>dude lets make an arpg but without gold lmao
what the fricking shit frick were they fricking thinking?
>dude lets make an arpg but without gold lmao
>dude lets make an arpg but without gold lmao
what the fricking shit frick were they fricking thinking?
the currency system is one of the best things about the game you fricking clown
eat a dick goldless homosexual c**t shitter trash
The crafting currency thing is admittedly pretty cool, but the trading experience ruins everything. Chris also refuses to make a SSF mode that's actually playable.
i have only ever played ssf and enjoy the game a lot
temper your expectations and make do with what you get
I just wish they'd go all in on the "craft your own gear" thing and retool the game around it.
Make vendors sell every base in the game as a normal item, make their item level equal to whatever your highest boss kill was. It doesn't take long to find an 86 base once you get going, but it's a little tedious when you can't get something to drop.
Split currency into shards, ten shards to one currency item. Using currency on gear takes 1 shard per 10 item levels, so you don't have to feel like you're wasting chaos orbs on anything other than endgame items. Add in more chaos recipe-like vendor recipes so you can farm currency by picking up drops and selling them to vendors in specific ways.
It should be trivial to get any one single magic mod on an item, require a minimal amount of work to get two, and three only needs some currency investment to have a reasonable chance of success. The four, five, and six mod items should be the ones that are difficult to get, and tiered imprints should be available for any item that less than five mods.
that sounds too fun for the VISION
>So you don't feel like you're wasting chaos
I can' think of a single situation where you'd actually want to use chaos on items, unless it's SSF. Even for the yolo stuff you'd rather just use essences since they're just chaos but infinitely better since you're at least guaranteed one mod you actually want.
There are calculators for these kinds of things and hitting a decent item with chaos would take somewhere around 20 000, if you want to hit end-game items we're talking literal millions of chaos. You could be a dev and just make a stack of infinite chaos and you'd still statistically never be able to make a truly good item. The mod weightings are just too unfavorable.
If they were to remove lower mod tiers from high item level bases then it would help a lot, we still have heavy weighting trash mods like light radius and in general the fact that only about 5-10% of the mod pool will be relevant to your build anyway. The way it is now with lower tiers being in the mod pool even on max level item bases just means about 1% of the mods are relevant to you instead of 5-10%, and they have very low weight.
they had a system where you could go all in and it was incredibly fun and everyone loved it, except the people who hate casual players enjoying themselves because they're sociopaths, but in any case so of course they removed/butchered the system because god forbid players want to play whichever skills they wanted instead of the forced meta
>except the people who hate casual players enjoying themselves because they're sociopaths, but in any case so of course they removed/butchered the system
>let's create the problem to sell the solution
What's good about?
>lets not have gold
>instead we have rocks with different effects
>oh look people found rocks that are way too rare for their effect and so they are using them as currency
>let's add shops where players can buy stuff for theseas sinks
>lets balance their droprates not around their rffect but around the player economy built around it
It's literally gold with extra steps. And worse one to because at least with gold you won't get fricked by the dev team randomly deprecating your rocks
>at least with gold you won't get fricked by the dev team randomly deprecating
new to MMOs i see?
The economy is literally balanced around their effects
See: exalts and divines
Exalts were never in demand for their inherent effects, they were in demand for the crafting bench crafts.
Currency drops are literally balanced in real time against the entire server's clear speed for content. Like the game will only drop X amount of chaos, exalt, divine, etc. per hour, and this number is divided against the total number of mobs dying of each tier (Normal, magic, rare, unique).
This is why the game is going to shit, bots who rapidly clear high tier maps 24/7 frick with the drop rates for everybody, monopolizing the drops of the server to themselves, which gets sold on various RMT sites. Actual players can't get shit and GGG prefers this since they take a cut from RMT sites.
Evidence for this?
I read it on reddit
>buy our currency tabs goy
Currency exists as a way to cheapen the games loot driven experience into a series of microloots that need to be collected ad nauseum in order to earn "real loot". The game is driven entirely by slot machine addicted morons who in fact hate arpgs, and only want to collect chiclets like a bunch of fricking monkeys. The currency system and trade are the root cause of all friction and balance issues currently in the game
hi chris please kindly grow your hair back so you regain some IQ points as well
true
FPBP, although trade leagues are autistics.
SSF is fun though.
GGG gutted the dropping system before I could even try SSF.
the game absolutely shits out all kinds of currency, gear, fragments, etc.. like it's seriously ridiculous the amount of loot and shit you get compared to just a year or two ago, the amount of content you get on every single map you run for free for just clicking shit on your atlas tree is absurd compared to just a year ago. if you seriously think loot has been "gutted" at this point you drank the reddit snapow koolaid.
nice shilling gidf tard. Loot is still fricking awful early game and its even worse than last league now that they fricked with the rare loot conversion mechanics. I league started and quit becuase i was starved for chaos and chromes. Literally was just getting punched in the dick constantly scraping for progression with my build because currency drop rates are so shit so if you dont league start some metatard build youll just be completely fricked
i have never seen someone admit to getting filtered so hard
>lolol filtered
literally dont care game is shit. Im not farming expedition for 30 hrs in white maps and if you think thats acceptable for progression you deserve this game you homosexual
Just look at all the tradegays in this thread for proofs.
Absolutely mental.
Isn't gold fricking worthless in Diablo II and III?
Path of Exile giving currency practical uses keeps inflation from getting out of control and gives you something to do with the mountains of currency you will inevitably farm up.
>You fell for bait
I know
can't say for 3, but gold has some niche uses in 2 that require a vast amount
3 has several resource dumps and craft recipes which require gold. It's not a primary resource but it has value and you can absolutely run out and he inconvenienced.
Always wanted to get super into this but the desynch and frame drops were annoying
they fixed the desync with a complete network change back in, like 2015 or something. it did used to be borderline unplayable in 2013 and it's surprising the game didn't completely fail before it even started.
The only reason it didn't fail was because D3 was just THAT fricking shit and irredeemable and PoE was literally the only viable alternative at the time
No they didn't.
I installed the game recently, it's ass, your character just skips on the spot or pauses or suddenly hits fast forward into mobs and dies.
Online only ARPG is trash and everything against PC gaming. The game doesn't even have proper PC game settings. It feels like a bad console port.
Also possibly the worst looking game for how it runs on the planet.
Check your latency to the server (press F1) and if it's low then in options make sure it's in Lockstep mode.
I dropped PoE in 2013 due to the desync and picked it up again this year, it's definitely fixed.
Please, teach me how to get into this game. It's just so convoluted.
It's one of those games where you need to read a lot, watch many videos, tinker with 3rd party programs to theorycraft etc.
If that's not your cup of tea you might not have a good time.
There are several ways you can approach the game as a first time player :
- go in blind, play what the game gives you, inevitably fail at some point, go read a bit, try to come back with another character, etc.
- read stuff before and follow an easy build
Having friends that play the game helps a lot.
maxroll.gg has beginner guides which should be pretty good
Maybe /vg/ or /vm/ have a thread up as well ?
nah I'll play D3
People over-complicate this game, as with lots of other games, way too much. Just go in knowing your first build won't be some end-game farming über build that can do all content.
Either look up some videos of different build, find one that looks fun and copy that build, or if you refuse to use builds, pick a skill that looks fun, look at the damage type and use the search bar in the huge passive tree to find life nodes, main defense typ nodes and main damage nodes. Really isn't as hard as it's made out to be, it's just if you want to push end-game bosses that you have to have a solid grip on the mechanics.
For your character the core things you absolutely need on equipment/tree is:
>Max life
>Max resistances
>Main damage type (like % element type, poison, chaos, or flat damage for element)
And that's it for a basic build. That will at bare minimum take you to about yellow maps.
I started playing a couple months ago. The game HATES new players. It doesn't want new players. 98% of the critical information is not in the game, it's in wikis and 40 minute youtube videos by people who should never have a career in public speaking. You need to install and use 3-4 external tools to play it properly.
If you can survive those hurdles, there's an addictive 20-30 hours in there, after which you either drop it in disgust at the horrendous balance and design choices, or you're trapped in the maze of pulling a slot machine lever over and over again hoping to experience a microscopic amount of fun again.
>I started playing a couple months ago.
I feel sorry for you, you missed the glory days. When I joined a new patch was an exciting thing where we all talked about what new builds were possible and theorycrafted around the new skills. Now I dread the patch notes because I don't want them to further nerf player power. Oh, you said you wanted unique weapons to be good? There you go, but we also made them mageblood rarity lmao.
t. started in incursion
>I feel sorry for you, you missed the glory days.
Yeah it sucks, I started in Sentinel and barely knew what I was doing, didn't even really use sentinels and got to like yellow maps. The first league I actually got to the endgame properly was Kalandra, widely regarded as the worst league of all time. This one doesn't seem much better tbh.
I feel sorry for you.
You will NEVER be able to play the builds that made this game well know.
The sad thing is that it's STILL the best ARPG on the market right now. As much as I hope D4 is better, there's no way it'll happen.
The patch is okay, the economy is in a decent state if you ignore the league mechanic completely
The league mechanic is painful
don't
trust me
do not
Seriously bad fricking idea.
This game is designed to maze you. Like, it is engineered from the ground up to rot your brain until you unironically enjoy how mazed you are.
You run through the story mode. It takes you about 30 hours. You get your first maps. Then chris wilson owns your soul and wallet forever, because if you run that map, then you won't ever escape. You won't even notice that 300 hours later you grind for six hours a day for a 10% increase in your dps and survivability so that you can run the uber uber uber version of the uber boss that you were just running, which drops fragments for the super turbo mega uber version which you will need to grind for another 500 hours to even stand a CHANCE of fighting and not being instantly killed by an auto attack. Meanwhile, you're watching youtube videos made by players who play the game for 16 hours a day with 5 extremely sweaty friends and one ''''friend'''' who is essentially a biological bot farm that sends all their items so that they can get an additional 0.04 maps per minute completed, and you'll be wondering why you can't progress as fast as they can. 1000 hours later, you realise that the game is balanced around that dude and you are essentially playing with eight broken fingers and with a blindfold on in comparison. Then you do it. You install discord. You join TFT. And you're lost, forever. There is no return.
Do not play this fricking game. I played this fricking game for 3000 hours and getting out was like quitting heroin. It took 12 months of GGG shitting into my screaming mouth to realise I didn't enjoy the taste and hadn't for a long, long time. Now I have nothing but my regrets and this advice for you: Do not play Path of Exile.
but i NEED a loot arpg and i have already played diablo2/3 and torchlight and titan quest
play grim yawn
No! This genre is fricking awful! You need to stop, anon, you need to realise that these games are all shit and cause severe brain rot. ARPGs are hostile to the concept of fun gameplay, they all become mindless progression simulators in the end.
It's old but Dungeon Siege 2 had a really interesting direction. I recommend it.
Joke's on you, Chris. I absolutely hate the game, but some damaged part of my brain keeps convincing me that playing this shit for a couple hundred hours every league is preferable to trying to figure out my shit life.
So, who's laughing now, Todd Howard? Wait, can you guys smell toast?
Yeah I really feel like buying D4 after reading this, thanks for your input and I hope the ,04$ from my reply makes your day better pajeet
Don't play D4 either you moron, it will probably be even worse. Blizzard is incapable of making good games since like, what, mid 2000s?
Stop playing ARPGs. These games are all shit.
Just don't play it like a job then you moron, play it casually... is what I would suggest if ggg didn't keep fricking making that more impossible with every patch.
I haven't even bothered playing since ultimatum really because it's just not fun anymore.
PoE is one of the most casual hostile games I have ever seen. If you don't play it like a job, it just shits on you even harder. There are no casual PoE players because the game beats you over the head until you either embrace the mental illness and grind, or leave.
thank you for putting into words what I couldn't for the longest time, my time played is nowhere near close to yours but finally quitting felt like a huge weight of my shoulders
frick this game and frick the bald moron
t. 900hrs
I have like 15,000 hours in PoE. Sure, a good chunk of that is just AFKing or leaving the game running all the time, but most of it is actual playtime since beta. And I don't regret any of it, because it was fun. I literally had a whole streaming career where I was playing PoE on my other monitor in secret while doing stuff with people.
The only thing I regret is that I had to get so invested in a game run by such incompetent morons that they would turn it into something I no longer can enjoy because their "vision" for the game is just to make it unplayable and unfun.
This, t 4k+ hours, and this game expects you to play it more than I did to get anywhere, spoilers, you can't. For you to get furthert than me you have to play it like a job and have bot farmers on call with an autistic guild.
you are better off cutting your hands off, unironically lost ark values your time more ass an arpg krmmo. If that doesn't alarm you you deserve what comes next.
nah bro I think you were just bad at the game. game is ok but don't act like you have play all day everyday to get what you need
>mad cuz bad
>when the game is balanced around 1% streamer autists
>when 99% of builds don't work without tier 0 items
>when you have to grind your life away to get even a fraction of currency
>when the only things that scale into endgame without huge investment is totems, mines and spells
>implying you don't need to grind to get into red maps
nah you didn't play the game, or you're one of those mazed morons that can't accept the slot machine nature of chris's trap.
I got out, won't be going back, most people have followed suit, and you will be alone soon.
>You run through the story mode. It takes you about 30 hours.
Holy lmao, I stopped reading there. Go back to Diablo 3 you shitter.
Yes, we're all very impressed that you can clear the story in under 5 hours after having run through it 50+ times.
But a casual player, who isn't speed running it, who is clearing side areas, who is spending currency during the acts, who is fricking clueless about his build and will probably restart at least once due to hitting a brick wall with Kitava or whatever, will take a lot longer. You moron.
He's talking about a completely new player who has no idea about anything in the game you mushroom. Yea 30 hours is a hyperbole but I can definitely see it being around ~20.
A new player is going to run into all sorts of walls a regular player doesn't even think about. Overlevelling gems and switch boots without realizing you're now missing dex and 4 gems are now disabled. Going melee with a 2-link through the entire campaign. Not knowing about the res debuff at end of first Kitava and dying non-stop afterwards without understanding what's going on. Not knowing to maximize movespeed (with flask) and have travel skills asap. Not knowing shit about map layouts so they spend an extra 15 min cleaning out every single campaign map, even those without any sort of objective in them. Doing every single side-quest.
Stuff like that will easily add 10's of hours to something as simple as finishing campaign.
subhuman spotted
Jesus you must be shit at this game, every time I play a league Ive finished all the content including uber bosses after 2-3 weeks. Probably isnt taking me more than ~100-150 hours.
>every time I play a league Ive finished all the content including uber bosses after 2-3 weeks
Oh yeah, we're all sure you're just stacking 40/40 totems. Absolutely.
Im not gonna claim I do it with some obscure ass builds because I dont. I value my time and play meta. Not totems though
>Not totems though
So you play the game up to Uber Elder, which is a trivial fricking task, you DON'T get any totems, and you claim you've done all the content?
homie you're playing the tutorial and bragging about it.
What? I have no clue what youre talking about. I said I finish all the content including the new content in 2-3 weeks of playing the league. What the frick does totems have to do with it moron
>What the frick does totems have to do with it moron
Alright, you've never played the game at all.
Oh lmao my bad I understand now, you meant the golden 40/40 hideout totems, I thought you meant I did it with totem builds.
And no who the frick cares about those achievement totems, doing all the content does not equal doing all 40 achievements. You can do all the new league content, all the new endgame content, all the uber bosses and invitations and be at like 20/40 or something. It doesnt mean shit.
You clearly have no idea what the frick you are talking about.
So you're saying you played the game at least 5 hrs a day every day in some cases probably closer to 12 and think this is a good investment of your time?
lots of projection in here
i just play for 50-100 hours once a year or something no discords or whatever
same, this is the logical thing to do
>.t "only" 600 hours played since 2015
Ive never even killed uber versions of the bosses though but I generally get fricking bored around the time I get to red maps or gear becomes too expensive for me to care about aiming for it and the most currency Ive ever had in a single league was 100~ exalt
there is something in my lizard brain that enjoys doing chaos recipe for some reason though
Mentally ill mazed homosexual I can't believe you enjoy the game without playing the top 1 meta build and farming all the uber bosses for three months each league like it's your job
The currency and crafting system, together with the gems are the good things about this game
gold is useless in aprgs and mmos
that said, chris wilson is a bald moron who is mismanaging the game, and the balance team especially is making the game worse and worse
I can't believe how simple some of the problems are to fix, but they refuse to do, particularly in regards to skill balance.
Just buff 50 of the terrible skills by an arbitrary large amount, and the playerbase would be so much happier
>Start playing, make up your own shit, understand linking gems, ascendance, local vs global damage and see how far you get
You will hit a hard wall pretty soon, but possibly learn a lot if you google whatever questions pop up during playing
>Follow a meta build guide, like Explosive Arrow with Path of Building, Awakaned PoE Trade and breeze through the game until you hit yellow/red maps
The game is in a better state than last league, and miles ahead of Diablo/Torchlight, but frick me if it isn't frustrating as hell to see the direction its going
>Please, teach me how to get into this game.
You don't. Should have got into it like 5-6 years ago. It has passed its zenith and currently no downward trend regarding quality of content it offers, only unseemly decline lies ahead.
Just play.
If you fail during campaign, decide what kind of dmg you're using and how you're going to mitigate dmg (health/energyshield/dodge).
That should carry you through campaign.
After that read into builds and shit.
People will claim POE is somehow magically complex (and while math behind scenes can be that) in the end the game boils down to:
1. How you deal damage
2. How you handle being hit
3. What kind of specific gear you need (uniques, specific stats etc.)
Follow a guide, and if you hit a system you dont like or understand, dont do it. I started a few leagues ago and when I hit stuff like Heist or Delve I instantly got super fricking lost and spent hours messing with them instead of just finishing the acts.
You also 100% need a few third party tools, Path of Building makes following your guide much easier and most are broken down into level ranges and basically tell you exactly what to do at certain points. Filterblades loot filter is a must, start with Semi-strict. I also like Awakened PoE trade for checking the price on stuff.
For a build you want to look up a "league starter", basically a low investment build to carry you to endgame. Some common ones are Pohx's Rightetous Fire Juggernaut which is a tank with fire AoE, or Enki's Arc Witch which is like a chain lightning sorc from d2.
its literally impossible to get into the game by yourself since the game itself withholds a significant amount of information that is only available through third party resources, so if you really want to start playing, just watch video guides and eventually after you watch and do enough builds, it'll make sense to you
even if you follow a "meta" guide step by step you'd still get fricked by rng and the tedious grind.
but the game has a lot of content, A LOT.
I played since the beta and "only" have 360+ hours but I can tell you that you don't need to learn anything, just install PoB and follow whatever meta build that is popular at the time.
despite what people make it seem, the game actually plays better if you turn off your brain and just play
youll learn by necessity a step at a time
just type poe 3.20 build on youtube, pick something and follow the instructions. Most of what other people are complaining about you won't even run into before 60-70 hours of playing for a fresh player
It's not convoluted at all, it's an endless +0.0000000001 stat hunt simulator, aka a waste of your fricking time, go play better games
>It's just so convoluted.
the bald bastard wouldn't want it any other way. Play the game, pay the bots get banned and rant on Mircronesian websites about how the game is rigged against you.
pick a skill gem
pump it’s damage type
maybe get some life nodes
congrats you beat the game
now farm for jolly rancher currency and buy your gear from other people because you will not make it to end game based on random drop luck if you don’t play the game for 100 hours a week
>make a shit build then farm 100 hours a week to brute force to the endgame
Funny thing is I'm sure most of the people in this thread do this exact thing
>Follow a meta build and cut that 100 hour grind down to a manageable 90. Or purchase overpriced gear tailored to your build that everyone else is playing as well
>Make a shit build and just brute force it with good enough gear through the aforementioned 100 hour grind/trade.
>Spend more hours learning PoE's mechanics and labbing your build out than you intend to play during the league to have a serviceable off-meta build.
Pick your poison
I pick the third option.
You forgot
>pick 1 of 3 skill gems that still work
It was made with the practical function of Diablo II's economy in mind. Gold had next to no value, but certain items dropped from monsters were sought after because of their ability to be used in recipes in the horodric cube, namely the ability to reroll rare attributes on items.
This was exactly what PoE leaned into, replacing the cube and the ingredient items with explicit currency that achieves the same goal. Chaos Orbs, having the ability to reroll rare items just like in D2, became the de facto standard of currency in PoE, with all other currency being measured against it. The game expects you to take this currency and use it on basic items to turn them into the useful items you need, and although a "perfect" item with the stats you want may exists, you often have to settle for something that's only 80% perfect or 90% perfect.
This isn't actually a bad system, but PoE's drop rates are balanced against bots farming them, so for the average joe you'll never acquire enough currency to really feel satisfied except with the bare minimum needed to finish the game. This is why there's such a strong meta on builds, because players need builds that come online early with fewer items so they can more quickly farm good items--normal builds farm too slowly to power themselves up.
Except chaos orbs ability to reroll is basically worthless. It actually derives it's value purely from being the agreed on form of currency, and some from shops like the map device
Chaos has value from crafting recipes and buying maps from Kirac at league start
That's what I said
These are shops
It's gold, but worse
tbh if you're going to have gold you might as well just make potions/itens in general free once you've beaten the game on normal.
>Dogshit currency simulator
>Terrible moment-to-moment gameplay
>Consistently awful leagues
>Bad itemisation
>Lack of interesting builds
>Character building is boring and tedious
So why is this game better than D3 again?
an easy feat
Found a Grace Aul's Uprising yesterday
Too bad Chris is an autist and even with this truckload of currency it's insanely hard to even enjoy the game which frankly might be because my build fricking sucks
It is better now than it was last league though, and I like the league mechanic
I like the trading system
>@boomerado Hi, I would like to buy your Tabula Rasa Simple Robe listed for 8 chaos in Sanctum (stash tab "sell"; position: left 10, top 7)
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>@ukraineforever Hi, I would like to buy your Tabula Rasa Simple Robe listed for 8 chaos in Sanctum (stash tab "sell"; position: left 10, top 7)
>@whitesshouldntexist Hi, I would like to buy your Tabula Rasa Simple Robe listed for 8 chaos in Sanctum (stash tab "sell"; position: left 10, top 7)
>@dicky Hi, I would like to buy your Tabula Rasa Simple Robe listed for 8 chaos in Sanctum (stash tab "sell"; position: left 10, top 7)
>@oldman69 Hi, I would like to buy your Tabula Rasa Simple Robe listed for 8 chaos in Sanctum (stash tab "sell"; position: left 10, top 7)
wow, so fun
>buying a tabula
what the ever living frick
Scroll down
i've hit page down like 15 times for an item more than once, chief.
>hcssfbtw
I can hit act 8-9 with enough to get a tabula, and rarely do i get it to drop, and frick farming blood city river
Aarming a tabula is a thing of the past. A well rolled 5L is much better, especially for HC.
i was mocking him, a tabula sets me up for any alt going forward, is cheap, and is handy untill you can snag a useful chest, especially when that's another 30 whispers.
also lel@hc players
let me guess. You, Isaac Shekelstein want a auction house.
Stop lowballing and maybe you'll actually get someone to sell you one
outragegays trying so hard to meme everything they see in their twitter feed is so fricking embarassing
Dude
No AH? No play! 😉
Terrible Diablo clone that doubled down on all that bad shit about D2 and none of the sovl of D1
Making the combat just speed speed click boom slot machine is gay as frick. I'm glad ARPG split into Isometric and true ARPG directions when Demon's Souls absolutely mogged the entire landscape.
If Fromsoft ever decided to make Isometric ARPG Blizzard/GGG/Whoever would be absolutely assblasted. They never will though, so relax
>doubled down on all that bad shit about D2 and none of the sovl of D1
This is exactly what's fundamentally wrong about PoE and can never be fixed, they learned all the wrong lessons from the wrong players and invented scientific methods to remove all the soul out of D2. If that wasn't bad enough, all the other games in genre like Grim Dawn do the exact same mistake too.
Diablo clones are the most fricking cursed genre of videogames to exist, because even all the indie attempts are just copies of everything wrong with with D2.
I can't see a Fromsoft isometric working at all. A big part of why the souls series feels cool to play is the vertically of the levels and movement + attack timing being your gameplay.
If you apply the movement principle to arpg's all you get is "avoid the red circle" gameplay of some PoE bosses and all Lost Ark bosses. It's fine as a gimmick for a couple of enemies but it becomes boring very fast.
The souls games also work the way they do because skill is such a huge component to fluid gameplay, shown by how you can beat the entire game at level 1 with the starter weapon. That's directly anti-ethical to arpg gameplay were everything is about gear and skill-tree progression. They're simply mutually exclusive, you can't make gear and looting meaningfully matter if the baseline character is strong enough to beat the game.
Why does that bald frick hate melee so much, bros?
What ever this game had going for it, it is definitely gone for quite some time.
>dude lets make an arpg but it's not fun lmao
what the fricking frickballs were those frickers thinking?
who pays you guys for that obvious smear campaign against poe? honestly
PoE has an extremely devoted hatewatcher audience because GGG has alienated so many people over the years.
I do it for free.
>DUDE, your payment is blue crab legs.
BALD FAT moron
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There is technically some currencies that operate like gold, like the kalguran shit
If only those weren't account locked because the average's redditor finger gets tired his they have to click more thn 20 times
>his they have
you ok bro bro you ok?
I mean "if they have to click more than 20 times"
nah you fine bro you fine
PoE was, for a good couple of years, unironically the perfect game. It had the best combination of things that any possibly player type could want, it had the hyper min-maxing, it had the ridiculous experimenting with builds and creating unnatural combinations that shouldn't make sense but do, it had challenging content that let you always push yourself a little harder with always something new to try and do, it had the economy to stack currency to the ceiling if you wanted to, it had the crafting to leave people chasing that perfect item, etc. It was fricking amazing.
And yet for some reason, GGG changed their minds. Instead of understanding that what makes the game fun is when mechanics shit out loot, everyone has access to drops, and currency and items are flowing into the economy to enable people to do things, GGG started believing that the game is better when there's less loot, when monsters beat the shit out of you in one swing, and defensive mechanics are nerfed to shit. They started wanting the game to be slower, but also more lethal with normal encounters in leveling zones feeling like bosses, but also dropping nothing. And for some reason, they started tuning new league mechanics to be literally as unrewarding as possible.
I don't know why. I can't fricking figure it out, but GGG just stopped understanding their own game.
MY GAME
MY VISION
I've been with the game since the start, I've played almost every league (before the modern era, I think I skipped one or two), and my genuine opinion is that Chris actually has no vision for the game, he has no idea what the frick he's doing and just doesn't care.
Look, here's what I mean; When the league after Sentinel was coming out, Chris said teasingly that they were doing a lot of changes with a big reward/loot overhaul, and his exact words were "Get your magic find characters ready." Now this doesn't mean much to most people, it's just a joke and hahaha obviously do the thing to get more loot!
But anyone who has played PoE since older leagues know that actually, Chris fricking HATES magic find. He's said as much, and in fact he literally is the one who made the decision to completely phase basically all magic-find stats out of the game years ago. He completely removed Item Quantity from gear years back and has been slowly phasing out and nerfing the values of Rarity on gear ever since to the point where IIQ and IIR functionally don't exist at all outside of inherent values to things like maps. So him saying "Get your magic find characters ready" is a lot like, say, a politician passing a law banning carrying any sort of weapons, and then saying "Crime is on the rise, so be prepared to defend yourself." You fricking can't, because they removed that. And Chris knows it, because he fricking did it.
They are way too obsessed with the economy. They're terrified of people actually being able to achieve goals. GGG believes that people will quit immediately if they ever achieve their goals, and thus they won't participate in the economy any more.
They're afraid of people being able to easily acquire items because it will destroy their vision of PoE as this weird fricking economy simulator where you have to literally play it like it's a job and earn chaos/hour in order to be allowed to do fun things.
They would solve almost every problem by just shooting anybody in their office that says the word 'economy' in the head immediately before they can finish their thought.
>They're terrified of people actually being able to achieve goals.
>3.13 where it was possible to craft your gear
>reached my goals with far more ease than usual due to not having to rely on luck
>played that league for longer than usual because I was actually having fun 36 challenges done and killing end game bosses with decent speed on a build I had made
They don't understand their players it's so fricking frustrating, they do however know how to milk morons for their money which is all that seems to matter to game devs
The Vision is clear. Make the game harder, make the game slower.
>GGG just stopped understanding their own game
They never understood it, Ritual era was a complete accident
Well they made the best ARPG ever, so clearly whatever it was it was right.
this league's mechanic is complete shit
The last 10 leagues have all been complete shit.
Sentinel was good
PoE is hilarious example of devs not understanding what exactly makes their game good, because they made it good by accident. Moreover, it seems that they are partially aware of that, and this caused them to develop surreal resentment towards state of the game and towards players who provide them with profits. It's not unique unfortunately, there are many such cases in video game industry in particular, of developer for some reason being butthurt towards its own player base and having some weird entitlement for it, as if it's customers' livelihoods depend on him and not the other way around. Well, at least it had a good run.
I miss when you could actually play with other people at a reasonable pace with being blinded by sfx.
This is exactly how it has felt for a while. It's such a fricking simple concept; Players want to kill bosses and get lots of loot, and in order to kill bosses and get lots of loot and do their challenges to earn cosmetics, the players need the league mechanics to drop loot for them to craft, sell, and build with. So the simple equation is mechanics drop more loot = players can make their builds more easily or make more profit = players stay engaged longer and the league retains numbers = GGG makes more money.
But GGG wants exactly the opposite. They want everything to feel like shit, because I guess they think that if everything is slower, more painful, and less rewarding...somehow players are just going to bite the bullet and keep playing and paying them money? Despite the fact that league retention has been cratering every single league for the last year or more AND their leagues are getting more stupidly complex and taking longer to develop.
They have no idea what actually makes their game good, and I think it's just because no one who made it good either works there or cares anymore.
What fricking ARPG has gold that actually functions as currency
PoE's currency makes sense because it has value due to its' usefulness. Things that are more useful are more used, and thus more in demand, and thus more valuable to trade. And while things do accumulate, generally value is kept stable due to the crafting process using the valuable items and thus removing them from circulation.
Gold makes no sense because you can just endlessly generate it, so the only way to sink it out of the economy is to add in ever-more-massive purchases designed to just blanket eliminate swathes of it. Otherwise, you're just trading infinitely stacking resources.
I'm surprised how criticized Days Gone's EULA was, and rightfully so, but I haven't heard a single complaint about CCPath of Exile's.
PoE threads really show how much of Ganker is just redditors these days.
>nooo muh vision, stop having a clear design goal for your game and listen to the whims of the screeching softcore trade moron masses instead!!
You are not entitled for customers playing your shit, bald fricking moron.
Try typing that again in a way that makes sense, ESL.
>stop having a clear design goal
What is that goal and how is it clear? If I build a staircase in my house, and it works perfectly fine and it lets me get up and down every day, and then one day I decide to take a sledgehammer to one of the stairs, so now it is slower and more annoying to get up and down because I have to avoid this fricking stair I just intentionally smashed, sure I had the "goal" to break the staircase since I went out of my way to do it, but it sure as frick isn't clear to anyone (except me maybe) WHY.
Pay attention to interviews and development manifestos and you'll find out.
Now explain how listening to you morons screeching about how you want the game to be easier with more loot faster would improve the video game.
>buzzwords buzzwords buzzwords
Änd you're still a redditor.
NTA but GGG is incredibly inconsistent with their own vision, which is why so many people are confused.
They're only slowing down progression, not actual gameplay. The skills doesn't have slower animations, skills are all still 0 cd.
The monsters are completely untouched, removal of rares with haste aura made them a bit slower but in general monsters have only become stronger.
Again, the only thing they've slowed down is progression, when what they say they want to do is slow down gameplay. You have to either accept that they are completely incompetent, or they're straight up lying about the goal they're saying they want to achieve.
They're careful about slowing things down to where they don't feel fun anymore; adding cooldowns to skills would just feel like shit. They've successfully made boss fights slower and are experimenting with telegraphed slower enemies again.
Any talk about slowing down gameplay is pointless as long as they have 0 cd skills as the standard. That's just a fact.
If they make animations slower players will just start stacking attack speed/cast speed on everything (even more than they're already doing) to counteract it.
They would have to do a complete remake of skills and combat (including enemy speed) if they wanted to legitimately slow it down.
going with the cope bullshit of calling anything you disagree with a "reddit argument" is fricking abominable and immediately outs you as a spineless parrot. you have no real argument or defense of the game, you never did
i bet you're a fricking quin viewer too
>Baldo
>Clear design goals
>Stick to your guns no matter how bad your ideas are, what could go wrong
>That iceberg doesn't look that big anyway
>62k players playing 20 minutes ago
I'm sure listening to anonymous SC trade player #052719 saying "muh vision, give me muh loot and ez builds you fat moron" would really fix this dead game.
As we all know having vision for your product is bad and listening to the brainlet masses is the way to go.
>Player count has been stagnant for years
Healthy game though!
Very healthy!
>he believes in both "listen to the masses" AND endless growth
This guy's got some real winner ideas
No, I believe in having a vision
I just also believe that Chris Wilson is a moron who doesn't understand his own game
What's wrong with SSF HC
so PoE suffered what Warframe did in the end
Path of exile is a massive money laundering operation, don't play it.
take your meds
Fun Fact! Not a lot of people know this, but it's 100% true, in the game for a number of years there was actually an ongoing race that was never publicized or talked about anywhere in the game UI or anything like that. Every single day, the person who ran the Lab the fastest would be rewarded with a special socket israeliteel, it was a completely unique item that couldn't have been gotten in any other way in the game, so it was pretty rare to ever see them on the market.
GGG never really talked about the Lab race or encouraged anyone to join in or compete for the best time, despite the fact that, again, it happened literally every single day. You know why they didn't talk about it? Because literally every single day, the same guy won the race. He was a dude with a special PC setup running the game in RAM so he could load it faster than other players, and probably a bunch of other shit on top of that.
Anyway the punchline is the guy won the race every single day, and GGG gave him the item every single day, and then he sold the item to RMT trader websites every single day. For like 5 years before they stopped doing the race.
>that kid who makes shit up for (You)s
cringe.
Oh I remember that
It's worse than that actually, if you follow the RMT money trace the biggest and oldest of them just happens to end up in New Zealand.
100% that GGG or some people who work for them gets a cut of the main RMT channels to let them keep going.
Why are you not on poeg?
I haven't been there in over a year, its full of obsessed larpers who act as god gamers and belittle other people while they buy uber lab & boss carries.
And that indie game shill got pretty annoying as well.
only good thing about /poeg/ is that you find out what the ingame chat is called and then spending time reporting your fellow anons for foul language.
it's always fun playing count how many gamer words they can spell before they get nuked
>hates bad faith traders, hates how blaster cuckolds will ignore you in a map/temple/whatever, hates having to repeat the @frickboy loop 10+ more times to find the thing he wants
I don't need an AH, you spergs would have a nice day out of spite to ruin it, i just want the ability to trade either way with reduced friction, no multi loading screens and find out he's a broken bot who opens trade, closes trade and kicks me before i get what i want, no "map 1 minute" before he fricks off to porn hub, just "hey, i want to buy your item for the price listed, beep boop thank you for your custom" smoothness for both of us.
You WILL look at loading screen because you MUST see other player in person to look at his MTX
M Y G A M E
Would be great if there was just in game listings, you messaged for an invite and then just used their in hideout shopkeeper to get the item without waiting for them. Not sure why they can't just do that and Gove everyone a shop stall with cadiro or something
Mention of MTX is not a fricking joke. Main reason why would anyone bother buying any of those utterly tasteless garish cosmetics that only asiatic or gypsy would like, is to show other players they did. Therefore it is of utmost importance to force player to see other players. You generally don't visit town areas and stay in your HO, so your main opportunity for that is seeing players you trade with. Which means it will never, ever goes away, they may as well just shut whole game down.
By the way this is also why they were so obsessed with heist having shared hub, even though its original implementation was breaking league and they begrudgingly removed it, but then forced programmers work over time to implement it back as shared area - it's one more place to look at MTX.
You WILL look at those MTX GOY.
Be glad they're forcing you terminally-online incels to have even the slightest taste of social interaction
Why not have a fricking town square with a bunch of random shops for different types of trades. Your listing go into the pool of a trader for currency/weapons/etc and instead of picking them up at hideout you drop them off at shopkeep and the other player picks them up at shopkeep.
>but much hideout mtx
I've seen enough pedo anime thanks chris
>take your meds
You'll all be disposed of eventually, you're all just pawns.
But don't forget to buy the latest supporter pack though, oh and a new gg bow just popped up in Varga's shop, now be a good boy and swipe yourself a mirror or you'll miss the latest crazy build.
>Sir you're a redditor! Redeem league and supporter pack sir!
This shit is in every single poe discussion on Ganker, and on /vg/ as well, and there are literally never any actual arguments to back anything up, just repeating that like a broken record. This is fricking hilarious that bald moron not just hired some indian or SEAmonkey for scraps to damage control on the internet, but also didn't provide him with any reasonable guidelines of how to shill properly.
Apparently it attempts to shame or guilt trip people into playing poe or something lmao. Just imagine insane level of delusion and entitlement that bald moron has, if he thinks something like this is convincing.
Do you really think anyone needs you to play PoE
Yes, this shitty clicker needs players, and bald fricking moron can't stop crying about muh player retention. Are you going to deny that?
Well, there obviously won't be any endless growth, it will go under sooner or later like any similar project, but apparently they would rather have "sooner", which we all currently observe.
You've been posting this every league for years.
Gonna go under any day now, right
Chris knows that trade is the cancer that kills all MMOs and ARPGs, but he needs the tradebrainlet money to keep his dream game alive.
One day he'll finally figure out a way to make trade function as it was originally meant to be from the days of Diablo 2 before third-party trading israelites raped it to death. Ruthless is the first attempt at this.
Then why make game about trade? As Grim dawn, game made by actual indie company of like 10 people, shows you can perfectly make game without one. It's reasoning as nonsensical one should be more logical than that even in case of being bald fricking moron.
MAJOR SPOILER
Because there is no "vision", it's PR bullshit. Bald fricking moron just attempts to make skinnerbox more predatory to increase his profits, however his entire plan for that is based on asiatic psychology papers that he reads, and we all know how asiatics see shit like that. And it happened that he grossly overestimated just how much people are addicted to his shitty clicker and how much of getting shat on they will tolerate before they say "frick it" and go play better games.
Because like 99% of people play trade and they would not be able to develop the game at its current scale without trade.
All those morons choose to play a shitty israeli gamemode that's open to third-party interference and then they get mad about it, but those morons make up the majority of their income.
Then make game not built around trade as core mechanic you bald fricking moron. How about that? You won't even need to run servers for it, you just make offline game, release it and sell it, maybe add player-hosted MP for those into that and it's ready.
But alas, it will apparently not be as profitable as running quasi-MMO skinnerbox and selling MTX every update, so that's no-no.
There is no "dream". There is no "vision". Baldo just wanted to make money using medium he's familiar with. Nothing bad or reprehensible about that, and it even worked for extended period of time.
However apparently his mental capacities deteriorated to clinical moronation level after all those own farts he inhaled, and he got way too greedy. What happened in 3.15 was attempt to drastically extend play time average player spends per league. 40% slower player, means player needing 40% more time to do things he came to play league for. Considering that bald moron believes profits arithmetically depend on time player spends in game, that means 40% decrease to player speed is fat 40% MORE multiplier on all GGG profits from launching league.
If he weren't a moron he'd take player reaction into account, however success (which came to him mostly by accident considering his game designers don't understand game they make) and entitlement got to his head, and he genuinely thought that players will just take it like a b***hes because had them like if they're opiate addicts. Alas, this didn't happen.
The game isn't built around trade as a core mechanic. SSF is the way the game is meant to be played.
It's absolutely not. SSF is an autistic nightmare. Having to play for 600 hours to obtain an endgame boss unique is not good design.
If the game were balanced around SSF then all drop rates would be 10x higher, at least.
Rare uniques are not meant to be something you can rely on getting at all in SSF
...Then the game isn't designed around SSF, you absolute blithering moron. You counter your own fricking argument. Get the frick out of here. Fricking imbecile.
>rare items are rare so you can't play SSF
How absolutely arbitrary
Well, let's see you strictly proving your statement that game is designed around SSF without someone else's arbitrary definitions. We will even pretend, that devs saying
didn't happen.
It is the most fun way to play the game and the developers themselves play SSF HC.
I'm not seriously saying that they don't consider trade when making decisions, but SSF HC is the most mechanically refined gameplay experience. Trade is a fricking mess in comparison which is why tradegays are always crying about something or other.
>It is the most fun way to play
This is not strict proof, this is your arbitrary opinion pulled out of your own ass.
Post your SSF HC character.
My proof is start playing SSF HC and you'll stop being eternally butthurt about things which aren't a factor in SSF HC.
Post your current SSF HC character
>things which aren't a factor in SSF HC
>Just ignore this part of game bro it wont matter*~~))
I'm already well ahead of you and ignored whole game, however I still can't help but enjoy gloating at morons who are still mazed and can't quit it. However considering your claims about playing HC, you did kick it, because nobody in their right mind except streamer clowns actually plays pedalcore in this day and age.
If you play ssf, you have a defeatist mindset, and do so to remove yourself from a pseudo perceived competition. You cope by saying that you are enjoying it, that you are now free to use currency, but you know deep down that using currency is a waste, and ssf is pure cuckoldry that tunnels you into meta builds and absurd hours of grinding if you want to go anything but meta. It's a mode solely for racing, streamers, and neets who want to prolong the time to not think about their lives.
>This is the game mode game is built around
>Game's content, one with some of most interesting gameplay mechanics locked behind it at that, is inaccessible in this mode, unless you somehow hit multiple low odds slot machine rolls in a row
The chutzpah of this fart addicted moron
Rare loot is a huge factor of this type of game. You might never see a headhunter in your life, which makes it a lot more satisfying and impactful to your character when you do get one.
The ease of trade has rotted your brain.
>The ease
Black person what? Ease of what exactly? Everyone knows this game is solvable by builds that can work while wearing random rares you picked up from the floor, because it's this unbalanced. People do not play this shit to kill current content for 2387456th time, people play it to make different builds to play with.
And you can make countless different builds in SSF. You just don't have complete freedom which adds another layer of difficulty which certain people enjoy.
>And you can make countless different builds in SSF.
Post your SSF cospri ice spear occultist.
>another layer of difficulty
If you are so "skilled" in "layer of difficulty" that poe offers, you should be filthy rich from playing slot machines in casions all day.
I do not currently have Cospri's Malice. It is a rare unique that you can not rely on getting in SSF.
Do casinos have a lot of build planning around limited gear?
>you can make countless different builds in SSF
>well except those which you can't make bro by the way most of actually fun builds making this game worth playing fall in this cathegory
Why are you eating shit moron
Yes? Makes it more fun when I get a Cospri's Malice and can make a build around it. That's part of why you'd keep playing, for a chance to see rare loot that you can then do stuff with.
I still have countless builds available even starting at zero gear.
>I'm going to eat shit for half a year before slot machine gives me enough to have normal experience with the game, THEN entertainment will start for me
>Therefore I am superior to those putting it together few day after game starts, enjoying what game has to offer to them, and moving on with their lives
Insane Black person with no respect for his own free time, having audacity to teach other what's fun. Kys.
But I am enjoying myself. I don't need a Cospri's Malice to have fun.
Your brain is rotten.
Take a break from your screen exploding cast on crit build guides and play a melee Juggernaut now and then.
I would rather just not play this game at all, it is horrible skinnerbox bullshit designed not to excite you, but to numb you, and then drip feed you dopamine until there is only the endless grind.
Not the guy you replied to but you just described most MMOs and ARPGs ever. Maybe the genre is just not for you.
You are beginning to understand
Perhaps eventually you, too, will escape from this abominable garbage
Last i checked these two weren't about an ever increasing grind. Or maybe you just played the wrong titles. Even poe wasn't about an ever increasing grind back then.
>play a melee
If I want to play melee I will jsut go play grim dawn because melee in it actually feels like hacking enemies with weapon and not like casting fireworks but with sword. Poe melee is a lost cause by definition of poe game design, and there are no reasons to bother with it other than pure contrarianism.
Take a deep breath. Read what you just wrote and tell me you're not a gambling addict with a straight face. Guaranteed, you'll never admit how much money you've thrown at this game. Your obsessive aggression, inept way of creating anything worth posting and just the overarching sloppy blowjob you're giving GGG is proof of that. You're a legitimate loser. Which is why I am at odds with this game. It's a loser game for losers. Enjoy grinding for minimal gains in pixels until your hands get arthritis.
>But I am enjoying myself
Because you're mentally ill mazed homosexual.
Poe's core gameplay feel is just fricking shit. It is outdated and it was already a hackjob even if it wasn't. Most of it is not even poe devs' fault but fault of flawed Diablo's isometric formula that binds both movement and aiming to mouse pointer. Poe however aggravated that by making positioning and precise movement very important factors.
What I'm saying is there are two criteria for build in poe to not feel unpleasant to play - ability to consistently deal full damage without mouse pointer on target, and ability to move and attack fast. Preferrably both.
People play
>minions
>DoT
>Cyclone triggered shit
Not because its meta but because it mitigates game formula issues. Obsession with speed is not because of muh zoom meta, but because this game is outright unpleasant to play under certain character speed values.
Unironically touch grass
You keep calling people mentally ill mazed homosexuals but you're the one needing to spend hours squeezing a droplet of fun out of a fricking video game
Go outside
>no u
Poe game formula, or rather diablo game formula is shit, deal with it moron. Poe meta is a result of people trying to skip parts that make it shit because they want to enjoy adjacent parts of the game which are (or used to be) worth it, although there are apparently some minority of deviants who would rather force themselves to eat it whole as a bizarre way to pad their ego. Pretty sure those are just LARPers though, because you still didn't prove you play current poe by posting your SSF HC character. Nobody claiming so does.
Go do something you enjoy you russian mongoloid.
Completely ass blasted over some russian anon destroying you here.
Take your meds moron, maybe russians under your bed will go away.
Although I'm still curious why are you shilling poe here if you don't even play it.
This is what PoE does to people
He is, literally, unironically, in the absolute strictest definition of the word, mazed.
>layer of difficulty
>it's complete RNG
Are you okay?
Having to rely on RNG loot isn't difficulty?
its not moron
>countless
Name 10 that get similar performance to seismic, spectral helix, rf, or ea
Why do they need to perform similarly to those? I'm not racing.
I'd say better but I know that's too high a bar to reach for you wienersuckers. Current era poe builds all feel like dogshit to play, so those builds represent the floor of acceptable performance for me
Glad I didn't burn out my dopamine receptors in my youth
But you did. That's why you keep playing this game
Pick up a football and don't jerk off for a month
I've done both of those things. That's why I no longer play poe 🙂
Now go get therapy for your obsession
Nice projection. We're in a video game board discussing video games. Are the Russian bots in the room with you right now, anon?
It's not healthy to be seething over things 24/7 like this anon. Move on.
More projection. I get it, in your mind thr internet is one person and you've spent the majority of your time in some incestuous hugbox for ggg. Its unthinkable that more than one person could dislike your precious game and its all the same guy making every post negative about the game, it just has to be!
Except it's not, and you're just moronic and not seeing reality for what it is - people who try this dogshit game hate it. Lots of people. Sweety please take your meds
Oh no, he's regressing; he's making up schizo shit to be mad about that literally no one said or implied.
>implies I'm seething 24/7 because I'm meming on a shit game I don't even play
>addicted freak lashes out because his community is a dumpsterfire
Kek. Pretty hilarious you can tell you brigaded this thread from vg or reddit. Ganker shits on garbage games all the time, yet no one gets accused of "seething 24/7" about the shit release state of pokemon or elden ring. Are you legit combing the Ganker catalog waiting for a chance to white knight your fricking game? Lol he's fricking doing it for free!
>You can't eat literal shit because your taste receptors are burnt by taste of delicious food! Shame on you! Glad I'm not like you and can enjoy delicious meal chris wolcen squeezed on my plate.
Just stop for a second and consider absolute state of people who shill poe in current year
>food analogy
The game used to be a Chinese buffet that tickled all kinds of flavours and was well liked by all gourmets around the globe. You could simply pick and choose from the vast amount of things and make yourself a super dish. Loved by anyone. But today you are served only one dish, and it's shit. It solely caters to the streamer homosexuals with deluded mind and taste. They have an eating disorder and will gobble down it anyway. Even insulting old guests while choking themselves.
The owner says he is still the same as he was back then, and that he caters to the old guests. But everyone sees how run down the place is, and he changed the five star Chinese restaurant to a five quid chinky. We went from soul food, to getting served literal shite. Here's your plastic fork, enjoy.
>You could simply pick and choose from the vast amount of things and make yourself a super dish. Loved by anyone.
I miss it bros.
>chris wolcen
Patently false given the fact that ggg themselves have stated their design goals are around trade as an obstacle
>SSF is the way the game is meant to be played.
Prove it by posting some of your SSF characters built around rare uniques as core items. Like cospri CoC ice spear, or something LL ES.
See
That's not how SSF is played. You don't build around rare uniques that you don't have. It's not trade where you can just farm currency and buy what you want, you use the loot you find.
GGG got fricked up and started thinking that the economy is actually important. They need to burn that shit to the ground because it is the cancer that is killing the game.
>make new league with new mechanics and rules as usual
>one of the rules is that not as much loot drops as before
>trade players go absolutely apeshit that they can't get their one divine to buy 0.001th percentile top level gear as quickly as before
>have to revert loot because trade players despite being mongoloids make up the majority of the playerbase
"reee I'm getting four scrimblo wimblos instead of eight my day is wasted" like homie it's a game you're wasting your time either way if you're not enjoying the gameplay like wtf go play standard or something go outside
>Loot globins are le good
>I MUST have the loot, I MUST play the meta
Bro you're going to be behind the streamers anyway just stop playing if you're getting this butthurt
>Mechanic is badly desgined and badly implemented, it is also one the reasons why people hate D3
>HURR DURR METAgay
Get some fresh air this is not healthy for you
I got a lot of fresh air during Kalandra (I skipped)
>Gee whiz I love playing this loot grinding game and getting no fricking loot
>Not having loot drop for me has improved my player experience immensely
>The number of builds that I can reasonably be expected to play has grown hugely now that all the builds which are actually good have been locked away
>Look, I have 10,000,000 shit builds that I can play!
You literally cannot play the game to completion without a currency farming strategy
People do that a few hours into every league.
No they do not
The loot problem wasn't even as much as no loot dropping as it was concentrating all the loot on certain mobs. Nothing dropped until your entire screen got showered in currency drops. It didn't feel smooth at all, especially at the start of maps.
The new way is much better with more loot throughout but if you still get the right conversions you can get loot showers.
How's the new league? I just dont have any games to play rn...
Overall game feels great atm, the league mechanic is alright but not a very good roguelite. It also is 500x easier on minion or totem builds and super shitty feeling as melee.
>all these mazed morons who have become trapped in Chris Wilson's death machine
It's pointless to tell something like that to this kind of drones, they've been buck broken by the whole "tedium is fun" shit and learned to love it, textbook Stockholm syndrome. Most prominent in gays who fell for SSF/HC/LGBT/Ruthless meme to huff their own farts on the internet and absolutely needed to learn to love acts with how much disregard devs have for this game mode and how often league mechanics kill them in most absurd and unfair ways because this is intended to produce funny steamer clips which contribute to game's promotion.
Thankfully, most of them are just pretending for (you)s.
I just wish I could skip the story.
If you ever played fiablo2 you'd know gold very quickly becomes almost completely useless, so this was a good move
D2 just didn't have enough gold sinks. If you were able to craft with gold, the situation would have looked differently.
>hit enemies until they die and make a satisfying sound
>currency chasing tradeisraelite who treats the game like a second job tells you that you're not having fun
any games like poe thats not diablo?
Grim Dawn is really good but mostly singleplayer without much replayability. Last Epoch is promising but still in Early Access.
having pleasure from being kicked in the nuts doesn't make you manly, it just means you have a cbt fetish
i know, just posted that because i thought marauder looks cute in it
>While you wasted you days at the gym in pursuit of vanity I cultivated inner strength
The current league's player retention is the highest in recorded history. How does this make you feel?
Will crash and burn any second now and then they'll have to listen to me
Trust reddit
skeptical since the stats show it's slightly below Kalandra
Lower overall player numbers, means retention looks better on paper. What you can draw from this is, that only mazed morons are left. What you get now is more or less the number of addicts who can't put it down.
Not even close to true
A lot of players didn't come back after kalandra. I played league start in kalandra but after seeing the nerfestos and the patch notes I didn't bother playing this time. I guess PoE can now function as a mental asylum for mazed morons
>players
lmao, bots ,paid streamer and sunk-cost pay pigs doesn't count
>player retention
>not player base
so the 10000 or so schizos that still play the game will keep playing no matter what the devs do is a good thing?
Gold never really did anything worthwhile once you built up a decent stash in Diablo 1 and 2. Most I remember doing with it in 2 is gambling, which I do kinda wish PoE had in a less obtuse manner but otherwise I prefer no gold.
this league made mapping feel good again but the league mechanic is offensively bad. I already quit after getting 14 challenges and just saying frick it
The rewards for going through all those rooms are so fricking embarrassingly awful I don't even know what they were thinking. You get a million negatives, crawl your way to the boss and end up with what, like 20 chaos at most?
yeah lel
I killed her twice, went back one more time for the REAL last fight, which is moronic, and then stopped
mapping is still aids cancer because of random moronic tanky rares and essence mobs. Fricking corrupted blood and frozen trail ground out the wazoo every fricking time you try to pop an essence. I dont understand why they think that screen cancer shit belongs in this game.
If you don't have the "cannot be inflicted with corrupted blood" mastery you deserve to die instantly from it.
the game is balanced around being ailment immune now so we're looking at it from that angle
homie essence monsters are literally the one thing in the game you have time to read the mods on
I really like the customization of this game. There's a certain "art" to the talent tree and everything you can do to it.
The bad part is that it's basically single player with only 1 character. It doesn't matter what build you choose, the game plays basically the same.
Does anyone know a team game, either multiplayer-focused on party-based RPG with this level of customization of units?