>Dumb plot (Let's do everything that super powerful mage dude asks of us instead of killing him, what can go wrong?)
>Ugly portraits
>Awful music
>Quirky reddit companions (GO FOR THE EYES BOO! XD)
>Poor quest desing, go clear another dungeon, go fetch another mcguffin
>Dumb dialogues. 1 INT half-orc will have the same lines as 18 INT elf wizard.
>Lack of any meaningful choices, being evil is almost impossible
Can someone explain to me why people compare this shitty game to masterpieces like Fallout and Arcanum?
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Waifus and romances.
>Coomerbait for lonely losers
Absolutely pathetic
casters are fun
Irenicus is level 29 and charname is level 8 at the start you can't do shit to him
No i'm talking about how he killed people in the middle of a city and mages didn't do anything because they were afraid to lose more men in fighting him. Let's just forget that resurrection costs 100g and priest is around the corner so casualties wouldn't even matter.
does resurection work on petrification and disintegration in 2nd edition?
Petrification doesn't kill you so it just requires a dispel and disintegrated people can be resurrected
>Petrification doesn't kill you
it does if the statue gets destroyed. no going back from that.
He was level 30 and has unlimited magic missiles and shit. He's far above them. CHARNAME at level 30 rapes pretty much anything put in front of him, too.
I'm pretty sure an entire city of mages can defeat some lvl 30 moron, if not then it's just moronic world building.
is this your first high-fantasy setting?
Is having plotholes necessary for high-fantasy setting?
Then how come you kill him in the end? What prevents 500 high lvl adventurers from doing the same? Are you the only one who is allowed to lvl up?
>Is having plotholes necessary for high-fantasy setting?
You are having issues understanding scale. No , a whole city can't take down a top level wizard. We can just cast protection from normal weapons and stack some immunities and he is untouchable outside outside relics and shit.
BBEGs in high-fantasy settings can solo cities and even nations. It's not street-level shit. It's continent-wide epics.
Dispel is a thing you know? I'm pretty sure if I ran a simulation where I made him fight the entire city he would lose
in 5th edition maybe , due to action economy. Not in 2nd
If an entire city of mages can't control him then atleast don't do everything he asks of you, is it that hard? And if he is that powerful then just let him destroy the city and kill everyone, right now he makes mages (and writers) look like morons
At what point are you doing "everything he asks of you?"
What things, specifically, Irenicus request of MC that you are forced to do to advance the story?
I'm talking about cowled mages
I still don't understand you. He is captured, he let himself be captured instead of escaping and then takes over their HQ from the inside.
Are you saying the cowled wizards to the MC? they don't give him any orders.
I'm saying that mages followed irenicus' orders and didn't try to do anything about him. It comes off like writers tried to write some smart manipulative villain but didn't knew how so they made everyone else moronic instead.
>He couldn't give two fricks about the city, you absolute moron.
And? He can destroy the city and is killing government officials, that should be a big concern for the country.
>>let's look at an altercation that happened suddenly and lasted maybe a few minutes
He was in prison for longer than that. They could use their time to hire an army and surround his bubble before he rebelled
Just because you keep saying that they "followed his orders" doesn't mean they did. And the point isn't to show that he's manipulative, it's to show that the power structures of society aren't strong enough to even affect him, that there is no answer to the Jon Irenicus problem outside of your own actions.
>So where did the whole "Lets do everything...." happen?
>doesn't mean they did
>"Take me with you, but also that girl because
why not"
>"Okay"
Are you moronic or haven't you played the game? Or maybe if you did it was 20 years ago and nostalgia googles are preventing you from seeing straight
>it's to show that the power structures of society aren't strong enough to even affect him, that there is no answer to the Jon Irenicus problem outside of your own actions
That's just moronic world building. If people like that can fight off entire countries then wouldn't it make sense for said countries to be ruled by people of irenicus' strenght because they can just assume power? Isn't it weird that only you and the main villain are super powerful meanwhile everyone else is just a mook with zero power or agency?
Telling a police officer trying to arrest you "fine, then arrest us officer. Also she has weed in her pocket." is not forcing the cops to obey your will. They were trying to capture him, that was literally their entire purpose.
And literally the entire point of the setting is that society is always on the brink, that there is need for heroes to save the day from otherwise unbeatable evil and keep the world turning, because it's a fricking D&D setting.
The mages would have taken Imoen as well even if Irenicus didn't say anything. She got involved in the fight, casted in the street, and she may be a key piece of information regarding this powerful wizard that appeared out of nowhere.
He knows how the cowled wizards operate. He just uses that to his advantage and shit talks a little. What is so hard to understand?
The mages never follow his orders. They do what they are ordered and trained to do, capture spellcasters and put them in prison.
When he appears, they don't know who he is, he is an unknown mage and they are not aware at all how powerful he is.
They acknowledge his power is immense, but they also believe they can overwhelm him. They threaten Irenicus, and some cowled wizards are able to use high level magic so they are not properly assessing the situation.
If you play through the game you will realize that shit like that happens sometimes. It wouldn't be the first out of control powerful wizard that they put in prison.
Also, even if he is powerful, yes, there are other high level characters that could ruin his plans. It's not a good idea to act in the open no matter how powerful he is.
Therefore he surrenders. The mages believe he has surrendered and is just a shit talker.
Spellhold is very high security, once he is inside, it's game over for this unknown mage.
Nothing here is weird or a plot hole or nothing else.
>HQ
Their super-remote jail away from civilization.
It's not their HQ.
>there is this super strong guy, and he can kill you by blinking
>"we are you listening to what he says?"
it's a mystery, anon
>just let him kill you and all your friends and your sister and everyone else 🙂
holy moron.
Spell immunity: Abjuration, spell trap, spell turning, Globe of immortality, protection from magical weapons, protection from normal weapons/missiles. I am now completely immune to all forms of dispell magics and damage
You are the spawn of a god. By the time you fight him, you can also wipe out an entire city, and the game even lets you try.
You can kill every single NPC in the city. The mages and the city will send their greatest champions to fight, but they eventually run out and it's just you and a pile of corpses.
If you are looking for something more down to earth, you need to go for BG1.
>What prevents 500 high lvl adventurers from doing the same?
You recruit most high level individuals in the area to your party.
He takes the elven main city like nothing and they're a pretty strong civilization
What had cowled mages done to outmanipulate him? Had they had any safety measures to prevent him from escaping while he was in captivity? They knew that he is super powerful god but did nothing about it? Right now I listened to cutscene and it was like
>"Wow this guy is sooo poweful we can't silence him!"
>"Oh well, that's sad, let's hope he decides to stay in the bubble and doesn't do anything because we can't do anything if he doesn't"
Not every adventurer has to be a bhalspaawn, there are many people who are more powerful than you. Also adventuring is in high demand in this setting so it's only natural that there would be a group of people that are supposed to deal with these problems
>Why the frick would 500 high level adventures have any interest in a random dude killing annoying magic jannies?
Because he is threatening to destroy the city and it's inhabitants? Because he has good loot? Because mages can offer 100 gazillion gold?
>Athkatla is a rough city, people murdering each other in the streets aren't an uncommon sign.
You are comparing a country threatening force that can kill everyone to some gang war?
>Because he is threatening to destroy the city and it's inhabitants?
He couldn't give two fricks about the city, you absolute moron.
You're complaining about a plot you barely understand.
And then even if you weren't wrong about that, you're still doing bizarro game logic instead of actual realism:
>let's look at an altercation that happened suddenly and lasted maybe a few minutes
>wtf why didn't a WORLD QUEST just pop up on the screen of every high level within 100 kilometers?????????
You realize that your party is nearly the strongest group of people in the entire city from minute one, right? There's not some massive wave of level 20s that you could throw at him, most "high" level adventurers are like level 6.
>Because he is threatening to destroy the city and it's inhabitants? Because he has good loot? Because mages can offer 100 gazillion gold?
And none of these are worth getting vaporized in 0.1 seconds by an untouchable force
You think irenicus is just some dude, not only is he a fricking genius and a prodigy, he's a level 30 fricking elf who's had shitloads of time to study and experiment. He's trying to become a god. Do you know who reaches level 30? Fricking no one lad.
He goes with the mages so he can immediately overpower everyone in spellhold and take it over as his new cushy pad.
>there are many people who are more powerful than you.
No, there aren't. Literally nobody is more powerful than you in game, you beat every other bhaalspawn, you beat every major encounter, you have founded every legendary ancient magical artifact that exists in the goddamn world and equipped them, you unironically ascend to godhood shortly after beating irenicus for frick sake.
You simply do not understand d&d power level at that edition. Even the best non player character "adventurers" in the world are not more than like level 10. Drizzt is level 16 in game, and he's some legendary worldwide fricking hero. Irenicus is LEVEL 30.
You can't just farm goblins to gain levels, that's an abstraction for the purpose of players engaging in a game. In terms of lore you level very slowly and you are hard capped by your own raw talent and the fact that you will inevitably die because you cannot just reload like the player, and you have to continue fighting stronger and stronger opponents to improve.
The cowled mages couldn't do anything to him, they knew that instantly. One million cowled mages could not do anything to him or contain him.
Your arguments are all moronic because there's nothing anyone could do, it is all instant death within a heartbeat and big shock, people don't want to die let alone die for nothing.
>Drizzt is level 16 in game
The game does not represent Drizzt's actual level, since he is also around level 30. In 2nd edition d&d levels.
>My Villain Sue is 30 lvl god super genius and no once can stop him because I said so!
Sounds like something I wrote when I was 10 years old
Not that anon, but that's basically all villains or it wouldn't be up to the player alone to stop him.
>but that's basically all villains
No, that's just poorly written villains. You don't have to make an all powerful demigod that can destroy entire countries solo because that's just unrealistic.
>it wouldn't be up to the player alone to stop him.
And what's the issue? I don't see what's wrong in player aligning with groups with similar interests, in fallout you got help from BS. Master was very powerful but he wasn't written like a Mary Sue
>The mages never follow his orders. They do what they are ordered and trained to do, capture spellcasters and put them in prison.
And they fail miserably in the single task they were trained to do. Great writing
>they are not aware at all how powerful he is.
They literally say that he is too powerful for them to control and can't prevent him from casting spells, have you played the game or are you being dishonest and straight up lying?
>Also, even if he is powerful, yes, there are other high level characters that could ruin his plans
Read my previous messages, I was talking about it and people replied with "You don't understand! He is so powerful that only you can stop him!"
Police officer then proceeds to put cuffs on you and prevents you from doing anything. In this game police doesn't even take his gun away so he just begins shooting everyone once he is in prison and ppl act surprised.
>because that's just unrealistic.
not in the setting it isn't, gods exist, they fricking fight shit all the time
I already explored this here
. If gods are common then countries should be ruled by gods because they have the monopoly on violence.
>literal god
>rule a country
Why? This dude can wish diamonds into existence on a whim, why the frick HAHAHAH, I'm sorry, but why the frick would a GOD become a politician?
Oh my fricking god, you're stupid.
>then countries should be ruled by gods
the gods do not give enough of a fricking shit, please read the setting anon.
yes by whatever official metrics they use as i said sure, but i still don't agree because a level 18 x to me means a very specific power level and feat capability that is beyond what drizzt does. and idk he was a fighter/ranger in 2e, whatever he is now could be anything knowing wotc
>and feat capability
There are no feats in 2nd edition.
I am not referring to d&d feats, I am referring to feats in the literal sense of the word that was used before d&d was even made. Climbing a mountain is a feat, fighting 100 guys at once is a feat. Drizzt is not capable of performing the feats I would associate with a level 16 or 18 being able to perform.
You've never read any drizzt books have you?
>that's just unrealistic.
>dungeons and dragons
Such levels of autism. How does the cowled wizard making a mistake means bad writing?
It's an emergency, why is it so hard to believe that the fricking police made a mistake because they do what they are trained to do?
A mage being too powerful for a couple of wizards means you don't get him to prison?
Just stop, it's embarrassing.
>my Ideal RPG Villain is a weak and low IQ lvl 1 shit
great writing anon, go on
>Being powerful is the same as being a god mary sue that no one can stop because he is just so cool!
BG2 players have no brains it seems
I won't even bother reading this because you are moronic and will just keep on spamming the same thing over and over again
You read it and have no argument.
powerful is the same as being a god mary sue that no one can stop because he is just so cool!
Yes, beyond a certain level of power they are the same thing to just about any living creature in the setting. Only demigods and gods stop other demigods and gods, and they do not give a single frick about some elf or human killing other elves or humans or blowing up entire countries.
He's not a Mary Sue, though. You frick up his plans in the asylum. He's physically disfigured and also emotionally broken. He feels nothing but rage due to the curse placed on him by the elven gods. He's a sad individual despite being very powerful. The fricking guy literally calls himself "Irenicus", which means shattered one.
>Being powerful is the same as being a weak, low IQ moron that a literal house cat can stop because he is just so shit!
go on, anon, I'm listening to your perfect super villain theory...
Yes, shockingly the villain has to be a real threat unstoppable by other means or other people, it's kind of central to the story and motivation you moron. The villain doesn't exist if he just has to hide in a cave because some mage association can stop him lmfao
I'm aware, but that's also not something I agree on. I don't think drizzt is anywhere close to level 30, I think he's unironically lower than 16 by how I determine level power. He's just a fighter/ranger, and at level like 12 a fighter can command like a full army or some shit, which drizzt could probably do. At level 30 a fighter would command entire worlds worth of people in battle, and far beyond people he could command every planes army combined, drizzt is not that insane even if he gets a million novels
Drizzt is level 18 fighter, level 1 or 2 barb, I think there's some mage in there and level 16 ranger.
He's quite leveled.
Irenicus is the same level as Elminster
>main villain is powerful and requires all of your strength and wits to defeat
>this is bad writing
Make the bait less obvious next time.
>Mary Sue villain is good writing
Why must you be so moronic?
Because they are the only ones who possibly can. Even if they don't care they would put some puppet government in charge
>Even if they don't care they would put some puppet government in charge
WHY
WE JUST ESTABLISHED THEY DON'T CARE ANON fricking hell.
they do not care about anyone elses wellbeing, they don't care if the world even continues to exist most of the time, they are gods, they are beyond giving a frick about just about anything. and least of all the mortal plane
I don't know DND that well but I know that some gods answer to prayers and there are also gods for entire races. Lolth for example built drow society. Even if there is one god who is even remotely interested in ruling the world he would do so without any problem.
This is your average Mary Sue tragic backstory though, the only difference is that he is defeated because plot demands it
Master from Fallout isn't weak but he isn't a Mary Sue either
>This is your average Mary Sue tragic backstory though,
Do you even understand what a Mary Sue is, you moronic zoomer? Mary Sues are flawless, Irenicus is flawed to the point where the gods themselves took his soul as punishment for his hubris and arrogance.
If you're talking literal Gods, then they are bound by the rules of the Overgod, and defying him does not go well, hence Bhaal being dead and the Age of Strife. If you mean villains with Godlike powers, they do sometimes, and D&D heroes usually stop them. Like Elminster, who is an ACTUAL Mary Sue.
>Lolth for example built drow society
Lolth literally eats people anon.
>Lolth was a goddess of cold cruelty not out of place in the darkest depths of the endless Abyss,[19] reveling in betrayal and bloodshed[35] and toying with everyone from her minions to her victims.[19] She not only enjoyed, but thrived upon torture, destruction, and death, whether personally performing it or causing it. Every interaction was ultimately done with malice
>she fomented unending chaos amongst the drow, eternally setting them against each other. Ostensibly this was to weed out the weak and complacent, leaving only the strongest, cruelest, and most devious to serve her, and to some degree she believed this, but it was also simply for her own amusement and supremacy.[12][39][40]
Some gods answer prayers of their followers, when they feel like it, but it is almost entirely for their own benefit
You don't know how d&d gods function do you?
They need mortals. They can't exist without mortals. If mortals stop worshipping them, the gods die.
And you don't understand humans. They will worship gods, nebulous, unknowable, miracle performers. They will not worship their fricking local governor just because he tells them to and kills people who don't.
The gods subsist on faith, not on obedience.
And that has nothing to do with what I said.
It's also not exclusively mortals iirc, the mortal realm could go to shit you still have various planes where beings lesser than full out gods can be used as faith buffets
So you haven't read anything about gods in forgotten realms.
Gods only get strength from mortals on the prime material plane.
Angels worshipping them in Mount Celestia literally does nothing for them.
As of BG2 era, I don't think they got power from any worship, it was just the Overgod's decrees that kept them doing their jobs, or if not it had only just changed after the Time of Troubles.
BG2 takes place after the time of troubles. That's why Bhaal is dead.
This isn't true, because you have entities like the lady of pain who was, whilst not confirmed to be a god or anything one way or another, absolutely on the level of one as she could directly block them. And whilst she often killed people she caught worshipping her, she was shown to directly gain power through the faith and reverence and respect of the people in her city, and sigil was not infact full of prime material plane mortals in any majority.
The other anon is right though, wotc changed how gods functioned entirely far more recently than 25 years ago and nobody gives a frick about their modern setting
No one cares what wotc did. We're talking about BG2 which is d&d second edition.
THEY WILL IF THEY KNOW WHAT'S FOR 'EM
>Mary Sue
see
>weak and powerless villain is good writing
>they would put some puppet government in charge
that sounds like the most boring villain I ever heard of. you already have that shit all around the world, why the frick would I want this in my fantasy stories?
>Because they are the only ones who possibly can.
Dumbest possible take. This is like saying "why don't humans rule ant colonies - they're so powerful, they're the only ones who can!" - we could, and a few of us actually do this, but in reality, most people just don't give enough of a frick to own a formicarium; there are just better things to do with our time. Do you not think if you could visit other planes of reality and change the fundamental laws of the universe, you might have something more engaging to do than, idk, rule over a bunch of homosexual peasants?
Irenicus isn't a god, he's attempting to become one. Ruling a country quite clearly isn't nearly enough for his character, that's level-15 fighter shit.
If they don't care then why do they bother answering to prayers? If they care then why don't they rule over them?
>Mary Sues are flawless
Irenicus' is shown as flawless in BG2 for the duration of time I played. Tragic backstory isn't a flaw, being so cool that gods themselves punished you isn't a flaw. You are a total buffoon who doesn't know how flaws work
>D&D heroes
I think I talked about it, there should more DnD heroes than just the mainchar and his party because it's very immersion breaking and dumb
>Irenicus' is shown as flawless in BG2 for the duration of time I played
Wait, you didn't even play the first mission of the game?
I stopped playing after failing mage stronghold quest because I chose to play differently and was punished for it
So not only did you not read any Dialogue until a early to mid-game quest, you also quit the game because you failed a single quest?
You are not only moronic, you are autistic on top?
>If they care then why don't they rule over them?
Not allowed.
No it would be fricking dumb if Superman was walking down every single alleyway and nothing could actually challenge the status quo. The entire point of a D&D story is the group rising up and growing to meet an insurmountable challenge. You know, like an RPG.
>If they don't care then why do they bother answering to prayers? If they care then why don't they rule over them?
Did you think was some type of checkmate? It isn't...
>I think I talked about it, there should more DnD heroes than just the mainchar and his party because it's very immersion breaking and dumb
Does something like that really bother you?
The whole setting falls apart really quickly if you start thinking critically about it (as do most fantasy settings).
Jesus Christ, I only read the response to my post and I didn't see how fricking stupid you were. Irenicus wasn't punished for being perfect, he was punished because he tried to suck the life out of the magic divine Elf tree. He had power and influence, and someone he loved, but he was greedy and wanted more power. He failed, but the attempt itself damned him, and both he and his sister had their souls removed and were banished. He wants the essence of Bhaal because he thinks it will fill the hole inside of him, except it's been so long that he doesn't even remember what the shape of the hole was, he doesn't remember joy or love, or anything that he actually lost, so all he can still truly desire is more power, which does nothing for him.
It's THE classical villain tale, and it's done so well because, as the literal opposite of you're moronic take, he's pathetic. Everything he's doing is doomed to failure from the very start, and everything that happened to him is not only his own fault, but the result of his own greed and weakness.
>and it's done so well because
Can you explain why the elves "removed his soul" rather than just killing him? How were they even able to do it if he was so powerful?
I like Irenicus's voice acting and writing but the story is still moronic
Death is a mercy.
not him, and I never finished BG 2, but sometimes people view life imprisonment as more cruel than the death penalty.
Because 1) it's punishment worse than death in D&D 2) Ellesime still had hope he can be redeemed
>Ellesime still had hope he can be redeemed
But... they just ripped his soul out, do they even know how their own magic spells work?
Right, but he came back just as strong, if not stronger than before, and almost wiped them out a second time
He wasn't an enemy to them, he was one of their most well respected leaders who had fricked up in a monumental way. The idea that he would get roided up on God juice and bust down their doors to try again never occurred to them.
>But... they just ripped his soul out, do they even know how their own magic spells work?
IIRC the explanation given was they somehow thought mutilating him and casting him out would teach him humility, instead of making him a rage.
The elves were very, very dumb, not defending that part of the writing.
The Queen was invested in not killing him and went by the logic that a fate so horrible would humble a man and make them do anything to redeem themselves.
She even admits it was a bad idea when you question how she could be that fricking stupid, which indicates that she knew full well that it wouldn't work.
>what can change the nature of a man?
Estrogen in the water
Gods have clerics and paladin to do that shit. Everything is fine as long as they continue to be worshiped.
They won't intercede to stop human bullshit, but they will move their followers against the followers of other gods.
>What had cowled mages done to outmanipulate him? Had they had any safety measures to prevent him from escaping while he was in captivity?
Nothing, they don't realize how powerful he is. They essentially got filtered in the same way you did. In reality, they'd constructed what he'd already been in the process of constructing - a prison to experiment on Imoen - and he could either waste his time blowing up the city and drawing attention to himself or just take over Spellhold and keep doing what he was already doing under Athkatla.
>I'm saying that mages followed irenicus' orders and didn't try to do anything about him.
They followed their own orders and arrested him when he surrendered. Irenicus doesn't "manipulate" them by pretending to be weak, he's simply bored at their distraction and allows them to take him if they also take Imoen. The Cowled Wizards assume they've cowed him, the writing makes it very clear to the player that isn't the case, as Irenicus clearly doesn't give a frick about them, only Imoen.
The rest of your posts are even dumber, BG2 is a game about apotheosis, so it makes sense that only the main character and maybe a handful of others are powerful enough to go toe-to-toe with people like Irenicus who are on the cusp of achieving god status. I get that there's no accounting for taste, but this is like watching someone critique 'There Will Be Blood' for being "boring".
So OP is a literal schizo I guess.
>What prevents 500 high lvl adventurers from doing the same?
They don't fricking exist in the setting dumbass, you are bhaalspawn, there are only a few of you still around
>Are you the only one who is allowed to lvl up?
Yes, believe it or not NOT VERY MANY CHARACTERS IN THE SETTING REACH THE LEVEL THEY CAN FIGHT A FULL GROWN DRAGON OR A GOD HOLY FRICK ANON
> Are you the only one who is allowed to lvl up?
yes, that's usually how role-playing games work. player characters level up, non-player characters have static levels.
>What prevents 500 high lvl adventurers from doing the same?
You're the moron thinking in unrealistic terms here.
Why the frick would 500 high level adventures have any interest in a random dude killing annoying magic jannies?
Athkatla is a rough city, people murdering each other in the streets aren't an uncommon sign.
The wizard group Irenicus beats is just a shitty bureaucrat bunch in charge of an annoying magic tax scheme.
It's like expecting real world millionaires to grab a gun an join the war on drugs, and not because of any actual victims, but because IRS is sad about not getting their share.
Do you understand how fricking rare and powerful level 30 characters are? Consider that you can kill dragons at level 10-ish, and you kill demons and hell knights in BG1 where the level cap is 8.
>I'm pretty sure an entire city of mages can defeat some lvl 30 moron
Irenicus is basically a god.
he let himself be caught after a fashion because he wanted to get taken with Imoen to continue his experiments
Those mages are a joke compared to him he could wipe out the entire city
NTA, but lorewise how do high level spellcasters actually beat armies/cities? Won't they run out of spell slots at some point? In gameplay, even high level spells like Dragon's Breath don't seem to be on the level of destroying cities and they can't be spammed infinitely.
Summon planetar alone can kill hundreds of chuds. And they have spells too. Summoning spells would probably be your best bet to kill armies
The average civvie has like 6 hp. The average guard or soldier is maybe a level 3 fighter. Couple o fireballs alone would wipe out entire platoons.
If you're a mage with the powerlevel of charname in bg2 or god forbid in throne of bhaal you could absolutely slaughter an entire army before you need to take a nap
In third edition epic spells can do things like rain fire on a gigantic zone of multiple km for a week
I don't see them beating an actual big city with high level mages in it though
Lore does not equal gameplay limitations/mechanics.
Even then there are many ways to break gameplay mechanics, find loopholes, or rules lawyer your way into making characters more overpowered than lore would reasonably allow.
You can't resurrect from disintegration. In game, you can't even raise someone if exploded with a crit.
Lorewise, it costs tons of DIAMOND DUST. You know how rare that shit is? They save it for very important people.
Also, in 2e, a lot of magic aged the caster. Level 7 resurrection aged the caster by 3 years. Not that much, but not that little either if you are a human...
He gibbed them, moron.
Irenicus surrendered and was taken to giga-jail. He might have done it because it's more expedient for him, but from the point of view of the wizards and the player, he did actually chicken out of fighting an endless wave of mid-level casters.
OP is a moronic homosexual as usual.
Dumb moron. Resurrection being cheap is purely a gameplay mechanic so that the player isn't left with zero party members.
In the lore it costs a fortune to do.
>Irenicus is level 29
Huh how does that even work
He lifts
you see, in 2nd edition the maximum level was 40
but most of the longest campaigns ended at 20 which is why they changed it to 20 in later editions
I did play BG2 ToB but I don't remember being that high level. Guess I forgot or multiclassed or whatever.
I should replay it.
>look guys! I'm "deconstructing" the game , just like my favourite journalists do!
i tried to get into this game but i couldnt. when i got to the city and was told I had to get like 20,000 gold, I was expecting to see quests everywhere, but I walked around a lot and hardly found any. The game directed me to talk to some lady, but she sent me far away from the city to a stronghold, when Im still supposed to be doing quests in the city. I must have missed something because I didn't really get it. i looked it up and was told to go down into the city sewers, but the monsters were tough and it seemed like too much above my level. weird game
there are quests under every rock , wtf are you talking about?
that wasnt my experience. i walk around the city and talk to people and hardly find any quests
are you coming from the modern game experience where quest=5000 dots on a map to pick up golden dog poop ? right from when you leave Irenicus dungeon there is
>the circus tent
>the slavers in the copper cornet
>Korgans quest to plunder some undead booty
>Nalias quest to help her free the castle
>Jierdans quest
>the sword in the sewers quest
I mean its not a ton but for the first 5 minutes in the city it seems reasonable to set you on your path
There is a circus-tent right otuside the crater where you pop-up. There is an Inn with 3-4 quests. The temple has 2-3 , docs have 2 (I think , and even the bridge has some hidden ones.
How can you possibly enjoy Fallout 2 if BG2 is too "quirky" for you? Did you actually play any of these games? Be honest OP.
I regret playing this with Imoen's romance mod without knowing who she was in the first place.
Larian thread
I hate BG2 and DOS2 equally for the same reasons
DOS2 at least has good companions, a good story, good combat, good environments, and good quest design. None of which BG 1 or 2 has. Or any BioWare game for that matter.
>bg3 worth it?
>Can someone explain to me why people compare this shitty game to masterpieces like Fallout and Arcanum?
Almost like being able to actually control your party is kind of an important factor in these games anon. And y'know, variety instead of like 5 enemies total in fallout.
>>Lack of any meaningful choices, being evil is almost impossible
>literally an entire set of companions that are evil specifically so you can be evil without hardlocking yourself
>almost no limitations on who you can kill or frick over
>noo we should kill this mage who is one of the strongest people around and we're at his mercy, yep, just magically kill him at level 7, it can totally work
You are a clown ok I see.
>roleplaying means the game has to let me do things or I can't pretend right
I hate midwids
>awful music
>Awful music
badly disguised bait thread btw
its how people start threads because they learned how to communicate from bait. raised on Ganker peope exist now.
>Awful music
I will not even bother to read more of your stupid opinions. What a homosexual.
CRPG were never good and it sucks having a CRPGgay in your dnd game
>Let's do everything that super powerful mage dude asks of us instead of killing him
When does this literally ever happen in bg2?
Right after you get out of prison
You are literally never in prison. What the frick are you talking about?
You start the game in the fricking cage you moron
That's not prison. That's being held captive. There's a difference. And you still never do what Irenicus says.
So where did the whole "Lets do everything...." happen?
>play a video game
>meet a super strong villain
>immediately uninstall
if I cannot kill the boss in the first minute of the game, it's not worth my time
Must i be interrupted at every turn
You are unironically 100% correct. Baldurs Gate was always Reddit shit for morons.
>unironically
BG2 was so kino. I fell in love with the voice acting. The guy that played Minsc was in so many cartoons in the 90s.
>Quirky reddit companions (GO FOR THE EYES BOO! XD)
Minsc was in Baldur's Gate 1.
Not related to BG2 but BG1 is honest to god the worst video game I ever played
The plot is downright dogshit, the companions are souless husks, the combat (real time pause in general) is the worst combat I think I have used in any fricking game, ever
Just frick this entire series, it's overhyped trash
>moron writes laughable bullshit
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og Fallout> Baldurs Shit
reddit didn't exist when this came out you spastic
also fallout 1+2 are painfully slow and no one cares about arcanum
The plot is much more coherent and makes much more sense than 1 tbh
Both are fun games
The whole Bhaalspawn thing is funny, imagine hearing you will die for being a little shit and your response is "I must frick"
Truly, Bhaal was the most human of gods
>Fricking Elminster himself cares about you and helps you from fricking level 1
CHARNAME is such a mary sue holy shit
its called having fun with the setting you miserable piece of shit. keep yourself safe
He barely does anything though, just walks up and says some vague shit before fricking off
Impressive thread
Good gameplay and content. I get to kill lots of monsters and get lots of loot. Simple as.