Ganker got me with this shit with Xenoblade 2.
No, the story suddenly picking up at the start of the last 3/4ths of the game doesn't make it good. Especially since it goes to shit again.
It tickles my autism >draw something, throw it in a drawer >look at it sometime later to critique or improve >fightan >save replays of every game, loss or win >watch them again and note how I'm fricking up or being stupid
Will Grub go full MGTOW?
Is Grub's name a reference to the GRUB bootloader?
I like the art. I find it silly and fun. I'd be surprised if you don't fap to furry art. I also like the tribal music and typing sfx. Keep up the good work anon.
I'm having Yotsuba's neighbor sisters and their mom going at it. Also got commissioned to draw Tifa piledriving Elena, which is nice since my fav artist made the match up very iconic in the genre.
It could, but really, I don't see it other than some form of communication.
Not exactly art, but can be art if you're willing to put some basic art fundies.
a doodle page from when I was stuck at the airport a week or so ago
If you browse /ic/ and take it seriously you're a confirmed sour lamo
I looked around for a while but I didn’t stay for long. Maybe illustrating/painting like a classical master is beyond my reach but my fulfillment in life isn’t tied to grinding /ic/
This is my concept for a animated show, about various cartoons living in a world with real people and toons like Who Framed Roger Rabbit. She is a delinquent who wants to become a actress in a cartoon version of Hollywood.
I wish I had learned to draw when I was 14, now at 24 it's too late
Why do so many people think it's impossible to just put ideas down onto paper/pixels?
It can't start without you just being willing to put in the effort.
So here's the thing: I'm gonna preface this by saying I am 100% certain you will dismiss any comment or criticism with "Well I just do it for fun and it's my style and shut up." So a pre-emptive frick you for that.
Now; If you're going to try and make big pictures full of detail, you still have to actually apply basic principles of composition and construction because what you have no is a jumbled mass of unfocused nonsense. There's no focal point, there's no drawing the viewer through the image, there's no heriarchy of forms. you just have big empty spaces punctuated by these smatterings of fine details that are basically unreadable and the result is that everything gets lost in the shuffle.
If you're going to try and work like this, you still need to respect the foundations of structure in order to make your images not an unreadable mess.
Not that anon but I'm interested in drawing big illustrations like these, but I have no idea the usual workflow for said pieces. Also too much details going on usually confuses the hell out of me, how do I solve that?
I mean, I can't tell you specifically how someone like Sean works. I know the guy, I like his art, but I don't know his workflow and even if I did I wouldn't be able to recreate it. But if I had to make a guess or at least provide what advice I can I would say that the same rules apply as any sort of illustration work; you work from big to small. You start by establishing the basic building blocks of the composition and idenfity where you want to draw the viewer's eye, and then you identify how you're going to do that.
If you look at Sean's work specifically, you'll notice he actually sort of works backwards from most artists . Whereas generally you focus your density of detail on the place you want the viewer to look and the rest of the image can have less, he tends to use bright highlights to wash out and soften the detail in the areas of main focus, and then use details to "darken" and clutter the areas that don't draw your eye.
How do do that? Just work slowly, methodically. Lay out a thing, and draw until it is full, and then move on to the next thing. It's not really a process you can teach, you just have to feel your way through it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You mean the washed out backgrounds around the aliens near the food stalls? Also seems like a frick ton of autism involved in for the detailing, guess you really need to train yourself for this shit.
I'm pretty much just figuring out shit as I go. I haven't drawn scenery pictures that much beforehand.
>there's no focal point, there's no drawing the viewer through the image, there's no heriarchy of forms
I got no clue wtf you are talking about with these.
The focal point is where the drawing pushes the viewer to look via the movement and direction of everything else. When you're doing landscapes, you generally define this with contrast. It defines the painting is built and what you're communicating to the viewer is important.
We can't make drawings where everything is at the same level of dense detail because it gets crowded, muddy, and confusing. The viewer has no idea where to look and they get lost and bored trying to figure it out.
Next time you want to do a big scene, try just blocking shit out in big chunky greyscale shapes first, establish a bright value and a dark value and then fill in chunks of grey between those two to build your landscape. Use your bright values to focus the viewer onto the most important part or provide contrast so the cool stuff stands out more instead of being lost in a sea of monotone grey.
>https://www.instagram.com/fearofpaper/
I've just started so you might want to wait for a few pages to drop, once I've made a few more pages I'll make sure to set up a proper website and link it from my insta.
Anon, you need to massage these visual ideas until they’re less derivative, it comes off like you’re going for a style you don’t understand or haven’t synthesized entirely. What you have here isn’t irredeemable but you’ll be better off long term by treating this as planning or piloting or something like that, and refining the visuals towards something more original. Use symbols that are meaningful to you, not symbols you see other people use. Or if you’re going to borrow at least improve/hone some of the details as you translate the idea into your work. Don’t get discouraged by this post, you have an idea you’re putting some sort of meaningful effort into. Just figured you don’t want to regret releasing something before it’s up to even your own standard.
thank you anon, this is a very good critique. I do consider this a sort of practice to see what I'm capable of, still got some ways to go with my art and storytelling, but I figured the best way to learn was to just do it, get some experience and maybe do something better in the future, I'm always looking to improve.
This looks really intriguing, but is the poor English intentional?
yes and no, I'm ESL but I'm trying to use it to my advantage.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cheers, just didn’t want you to end up in a situation where you really believe in this idea and then end up realizing it in an incomplete way, or at least a way you aren’t entirely satisfied with it. Nothing wrong with churning thru it a bit and feeling it out as your actual process will always feel different than what you planned out or whatever. Otherwise all id suggest is doing lots of critical analysis and reading about whatever else interests you. But don’t get stuck just analyzing the “mechanics” of somebody’s work, try and distill it into a deeper level of understanding, you don’t want to study the nuts and bolts of a decision the artist simply dashed off in a minute or two, from raw impulse. You won’t always know everything about the rhyme and reason of somebody’s style, but most creative types are more interested in communicating ideas than concealing them, so you can get pretty close to understanding the “why”. People always complain that if you study your influences too much, they’ll start becoming a bit “over-represented” in your work, but the more “influences” you study and understand, the more dilute each individual influence will factor into your art, and ultimately that’ll emerge as its own style.
I had planned on doing a series of Elden Ring character paintings, but other things got in the way. I still want to do it though, but also when I started on this guy I kind of just got lost in the detail on his armor. Which is dumb because I then have to go back and paint over all of it, but whatever.
I still want to do a series of Elden Ring & Dark Souls character illustrations though, I just have so little free time at the moment.
>Your critique would go a longer way if you posted your own art
No, it would not. That isn't how criticism works.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>didn't post his work
I accept your concession
2 years ago
Anonymous
1. I already did.
2. That's not how criticism works.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>...to show as an example and to back up your claims.
Yes, it is. Lol
2 years ago
Anonymous
It is if you want people to take what you say seriously, that's why shows like Ink Master have judges like Josh Peck and Chris Nunez who've been doing it for years and know what they're talking about. Why should anyone listen to some random joe schmoe on the street who doesn't have the credentials?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Why should anyone listen to some random joe schmoe on the street who doesn't have the credentials?
If you make a mistake on a math problem, and someone points it out to you, you can't say "No, I'm right because I have a math degree and you don't." 2 plus 2 doesn't equal 5, even if the person point it has never studied advanced calculus.
Things are wrong because they're wrong, not because the person saying they're wrong has the appropriate credentials.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's a terrible analogy because everyone is still going to listen to the guy with the Math degree over the guy who doesn't.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>anon doubles down
Youre never going to make it if you can’t accept criticism, working in art is all critique and chains of command.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Right, that's why the anon critiqueing is scared to post his own art as an example.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Im not “posting my work” because I don’t do the visual art myself, I do art direction, storyboarding, writing, audio, but I have an animation director I put together the style references with and hire inbetweeners/illustrators as needed. You’re just bitter over some harmless criticism, it doesn’t reflect well, anon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because you have no work to begin with.
The other anon
Criticism is different from just talking shit. If you cannot point on what would've worked better or how to improve it, you're basically just posting an opinion saying "I dont like it". That might fly if you're a renowned critic who has already proven he is competent and has a long track record where he fleshes out these preferences more thoroughly, but not as random anon.
This is made worse by the fact that you use incorrect terms, betraying the fact that you're just an overly self-important newbie thinking his opinion is correct just because he has one. No one says perspective is "flat", since there's no curved perspective unless you go for a fisheye perspective, and you surely dont think fisheye perspective to be cornerstore of good art. Furthermore, art is about aesthetics, not using the most difficult method available. Sometimes simple solutions are best, yet you seem to use his choice of perspective as an insult.
Go eat a dick, you vapid-headed poser.
is 100% right, you are just a poser.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ok anon, you don’t have to believe me, but you do need to fix your work ethic and fix your lighting if you want a job.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That work isn't mine and of course if you want to critique someone like an art teacher, next time have some art actually with you instead of using every excuse in the book like how you're the "ideas" guy for all the nonsense you came up with on the last post about being in writing,audio, storyboarding, etc.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>next time have some art actually with you
Kek my advice is sound, you’ll simply have to accept it. If you post more of your work I can tell you what you did wrong there too. We do that enough times and I’ll have established the same credibility as posting something I drew myself.
2 years ago
Anonymous
And like I stated before, no one is going to take some rando who thinks they know better seriously. What's so hard about posting even one piece of your work? If it looks good, we'll take you seriously but you're terrified to even do that and I already know the reason.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You’ll have to improve your skills to get a job anon.
not anyone in that chain but crit this before the thread dies please
it's a one hour thing from a few months back but I kinda like it
It looks like a study of a penis holding a knife anon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
not anyone in that chain but crit this before the thread dies please
it's a one hour thing from a few months back but I kinda like it
2 years ago
Anonymous
didn't realise I saved the ant version
oh well
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't know what this is going for but...more clear separation of values? Also decide where the focus of your composition is and what you're doing to push the viewer towards it.
Right now, the red light would be the focus but it pulls away from the "heads" of the two shadow-figures which ostensibly are also important. But it's hard to read what they are or why they're there. So I'd say work on stronger composition and stronger value range.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm still waiting on that art, Julio. I'll even post my own work so we can critique each other.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You’re not even keeping track of the right anon lmao
2 years ago
Anonymous
Can you blame me? You both sound like homosexuals who just read their first art book a month ago and are too scared to show examples of their own work.
2 years ago
Anonymous
And you sound like a jealous nobody, the kind of person fixated on their own ideas of success but unable to do anything to achieve them. I’m getting a kick out of it but I’m not sure why you keep replying
2 years ago
Anonymous
Me asking you to post an example of you as an artist makes me a jealous nobody? Sure, keep backpedaling instead of trying to prove me wrong by showing me a banger but you won't because you have nothing to show in the first place, am I right?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, it does. Lmao
2 years ago
Anonymous
How would I be jealous since you posted absolutely nothing to be jealous about?
2 years ago
Anonymous
How am I supposed to know why you do the things you do anon?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Next you're going to tell people how to drive when you've never been on the wheel in your life, stay on the side lines just like the drunk Dad at the kid's baseball game, you worthless homosexual.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>been on the wheel
Lmao how’s life in the third world?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why don't you post your own art tho?
2 years ago
Anonymous
You know what they say about pearls before swing :^)
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lmao swine*, looks like I was the third world moron that post
2 years ago
Anonymous
You already know the reason, he has no work to begin with and now he's pretending to be moronic in order to chicken out some more.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Pretty pathetic
2 years ago
Anonymous
Pretty pathetic
If you want somebody like me to hire you one day anon, you’ll have to improve your skills.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You both sound like homosexuals who just read their first art book a month
I'm literally a professional illustrator and my work is already in this thread.
2 years ago
Anonymous
yeah I wanted the light and knife that the left not benis figure is holding to be the focus as a mirror/shadow monster kind of thing with the rest kind of vague but I derped it, could probably have comped it better
2 years ago
Anonymous
I HATE MATH
I WILL KILL THE MATHMAN TO DEATH
TO HELL WITH YOU AND YOUR GARBAGE SUBJECT!
2 years ago
Anonymous
Be a-feared not my childabeest, man-math means no harm to you!
2 years ago
Anonymous
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAyou didn't draw that did you
2 years ago
Anonymous
I drew the outline, my buddy filled in the numbers because I'm incompetent. He's my OC though.
Man Math! He was ordinary math until he was bitten by a radioactive my grandfather. Now he lives above a mom-and-pop business and helps people with mundane math problems.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not all the time and especially not lately. "Experts" and these pieces of paper dont mean shit. There are objecrive truths (2+2=4) and we can know them without le epic college mans.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>because everyone is still going to listen to the guy with the Math degree over the guy who doesn't.
Unless he's saying that 2 + 2 = 5, and you just need to trust him because he has the math degree. He would still be objectively wrong, and no amount of diplomas is going to change that.
If he tells you "I don't need to listen to you because I have a math degree and you don't", he would be both wrong AND a douche bag.
2 years ago
Anonymous
An even worse analogy, he wouldn't have a diploma in the first place if he was saying 2+2=5.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>"Experts" never say incorrect things, or defend bad work they've done
...homie do you even know any people? Have you ever read, like, anything? Ever?
2 years ago
Anonymous
a person with a degree is still human and can make mistakes, screaming about your degree makes you look ridiculous if you made a blatant and obvious mistake even the most uneducated layman can point out
2 years ago
Anonymous
i don't need to be a world-renowned engineer to tell you the square wheels you installed on my car are fricking moronic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Criticism is different from just talking shit. If you cannot point on what would've worked better or how to improve it, you're basically just posting an opinion saying "I dont like it". That might fly if you're a renowned critic who has already proven he is competent and has a long track record where he fleshes out these preferences more thoroughly, but not as random anon.
This is made worse by the fact that you use incorrect terms, betraying the fact that you're just an overly self-important newbie thinking his opinion is correct just because he has one. No one says perspective is "flat", since there's no curved perspective unless you go for a fisheye perspective, and you surely dont think fisheye perspective to be cornerstore of good art. Furthermore, art is about aesthetics, not using the most difficult method available. Sometimes simple solutions are best, yet you seem to use his choice of perspective as an insult.
Go eat a dick, you vapid-headed poser.
I'm not sure the anatomy here holds up, and the composition is way cramped. I don't know why you'd push the figure so far to the left of the page if you've got a shitload of space on the right that's not doing anything, and the result is that instead of feeling like its' showing movement in that direction, it feels like she's walking into a wall. I think if you shifted the whole figure to the right and allowed yourself more of that background on the left it would flow better.
Also, I feel like just as a painting note you might be overselling the light cast by that candle. Especially considering as it sits, it's theoretically in front of and to the right of her giant breasts, which means the entire side of her that is facing the camera should probably be in shadow due to them obstructing the light from the candle. The same with her dress, I have no idea why her dress isn't casting any sort of shadow on her legs at all despite it obscuring the path of the light.
I think you would have more success with your overall compositions if you had a clearer separation between the background values and the figure. Overall I think your edges are too rough and undefined and they end up blurring with the similar values on the background and the result is that only the extreme highlights read.
Personally I like to use a separate color palette for backgrounds and then cross between them where it becomes necessary.
So the thing here, as you'll notice, is that the background in the center of the piece has a light blue color (in landscape painting, this is called atmospheric fog or washing, because things get more washed-out and pale as they get farther away due to the amount of air between you and them), and the majority of the figure is a darker shade, so it is silhouetted very solidly. And the areas where you have the "white" which is close to that background blue, there's dark edging to create that separation.
These are the things you want to observe if you're going to study.
Thanks anon, very helpful. Also do you think the piece was done from a greyscale or the guy used color from the start? I started with a greyscale and then added the color
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Also do you think the piece was done from a greyscale or the guy used color from the start?
Probably not the final piece.
I went looking, and the Artstation page for the piece is here: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/nYzr3r
Without seeing a process shot, I can't tell you if it was specifically done in greyscale and then colored after, but I tend to doubt it. Obviously you can see some of the thumbnail/value studies done beforehand in the page there, but I would guess the actual picture was painted normally.
I've been working on it on the side if you're referring to foreshortened angles. Just isn't stuff I'm comfortable posting until I'm further along in the studies. Nor do I trust the janitors here to not ban me over nude figure studies
>concept artist career meme
don't fall for it
you will fall for it anyways and will fail like me
then you will tell others to not fall for it knowing very well they will fail for it anyways
Will learning art reduce my ability to appreciate it? Sometimes I see a picture and I think, neat art, and then I read other comments online and they say things like how the artist is an idiot who doesn't understand anatomy or how shadows don't work that way. I like looking at pictures and I don't want to ruin my ability to enjoy it by learning to notice bad details that I couldn't see before.
No but as you progress you will alternate between being really satisfied with what you draw and being frustrated about it not being enough. You sorta train your art appreciation skill together with your drawing skill. There's a diagram of it floating around /ic/ sometimes
I've become more able to identify derpy faces but overall I just love seeing other people show their appreciation for the things they love. For example, I love this guy's art even though it looks a little derpy from time to time. Even then, I can feel the passion and can see some things that I want to emulate or try out in my own art, such as improving body definition and he colors.
I copied this from a real image, no clue what I'm doing, just picked 5 values and blur mashed them together. I'll probably either need to blur smarter or add another layer with lines without any blur (probably both). drawing is tricky
If you want to learn to render, do NOT stop by blending a handful of values together. Pick 2 values, average light and average shadow, then use a solid brush to create shapes you use to describe the forms of the body. I'm talking make it look like some fricking low poly style shit. Use big shapes initially, like 3-4 to just get the general idea of what the form looks like, and zoom out and flip the canvas to see if it's readable or not, then slowly start adding smaller and smaller render shapes to get finer details. Remember that rendering is primarily describing shapes, so blending the values together is almost completely unnecessary in understanding how to do it initially, but once you figure out good shapes you can then take a basic blender brush and blend the edges of your shapes together and you'll see just how good it looks. Good luck
I dont think it considers kids its target audience. Not saying it's anything too mature but it's like giving a high school level school book to elementary school student. If the kid has good vognition and pasdion, they might actually benefit from it. Itherwise might wanna get something that's more aimed to kids
1. I'll throw in the towel when the AI can draw Goku fisting Vegeta while Frieza jacks off in the corner.
2. Even if there was a tool for this to generate images, the sheer amount of surveillance you'd be going through would make it impossible to safely generate anything but the safest, most cookie cutter garbage possible.
Not scared at all.
The dalle-2 devs have stated that "hate speech" as well as "pornography" are not allowed, in their TOS. So artists like Stonetoss or nsfw artists, are extremely safe.
>we pussied out and probably provide expertise/tooling for feds
Just fricking release it opensource MIT license no holds barred. Let me watch the world burn.
Is the robot going to to come to my house, and cut off my hands, preventing me from being able to draw, no? Then I don't care, for the same reason Usain Bolt probably doesn't care that a Ford Mustang can drive 10 times faster than he can run.
That's shit analogy though, Usain Bolt is about human performance while the Ford Mustang is about going from A to B, you don't call Usain Bolt so he can strap you on his back and then run to where you work at. Art isn't about human performance, it's just a guy moving a pencil with his hands, what people are interested at is the final result, the art itself, so if AI can make art as good as other people then it will definitely affect artists.
1000+ hours will take care of a lot of very tedious legwork you should initially do and will place you onto the skill floor. Then grind goes slightly easier on you, still gonna hurt tho.
some chump just got duped earlier into thinking Dragon's Dogma isn't actually turbo turds. sunk cost fallacy gays came in thinking they were hot shitters for blowing 800+ hours of their worthless lives on that garbage. LMFAO
>take time to draw up a diagram to give lighting advice to someone who asked for it in /ic/ >some moron comes in calling it pathetic and need to practise more, keeps shit talking everyone, refuses to post his own work
Yep, that's/ic/
Not sure why I even bothered, just closed, muted the thread and left
Which one is this, the stupid secret club one where you're stuck in a blank room waiting for the schizo groomer admin to okay you into his drawgay harem?
Just fricking draw what you want. If you don't like the idea of drawing what you want, no amount of motivation going to change that. So your options are a) draw or b) don't draw
>How do I learn to love and do art
No magic answer, you gotta spend time and effort into trying.
But you do gotta answer, why art? do you want to draw something you like/love? do you want to make money and love getting recognized? do you want to pass on something into history, no matter how little? any answer is fine as long as you're honest with these.
>Like I want to learn, but I just have no motivation.
Well, bad news, the first year of art in my opinion is the hardest. Fact, learning anything new is HARD and stressful. Gonna need a lot of motivation my man.
But your source of motivation might be depleted already from daily tasks and work, I really don't have any magic answer aside to give yourself enough time to study art.
For me, drawing became very important to me when I was young, but it crystallized into something I needed as a teenager, and later as a young adult, it turned into my life’s goal to tell a story through my art. You don’t need a backstory as elaborate as that, but what drives me to create is a sense of purpose, that if I were to instill the same passion into someone else with my work, I’d consider myself a success.
You’re making me miss physical media, it’s been too long
someone give me something to draw quickly before I go to sleep, please and thank you.
No, your brain is adapting. Your threshold what you consider good enough usually rises so you need to overcome it by drawing better consistently or accepting it and have confidence to push through anyways
>he’s only been drawing for a year
It’s a lifetime commitment. Drawing isn’t (just) about achieving an end product, it’s self-expression, an endless battle against yourself and your own abilities to convey your ideas and feelings into an image. Look at me, I’ve been doing it for over a decade or so and I’m still shit compared to other people who have been doing it for half as long, but that’s okay, because I still see myself growing and I want to keep going. If you just started out a year ago you’re still just a baby. But if I’m misreading and you’re just stuck, the point still more or less stands.
The enjoyment is also struggling and seeing yourself get better. Like fighting games.
Suffering is mere proof of existence, the conflict is dreadful but I’d be nothing without it
Do you have a goal when it comes to drawing? Do you want to draw people, anime, landscapes, vehicles/mechs? Maybe you're getting bored just drawing boxes in different perspectives
The actual drawgays don't advertise their servers in public but in private messages between artgays. The schizo autist from drawthreads has been making these false servers a lot to try to get into the circles.
>The actual drawgays don't advertise their servers in public but in private messages between artgays.
Art servers are spammed all around all the fricking time in boards like /i/ and /ic/ the frick are you on about schixo
I meant anons who actually draw. We all know /ic/ anons don't draw.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, but those are the shit ones.
>point >counterpoint >"it doesnt count"
frick you homies
2 years ago
Anonymous
If the server you advertise was good, it wouldn't be advertised in Ganker
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's true. I saw a japanese art discord being advertised and they politely turned me down because I didn't have a portfolio on the internet. I thought it was just for learning but seems like it was for professional e-girlcons.
2 years ago
Anonymous
any professional furry servers so i can learn kemono style proper
>That's a fake drawgay server. The homosexual admin is literally just looking for people to groom.
The admin is looking for fem anons to orbit so they make these little communities to bait them in. Once people figure out his con he deletes his account and the server and starts again with a new group, this happens almost monthly. He also does this if he thinks the current group is boring or won't create his ideal orbiting environment. Part of the whole mysterious vetting process and blank page thing is so he can avoid and ban people that learned about his bullshit. I've been in a couple of them, every time it's a brand new account and the admin refuses to post their work.
I want you to know that this request is killing me, I made something, but it doesn't look super cyborgy. I've been wanting to figure out a design for a cool cyborg for like a year, and I can't get one down.
>Implying the process and progression of drawing is even remotely related to math
Left and right brain, Black person
Sure, you can commit anatomy to memory but manipulating it to the point where it resembles an art style is for a very specific subset of people
There's two parts. The mechanical side and the intellectual side. The mechanical side for art would be the control of your arm which is the thing that limits most people before they even get to the intellectual side. Maths mechanical side would be writing shit which is trivial.
Do you know what my favorite thing about the meme 'Learn to draw" threads on Ganker are?
They're filled with hundreds of absolute morons who have for some reason dedicated their lives to drawing the most awful, ridiculous, nonsensical anime fetish art, but with the skill of an autistic school child. Why do you people exist? Why do you not just become normal, functioning people with non-broken brains? It's not hard.
>If you’re on Ganker complaining about people being maladjusted, immature weirdos
You're allowed to be dysfunctional, broken, failed human beings, I'm fine with that.
However, you have a literal obligation to never share anything about yourself with anyone else, and die in a dark room where no one ever has to see you or anything you do.
>true route is maximum difficulty and leads to a bad end >evil route is easy and gets you lots of gold but you need to max the build that makes gay furry fetish porn
this game fricking sucks, it sucking fricks and I don't like it
Just make e-girl porn, anon. It also pays pretty well nowadays if you have a fanbox or something. If you're a really big sick frick, you could also do guro art. Koreans and Chinese LOVE guro.
I dunno, cromachina and mantis-x some other e-girl artists do very well for themselves. Cro has at least 240+ fanbox subscribers according to the number of people on his discord that he only uses for distribution, so that's about 1.2k a month which is pretty decent. Commissions probably add a couple hundred to that, so let's say about 1.5k. Mantix-x makes $5,194 a month so he's a great example of making it.
That's OK anon, you're not a master of anything else. Why would you suddenly let not being a master at drawing stop you from picking it up? Loser mindset. Remove it, even if you don't end up drawing. You're 30, not dead.
>master = be "good" at
Come on. You can always learn stuff and your age is not the problem. Either you were uninterested in everything (so you never picked any skill) and it's an attitude problem, or you picked some and refuse to acknowledge what you're actually capable of. Don't use your age as an excuse.
I doodle, write, and make shit music for fun.
If my primary motivation for all of those would be money, I would most likely hate myself and life in general.
You should do stuff you enjoy. If you don't like drawing at all but think it can only be fun when you are in top 1% of artists, then I am not sure if it is for you.
people want to be able to create things for money because they fricking hate the cancer that is wageslavery and want to be independent.
not saying that doesn't suck the fun out of creating these things for a lot of people but the motives behind the desire are sympathetic.
I've come to think that the argument of "x thing should be fun, you shouldn't bother if it's not fun!" is a terrible piece of advice because every skill worth it's weight is a fricking pain in the ass at the beginning (just like everything else really) but often times we forget how dreadful it was to draw/create something when we first started and realize it doesn't look anywhere close to what we envisioned in our heads, thus leading people to quit altogether because they're not "having fun"
What people need to be told is "hey, your first year or two are gonna be extremely painful. The fun will come once you've developed your sea legs and know how to troubleshoot your own mess/have somebody to guide you along the way"
Granted, it's possible to have fun if you're just a dabbler and don't really care about reaching a high level of proficiency at whatever it is you want to do, but I've seen so many people give up on so many endeavors because they kept chasing that "fun" everyone told them to experience.
https://www.kazoneonline.com/p/figures-in-perspective
Should I buy this?
Is there any other good learning material on drawing figures in perspective?
>Is there any other good learning material on drawing figures in perspective?
Like that anon said, Erik Olson's perspective course is probably your best bet. It feels like a fricking eternity having Erik repeat the same thing over and over "so it's ingrained in your brain" but he doesn't cut any corners on the basics and advanced theories of perspective (like many people tend to do because it's so fricking dry and boring to teach.)
as for drawing figures, there's a reason why a lot of teachers are incredibly autistic on seeing the human body as a lump of geometric shapes, you're just placing people inside boxes, which again, require perspective to get it to read right.
That's pretty much what Kim Jung Gi's course will showcase; "Bro just put figures in little boxes and fill in the rest"
Well, that's why I asked for any other material. There's so much of it floating around and everyone has differing techniques and opinions on what and how to do that it just becomes too overwhelming.
visit /ic/, there's a ton of resources everywhere
Actually a good idea, haven't been there in quite some years. Thanks!
if you don't understand perspective don't jump to "figures in perspective"
the best perspective course out there is Erik Olson's course on NMA. 100 hours of all the perspective you'll need
I've come to think that the argument of "x thing should be fun, you shouldn't bother if it's not fun!" is a terrible piece of advice because every skill worth it's weight is a fricking pain in the ass at the beginning (just like everything else really) but often times we forget how dreadful it was to draw/create something when we first started and realize it doesn't look anywhere close to what we envisioned in our heads, thus leading people to quit altogether because they're not "having fun"
What people need to be told is "hey, your first year or two are gonna be extremely painful. The fun will come once you've developed your sea legs and know how to troubleshoot your own mess/have somebody to guide you along the way"
Granted, it's possible to have fun if you're just a dabbler and don't really care about reaching a high level of proficiency at whatever it is you want to do, but I've seen so many people give up on so many endeavors because they kept chasing that "fun" everyone told them to experience.
[...] >Is there any other good learning material on drawing figures in perspective?
Like that anon said, Erik Olson's perspective course is probably your best bet. It feels like a fricking eternity having Erik repeat the same thing over and over "so it's ingrained in your brain" but he doesn't cut any corners on the basics and advanced theories of perspective (like many people tend to do because it's so fricking dry and boring to teach.)
as for drawing figures, there's a reason why a lot of teachers are incredibly autistic on seeing the human body as a lump of geometric shapes, you're just placing people inside boxes, which again, require perspective to get it to read right.
That's pretty much what Kim Jung Gi's course will showcase; "Bro just put figures in little boxes and fill in the rest"
I've been mostly studying anatomy lately, but I've been jumping with perspective back and forth and thought it'd be a good practice of both anatomy and perspective that way. I can do figure drawing on a blank space, but my brain breaks down when I try and follow a given perspective. Also, thanks for the recommendations.
There's no one correct path. Don't hink about missing on other things just because you picked one thing for now. Nothing preventing you to go for the other stuff too. The point is just consume and apply the different ways and views for you to grow your own tool box for expressing yourself.
if you don't understand perspective don't jump to "figures in perspective"
the best perspective course out there is Erik Olson's course on NMA. 100 hours of all the perspective you'll need
i do love drawing, but it always feels like theres shit stopping me. from work, energy, socialization, etc. even my own elbow has started to hurt, making drawing painful. i just want to make stuff i enjoy, and that other people will enjoy. peopleve told me they like my art, but separating the genuine feedback and the "hes my friend, i should be nice" comments is impossible
I have been drawing my whole life and I learn new techniques every day.
You don't finish learning how to draw, so if you think "I can't learn at 24" then drawing was never for you
It takes at least 10,00 hours. Also what's the deal with the surge in normalgays trying to learn to draw lately? Artists have enough competition as it is, the market is saturated. did everyone start drawing over lockdown?
Even though people say to treat creative pursuits like art and music as a hobby, not a career, I can't help but get the feeling that many people are trying to do this as a career anyway and as a result end up desperately trying to discourage people and eliminate the competition. I've seen some comments that suggest that professional artists are struggling now because there are so many hobbyists nowadays producing high-quality work at cheap prices.
Still a wip, but I’m going to enjoy making this a lot
I, uh, thought that was something else from the thumbnail.
>and as a result end up desperately trying to discourage people and eliminate the competition
You got the first part right but your pea brain hasn’t considered how pointless and arbitrary peoples reasons can be
People who feel like they need to discourage others are already ngmi
Study I finished the other day
Neat!!
2 years ago
Anonymous
Anon, some people just enjoy discouraging people. You have to understand that people don’t lash out just because they feel jealous or inadequate. Some people are just buttholes or get entertainment out of provoking sensitive autists on a Tibetan rat catching forum.
10,000 hours is a meme, most art students make good enough work for an entry job after 1-2 years at a decent art school and beyond good enough there's no actual ceiling (unless your goal is to be equal to one of your art heroes) only your changing tastes and trying new techniques
Art schools dont teach you anything. Believe me I wasted 3 years of my life in one. But youre right 1-2 years of intensive practice could get you to an ok level, through teaching yourself.
You went to a shit art school
See places like fzd where they show their students entry work vs what they drew for their finals
As someone who had to teach themselves I would never ever recommend it compared to someone who knows their stuff helping you slice through the layers of bullshit so you can solve faster
I love how people who are absolutely shit are like "Who cares if I can't even draw a straight line, much less work with form, perspective, value, shape, composition, or structure. My drawings have SOUL."
No homie. Your drawings are garbage because you have no skill and because you think having no skill is a good thing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
More importantly, if you handed either drawing in
Fzd teaches you soulless art
to a 3d modeler there's basically no guesswork, they'd be able to get to work immediately because they're so well defined and grounded in 3d space
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's more that, most people ITT are complete morons who have this meme idea that "soul" is something that comes from a lack of training and just doing what feels natural. It's not, that's a meme. You've bought into a meme and a joke. You have become a shitpost.
The reason foundations of concept art and whatnot stress perspective and structure and clean lines, is not because "lol soulless generic art lol", it's because once you understand that shit, THEN you can go back and add your own whatever to it. Mess with the perspective, play with the construction, experiment with composition, etc. And it will work, because it will be grounded in those real actual rules of space and form.
If you don't know those things, then you can't fake them because it will always look wrong and shit. That's not "soul", that's laziness.
NTA but Fheng's school is more like an intensive 2 - 4 year bootcamp where you can't do shit but draw 24/7 (I've heard the majority of the students spend 16 hours between classes + drawing), something that not a lot of people have the stamina/willpower to soldier through. Granted the advantage a lot of people obtain through FZD is that they're trained to the rigors of the entertainment industry where people have to take a lot of shortcuts to get their pieces done (i.e. photo bashing, using 3D models as base templates/draw on top etc.)
Besides, it's important to take into account he'd demonstrate the best pieces from his top 1% students to put his school on a pedestal (and rightfully so, nobody wants to showcase garbage and ruin their own reputation.)
I'm not trying to shit on his school or anything, it's a great place to study at but I don't think 4 years are enough to get somebody who can barely hold a pencil to "industry standard". There's some truth to what Jeff Watts says on the fact that you can't just "take head/figure drawing once or twice and say you fully dominate it, you might need to take it 5 - 10 times until you can't get it wrong."
Is it wrong to start learning how to draw digitally?
My uneducated ass feels like it'd be easier to buy a tablet than say learning traditionally through buying paper and pencils.
no, there are a lot of advantages that digital has to offer (no need to spend money on paintings, brushes, charcoal, etc), layers, being able to put a piece of reference side to side, etc. There are some things that are not "fully" translated from traditional media but like the other anons have said, it's simply a tool. What matters is how you problem solve things.
Last I checked it was 1 year and everything after that was totally optional
You'd be amazed at what you have the willpower and stamina to do when surrounded by people sitting right next to you grinding like that, especially if you're student age.
Academic artist types are autists and don't teach you the skills to get and then hold down an art job, they're the type of people to get you trapped in box hell studying stuff that you hate.
You don't need to know every single bone in the head, your director literally doesn't care as long as he can tell what's what and the overall thing looks good.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Academic artist types are autists and don't teach you the skills to get and then hold down an art job, they're the type of people to get you trapped in box hell studying stuff that you hate.
You don't need to know every single bone in the head, your director literally doesn't care as long as he can tell what's what and the overall thing looks good.
Anon, academic art isn't just "let's draw the whole skeleton and commit to memory every single muscle insertion", what you're meant to get out of this kind of rigorous training is how to draw and render, just because Jeff is that autistic it doesn't mean you have to do the same. Academic stuff is meant to teach you how to render properly, even if you were to ignore it altogether, you'd have to do autistic studies like those to assimilate the knowledge and THEN bend it for your own personal needs.
I don't know what you meant by "box hell" (probably drawabox? or being trapped?) but all of this lies in the eye of the beholder. Maybe you hate doing skull studies and see no benefit in doing so, but I'd call the skull structure important as the knowledge allows you to draw and exaggerate features from imagination.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're trapped in the /ic/ improvooor mentality
Outside of some absurd edge case you're not being hired to draw the ultimate perfect skull, you're being hired to either rapid fire ideas to a team to build from them, or you're making badass pictures to sell product.
Good enough is a thing, focus on the shit that matters not anatomy autism unless anatomy autism is your reason for drawing
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don’t even understand your angle ITT, aside from just having a boner for giving people unsolicited advice.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What do you mean, read the reply chain, guy is saying taking heads 101 multiple times is a good use of your time in the context of getting trained for art jobs
You only have to be 'good enough'
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah if you want to be a useless body doing a job anybody could do lol
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lol OK, let's see how your job application and portfolio review go if "anyone can do it"
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You're trapped in the /ic/ improvooor mentality
Dude how is that a bad thing. Art is a lifetime commitment, ask any professional worth it's salt and they're gonna tell you they're always learning/trying out new stuff to produce new ideas. Also, /ic/ doesn't even care about improvement, they're all crabs who shit on newbies who don't know any better/demonstrate potential and are quickly dragged through the mud because they're not putting in the work and would rather b***h and moan about innate shit just to make themselves feel good.
Get a grip ESL brother. If academic art is just "anatomy central" to you, then that goes on to demonstrate how little you know about this field.
i had an epiphany a couple of years back and realized videogames alone weren't cutting it for me anymore so i started doing something actually creative (and different from the field i work in to avoid burnout) instead >competition >market
i'm doing this for myself and for fun, i don't ever plan on taking commissions. maybe i'll make some shit for friends but that's it
Is it wrong to start learning how to draw digitally?
My uneducated ass feels like it'd be easier to buy a tablet than say learning traditionally through buying paper and pencils.
Yes that's very wrong. You must start on canvas with charcoal that you made yourself from burning wood, you should also learn to stretch your own canvases otherwise youll never be a real artist.
Not at all. Digital is much faster than traditional and more you get to draw, more you get practice. Plus digital has layers, oapcity config and so on so you can manipulate your pic easier. Plus ctr+z is a godsent compared to traditional eraser
digital art is completely different from traditional because of the physical disconnect. You will need to completely readjust your mindset.
There is no difference. I know great artists who learned digitally and make incredible traditional stuff. You are just learning to move your pen after all whether thats on a screen or paper makes no difference at all. The only disconnect you might have is if you use a screenless graphics tablet, that takes some getting used to. Better to use a cintiq, chinese knockoff cintiq or iPad where you can draw directly on the screen.
Is cheaper to go an buy some pencils and paper than a drawing-table.
Guess I should have mentioned I was thinking about buying a cheapo display-less tablet, since the ones with displays are super expensive.
I wonder if learning how to draw with one of those would be bad somehow.
I was just talking from a money perspective. The quality table ones are around 50/60€. Pencils, erasers and a bunch of paper can be around 10€.
When you git good get a tablet.
draw on whatever will make you want to draw but...
digital art is harder to start with because you have to worry about >learning to control your hands >learning to control your drawing programs and the various brushes >learning to control your tablet settings even
starting with pencil all you need to worry about is learning to control your hand
Depends on the person, I've always done traditional and even I felt Doodle or Die's paint scheme was easier just because of the undo whereas with pencils you have to make sure you don't press too hard or it will unerasable and you can forget about erasing with ink or paint, no frick ups allowed.
thats exactly why you need to learn to draw with pencil before digital
undo is a trap
learning to be confident and delicate with your pencil gives you a lot more freedom than any undo button could
If you fixate on the quality of your work instead of problem solving why you think it looks bad and trying to fix that on the next thing you draw you'll always be sad
>some people are just born with an ability to draw picture perfect representations of anything they saw for a millisecond in their life or didn't even witness
Just spend half of your life mastering something others got for free. Sounds fair.
Please don't moot this thread mods. You always fricking do. Some of us are just too shy to post on /ic/ and the art I see here is pretty good. So let this one slide. Focus on those stealth porn threads instead ok
How do you guys manage switching over to a new softwares? I’ve been using this shitty ass software ever since I was a kid And it’s really hard getting used to better tools
Is there an agreed upon best software to use, or is it really just "find the one that works for you?"
I heard paint tool SAI and Krita are pretty good. Trying to find "the one" sounds like a huge pain though
Its more of a "you adapt to the tool, not the tool adapts to you" thing. Every software has it's own strengths and weaknesses, can't tell about Krita but Sai is easy to learn with a great tool for blending and has a vectored lining if you're into that.
Weird question but it relates to the commission I'm doing and it seems like my commissioner is asleep or something so can't ask him currently and I'm not a native English speaker so I'm not sure myself.
Does "Night Maiden" kinda sound like something you'd call a prostitute?
It's Elden Ring related and there's a spell called "Night Maiden's Mist" so I wanted to play on that since I have to make up names for TF spells.
Kinda, Like the joke is Lady of the Night. I don't know dick about Elden Ring so could you break form and call Maiden of the Night or do they have to be X Maiden?
I'm not sure the anatomy here holds up, and the composition is way cramped. I don't know why you'd push the figure so far to the left of the page if you've got a shitload of space on the right that's not doing anything, and the result is that instead of feeling like its' showing movement in that direction, it feels like she's walking into a wall. I think if you shifted the whole figure to the right and allowed yourself more of that background on the left it would flow better.
Also, I feel like just as a painting note you might be overselling the light cast by that candle. Especially considering as it sits, it's theoretically in front of and to the right of her giant breasts, which means the entire side of her that is facing the camera should probably be in shadow due to them obstructing the light from the candle. The same with her dress, I have no idea why her dress isn't casting any sort of shadow on her legs at all despite it obscuring the path of the light.
No because of restrictions and inability to do specific things that don't already exist.
All the training in the world won't help it if it's prevented from doing anything "harmful" or inappropriate, and it only recycles existing images in its database without actually making new information.
of course not.
AI is a novelty
people do art because its something they could only make, no one with a creative bone could be satisfied with an AI
the entertainment industry doesn't need AI because the art a company needs for usable art is far to specific for any AI to really understand.
Maybe it could replace graphic designers
But only if your goal is to pump out as much crap as possible like an NFT goon could AI replace an artist
>claims to teach drawing
>cover art looks dreadful
loomis was god tier draftsman and his techniques stand the test of time
he just drew idealized tradgay nuclear family shit and crusty old men
>crusty old men
Ah, just what I aspire to draw one day.
one of those things where it's like, if you can draw crusty old men well, then you can probably draw anything else
its meant to teach you fundamentals
Eat shit
>talking shit about the loomis man
Tell me about the Loomis, why does he world the pencil?
Imagine filtering yourself from knowledge because you hate the presentation.
Was that the joke?
>game gatekeeps the frick out of casuals and makes them seethe online
Based
Hey
let's draw right now
>It gets better
It does but you never enjoy it
>Player picks up different game and gets gratification instantly and even more the more they keep playing
It's that easy
If you don't like drawing, you probably shouldn't draw...
Rather, if you can't find fun in drawing before you're as good as fricking Kim Jung Gi then you never will find it fun even then.
Trust me, you don't want to draw for a living if you don't like doing it like me
Ganker got me with this shit with Xenoblade 2.
No, the story suddenly picking up at the start of the last 3/4ths of the game doesn't make it good. Especially since it goes to shit again.
>good imagination
>can imagine any picture I want
>saved me thousands of hours
The drawer fears the imaginer.
How do you share the pictures you imagine?
telepathy
>sharing things you create
What are you, a cuck?
I love creating things for myself, but it's a wonderful feeling knowing other people feel the same way about the things I like because of my ideas.
>cuck
Yikes, no one uses that word anymore boomer.
The enjoyment is also struggling and seeing yourself get better. Like fighting games.
It tickles my autism
>draw something, throw it in a drawer
>look at it sometime later to critique or improve
>fightan
>save replays of every game, loss or win
>watch them again and note how I'm fricking up or being stupid
the fg/drawing autism venn diagram is a single circle.
Fg girls only make it worse
i like drawing and fighting games but both are soul crushing sometimes
You know the drill, post your work anons
Pic related. It's newborncon porn. https://files.catbox.moe/qxkoyv.png
I'm making a stick figures rpg. Here's the intro for it
Looks potentially kino, especially if you can keep the humor up.
Good luck anon!
>he started a new thing again
gnollanon..
Keep me posted, somehow. Shill everywhere.
Will Grub go full MGTOW?
Is Grub's name a reference to the GRUB bootloader?
I like the art. I find it silly and fun. I'd be surprised if you don't fap to furry art. I also like the tribal music and typing sfx. Keep up the good work anon.
I relate to grub
Wow, gnoll quest combined with lioncat quest. I want to see this.
made this goofy gooner recently
my artstyle STINKS
idk if its the wheel but shes growing on me
good god forgive me i haven’t been drawing
I'm having Yotsuba's neighbor sisters and their mom going at it. Also got commissioned to draw Tifa piledriving Elena, which is nice since my fav artist made the match up very iconic in the genre.
I still need to finish the second half.
>Women
That's not Excellente.
I imagine that they're washing him and not being forced to wash him. He is a superhero - and a hobo and a hobo like him do need some R&R..
I haven't drawn in like 2 weeks. I'll draw something new tomorrow
I can't it's porn
Catbox or imgur it
I don't think you understand
Likewise, punk.
I am not responsible for anything that may happen when you click it.
you were warned
https://litter.catbox.moe/wqsab9.png
nice cavern. did you do a prior pic of this?
its my first attempt with no references
i see. you have a knack for monster i'll give you that
all around collecting coins?
trying to save the princess
to save the day?
What exactly is that?
a monster that is a mutated human
https://litter.catbox.moe/gd5ci4.png
Is it bad I kind of like it
Link's dead.
You don't want to see it.
what was the link?
repost it homosexual I want to see it
I have no fear
that's what they all say
Reuploaded because I didn't expect anyone to actually want to see it again.
https://litter.catbox.moe/2m7xx0.png
if it weren't for the wiener I'm a huge fan of hyper anus
Well you're the first I've met
i stare at the abyss, and it stares back
ehh too tame.
link's dead boooo
it's not meant for mortal eyes
My body can take it.
is garyc an artform
it is the opposite of art
It is when you're good at it but you're not
It could, but really, I don't see it other than some form of communication.
Not exactly art, but can be art if you're willing to put some basic art fundies.
which game she from oldchum?
my life is a videogame
a doodle page from when I was stuck at the airport a week or so ago
I looked around for a while but I didn’t stay for long. Maybe illustrating/painting like a classical master is beyond my reach but my fulfillment in life isn’t tied to grinding /ic/
can't share the most recent things + the last thread we had I put the most recent vidya, so here's the second most recent vidya I can share
version with text, because I'm a moron and uploaded the one without the text on it
i'm having serious art block....
Is there anywhere one could play this?
sorry to, like, ruin the magic here but it's a mock up, I animated it all, none of it is in an engine.
awwww
Gutsybird is a pedo
Did this last night.
I trust there will be pink farts
meh
Just an idea for an instant loss.
uooohhh
very cute
i don't draw very often anymore.
Looks cute, anon!
This is my concept for a animated show, about various cartoons living in a world with real people and toons like Who Framed Roger Rabbit. She is a delinquent who wants to become a actress in a cartoon version of Hollywood.
Made this as a birthday present for a friend a while back
Nice.
colored my lovely goblina
Check out my kooky-ass old man scribbles.
Here last thing i drew
I just love bunny girls
https://files.catbox.moe/liyciz.png
Do I have potential?
I still draw like you and I've been drawing since like 2014
it's cirno
I've not had an ounce of energy to do anything.
Cute and soulful
This is my unironic best attempt at drawing a stick figure.
be real with me anons, is there any hope?
Why do so many people think it's impossible to just put ideas down onto paper/pixels?
It can't start without you just being willing to put in the effort.
Working on this atm
And got this done few days ago.
So here's the thing: I'm gonna preface this by saying I am 100% certain you will dismiss any comment or criticism with "Well I just do it for fun and it's my style and shut up." So a pre-emptive frick you for that.
Now; If you're going to try and make big pictures full of detail, you still have to actually apply basic principles of composition and construction because what you have no is a jumbled mass of unfocused nonsense. There's no focal point, there's no drawing the viewer through the image, there's no heriarchy of forms. you just have big empty spaces punctuated by these smatterings of fine details that are basically unreadable and the result is that everything gets lost in the shuffle.
If you're going to try and work like this, you still need to respect the foundations of structure in order to make your images not an unreadable mess.
Not that anon but I'm interested in drawing big illustrations like these, but I have no idea the usual workflow for said pieces. Also too much details going on usually confuses the hell out of me, how do I solve that?
I mean, I can't tell you specifically how someone like Sean works. I know the guy, I like his art, but I don't know his workflow and even if I did I wouldn't be able to recreate it. But if I had to make a guess or at least provide what advice I can I would say that the same rules apply as any sort of illustration work; you work from big to small. You start by establishing the basic building blocks of the composition and idenfity where you want to draw the viewer's eye, and then you identify how you're going to do that.
If you look at Sean's work specifically, you'll notice he actually sort of works backwards from most artists . Whereas generally you focus your density of detail on the place you want the viewer to look and the rest of the image can have less, he tends to use bright highlights to wash out and soften the detail in the areas of main focus, and then use details to "darken" and clutter the areas that don't draw your eye.
How do do that? Just work slowly, methodically. Lay out a thing, and draw until it is full, and then move on to the next thing. It's not really a process you can teach, you just have to feel your way through it.
You mean the washed out backgrounds around the aliens near the food stalls? Also seems like a frick ton of autism involved in for the detailing, guess you really need to train yourself for this shit.
I'm pretty much just figuring out shit as I go. I haven't drawn scenery pictures that much beforehand.
>there's no focal point, there's no drawing the viewer through the image, there's no heriarchy of forms
I got no clue wtf you are talking about with these.
spoiler: hes pretty much crabbing the frick out of you
I'm not sure what that means either.
The focal point is where the drawing pushes the viewer to look via the movement and direction of everything else. When you're doing landscapes, you generally define this with contrast. It defines the painting is built and what you're communicating to the viewer is important.
We can't make drawings where everything is at the same level of dense detail because it gets crowded, muddy, and confusing. The viewer has no idea where to look and they get lost and bored trying to figure it out.
Next time you want to do a big scene, try just blocking shit out in big chunky greyscale shapes first, establish a bright value and a dark value and then fill in chunks of grey between those two to build your landscape. Use your bright values to focus the viewer onto the most important part or provide contrast so the cool stuff stands out more instead of being lost in a sea of monotone grey.
And stop making excuses.
Excuses?
I drew this rooster
nice wiener bro
>says post your work
>without posting his work
He posted his work. That’s his Luigi.
gonna try to make a comic and actually finish it
I'm actually really interested by this.
Where can I see the rest?
>https://www.instagram.com/fearofpaper/
I've just started so you might want to wait for a few pages to drop, once I've made a few more pages I'll make sure to set up a proper website and link it from my insta.
I fricking hate instagram but that's some great stuff anon.
Anon, you need to massage these visual ideas until they’re less derivative, it comes off like you’re going for a style you don’t understand or haven’t synthesized entirely. What you have here isn’t irredeemable but you’ll be better off long term by treating this as planning or piloting or something like that, and refining the visuals towards something more original. Use symbols that are meaningful to you, not symbols you see other people use. Or if you’re going to borrow at least improve/hone some of the details as you translate the idea into your work. Don’t get discouraged by this post, you have an idea you’re putting some sort of meaningful effort into. Just figured you don’t want to regret releasing something before it’s up to even your own standard.
thank you anon, this is a very good critique. I do consider this a sort of practice to see what I'm capable of, still got some ways to go with my art and storytelling, but I figured the best way to learn was to just do it, get some experience and maybe do something better in the future, I'm always looking to improve.
yes and no, I'm ESL but I'm trying to use it to my advantage.
Cheers, just didn’t want you to end up in a situation where you really believe in this idea and then end up realizing it in an incomplete way, or at least a way you aren’t entirely satisfied with it. Nothing wrong with churning thru it a bit and feeling it out as your actual process will always feel different than what you planned out or whatever. Otherwise all id suggest is doing lots of critical analysis and reading about whatever else interests you. But don’t get stuck just analyzing the “mechanics” of somebody’s work, try and distill it into a deeper level of understanding, you don’t want to study the nuts and bolts of a decision the artist simply dashed off in a minute or two, from raw impulse. You won’t always know everything about the rhyme and reason of somebody’s style, but most creative types are more interested in communicating ideas than concealing them, so you can get pretty close to understanding the “why”. People always complain that if you study your influences too much, they’ll start becoming a bit “over-represented” in your work, but the more “influences” you study and understand, the more dilute each individual influence will factor into your art, and ultimately that’ll emerge as its own style.
This looks really intriguing, but is the poor English intentional?
idk i think it's charming, kinda fits with the strange mood of his comic.
holy fricking soul
thanks
I'll fix it, no problem
I know its super minor, but I also say i'ts instead of it's
I've been having different bouts of copium and enlightenment but my hand kept moving on its own the whole time.
Nice
holy frick those faces are awful
yeah
Go frick yourself.
He's not wrong. You're not constructing. Also, I would suggest you stop pillow-shading and actually commit to some real lighting.
I dunno who
that larping homosexual is I posted the art and yeah I agree the faces frickin suck and yeah I'm working on lighting and values.
homie you posted your work in a /beg/ thread that's on Ganker for some reason
Arisu…
Back before CSP decided to update and frick up my pixel brush. Why does brush DRM exist bros?
I had planned on doing a series of Elden Ring character paintings, but other things got in the way. I still want to do it though, but also when I started on this guy I kind of just got lost in the detail on his armor. Which is dumb because I then have to go back and paint over all of it, but whatever.
I still want to do a series of Elden Ring & Dark Souls character illustrations though, I just have so little free time at the moment.
Goddamn.
Now show the porn.
I don't do porn. I have no interest in it.
HOWEVER, just for you, I am working on a painting that no one has seen because I literally just put flat colors under the sketch a few minutes ago.
So yeah. This is what the first 20 minutes of a painting looks like.
>20 minutes
damn
in real life these are smaller than a thumbprint
I can't really draw, but I paint and I like doing small ones because they're fast.
i dont want to get banned
all i draw is ryona
based
i got bored of drawing porn so now i’m dipping into drawing guro with no outlet to share it since my friends would probably be appalled
I like guro and ryona, please catbox
i can’t im phoneposting in bed, my brother
🙁
maybe next thread
maybe! hopefully i’ll be less shy and a little bit better at the whole thing…
Still a wip, but I’m going to enjoy making this a lot
Wew, nice
okay yes this is erotic as hell but your background and lightings is extremely cum
It’s a lazy flat perspective, one of the easiest things to light. Anon did an ok job but that’s it.
woah jealous much
Your critique would go a longer way if you posted your own art to show as an example and to back up your claims.
>Your critique would go a longer way if you posted your own art
No, it would not. That isn't how criticism works.
>didn't post his work
I accept your concession
1. I already did.
2. That's not how criticism works.
>...to show as an example and to back up your claims.
Yes, it is. Lol
It is if you want people to take what you say seriously, that's why shows like Ink Master have judges like Josh Peck and Chris Nunez who've been doing it for years and know what they're talking about. Why should anyone listen to some random joe schmoe on the street who doesn't have the credentials?
>Why should anyone listen to some random joe schmoe on the street who doesn't have the credentials?
If you make a mistake on a math problem, and someone points it out to you, you can't say "No, I'm right because I have a math degree and you don't." 2 plus 2 doesn't equal 5, even if the person point it has never studied advanced calculus.
Things are wrong because they're wrong, not because the person saying they're wrong has the appropriate credentials.
That's a terrible analogy because everyone is still going to listen to the guy with the Math degree over the guy who doesn't.
>anon doubles down
Youre never going to make it if you can’t accept criticism, working in art is all critique and chains of command.
Right, that's why the anon critiqueing is scared to post his own art as an example.
Im not “posting my work” because I don’t do the visual art myself, I do art direction, storyboarding, writing, audio, but I have an animation director I put together the style references with and hire inbetweeners/illustrators as needed. You’re just bitter over some harmless criticism, it doesn’t reflect well, anon.
Because you have no work to begin with.
The other anon
is 100% right, you are just a poser.
Ok anon, you don’t have to believe me, but you do need to fix your work ethic and fix your lighting if you want a job.
That work isn't mine and of course if you want to critique someone like an art teacher, next time have some art actually with you instead of using every excuse in the book like how you're the "ideas" guy for all the nonsense you came up with on the last post about being in writing,audio, storyboarding, etc.
>next time have some art actually with you
Kek my advice is sound, you’ll simply have to accept it. If you post more of your work I can tell you what you did wrong there too. We do that enough times and I’ll have established the same credibility as posting something I drew myself.
And like I stated before, no one is going to take some rando who thinks they know better seriously. What's so hard about posting even one piece of your work? If it looks good, we'll take you seriously but you're terrified to even do that and I already know the reason.
You’ll have to improve your skills to get a job anon.
It looks like a study of a penis holding a knife anon.
not anyone in that chain but crit this before the thread dies please
it's a one hour thing from a few months back but I kinda like it
didn't realise I saved the ant version
oh well
I don't know what this is going for but...more clear separation of values? Also decide where the focus of your composition is and what you're doing to push the viewer towards it.
Right now, the red light would be the focus but it pulls away from the "heads" of the two shadow-figures which ostensibly are also important. But it's hard to read what they are or why they're there. So I'd say work on stronger composition and stronger value range.
I'm still waiting on that art, Julio. I'll even post my own work so we can critique each other.
You’re not even keeping track of the right anon lmao
Can you blame me? You both sound like homosexuals who just read their first art book a month ago and are too scared to show examples of their own work.
And you sound like a jealous nobody, the kind of person fixated on their own ideas of success but unable to do anything to achieve them. I’m getting a kick out of it but I’m not sure why you keep replying
Me asking you to post an example of you as an artist makes me a jealous nobody? Sure, keep backpedaling instead of trying to prove me wrong by showing me a banger but you won't because you have nothing to show in the first place, am I right?
Yes, it does. Lmao
How would I be jealous since you posted absolutely nothing to be jealous about?
How am I supposed to know why you do the things you do anon?
Next you're going to tell people how to drive when you've never been on the wheel in your life, stay on the side lines just like the drunk Dad at the kid's baseball game, you worthless homosexual.
>been on the wheel
Lmao how’s life in the third world?
Why don't you post your own art tho?
You know what they say about pearls before swing :^)
Lmao swine*, looks like I was the third world moron that post
You already know the reason, he has no work to begin with and now he's pretending to be moronic in order to chicken out some more.
Pretty pathetic
If you want somebody like me to hire you one day anon, you’ll have to improve your skills.
>You both sound like homosexuals who just read their first art book a month
I'm literally a professional illustrator and my work is already in this thread.
yeah I wanted the light and knife that the left not benis figure is holding to be the focus as a mirror/shadow monster kind of thing with the rest kind of vague but I derped it, could probably have comped it better
I HATE MATH
I WILL KILL THE MATHMAN TO DEATH
TO HELL WITH YOU AND YOUR GARBAGE SUBJECT!
Be a-feared not my childabeest, man-math means no harm to you!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAyou didn't draw that did you
I drew the outline, my buddy filled in the numbers because I'm incompetent. He's my OC though.
Man Math! He was ordinary math until he was bitten by a radioactive my grandfather. Now he lives above a mom-and-pop business and helps people with mundane math problems.
Not all the time and especially not lately. "Experts" and these pieces of paper dont mean shit. There are objecrive truths (2+2=4) and we can know them without le epic college mans.
>because everyone is still going to listen to the guy with the Math degree over the guy who doesn't.
Unless he's saying that 2 + 2 = 5, and you just need to trust him because he has the math degree. He would still be objectively wrong, and no amount of diplomas is going to change that.
If he tells you "I don't need to listen to you because I have a math degree and you don't", he would be both wrong AND a douche bag.
An even worse analogy, he wouldn't have a diploma in the first place if he was saying 2+2=5.
>"Experts" never say incorrect things, or defend bad work they've done
...homie do you even know any people? Have you ever read, like, anything? Ever?
a person with a degree is still human and can make mistakes, screaming about your degree makes you look ridiculous if you made a blatant and obvious mistake even the most uneducated layman can point out
i don't need to be a world-renowned engineer to tell you the square wheels you installed on my car are fricking moronic.
Criticism is different from just talking shit. If you cannot point on what would've worked better or how to improve it, you're basically just posting an opinion saying "I dont like it". That might fly if you're a renowned critic who has already proven he is competent and has a long track record where he fleshes out these preferences more thoroughly, but not as random anon.
This is made worse by the fact that you use incorrect terms, betraying the fact that you're just an overly self-important newbie thinking his opinion is correct just because he has one. No one says perspective is "flat", since there's no curved perspective unless you go for a fisheye perspective, and you surely dont think fisheye perspective to be cornerstore of good art. Furthermore, art is about aesthetics, not using the most difficult method available. Sometimes simple solutions are best, yet you seem to use his choice of perspective as an insult.
Go eat a dick, you vapid-headed poser.
Just accept the criticism, if anon is interested in learning about lighting that means he already knows better and knows I’m right.
This anon isn’t me.
I'm not sure the anatomy here holds up, and the composition is way cramped. I don't know why you'd push the figure so far to the left of the page if you've got a shitload of space on the right that's not doing anything, and the result is that instead of feeling like its' showing movement in that direction, it feels like she's walking into a wall. I think if you shifted the whole figure to the right and allowed yourself more of that background on the left it would flow better.
Also, I feel like just as a painting note you might be overselling the light cast by that candle. Especially considering as it sits, it's theoretically in front of and to the right of her giant breasts, which means the entire side of her that is facing the camera should probably be in shadow due to them obstructing the light from the candle. The same with her dress, I have no idea why her dress isn't casting any sort of shadow on her legs at all despite it obscuring the path of the light.
do a version of this with half sized breasts and it'd be perfection
i painted this with acrylic on a piece of cardboard.I ave never painted before and I don't know what it is but I thought it looked cool
>on cardboard
Literal hillbilly kino
Study I finished the other day
I think you would have more success with your overall compositions if you had a clearer separation between the background values and the figure. Overall I think your edges are too rough and undefined and they end up blurring with the similar values on the background and the result is that only the extreme highlights read.
Personally I like to use a separate color palette for backgrounds and then cross between them where it becomes necessary.
Yeah I agree with what you say, as for the colors though, I was using pic related to study
You should do more studies of things that aren’t so heavily stylized so you can focus more and don’t have as much to manage.
So the thing here, as you'll notice, is that the background in the center of the piece has a light blue color (in landscape painting, this is called atmospheric fog or washing, because things get more washed-out and pale as they get farther away due to the amount of air between you and them), and the majority of the figure is a darker shade, so it is silhouetted very solidly. And the areas where you have the "white" which is close to that background blue, there's dark edging to create that separation.
These are the things you want to observe if you're going to study.
Thanks anon, very helpful. Also do you think the piece was done from a greyscale or the guy used color from the start? I started with a greyscale and then added the color
>Also do you think the piece was done from a greyscale or the guy used color from the start?
Probably not the final piece.
I went looking, and the Artstation page for the piece is here: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/nYzr3r
Without seeing a process shot, I can't tell you if it was specifically done in greyscale and then colored after, but I tend to doubt it. Obviously you can see some of the thumbnail/value studies done beforehand in the page there, but I would guess the actual picture was painted normally.
WIP of a background for a cartoon I'm making
I like the wacky perspective anon, it looks like a funhouse in there. Real wacky stuff.
Why not just use screenshots of a gmod map then run it through a photoshop filter. Same results in a fraction of the time
Well, I want to practice as well
Looks like something I'd see in a early 2000 comic or flash animation
nice
I need to get off my ass and work more on my fundamentals.
I'm not a furry but nice!
Thanks.
Not sure what that has to do with me wanting to improve beyond just being someone who does basic fanart.
Do yourself a favor and quit skimping on the angles you use. You’re cutting corners and making bad habits with your anatomy.
I've been working on it on the side if you're referring to foreshortened angles. Just isn't stuff I'm comfortable posting until I'm further along in the studies.
Nor do I trust the janitors here to not ban me over nude figure studies
No you need to discord??
>1000 hours
haha..
Here
Idk
What’s with the shoulders? Birth defect?
Idk. Just thought it would look ccool
Technique is for morons
I use 'ironic' stickfigures and the line smoothing slider in Photoshop set to 70 percent
Name 17 games that do this
Eve Online
>concept artist career meme
don't fall for it
you will fall for it anyways and will fail like me
then you will tell others to not fall for it knowing very well they will fail for it anyways
Will learning art reduce my ability to appreciate it? Sometimes I see a picture and I think, neat art, and then I read other comments online and they say things like how the artist is an idiot who doesn't understand anatomy or how shadows don't work that way. I like looking at pictures and I don't want to ruin my ability to enjoy it by learning to notice bad details that I couldn't see before.
No but as you progress you will alternate between being really satisfied with what you draw and being frustrated about it not being enough. You sorta train your art appreciation skill together with your drawing skill. There's a diagram of it floating around /ic/ sometimes
I've become more able to identify derpy faces but overall I just love seeing other people show their appreciation for the things they love. For example, I love this guy's art even though it looks a little derpy from time to time. Even then, I can feel the passion and can see some things that I want to emulate or try out in my own art, such as improving body definition and he colors.
>dude learn to draw comic characters from the 30s
how about people recommend a better modern book?
>modern
>dude just draw asymmetrical furries like adventure time you don't actually need to know how to draw
>game is controversial
I copied this from a real image, no clue what I'm doing, just picked 5 values and blur mashed them together. I'll probably either need to blur smarter or add another layer with lines without any blur (probably both). drawing is tricky
>blur mashed
Don't blur em.
If you want to learn to render, do NOT stop by blending a handful of values together. Pick 2 values, average light and average shadow, then use a solid brush to create shapes you use to describe the forms of the body. I'm talking make it look like some fricking low poly style shit. Use big shapes initially, like 3-4 to just get the general idea of what the form looks like, and zoom out and flip the canvas to see if it's readable or not, then slowly start adding smaller and smaller render shapes to get finer details. Remember that rendering is primarily describing shapes, so blending the values together is almost completely unnecessary in understanding how to do it initially, but once you figure out good shapes you can then take a basic blender brush and blend the edges of your shapes together and you'll see just how good it looks. Good luck
This book is for kids, right? My 10 y/o niece is trying to learn to draw, and I was thinking about getting her a book to help guide her practice.
it's for anybody, although why you wouldn't look through it first i have no idea
I dont think it considers kids its target audience. Not saying it's anything too mature but it's like giving a high school level school book to elementary school student. If the kid has good vognition and pasdion, they might actually benefit from it. Itherwise might wanna get something that's more aimed to kids
>good vognition and pasdion
Cognition and passion. Sorry, typing as I walk
>spend a long time trying to git gud
>never git gud
>want to die every time i remember i'm a failed artist
meds for this feel?
you know, ive been meaning to make art assets for my own game
but i cant just sit down and draw
or do anything tbh
Don't bother, in 5 years tops you will be able to make professional quality art with an AI using just a text description.
What is "shit people said in 1970?"
Anon, I...
1. I'll throw in the towel when the AI can draw Goku fisting Vegeta while Frieza jacks off in the corner.
2. Even if there was a tool for this to generate images, the sheer amount of surveillance you'd be going through would make it impossible to safely generate anything but the safest, most cookie cutter garbage possible.
Not scared at all.
The dalle-2 devs have stated that "hate speech" as well as "pornography" are not allowed, in their TOS. So artists like Stonetoss or nsfw artists, are extremely safe.
https://openai.com/dall-e-2/
>cant ai generate stonetoss amogus deepfakes
what even is the point
for now...
imagine advertisers making fanart of your waifu to bait you into buying their games
Don't care. Still going to have an infinite supply of wholesome pictures of my obscure vidya waifu.
>we pussied out and probably provide expertise/tooling for feds
Just fricking release it opensource MIT license no holds barred. Let me watch the world burn.
Is the robot going to to come to my house, and cut off my hands, preventing me from being able to draw, no? Then I don't care, for the same reason Usain Bolt probably doesn't care that a Ford Mustang can drive 10 times faster than he can run.
That's shit analogy though, Usain Bolt is about human performance while the Ford Mustang is about going from A to B, you don't call Usain Bolt so he can strap you on his back and then run to where you work at. Art isn't about human performance, it's just a guy moving a pencil with his hands, what people are interested at is the final result, the art itself, so if AI can make art as good as other people then it will definitely affect artists.
1000+ hours will take care of a lot of very tedious legwork you should initially do and will place you onto the skill floor. Then grind goes slightly easier on you, still gonna hurt tho.
"1000 hours"? Try 10.000 before you are actually halfway decent.
>10.000
so ten hours? Not so bad 🙂
some chump just got duped earlier into thinking Dragon's Dogma isn't actually turbo turds. sunk cost fallacy gays came in thinking they were hot shitters for blowing 800+ hours of their worthless lives on that garbage. LMFAO
not joining this shit, and its your loss i am a great artist of our times
i only wanted to draw vidya buutts girl today.
You don't grind this game for fun, though, you grind to get better and use your skills to make fun things. Terrible comparison, delete yourself.
If you browse /ic/ and take it seriously you're a confirmed sour lamo
This, I pity the anons who think /ic/ is valid
>take time to draw up a diagram to give lighting advice to someone who asked for it in /ic/
>some moron comes in calling it pathetic and need to practise more, keeps shit talking everyone, refuses to post his own work
Yep, that's/ic/
Not sure why I even bothered, just closed, muted the thread and left
>muted the thread
???
this isn't reddit, if you just leave the thread it won't come back to haunt you.
I dont wanna see it in the catalogue obviously
You should just avoid /ic/ in general, it's /LULZ/ but for art
So I've learned, I don't know why the posters there are such massive spergs I just wanted to help people with their art
Which one is this, the stupid secret club one where you're stuck in a blank room waiting for the schizo groomer admin to okay you into his drawgay harem?
I like to draw but I don't like to do exercises.
EVERY
FRICKING
DAY
Loomis-sama have mercy! I just want to draw cute girls doing cute things.
How do I learn to love and want to do art.
Like I want to learn, but I just have no motivation.
Draw things you want to draw. If there's nothing you want to draw then give up.
Just fricking draw what you want. If you don't like the idea of drawing what you want, no amount of motivation going to change that. So your options are a) draw or b) don't draw
>How do I learn to love and want to do art.
If you have a muse, motivation comes easy.
>How do I learn to love and do art
No magic answer, you gotta spend time and effort into trying.
But you do gotta answer, why art? do you want to draw something you like/love? do you want to make money and love getting recognized? do you want to pass on something into history, no matter how little? any answer is fine as long as you're honest with these.
>Like I want to learn, but I just have no motivation.
Well, bad news, the first year of art in my opinion is the hardest. Fact, learning anything new is HARD and stressful. Gonna need a lot of motivation my man.
But your source of motivation might be depleted already from daily tasks and work, I really don't have any magic answer aside to give yourself enough time to study art.
For me, drawing became very important to me when I was young, but it crystallized into something I needed as a teenager, and later as a young adult, it turned into my life’s goal to tell a story through my art. You don’t need a backstory as elaborate as that, but what drives me to create is a sense of purpose, that if I were to instill the same passion into someone else with my work, I’d consider myself a success.
You’re making me miss physical media, it’s been too long
Your quickest Mario
Amphetamines
It may take a long time to get better at it, but if you go about it right you should be getting joy out of it immediately and consistently.
I feel like I'm going fricking crazy. It's like every week I forget how to draw a simple box. Am I brain damaged or something?
You need to keep drawing, don't to long breaks.
No, your brain is adapting. Your threshold what you consider good enough usually rises so you need to overcome it by drawing better consistently or accepting it and have confidence to push through anyways
It's been like this for a fricking year, I don't know what else to say.
>he’s only been drawing for a year
It’s a lifetime commitment. Drawing isn’t (just) about achieving an end product, it’s self-expression, an endless battle against yourself and your own abilities to convey your ideas and feelings into an image. Look at me, I’ve been doing it for over a decade or so and I’m still shit compared to other people who have been doing it for half as long, but that’s okay, because I still see myself growing and I want to keep going. If you just started out a year ago you’re still just a baby. But if I’m misreading and you’re just stuck, the point still more or less stands.
Suffering is mere proof of existence, the conflict is dreadful but I’d be nothing without it
relax dude
learning is harder when you're stressed
analyze what you're doing wrong
if its a muscle memory problem its just your hand
if its a knowledge thing, refresh your perspective fundies
>if its a knowledge thing, refresh your perspective fundies
I feel like I just keep doing that over and over and over and over and over.
try doing some studies of other artists
the information doesn't really "click" until its generalized or seen in different scenarios
Do you have a goal when it comes to drawing? Do you want to draw people, anime, landscapes, vehicles/mechs? Maybe you're getting bored just drawing boxes in different perspectives
The average 30+ year old /beg/
>The average 30+ year old /beg/
more like the average man trying to draw his waifu
literally me
/beg/s don't draw and i certainly don't respect them the way i do this anime man because i relate to him
holy shit hes literally me
>want to join because need artist buddies
>have to post art before you can get into gay club
>post art work, got banned
outskilled
they just want your art data so they can implement it in their coomer-AI. I guess
Post your art here, anon.
That's a fake drawgay server. The homosexual admin is literally just looking for people to groom.
>That's a fake drawgay server. The homosexual admin is literally just looking for people to groom.
The actual drawgays don't advertise their servers in public but in private messages between artgays. The schizo autist from drawthreads has been making these false servers a lot to try to get into the circles.
>The actual drawgays don't advertise their servers in public but in private messages between artgays.
Art servers are spammed all around all the fricking time in boards like /i/ and /ic/ the frick are you on about schixo
Yeah, but those are the shit ones.
I meant anons who actually draw. We all know /ic/ anons don't draw.
>point
>counterpoint
>"it doesnt count"
frick you homies
If the server you advertise was good, it wouldn't be advertised in Ganker
It's true. I saw a japanese art discord being advertised and they politely turned me down because I didn't have a portfolio on the internet. I thought it was just for learning but seems like it was for professional e-girlcons.
any professional furry servers so i can learn kemono style proper
You can find more about it if you look in the archives. Too lazy to spoonfeed you.
>It really was that one again
every time
The admin is looking for fem anons to orbit so they make these little communities to bait them in. Once people figure out his con he deletes his account and the server and starts again with a new group, this happens almost monthly. He also does this if he thinks the current group is boring or won't create his ideal orbiting environment. Part of the whole mysterious vetting process and blank page thing is so he can avoid and ban people that learned about his bullshit. I've been in a couple of them, every time it's a brand new account and the admin refuses to post their work.
anon, easy on the meds
groomer server full of bots. don't join
"Just Draw" doesnt work of you dont know what you want to draw and style you want to achieve.
One day, youll want to draw stuff like the Gorillaz, the next, youre mimicing Yuskue Murata.
Before you "Just Draw" pick one thing, and stick to it.
>style you want to achieve
Your artistic style is a result of learning how you yourself comfortably draw.
It's true about guitar. I'm not even practicing consciously but all of a sudden I can ay shut I thought I'd never be able to even begin playing
ay shut?
someone give me something to draw quickly before I go to sleep, please and thank you.
Draw a cool cyborg
I want you to know that this request is killing me, I made something, but it doesn't look super cyborgy. I've been wanting to figure out a design for a cool cyborg for like a year, and I can't get one down.
It’s only difficult the first ten thousand times.
it's funny seeing these deadbeats get so mad over not being in a literaly ghost town server, stop over reacting
Frick off groomer
drawing sucks, imaginify instead
A friend told me to get Art Academy and I loved it
""Learning"" anything art related requires some sort of latent talent, you can't learn to draw purely through training
>math requires the knowledge from past generations to be embedded in your genes, you can't simply start studying it from 1+1=2
>Implying the process and progression of drawing is even remotely related to math
Left and right brain, Black person
Sure, you can commit anatomy to memory but manipulating it to the point where it resembles an art style is for a very specific subset of people
This. Art is math, and every anon here wants to do hyperbolic geometry in their first attempt.
>Art is math
Art is like driving a car.
its boring but its really fun flooring it and going 180 mph!
Exactly. Plus, you don't really need to do any calculations to do a three point turn or to reverse park or parallel park.
There's two parts. The mechanical side and the intellectual side. The mechanical side for art would be the control of your arm which is the thing that limits most people before they even get to the intellectual side. Maths mechanical side would be writing shit which is trivial.
left = a year ago
right = recent time
I put in 250-400 hours in the past year.
cute. how do you animate your pics?
Aseprite
Do you know what my favorite thing about the meme 'Learn to draw" threads on Ganker are?
They're filled with hundreds of absolute morons who have for some reason dedicated their lives to drawing the most awful, ridiculous, nonsensical anime fetish art, but with the skill of an autistic school child. Why do you people exist? Why do you not just become normal, functioning people with non-broken brains? It's not hard.
If Jesus wouldn't weep looking into your sketchbook you don't belong here
If you’re on Ganker complaining about people being maladjusted, immature weirdos then boy do I have news for (you)
Actually art is more like writing
>art is like writing
lol no
not him but artists do use the term "building a visual library" which is a lot like building vocabulary
>If you’re on Ganker complaining about people being maladjusted, immature weirdos
You're allowed to be dysfunctional, broken, failed human beings, I'm fine with that.
However, you have a literal obligation to never share anything about yourself with anyone else, and die in a dark room where no one ever has to see you or anything you do.
it gets better when you realize loomis is a meme to start with and seek other resources
>true route is maximum difficulty and leads to a bad end
>evil route is easy and gets you lots of gold but you need to max the build that makes gay furry fetish porn
this game fricking sucks, it sucking fricks and I don't like it
Just make e-girl porn, anon. It also pays pretty well nowadays if you have a fanbox or something. If you're a really big sick frick, you could also do guro art. Koreans and Chinese LOVE guro.
e-girl doesn't pay well compared to other kinds of porn, not to mention your options are more limited. Where did this meme come from?
people who want e-girl
most of them are in jail
It's a long time coming
>people who want e-girl
are mostly thirdworlders that can only pay peanuts for some reason
I dunno, cromachina and mantis-x some other e-girl artists do very well for themselves. Cro has at least 240+ fanbox subscribers according to the number of people on his discord that he only uses for distribution, so that's about 1.2k a month which is pretty decent. Commissions probably add a couple hundred to that, so let's say about 1.5k. Mantix-x makes $5,194 a month so he's a great example of making it.
You either rise to the challenge or end yourself. Seems fair to me.
>be 30
>know that anything I havent mastered by now I'll never be good at
no need to be a master if you can at least represent your idea to someone in a clear format
>be 30+
>mastered nothing
>even the technical aptitude i've built over the years i'm losing while slowly turning more into a tech illiterate boomer
Didn't that Robutts guy start at like 27? You can still get rich drawing lewd girls Anon.
Yah ive heard that as well as Van Gogh starting at 27.
That's OK anon, you're not a master of anything else. Why would you suddenly let not being a master at drawing stop you from picking it up? Loser mindset. Remove it, even if you don't end up drawing. You're 30, not dead.
using brain plasticity as an argument to not do anything is pure cope, never too late
>master = be "good" at
Come on. You can always learn stuff and your age is not the problem. Either you were uninterested in everything (so you never picked any skill) and it's an attitude problem, or you picked some and refuse to acknowledge what you're actually capable of. Don't use your age as an excuse.
I doodle, write, and make shit music for fun.
If my primary motivation for all of those would be money, I would most likely hate myself and life in general.
You should do stuff you enjoy. If you don't like drawing at all but think it can only be fun when you are in top 1% of artists, then I am not sure if it is for you.
people want to be able to create things for money because they fricking hate the cancer that is wageslavery and want to be independent.
not saying that doesn't suck the fun out of creating these things for a lot of people but the motives behind the desire are sympathetic.
I've come to think that the argument of "x thing should be fun, you shouldn't bother if it's not fun!" is a terrible piece of advice because every skill worth it's weight is a fricking pain in the ass at the beginning (just like everything else really) but often times we forget how dreadful it was to draw/create something when we first started and realize it doesn't look anywhere close to what we envisioned in our heads, thus leading people to quit altogether because they're not "having fun"
What people need to be told is "hey, your first year or two are gonna be extremely painful. The fun will come once you've developed your sea legs and know how to troubleshoot your own mess/have somebody to guide you along the way"
Granted, it's possible to have fun if you're just a dabbler and don't really care about reaching a high level of proficiency at whatever it is you want to do, but I've seen so many people give up on so many endeavors because they kept chasing that "fun" everyone told them to experience.
>Is there any other good learning material on drawing figures in perspective?
Like that anon said, Erik Olson's perspective course is probably your best bet. It feels like a fricking eternity having Erik repeat the same thing over and over "so it's ingrained in your brain" but he doesn't cut any corners on the basics and advanced theories of perspective (like many people tend to do because it's so fricking dry and boring to teach.)
as for drawing figures, there's a reason why a lot of teachers are incredibly autistic on seeing the human body as a lump of geometric shapes, you're just placing people inside boxes, which again, require perspective to get it to read right.
That's pretty much what Kim Jung Gi's course will showcase; "Bro just put figures in little boxes and fill in the rest"
Well now, why would you even join a discord art group, especially on Ganker? Sounds like autism hell.
so you can get free art of your videogame, like cuphead or final fantasy xxx
Yup. Ganker communities are usually cancer and those which aren't, inevitably turn cancerous later.
It could be fun.
I especially like things like Drawpiles, if they host those.
Or playing games like Gartic or Jackbox with actual artists.
Gartic's funnier when there are artists and non-artists
https://www.kazoneonline.com/p/figures-in-perspective
Should I buy this?
Is there any other good learning material on drawing figures in perspective?
>buying courses when youtube and deviant art exists
Well, that's why I asked for any other material. There's so much of it floating around and everyone has differing techniques and opinions on what and how to do that it just becomes too overwhelming.
Actually a good idea, haven't been there in quite some years. Thanks!
I've been mostly studying anatomy lately, but I've been jumping with perspective back and forth and thought it'd be a good practice of both anatomy and perspective that way. I can do figure drawing on a blank space, but my brain breaks down when I try and follow a given perspective. Also, thanks for the recommendations.
dude there's like
an archive of video courses available for free too, dunk yourself in there.
There's no one correct path. Don't hink about missing on other things just because you picked one thing for now. Nothing preventing you to go for the other stuff too. The point is just consume and apply the different ways and views for you to grow your own tool box for expressing yourself.
if you don't understand perspective don't jump to "figures in perspective"
the best perspective course out there is Erik Olson's course on NMA. 100 hours of all the perspective you'll need
visit /ic/, there's a ton of resources everywhere
Sexo
People are still playing WOW is 2022 so I'd say yes.
What are some art channels to never draw and endlessly seethe at better artists?
art channels?
Servers, channels, I don't know. Whatever shit people join in these days?
have you tried this weird site called four channel
Already endlessly seething here as a forever /beg/. Guess personally knowing people's name would make my seething even worse.
theres an /aco/ drawgay discord but I don't know if it's what you're looking for
you can hang around /ic/ like people already suggested, other for just artists and their WIPS there's twitter
What’s a good YouTube channel to start with?
proko
Thanks
i do love drawing, but it always feels like theres shit stopping me. from work, energy, socialization, etc. even my own elbow has started to hurt, making drawing painful. i just want to make stuff i enjoy, and that other people will enjoy. peopleve told me they like my art, but separating the genuine feedback and the "hes my friend, i should be nice" comments is impossible
Ganker has done my damage to my drawing than anything else in my life.
funny since you have only yourself to blame to faliing into that trap
I wish I had learned to draw when I was 14, now at 24 it's too late
its not too late if you try.
I'm 30 and I still draw in mspaint but I can make decent enough stuff.
I have been drawing my whole life and I learn new techniques every day.
You don't finish learning how to draw, so if you think "I can't learn at 24" then drawing was never for you
You're probably right, I wish it wouldn've been though
It takes at least 10,00 hours. Also what's the deal with the surge in normalgays trying to learn to draw lately? Artists have enough competition as it is, the market is saturated. did everyone start drawing over lockdown?
>market
Maybe people draw because they like it, not to make money from it
That's fine then, just don't come on my turf. I barely make enough for rent I don't need more zoomies to compete with for commissions
I want to be able to sell my art some day too.
Don't do it I forbid you
too late
Sounds like you’re not very good in the first place if you’re threatened by people like this
Even though people say to treat creative pursuits like art and music as a hobby, not a career, I can't help but get the feeling that many people are trying to do this as a career anyway and as a result end up desperately trying to discourage people and eliminate the competition. I've seen some comments that suggest that professional artists are struggling now because there are so many hobbyists nowadays producing high-quality work at cheap prices.
I, uh, thought that was something else from the thumbnail.
>and as a result end up desperately trying to discourage people and eliminate the competition
You got the first part right but your pea brain hasn’t considered how pointless and arbitrary peoples reasons can be
People who feel like they need to discourage others are already ngmi
Neat!!
Anon, some people just enjoy discouraging people. You have to understand that people don’t lash out just because they feel jealous or inadequate. Some people are just buttholes or get entertainment out of provoking sensitive autists on a Tibetan rat catching forum.
Post your work.
If you're making a "living" from drawing, I want to see exactly what that takes.
Fine
Kek why lie on the internet? Here specifically of all places!
What this guy said
I started drawing because I wanted to be able to present the ideas in my head to the world in a way speech alone couldn't convey.
10,000 hours is a meme, most art students make good enough work for an entry job after 1-2 years at a decent art school and beyond good enough there's no actual ceiling (unless your goal is to be equal to one of your art heroes) only your changing tastes and trying new techniques
Art schools dont teach you anything. Believe me I wasted 3 years of my life in one. But youre right 1-2 years of intensive practice could get you to an ok level, through teaching yourself.
You went to a shit art school
See places like fzd where they show their students entry work vs what they drew for their finals
As someone who had to teach themselves I would never ever recommend it compared to someone who knows their stuff helping you slice through the layers of bullshit so you can solve faster
Fzd teaches you soulless art
that looks soulfull as hell
They teach you how to draw like that after a single term my dude
Imagine going to an art school and in like 3 months you can draw perfect layouts of the vidya levels you have in your head
I love how people who are absolutely shit are like "Who cares if I can't even draw a straight line, much less work with form, perspective, value, shape, composition, or structure. My drawings have SOUL."
No homie. Your drawings are garbage because you have no skill and because you think having no skill is a good thing.
More importantly, if you handed either drawing in
to a 3d modeler there's basically no guesswork, they'd be able to get to work immediately because they're so well defined and grounded in 3d space
It's more that, most people ITT are complete morons who have this meme idea that "soul" is something that comes from a lack of training and just doing what feels natural. It's not, that's a meme. You've bought into a meme and a joke. You have become a shitpost.
The reason foundations of concept art and whatnot stress perspective and structure and clean lines, is not because "lol soulless generic art lol", it's because once you understand that shit, THEN you can go back and add your own whatever to it. Mess with the perspective, play with the construction, experiment with composition, etc. And it will work, because it will be grounded in those real actual rules of space and form.
If you don't know those things, then you can't fake them because it will always look wrong and shit. That's not "soul", that's laziness.
>FZD
NTA but Fheng's school is more like an intensive 2 - 4 year bootcamp where you can't do shit but draw 24/7 (I've heard the majority of the students spend 16 hours between classes + drawing), something that not a lot of people have the stamina/willpower to soldier through. Granted the advantage a lot of people obtain through FZD is that they're trained to the rigors of the entertainment industry where people have to take a lot of shortcuts to get their pieces done (i.e. photo bashing, using 3D models as base templates/draw on top etc.)
Besides, it's important to take into account he'd demonstrate the best pieces from his top 1% students to put his school on a pedestal (and rightfully so, nobody wants to showcase garbage and ruin their own reputation.)
I'm not trying to shit on his school or anything, it's a great place to study at but I don't think 4 years are enough to get somebody who can barely hold a pencil to "industry standard". There's some truth to what Jeff Watts says on the fact that you can't just "take head/figure drawing once or twice and say you fully dominate it, you might need to take it 5 - 10 times until you can't get it wrong."
no, there are a lot of advantages that digital has to offer (no need to spend money on paintings, brushes, charcoal, etc), layers, being able to put a piece of reference side to side, etc. There are some things that are not "fully" translated from traditional media but like the other anons have said, it's simply a tool. What matters is how you problem solve things.
Last I checked it was 1 year and everything after that was totally optional
You'd be amazed at what you have the willpower and stamina to do when surrounded by people sitting right next to you grinding like that, especially if you're student age.
Academic artist types are autists and don't teach you the skills to get and then hold down an art job, they're the type of people to get you trapped in box hell studying stuff that you hate.
You don't need to know every single bone in the head, your director literally doesn't care as long as he can tell what's what and the overall thing looks good.
>Academic artist types are autists and don't teach you the skills to get and then hold down an art job, they're the type of people to get you trapped in box hell studying stuff that you hate.
You don't need to know every single bone in the head, your director literally doesn't care as long as he can tell what's what and the overall thing looks good.
Anon, academic art isn't just "let's draw the whole skeleton and commit to memory every single muscle insertion", what you're meant to get out of this kind of rigorous training is how to draw and render, just because Jeff is that autistic it doesn't mean you have to do the same. Academic stuff is meant to teach you how to render properly, even if you were to ignore it altogether, you'd have to do autistic studies like those to assimilate the knowledge and THEN bend it for your own personal needs.
I don't know what you meant by "box hell" (probably drawabox? or being trapped?) but all of this lies in the eye of the beholder. Maybe you hate doing skull studies and see no benefit in doing so, but I'd call the skull structure important as the knowledge allows you to draw and exaggerate features from imagination.
You're trapped in the /ic/ improvooor mentality
Outside of some absurd edge case you're not being hired to draw the ultimate perfect skull, you're being hired to either rapid fire ideas to a team to build from them, or you're making badass pictures to sell product.
Good enough is a thing, focus on the shit that matters not anatomy autism unless anatomy autism is your reason for drawing
I don’t even understand your angle ITT, aside from just having a boner for giving people unsolicited advice.
What do you mean, read the reply chain, guy is saying taking heads 101 multiple times is a good use of your time in the context of getting trained for art jobs
You only have to be 'good enough'
Yeah if you want to be a useless body doing a job anybody could do lol
Lol OK, let's see how your job application and portfolio review go if "anyone can do it"
>You're trapped in the /ic/ improvooor mentality
Dude how is that a bad thing. Art is a lifetime commitment, ask any professional worth it's salt and they're gonna tell you they're always learning/trying out new stuff to produce new ideas. Also, /ic/ doesn't even care about improvement, they're all crabs who shit on newbies who don't know any better/demonstrate potential and are quickly dragged through the mud because they're not putting in the work and would rather b***h and moan about innate shit just to make themselves feel good.
Get a grip ESL brother. If academic art is just "anatomy central" to you, then that goes on to demonstrate how little you know about this field.
i had an epiphany a couple of years back and realized videogames alone weren't cutting it for me anymore so i started doing something actually creative (and different from the field i work in to avoid burnout) instead
>competition
>market
i'm doing this for myself and for fun, i don't ever plan on taking commissions. maybe i'll make some shit for friends but that's it
Not true
But really...
Remember the guy from Wakfu started to draw at 30.
>If I'm not instantly good at something I should quit
Typical limited mindset. Go cope about your genetics on LULZ, loser.
Deluding yourself with delusion of grandeur does nothing but harm you in the end you dumb homosexual.
>bro never try you might get disappointed later
400 pound sausage fingers typed this
Never said that but keep putting words in my mouth because you have no good comebacks buddy.
That’s my first reply you dumb Black person
Is it wrong to start learning how to draw digitally?
My uneducated ass feels like it'd be easier to buy a tablet than say learning traditionally through buying paper and pencils.
digital art is completely different from traditional because of the physical disconnect. You will need to completely readjust your mindset.
So it's fine? I don't know how to draw one way or the other, so I don't have a mindset to readjust to begin with.
if you're starting with digital that's fine but buy a cheap tablet to start with just to get used to it.
Yes that's very wrong. You must start on canvas with charcoal that you made yourself from burning wood, you should also learn to stretch your own canvases otherwise youll never be a real artist.
It literally doesn't matter, a tool is a tool
I did digital at school and then had a notebook I sketched on on the bus for fun
Not at all. Digital is much faster than traditional and more you get to draw, more you get practice. Plus digital has layers, oapcity config and so on so you can manipulate your pic easier. Plus ctr+z is a godsent compared to traditional eraser
Don't listen to this anon
There is no difference. I know great artists who learned digitally and make incredible traditional stuff. You are just learning to move your pen after all whether thats on a screen or paper makes no difference at all. The only disconnect you might have is if you use a screenless graphics tablet, that takes some getting used to. Better to use a cintiq, chinese knockoff cintiq or iPad where you can draw directly on the screen.
Is cheaper to go an buy some pencils and paper than a drawing-table.
Guess I should have mentioned I was thinking about buying a cheapo display-less tablet, since the ones with displays are super expensive.
I wonder if learning how to draw with one of those would be bad somehow.
I was just talking from a money perspective. The quality table ones are around 50/60€. Pencils, erasers and a bunch of paper can be around 10€.
When you git good get a tablet.
draw on whatever will make you want to draw but...
digital art is harder to start with because you have to worry about
>learning to control your hands
>learning to control your drawing programs and the various brushes
>learning to control your tablet settings even
starting with pencil all you need to worry about is learning to control your hand
Depends on the person, I've always done traditional and even I felt Doodle or Die's paint scheme was easier just because of the undo whereas with pencils you have to make sure you don't press too hard or it will unerasable and you can forget about erasing with ink or paint, no frick ups allowed.
It's actually really fun to draw with pen, because you have no room to back out you have to own every line that you put down
thats exactly why you need to learn to draw with pencil before digital
undo is a trap
learning to be confident and delicate with your pencil gives you a lot more freedom than any undo button could
source?
Blank Canvas: My So-Called Artist's Journey, known in Japan as Kakukaku Shikajika
I always give up on drawing because the quality of my stuff is so bad it makes me sad
If you fixate on the quality of your work instead of problem solving why you think it looks bad and trying to fix that on the next thing you draw you'll always be sad
>drawing tablet died
It was my first one as well, I miss it and can't get a new one for a while...
>some people are just born with an ability to draw picture perfect representations of anything they saw for a millisecond in their life or didn't even witness
Just spend half of your life mastering something others got for free. Sounds fair.
Some of that people cant tie their shoes or have autism.
I have autism without any positive perks to balance it out.
There is actually a trick that people don't tell you. Keep on grinding and maybe you will figure it out one day.
Please don't moot this thread mods. You always fricking do. Some of us are just too shy to post on /ic/ and the art I see here is pretty good. So let this one slide. Focus on those stealth porn threads instead ok
I like those eyes
do you have a discord?
My homie in Christ, I did not draw that but I wish i did
Remember
Why does no one ever reply to my posts in these threads ;_;
Here you go bro
Made me mad but also made me laugh so (You)
I don't need to learn how to draw because my minds eye is incredibly vivid
If that were true, you'd be able to draw instead of being the useless sack of shit you are now.
How do you guys manage switching over to a new softwares? I’ve been using this shitty ass software ever since I was a kid And it’s really hard getting used to better tools
With great difficulty
Luckily I started on photoshop so it can still do everything pretty well
I know that feel, been trying to get into CSP but every tool switch feels like sandpaper running through my taint. You just get used to it I guess.
Is there an agreed upon best software to use, or is it really just "find the one that works for you?"
I heard paint tool SAI and Krita are pretty good. Trying to find "the one" sounds like a huge pain though
Its more of a "you adapt to the tool, not the tool adapts to you" thing. Every software has it's own strengths and weaknesses, can't tell about Krita but Sai is easy to learn with a great tool for blending and has a vectored lining if you're into that.
Weird question but it relates to the commission I'm doing and it seems like my commissioner is asleep or something so can't ask him currently and I'm not a native English speaker so I'm not sure myself.
Does "Night Maiden" kinda sound like something you'd call a prostitute?
It's Elden Ring related and there's a spell called "Night Maiden's Mist" so I wanted to play on that since I have to make up names for TF spells.
Please respond.
Kinda, Like the joke is Lady of the Night. I don't know dick about Elden Ring so could you break form and call Maiden of the Night or do they have to be X Maiden?
She's got some long thighs and short shins
All valid criticisms, thank you
sure, “woman of the night” is slang for prostitute
>thread reminded me how much I loved drawing before my tablet broke
I think I'm going to buy another one
frick you guys
you should post your blog so that I can stalk
NOW
I don't have a blog.
I only post my art on Ganker.
I just want to be able to set up comfy or melancholic moments and scenes.
What’s with all the cloyingly sensitive angry morons in here?
I hate learning to draw so much but I enjoy drawing so I just scribble my garbage and enjoy it
do you think ai will replace artists?
No because of restrictions and inability to do specific things that don't already exist.
All the training in the world won't help it if it's prevented from doing anything "harmful" or inappropriate, and it only recycles existing images in its database without actually making new information.
of course not.
AI is a novelty
people do art because its something they could only make, no one with a creative bone could be satisfied with an AI
the entertainment industry doesn't need AI because the art a company needs for usable art is far to specific for any AI to really understand.
Maybe it could replace graphic designers
But only if your goal is to pump out as much crap as possible like an NFT goon could AI replace an artist
i find the self criticism looming over my mind with every picture i draw to be exhausting. it sucks the fun out of drawin’ for me these days.
What's the Paint SAI of animation software? Something simple to understand and doesn't have a trillion gadgets I need to memorize.
what are good inking styles to copy
Do any of you actually fap to your own work? Is it possible?
>anons never even heard of pygmalion
Have you ever drawn one handed? Cuz I have, lots.
I'm surprised OP made it out of pre-school