>Dude Melina is totally the Gloam Eyed Queen
>That sounds pretty cool, how do you know?
>Bro look at her eye it's purple
>And?
>What do you mean "and" her eye is purple dude she's totally the Gloam Eyed Queen
You're not one of these """people""" right?
She literally promises you Destined Death in the frenzy ending. You are a moron
Why does she never once use black flame incantations or any weapons associated with the GEQ or the godskins?
Her gloam eye is sealed the entire game as is destined death (the thing she is literally guiding you towards), but you knew that and you're just waiting for your moronic thread
Why would Marika send the Gloam Eyed Queen to assist the Tarnished?
to grant you access to the erdtree and unseal destined death, which is needed to kill a god and (hopefully) restore or bring about a new and better order for the lands between. she's not exactly pleased with the current status quo
Yes but why send the Gloam Eyed Queen, her enemy, to do that?
not everything is spelled out for us, which is the nature of this story telling. It's more than likely because the GEQ literally has to kill herself to accomplish this. she's a sacrificial lamb. Melina blatantly tells us she has little to no memory of her life before. her identity is sealed and has likely been assigned as a kindling maiden. at the end of the day this is background info unnecessary for the major plot so it is left intentionally esoteric as a piece of forgotten history
I think if you need that much speculation for a theory to work it's not a great theory. We know in Melina's past she burned herself at the giant's forge once before, that's why she's "burned and bodiless" and she has burn scars all over her arms.
Which is exactly why it makes zero sense for her to be the GEQ, it serves no narrative purpose.
>hmmm this person with a gloam eye, that wields destined death in the only ending she survives the rune of death being unsealed, who has clearly attempted to burn down the literal symbol of the current regime that stripped her of her power before, and then leads me on a wild goose chase to do it again, SURELY has no ulterior motives.
I take it you're someone who takes everything someone tells you at face value?
>GEQ = pure evil
LITERALLY golden order propaganda. History is written by the victor. These themes are throughout the entire game
>LITERALLY golden order propaganda
t. Windmill village cultist
Why would the GEQ act on behalf of her ancient enemy Marika?
Then why does she get butthurt when you use the flame of frenzy to burn it? She should be happy she got to live and see the tree burn.
Its also a failure on Froms part to not include an alternate ending for Melina by burning the tree yourself and then using the needle to get rid of the flame of frenzy.
Because the frenzy flame quite literally destroys the world... How is this a difficult concept
Read the second part dumbass. You can burn the tree and then do any other ending if you used the Unalloyed Gold Needle.
Irrelevant. She tells you not to do it, and that she doesn't want to be saved, and like a desperate simp you're here crying on a Mongolian basket weaving forum that your waifu got mad because you did the exact thing she told you not to.
Thats the problem, she gets mad but theres absolutely no follow up to that situation we created. Thats the entire problem I have with it.
They only have a conclusion for the Frenzied Flame Ending nut mot if you pursue any other if you burned the tree yourself.
>LITERALLY golden order propaganda
My man geq lead the faction where they hunt sapient gods as livestock. They literally bundle their children in god flesh
gods that persecuted and enslaved those born under the blessing of the crucible that predates the current age. Not everything is black and white in war
>well the story is not being told that's part of the story telling.
>imagination is now a form of storytelling
It's irrelevant background info. The equivalent of wondering who built Princess Peach castle in SM64. Get help
except the story of the entire game is like this.
It's not. Just the autistic background shit you latch onto and give an artificial amount of importance when in reality it has little to no weight on the narrative of you killing the demigods, repairing the ring, and ascending the throne
It is. Theres no narrative. Or the story. Theres just some meaningless "lore" that is jumbled mess purposefully disjointed and spread too thin. Everything is purposefully vague and "left to interpretation" but it's actually done like this so you dont have to provide anything really.. It's not that its hard to reach an answer its that there's no answer but lets pretend it is
It's literally x+y = pick whatever answer you want.
but enough about Dark Souls 2
i dont think literally any tiny scrap of solid information to do with a character you know LITERALLY NOTHING ABOUT and yet are specifically sent on the entire journey by during a100hr game is irrelevant information.
its the equivalent of getting no information on who Dante or Vergil are in The Divine Comedy and never getting a single fricking piece of information on anything that happens because for some reason the author decided to just write about a guy killing demons all the way to satan and then killing satan and the book ending. Then everyone turns up and headcanons a story out of descriptions of the mountain lion from the beginning and then mental gymnastics about the hands sticking out of the ice.
This is a good post and too smart for fromslop ~~*lore*~~ fans
>tendie commenting on ER lore
Sad.
He's 100% right.
That's too much speculation.
actual first grader ESL tier question asking please stop
Yet you're not even capable of answering a simple "first grader tier" question which says a lot more about you than it does about me.
>I-I could answer I... I just don't wanna! Yeah! That's it!
>Why would Marika send her archenemy to burn herself away for her own goals?
Not that Melina being the Gloam-eyed queen makes any sense either, given she's Marika's kid, but come on.
What if she is lying?
About what?
Didn't she use a recolor of those black flame skills?
She uses the exact same weapon and move as the black knife assassins except her's are erdtree themes instead of death themed
>Her weapon is literally a reskin of the Black Knife, Weapon art and all
(you) are legitimately regarded
How are the Black Knives associated with the GEQ?
...they wield destined death and kill gods? That's kind of her whole thing.
Maliketh also wields destined death, is he secretly aligned with the GEQ?
Bro did you even play the game ..? He took it and sealed it in himself after defeating the GEQ. This isn't even speculation, it's right in the goddamn game
Which shows you that you don't have to be aligned with the GEQ to use destined death
Yeah nah it doesn't show that at all. Malekith is quite literally the exception, being the one who defeated her and sealed it and all
The Black Knives got their destined death powers by stealing it from Maliketh, having that power doesn't mean you're working for the GEQ and Melina having the same dagger doesn't mean she's connected to the GEQ.
>The Black Knives stole it from Maliketh
No, Ranni, a Demigod and an Empyrean to boot, did it, with the aid of Rykard, another Demigod
...and gave it to the Black Knives, that's how they got their destined death powers. Not from the GEQ.
>What do the Death-Imbued weapon wielding assassins commanded by a Demigod have anything to do with the Demigod guardian of Death?
Geeh Anon, I don't knoooow, can ya guess what?
Ranni made the black knives during her suicide arc then tossed the Black Knife leader into an evergaol when she outlived her usefulness. Nothing to do with GEQ.
im 99% certain that she is. if she isnt then its another dumb red herring and miyazaki is a hack
well duuh
Gloam Eyed Queen is the Velka of Elden Ring, a character that exists only in item descriptions and is never brought up again
That's a running gag then because From has tried to include Velka in every Souls sequel.
In Two they were planning to add her. In 3 she was replaced by Rosaria who was then implied to be Gwynevere.
Velka is present in DS3, you can pray to her statue even.
I mean she was LITERALLY going to be in the game, probably either was a blue bros covenant leader or maybe even just the red.
Proof?
The GEQ is a psyop and doesn't exist
Godskin apostles are NOT hiding in your walls
Don't check
yeah it's the color of twilight/dusk
Kenneth Haight has yellow eyes does that mean he's the lord of frenzied flame?
Incredible bait. But for the double digit IQs ITT, his eyes are gold, which is not uncommon in the Lands Between and looks nothing like the actual frenzy eyes that merchants have
Eyes of Gold indicates some relation to Numen or the Golden Lineage. Grafted scions have such eyes for example.
Every inhabitant of the LB has golden grace in their eyes, that's the thing that distinguishes the Tarnished and why everyone can tell you apart at a glance.
>Kenneth Haight has yellow eyes does that mean he's the lord of frenzied flame?
I knew it
Kenneth fricking Haight has GOLDEN eyes because he is a nobleman of mighty lineage.
>No you see his eyes are sunflower yellow and not jaundice yellow, it's completely different
Golden Eyes means they have the Erdtree Grace
"Guided by Grace"
the Tarnished were stripped of Grace by Marika
It's amazing how autistic Souls lore is, even moreso the people who discuss it.
But the canon ending makes her sacrifice herself, so it's pretty irrelevant whether she is this or that, she's dead.
Who cares really, it has no bearing on anything in the game. Nothing changes wether she is or isnt the GEQ.
GEQ = pure evil, leads literally the most satanic faction in ER (Godskins)
Melina = pure good
No, I don't think Melina is the GEQ. It's literally inconcievable.
>>GEQ = pure evil, leads literally the most satanic faction in ER
>Not the blood cult lead by a incestuous pedophile who aims to cause pain just because his god likes pain
How is that picture 87KB
What the frick
post your current tarnished
that dude does NOT look like an elden lord. maybe gideon was right
>character's only identifying traits are a gloam eye and Destined Death
>"NOOOOO I NEED A 3 HOUR YOUTUBE VIDEO TO MATCH UP THE EXACT COLOR OF THEIR SOCKS FOR ME AND A DIAGRAM TO ILLUSTRATE HOW THEY BOTH LIKED TO SNIFF THEIR OWN FARTS IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION NOT MY WAIFU NOOOOOOOO!!!"
Yep, it's a midwit thread. """Lore"""tubers and their consequences have been a disaster for this franchise
Those are not her only identifying traits however, she has a dozen other traits that contradict the GEQ theory.
She uses a blade very similar to the black knife assassins
She uses erdtree incantations
She lost her body when she burned herself at the forge the first time
She helps Marika, something the GEQ would never do
>i dont like this thing therefore its a disaster
have a nice day
The DLC trailer killed all interest I had in this series. It looked so bad and ugly that I won't buy it or ever install ER again.
Melina is not the Gloam Eye'd Queen, she is a golem who has one of the Queen's eyes (Maliketh had the other eye) because she was made out of the Queen's remains.
99% of Elden Ring lore is literally made up bullshit by fans.
There is literally no story.
You are just a random Dark Souls Guy dropped out of blue in another not-Lordran/post-apo fantasy world and are expected to do Dark Souls stuff (aka, kill everything in sight). Everyone around you spouts random bullshit that doesn't matter and just laughs at the end of their sentence/goes insane, just like in every other game.
>Melina disappears for 99% of the game and never tells you what her intentions are
>no one fricking tells you what an Elden Ring even is
>no one tells you why the frick you should give a single frick about what is happening here
>no one explains anything, when did Shattering happen? 2 weeks ago? or 5000 years go? both answers seem likely
>no one tells you why anything matters
Why? Because it's Demon Souls 5 and Fromhacks know that their moronic fanbase has been conditioned into just doing Demon Souls things and then piece together their cut and rewritten shitty lore so that they don't have to work themselves too hard writing anything fricking coherent.
Funny thing is i bet there are some people who sincerely think this way, the type of people who only watch blockbusters i'd imagine.
the frick do you mean "sincerely think this way"- make a fricking statement dont turn up and just huff your own farts you silly c**t
>you just didnt get it because youre dumb
every fricking time.
Theres no statement to make, I was laughing at what I can only assume is satire given how silly it is, I presumed I was laughing alongside the poster of said saitre.
youre not helping your case by doing edgy nerd RP and pushing up your glasses to explain why something extremely simple is "funny" to you
Listen mate, you're overestiating my investment in the conversation, of the genre I've played like 5 hours of bloodborne, I saw something that read like absurd hyperbole, deliberately trying to turn something the series is known for excelling at and trying to paint it as a negative by insisting it doesnt even exist and that there is an empty void left behind, and thats why its bad. I thought it was a joke, but it seems you're just a fricking moron with 0 media literacy, which is fine, but jesus dude you're making a fool of yourself by having such strong opinions based on absurdity.
>thinks they have been copy pasting since demon souls
>have really been copy pasting since kings field
NGMI
>kings field
kings field games have plain and coherent stories and none of that bullshit
They are the exact same thing.
One has a story I do not care about and so does the other.
Shazam trannery.
This is like how you can point out that there exists a question about the Tolkien Universe that Tolkien probably didn't have an answer for and then being smug about it.
They got btfo so hard this thread they had to get their discord buddies to spam the thread again KEK when will they learn
This is the most dishonest, Fromtroony answer possible.
First, Tolkien world was revised and worked on for decades. Second, just because some lore questions are missing/he didn't have time to answer is not an issue.
Why? Because it was the BACKGROUND of the actual stories. There are no moronic holes or rewrites happening in Hobbit or LotR. Meanwhile Elden Shart's story is a mess. There is absolutely no fricking plot in the entire fricking game. Not to mention it was obviously rewritten all in the last minute, as the 1.0 version of the game is a vastly different experience with different lore and texts.
It's a videogame, the poorest medium to tell a direct story possible.
The only thing video games excel at is world building that gives entertaining purpose to what amounts to a very basic journey of going from point A to point B to kill shit.
So to shit on Elden Ring's direct story is pretty fricking moronic as it's a videogame who's primary purpose to justify the gameplay.
Unlike an actual book you are designing the story around what can be accomplished through the game itself, meaning that every fricking game at some point has to redesign its story to suit whatever shit they can or cannot accomplish in the game.
Literally only cinematic slop like the Last of Us where your railed into a very specific set of criteria and the game is 90% cinematic can a video games story be so crucial to development that you have more movie like creative processes like story boarding.
You are literally upset over this idea that people are speculating under the unknowable pretense that From has no story because of changes in development, which is completely moronic.
At some point in development, shit gets cut from a game which can change shit significantly.
The same shit happened with Dragon's Dogma when it was revealed they cut a whole bunch of shit like parallel realities that really altered the setting.
You're probably the same homosexual that runs into DaS 3 threads and claims they had it all figured out story wise until shit got cut when they were clearly spitballing the most basic rule of cool ideas before settling on the final narrative.
>The same shit happened with Dragon's Dogma when it was revealed they cut a whole bunch of shit like parallel realities that really altered the setting.
and everyone agrees that Dragon's Dogma story is weak and shit
why can't Fromtrannies admit that lore theorizing is pointless when it's all cut content and rewrites?
No one agrees that DD's story is weak and shit they agree that the game was really good at its core but lacking in content.
>Why can't From trannies admit it's pointless
Because ultimately any form of speculation over fiction IS pointless because it's a fictional setting and its coherence depends on its authors or group of authors accounting for that lack of knowledge to be canon.
Anyone can go "stop talking about fake shit lol" and they'd honestly be right, what IS the fricking point of even caring about unreal things? But you're just a homosexual at that point.
Just because Miyazacki spreads shit thin doesn't mean that "lol he just doesn't know" either. There was an interview where a Dev was about to explain the petrified Blacksmiths in DaS and Miyazacki cut him off.
Hell the entire Mini Ranni Doll bullshit just feels like him trying to shake people off the Ranni Questline because he didn't like how straight forward it was compared to any quest in Soul's history. There is a blatant attempt to mask shit with him.
I don't recall it being that fricking severe and most of the shit removed hardly affected the story. Assimi's quest line would be cool and helps explain the lord of night Name drop but you can piece together the Nox Goal without it even being canon based on everything left in game.
They cut out a hobo knight that wants to frick Miquella in a dream world that is now probably not canon with the DLC.
People b***h about the same shit in DaS III even though a lot of elements remained unchanged even with name changes. Sully is still the same shit as the eclipse king.
>Hell the entire Mini Ranni Doll bullshit just feels like him trying to shake people off the Ranni Questline because he didn't like how straight forward it was compared to any quest in Soul's history. There is a blatant attempt to mask shit with him.
yea and it's the best quest in the entire game because it's so fricking simple lmao
it really is better for this moron if all this vague shit was done by accident/because of lack of time/budget, because the other option is that he just intentionally fricks the games up
Elden Ring is moronic because the STORY itself is vague.
Compare that to Dark Souls. Lore was complex and full of mysteries, but as far as what is happening and what is the story goes, it was clear:
>There were gods, they started the age of fire.
>Fire is now fading, people turn into undead.
>Undead are locked into Asylum, you are one of them.
>Oscar goes around and frees Undead because of the prophecy of a Chosen Undead, when he dies, he tells you about it and Lordran
>You are then going out and are taken into Lordran and there you can talk to Crestfallen Knight who tells you that there is not one, but two bells of awakening. That's the only info you get and need thus far.
>You ring the bells and then meet Frampt who tells you EXACTLY, what is happening and why is it important and what you need to do to become the Lord of Cinder
Meanwhile ER?
You are a random guy who just appears in some random shitty chapel (who knows why?) next to a dead maiden (who knows why?), you are attacked, fall down and then are in a completely different location (???) are found by Melina who choses you (why??).
Then you meet some other people and they tell you to kill some dudes and become Elden Lord.
Why? What will happen if i wont? Why should i care? Why Melina chose me? Who is Torrent's master? What is her goal? The frick is going on? What the FRICK the Elden Ring even is?
NONE OF THE QUESTIONS have answer. And they are CRUCIAL to the main story. It's a step backwards compared to stories in DeS and Dark Souls.
The only difference between Elden Ring and Souls is they take their creation myth and didn't give it a cinematic.
I agree that this was worse for the story telling but only in the sense that you aren't given enough at the start to know what's going on.
This doesn't mean shit isn't knowable though, that's your own fault for not playing the fricking game.
It's not knowable. There are literally no fricking answers in the game. It's all speculation from lomorons.
Elden Ring intro is garbage and is a shitty slideshow, you know why? Because they had to 100% remove the original one after they rewrote so fricking much it didn't make any sense anymore.
They almost did that already btw. Dark Souls 3 intro is also somewhat nonsensical, for example how Yhorm wakes up in Firelink/open area and not Profaned Capital.
>They almost did that in the opening.
While Yhorm was intended to be a demo fight in that area he also wasn't a big bad Lord of Cinder so that indicates you're probably wrong in this "frick up". The cinematic was probably the last thing they did which is evident by fricking Soul of Cinder, the last minut final boss, showing up in it.
Yhorm's remains were kept at Firelink just like all the others.
From probably didn't do a cinematic because they already blew their load on the announcement trailer.
They really should have kept Godfrey dialogue.
If he was the one telling us from the start that Marika calls us back to Lands Between to reclaim it, shit would make way more sense.
Yeah but his voice acting was so bad I could see why they cut him. Also the spoiler that he was Horah was made less meaningful unless of course they just gave Godfrey a helmet.
They kept Roderika's lines in the game so I don't think the quality of the voice acting was a concern
All things considered From should have put the Story Trailer as a cinematic before you reach the main menu.
the actual issue with From games is not that they change or cut shit (every game does that) it's HOW MUCH and WHAT gets changed
it's obvious that ER was a vastly different game at some point, the issue is, it was probably very recent/close to release
1.0 has a shitton of different text/lore already, and this is a version that existed around 50 days before release
network test had those big burning heads, different VA credited for characters in credits, characters that do not exist anymore etc.
and there is more, entire landslide of hours upon hours of quests, voicelines and assets still discovered in game files
and the problem with that is that the end product is a nonsensical mess, it's not intentionally vague, it's vague because the devs are hacks
>it's obvious that ER was a vastly different game at some point, the issue is, it was probably very recent/close to release
>
>1.0 has a shitton of different text/lore already, and this is a version that existed around 50 days before release
That's all wrong, the story remained consistent and Elden Ring has a surprisingly very small amount of content cut, nost of which actually ties to Miquella either way
Wrong, Elden Ring story is actually really good, and the only cut content is some questlines
>Elden Shart story is good
lmao, it literally doesn't exist
there is NO STORY, you fricking morons
>there is NO STORY, you fricking morons
um my youtuber told me there's like an alien and he is like a god and basically you go and kill that alien that's like a jesus to the real god. Obviously I didn't get this from the game but my fav youtuber told me so its true
Elden Ring story and world are fantastic, easily the best in a videogame. Be mad about it
Except everything in Elden Ring is explained
Godwyns soul was killed but not his body yet Miquella tried to resurrect Godwyn with the power of the sun meaning he saw a way to instill a soul/get his soul back into his body.
What happens to a soul that was killed and where does it go?
Who cares?
The anon I responded to made a claim everythings explained.
>What happens to a soul that was killed and where does it go?
It goes to the spirit world
Superboss spirit Godwyn Prince of Death fight in front of the Helphen tree, three more months, trust the plan
All souls of the dead go to the Erdtree when the body is buried, so that the body can die a true death, but since Godwyn's body lacked a soul that could return, he was left in a state of non-death.
Deathroot, which acts as a force that corrupts souls. Corrupted Souls return to their bodies instead of the Erdtree, causing Life in Death
That doesnt answer anything simce Godwyns case is special.
His soul was killed but Miquella saw a chance to bring it back with the power of the sun. Those who live in death are what souls are as you said but Godwyn is the opposite, he has no soul but his body lives in death. How can a soul that was killed be brought back?
He answered it perfectly, you're being purposely disingenuous. Godwyns existence as the Prince of Death is causing souls to be corrupted and return to their bodies instead of the erdtree
You are deliberately obtuse or dont understand the question.
Godwyns soul was killed yet it was perceived by Miquella to be possible to bring it back. The others who live in death are irrelevant to this question because its a situation only shared by Godwyn
It is absolutely relevant, Godwyns existence as the Prince of death is causing deathroot to grow and corrupt the souls of others to Live in Death. That's why his eyes are growing all throughout the deathroot. He is the catalyst that caused this
What happens to a soul when a soul its killed?
Try again in English, Pedro
I accept your concession senior.
Black person what are you trying to say? Spit it out. You know you have no ground to stand on soon you're just spinning in circles at this point kek
Cope EOP and touch grace.
I'll go jerk off now.
Uh sure thing ese, go sleep in your sombrero lmfao
As a lurker I have to ask, has it gotten easier being a shithead troll on Ganker the longer time goes on? Because people on this board have always been moronic homosexuals but lately I've seen plenty of trolls just repeating the exact same point over and over, refusing to move forward at all and it seems like the easiest thing in the world. I see shit like this in every thread, and there's usually two or more moronic homosexuals wasting their energy instead of just ignoring your ilk.
>Godwyns soul was killed yet it was perceived by Miquella to be possible to bring it back.
Never once it was said this. The only quotes are
>O brother, lord brother, please die a true death.
>Lord Miquella, forgive me. The sun has not been swallowed. Our prayers were lacking. Your comrade remains soulless...
The Eclipse serves to finally truly kill Godwyn, by literally ending his fate using the Moon to eclipse the Sun
>Your comrade remains soulless...
Thats the crux. The way its worded means they were trying to fix his soulles status.
True death is final, theres no reason to word it like that if their goal was just to shank him for real.
Godwyn was buried believing he would die a true death. When dying a true death he will be able to merge back with his soul in the spirit world. Fia sees Godwyn during death and Godwyn protects her by casting ghost incantations. Godwyn's state of undeath affects his body, not spirit
sauce for the headcanon ghoulash?
Just play Fia's quest
>Fate doesnt exist
Yes it does. You can't even open a chest or hurt someone because of Fate
Also Miquella's needle working shows it exists
Fromsoftware creates worlds detailed and interesting enough that people feel invested in them, because they are really good at it
Yes I did, even though it's not what you asked.
Godwyn is special because there's no soul to return to either his body or the Erdtree, and his body can't die, so it's stuck in a state of non-death
The Eclipse of the Sun is the only way to bring Godwyn's body true death because of Godwyn's Fate being dependant on amber starlight, which is why Miquella and Ranni plotted it together and Malenia tried to kill Radahn
Every single element of Elden Ring lore and worldbuilding except DLC stuff is fully explained and clear, you just need 3 digit IQ to piece together info
Two digit IQer here, do people have runes outside of the lands between?
Not greatrunes but the minor runes do make their way outside the lands between because the player who lived outside TLB can choose one as a starting item
Runes are life essence right? Like souls and blood. Wouldn't everyone needs runes to be alive?
No, they're just fragments of the Elden Ring. Functionally and gameplay-wise they're obviously the same as souls and blood echoes but not lore-wise.
Lore wise what is the source of life outside of the lands between?
I dunno, it's never mentioned.
Hyetta says the Elden Ring fractured "The one great" and basically made all that is based on the conjecture that the world being melted in a ball of fire is returning to "the one great".
So yeah, the Elden Ring.
How does that make sense? People outside of the lands between have fragmented of the Elden Ring? Huuuuuuh??
The jurisdiction of the Greater Will extends outside the Lands Between and if Hyetta is to be believed all life on earth comes from the GW
The Lands Between isn't like a separate reality or some shit it's like a Mt. Olympus or Lordran.
I'm 90% certain Martin wrote it as a fancy way of saying it's the center of the world.
Miyazaki described Lordran as another dimension though l
Lordran has time warp going on and shit like the Kiln of the First Flame definitely has some pocket dimension bullshit.
But it's still a place on the map somewhere in the souls setting.
In what way? Elden Ring doesn't take nearly as much emphasis on multiplayer as DaS and DeS do. The most we get is that the red phantoms are mostly just Tarnished Mohg servants or Rhykard fanboys with not a lot of lore discussing the concept of "invading".
im more thinking along the lines of different planes of reality, rather than seperate realities entirely. hence the presence of the spirit entities, objects and even structures that seem to phase in and out, or be in spirit form but present in what we see as the physical world. also consider that sleep or dreams can literally take you to a different plane entirely. this is likely the result of the elden rings capacity to affect physical or metaphysical laws, and marikas design to organise those laws in a way thats convenient, even if that power only extends to a limited physical space like the archipelago of the lands between but not beyond.
the expansion will hopefully shed some more light on this
Well yeah there is definitely some planer stuff going on with ghosts as we do enter another reality to face the Lichdragon. Also shit like the Shadow Realm and the dreamscape as you mentioned
I don't think the lands between are walled off or that the Elden Ring only governs that reality.
>I don't think the lands between are walled off or that the Elden Ring only governs that reality.
im conflicted about this to be honest. the elden rings grace clearly doesnt extend beyond the lands between, but it can still extend its power beyond it to resurrect the tarnished. so perhaps it governs the nature of the entire world, but makes for itself a special little divine bubble much like a heaven on earth, that being the lands between
theres definitely some fricky dimensional shit going on with it. my assumption is that marika tweaked the metaphysics of what was originally a pretty normal bit of land by our standards
>do people have runes outside of the lands between?
yes
amber starlight
no, it was an attempt to kill his body, not restoring his soul
>Ranni's fate is tied to the stars
>if stars command our fates
>hurr durr must be about Godwyn
Loregays are deranged
's fate is tied to the stars
Everybody's Fate is tied to the stars, Godwyn's Fate is tied to the Sun
Fate doesnt exist, everyone believes it does but the Tarnished go around forging their own destinies despite Radahn locking everyones fate supposedly in place.
>ignore Radahn and become Elden Lord
>but muh fate, you aren't allowed to do that
>Godwyn's Fate being dependant on amber starlight
Source?
>The Eclipse of the Sun is the only way to bring Godwyn's body true death
Thats wasn't the goal of the ritual. One of the ghosts in Castle Sol laments that the rirual failed and Miquellas "comrade" still remained soulless which infers the ritual was to some extent meant to bring his soul back.
haha great epic troll haha you got them
I love Elden Ring but the fact that it won best narrative is just fricking hilarious to me, makes me think that Fromsoft is becoming the new Nintendo because it seems people (and especially journos) are afraid to say anything bad about them
>it's vague because the devs are hacks
And because Miyazaki cannot let go of his childhood of reading english books while barely speaking the language and the filling in the blanks.
video games were able to have great stories during the early 2000s. You mentioning The last of us basically just show your ignorance and lack of standards (points of reference).
VN's don't count double Black person we are talking about VIDEOGAMES. If you're storyboarding for your entire fricking game then it's not going to have much gameplay will it?
>It's a videogame, the poorest medium to tell a direct story possible.
No, movies and plays are the worst due to having the least amount of time to tell a story. This is extremely limiting compared to the stories books, comics, tv series live action or animated, and video games can tell.
Now this isn't to say that those two can't have great stories, it's just that those mediums are too limited.
Even Druckmann admitted that ER was a better way to tell a story than his own slop.
>There are no moronic holes or rewrites happening in Hobbit
no it isnt. because clear motivations are given for every single character in Tolkien's works you g-genuine DICKSUCKER. its like if Frodo woke up, found a ring one day, Gandalf appeared and said "throw ring into fire" and disappeared.
then after reading the book the audience just invented why
>its like if Frodo woke up, found a ring one day, Gandalf appeared and said "throw ring into fire" and disappeared.
>then after reading the book the audience just invented why
Fricking SOUL
yeah would be, because itd still be a decent adventure, like Elden Ring, problem is, alot of people refuse to accept that its a load of horseshit strung together on purpose with no clear answers because it was FACTUALLY made for you to invent most of.
No, Frodo wasnt a golden angel reborn who had to fight his darkness in the form of a spider and Sam wasnt secretly God the whole time. Gollum was not Sauron. Just because Frodo described his sword as "blue" doesnt mean hes king of the ocean. if these things were true the story would have explicitly alluded to or stated these things. because writers usually convey information in their motherfrickin stories. its what storytelling is
>Gandalf's last words : Dumbledoor forgive me
There are some things Tolkien didn't thought about. The problem is finding out what was intended, and what was unfinished or not properly thought out.
For example, we know he changed his minds about orcs. At some point they were just random evil creatures, then he turned them into corrupted elves, then he thought of establishing them as automata, but that was never quite settled. The best explanation is that they are corrupted elves, and that even the orcs might be redeemed at the end of time.
Thank you for reinforcing my point. We're dealing the a fictional universe with details that by right only exist within the minds of the creators, of which it is impossible for them to have thought of every detail.
Pointing this out and calling something slop based on the quantifiable degree in which they've "worked on it" is fricking moronic but this is a Shazam thread where Souls is also compared to games that don't exist to make them sound like dogshit games because people here suspect people only like a thing for petty emotional reasons.
The problem is that there is always a gap between what the author thought and what the audience gets. An author can leave a lot of holes for people to fill in, regardless of their own intentions.
To mock people as slop eating peasants for filling the holes is the point of the Shazamn troonyism in this thread.
Filling in the holes is based though, that's what I do with my butthole when I hook up with men (I'm trans btw)
Sometimes the holes make sense, sometimes they don't.
disappears for 99% of the game and never tells you what her intentions are
>>no one fricking tells you what an Elden Ring even is
>>no one tells you why the frick you should give a single frick about what is happening here
>>no one explains anything, when did Shattering happen? 2 weeks ago? or 5000 years go? both answers seem likely
>>no one tells you why anything matters
it's not that it isn't explained. It's that these questions do not have answers.
>>>no one explains anything, when did Shattering happen? 2 weeks ago? or 5000 years go? both answers seem likely
I feel like several years to a couple decades generally makes the most sense
You can keep making this post in every From thread for whatever game is current, it'll be correct but you won't get any reasonable replies because Fromgays are the new tendies but on a smaller scale.
I can't wait for this shit to reach critical mass and implode on itself in a masturbatory black hole of plothole bullshit and incongruent boss/player complexity
I know it's not true though because Bloodborne has an incredibly rich and interesting story. How can I be convinced that something isn't real when I've been experiencing it myself for years?
Broken clocks, etc.
What?
Looks like the loony troon had a melty again. Sad. GOTY btw
It's cataract in her right eye, from getting blasted by the frenzy flame, she only doesn't have it in her left because she's always got it closed, until of course she gets blasted and blinded in her reliant (right) eye so has to then rely on her left.
What set off the shazamtrannies this time?
thats a question for you to figure out because clearly they live mostly in your head
Nothing has to set them off "mad that people like things I don't" is just their default emotion
nobody is mad (well at least I'm not) I just pitty you cause your taste and standards are so low that you consider this a "storytelling" let alone good one.
>I pity you so much I just have to tell you over and over again how much I hate what you like, I'm totally not mad
Right
i dont hate ER you dipshit. You can like something and still criticize it you mentally moronic moron.
>i don't hate this thing i just constantly shit on it in a mocking manner because i'm a critic
Right.
>I am mentally moronic
take meds I guess
Name one game with good storytelling.
Disregarding timetravel shenanigans and resulting plotholes Legacy of Kain is pretty good.
>movie-game with boring lore dumps
Opinion invalidated.
Thats only Soul Reaver 2.
Thats the one I played.
Soul Reaver 2 really felt like it was an aborted Myst game.
>dude look at all this context there's a good chance she's a character people refer to in the game
>uh huh, yeah. tell me more, zanzibart.
a real human doesn"t """""" giGA QUOTE """""" like you enjoy black wiener in your ass. Also if you're that moronic, just go play Sweet Baby Inc games like a good mule.
Yes, unironically tell me more. Make it makes sense, "her eye is purple so she's actually secretly the enemy of the person she's serving" doesn't make sense.
It's just a theory.
Theories that create more questions than they answer are shit theories
I like Souls games but I completely agree with the notion that their stories don't feel like they have weight to it. A lot of the core principles that move the world and give it purpose are very abstract, which makes it hard for anyone to care about it on an emotional level. Characters are often too vague and their motivations are vague in an already vague world.
best girl
>I love this thing but -
Is there any surer sign of a dishonest axewound?
>if you like something you have to like everything about it
Who's dishonest here?
>i know your inner thoughts and motivations better than you do
medication
Melina is the sister of Messmer, and the true first daughter of Marika/Radagon(Marika) in the era pre-Erdtree, her eye has the bestial claw-marker.
Messmer is the firstborn. The two-headed serpent is the symbol of a curse and betrayal against the Erdtree. Both Melina and Messmer can use flames and both represent heresy, Melina by burning the Erdtree with the Flame of Ruin and Messmer is the living embodiment of it due to its power and appearance.
Marika tasked Melina in spirit form to cross from the hidden Realm of Shadow to the Lands Between to act against the Erdtree, so hiding her past and Messmer realm with the conceiling veils might have been part of the plan. We don't know Messmer motivations yet, but I'm quite sure Melina's real body form is in the Realm of Shadows
Messmer also hides his left eye in the trailer
It's impressive how stupid people are
>Miquella appears as a spirit in the DLC area despite his body being in the base game
Even that alone should hint that Melina is tied to Messmer and her body is in the DLC area
From will forget about melina having been a thing in the base game.
But the alternative is
>here's a weird purple eye for no reason
>and that will help her hunt you down, I guess
>and it was hidden for... well you'll just have to find out later 🙂
aka, just a stupid cliffhanger
Even if she is the GEQ it's still a stupid cliffhanger because it doesn't affect the story whatsoever
Fromsoft lore doesn't matter anyway
they never know what they're doing and are just letting people make their own headcanon to explain the moronic stuff that's happening
Radahn used to be a giant slayer and all those giant skeletons in caelid were probably his victims. When I say “used to be” I mean that his lore was changed a couple months before release.!
her mother is the GEQ, not melina
Melina's mother is Marika
and marika is the GEQ
who the frick is the gloam eyed queen
There are people who actually believe the DLC will tell us something about Melina.
>Marika's secret demigod and instrument to burn the Erdtree that doesn't have a thronw in the main game
>Coming from a place purposefully hidden to the Order, with buildings and skies covered in magical or literal veils
>When Marika and Radagon made babies they made twins, while when they made babies with Rennala or Godfrey, they made triplets, so very likely than Messmer has a sister
yeah, that makes a lot of sense
Roderika is a better character than Melina. Melina is an afterthought.
I never thought about it much, that shit happened after I beat the game
Will the DLC have a better summon than Tiche? I think not.
>he stopped summoning the boys
Melina would atleast be memorable if she was a bawd.
if I wanted to make a Gloam-Eyed Queen build, would Dex/Fai be the best bet?
Yes, Godslayers Greatsword is Dex Faith.
gonna be honest i thought she'd have used a black knife, not a giant sword
She didn't use the sword, she got turned into the sword
>Sacred sword of the Gloam-Eyed Queen who controlled the Godskin Apostles before her defeat at the hands of Maliketh.
are you sure
Compare it to the Sacred Relic Sword made out of Radagon.
Black Knives are creations of Ranni using destined death. Godslayer Greatsword was likely her weapon, some speculate the Greatsword is her body though as it's a helix sword like the Sacred Relic Sword.
>Melina's "gloam-eye" is sealed by a Beast claw mark
>GEQ is explicitly stated to have been defeated by Malekith
How is this still being debated? We don't have to know every detail, but it's spelled out for us who she is.
Why would the GEQ helping Marika?
I hope we get a secret alien boss in the dlc
Here is my theory:
Network Test:
>more shit
>burning heads in limgrave
>Margit is named the Fell Omen, has all his dialogue
1.0 Verion:
>missing shit
>no heads
>Margit is just THE FELL, doesn't speak when you die
Release:
>no heads
>Fell Omen
>speaks
And there is more. Basically, it seems like Network Test is actually some later version of the game, they had to revert before that one and branch out differently, which is why we see so much changed, removed, cut and rewritten stuff.
Flavor text on normal monster Yu-Gi-Oh cards from 20 years ago told a better story than this nonsense
Why does she keep the eye closed?
I don't like Elden Ring but I like Bloodborne and it definitely has a coherent story so people saying Elden Ring doesn't ITT are probably wrong
Elden Ring's story is unfinished rubbish, which is why morons make up the most moronic crap.
Will a 6750xt and 7600x run ER without any of the moronic framedrops
Nope. Random framestutters are part of the experience.
Here's your live action Melina
What was Miyazaki's mindset behind making INT/FAI so dogshit in elden ring
playing through the game for 149th time I'm noticing a ton of very obvious oversights
I guess they thought you get access to both comet azur and the best buffs, threw prince of death staff and ancient death rancor on top of it and called it a day
also sonaf I guess
>threw prince of death staff in
they couldnt at least give it decent scaling?
the golden seal does fantastically at 45/45 but the fricking staff needs nearly 80/80 to do anything well
that's one of the oversights I mentioned
it's obvious they struggled with balancing
you're not supposed to have 400+ int scaling, lusat's is a b***h to use because of that
pod is just a free 448 scaling with the reqs to match it
A combination of various oversights.
I feel Death Sorceries were put on a leash in terms of damage because they are the games Pursuers and even without the damage they make PVP a nightmare.
Obviously the player damage split shit solution was a late implementation and they simply didn't care to mess around with it so ADR could pull decent damage in PVE.
Golden Order Incants just suffer from holy failure. Holy has so many buff options even the GO incant has a bad percent buff compared to others so they were probably just overcautious with its damage, though ultimately the only really underperforming spell is triple rings.
Magma is completely fine though.
It's as if the guys who handled weapons in general had a disconnect from designers of the spells, as only ONE int/fai weapon exists and its gimmick is bridging star sorceries and flame incants.
PoD and Gelmir Staff are just strangely underpowered for their scaling demands, though PoD seems intentional as it has Back Scaling like Erdtree Seal.
because they sacrificed it for lore, which is either based or cringe depending on how you feel about it.
INT is connected to glintstone, the "stars", space, studying,etc
FTH is connected to believing in something, Gods, etc.
This is why Golden Order incantations scale with FTH/INT, because Radagon was looking for convergence and regressing everything to the mean
Similarly, the Blood Star and its thorn sorceries scale with FTH, because although it is glintstone and thus a "star" it was founded by people who had been blinded and they found the Blood Star in that "void of space" as opposed to the LITERAL void of space
Personally I think it's really cool that stats and game mechanics are tied to the lore but it does suck where they don't back it up with enough shit. Thorn sorceries have 2 spells that are very similar to each other so hopefully they add some more Golden Order/Thorn/Death sorceries
I've beat this game 3 times and I have no idea what the Gloam Eye Queen is.
You see, she's <insert some incoherent rambling of a loretuber talking out of his ass>
She's the new Velka, you're not supposed to know
I don't know what Velka is either.
Exactly
In the grand scale of the lore she's a nobody to justify cool black fire spells that do percent damage to bosses and are associated with weird Berserk reference monster guys.
>and are associated with weird Berserk reference monster guys.
Who?
God Skin Apostles.
No I mean what their Berserk counterpart is. I can only think of the monks from the Tower of Coviction arc to some extent.
They're just grotesque and monstrous but called apostles, that's pretty damn Beserky.
Thats kinda reaching considering theres Rykard in the game already that incorporates the Berserk Apostle archetype.
Well yeah he's a reference to Snake Lord.
The lore in Elden Ring isn't probably that complicated, but the game is so dense in content that it becomes difficult to make and confirm connections. I could argue the three wolf statue in Farum is the GEQ, and that the wolves are connected to the wolves summon that Ranni gives you, which she obtained from Renna, who was the GEQ. But that's an oversimplification, and people can connect the dots in many other ways.
>she obtained from Renna, who was the GEQ
you're the moron that keeps making shit up
Renna was the ice witch that tutored Ranni
That's the point, it would make sense for Renna to be the GEQ.
do you think DEX/FAI or DEX/ARC will be more fun going into the dlc?
FTH/ARC is the most fun build in ER.
Dex/Fai is tricky to find the synergy to make it worth doing that split. Str/Fai, Arc/Fai or just Fai are much more natural. I personally did a comprehensive run with a Dex/Fai Claw build based around swapping between Electrify Armament and Bloodflame Blade (because of the interaction of quick claw double hits with the weapon buffs) and it worked well for everything including Malenia. But it was a few patches back so I'm not sure how good it would be ATM. But I'd think very carefully about what the Dex is getting you that you can't just get with a fire or holy infused weapon.
yeah but bro look at her eye
she's totally the gloam eyed queen
>talking about elden ring "lore"
>t. lorelet
Agreed it's so stupid when people are interested in stuff, as should all sit quietly and do nothing instead
>doesnt like elden ring lore
>clicks on elden ring lore thread
elden troons can't meme lmao
who?
(You)
whom?
Youm
i think youre alright loreschizo
Marika is Gloam Eyed Queen. Melina is her daughter with mixed powers of gold and death.
>Marika fought herself
>story is as simple as Marika called the Tarnished to the land between to repair the Elden Ring, and become Elden lore
>the rest is up to you to discover and piece together
>this is too complicated for morons to grasp, it MUST be spelled out in cutscenes, books you find on the ground ala Skyrim or NPC dialogue being forced onto you
What did you expect out of Ganker, especially post 2009 Ganker?
Most of the Skyrim lore is in books or is vaguely suggested.
I dont even know who the Gloam Eyed Queen was because I'm not some moronic loregay I just hitting shit with a big sword
Melina my beloved
you can confuse loreschizos with a question as simple as who was the first elden lord lmao
me
it was me
I did it
It was the three headed dragon until he got erased from history.
The first Elden Lord we know of was Placidusax. You fricking moron
So called "Lore masters" can't explain this
magic
What's there to explain, the lad is clearly looking through his spyglass like every good pirate should, a landlubber like you would never understand
>when you want to be a content creator making lore dumps about games you arent good at so you just mine Ganker
you are a worthless human bean.
>oh so you went and got frenzied flame
>thats bad im no longer friends with you >:C
>waits for you to frick everything up to kill you
everyone in this game is fricking moronic, but melina is extra moronic
also
>noo im the one thats gonna burn the tree you cant heal yourself after burning the tree reeeeeee
how am I supposed to fight this frick as pure melee it keeps lifting its head and blasting me with offscreen AoEs for 90% of my health
Basically every attack it does has end lag where you can hit it's head. In other words: get good.
I'm trying
can you be a bit more specific
because after each attack I'm in my dodge animation by the end of it I'm far from the head and when I get to it the head is far from me
post bild
vig 30
end 20
str 42
dex 14
using great mace +15
By the time you fight him you should have at least a +20 weapon and 40 vigor
You're a little underleveled but
Press jump
Press R2
drink physick with stagger
stagger his ass
The best tip I can give is lock onto his head while simultaneuously trying to stay under him. A lot of his attacks can be dodged by standing directly beneath his chest while giving you an opportunity to attack his when he goes for an attack that totally whifs you because of where you're standing, like his fire breath attack. Try to dodge his attacks by rolling under him towards his back legs.
That is such a lame way to fight it but it worked. Thanks. What's the fricking point of these hueg dragons if you can't see shit
Yup they suck, dragon fights in FS games have always sucked. Midir is the only exception.
I wish fromsoft would, for once, use dlc to answer lore questions. But no, we're getting completely unrelated shit about an irrelevant twink.
They usually do answer some shit but then add more questions with the DLC. The Ringed city for example explained more about humanity and the dark soul as well as confirming Gwyn was the source of the curse.
...ringed city gave us literally nothing new. We already knew Gwyn was the source of the curse in dark souls 1.
Where's gwynevere? What happened to Gwyn's first born (I refuse to believe he turned into a brain rotted dragon fricker who doesn't even interact with you)? What happened to the whole fire keeper eyes/dark world shit? Absolutely frick all got answered.
>We already knew Gwyn was the source of the curse in dark souls 1
it was fairly obvious but we got solid confirmation for what thats worth
>Where's gwynevere?
in bed with a bunch of grubs supposedly
>What happened to Gwyn's first born (I refuse to believe he turned into a brain rotted dragon fricker who doesn't even interact with you)?
refuse to believe all you want the nameless king is the first born
>What happened to the whole fire keeper eyes/dark world shit?
testing the memory here but i think that was some kind of futuresight. seeing a potential or perhaps inevitable future world without the flame? something like that
>The dark world shit
Sick of this moronic misinterpretation. The old shrine maiden is in the unkept graves area despite easily being missed.
It is shown by her dialog that you have gone back in time to Firelink during a period in which the flame is not in peril. She doesn't even assume you're an ashen one and instead assumes you're a pilgrim, possibly even a living person, because the bell of awakening had not resurrected people yet.
Yes the sky is black, but people look into that too much and act like it's some age of dark time line or something. If you do a certain sequence the present Shrine Maiden will say you look familiar because of the time travel that has occurred.
In fact, this is also reinforced by Gundyr's shit which implies that it was (you) who disgraced him.
I like the DLCs being that way because it acts as a filter. The main games have always made total sense as self-contained stories and the DLC often doesn't do much except expand on what was already there, but lorelets (LIKE YOU) come into the DLC thinking that they need to "answer questions"
Yeah you don't mind eating random slop I know.
For me, I see the crazy potential for scenarios that fromsoftware could come up with, but they never go anywhere with their ideas because morons like you just want another corridor with iframe spam boss fight at the end.
I like eating the slop that you think is random, because I'm intelligent enough to see the coherence in it, and how the ambiguity improves it
Friendly reminder that up until release, all the demigod children were born with a distinct runner. Malenia, for example, was born with the Rune of Decay. This was changed to outer gods' influence last minute.
Makes sense, the Elden Ring is INSIDE Radagon when you fight him, I bet you yanked them out of their bodies after you won.
She talks about destined death it a lot so there's some correlation, and the way the purple eye reveal cutscene is framed suggests that there is a connection between her purple eye and DD but it could mean a lot of things.
Until we get more concrete info my headcanon is that she's just a daughter of Marika who had a fragment of DD sealed inside of her. Having a piece of DD is likely necessary to fulfill her role as kindling maiden since we need to unbind DD in order for her fire to actually do anything.
GEQ could've been Marika's Sister, Mother, or just a random other empyrean with no inherent commect to Marika it doesn't really matter she was just another candidate for godhood that Marika defeated during her conquest of the Lands Between.
who gives a frick the game is over and the lore is trash lmao
>who gives a frick the game is over and the lore is trash lmao
If Elden Ring is so good, why isn't there a single dragon fight in the game that doesn't suck?
because theres more to the game than just dragon fights.
that said it does piss me off. all they had to do was recreate what made midir a good dragon fight but instead we get fights that are even shittier than skyrims
whats wrong with placidusax
It's shit.
great argument
It was enough to beat you.
placidusax is mid but not shit. if the player was kept in front of him it wouldve been a great fight, but it devolves into wailing on his side while he moronicly spams fire in front
Fortisaxx and Lanseaxx can be pretty good ifyoure
low enough level and going for the head, the fight is very tedious but also very easy if you just wack the back legs, especially Fortisaxx since he she? I don't remember has the lighting triggers when you're under him which means you have to take a walk after every couple hits.
Placi is just kinda annoying, most of his attacks are pretty easy to dodge but the lingering hit box on his swipes can frick you up and his shin godzilla double laser move is annoying if you don't know the cheese. Though these are only really a problem on nohit.
god i hope we the gloam eyed queen in the DLC.
Ranni is melina u moron