degree, having sex, or raising a family. Games are meant to be fun, not grueling. Life (when you don't live in your mom's basement) is already grueling enough.
Also having fewer options doesn't necessarily mean "harder", just more limited. Cookie Clicker isn't a very hard game, but your options are extremely limited. Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous has a frickton of options to choose from, yet on Unfair that game will rip your balls off and force feed them to you.
I would have preferred if DD2 provided more options than DD:DA for your class skills. I would have preferred if I had EIGHT active skills at all times, and felt like I absolutely needed every single one wisely or I'd get shit on. that isn't what DD2 delivered, though. Oh well, back to spamming Meteoron I guess.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>having sex
Kekking at this accomplishment.
I guess having enough courage to pay for a prostitute counts
Sorc is massively improved from DD1. The total number of spells doesn't much matter when inreality 90% of casts are miasma and the magic shotgun buff. Now it actually plays like they clearly wanted it to in the first game, revolving around powerful elemental spells and the odd Bolide or Maelstrom (both much more doable in combat).
I wouldn't say "massive", but generally it's more focused. I still want more spells back, and it bothers me that they don't get Necromancy, since that would seam in-line with their very offense-oriented spell battery. Like a purely offensive perfersion of Palladium or something, it just would make sense that sorcs would get it.
Also, I still want six spell slots back. Casting Hagol and Meteoron gets boring. Even if the additional slots where extraneous, at least it would give the class some variety.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Thunder Mine is the new Necromancy, at least in my style of play. It's quick to cast too, so again feels a lot better in practice than Necromancy, which always felt awkward to use.
I don't feel vocations are worse, but I do feel they are WILDLY imbalanced
Trickster feels like they had a good idea but fricked it up, it needs to be more about buffing and debuffing than just the one skill, Thief and Mage feel pretty good, Warrior and Fighter feel super weak, but Sorc, MK and MA all feel like I have console command Kill bound to a key
>MK
Assuming you're talking about spearhand, it's the most fun vocation in either 1 or 2 imo once you git gud enough to play it without the crutch bubble.
Yeah I mixed it up with DDDA naming lol
I'm talking mostly about fighting big stuff, Minotaurs and Drakes are just outright deleted by Mael/Meteor/Rico/Spear Laser in comparison to bonking something in the shins/slapping your shield and hoping to not get flattened when you climb
Unless I'm missing some super fun combo on Fighter and Warrior, I know people seem to like the latter
Spearhand's kamehameha isn't even that amazing. It only really hits hard if you manage to hit a weakpoint which is difficult beyond point blank range with how godawful the accuracy is and even then its dps is outdone by the maister skill.
Warrior can definitely dish out the damage, its just the whole you must hit a weak spot as melee with low mobility that's the issue. So its a struggle till you go all into stagger
Yeah I have Dwarf on everthing plus using Maces/Hammers on the pure phys classes, so stagger is great, till the Drakes fly up and you spend 20 minutes climbing the tail in heavy armor
get a bunch of silence books or a pawn with silence
if the dragon tries to cast a spell while flying then you can silence it for an instant long stagger
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah I realised Silence is a big deal against them playing Mage, pretty funny to make a dragon fail a spell so badly it falls over and cries for a bit
On the one hand, making each vocation unique rather than having shared weapons and adding certain skills into the base moveset is a good idea. I prefer more unique vocations rather than more vocations with shared movesets.
On the other hand, blue vocations got fricked, the limit to 4 skills hurts some vocations more than others. It completely fricking ruins the point of warfarer for one.
Mage comes out much better off in dd2, celerity and palladium are excellent buffs, argent succor and empyrean are undead nukes with utility and celestial phean is party wide liquid vim on repeat. Sorc suffer hard in comparison however..
Its fine on it's own but when you compare it to 1 you notice the stuff that's missing or downgraded >Combat encounters are too close together it's difficult to take five steps without triggering another one >Vocations have less skills and versatility than in 1 >Removal of Mystic Knight >Sorcerer is missing iconic spells like Gicel, Miasma, Exequey etc and all if its elemental buff spells, Mage is noticeably buffed instead. >Ferrystones are given out like candy in the postgame going against the 'fast travel makes your game boring' mantra they were spouting before launch >Removal of clothing armor, clothing leggings and arm armour slots >Escort quest reward is not worth doing, especially compared to DD1 where they gave weapons, curatives etc. >No generic noticeboard quests >Pawns with quest knowledge will lead you directly to where you have to go, instead of the less direct verbal hints in DD1 >Mage/Sorc have a ridiculous advantage in traversal due to Levitate, this is made more abundant due to removing Double Jump. >The final Seeker Token (220) reward is worthless by the time you receive it, ring for double DCP as your vocations will surely by maxed by the time you find them all. >Magick Archer and Warfarer vocations seem to be implemented rushed, both obtained in same spot, both immediately receive maister skill >Resting at an inn is far too expensive in early game, and rendered moot in midgame when you own multiple houses to sleep for free >Both villains have next to zero presence and everyone seems more concerned about the throne than the Dragon
"No".
MK is based
im tired of warriorgays and how they say an extra skill changed everything and saved DD2, frick warriorBlack folk, their class is the worst shit in the series
>Monhun GS >whiff everything in your combo until you get to the unga bunga damage part >DD2 Warrior >Super armor everything. Your shoryuken? Super armor. Your shoulder check? Super armor. Your farts? Super Armor. >normal attack and weapon skill that hits faster with each swing when you're not a frick up
In what way are they even remotely the same thing?
Warrior is borderline unplayable once you reach Battahl, maybe its because I didn't pick the dwarven upgrades but you get stunlocked a shit ton by all the mob enemies, even with the classes extra hyper armor.
I spit on Itsunos vision.
>stunlocked a shit ton by all the mob enemies
Legit do not understand how this happens to people. When I played warrior it just seemed like super armor was a big frick you to everything except for maybe a drake landing on top of your head. As long as I was charging up a skill or attacking nothing could frick with me.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Warrior gets a native 300 knock down resist, as well as hyper armour while charging and unleashing charge attacks. Fighter and Warfarer get a bit of native knockdown resist (nowhere near as much). Everyone else gets nothing, and will get staggered by basically everything unless they're investing heavy into Dwarven forging.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's my point. When I was warrior in Battahl I wasn't getting this whole thing about getting stunlocked by anyone so long as I was already in the process of an attack or charging for a skill. And at the time I didn't even have dwarven forged gear, most my shit was vermund for the weight reduction.
homie you need to be attacking non stop, just your basic attack where you time your swings to keep attacking faster.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Be fair, he probably didn't know he can do that and was running around waiting for the enemy to finish attacking before he can take his turn to swing twice.
Warrior is finally good now anon
Fighter sucks because you have to just frame parry while warrior is an unga bunga monke who ignores all your attacks even if you're a drake.
What generates this reaction? I honestly don't understand it.
Like, you're tired of hearing it because it's a common complaint. It's a common complaint because MK was a well-liked class, and so removing it feels like an odd move by Capcom. There isn't even a movement towards comprimise in your post, not a "well yeah, but at least with MS now and that's a cool class", no, it's basically just you whining and b***hing that people want something they can't have anymore.
A LOT of people liked MK because it had a unique playstyle and was a powerful class. DD2 Fighter was supposed to be altered to fill in as MK, but it isn't the same because it can't generate its own elemtnal effects on shield or cast area denial spells. DD2 Fighter is very different from DD:DA MK. It's not a proper substitute. The result is that a substantial portion of the community recognizes that their favorite class, and more importantly preferred archetype, was outright REMOVED from the sequel, and it didn't have to be. Capcom could have easily included MK, and nobody really knows why they didn't (though I have a suspicion as to why the didn't).
But yeah, these "move on lol" posts are weird. I can't tell if this sentiment is astroturfing Capcom damage control or just people who are really callous and stupid.
>removal of mystic knight
I like DD1 way more than 2, but this is the one common complaint that I can't agree with. The class was played as either a fighter that had to sit around casting buffs before every fight, or a sorcerer with none of the spectacle.
Granted Spearhand sucks too since its only defensive tool is a godmode button, but it's at least conceptually more fun
Mystic Knight enjoyers don't care about "fun". It's about larping as a Paladin or Magic Knight type class. Mystic SpearBlack person is cringe and probably would've worked better as a Lancer or Dragoon type class.
I wouldn't expect everyone to understand this.
MK played right didn't play anything like a fighter at all. In fact, a common complaint from people who didn't understand the class was that it was "just a fighter with elemental damage spells" which it isn't.
As far as a "sorcerer with none of the spectacle", that's certainly a new one. Practically no class matches the Sorcerer for "spectacle", but again, when MK is played right, it isn't anything like a Sorcerer.
Mystic Knight enjoyers don't care about "fun". It's about larping as a Paladin or Magic Knight type class. Mystic SpearBlack person is cringe and probably would've worked better as a Lancer or Dragoon type class.
I wouldn't expect everyone to understand this.
>don't care about "fun"
I have 1,000+ hours on MK alone because to me, it was the most FUN class in DD:DA. Fun is all I care about when I play games, because games are meant to be fun. Without MK, DD:DA would be considerably less FUN for me, which is why DD2 is less FUN for me than DD:DA.
A question for both of you: have either of you played DMC 3? If so, have either of you ever completed a run with Royal Guard? That's the archetype of MK. Take NO damage, become a pillar that controls the battlefield, deflect every attack without breaking a fricking sweat because that's how good your are at predicting enemy movements, and counterattack with something that can literally one shot half the bosses in the game. It's exhilarating when done right, and no other class plays like it. MK is fricking awesome.
Itsuono doesn't have control of every single element of the game. And I included The Witcher as well. It's possible that while Itsuono hasn't played BG3 and didn't use it as inspiration for the overall structure of the game, other people in development have. Even so, it's a gander. My position is generally that DD2 follows a pattern that feels more "western" than DD:DA, with an emphasis on immersion and realism over flash or style. Slower movement, slower combat, weighter controls, stuff like that.
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You have a dog in the argument, because you felt it warranted to attack a position I posted earlier. It's like coming out of a crowd watching a debate an opening your mouth. You're in it now. So you have to options: continue with your position and actually explain what you mean, or slither off back into the crowd like a coward. This is the problem with anonymous forums --- there isn't sufficient social collaterla thrown up when you butt into something you don't know anything about and open up your mouth.
So here's the idea -- MK was *like* Royal Guard from DMC, in that their archetype is similar. Control the battle through defensive action, store up a counter attack and then deliver it for big damage. It's a class that's all about pacing, timing and control. It might not be as "flashy" as another class, but what makes it interesting is that movement from total restraint to explosiveness. Yes, I understand that RG is obviously a more dynamic class than MK, but DMC 3 is general is a more dynamic game than DD:DA. For the games individual rulesets and tempo, these classes, MK and RG, have similarities in their goals and playstyle. This playstyle is FUN for a lot of people, and it's different from many other playstyles offered in both titles. If RG had been removed from DMC 5, people would have b***hed (for good reason) unless a comparable substitute were added to the game.
So you are highlighting that Mystic Knight is (mostly) all about the elemental parry.
Fighter has timed Deflects in both games. Fighter in 2 got the Elemental blowback added to Deflect, as well as the super guard, meaning it does everything worth a damn that Mystic Knight did. Whatever other things MK did like its buffs and few unique spells, these are things also done by (in 1) or have been ported to Fighter, Magick Archer, Spearhand and Mage.
There is no need for Mystic Knight, it not only has "comparable substitutes" in 2, its Royal Guard role has superior functional representation in 2.
Also, I never used the Perfect Block on Fighter in DD2 because I have a rather sour taste from DD:DA, where I don't think it blocked magic attacks or dragon breath attacks, and could be canceled through stagger. It might be better in DD2, but I wouldn't know. For physical attacks, I just relied on deflect and found Perfect Black to be pretty useless. I'm perfectly willing to accept that this might be a "skill issue". I'm not a Fighter main in DD:DA.
vocations are significantly downgraded, the combat is a downgrade from the original, the story is not as good as the original, the armor system is significantly downgraded
I am/was a diehard OG Dogmagay, i.e before Dark Arisen. The best way to describe Dragons Dogma 2 is like going to a watch a mediocre coverband.
First it feels cool hearing your favourite songs live but then you kind of realise, no, these aren't REALLY your favourite songs.
I like it more than DD1 but I'm also not a DD1 cultist. I thought DD1 was a good game with a lot of potential, and I think DD2 is a better game with a lot of potential.
Dissappointing. Feels like the developers wanted something that would capture western audiences and so took more inspiration from things like BG3 or The Witcher than their own beloved product. This is most noticiable with the combat, which is generally slower and clumsier than it was in DD:DA. Their are a few exceptions, like Fighter and arguably Warrior being better than they were in the older games, but nearly every other class ('cept Thief, which is Strider 2.0) was "simplified" and now feels a lot more button-mashy. The other big issue is that this change in direction -- immersion over flash -- would require a well written story and interesting characters, but Capcom is Capcom, and DD2 was apparently rushed out about a year ahead of scheduled release, so the story and characters are absolute trash.
So in the end, it's got a story and characters that are on par with DD:DA (bad) and combat which is at best a sidegrade to the first, depending on your preferences (neutral).
>so took more inspiration from things like BG3
Itsuno was asked about this in an interview and specifically said both that he hasn't played it and isn't aware of any points of comparison between the two
Itsuono doesn't have control of every single element of the game. And I included The Witcher as well. It's possible that while Itsuono hasn't played BG3 and didn't use it as inspiration for the overall structure of the game, other people in development have. Even so, it's a gander. My position is generally that DD2 follows a pattern that feels more "western" than DD:DA, with an emphasis on immersion and realism over flash or style. Slower movement, slower combat, weighter controls, stuff like that.
>Like, why would you even post and not post an argument?
Because I am not posting with the intent of arguing with someone? I'm neither of the people you're arguing with and have no dog in this fight you autist
You have a dog in the argument, because you felt it warranted to attack a position I posted earlier. It's like coming out of a crowd watching a debate an opening your mouth. You're in it now. So you have to options: continue with your position and actually explain what you mean, or slither off back into the crowd like a coward. This is the problem with anonymous forums --- there isn't sufficient social collaterla thrown up when you butt into something you don't know anything about and open up your mouth.
So here's the idea -- MK was *like* Royal Guard from DMC, in that their archetype is similar. Control the battle through defensive action, store up a counter attack and then deliver it for big damage. It's a class that's all about pacing, timing and control. It might not be as "flashy" as another class, but what makes it interesting is that movement from total restraint to explosiveness. Yes, I understand that RG is obviously a more dynamic class than MK, but DMC 3 is general is a more dynamic game than DD:DA. For the games individual rulesets and tempo, these classes, MK and RG, have similarities in their goals and playstyle. This playstyle is FUN for a lot of people, and it's different from many other playstyles offered in both titles. If RG had been removed from DMC 5, people would have b***hed (for good reason) unless a comparable substitute were added to the game.
Then I'll use this place as my steam-of-consciousness journal because I have the power to do so. These posts require minimal effort on my behalf and it isn't like I have anything better to do. Perhaps my 10 minutes of throwaway shitposting will actually inspire a few anons who are too smart to be wasting their life in this cesspool to actually spark a meaningful discussion.
cont.
And it would be viewed as odd if after the hypotheticall removal of RG from DMC 5 without any real explanation or substitute, people started crawling out of the woodwork claiming "lol just get over it", "EUGH stop talking about it and move on autist", or "RG was a niche class and was never any good anyway".
That's my big issue with Ganker's response to this -- it doesn't make sense. Content loved in the original title because it was appealing and unique didn't continue into the sequal. A sequel with longer development time, metrics from over a decade of the previous entry, and a larger budget. No substition or explaination was given after the class was abolished, yet there's a small community who jeer at those who notice this peculiarity. No arguements are usually given, and when they are, it's typically intentionally dismissive, half-baked, or outright erroneous ("it wasn't fun", "nobody played it", "it didn't have enough identity").
Personally, I think the reason MK didn't return is because Itsuono and the developers of DD2 really, REALLY wanted the player to roll with a bunch of pawns. MK and other hybrid classes were viewed as potentially to self-sufficient, and so were axed. If MK had returned, with its trap spells, strong defenses, ability to provide elemental boons to itself, and sword/mace attacks, it would have served as a go-to solo class, and soloing seems to be something the entire game is now designed arround quashing.
>inb4 "homie i ain't reading all that
Of course (You) aren't, illiterate moron. Discussion isn't meant for you, go back to posting waifus.
what your doing isn't a discussion, it's a monologe and it's full of shit. better luck next time
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>not an argument
Cope or nut up and engage, idiot.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you presented none so neither did i
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Every above statement can be argued against.The "you're monologuing" is literally because even after 15 minutes of taking a dumb on this thread, no one actually has the balls to engage in any of what I've crapped out.
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So you are highlighting that Mystic Knight is (mostly) all about the elemental parry.
Fighter has timed Deflects in both games. Fighter in 2 got the Elemental blowback added to Deflect, as well as the super guard, meaning it does everything worth a damn that Mystic Knight did. Whatever other things MK did like its buffs and few unique spells, these are things also done by (in 1) or have been ported to Fighter, Magick Archer, Spearhand and Mage.
There is no need for Mystic Knight, it not only has "comparable substitutes" in 2, its Royal Guard role has superior functional representation in 2.
Yes, MK is largly about elemental parries. There are exceptions of course, but I think the best description I've ever heard of MK is that it's a caster whose primary weapon is the shield and not the sword.
Fighter in DD2 doesn't cut it for two reasons, 1) it doesn't have the power to self-imbue its shield with elemental effects, which MK could do (less self sufficiency), 2) when a mage pawn does imbue the Fighter's shield, the elemental deflect damage is small scale, wheras MKs elemental parries provided area denial effects and could often hit multiple enemies.
Area denial is the other main focus of MK -- this is scene in Vortex Sigil, Ruinous Sigil, Holy Fortress and to some extent Blizzard Fient, Holy Reposte and Botlstorm Fient (stun from chain lightning). Fighter doesn't have access to anything like this, they're largely oriented around drawing aggro and using their deflect to manipulate the tempo of certain fights. It's similar, but doesn't have the power potential of MK when played optimally. The elemental repostes (which again, require a mage in the party to access) are basically a way for Fighter to acquire bonus damage against single attacking targets, no control areas.
Elemental parries AND area control. Fighter isn't a proper substitute. At best it's a poor one.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nta but this is moronic
You are essentially arguing that MK is defined by every single tool in its kit
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
MK is definied by the effect of its skills, which is basically how classes are definied -- what do they DO. The skill provided to MK are oriented around negating damage and area denial, and frequently they're interlocked by the "counter" mechanic -- convert a potential attack against you into area control and damage. I listed a few skills that do this particularly well.
DD2 Fighter is a "tank" class and operates best by drawing aggro and keeping focus away from the backline by dealing physical damage with their sword skills. Deflect is a survival mechanic. Adding an elemental effect isn't the primary way they deal damage, it's bonus damage. Draw aggro, smack the shit outta enemies, swat away enemy attacks, rinse and repeat.
MK is a trapper class. It draws aggro if it wants to, and turns enemy attacks into a playground of absolute frickery for the entire battlefield. When playing an MK well, enemies are going to be stunned, on their ass, frozen solid, or stuck in a cuck funnel for most of the fight. If an MK DOESN'T draw aggro, they have access to spells which punish the enemy for passivity -- Great Cannon, Stone Jungle, and Holy Retribution. Their skills encourage this playstyle. Convert attacks into controlling effects, punish passive enemies with AoEs, control the battlefield.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>MK is a trapper
MK is a fricking tank that also shits out damage and CC through counters god you are such a pseud
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You don't know what you're talking about. >p-p-psued!!
moron.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you sure showed him. your opinions are hot garbage, gaytron
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
If they're hot garbage, explain why. Otherwise you're as moronic as the rest of the clueless fricks here.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I already told you why and you just expanded your b***hing to >”yeah but Fighter doesn’t have every single identical tool to Mystic Knight in DD1”
Like there’s no discussion that can be had here, you’re going to just say you want Mystic Knight EXACTLY and not acknowledge anything else as similar
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
My argument is that Fighter isn't a sufficient substitute for MK. They have a few similarities, but Fighter doesn't have the area control/denial of MK, which I view as a core feature of MKs value in a party. In other words, I don't think the similarities run deep enough to be satisfied with Fighter filling in for MK.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
then hope they add some in the expansion, or somebody makes a mod. that somebody could also be you
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
This is admittedly what I'm hoping for, but I'm not really enjoying the game enough to shell out more money for the promise of content I'll enjoy.
As far as modding, adding in a class with unique skills, progression, items, etc. would probably be a pretty massive undertaking, and Capcom is fairly hostile to modders. While there isn't any outright indication that this could happen in the future, it's not out of the question that they could just start banhammering anyone with mods from participating in pawn trading in the future. Also, I'm not a programmer. I've tried it before and it's just not for me.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
nonsense. there's been plenty mods in 1 and that game was a pain to mod, afaik
DD1 but extended is a good way to put it. There are changes, some of which are positive, some negative, and some very debatable based on taste. Overall I think it's better than DD1 in most ways, and it certainly has a lot more content. Bear in mind though that when I say DD1, I mean DD1, not DDDA. For me that's a good thing, Dark Arisen and Bitterblack Isle were nice in their own way but it's the base game that had everything I really loved. If you're one of the many people who only liked DD1 after DA, then the game really may not be for you (at least until they release some sort of Dark Arisen 2, I guess).
wait for expansions, even though the map is bigger, has objectively more shit in it etc. it feels less finished than the first game, somehow
>it feels less finished than the first game, somehow
It REALLY fricking doesn't. DD2 definitely had a lot cut, but I can't believe anyone who actually played DD1 would come out with that opinion.
Does the ring that gives you extra xp also work on pawns?
Also why the hell is this sphinx asking me to take a vase to some dude a thousand miles away when every piece of terrain in this game is so slippery?
Because she wants you to think outside the box to complete the task or laugh as you fail for doing what she said. She even tells you that much word by word. moron.
>Got to this Riddle >After being given the bottle that lets you scoop up any NPC into it >Probably already has Portcrystal there for even easier NPC abduction
Anon....
Pawns get "catch up" xp if there is a level gap between the arisen and the pawn, and it ramps to a pretty ridiculous modifier if the gap is big. So don't worry about you pawn's xp gain, instead put all the xp gain on yourself if you just want to level up fast.
For anyone who doesn't know this, you can literally drop a port crystal at the shrine, go physically pick the guy up in Bakhbattahl and then use a ferrystone to teleport to the vase while holding him.
DLC #1: A new land mass with snowy mountains and lots of interconnected ruins running beneath the earth. Also, all of those obviously ornate cut content doors are now small dungeons or boss rooms with either level scaled enhanced enemies or unique bosses.
DLC #2: A deep, deep dungeon. If the player dies then they cannot revive by wakestone, but are instead just thrown out of the dungeon and it is reset. Anything found is kept. The lower you go, the better the loot.
>Also, all of those obviously ornate cut content doors
Imagine my disappointment when, during my initial playthrough, I found several of those caved in ornate doors, started marking them on my map for later, got to the unmoored world, thought "oh boy I'm so smart for marking those doors, I bet there's cool shit behind them now", and then I went there and it was fricking nothing.
Hard Mode and NG+ scaling. A mega dungeon like BBI. A new map that improves on the Unmoored World's design (either the snowy north that's mentioned a few times, or an underground area accessible through those doors).
Things that prove challenging as a high level player.
More places where you can cook.
More things you can cook.
More places where you can frick.
It's honestly absurd how if you're aiming to adventure with a full line of buffs that you'd need to go to Vernworth to frick a 3rd floor prostitute then frick off and find the nearest campfire to cook aged beast steak.
I want vocations to be reworked in some way, change the sheathe button to another set of 4 skills and move sheathe to R3 or whatever, that button isn't even used lmao
let some vocations have a secondary weapon, like let magic archers use staves or something, right now we have a secondary weapon slot that's literally only used for shields lol
basically let other classes have the level of bullshit that thieves can pull off
>that button isn't even used lmao
I use it all the time. Cart escorts and town guards all point weapons at you if you have your weapon drawn, and if it stays drawn they turn hostile and attack. It's a really fricking dumb thing specially when you just got done helping them fight off a town invasion or a monster encounter during the ox ride.
A new area and big dungeon or two to explore with as little story as possible because it's clear they're incapable of making a compelling plot. No, I don't fricking care about the shitty "twists" tying the entire story back to the cycles. Also, remove the sliding on any slightly angled surface.
I want something as good as BBI, but I know what we're going to get is a shittier version of the Everfall with CLASSIC bosses like the Evil Eye, and Hydra
They didn't do shit last time, and haven't raised a stink for the decade DD1's been commercially available, they wouldn't stand a chance enforcing any kind of copyright claim for them in DD2.
Focus on fleshing out the Dwarves a bit. There's like only two of them in the game and out of the 3 new races added. They're the ones with the least amount of development when it comes to their culture.
So BBI2, but it's a massive Dwarven hold that goes deep underground.
>They're the ones with the least amount of development when it comes to their culture.
But that's wrong. They have 1 more cultural tidbit about them than the elves do, even with just only 2 dwarves in the whole game. Dwarves >like food for its flavor rather than scent >forge things with the use of volcanos >hate elves to the point that seeing an elf-dwarf couple is considered weird, yet are not averse to helping elves in need like restoring the health of their sacred tree
Elves on the other hand >use their heart to aim bows rather than actual training and hand-eye coordination >worship a tree
>popularity of medieval fantasy open world games higher than ever >golden opportunity for massive sales and to make Dragon's Dogma become one of Capcom's big franchises >"Yeah, let's just half ass it like we did the first game"
God this has to be one of the most disappointing sequels of all time.
It's 4 and most "mandatory class defining skills" from one were made a fixed part of the moveset.
It's literally just shitposters latching onto it because they see it as a "hard number gotcha"
>what are your hopes for DLC?
a development time span long enough for the pajeets and other doomposters to refocus on something else and get further mindbroken.
Just beat the game yesterday.
I honestly think this is one of the best games of all time. Everything feels deliberate. People have misconstrued design eccentricity and actual fricking vision to be incompleteness.
10/10, one of the best games I've ever played for sure. Very few complaints and I loved the original, as well. Maxed out every single vocation, unlocked all augments and skills. Will dabble again with strange Warfarer builds.
The majority of my deaths and wakestones came from falling off cliffs.
I'll never understand the morons that say it's not. The region has all the big monsters from Vermund + Medusa , more monster infighting, better rich people house, and (for melee parties) has enemy types that will actually speed up or slow down your encounter with them based on the weapons your party has.
>keeps the same amount of from the previous region + 1 more >this is somehow a decline in quality
Like that anon asked, why are you a big knacker?
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the same amount of from the previous region + 1 more that can only be found in one specific dungeon + it takes days to respawn >this is somehow a increase in quality
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Anon, this might come as a shock to you but all the enemies take days to respawn after killing them.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
are you genuinely moronic?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
imagine trying to get more than one gryphon kill in 1
>The quality goes downhill as soon as you enter Battahl
which is a lie, It's the portion of the map with a lot of verticality, secrets and probably the best battles with the difficulty increasing conspicuously and enemies gangbanging with their stun attacks. I must have spent 30-40 hours there just exploring without considering the quests and still missed a lot of things
>Everything feels deliberate.
This is the kind of feeling you get in the first game where you're just exploring an area and suddenly you find a chest or a cave, it makes you feel welcomed and it rewards exploration.
There's a story equivalent for that feeling in 2 with the sidequests, after a while you understand why everything is placed where it is, it gives everything a purpose and it makes you learn about the world as you play.
Are people paid by Itsuno to defend against all criticism of this game? It's a cool game but it's pretty fricking far from perfect, especially as a sequel to 1. Comments like this are moronic.
I'd love a huge procgen dungeon that has rest points every few floors, loot that has to be identified back at town, a further upgrade system, a cosmetic layer system, ability to dye gear, massively increased difficulty, more monsters and something like the Ur-Dragon.
Between ricochet, Sagittate torrent and frost hunters you can kill everything in the game fairly easily. Slap on martyr bolt if you want the delete screen memes or not
I love ricochet, but it's so situational and you spend so much time outside that sometimes it's not worth having it equipped before exploring. I'd say the tryhard minmax skillset would be martyr's bolt, sagittate, blazefang and recovery.
Ricochet shot is a cave cleaner it doesn't really do much oudoors but if you wanna use it go for it.
Sagittate arrow is your watered down martyr's bolt. Paired with the archer augment that lets you do more damage when hitting weak points and you'll be taking huge chunks off of enemies.
Martyr's bolt is your screen ender. Just sacrifice enough hp and everything in the direction you're facing will end up dead.
After that you can use anything. Personally I use soporific arrow because enemies will waste their time going into the knockdown animation before getting back in the fight, which is just free damage.
Ricochet lets me pray and spray really far away targets
Also remember the ricochets aren't random all the time, if an enemy is nearby it will go that way after hitting a wall.
Ricochet shot is a cave cleaner it doesn't really do much oudoors but if you wanna use it go for it.
Sagittate arrow is your watered down martyr's bolt. Paired with the archer augment that lets you do more damage when hitting weak points and you'll be taking huge chunks off of enemies.
Martyr's bolt is your screen ender. Just sacrifice enough hp and everything in the direction you're facing will end up dead.
After that you can use anything. Personally I use soporific arrow because enemies will waste their time going into the knockdown animation before getting back in the fight, which is just free damage.
Ricochet is only useful in a semi-enclosed area, so if you're fricking about in the overworld I personally wouldn't bother with it. Frosthunter is in my opinion mandatory, as is Sagittate. You can flex to whatever you want for the other 1-2 skills from there. Martyr's is your big boss DPS button, Recovery is a pretty fricking fantastic heal that can AoE so you don't need to run with a mage if they're mostly just there for heals. Blazefang has an MGS Nikita launcher function which I find funny, but usually you'll deploy it without that mode on. Fortalice is my fun meme choice because it lets your tank pawn have an easier time and has a lot of knockdown power.
so, i just dreamt that:
you use one of the skill buttons instead of forcing you to high five. >spank >head pat >high five >nipple twister >works on all npcs >guards get angry, if you molest citizens
Thats how these people "argue" all the time, throw out bad faith bullshit and hope no one proves them wrong, when they do they derail by moving goalposts to something else.
>Go infiltrate the castle for Sir Black person four times >Okay frick off to Battal for no reason >Le heckin wholesome Killmonger Black person is here to fight you! >Gigantus has entered the battle, but the fight is literally just a giant psyop and it dies by itself regardless of your input >Dragon fight from DD copypasta'd but worse >Final confrontation in the game is basically a fricking QTE
Game is unironically better without any of the main story quests, they genuinely make the game worse
I think that one is referring to the Marshland Settlement, but could also be about the northern regions. There are also guards who refer to mysterious doors and we've seen that there are unused spellseal doors in-game conveniently covered by rubble.
Reminds me of a spooky phenomenon that happens in one Icelandic Saga where a glowing orange orb appears above a homestead which is subsequently beset by undead
>Wild loot mod (everything in stores added to the world) >enemy difficulty mod, all enemies take half damage and stagger (still too easy) >enemy health mod giving enemies a range of hp increases >NG+ epic encounters
Grab and pull, gets them off balance, head rolls off and feet medal is exposed.
The real annoyance of a golem is the one medal in the shoulder/arm that hides itself
99% of Dragon's Dogma 2 is pure fun for me to play. That 1% I'm not having fun is dedicated to golems. Killing them is always such a chore. If there were only 3 in the entire game and they never respawned I'd be totally fine with them.
>That 1% I'm not having fun is dedicated to golems
I'm using a mod that makes them tiny. Same mod can also swap golems for a more fun enemy.
Golems can frick right off.
>Like, why would you even post and not post an argument?
Because I am not posting with the intent of arguing with someone? I'm neither of the people you're arguing with and have no dog in this fight you autist
>fighting gigantus as MA for the first time >i kill all its weakpoints immediately, but for some reason the final weakpoint never dies >i shoot the shit out of it forever until gigantus reaches it's appropriate death cutscene
i felt so cheated. that fricker should've fallen flat on his face immediately, but the game said 'no you can't kill it it needs to do its thing'
Hopes and dreams: >Northern snowy region of the map to fill out all that fricking blank space in the northwest >NG+ with a "G-Rank" option - featuring faster, more aggressive, more durable enemies with some new attacks sprinkled in >More enemy types, a few more vocations and a raised job level cap, new skills/passives
Basically Dragon's Dogma: Iceborne.
Also something I like to call "Trailblazer Mode": >You're tasked to travel between two arbitrary points on the map within an in-game time limit (2 days, a week, etc.) - oxcarts/ferrystones of course do not work during this >these points can range from quick and simple like from melve to the borderwatch outpost, or world-trekking like the volcanic island camp to the nameless village >You spawn with minimal, if any items except for a tent, and can only use what you procure on the field. >Chests on the map have their contents replaced with various tokens you can redeem for a chance at unique and powerful gear as well as rare materials >if you don't make it within the time limit, all your loot is forefeited >various optional modifiers to further increase rewards, such as halved stamina regeneration, more large enemies, no sleeping, etc.
So the idea is that you need to balance getting to your location on time with going off the beaten path and finding chests to really rack up the rewards.
>in post game >happy I can finally get new daggers, because the ice ones I got in the bandit cave carried me for most of the game >buy the ones Dragonforged sells for 110 WC, not putting much thought into it, thinking they must be the strongest ones >notice they're much weaker than the upgraded ice daggers >well maybe they get bigger stat jumps each upgrade >kill medusa for upgrade materials >they're still shit and notice that the regular vendors sell much better ones now >need granite medusa bones for other equipment upgrades now >she doesn't respawn in the postgame and Ibrahim is nowhere to be found to duplicate it
I'm so fricking mad. what Dragonforged gear is actually worth buying?
that's what happens when they get full knock downed
you can force it at the start of a fight by pushing on them or using dedicated knockdown moves like implicate
the fight gets a lot easier when it loses the ability to aim its lasers, and as a meme, you can even push the head around so it's aiming at itself
>fight gets a lot easier when..
this kind of stuff is cool when it happens but with current scaling it just makes the fights braindead. Victory music starts when shooting one fire arrow towards griffin lol. I've been having a lot of fun with difficulty tweaks mod though
It needs large, well designed dungeons that focus on combat and exploration. I want treasure chests in fixed locations that have fixed meaningful rewards. I also want gear loadouts and new vocation ranks that come with new core skills, custom skills, and augments. No more open world areas, the world is already way too huge to begin with. Put all that effort into dungeons with actual level design instead. New monsters is a given as well. I'd also like a subclass system that gives everyone a second vocation and skill palette to swap to though I doubt that will happen.
Speaking of DLC. I recorded some evidence that what's behind these dirt covered doors are definitely dungeons and arenas.
This is the only one I've found where they forgot to remove a structure.
>She's cute, but put her in something that isn't bawdwear
I'll try, maybe she'll get hired more. She has about 50 thumbs up and 50 hearts though. Not sure if that's a lot.
That's actually pretty cool. I just hope they can fix the performance issues before they drop the DLC, or at least add a native frame generation option
>exploring the west side of the map >eventually find bakbhattal >literally nothing to do there >run all the way back to vermund to wrap up the story quests (all trash btw) >turn in the last one >brant doesn't give me anything else to do >explore north and find elf city >nothing to do >run all the way back to bakbhattal >STILL nothing to do
this game is so annoying to play
>people unironically prefer mage and sorc from DD1 over 2
I refuse to believe this, quickcharging your spells and levitate make these classes actually fun to play.
I was thinking of getting this game some time down the road when the "complete" edition comes out eventually as I enjoyed DD1. So am I to understand this right, that warfarer basically lets me become a spellblade, combining a great sword and sorcerer spells together?
the only purpose of warfarer is to be able to wear any clothing you want without the vocation restrictions, it's a direct downgrade to every other vocation
Warfarer utterly shits on every other vocation if used properly with weapon swapping since you can combine 3 OP skills and use all weapon skills (so your party doesn’t even need a mage to heal)
Because Capcom's moronic. If they wanted to keep things balanced then just make it so that warferer gets 3 assignable skill slots per weapon type equipped and the 4th is hard locked to rearmament. They can even keep the no maister skill shit.
>If they wanted to keep things balanced then just make it so that warferer gets 3 assignable skill slots per weapon type equipped and the 4th is hard locked to rearmament.
because it would make every other vocation completely useless
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Anonymous
>because it would make every other vocation completely useless
Ah yes, as opposed to right now where every melee class is outdone by thief, as an example.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's a single player game. I play Warrior and I don't care if thief is better.
Having Warfarer with 3 unique abilities per weapon equipped would destroy any notion of having vocations to begin with however.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It already does that. I could play as a Fighter Warfarer and equip 4 fighter skills and have the freedom to wear any armor and switch to a bow and staff whenever I please. Riotous Fury doesn't make up for that.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nta but whether you think they are good or not maister skills do give a purpose to the original classes
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Anonymous
Yeah ok, you can do that. But you didn't single handedly make every single vocation in the game redundant all at once by doing that. You're just playing a warrior with gimped knockdown resistance.
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Anonymous
>It's a single player game. I play Warrior and I don't care if thief is better.
Then why the frick do you care if Warfarer gets those changes?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
One class being better than another class doesn't make the other class redundant because maybe they play different.
One class being all the other classes combined does make everything redundant. Why even have vocations at that point? It kind of undoes the whole game.
These are not the same issues.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Again, as you pointed out, none of that fricking matters because it's a singleplayer game.
It's even more irrelevant because Warfarer is an arisen only vocation.
You're b***hing about other people having fun, that's all there is to it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
kek I'm not b***hing, I'm just saying why the Warfarer is limited in the way that it is. >WHY DID CAPCOM DO THIS TO ME WHY
This is why, child.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>One class being all the other classes combined does make everything redundant
Warfarer still isn't this, because stat distributions are different.
A warfarer is a shittier warrior due to having lower knockdown resist but a better mystic spearhand because in comparison warfarer has a higher knockdown resist.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
If Warfarer got to have 3 skills per weapon equipped it would make the entire vocation system redundant.
2 weeks ago
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Don't see how. The one extra skill each vocation gets over a warfarer can make all the difference.
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I'm telling you it already is. In most cases, Warfarer will just give you any of the other vocations with the added benefits of any armor and being able to mix other weapons. The only noticeable hit is Warrior's knockdown resist which is solved using rings and dwarven armor.
You get warfarer so late it should make the vocation system redundant as you should have played them all except maybe magick archer by then
I think Warfarer with 3 unique ability slots per weapon would be fun as hell, but I'm explaining to you guys why Capcom limited it in the first place. It's a vocation that undermines a core mechanic of the game and doesn't gel well with the design philosophy behind Dragon's Dogma (having separate vocations that do different things).
Imagine playing New Vegas and there are separate ballistics, melee, energy weapons, explosives, and heavy gunner builds, and then there is one build that incorporates all of them all at once.
Yeah... it's probably the "fun" one, but it also breaks the other builds and makes having builds at all be redundant.
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Anonymous
I'm telling you it already is. In most cases, Warfarer will just give you any of the other vocations with the added benefits of any armor and being able to mix other weapons. The only noticeable hit is Warrior's knockdown resist which is solved using rings and dwarven armor.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You get warfarer so late it should make the vocation system redundant as you should have played them all except maybe magick archer by then
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>having one vocation replace all others to make all endgame/ postgame/ NG+ playthroughs play the same way
VS >having big drawbacks to that vocation to allow players to choose their preferred playstyle
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
homie just don't play warfarer. You said it yourself, you play warrior and don't care if thief invalidates the vocation. Why the frick would this be any different?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
He didn’t say he doesn’t care if thief invalidates warrior, he said he doesn’t care if thief is BETTER
There’s a difference, even if thief is overall better you can still enjoy the Warrior playstyle. People are advocating that Warfarer should just be “every class but better”
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>limited to 3 skills instead of 4 >stats can, like with warrior, make them worse >"every class but better"
You dumb as hell.
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>lose 1 skill and 30 points of X stat (only noticeable penalty at all is warrior) >gain 20+ equipped skills >”this is a real choice bro”
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
'Just don't use it lol' is always a shitty excuse for bad balancing. I like how warfarer works now. Why would I want an unbalanced version of it?
It's basically the choice between 'stupidly overpowered version of a vocation that I would stop playing' and 'balanced version of a vocation that is fun'.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm a True Warfarer gay and I disagree with you. Warfarer existing in its current state is better overall because the limitations allow for creative build combinations. If you were literally all classes rolled into one, it would invalidate playing every other vocation while also voiding the "create unique builds" element. I DO think rearmament shouldn't be a think and it should just have 4 skills though.
I only use true warfarer because I play with cdt and make the game like 10x fricking harder
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>it would invalidate playing every other vocation while also voiding the "create unique builds" element
How so?
You still have to pick 3 out of a variety of skills in each vocation, and with how rearmament works you also not only have to pick which vocations you want to use but in what order they come up to help you.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You still have to pick 3 out of a variety of skills in each vocation
Because having potentially 21 skills is not "limited" moron
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>it's not unique builds anymore! >how is it not unique? >I mean it's not limited!
Don't hurt your back moving that goalpost.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
"I get to have everything at once with no downside" is not unique you dumb homosexual
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ah yes. Of course.
Who can forget that true warfarer or that suggested post gives you hotkey buttons for every single skill in the class right away. You don't have to pick and choose which ones you want to bring into battle, they're all right there to use off the bat.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You can unlock warfarer before doing a single of the homie captain quests
Unlike DD1 there is no real soft locked regions where you would get raped at low levels
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>a better mystic spearhand because in comparison warfarer has a higher knockdown resist
Getting gangraped by kn***ers slightly less than ususal isn't worth losing the Spearhand's main source of big dick dps.
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Spearhand warfarer still gets to use twein cut though.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Spearhand's main source of big dick dps.
You mean the meister skill? Good luck hitting enemies weak points with that trash.
Spearhand best skills are the stunlocking (no slot required) and shield
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Good luck hitting enemies weak points with that trash
Skill issue. Just Feste your way onto the boss's head before using it, or stand between the legs if it's a drake. And make sure to keep your fat thumb off the left stick unless repositioning is necessary during it.
You get the ability to wear any armor you want and equip three weapons at the cost of a skill button, now used to put one weapon away and pull the other one out.
It feels horrendously tacked on.
Out of everything I was hoping they'd change between DD and DD2, linking utility to skills to equipped weapons was my biggest expectation.
Why does my character instantly forget how to double jump and dodge the minute he puts down his knives and picks up something else?
yeah I'd love if we had a movement skill slot or something where we could slot in shit like walljump, double jump, or levitate based on the classes we've levelled.
It's not so much about the loss of the dodge it's the inability to use any of your unlocked maister skills, you're already giving up one button for the Warfarer maister skill (which is integral to the class which is kinda gay, why not just make it a shoulder button?)
It's one of the best ones I've played overall just because the combat is so good.
>It's one of the best ones I've played overall just because the combat is so good.
Totally agree. There's no game that has better group combat than DD2. Due to how the physics work, haven't seen any other game do this in a similar fashion.
is there a point of no return for the quests? i've given the lifecrystals to the guy but i read a few weeks ago that there's nearing the end and i still need to explore half of battahl
captain brant's quest mentioning a coronation will lock you out of his other quests if you haven't done them. Other than that the only other point of no return quest is very obvious, you will be heading towards a tower in the area of the game you started out and a guard will stop you and say you should probably rest before going forward
IIRC the coronation also locks out the phantom oxcart, a beggars tale and the 2 masquerade quests that Sven gives you. It DOESN'T block Wilhelmina's quest chain though, unlike what some people report.
Does it? I did phantom and beggar after the coronation
Shit, Phantom Oxcart only becomes available after coronation, since it requires legal access to Battahl, so I must've confused it with another quest. Good to know that Beggar's Tale also does not get locked.
Once you get the Godsbane back from him, a crisis event triggers and some exploration gets limited.
Then once you resolve that crisis, there's a final point of no return once you return to the slave camp from the game's beginning. An NPC will run up to you and tell you to go sleep in an inn before proceeding. At this point crisis mmusic stops playing and you can go back to exploring.
>trashing mobs on the way to clean up early quests I missed in Vermund >hired pawn offers hand for a high-five as is the norm >my main pawn walks up to him before I can and completes the high-five literally right in front of my face
what the frick did I just get cucked by my own pawn, I've never had a post battle celebration stolen from me before
>Gothic 1, Gothic 2: NOTR, Archolos >Kenshi >Enderal: Forgotten Stories >Balrum >Brigand: Oaxaca >Kingdom Come: Deliverance >Underrail
just some off the top of my head that I enjoyed a lot
some of these aren't even the same fricking genre, I love Kenshi but it's not even remotely similar.
also KC:D is the most overrated shit.
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Anonymous
they're all open world RPGs, even Kenshi though I do agree that it could be subjective >also KC:D is the most overrated shit.
can't help you fix your shit taste
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you prefer kcd combat lol?
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Anonymous
frick no, but we're not judging the games based entirely on the combat
compare the KCD worldbuilding and quests to DD2 and tell me which one comes out on top
Not him, but Underrail isn't open world. KCD is absolute fricking top tier, though. As are DD and DD2.
I'd say Underrail it's pretty open ended, there are lots of places to explore, especially with the DLC
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I'd say Underrail it's pretty open ended, there are lots of places to explore, especially with the DLC
It's open ended, but it's absolutely not an open world. Each screen has chokepoint transitions and you can't freely run from one "end" of the world to the other. There's also no overworld like Fallout or area select screen like BG1. There's really no definition of open world that it fits.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I see your point when you put it like that, but I'd still consider it as open world even if the world is made out of small maps connected to each other via loading screens
it doesn't fit the definition 100% but the idea is still the same, a big traversable game area that is open to the player from the start
skyrim mogs dd lmao
hundreds of thousands of people play skyrim 15 years after release
no one plays dd anymore
judge games based on their merit, not on the amount of people playing them you dumb NPC
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>it doesn't fit the definition 100% but the idea is still the same
It doesn't fit the definition at all. >a big traversable game area that is open to the player from the start
Have you even played Underrail? Huge portions of the map aren't available at the start. It's very gated.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Have you even played Underrail?
it's been a couple of years since I beat it >Huge portions of the map aren't available at the start. It's very gated.
but it opens up eventually, aren't most of the areas like the caves gated by powerful enemies? Gothic did the same thing
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>but it opens up eventually
You literally said >a big traversable game area that is open to the player from the start >that is open to the player from the start
It doesn't even fit the definition of open world that you yourself gave. How many more times are you going to run around with the goalposts before you admit that you said something stupid and wrong? >aren't most of the areas like the caves gated by powerful enemies?
Please show me how you reach the deep caverns before the end game.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It doesn't even fit the definition of open world that you yourself gave.
at the beginning, once you return from the Junkyard the world becomes more accessible, the parts before could even be considered as a tutorial
besides, using high tier enemies to gate the player from entering certain parts of the map is not an uncommon thing in open world RPGs >Please show me how you reach the deep caverns before the end game.
Deep Caverns are the endgame area, you can't access the unmoored world locations in DD2 from the start either, endgame areas being locked away from the player does not invalidate the open world definition
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>at the beginning
Again, your words were >a big traversable game area that is open to the player from the start
What does from the start mean? >Deep Caverns are the endgame area, you can't access the unmoored world locations in DD2 from the start either
Unmoored World is a different version of the same map. Deep Caverns are an entirely different area. Even then, cave ins and faceless digging block off and reveal different parts of the world throughout the game. If you have actually played the game, it's clear you haven't done so in so long that you have no recollection of how it's actually laid out. It's not open world at all. You're wrong.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not him, but Underrail isn't open world. KCD is absolute fricking top tier, though. As are DD and DD2.
>Kingdom Come: Deliverance
Only one I've played. Not a bad game, but way too story driven for my taste. I got as far as when you get rescued after your sword is taken and decided it's just not a game for me.
>Clearly not the best, but it's the one I enjoyed the most.
Anon, I also enjoyed it greatly. The combat is deeply satisfying.
/I've played just about every worthwhile game. Been playing since 1985
>tfw blew up ogre as it was slobbering on hired babe with like 3 spells to knock it around a bit >fell into pit then suddenly seized, fell into default pose >not dead but not alive, cannot loot it
huh
If they added everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, removed from the first back into the sequel. I'd buy it immediately. That includes >permanent postgame world >expanded everfall >revamped bbi >all skills >all vocations >all monsters
That will never happen however, so it will remain a shit sequel.
what a weird comparison to make. anon did you know skyrim mogs literally any other game you enjoy? did you know fortnite mogs skyrim? man, what a moronic take lol.
This was the best moment in a game's storyline in recent memory. People are quick to say the story/writing is shit in Dragon's Dogma 2 but some of these sidequests are amazing. The orphan girl and the killer nun come to mind as well.
>super greasy babe approaches me in the dark of the night to ask to be escorted >assume it's going to be along my way on the journey South >instead asks to be escorted to the Nameless Village way out in the fricking middle of nowhere
sorry babe, free rides only apply to the Vermund Morgue
I think it was just how greasy that particular broad was, she kind of blended into the brown and yellow behind her coupled with my brightness being way down. I went and found her body and she looks considerably more normal when she's not greased up.
No, your screenshot is legit sepia toned. Look at the button prompts on your middle shot. Those are colorful on my game.
Nothing like that, I've got no reshade installed either - most I've got is REFramework and some gameplay/armor mods. Nothing visual though beyond disabling the vignette. I do have my brightness dropped all the way down.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
the corset was kind of charming at first but now that 2/3 of all female pawns wear it I have grown to absolutely despise it. I was in a pinch the other day after having lost a pawn to the brine and decided to hire a wandering one I found. she was wearing the corset and I used her for a while but at the soonest convenient time I dismissed her with no rating and a rotten apple.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
when everyone's a bawd no one's a bawd
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
She's my SphinxParent, I need to drop her off on the way back to Battahl
You guys did open up the massively time saving shortcut from Sacred Arbor to Melve, right? You didn't just walk there from Vernworth every time, right?
I didn't learn how to access that shortcut until like my third playthrough when I looked it up. I was so confused because I'd search the ruins top to bottom each time when doing the elf quest there but could never figure out how to get past the blocked door. turns out you just.... wait a few days after completing the quest and return to it and it automatically opens.
so until then I just placed a portcrystal inside the sacred arbor and ferried there whenever I had need of elves.
You know you can just bait the skellies on the other end into attacking the door and opening it for you right? It's not the only locked door you have to open this way.
I was replaying the first, doing a brontide only run. I didn't realize it could permanently stunlock bigger monsters like ogres. Its even more devastating when pawns join in.
>several quests centered around stealth >there's no actual stealth mechanic >you have to awkwardly walk around the guards or just run around them
what were they thinking?
Same, I'm honestly not even sure a stealth system exists at all, despite the game trying to convince me it does. For every mission I just sprinted into the castle at full tilt without problems. Even when guards shouted their "hey, you can't be here" lines after me, I just kept running and nothing happened. The only quest that paid lip service to stealth was the one where I freed the old dude from jail, and even there the patrolling guards ignored me entirely, except for those two times were they started attacking me without warning. But then I just killed them and nothing else happened. No reinforcements, no alarm, I just finished the quest.
>what are your hopes for DLC?
For Itsuno to bring back animation cancelling, the scrapped skills, the scrapped combos like dire onslaught, and the scrapped spells. Bringing back Mystic Knight would also be great. Aside from that? A hard mode and a BBI styled dungeon with lots of enemy variety
If he does this, MAYBE DD2 will be half as good as DDDA
I'd take more of everything, really. More enemies, vocations, areas, armor/weapons, etc. Most importantly though is some kind of repeatable content/boss fights that are tuned for high level/well geared characters. The fact there's nothing like the Ur dragon, Everfall or BBI at the end when the combat is the best part of the game is hugely detracting from the longevity of the game.
Repeatable love interest sex for buffs. Why the frick does fricking an underling prostitute power me up but not sleeping with my chosen love interest like Wilhemina or Ulrika?
Something to challenge me as I've become level 80+ and have all the best loot in the game.
I'm in NG+ and I have to use basic ass starter gear to feel some semblance of combat, which is kind of kino in a way, using a basic set of armor + basic sword feels badass in an RP kind of way, but there has to be some sort of answer to having all that top tier gear, some sort beast (or beasts) that can match it.
If Capcom combined Monster Hunter's level of boss diversity with Dragon's Dogma 2's world/exploration/scale/setting, I'd have the perfect game in my hands.
How the frick do I get robbed? It's the only achievement I'm missing.
I'm level 89 homie how the frick do I just let some dick ass thief take my shit, I undress to remove all knockdown resistance and still the fricking homosexuals just circle me.
It has to be a specific bandit, not just any Thief will do. They're distinctive since they have hoods and face coverings and their behaviour makes them hang back more. There's usually 1 per mob.
They exist in many places but as I recall there's one outside the Volcanic camp and one somewhere on the road to Checkpoint Rest near one of the towers.
If you're having trouble getting downed just use a skill that depletes stamina, fall of a cliff, etc. Also make sure you actually have something to steal.
It has to be a specific bandit, not just any Thief will do. They're distinctive since they have hoods and face coverings and their behaviour makes them hang back more. There's usually 1 per mob.
They exist in many places but as I recall there's one outside the Volcanic camp and one somewhere on the road to Checkpoint Rest near one of the towers.
If you're having trouble getting downed just use a skill that depletes stamina, fall of a cliff, etc. Also make sure you actually have something to steal.
It just popped for me @ outer Vernworth in the tunnel passages if "To the Victor Go the Spoils" is the achievement you're referring to. Specifically the little passage located underneath the empty little shack with a locked door in the fields outside of the main city.
Had one of them tackle me and then steal an apple.
love grabbing a cart and dozing only to wake up to a cyclops in the middle of/in front of the cart irreparably destroying it and leaving you in the middle of nowhere
I don't know why but I love when games can frick you in your ass like this. Same thing when I heard about how dragon's plague can destroy your entire town.
Or when that knight you saved in Dark Souls kills your firekeeper and ruins your hub area for like half the game
These sucker punches add a lot of flavour to a game.
>people seething on plebbit who got the throne ending who didnt realize there is an entire post game they missed out on
huh, i got this weird cool unique sword item and never got to use it, oh well! sits on throne
>Shoot unmaker arrow >Drops the spear >Bridge is saved >Get a special cutscene with Raghnall >Talos still keeps moving until you see Phaesus take the elevator cart thing >Run all the way to the slave camp >Make it there before Phaesus >Cutscene plays with Phaesus alreay inside the tower
Fun stuff
It fricking sucks that they very obviously cut some vocations out specifically to sell them later as dlc. It's scummy as frick, but that's capcom for ya.
I have those holy daggers for implicate and that skewer skill, magic bow for ricochet shot in caves, the cheapest mage staff I could find cause I only want the levitation and the dragon bow for using special arrows.
>Every once in a while my Warfarer arisen levels up mage, sorcerer and trickster
Cool, support shit fricking sucks. Pawns expect a leader and few actually go ahead and attack.
Warfarer slowly levels up every vocation you have unlocked. It's easier to just level the other vocations individually though because even with Warfarer taking twice as long to level up as other vocations, your other vocations will get barely enough dcp to go from rank 1 to 4 by the time you're rank 9.
>waited like a week in-game for Spellbound quest to advance >ME STUDIES IS GOIN WELL SER AYEx30 >look it up and apparently her dementia-addled grandma has a bad habit of walking outside and getting gangbanged to death by goblins
love this game sometimes
hate it sometimes as well
It really is. Also, the name is an absurd joke. Warfarer would suggest someone that's a master of warfare in all its forms, except this guy can only do 4 (3 really because one is rearmament) weapon skills. That's at best 3 skills of one thing and at worst 1 skill for each of 3 weapons. Makes sense that you get the knowledge from a failed arisen who spends his days being drunk.
Not everyone camps both day and night, much less cooks different meats. They stick with cooking the best one, or only have the worst one thanks to spoilage and resort to that.
BBI 2
This. If it's anything less than a glorious dungeon crawl and much much more difficult content I'm not interested.
Thirded
I get people want more surface land to wander and explore, but something like that alone wouldn't be nearly as replayable as a super dungeon like a bigger and better BBI would be. So if I couldn't have both, it's this.
This, the only thing DD was ever good for was the dungeon crawl experience.
>trivializes you're hardcore dank dungeon crawlan dlc
name 1 game where ranged characters arent easy mode
all fromsoftware games?
magic is ranged in souls tho.
The only thing I want. There are so few games that did massive dungeons as good as BBI did, and I want more.
Frick no. Antithetical to the rest of the game, and a big letdown from the original DD.
Infinite Tower Dungeon DLC
infinite scaling ng+ randomizer
Why not both
the open world is the dungeon
Just beat the game (full true ending) minutes ago.
Basically just this
Just give me Bittererblacker Isle at this point. It's clear that Itsuno's vision is shit, if he thinks DD2 as it is presently is his magnum opus. Steal ideas from DD1.
first dlc : Bittererblacker
second dlc : Bittererblacker : The Blackening
third dlc : Bitterestblackest
Literally fricking ANYTHING from DDO
>Big dungeon or More map or both
Leak talked about an cold/snow map fits well into the Desert/Woodland/Mountain we already have
>More skills or More vocations or both
Sorcerer desperately needs more spells, more non magical hybrid vocations
>More enemy types
eed more variety, saurians and goblins is all you get
>More gear
I personally think we need more gear for barechested guys. I want to play a barbarian but I only get a leather drape with shitty bracers, the other otions all have bras or brassieres.
>the other otions all have bras or brassieres
Just play Warfarer. If you only use Warrior skills then you get a warrior that can wear any armor.
that's my point, there is no other armor
the only "barechested" armor in the game that doesn't cover your "chest" is the Final Roar
>Leak talked
a random Ganker post isn't a leak
more vocations/monsters/zones
Underground Dwarf Kingdom
so how's the game?
does it feel like dd1 but extended? or like an actual second part? is it worth it?
I honestly don't want DLC. The game just isn't fun. I feel like the combat just isn't as good as the first game. Maybe its just that I'm older but I would need to go back and play dark arisen again to find out of that still feels fun.
It's a side grade in most ways. Combat just plays differently and is better in some ways and worse in others. Physics are great but performance is bad. Characters creation and gear looks great but has lost a lot of flexibility. Probably at least worth trying if you liked the first game and can run it but, as someone who like dark arisen enough to play it three times I have mixed feeling myself.
dark arisen was really good and I expected something similar or higher from dd2, but if I'm getting more dd1 vanilla with some different stuff I think I'll pass
I get the impression it started off as a remake and was changed into a sequel half way through. Some things are added and some things are removed. Also feels like it was released unfinished, just like the first game. There are obvious signs of where they intended to have more content dotted all over the map.
Can't really call it an upgrade or a down grade, it's just another Dragon's Dogma game.
most vocations are a downgrade except for warrior
worse combat overall (clunkier, less responsive controls, more annoying enemy tracking where they lock on you)
worse OST
barely any new monsters so if you have played DD1 you wont be impressed by anything
its probably alright if you havent played DDDA since release but since i played it less than a year ago i can feel all of the downgrades
>Most vocations are a downgrade
Nobody who played both games can actually believe this, literally the only people I see b***hing it's because
>MUH STRIDER
>strider bad
homosexual, you would seethe if they removed gayrior or whatever gay class you like
Strider is just a lamer thief with a bow, anyone who wants to play Strider can just play fricking thief
And if the bow is so god damn important to your autism you have Warfarer
you're clearly a biased gay so its pointless to argue with you
>Sorcerer loses half of its spells
>Magick archer, ranger and thief lose double jump
>Magick archer and ranger lose dodge along with their melee weapons
>Every class loses two skill slots
>This is somehow not a downgrade
>b-but muh core skills, (DD1 also had core skills)
or
>you're clearly a shitter, the game is harder and thus better with less skills, thus downgrades are good
its either one of these, they just can't admit it was downgraded like men
The answer is that the number of skills is completely irrelevant to the actual core gameplay
>Sorcerer has levitate as a core skill in DD1 that is the same as Mage not needing a skill slot for anodyne in DD2
>The answer is that the number of skills is completely irrelevant to the actual core gameplay
anon...
DD gameplay is centered around using skills and managing your stamina
Yeah and now those same skills are a part of your actual moveset instead of
>need a fricking skill to dodge roll
Skillset changes were about giving identity to vocations and making them actually function as intended unlike DD1 where you end up with butt fricking moronic shit like Sorc being essentially a direct upgrade of mage and the optimal gameplay being to just not cast any spell besides imbue holy
>need a fricking skill to dodge roll
thanks for confirming you didn't play 1
I didn't play Strider line, it uses the dagger skill+ jump input so I always assumed it was a slotted skill watching people use it lol
does the dive really count as a dodge?
you literally didnt play the first one kek
i just spam Maelstrom
>DD1 also had core skills
In DD1, tusk toss, scarlet kisses and anodyne were not core skills. They were skills you had to equip and lose a slot on.
And? To get tusk toss by default you lost two other core skills / attack combos. To get anodyne in your base kit you lost melee swings, magic agent, two spell slots and having more than one spell of each of the basic elements. Like sure swift cast is nice and all but you lose out on a lot of shit for it.
Was every fighter honestly full timing tusk toss?
>To get tusk toss by default you lost two other core skills / attack combos
No, Fighter did really well out of context animations and critical finishers. Skyward Lash, Downcrack and Flesh Skewer were all incorporated into the new system, so between that and Tusk Toss Fighter are almost eating as well as Warriors.
you get reflect, contextual attacks too
>Was every fighter honestly full timing tusk toss?
Absolutely, yes. And shield skills were mostly useless so default tusk toss plus 4 other skills is objectively better.
Hard doesnt' mean good, and DD2 is much easier than DD1 or DD:DA. I'll never undertand the autist's empahsis on "difficulty" in games. I guess it's because frequently they don't have any real world accomplishments, and so they assume that grinding through sadistic gameplay is comparable to something with a proper tradeoff of effort and enrichment, like learning a language, getting a degree, having sex, or raising a family. Games are meant to be fun, not grueling. Life (when you don't live in your mom's basement) is already grueling enough.
Also having fewer options doesn't necessarily mean "harder", just more limited. Cookie Clicker isn't a very hard game, but your options are extremely limited. Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous has a frickton of options to choose from, yet on Unfair that game will rip your balls off and force feed them to you.
I would have preferred if DD2 provided more options than DD:DA for your class skills. I would have preferred if I had EIGHT active skills at all times, and felt like I absolutely needed every single one wisely or I'd get shit on. that isn't what DD2 delivered, though. Oh well, back to spamming Meteoron I guess.
>having sex
Kekking at this accomplishment.
I guess having enough courage to pay for a prostitute counts
Sorc is massively improved from DD1. The total number of spells doesn't much matter when inreality 90% of casts are miasma and the magic shotgun buff. Now it actually plays like they clearly wanted it to in the first game, revolving around powerful elemental spells and the odd Bolide or Maelstrom (both much more doable in combat).
I wouldn't say "massive", but generally it's more focused. I still want more spells back, and it bothers me that they don't get Necromancy, since that would seam in-line with their very offense-oriented spell battery. Like a purely offensive perfersion of Palladium or something, it just would make sense that sorcs would get it.
Also, I still want six spell slots back. Casting Hagol and Meteoron gets boring. Even if the additional slots where extraneous, at least it would give the class some variety.
Thunder Mine is the new Necromancy, at least in my style of play. It's quick to cast too, so again feels a lot better in practice than Necromancy, which always felt awkward to use.
thief is very much an upgrade , it added ddo elements and got all of assassin's benefits, and strongest class right out of the box
I don't feel vocations are worse, but I do feel they are WILDLY imbalanced
Trickster feels like they had a good idea but fricked it up, it needs to be more about buffing and debuffing than just the one skill, Thief and Mage feel pretty good, Warrior and Fighter feel super weak, but Sorc, MK and MA all feel like I have console command Kill bound to a key
>MK
Assuming you're talking about spearhand, it's the most fun vocation in either 1 or 2 imo once you git gud enough to play it without the crutch bubble.
Yeah I mixed it up with DDDA naming lol
I'm talking mostly about fighting big stuff, Minotaurs and Drakes are just outright deleted by Mael/Meteor/Rico/Spear Laser in comparison to bonking something in the shins/slapping your shield and hoping to not get flattened when you climb
Unless I'm missing some super fun combo on Fighter and Warrior, I know people seem to like the latter
Spearhand's kamehameha isn't even that amazing. It only really hits hard if you manage to hit a weakpoint which is difficult beyond point blank range with how godawful the accuracy is and even then its dps is outdone by the maister skill.
Warrior can definitely dish out the damage, its just the whole you must hit a weak spot as melee with low mobility that's the issue. So its a struggle till you go all into stagger
Yeah I have Dwarf on everthing plus using Maces/Hammers on the pure phys classes, so stagger is great, till the Drakes fly up and you spend 20 minutes climbing the tail in heavy armor
I've made my peace and just use warfarer with a slot in blight arrow lol
get a bunch of silence books or a pawn with silence
if the dragon tries to cast a spell while flying then you can silence it for an instant long stagger
Yeah I realised Silence is a big deal against them playing Mage, pretty funny to make a dragon fail a spell so badly it falls over and cries for a bit
On the one hand, making each vocation unique rather than having shared weapons and adding certain skills into the base moveset is a good idea. I prefer more unique vocations rather than more vocations with shared movesets.
On the other hand, blue vocations got fricked, the limit to 4 skills hurts some vocations more than others. It completely fricking ruins the point of warfarer for one.
Mage comes out much better off in dd2, celerity and palladium are excellent buffs, argent succor and empyrean are undead nukes with utility and celestial phean is party wide liquid vim on repeat. Sorc suffer hard in comparison however..
I mained Sorc in both games
Sorc in 1 is a fricking joke most spells are useless
Its fine on it's own but when you compare it to 1 you notice the stuff that's missing or downgraded
>Combat encounters are too close together it's difficult to take five steps without triggering another one
>Vocations have less skills and versatility than in 1
>Removal of Mystic Knight
>Sorcerer is missing iconic spells like Gicel, Miasma, Exequey etc and all if its elemental buff spells, Mage is noticeably buffed instead.
>Ferrystones are given out like candy in the postgame going against the 'fast travel makes your game boring' mantra they were spouting before launch
>Removal of clothing armor, clothing leggings and arm armour slots
>Escort quest reward is not worth doing, especially compared to DD1 where they gave weapons, curatives etc.
>No generic noticeboard quests
>Pawns with quest knowledge will lead you directly to where you have to go, instead of the less direct verbal hints in DD1
>Mage/Sorc have a ridiculous advantage in traversal due to Levitate, this is made more abundant due to removing Double Jump.
>The final Seeker Token (220) reward is worthless by the time you receive it, ring for double DCP as your vocations will surely by maxed by the time you find them all.
>Magick Archer and Warfarer vocations seem to be implemented rushed, both obtained in same spot, both immediately receive maister skill
>Resting at an inn is far too expensive in early game, and rendered moot in midgame when you own multiple houses to sleep for free
>Both villains have next to zero presence and everyone seems more concerned about the throne than the Dragon
>Removal of Mystic Knight
stopped reading there, you mystic kBlack folk are pathetic with how much you are whining about its loss.
Move the frick on.
"No".
MK is based
im tired of warriorgays and how they say an extra skill changed everything and saved DD2, frick warriorBlack folk, their class is the worst shit in the series
I'm tired of Warriorgays not realizing they've been reduced to MonHun's Greatsword and calling it the greatest thing ever.
>Monhun GS
>whiff everything in your combo until you get to the unga bunga damage part
>DD2 Warrior
>Super armor everything. Your shoryuken? Super armor. Your shoulder check? Super armor. Your farts? Super Armor.
>normal attack and weapon skill that hits faster with each swing when you're not a frick up
In what way are they even remotely the same thing?
brother...try to be less obvious.
Warrior is borderline unplayable once you reach Battahl, maybe its because I didn't pick the dwarven upgrades but you get stunlocked a shit ton by all the mob enemies, even with the classes extra hyper armor.
I spit on Itsunos vision.
>stunlocked a shit ton by all the mob enemies
Legit do not understand how this happens to people. When I played warrior it just seemed like super armor was a big frick you to everything except for maybe a drake landing on top of your head. As long as I was charging up a skill or attacking nothing could frick with me.
Warrior gets a native 300 knock down resist, as well as hyper armour while charging and unleashing charge attacks. Fighter and Warfarer get a bit of native knockdown resist (nowhere near as much). Everyone else gets nothing, and will get staggered by basically everything unless they're investing heavy into Dwarven forging.
That's my point. When I was warrior in Battahl I wasn't getting this whole thing about getting stunlocked by anyone so long as I was already in the process of an attack or charging for a skill. And at the time I didn't even have dwarven forged gear, most my shit was vermund for the weight reduction.
what are you wearing
homie you need to be attacking non stop, just your basic attack where you time your swings to keep attacking faster.
Be fair, he probably didn't know he can do that and was running around waiting for the enemy to finish attacking before he can take his turn to swing twice.
Black person you have parries built into every charge attack and a tackle with poise. Git gud
Warrior is finally good now anon
Fighter sucks because you have to just frame parry while warrior is an unga bunga monke who ignores all your attacks even if you're a drake.
Not to mention warrior gets parry counters too
What generates this reaction? I honestly don't understand it.
Like, you're tired of hearing it because it's a common complaint. It's a common complaint because MK was a well-liked class, and so removing it feels like an odd move by Capcom. There isn't even a movement towards comprimise in your post, not a "well yeah, but at least with MS now and that's a cool class", no, it's basically just you whining and b***hing that people want something they can't have anymore.
A LOT of people liked MK because it had a unique playstyle and was a powerful class. DD2 Fighter was supposed to be altered to fill in as MK, but it isn't the same because it can't generate its own elemtnal effects on shield or cast area denial spells. DD2 Fighter is very different from DD:DA MK. It's not a proper substitute. The result is that a substantial portion of the community recognizes that their favorite class, and more importantly preferred archetype, was outright REMOVED from the sequel, and it didn't have to be. Capcom could have easily included MK, and nobody really knows why they didn't (though I have a suspicion as to why the didn't).
But yeah, these "move on lol" posts are weird. I can't tell if this sentiment is astroturfing Capcom damage control or just people who are really callous and stupid.
>removal of mystic knight
I like DD1 way more than 2, but this is the one common complaint that I can't agree with. The class was played as either a fighter that had to sit around casting buffs before every fight, or a sorcerer with none of the spectacle.
Granted Spearhand sucks too since its only defensive tool is a godmode button, but it's at least conceptually more fun
Mystic Knight enjoyers don't care about "fun". It's about larping as a Paladin or Magic Knight type class. Mystic SpearBlack person is cringe and probably would've worked better as a Lancer or Dragoon type class.
I wouldn't expect everyone to understand this.
MK played right didn't play anything like a fighter at all. In fact, a common complaint from people who didn't understand the class was that it was "just a fighter with elemental damage spells" which it isn't.
As far as a "sorcerer with none of the spectacle", that's certainly a new one. Practically no class matches the Sorcerer for "spectacle", but again, when MK is played right, it isn't anything like a Sorcerer.
>don't care about "fun"
I have 1,000+ hours on MK alone because to me, it was the most FUN class in DD:DA. Fun is all I care about when I play games, because games are meant to be fun. Without MK, DD:DA would be considerably less FUN for me, which is why DD2 is less FUN for me than DD:DA.
A question for both of you: have either of you played DMC 3? If so, have either of you ever completed a run with Royal Guard? That's the archetype of MK. Take NO damage, become a pillar that controls the battlefield, deflect every attack without breaking a fricking sweat because that's how good your are at predicting enemy movements, and counterattack with something that can literally one shot half the bosses in the game. It's exhilarating when done right, and no other class plays like it. MK is fricking awesome.
So you are highlighting that Mystic Knight is (mostly) all about the elemental parry.
Fighter has timed Deflects in both games. Fighter in 2 got the Elemental blowback added to Deflect, as well as the super guard, meaning it does everything worth a damn that Mystic Knight did. Whatever other things MK did like its buffs and few unique spells, these are things also done by (in 1) or have been ported to Fighter, Magick Archer, Spearhand and Mage.
There is no need for Mystic Knight, it not only has "comparable substitutes" in 2, its Royal Guard role has superior functional representation in 2.
Also, I never used the Perfect Block on Fighter in DD2 because I have a rather sour taste from DD:DA, where I don't think it blocked magic attacks or dragon breath attacks, and could be canceled through stagger. It might be better in DD2, but I wouldn't know. For physical attacks, I just relied on deflect and found Perfect Black to be pretty useless. I'm perfectly willing to accept that this might be a "skill issue". I'm not a Fighter main in DD:DA.
vocations are significantly downgraded, the combat is a downgrade from the original, the story is not as good as the original, the armor system is significantly downgraded
fun
I am/was a diehard OG Dogmagay, i.e before Dark Arisen. The best way to describe Dragons Dogma 2 is like going to a watch a mediocre coverband.
First it feels cool hearing your favourite songs live but then you kind of realise, no, these aren't REALLY your favourite songs.
wait for expansions, even though the map is bigger, has objectively more shit in it etc. it feels less finished than the first game, somehow
It's slightly better than the base game, worse than the total package with Bitterblack.
I like it more than DD1 but I'm also not a DD1 cultist. I thought DD1 was a good game with a lot of potential, and I think DD2 is a better game with a lot of potential.
Dissappointing. Feels like the developers wanted something that would capture western audiences and so took more inspiration from things like BG3 or The Witcher than their own beloved product. This is most noticiable with the combat, which is generally slower and clumsier than it was in DD:DA. Their are a few exceptions, like Fighter and arguably Warrior being better than they were in the older games, but nearly every other class ('cept Thief, which is Strider 2.0) was "simplified" and now feels a lot more button-mashy. The other big issue is that this change in direction -- immersion over flash -- would require a well written story and interesting characters, but Capcom is Capcom, and DD2 was apparently rushed out about a year ahead of scheduled release, so the story and characters are absolute trash.
So in the end, it's got a story and characters that are on par with DD:DA (bad) and combat which is at best a sidegrade to the first, depending on your preferences (neutral).
So the game isn't very good. Pawns are cute tho.
>so took more inspiration from things like BG3
Itsuno was asked about this in an interview and specifically said both that he hasn't played it and isn't aware of any points of comparison between the two
Itsuono doesn't have control of every single element of the game. And I included The Witcher as well. It's possible that while Itsuono hasn't played BG3 and didn't use it as inspiration for the overall structure of the game, other people in development have. Even so, it's a gander. My position is generally that DD2 follows a pattern that feels more "western" than DD:DA, with an emphasis on immersion and realism over flash or style. Slower movement, slower combat, weighter controls, stuff like that.
You have a dog in the argument, because you felt it warranted to attack a position I posted earlier. It's like coming out of a crowd watching a debate an opening your mouth. You're in it now. So you have to options: continue with your position and actually explain what you mean, or slither off back into the crowd like a coward. This is the problem with anonymous forums --- there isn't sufficient social collaterla thrown up when you butt into something you don't know anything about and open up your mouth.
So here's the idea -- MK was *like* Royal Guard from DMC, in that their archetype is similar. Control the battle through defensive action, store up a counter attack and then deliver it for big damage. It's a class that's all about pacing, timing and control. It might not be as "flashy" as another class, but what makes it interesting is that movement from total restraint to explosiveness. Yes, I understand that RG is obviously a more dynamic class than MK, but DMC 3 is general is a more dynamic game than DD:DA. For the games individual rulesets and tempo, these classes, MK and RG, have similarities in their goals and playstyle. This playstyle is FUN for a lot of people, and it's different from many other playstyles offered in both titles. If RG had been removed from DMC 5, people would have b***hed (for good reason) unless a comparable substitute were added to the game.
nta but you're trying too hard for a place that doesn't respect conventional discussion. It's just shouting and pissing in the void.
Then I'll use this place as my steam-of-consciousness journal because I have the power to do so. These posts require minimal effort on my behalf and it isn't like I have anything better to do. Perhaps my 10 minutes of throwaway shitposting will actually inspire a few anons who are too smart to be wasting their life in this cesspool to actually spark a meaningful discussion.
cont.
And it would be viewed as odd if after the hypotheticall removal of RG from DMC 5 without any real explanation or substitute, people started crawling out of the woodwork claiming "lol just get over it", "EUGH stop talking about it and move on autist", or "RG was a niche class and was never any good anyway".
That's my big issue with Ganker's response to this -- it doesn't make sense. Content loved in the original title because it was appealing and unique didn't continue into the sequal. A sequel with longer development time, metrics from over a decade of the previous entry, and a larger budget. No substition or explaination was given after the class was abolished, yet there's a small community who jeer at those who notice this peculiarity. No arguements are usually given, and when they are, it's typically intentionally dismissive, half-baked, or outright erroneous ("it wasn't fun", "nobody played it", "it didn't have enough identity").
Personally, I think the reason MK didn't return is because Itsuono and the developers of DD2 really, REALLY wanted the player to roll with a bunch of pawns. MK and other hybrid classes were viewed as potentially to self-sufficient, and so were axed. If MK had returned, with its trap spells, strong defenses, ability to provide elemental boons to itself, and sword/mace attacks, it would have served as a go-to solo class, and soloing seems to be something the entire game is now designed arround quashing.
>inb4 "homie i ain't reading all that
Of course (You) aren't, illiterate moron. Discussion isn't meant for you, go back to posting waifus.
what your doing isn't a discussion, it's a monologe and it's full of shit. better luck next time
>not an argument
Cope or nut up and engage, idiot.
you presented none so neither did i
Every above statement can be argued against.The "you're monologuing" is literally because even after 15 minutes of taking a dumb on this thread, no one actually has the balls to engage in any of what I've crapped out.
Yes, MK is largly about elemental parries. There are exceptions of course, but I think the best description I've ever heard of MK is that it's a caster whose primary weapon is the shield and not the sword.
Fighter in DD2 doesn't cut it for two reasons, 1) it doesn't have the power to self-imbue its shield with elemental effects, which MK could do (less self sufficiency), 2) when a mage pawn does imbue the Fighter's shield, the elemental deflect damage is small scale, wheras MKs elemental parries provided area denial effects and could often hit multiple enemies.
Area denial is the other main focus of MK -- this is scene in Vortex Sigil, Ruinous Sigil, Holy Fortress and to some extent Blizzard Fient, Holy Reposte and Botlstorm Fient (stun from chain lightning). Fighter doesn't have access to anything like this, they're largely oriented around drawing aggro and using their deflect to manipulate the tempo of certain fights. It's similar, but doesn't have the power potential of MK when played optimally. The elemental repostes (which again, require a mage in the party to access) are basically a way for Fighter to acquire bonus damage against single attacking targets, no control areas.
Elemental parries AND area control. Fighter isn't a proper substitute. At best it's a poor one.
Nta but this is moronic
You are essentially arguing that MK is defined by every single tool in its kit
MK is definied by the effect of its skills, which is basically how classes are definied -- what do they DO. The skill provided to MK are oriented around negating damage and area denial, and frequently they're interlocked by the "counter" mechanic -- convert a potential attack against you into area control and damage. I listed a few skills that do this particularly well.
DD2 Fighter is a "tank" class and operates best by drawing aggro and keeping focus away from the backline by dealing physical damage with their sword skills. Deflect is a survival mechanic. Adding an elemental effect isn't the primary way they deal damage, it's bonus damage. Draw aggro, smack the shit outta enemies, swat away enemy attacks, rinse and repeat.
MK is a trapper class. It draws aggro if it wants to, and turns enemy attacks into a playground of absolute frickery for the entire battlefield. When playing an MK well, enemies are going to be stunned, on their ass, frozen solid, or stuck in a cuck funnel for most of the fight. If an MK DOESN'T draw aggro, they have access to spells which punish the enemy for passivity -- Great Cannon, Stone Jungle, and Holy Retribution. Their skills encourage this playstyle. Convert attacks into controlling effects, punish passive enemies with AoEs, control the battlefield.
>MK is a trapper
MK is a fricking tank that also shits out damage and CC through counters god you are such a pseud
You don't know what you're talking about.
>p-p-psued!!
moron.
you sure showed him. your opinions are hot garbage, gaytron
If they're hot garbage, explain why. Otherwise you're as moronic as the rest of the clueless fricks here.
I already told you why and you just expanded your b***hing to
>”yeah but Fighter doesn’t have every single identical tool to Mystic Knight in DD1”
Like there’s no discussion that can be had here, you’re going to just say you want Mystic Knight EXACTLY and not acknowledge anything else as similar
My argument is that Fighter isn't a sufficient substitute for MK. They have a few similarities, but Fighter doesn't have the area control/denial of MK, which I view as a core feature of MKs value in a party. In other words, I don't think the similarities run deep enough to be satisfied with Fighter filling in for MK.
then hope they add some in the expansion, or somebody makes a mod. that somebody could also be you
This is admittedly what I'm hoping for, but I'm not really enjoying the game enough to shell out more money for the promise of content I'll enjoy.
As far as modding, adding in a class with unique skills, progression, items, etc. would probably be a pretty massive undertaking, and Capcom is fairly hostile to modders. While there isn't any outright indication that this could happen in the future, it's not out of the question that they could just start banhammering anyone with mods from participating in pawn trading in the future. Also, I'm not a programmer. I've tried it before and it's just not for me.
nonsense. there's been plenty mods in 1 and that game was a pain to mod, afaik
DD1 but extended is a good way to put it. There are changes, some of which are positive, some negative, and some very debatable based on taste. Overall I think it's better than DD1 in most ways, and it certainly has a lot more content. Bear in mind though that when I say DD1, I mean DD1, not DDDA. For me that's a good thing, Dark Arisen and Bitterblack Isle were nice in their own way but it's the base game that had everything I really loved. If you're one of the many people who only liked DD1 after DA, then the game really may not be for you (at least until they release some sort of Dark Arisen 2, I guess).
>it feels less finished than the first game, somehow
It REALLY fricking doesn't. DD2 definitely had a lot cut, but I can't believe anyone who actually played DD1 would come out with that opinion.
It's DD1 mashed together with some weird immersive fantasy sim ideas.
I'm digging it alot though I can understand why it doesn't really gel with some people.
another typical capcom demake that just has better graphics but comes at the cost of running like total shit
Didn't beat it yet, been having a blast just roaming around and killing goblins tbh
Does the ring that gives you extra xp also work on pawns?
Also why the hell is this sphinx asking me to take a vase to some dude a thousand miles away when every piece of terrain in this game is so slippery?
>Does the ring that gives you extra xp also work on pawns?
Why would you want to level faster in a game that's better the lower level you are?
Because she wants you to think outside the box to complete the task or laugh as you fail for doing what she said. She even tells you that much word by word. moron.
>This is a riddle
>Clearly I have to follow instructions exactly
>Got to this Riddle
>After being given the bottle that lets you scoop up any NPC into it
>Probably already has Portcrystal there for even easier NPC abduction
Anon....
Pawns get "catch up" xp if there is a level gap between the arisen and the pawn, and it ramps to a pretty ridiculous modifier if the gap is big. So don't worry about you pawn's xp gain, instead put all the xp gain on yourself if you just want to level up fast.
Don't feel bad, none of the other riddles are riddles or ask you to think outside the box.
For anyone who doesn't know this, you can literally drop a port crystal at the shrine, go physically pick the guy up in Bakhbattahl and then use a ferrystone to teleport to the vase while holding him.
think about it anon
you just need to get the vase and the guy in the same place
Don't care about map or dungeon, I want new skills, new vocations and new harder monsters. Also fixing augments because they're dogshit
DLC #1: A new land mass with snowy mountains and lots of interconnected ruins running beneath the earth. Also, all of those obviously ornate cut content doors are now small dungeons or boss rooms with either level scaled enhanced enemies or unique bosses.
DLC #2: A deep, deep dungeon. If the player dies then they cannot revive by wakestone, but are instead just thrown out of the dungeon and it is reset. Anything found is kept. The lower you go, the better the loot.
>DLC #2
I need this
>Also, all of those obviously ornate cut content doors
Imagine my disappointment when, during my initial playthrough, I found several of those caved in ornate doors, started marking them on my map for later, got to the unmoored world, thought "oh boy I'm so smart for marking those doors, I bet there's cool shit behind them now", and then I went there and it was fricking nothing.
Mystic knight and other vocations are locked behind them anon. You just need to godsbane near it to unlock them.
Hard Mode and NG+ scaling. A mega dungeon like BBI. A new map that improves on the Unmoored World's design (either the snowy north that's mentioned a few times, or an underground area accessible through those doors).
Things that prove challenging as a high level player.
More places where you can cook.
More things you can cook.
More places where you can frick.
It's honestly absurd how if you're aiming to adventure with a full line of buffs that you'd need to go to Vernworth to frick a 3rd floor prostitute then frick off and find the nearest campfire to cook aged beast steak.
Dungeons
I want vocations to be reworked in some way, change the sheathe button to another set of 4 skills and move sheathe to R3 or whatever, that button isn't even used lmao
let some vocations have a secondary weapon, like let magic archers use staves or something, right now we have a secondary weapon slot that's literally only used for shields lol
basically let other classes have the level of bullshit that thieves can pull off
>that button isn't even used lmao
I use it all the time. Cart escorts and town guards all point weapons at you if you have your weapon drawn, and if it stays drawn they turn hostile and attack. It's a really fricking dumb thing specially when you just got done helping them fight off a town invasion or a monster encounter during the ox ride.
I mean that R3 isn't used, and L3 just replicates the sprint button lol
There's no reason for sheathe to take a whole shoulder button and gimp skills when the stick buttons aren't used
R3 is reset camera.
I have never used that in my life
A new area and big dungeon or two to explore with as little story as possible because it's clear they're incapable of making a compelling plot. No, I don't fricking care about the shitty "twists" tying the entire story back to the cycles. Also, remove the sliding on any slightly angled surface.
I want something as good as BBI, but I know what we're going to get is a shittier version of the Everfall with CLASSIC bosses like the Evil Eye, and Hydra
>Evil Eye
Never gonna happen thanks to WOTC.
They didn't do shit last time, and haven't raised a stink for the decade DD1's been commercially available, they wouldn't stand a chance enforcing any kind of copyright claim for them in DD2.
Focus on fleshing out the Dwarves a bit. There's like only two of them in the game and out of the 3 new races added. They're the ones with the least amount of development when it comes to their culture.
So BBI2, but it's a massive Dwarven hold that goes deep underground.
>They're the ones with the least amount of development when it comes to their culture.
But that's wrong. They have 1 more cultural tidbit about them than the elves do, even with just only 2 dwarves in the whole game. Dwarves
>like food for its flavor rather than scent
>forge things with the use of volcanos
>hate elves to the point that seeing an elf-dwarf couple is considered weird, yet are not averse to helping elves in need like restoring the health of their sacred tree
Elves on the other hand
>use their heart to aim bows rather than actual training and hand-eye coordination
>worship a tree
what's with pawn clothes looking like they're cumstained?
is this how dragonforged armor looks like?
oh damn it is. Goddamn it looks whack
because I keep cumming on your pawns anon
At least it's better than the Ur Dragon equipment.
Can't believe there isn't a mod to turn that off yet.
There is though.
What's it called?
I need all upgrades.
https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonsdogma2/mods/446
Cool, thanks.
Seems that's a work in progress to eliminate it entirely.
Forgot to mention, it doesn't get rid of the pulsating effect on your gear, just the dragonforged engraving things.
There is no need to dragonforge gear in the first place, game is already a walk in the park
you can't stop me from dragonforging the noble outfit
How long should it be til the DLC drops?
Double how long it took for DD1 to get Dark Arisen because I don't trust any modern day dev to release things within the same timeframe as old games.
i have no hopes. dd2 was the final game i was looking forward to in this shit fricking industry and it was a disaster.
I hope for more ways to spend rift crystals like in the first game. I'm sitting at 60k with nothing to do with them.
WHERE?!?!?!?!
The shack in the coastal caverns between halve village and vermund.
enemy variety
variety
>popularity of medieval fantasy open world games higher than ever
>golden opportunity for massive sales and to make Dragon's Dogma become one of Capcom's big franchises
>"Yeah, let's just half ass it like we did the first game"
God this has to be one of the most disappointing sequels of all time.
i didn't beat the game. kinda lost interest around the first sphinx encounter and beast town area just pissed me off
I already uninstalled and moved on. This shit sucks and is so disappointing.
Some actual good vocations.
Some actual enemy variety.
Allow me to use more skills.
Bosses that don't suck ass.
Do you really only get three skill slots this time?
4
It's 4 and most "mandatory class defining skills" from one were made a fixed part of the moveset.
It's literally just shitposters latching onto it because they see it as a "hard number gotcha"
i didnt know of this function, only samegays would know about this
nice pinky gap, post mouse grip
>Endless Tower
>BBI 2.0
>missing vocations
>more skills
>reworked old skills
>better equipment with more weapon types instead BiS is a fricking sword/great sword
>more armor layers
>Ur Dragon 2.0
>DDO vocations
>DDO maps
>DDO monsters
>more pawn depth control
>more pawn inclinations
>what are your hopes for DLC?
a development time span long enough for the pajeets and other doomposters to refocus on something else and get further mindbroken.
Just beat the game yesterday.
I honestly think this is one of the best games of all time. Everything feels deliberate. People have misconstrued design eccentricity and actual fricking vision to be incompleteness.
10/10, one of the best games I've ever played for sure. Very few complaints and I loved the original, as well. Maxed out every single vocation, unlocked all augments and skills. Will dabble again with strange Warfarer builds.
The majority of my deaths and wakestones came from falling off cliffs.
>The majority of my deaths and wakestones came from falling off cliffs
many such cases
>spoiler
That's the norm until pawn surfing becomes more well known.
It is definitely an incomplete game. The quality goes downhill as soon as you enter Battahl.
that's nice dearie
So close!! That is a shitpost.
I disagree. Battahl was very fun.
I'll never understand the morons that say it's not. The region has all the big monsters from Vermund + Medusa , more monster infighting, better rich people house, and (for melee parties) has enemy types that will actually speed up or slow down your encounter with them based on the weapons your party has.
>The region has all the big monsters from Vermund + Medusa
So its all reused enemies + a shitty braindead boss. Thanks for proving my point.
why are you being a knackerr?
>keeps the same amount of from the previous region + 1 more
>this is somehow a decline in quality
Like that anon asked, why are you a big knacker?
the same amount of from the previous region + 1 more that can only be found in one specific dungeon + it takes days to respawn
>this is somehow a increase in quality
Anon, this might come as a shock to you but all the enemies take days to respawn after killing them.
are you genuinely moronic?
imagine trying to get more than one gryphon kill in 1
>The quality goes downhill as soon as you enter Battahl
which is a lie, It's the portion of the map with a lot of verticality, secrets and probably the best battles with the difficulty increasing conspicuously and enemies gangbanging with their stun attacks. I must have spent 30-40 hours there just exploring without considering the quests and still missed a lot of things
>Everything feels deliberate.
This is the kind of feeling you get in the first game where you're just exploring an area and suddenly you find a chest or a cave, it makes you feel welcomed and it rewards exploration.
There's a story equivalent for that feeling in 2 with the sidequests, after a while you understand why everything is placed where it is, it gives everything a purpose and it makes you learn about the world as you play.
Sephiroth is close, Arisen.
does pilfering random people lower their affinity towards me?
Yes, every bad touch you do lowers it. If you really want to game your top 3 at the end
ah shit
I pilfer'd the gato sexo princess
Removing Denuvo.
Literally the only thing I want is bitterblack isle. Playing this game made me realize the only thing I really liked about DD1 was bbi.
You like a long string of battles and bosses?
That's battahl
Are people paid by Itsuno to defend against all criticism of this game? It's a cool game but it's pretty fricking far from perfect, especially as a sequel to 1. Comments like this are moronic.
Everyone can be a shill if you're moronic enough.
I'd love a huge procgen dungeon that has rest points every few floors, loot that has to be identified back at town, a further upgrade system, a cosmetic layer system, ability to dye gear, massively increased difficulty, more monsters and something like the Ur-Dragon.
Good skill loadout for Magick Archer? So far the ricochet skill has been the standout for me.
Between ricochet, Sagittate torrent and frost hunters you can kill everything in the game fairly easily. Slap on martyr bolt if you want the delete screen memes or not
I love ricochet, but it's so situational and you spend so much time outside that sometimes it's not worth having it equipped before exploring. I'd say the tryhard minmax skillset would be martyr's bolt, sagittate, blazefang and recovery.
Ricochet lets me pray and spray really far away targets
Also remember the ricochets aren't random all the time, if an enemy is nearby it will go that way after hitting a wall.
Ricochet shot is a cave cleaner it doesn't really do much oudoors but if you wanna use it go for it.
Sagittate arrow is your watered down martyr's bolt. Paired with the archer augment that lets you do more damage when hitting weak points and you'll be taking huge chunks off of enemies.
Martyr's bolt is your screen ender. Just sacrifice enough hp and everything in the direction you're facing will end up dead.
After that you can use anything. Personally I use soporific arrow because enemies will waste their time going into the knockdown animation before getting back in the fight, which is just free damage.
Ricochet is only useful in a semi-enclosed area, so if you're fricking about in the overworld I personally wouldn't bother with it. Frosthunter is in my opinion mandatory, as is Sagittate. You can flex to whatever you want for the other 1-2 skills from there. Martyr's is your big boss DPS button, Recovery is a pretty fricking fantastic heal that can AoE so you don't need to run with a mage if they're mostly just there for heals. Blazefang has an MGS Nikita launcher function which I find funny, but usually you'll deploy it without that mode on. Fortalice is my fun meme choice because it lets your tank pawn have an easier time and has a lot of knockdown power.
so, i just dreamt that:
you use one of the skill buttons instead of forcing you to high five.
>spank
>head pat
>high five
>nipple twister
>works on all npcs
>guards get angry, if you molest citizens
Would be basado
>beaten by an almost 10 year old, single player, ZERO ONLINE, RPG
Embarassing
ok frompig go back to your roll simulator
https://steamdb.info/app/2054970/charts/
I'll never understand why people make up lies that can be very easily fact checked.
99% of people never double check
Thats how these people "argue" all the time, throw out bad faith bullshit and hope no one proves them wrong, when they do they derail by moving goalposts to something else.
i enjoy dd threads much more with these filters on
/farquaad/i
/DD cultists/i
/DDtrannies/i
/DDtroon/i
/DDkeks/i
/DENUVO/i
/fanboy/i
/no co-op/i
/ENIGMA/i
/Dragons Dogshit/i
/Dragons SHITma/i
/Dragons Slopma/i
/slopma/i
/smegma/i
/flopma/i
/crapcum/i
/crapcom/i
/slop/i
/Dogma 1.2/i
/Dogma 1.5/i
/shill/i
/9 voc/i
/9.5 voc/i
/only 9/i
/only 10/i
/buy an ad/i
/no e-girls/i
/e-girl I'm not/i
/no buy/i
/Shitsuno/i
/DoA/i
/one save file/
/Awesome-button/i
/lazy cashgrab/i
/my hype for/i
/where is the hype/i
/the less I'm hyped./i
/no longer hyped/i
/losing traction/i
/30 fps/i
/tendies/i
/snoy/i
/steamtrann/i
/Humiliation ritual/i
Doesn't that first filter also end up with you missing out on anyone who makes their character/pawn to look like the Shrek character?
probably, haven't seen shrek chars in ages
It's insane to me that people will try to insist TW3's combat is "fine".
>after beating
i didnt touch this again after 15 hours, its a boring and soulless cashgrab
how's that AI upscale texture mod on the nexus
>Go infiltrate the castle for Sir Black person four times
>Okay frick off to Battal for no reason
>Le heckin wholesome Killmonger Black person is here to fight you!
>Gigantus has entered the battle, but the fight is literally just a giant psyop and it dies by itself regardless of your input
>Dragon fight from DD copypasta'd but worse
>Final confrontation in the game is basically a fricking QTE
Game is unironically better without any of the main story quests, they genuinely make the game worse
Giant mega dungeon like Bitter Black Isle with tons of new bosses. Maybe a new region to explore to go along with it.
A lot more big dungeons with more hidden features
I like climbing and finding hidden stuff
monsters that work together
more techniques
BBI2
>Get a knockdown on an ogre as an archer
>Just... stand there plinking at its head with my bow
This feels dumb, not having the melee's heavy attack finisher is so awkward in these situations
Warfarer
kick his nuts man.
arrow stab and kick
Suck his dick man
Tongue his donut man
Sniff his armpits sister
my level 80+ pawn has been getting daily hires again
looks like the curve has caught up
too bad there's really not any content left to squeeze out
Vocation?
warrior
If I had hope, it would be that they replace the dogshit caves with real dungeons, that have unique enemies, and unique loot
>unique enemies
it took them 12 years to copy paste the roster from DD1. DLC will give max 1 or 2 new enemies.
Nothing. No DLC can fix the game and I don't give a flying fig about BBI 2.0. How many more cycles until I get an actually complete Dragon's Dogma?
You will never get a good dragons dogma. You have to break the cycle and make it yourself. That is Itsunos Dogma
A new overworld to explore, a new BBI dungeon and hard mode.
Spooky northern mountain region
I think that one is referring to the Marshland Settlement, but could also be about the northern regions. There are also guards who refer to mysterious doors and we've seen that there are unused spellseal doors in-game conveniently covered by rubble.
Reminds me of a spooky phenomenon that happens in one Icelandic Saga where a glowing orange orb appears above a homestead which is subsequently beset by undead
anon, i know you haven't seen it for a couple of months, but that is just the sun
don't care, this can't be fixed with dlc
>Wild loot mod (everything in stores added to the world)
>enemy difficulty mod, all enemies take half damage and stagger (still too easy)
>enemy health mod giving enemies a range of hp increases
>NG+ epic encounters
Pretty nice also i take 25% more damage
Little girl pawns
Coop/splitscreen multiplayer (second player controls pawn)
anyone know where I can get more silence books
been burning my stock drake hunting
just get a silence pawn, my dude
nobody's running it
search by skill. somebody has gotta be not an idiot
the golem crumbled and now one of the medals is unreachable under the geometry
love when that happens
thank you itsuno-san
what the frick am i supposed to do about golems with weakpoints on the bottom of their feet
Knockdown
Grab and pull, gets them off balance, head rolls off and feet medal is exposed.
The real annoyance of a golem is the one medal in the shoulder/arm that hides itself
this is a big improvement over dd1, just push the golem over whenever it stops moving,
99% of Dragon's Dogma 2 is pure fun for me to play. That 1% I'm not having fun is dedicated to golems. Killing them is always such a chore. If there were only 3 in the entire game and they never respawned I'd be totally fine with them.
I'm scared of those caves with like 5 dead golems around
just glad they did away with the stupid metal golem shit
>That 1% I'm not having fun is dedicated to golems
I'm using a mod that makes them tiny. Same mod can also swap golems for a more fun enemy.
Golems can frick right off.
>MK is royal guard
So this is what MKgays deluded themselves into thinking. It actually makes sense now why they're so obnoxious and moronic
Bro, that's not an argument. Like, why would you even post and not post an argument?
Also, wtf is with this non-response shit. Are you scared of giving me precous updoots? What a fricking coward.
>Like, why would you even post and not post an argument?
Because I am not posting with the intent of arguing with someone? I'm neither of the people you're arguing with and have no dog in this fight you autist
Northern snowy region, an everfall added at gran soren ruins if you complete the unmoored world and save everyone, more enemy variety, a hard mode
>fighting gigantus as MA for the first time
>i kill all its weakpoints immediately, but for some reason the final weakpoint never dies
>i shoot the shit out of it forever until gigantus reaches it's appropriate death cutscene
i felt so cheated. that fricker should've fallen flat on his face immediately, but the game said 'no you can't kill it it needs to do its thing'
Hopes and dreams:
>Northern snowy region of the map to fill out all that fricking blank space in the northwest
>NG+ with a "G-Rank" option - featuring faster, more aggressive, more durable enemies with some new attacks sprinkled in
>More enemy types, a few more vocations and a raised job level cap, new skills/passives
Basically Dragon's Dogma: Iceborne.
Also something I like to call "Trailblazer Mode":
>You're tasked to travel between two arbitrary points on the map within an in-game time limit (2 days, a week, etc.) - oxcarts/ferrystones of course do not work during this
>these points can range from quick and simple like from melve to the borderwatch outpost, or world-trekking like the volcanic island camp to the nameless village
>You spawn with minimal, if any items except for a tent, and can only use what you procure on the field.
>Chests on the map have their contents replaced with various tokens you can redeem for a chance at unique and powerful gear as well as rare materials
>if you don't make it within the time limit, all your loot is forefeited
>various optional modifiers to further increase rewards, such as halved stamina regeneration, more large enemies, no sleeping, etc.
So the idea is that you need to balance getting to your location on time with going off the beaten path and finding chests to really rack up the rewards.
>in post game
>happy I can finally get new daggers, because the ice ones I got in the bandit cave carried me for most of the game
>buy the ones Dragonforged sells for 110 WC, not putting much thought into it, thinking they must be the strongest ones
>notice they're much weaker than the upgraded ice daggers
>well maybe they get bigger stat jumps each upgrade
>kill medusa for upgrade materials
>they're still shit and notice that the regular vendors sell much better ones now
>need granite medusa bones for other equipment upgrades now
>she doesn't respawn in the postgame and Ibrahim is nowhere to be found to duplicate it
I'm so fricking mad. what Dragonforged gear is actually worth buying?
bring armor layering back
literally they could charge 30 dollars for hard mode and layering and thats enough for me to put 500 hours back into it
why golems randomly just lose their head and break into boulders in fights? still a lot of hp left
that's what happens when they get full knock downed
you can force it at the start of a fight by pushing on them or using dedicated knockdown moves like implicate
the fight gets a lot easier when it loses the ability to aim its lasers, and as a meme, you can even push the head around so it's aiming at itself
>fight gets a lot easier when..
this kind of stuff is cool when it happens but with current scaling it just makes the fights braindead. Victory music starts when shooting one fire arrow towards griffin lol. I've been having a lot of fun with difficulty tweaks mod though
did they put the moon dungeon that was cut from DD 1
that's probably an expansion or some shit
>"no"
ok shit game then
Holy Capcvck cope.
It needs large, well designed dungeons that focus on combat and exploration. I want treasure chests in fixed locations that have fixed meaningful rewards. I also want gear loadouts and new vocation ranks that come with new core skills, custom skills, and augments. No more open world areas, the world is already way too huge to begin with. Put all that effort into dungeons with actual level design instead. New monsters is a given as well. I'd also like a subclass system that gives everyone a second vocation and skill palette to swap to though I doubt that will happen.
I want more cs_ maps, im tired of playing de_battahl2 all the fricking time i want to play something soulfull like cs_slavecamp.
>what are your hopes for DLC?
Finish the game. Put actual content in the main world.
Speaking of DLC. I recorded some evidence that what's behind these dirt covered doors are definitely dungeons and arenas.
This is the only one I've found where they forgot to remove a structure.
noice
Also, unrelated webm of my pawn
Rate her
what is that armor?
Stargazer's Garb, but edited with a mod.
She's cute, but put her in something that isn't bawdwear or she's gonna blend in like all the other cute loose fempawns.
>She's cute, but put her in something that isn't bawdwear
I'll try, maybe she'll get hired more. She has about 50 thumbs up and 50 hearts though. Not sure if that's a lot.
Ok bros, new outfit. How's this?
Reminds me of that girl from the fifth element
generic/10
That's actually pretty cool. I just hope they can fix the performance issues before they drop the DLC, or at least add a native frame generation option
>DLC
it's unfinished cut content because Capcom rushed the game release, don't get your hopes up
That's how DLC works anon, it's usually cut content/ideas that didn't make it into the base game.
if anything we'll get a whole new area, I highly doubt they are gonna do anything to the base map
lol this shit is NEVER coming back, game is an unfinished mess, Itsuno is going to leave CAPCOM and you VILL play the newest Monster Slop
at least monster hunter never disappoints as much
More vocations and monsters. Containing them into a BBI 2.0 seems like a no brainer.
>exploring the west side of the map
>eventually find bakbhattal
>literally nothing to do there
>run all the way back to vermund to wrap up the story quests (all trash btw)
>turn in the last one
>brant doesn't give me anything else to do
>explore north and find elf city
>nothing to do
>run all the way back to bakbhattal
>STILL nothing to do
this game is so annoying to play
beastren, are you moronic?
observing reality doesn't make me moronic
You have a main objective visible at all times anon ...
>people unironically prefer mage and sorc from DD1 over 2
I refuse to believe this, quickcharging your spells and levitate make these classes actually fun to play.
DD2 has no player freedom with how you can play, its shit
holy bolt spammers, being mad you can't play ma without a bow
I was thinking of getting this game some time down the road when the "complete" edition comes out eventually as I enjoyed DD1. So am I to understand this right, that warfarer basically lets me become a spellblade, combining a great sword and sorcerer spells together?
yes but you only have 3 skill slots and slightly weaker stats.
the only purpose of warfarer is to be able to wear any clothing you want without the vocation restrictions, it's a direct downgrade to every other vocation
Warfarer utterly shits on every other vocation if used properly with weapon swapping since you can combine 3 OP skills and use all weapon skills (so your party doesn’t even need a mage to heal)
Sure, so long as those 3 OP skills don't happen to be maister skills. You'd have to use a mod for that.
>install true warfarer
>tfw
why wasn't it like this from the start? I weep for console players unable to experience this
Because Capcom's moronic. If they wanted to keep things balanced then just make it so that warferer gets 3 assignable skill slots per weapon type equipped and the 4th is hard locked to rearmament. They can even keep the no maister skill shit.
Warfarer is already fricking broken with 3 skills. “True” Warfarer gays are moronic shit is cringe
>“True” Warfarer gays are moronic shit is cringe
Frick you, consoleBlack person. The mod is very fun for NG+ with ultra hard mode mods.
What are your thoughts on Assassin from the first game that gets to equip 12 skills?
>12 skills
You still have to pick 2 weapons, it's 8
It's 12. 3 per weapon, you keep them in your inventory and swap in menu.
a worse strider.
>If they wanted to keep things balanced then just make it so that warferer gets 3 assignable skill slots per weapon type equipped and the 4th is hard locked to rearmament.
because it would make every other vocation completely useless
>because it would make every other vocation completely useless
Ah yes, as opposed to right now where every melee class is outdone by thief, as an example.
It's a single player game. I play Warrior and I don't care if thief is better.
Having Warfarer with 3 unique abilities per weapon equipped would destroy any notion of having vocations to begin with however.
It already does that. I could play as a Fighter Warfarer and equip 4 fighter skills and have the freedom to wear any armor and switch to a bow and staff whenever I please. Riotous Fury doesn't make up for that.
Nta but whether you think they are good or not maister skills do give a purpose to the original classes
Yeah ok, you can do that. But you didn't single handedly make every single vocation in the game redundant all at once by doing that. You're just playing a warrior with gimped knockdown resistance.
>It's a single player game. I play Warrior and I don't care if thief is better.
Then why the frick do you care if Warfarer gets those changes?
One class being better than another class doesn't make the other class redundant because maybe they play different.
One class being all the other classes combined does make everything redundant. Why even have vocations at that point? It kind of undoes the whole game.
These are not the same issues.
Again, as you pointed out, none of that fricking matters because it's a singleplayer game.
It's even more irrelevant because Warfarer is an arisen only vocation.
You're b***hing about other people having fun, that's all there is to it.
kek I'm not b***hing, I'm just saying why the Warfarer is limited in the way that it is.
>WHY DID CAPCOM DO THIS TO ME WHY
This is why, child.
>One class being all the other classes combined does make everything redundant
Warfarer still isn't this, because stat distributions are different.
A warfarer is a shittier warrior due to having lower knockdown resist but a better mystic spearhand because in comparison warfarer has a higher knockdown resist.
If Warfarer got to have 3 skills per weapon equipped it would make the entire vocation system redundant.
Don't see how. The one extra skill each vocation gets over a warfarer can make all the difference.
I think Warfarer with 3 unique ability slots per weapon would be fun as hell, but I'm explaining to you guys why Capcom limited it in the first place. It's a vocation that undermines a core mechanic of the game and doesn't gel well with the design philosophy behind Dragon's Dogma (having separate vocations that do different things).
Imagine playing New Vegas and there are separate ballistics, melee, energy weapons, explosives, and heavy gunner builds, and then there is one build that incorporates all of them all at once.
Yeah... it's probably the "fun" one, but it also breaks the other builds and makes having builds at all be redundant.
I'm telling you it already is. In most cases, Warfarer will just give you any of the other vocations with the added benefits of any armor and being able to mix other weapons. The only noticeable hit is Warrior's knockdown resist which is solved using rings and dwarven armor.
You get warfarer so late it should make the vocation system redundant as you should have played them all except maybe magick archer by then
>having one vocation replace all others to make all endgame/ postgame/ NG+ playthroughs play the same way
VS
>having big drawbacks to that vocation to allow players to choose their preferred playstyle
homie just don't play warfarer. You said it yourself, you play warrior and don't care if thief invalidates the vocation. Why the frick would this be any different?
He didn’t say he doesn’t care if thief invalidates warrior, he said he doesn’t care if thief is BETTER
There’s a difference, even if thief is overall better you can still enjoy the Warrior playstyle. People are advocating that Warfarer should just be “every class but better”
>limited to 3 skills instead of 4
>stats can, like with warrior, make them worse
>"every class but better"
You dumb as hell.
>lose 1 skill and 30 points of X stat (only noticeable penalty at all is warrior)
>gain 20+ equipped skills
>”this is a real choice bro”
'Just don't use it lol' is always a shitty excuse for bad balancing. I like how warfarer works now. Why would I want an unbalanced version of it?
It's basically the choice between 'stupidly overpowered version of a vocation that I would stop playing' and 'balanced version of a vocation that is fun'.
I'm a True Warfarer gay and I disagree with you. Warfarer existing in its current state is better overall because the limitations allow for creative build combinations. If you were literally all classes rolled into one, it would invalidate playing every other vocation while also voiding the "create unique builds" element. I DO think rearmament shouldn't be a think and it should just have 4 skills though.
I only use true warfarer because I play with cdt and make the game like 10x fricking harder
>it would invalidate playing every other vocation while also voiding the "create unique builds" element
How so?
You still have to pick 3 out of a variety of skills in each vocation, and with how rearmament works you also not only have to pick which vocations you want to use but in what order they come up to help you.
>You still have to pick 3 out of a variety of skills in each vocation
Because having potentially 21 skills is not "limited" moron
>it's not unique builds anymore!
>how is it not unique?
>I mean it's not limited!
Don't hurt your back moving that goalpost.
"I get to have everything at once with no downside" is not unique you dumb homosexual
Ah yes. Of course.
Who can forget that true warfarer or that suggested post gives you hotkey buttons for every single skill in the class right away. You don't have to pick and choose which ones you want to bring into battle, they're all right there to use off the bat.
You can unlock warfarer before doing a single of the homie captain quests
Unlike DD1 there is no real soft locked regions where you would get raped at low levels
>a better mystic spearhand because in comparison warfarer has a higher knockdown resist
Getting gangraped by kn***ers slightly less than ususal isn't worth losing the Spearhand's main source of big dick dps.
Spearhand warfarer still gets to use twein cut though.
>Spearhand's main source of big dick dps.
You mean the meister skill? Good luck hitting enemies weak points with that trash.
Spearhand best skills are the stunlocking (no slot required) and shield
>Good luck hitting enemies weak points with that trash
Skill issue. Just Feste your way onto the boss's head before using it, or stand between the legs if it's a drake. And make sure to keep your fat thumb off the left stick unless repositioning is necessary during it.
You get the ability to wear any armor you want and equip three weapons at the cost of a skill button, now used to put one weapon away and pull the other one out.
It feels horrendously tacked on.
You also can't use the vocation-associated maister skills like Metereon or the Thief's auto-dodge.
true but if you equip daggers you can use the thief dodge skill which is already so broken who needs auto dodge.
autododge is fantastic when combined with Blades of the Pyre
Out of everything I was hoping they'd change between DD and DD2, linking utility to skills to equipped weapons was my biggest expectation.
Why does my character instantly forget how to double jump and dodge the minute he puts down his knives and picks up something else?
yeah I'd love if we had a movement skill slot or something where we could slot in shit like walljump, double jump, or levitate based on the classes we've levelled.
It's not so much about the loss of the dodge it's the inability to use any of your unlocked maister skills, you're already giving up one button for the Warfarer maister skill (which is integral to the class which is kinda gay, why not just make it a shoulder button?)
Warfarer with mods is peak
gameplay uwu + true warfarer, right?
>It's one of the best ones I've played overall just because the combat is so good.
Totally agree. There's no game that has better group combat than DD2. Due to how the physics work, haven't seen any other game do this in a similar fashion.
I've played through original DD1 on PS3 and DDDA start to finish on PS3 and PC.
DD2 is better than launch DD1 in every single way, and I'd say SLIGHTLY better than DDDA. once the perfrormance is fixed it will be GOTYAY
I disagree.
Did *anyone* have a problem with 2 weapon hybrid vocations?
is there a point of no return for the quests? i've given the lifecrystals to the guy but i read a few weeks ago that there's nearing the end and i still need to explore half of battahl
captain brant's quest mentioning a coronation will lock you out of his other quests if you haven't done them. Other than that the only other point of no return quest is very obvious, you will be heading towards a tower in the area of the game you started out and a guard will stop you and say you should probably rest before going forward
thanks anon
IIRC the coronation also locks out the phantom oxcart, a beggars tale and the 2 masquerade quests that Sven gives you. It DOESN'T block Wilhelmina's quest chain though, unlike what some people report.
Nah, I did phantom Oxcart after doing the coronation.
Shit, Phantom Oxcart only becomes available after coronation, since it requires legal access to Battahl, so I must've confused it with another quest. Good to know that Beggar's Tale also does not get locked.
Sorry for spreading misinfo, Anons
Does it? I did phantom and beggar after the coronation
Once you get the Godsbane back from him, a crisis event triggers and some exploration gets limited.
Then once you resolve that crisis, there's a final point of no return once you return to the slave camp from the game's beginning. An NPC will run up to you and tell you to go sleep in an inn before proceeding. At this point crisis mmusic stops playing and you can go back to exploring.
>trashing mobs on the way to clean up early quests I missed in Vermund
>hired pawn offers hand for a high-five as is the norm
>my main pawn walks up to him before I can and completes the high-five literally right in front of my face
what the frick did I just get cucked by my own pawn, I've never had a post battle celebration stolen from me before
>there are people out there that consider this to be the best open world RPG they have ever played
Clearly not the best, but it's the one I enjoyed the most.
you need to expand your horizons and play more games
well name some games then
>Gothic 1, Gothic 2: NOTR, Archolos
>Kenshi
>Enderal: Forgotten Stories
>Balrum
>Brigand: Oaxaca
>Kingdom Come: Deliverance
>Underrail
just some off the top of my head that I enjoyed a lot
some of these aren't even the same fricking genre, I love Kenshi but it's not even remotely similar.
also KC:D is the most overrated shit.
they're all open world RPGs, even Kenshi though I do agree that it could be subjective
>also KC:D is the most overrated shit.
can't help you fix your shit taste
you prefer kcd combat lol?
frick no, but we're not judging the games based entirely on the combat
compare the KCD worldbuilding and quests to DD2 and tell me which one comes out on top
I'd say Underrail it's pretty open ended, there are lots of places to explore, especially with the DLC
>I'd say Underrail it's pretty open ended, there are lots of places to explore, especially with the DLC
It's open ended, but it's absolutely not an open world. Each screen has chokepoint transitions and you can't freely run from one "end" of the world to the other. There's also no overworld like Fallout or area select screen like BG1. There's really no definition of open world that it fits.
I see your point when you put it like that, but I'd still consider it as open world even if the world is made out of small maps connected to each other via loading screens
it doesn't fit the definition 100% but the idea is still the same, a big traversable game area that is open to the player from the start
judge games based on their merit, not on the amount of people playing them you dumb NPC
>it doesn't fit the definition 100% but the idea is still the same
It doesn't fit the definition at all.
>a big traversable game area that is open to the player from the start
Have you even played Underrail? Huge portions of the map aren't available at the start. It's very gated.
>Have you even played Underrail?
it's been a couple of years since I beat it
>Huge portions of the map aren't available at the start. It's very gated.
but it opens up eventually, aren't most of the areas like the caves gated by powerful enemies? Gothic did the same thing
>but it opens up eventually
You literally said
>a big traversable game area that is open to the player from the start
>that is open to the player from the start
It doesn't even fit the definition of open world that you yourself gave. How many more times are you going to run around with the goalposts before you admit that you said something stupid and wrong?
>aren't most of the areas like the caves gated by powerful enemies?
Please show me how you reach the deep caverns before the end game.
>It doesn't even fit the definition of open world that you yourself gave.
at the beginning, once you return from the Junkyard the world becomes more accessible, the parts before could even be considered as a tutorial
besides, using high tier enemies to gate the player from entering certain parts of the map is not an uncommon thing in open world RPGs
>Please show me how you reach the deep caverns before the end game.
Deep Caverns are the endgame area, you can't access the unmoored world locations in DD2 from the start either, endgame areas being locked away from the player does not invalidate the open world definition
>at the beginning
Again, your words were
>a big traversable game area that is open to the player from the start
What does from the start mean?
>Deep Caverns are the endgame area, you can't access the unmoored world locations in DD2 from the start either
Unmoored World is a different version of the same map. Deep Caverns are an entirely different area. Even then, cave ins and faceless digging block off and reveal different parts of the world throughout the game. If you have actually played the game, it's clear you haven't done so in so long that you have no recollection of how it's actually laid out. It's not open world at all. You're wrong.
Not him, but Underrail isn't open world. KCD is absolute fricking top tier, though. As are DD and DD2.
>Kingdom Come: Deliverance
Only one I've played. Not a bad game, but way too story driven for my taste. I got as far as when you get rescued after your sword is taken and decided it's just not a game for me.
>Clearly not the best, but it's the one I enjoyed the most.
Anon, I also enjoyed it greatly. The combat is deeply satisfying.
/I've played just about every worthwhile game. Been playing since 1985
It's one of the best ones I've played overall just because the combat is so good.
Or you could just stop replying to obvious bait like eat shitting newbies.
>everything I don't agree with is bait
trash game
>tfw blew up ogre as it was slobbering on hired babe with like 3 spells to knock it around a bit
>fell into pit then suddenly seized, fell into default pose
>not dead but not alive, cannot loot it
huh
can women get pregnant with ogre babies?
ogres don't procreate that way. you don't want to know how they do
oh shit you replicated the bullshit that happened to me. So this game really is a buggy mess.
>After beating the game, what are your hopes for DLC?
TO THE MOON BAAAABY!!!!
If they added everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, removed from the first back into the sequel. I'd buy it immediately. That includes
>permanent postgame world
>expanded everfall
>revamped bbi
>all skills
>all vocations
>all monsters
That will never happen however, so it will remain a shit sequel.
The northern snow elf place
A DLC that fixes the fricking ending or BBI+
>oh shit it's the medusa
>this'll be a crazy fight
>jump on her back
>her AI shits the bed and stops attacking
BRAVO ITSUNO
skyrim mogs dd lmao
hundreds of thousands of people play skyrim 15 years after release
no one plays dd anymore
what a weird comparison to make. anon did you know skyrim mogs literally any other game you enjoy? did you know fortnite mogs skyrim? man, what a moronic take lol.
Skyrim with mods mogs literally everything.
>Skyrim with mods mogs literally everything.
The combat in Skyrim with a gazillion mods is so much worse than DD2. Claiming otherwise is disingenuous.
skyrim mogs ffxiv, elden ring, new vegas, vampire and so on. truly the pinnacle of gaming
MY FRICKING DICK
>Didn't follow Brant out of the noble quarter
>Wilhelmina is taken away and leaves the game
>Find out after I slept the night
brb kms
You fricked up handing over evidence to Wilhemina. If you did it right guards don't take her away at all.
I showed brant one piece, I think the murder report
When Wilhelmina asked for evidence I could only deliver the other one
You can show Brant both, he gives them back to you anyway.
As for Wilhemina, just showing her the bribery stuff gets her hauled to jail.
This was the best moment in a game's storyline in recent memory. People are quick to say the story/writing is shit in Dragon's Dogma 2 but some of these sidequests are amazing. The orphan girl and the killer nun come to mind as well.
Why do you care about a prostitute?
prostitute with a heart of gold tropes
Wilhemina is not what that trope means.
>put 100 hours into my first playthrough, missed this and never found the archer meister
>misses entire elf questline
That's me
Took me until my third playthrough to talk to the elvish frick in front of the armory
least obvious quest npc
i went back and forth to the sacred arbor so many times and spoke to every npc i could find and i guess i missed talking to the one that mattered
That's because the one that matters isn't in Sacred Arbor.
>super greasy babe approaches me in the dark of the night to ask to be escorted
>assume it's going to be along my way on the journey South
>instead asks to be escorted to the Nameless Village way out in the fricking middle of nowhere
sorry babe, free rides only apply to the Vermund Morgue
Please give us quest destination previews Itsuno
Why the frick is your game sepia toned, anon? lmao
I think it was just how greasy that particular broad was, she kind of blended into the brown and yellow behind her coupled with my brightness being way down. I went and found her body and she looks considerably more normal when she's not greased up.
No, your screenshot is legit sepia toned. Look at the button prompts on your middle shot. Those are colorful on my game.
he could be using f.lux or a similar software
Nothing like that, I've got no reshade installed either - most I've got is REFramework and some gameplay/armor mods. Nothing visual though beyond disabling the vignette. I do have my brightness dropped all the way down.
the corset was kind of charming at first but now that 2/3 of all female pawns wear it I have grown to absolutely despise it. I was in a pinch the other day after having lost a pawn to the brine and decided to hire a wandering one I found. she was wearing the corset and I used her for a while but at the soonest convenient time I dismissed her with no rating and a rotten apple.
when everyone's a bawd no one's a bawd
She's my SphinxParent, I need to drop her off on the way back to Battahl
I wish they'd show the destination before you accepted it
You guys did open up the massively time saving shortcut from Sacred Arbor to Melve, right? You didn't just walk there from Vernworth every time, right?
I dropped a portcrystal in Sacred Arbor the second I found it so I didn't have to walk there like a fricking peasant.
I didn't learn how to access that shortcut until like my third playthrough when I looked it up. I was so confused because I'd search the ruins top to bottom each time when doing the elf quest there but could never figure out how to get past the blocked door. turns out you just.... wait a few days after completing the quest and return to it and it automatically opens.
so until then I just placed a portcrystal inside the sacred arbor and ferried there whenever I had need of elves.
You know you can just bait the skellies on the other end into attacking the door and opening it for you right? It's not the only locked door you have to open this way.
if there had been skellies on the opposite side of the door I would have tried that. but there was nothing each time I did that quest.
Odd, I completed the quest, camped for one day then went back and there were skeletons on the opposite side of the door.
the skeleton lord doesn't spawn during the day
but having to do side quests reee
I was replaying the first, doing a brontide only run. I didn't realize it could permanently stunlock bigger monsters like ogres. Its even more devastating when pawns join in.
>harpy grabs me
>at least she doesn't fly me off the cliff
>another harpy catches me midfall
>off the cliff i go
>several quests centered around stealth
>there's no actual stealth mechanic
>you have to awkwardly walk around the guards or just run around them
what were they thinking?
you'd have to be a moron to get caught though, or put on different clothes
that does not excuse this shit being tacked on several of the main quests
even a normal fetch quest would be better
but it is a fetch quest. you don't have walk several inches away from guards if you don't want to
Funny, I ran around guards with my normal gear on and they didn't give a shit. Was it bugged?
Same, I'm honestly not even sure a stealth system exists at all, despite the game trying to convince me it does. For every mission I just sprinted into the castle at full tilt without problems. Even when guards shouted their "hey, you can't be here" lines after me, I just kept running and nothing happened. The only quest that paid lip service to stealth was the one where I freed the old dude from jail, and even there the patrolling guards ignored me entirely, except for those two times were they started attacking me without warning. But then I just killed them and nothing else happened. No reinforcements, no alarm, I just finished the quest.
>some based modder finally made a mod that bring in the cover art armor
Nice, i can finally continue playing the game
stupid capcom and itsuno not putting the damn armor set in the game
This makes me think layoured armor was initially meant to be in the game.
I think so too.
Definitely something they intended for the game and didn't make it in, or they're saving it for an update/DLC
You guys do pile up bodies of dead bandits, right?
>what are your hopes for DLC?
For Itsuno to bring back animation cancelling, the scrapped skills, the scrapped combos like dire onslaught, and the scrapped spells. Bringing back Mystic Knight would also be great. Aside from that? A hard mode and a BBI styled dungeon with lots of enemy variety
If he does this, MAYBE DD2 will be half as good as DDDA
I'd take more of everything, really. More enemies, vocations, areas, armor/weapons, etc. Most importantly though is some kind of repeatable content/boss fights that are tuned for high level/well geared characters. The fact there's nothing like the Ur dragon, Everfall or BBI at the end when the combat is the best part of the game is hugely detracting from the longevity of the game.
Repeatable love interest sex for buffs. Why the frick does fricking an underling prostitute power me up but not sleeping with my chosen love interest like Wilhemina or Ulrika?
First play through is done. As you can see, I'm quite bad at video games.
>113 deaths
.......how?
Something to challenge me as I've become level 80+ and have all the best loot in the game.
I'm in NG+ and I have to use basic ass starter gear to feel some semblance of combat, which is kind of kino in a way, using a basic set of armor + basic sword feels badass in an RP kind of way, but there has to be some sort of answer to having all that top tier gear, some sort beast (or beasts) that can match it.
If Capcom combined Monster Hunter's level of boss diversity with Dragon's Dogma 2's world/exploration/scale/setting, I'd have the perfect game in my hands.
How the frick do I get robbed? It's the only achievement I'm missing.
I'm level 89 homie how the frick do I just let some dick ass thief take my shit, I undress to remove all knockdown resistance and still the fricking homosexuals just circle me.
Spread cheeks and await wiener in arse.
And what of good Solonius?
don't think they go for it while you can defend yourself
It has to be a specific bandit, not just any Thief will do. They're distinctive since they have hoods and face coverings and their behaviour makes them hang back more. There's usually 1 per mob.
They exist in many places but as I recall there's one outside the Volcanic camp and one somewhere on the road to Checkpoint Rest near one of the towers.
If you're having trouble getting downed just use a skill that depletes stamina, fall of a cliff, etc. Also make sure you actually have something to steal.
It just popped for me @ outer Vernworth in the tunnel passages if "To the Victor Go the Spoils" is the achievement you're referring to. Specifically the little passage located underneath the empty little shack with a locked door in the fields outside of the main city.
Had one of them tackle me and then steal an apple.
whoops forgot image
I refunded the game. My hope is that they one day make it not a technical abomination.
love grabbing a cart and dozing only to wake up to a cyclops in the middle of/in front of the cart irreparably destroying it and leaving you in the middle of nowhere
No refunds.
Tis as you say.
I daresay that's part and parcel of the adventurer's trade
I don't know why but I love when games can frick you in your ass like this. Same thing when I heard about how dragon's plague can destroy your entire town.
Or when that knight you saved in Dark Souls kills your firekeeper and ruins your hub area for like half the game
These sucker punches add a lot of flavour to a game.
wish they did more with dragon aids, a quest, a fight or something. brining pawns immediately over it is a bit bland
started hating sorcerer pawns because of this. get ambush, sorc sends meteor, blows up cart, now I have to walk the rest of the way
Exactly why I've started vetting any magic pawns I hire, usually only go for support builds and leave the big magic to myself.
Rushed beta game
I knew the solution to the Sphinx fight but didn't want to kill her she seemed cool.
The eternal wakestone is for her Anon why did you just take it and leave didn't you like her riddles?
but the fight is a riddle, you don't want to solve her riddles? she's doesn't die btw
you miss the interaction of grabbing the stone in ng+ right in front of her or using a forged key
You got a video of that?
nope, couldn't find a clip either
WHAT THE FRICK
I did make a forgery of Brant's infinite Gaol key
in this cast its key of mendacity
>people seething on plebbit who got the throne ending who didnt realize there is an entire post game they missed out on
huh, i got this weird cool unique sword item and never got to use it, oh well! sits on throne
There are 3 messages on the main menu if you try to NG+ after the peace ending.
Stop going to Reddit anon, it's bad for your brain
just learned you can petrify talos
You can petrify every enemy. Even the red dragon.
>Shoot unmaker arrow
>Drops the spear
>Bridge is saved
>Get a special cutscene with Raghnall
>Talos still keeps moving until you see Phaesus take the elevator cart thing
>Run all the way to the slave camp
>Make it there before Phaesus
>Cutscene plays with Phaesus alreay inside the tower
Fun stuff
Everfall, BBI
>Storage full of magic medals
They sell for 1200 G each, btw
The only redeeming part of fighting a golem. They are gold pinatas.
It fricking sucks that they very obviously cut some vocations out specifically to sell them later as dlc. It's scummy as frick, but that's capcom for ya.
What are you guys go to weapons and skills for Warfarer?
I have those holy daggers for implicate and that skewer skill, magic bow for ricochet shot in caves, the cheapest mage staff I could find cause I only want the levitation and the dragon bow for using special arrows.
>Every once in a while my Warfarer arisen levels up mage, sorcerer and trickster
Cool, support shit fricking sucks. Pawns expect a leader and few actually go ahead and attack.
Warfarer slowly levels up every vocation you have unlocked. It's easier to just level the other vocations individually though because even with Warfarer taking twice as long to level up as other vocations, your other vocations will get barely enough dcp to go from rank 1 to 4 by the time you're rank 9.
>waited like a week in-game for Spellbound quest to advance
>ME STUDIES IS GOIN WELL SER AYEx30
>look it up and apparently her dementia-addled grandma has a bad habit of walking outside and getting gangbanged to death by goblins
love this game sometimes
hate it sometimes as well
>walking outside and getting gangbanged to death by goblins
would be hot if it wasn't some old hag
We should all just agree that Warfarer was a mistake. It's a lazy "vocation" that doesn't belong in the game.
It really is. Also, the name is an absurd joke. Warfarer would suggest someone that's a master of warfare in all its forms, except this guy can only do 4 (3 really because one is rearmament) weapon skills. That's at best 3 skills of one thing and at worst 1 skill for each of 3 weapons. Makes sense that you get the knowledge from a failed arisen who spends his days being drunk.
>only 3.5%
how
Not everyone camps both day and night, much less cooks different meats. They stick with cooking the best one, or only have the worst one thanks to spoilage and resort to that.