And thank god for that, I never gave a shit in the first place, but from 2015 to 2020 it felt like every competitive team-based multiplayer was aiming to becoming an e-sport first and a fun experience second. Hopefully it will dwindle down and dissappear.
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It will never disappear entirely, it's only the games who tried to force it instead of support anything that happened organically that will implode
Theres nothing wrong with competitive games. It was just moronic that they designed games that couldn't be competitive over the course of a weekend in open bracket tournaments. The only thing worse than being a fatass who doesn't play the sport he watches is being a fatass who doesn't play the esport of the fatasses he watches play.
>Theres nothing wrong with competitive games.
more like, there is nothing right about e-sports
e-sport is nothing but the commercialization of competetive gaming
This, even the name "e-sports" reeks of this pathetic attempt at mainstream validation.
This. It all went downhill when publishers decided they should own a monopoly over how their game is played.
the problem with E-Sports is that investors kept thinking they were going to make billions like selling out a football stadium for 2 teams to fight in LoL. the big issue i have is the trend of making games ONLY for esports and then rejecting any sort of fun. even call of duty has given up and put in fun bullshit like gungame and zombies while Halo Infinite is still recovering from its esports focused bullshit and finally adding infection after 2 years. the sooner games go back to just being fun without meta weapon balance homos ruining it the better
Is gaming also dead? People like andrewTate jordan peterson destroyed gaming? Im so glad its dead
esports became an even bigger joke when shit like rocket league and nba 2k started doing it
Blame Timmy the pedophile.
>nba 2k esports
I really don't get what kind of mental gymnastics are at play here
Like... why?
glorified advertisement for selling merch.
Rocket league is a natural esport game though?
rocket league makes more sense as a en-sport than any other e-sport ever made
Rocket league makes way too much sense, nba2k might work if actual NBA shares their big bucks. The real moronation is BR E-sports that shit is sad to look at.
Only in America. Americans jump shit to new shiny thing when it appears. Now they're all on Valorant. In a few years it'll be something else.
MUST CONSOOM
Black person, i see euro teams more than any other esports shit
Black person, that's what I mean.
I read how DOTA/ LOL / CSGO are dead all the time in NA. Europe is less volatile and Korea is the most stable esports environment.
NA zoomzooms all drop current_thing for next_big_thing, which makes it not a reliable long term investment for teams.
good news
There are a lot of games that I wish had a large competitive scene but don't.
Like... Spy Party.
Would that fly nowadays? Esports where you get to headshot a guy in a wheelchair on loop would probably get yelled at.
Would be fricking great though.
Esports can only thrive in Korea and China because they cannot do anything else that other countries do better in competitive sports. China only does well in Olympics because of the sheer number of competitors.
E-sports especially don't matter in the US because we're shit at video games. Every competitive team game is just a guaranteed loss. MOBA? We lose. FPS? We lose. Those MMO world firsts? Always a Europe or Asia guild. We're shit at team video games for some reason.
E-Sports in US should be treated as the WWE, even going as far as to "rig" matches for entertainment purposes.
Twitch Rivals is not a true e-sport but it was more popular because it got a bunch of streamers to compete against each other. Most e-sport players are skinny korean twinks and bongs that are butt ass ugly with the personality of a cigarette butt.
But then illegal betting wouldn't be possible.
People bet on pro wrestling all the time in the earlier kayfabe days. When your actors are dedicated to the craft and the stories are getting total rewrites up to the last minute, even rigged fights are risky bets.
>E-Sports in US should be treated as the WWE, even going as far as to "rig" matches for entertainment purposes.
Holy shit imagine putting the strap on Low Tier God. DIMES as frick.
>for some reason.
I watched a lot of LoL esports way back when in 2013-2015 or something, and the US scene was a joke mostly because I think it would get good players who were marketable or would make them money rather than be competitive.
I remember TSM always having these big name streamers who had cult-like status but would get dumpstered the moment an EU player came up, or god forbid a korean player.
It reached the point where they just started sniping up EU players and putting them in US teams.
Thats why us is world leader they dont lead in moron thing
Exactly. All Americans are good at are becoming clown personalities aka ecelebs. For esports, they draw peoples eyes to the camera. But they don't make them stay because they quickly see the clown fricking sucks at the game.
Well, the USA literally is clown world so there you go.
If it’s not a Doturd, Lolab CSyka or some big Chinese game or some shit you don’t make money on esports and monetary they are a meme indeed.
At least in doturd the issue is that most U.S. players want to be a solo superstar in a heavily team oriented game and fat gays refuse to scrim in their region, there are probably more scrims between EU and China at this point. Too bad most of U.S. ‘talent’ has a personality of frick all and fade away very fast.
I'm pretty sure that Riot has publicly stated that esports still hasn't broken even for them.
Which means, in reality, they've lost absolute tons of money on it. Which is a good thing.
Which is something they have always known, they fricking shell out 45 million dollars every year to their partnered ("franchised") teams. They just want the clout of being seen as a great esport game (like its rival CS), I dont think they anticipated that all NA CS """pros"""" would switch so quickly though.
I really dont get why they went with "franchising" instead of letting teams sell gun buddies (or even skins) and fund teams that way
b-but we ameribros are the best in muhvel and muhlay (if japan doesn't play)
Sports are based on real life things played for years and are few in between. Games are a lot more in quantity than real life sports. How do you determine which game will bring in the most views? Most games are shit and making them an esport is a bad idea
have there ever been any relatively big esports where NA was at the top for any period of time
only one coming to mind is quake duels across the different installments w/ activated almonds man and rapha
the US is living proof that money cant buy success when you lack the genetic capital
a clownish mutt nation
Americans being as bad as they are in FPS is outright shameful. We own guns, we invent guns, we invented the entire god damned genre. How do we lose to a region that gets motion sickness and another that hasn't owned a gun in a century?
Americans are the biggest trend-following homosexuals in the world. The second a new FPS releases everybody moves on. Europeans have been religiously playing CS for 20 fricking years.
> Unemployed gamers are a waste of money
Yes, and?
>Be moron on the internet who makes money of being a moron on cam
>Start business without any experience doing business whatsoever
>Fail
>Complain that business is not profitable
The recession must continue.
ok then what esports team is making money?
ENCE
EZ 4 ENCE
It will never disappear, it will just go back to grassroots. The bubble is bursting because the crypto money ran out but esports and esports teams existed before there was any crypto money.
For a lot of games I imagine it's also the devs and publishers not wanting to support the scene. I know EA try their damnest to not care or invest or share any of their revenue into esports teams and competition: see Apex Legends.
League is dying in NA.
Esports as a whole is not dying, lol
It's still thriving in the east and Europe.
Why do you all hate esports so much? It doesnt make sense to me. You dont see footy or bsseball fans talking about how it would be good if the NBA was losing money or closing down. Im not saying you should be all in for esports but the hatred it gets here is weird to me. I like esports in the sense it can be fun to watch a game while I do stuff around the house like exercise or while I clean. But I dont really root for any specific players or teams.
It does kind of suck it loses so much money, but I feel like thats a them problem and not an us problem. Maybe they should cut back on the huge venues and just run them out of their "backyard" or whatever.
Its conditioning you to become a cuck
Esports pandering is a cancer that has sucked the fun out countless competitive games by designing the meta to conform to the 1%.
At least i did not hate esports when it was organic and ran by the playerbase. But since they started turning it into the same thing modern sports is, its gone downhill.
The forced unfunny panels, the constant fricking adds everywhere, the sterilization of banter... its just taking fun out of something that is supposed to be a fun game taken to the peak skill level.
Also all the goddamn toxic sponsorships the constant fricking gambling push etc. They managed to take something that was good fun, and turned it into a corporate mess.
Even if Esports succeeded it would have the same problems as modern sports. Extremely avaricious owners, cancerous players except they'd look even more cringe, and awful Apple+ tier television commentary.
I mean, esports was already a success, but since there was more money to be made in it, it turned into what you describe.
Basketball has the same rules for ages now.
Games are evolving media. The same game can look, feel and play pretty different over a decade.
It's inherently fricked up and doesn't work as a sport unless the core is static.
>Why do you all hate esports so much?
Because it ruined multiplayer and forced matchmaking and moderation and reporting others. Bantz are VERBOTEN and being even slightly confrontational will get you a strike because everyone is a special snowflake who's not allowed to be criticized/have their feefee's hurt.
You have to be fricked in the head to play modern zoomer multiplayer games.
professional sports should die as well. im only familiar with how the us industries were established, but it was ruthless and destroyed a lot of local culture
Because e-sport gaygorty ruins games that used to be fun to play.
It ruined HotS because they started pandering to e-sports and it ruined Dota as well.
>Why do you all hate esports so much?
Why woudl I be interested in a bunch a chinks playing ASShomosexualS???
For years????
I want to play games, not watch ppl playing them.
I'll watch youtube funny clips or highlights of best players or something of the latest game I'm playing, the end.
The problem with esports is that it directly influences how games are made and played, and these decisions are forced on the players.
When it comes to something like Basketball, competitive Basketball has a strict series of rules and regulations in order to keep the game competitive which makes sense. However when some kids just want to play basketball on their driveway they can make up their own rules and play however they want which means they can still have fun with it.
Video games on the other hand force the player to play in a very specific way. If a MOBA game is designed for 5v5 gameplay then you NEED to have 10 players, you can't just play with your differently sized group of friends. It gets worse when random players start to get upset if you are playing even slightly differently than the competitive standard (Ex. picking the "wrong" character) and then the company behind the game starts to punish people for playing outside of the competitive format for the complainers.
Basically imagine if you wanted to play Basketball with your 3 friends but the NBA came over to your house and forced you to play with 21 other random people because that's the official playercount for two teams. Then they also forced you to play for exactly 48 minutes rather than just letting you play until you get bored. Then finally imagine that if you refused to play by any of these rules or any of the other official rules, they take away your right to play basketball for the rest of your life and you can never play the game again.
If that was happening, I'm sure you'd see a lot of basketball fans complaining that they wish the NBA would shut down.
Imagine you wanted to play a game with your friends. Because it's a casual setting where winning isn't important, the rules don't matter and the game is made to be loose.
Ok now this game requires the rules to be very strict but it's alright because the rules still allow for the casual fun you want.
Ok now this thing called "competitive" shows up and now there's a new ruleset made for competitive that isn't fun at all but doesn't bother the casual play
Suddenly a small minority of crack addicts begs for competitive rules to take over. Now the devs focus on that because they keep getting fake bomb threats.
Now the game is less about fun and more about competitive even though only 1/20 players play competitive.
Repeat this story across halo, wow, lol, overwatch, cod, etc etc and you lose track of how many games forgot how to be fun.
That's why competitive eSports can go frick itself.
>FGC: run by players, strong local scenes that filter into larger events, literally anyone can participate
>ESports: "pro teams", not open to new players, no local events, run by advertisers
One of these is not like the other.
Normal sports is as bad nowadays.
Whatever team has the richest Arab sheikh who can afford more and faster Ngubus wins all games. What's the fricking point. Football has become Black personball
>E-sports
>blizzard
I mean the frick did he think. Blizz wants to reap all the benefits while making it impossible for grassroots type tournaments to start. Its literally the worst possible ecosystem to throw your money as a small team owner.
I was wondering how long it would take to realize that endorsements in esports are a fricking scam.
Everyone except players lmao. The owners of orgs are so moronic, they paid ( pay) 6 figures to players while they lose money . Anyway esport is money laundry activity .
Well, yeah, nobody wants to go see a bunch of nerds cheating in CS when it's more fun to play the game yourself.
It started out as a money laundering scam anyway and gullible morons got sucked in while the criminals ran after banking their check.
Who would have thought that streaming a bunch of nerds play a video game against the backdrop of a multimillion dollar production was an unsustainable business?
Couldn't have been anyone with a brain.
blizzard killed esports with the overwatch league
Blizzard did something good for once?
Esports was always a stupid idea. Just because individual games are popular as spectator "sports" doesn't mean every game will be popular.
It was all just so artificial and forced. The fact that it put on show how bad they are at designing/balancing games was just the icing on the cake.
Esports will never be viable financially.
Competitive gaming can be viable, mind you, but esports, where it's treated like a sport with teams and salaries and stupid amounts of dumb spectacle just flushes money down the drain.
What was wrong with just streaming tournaments where gamers compete for a prize? What was the point of trying so fricking hard to make it the same as sports with players being paid on salary and shit no matter how much money it wasted?
>What was the point of trying so fricking hard to make it the same as sports with players being paid on salary and shit no matter how much money it wasted?
Marketinggays want to be able to sell the new football
Are there more sources? Best news I've read in a while if true.
Esports should have stayed grassroots, VCs ruined it back in 2013/4
>money launderers finally cash out
>entire e-sports business collapses
based as frick
Wasn't this obvious back in 1997 already that e-sports are nothing serious? If it was indeed so fabled Tresh would still be driving in Lamborghini and whatnot.
e-sport is 100% terrible business. with other sports you have major sponsors and tv stations who buy rights. e-sport is just streamed on Twitch or youtube. i have no idea how they make any money. I'm not talking about the players. I'm talking about the commentators and analytical stuff.
They don't make any money.
That is the problem.
The whole industry is a negative-sum game, esports organizations are constantly hemorrhaging money.
>i have no idea how they make any money
Most of the time it's because the viewers are also paypiggy players. Riot can subsidise LoL tournaments because those tournaments make Riot money back in microtransactions. Pretty sure Valve's Dota 2 International lets players straight up put more money in the prize pool.
>Valve's Dota 2 International
>buy $10 book
>$1 goes to prize pool
>$9 goes to Valve
>hat goes to you
>"donate" more for more hats
Dota is pretty much also entirely funded by a few rich Saudi Arabs.
Wrong 100%.
The biggest issue in esports is unironically that viewers do not view esports as worth money, and refuse to pay for it. That's why the entire industry is such a shitshow. Esports is mainly used as a marketing arm for the game companies, which has created a terrible mismatch of Riot vs Teams vs Pros.
Most League of Legends team are massively in the red. The only reason the sport functions is because Chinese teams are funded by billionaires and Korean teams are funded by monopoly companies that have a stranglehold on the entire Korean economy. It's not profitable in America at all due to horrific mismanagement and terrible allocation of VC funds which are now drying up because NA esports has just lost money for the last fricking decade and lied about deliverables constantly.
>I'm talking about the commentators and analytical stuff.
They are getting paid by host in contracts
Way less than players get, but enough to make a living
it's like trying to create a lake and expecting an advanced collection of organic life to be immediately thriving in it as an ecoystem
>inexplicably spend a million bucks to play video games
>lose money
damn that's crazy no one would've seen that coming
Good. It was forced garbage. We need to return to grassroots tournaments ran by the community, back to community hosted servers. Competitive gaming was much better when the players decided what was competitive.
>We need to return to grassroots tournaments ran by the community
Go host one then? Stop with this "we" crap.
Frick off, 99% of games don't even provide a dedicated server anymore
>everyone is losing a lot of money
Wait, that's not possible, if someone is losing money that means someone is gaining money...
Good.
Esports destroyed the social aspect of multiplayer games. Let it heal.
Explains why DRG is so immensely popular.
It's such a shame that newer games will literally never be able to understand how good it was before CoD4 ruined everything.
Those late 90s early 00s FPS lobbys were fricking amazing. Sure, every now and then there would be some ultra tryhard frickwit that would be screaming at people for sucking, but most of the time it was just a buncha bros slinging bantz while not giving a frick about winning or losing.
Then CoD4 came out and fricked the whole game up with matchmaking, and WoW came out and introduced the masses to meta gaming, and within half a decade everything flipped on it's head to be chasing leaderboards and using only the most meta builds possible.
cod4 had dedicated user run servers on PC tho, its was MW2 in 2009 that got rid of them.
it's correct
skill based MM was a blessing and curse
Dota, Counter Strike and some fighting games don't have this problem.
They must have some super secret ingredient that nobody has been able to figure out in the last 20+ years and I'm sure nobody has posted it in this thread already.
There's only 4 real Esports
>CS
>Dota
>Smash melee
>Starcraft brood war
Everything else is fake and gay
melee
Lmao melee was never competive
You have a drunk man saying he is the goat, and he has never not been a drunk.
Stop lying to yourself
True.
It's a sandbox party brawler the same way Halo is a sandbox party shooter. The fact these games were ever considered to be competitive is moronic.
Replace Smash with Street Fighter, otherwise you're right
>CS
Full of cheaters
>Dota
Same teams with same people, you might as well suspect they are some sort of closed circle that are directly working for valve
>Smash
Full of fat 30y old Virginis
>Brood war
Only a few Korean boomers play it
None of those will ever last
>CS
>Full of cheaters
Sounds like you have a low trust factor, try to be less of a toxic shitter and it should improve
I mean the pro scene, I dont talk about casual gaming. The one that people aspire to be and want to watch championships of.
I would like esports more if the players actually spoke to one another instead of being mostly silent save for the same few calls and pop-offs.
I would like e-sports a whole lot more if it wasn't just a bunch of team shooters, RTS and moba. Fighting games are kind of fun to watch but it gets old after a while because of how formulaic they are.
Devs need to invent something new and exciting.
E-sports never made money. Nerds had a bit of fun pretending to be normie sportsball watchers, after missing out on it due to being social outcasts, but it didn't last and was never profitable. Many sportsball watchers dedicate their lives to it, their entire personality is 'X team supporter'. Nerds can't commit that much, they don't feel emotions like passion, excitement and joy because they are mostly hollow inside.
Also i'm glad Riot Tencent lost 100 gigatrillion trying to make esports a thing. Evil company.
How many people out there give a shit to even watch stuff like competitive Overwatch or Valorant?
No one cares about overwatch, but valorant gets viewers
i like watching csgo, especially because of the viewer pass. but its more like second monitor thing while playing DRG
And yet Momcest is skyrocketing. Curious.
As long as I have the International I don't care about the rest of the esports scene
the only esports worth following is CS and that's mostly for key players/teams
Esports has plenty of money in it, there is just no money for kids acting like they are the bad b***hes who just smoked thier first joint and don't have to listen to mom and dad anymore. Sponsors are not going to give you any money for that.
>but my grassroots
Has always been funded by some rich kid with nothing better to do. Who do you think was paying for venues and staff? Who do you think was paying for the server you where playing on? No, it was not kept aflot by the 7$ in donations it got a month.
It's only good for those who make the game, even then it's sometimes a miss.
Shit like owning a team is mostly rich people vanity.
Alright you bitter fricks you can have only one.
>you get five godly sequels to any game of your choosing and one dream game made to your precise desires
Or
>every twitch streamer/youtuber is witch hunted by game companies and sued for profiting off their products along with 3 game studios of your choosing going bankrupt
twitch streamer/youtuber is witch hunted by game companies and sued for profiting off their products
why would anyone want this
frick game companies and frick copyright bullshit
My favorite game series is still getting good new entries and will continue to for the foreseeable future. I pick two from the first line alone, don't even need to read the rest.
God Hand 6 and RapelAI here we cum!
F-zero (I'm not that into it but it's fans have suffered enough) and a high fantasy space RPG where you ride in magic boats and hunt space whales with spells.
>muh '"I don't need validation"
Yes timmy I see you smoked your first doobie today. When you grow up however, you learn you get to be a dirty money prostitute no matter what you do, and smiling for a camera and not saying gamer words is a pretty good money prostitute opportunity.
nobody should be paid to play videogames
DSP. He should also be paid a bonus everytime he says a racism while streaming.
Esports itself is alright if it develops naturally. The retarted thing is DEVs/CEOs trying to force it/built the game around it. It just never works.
I think corporations will always try to force esports because they want to find their theoretical infinite money generating franchise.
investors and sponsors have left
if i'm not mistaken, there isn't a single team in LoL that can pull a profit, not even SKT or the top chinese ones
that's mostly in NA, they kept paying way too much for imports and never won anything so brands just don't believe in them anymore.
It's pretty dumb to waste $1 million for an e-sports team when it seems the prize pool where you could make back your money is either Fortnite (2019) or Dota (2021) with their over $30m prize pool. The rest are below $10m. Shouldn't expect them to be good with their money because they are a streamer.
It's strange listening to/watching grown men argue over which ching chong man is better than other ching chong men at clicking around on a screen. They post pictures of them like other men post pictures of female celebrities they obsess over.
The whole thing is very gay.
honestly if it was actually just gay it's be less embarrassing
>poorly manage business venture
>blame the scene instead of management
Plenty of room for esports, but it gets more investment than it can support sometimes.
DisguisedToast was destined to fail because everyone was sucking his dick about how "smart" he was, especially when he signed on with FaceBook Gaming for the big payday. None of that was "smart" from the standpoint of being ingenious and figuring out a tricky situation, it was "smart" in that he took the most braindead obvious choice of getting guaranteed millions with no strings attached just for switching streaming platforms. Anything beyond that was going to show him up. Hope he doubles down in desperation and loses everything.
Im still mad how sports ruined worl of tanks and tf2
>He wasted one million burgerbucks on a team without skill
For a game nobody cares about outside of korea
It's really not that surprising. I would guess that most owners of regular sports teams don't make much of any profit.
regular sports makes ridiculous profit
esports doesn't, esports can make some profit, the problem is all the morons thought it was going to be the next real sports so they invested way too much into it
>Streamer wants to yolo into esports
>projected investment of $500k
>ends up ballooning to $1million
Hope that isn't actually all his money cause that would be insanely irresponsible.
Glad esports is dying though that shit has warped multiplayer game design completely.
>plays childrens game for money
The article is actually advertising his e-sports patreon so he can double dip on mummies credit card.
classic israelite move, use greed to invade and destroy a hobby and then run and let it rot and die
I never really understood the gameplan for e-sports. Like, what, you were just going to make an entire industry on begging Valve and Capcom for handouts?
It was probably the same logic that was driving the streaming services and social media, they kept showing the watcher numbers and growth to investors and believed that those watcher numbers will eventually turn into money.
Game publishers hope it will stick enough to become cultural phenomenon to stay there for decades, similar to traditional sports and selling rights to stream, or even for basic photos from the event
>handouts
Hats, anon. Hats. Valve has nothing to lose in letting you spend your own millions on hosting the ASShomosexualS 2023 INVITATIONAL LEAGUE and blowing additional money on advertising DotA if they get to spend 3 minutes slapping the tournament logo on a hat for Pudge that they can sell at $25 a pop.
Obviously I'm not talking about game companies you dumbass, Valve isn't begging itself for handouts from Valve
I'm talking about people who create teams, support a stable of players for like, a cut of an already volatile and generally meagre payout
I'm sorry you're too moronic to connect the dots. Let me help. Your question was "I never really understood the gameplan for e-sports. Like, what, you were just going to make an entire industry on begging Valve and Capcom for handouts?"
The gameplan for the tournament organizers and team owners is the same as in real sports: hope people are dull enough to pay to watch something instead of play it themselves. This is a guaranteed profitable business plan, and has been for thousands of years, and only has one pitfall: if you overestimate how many people are going to watch, you waste money on setup/facilities and go broke. The disconnect you're grappling with is that the game companies have a profit motive for conning successful small-time tournament organizers and investors into thinking that their event is going to have 1000x growth and expanding until they die. The handouts are poison that disrupts an already sustainable plan.
Realistically, hope the audience isn't all bots + marketing revenue.
In actuality it's habitual nerds and pretend-entrepeneurs begging.
Is DOTA alright? They made the map huge and I haven't heard anything about it since.
fighting game tournaments have almost nothing to do with the developers, prize pools are community funded except for shit like capcom cup/arcrevo/TWT etc.
if all those were to go under today combo breaker would still happen next year no problem
>makes esports team
>all payers are chinks, SEA and his friends
>team fails hard
i wonder why
Watching esports and following the coverages can't remain free if it is going to be a real profitable business.
It's stupid enough people getting excited and shouting about football or handegg, but a bunch of adults shouting and screaming about another person playing a game is beyond fricking sad, these announcers are fricking turbo cringe shouting about adults playing a children's game like its a real exciting challenge
the only sports worth being excited about is fighting sports like boxing, because watching some absolute specimen potentially giving another man brain damage for the pleasure of the onlookers has actual stakes to it
Would rather cheer on colonists landing on other planets, but hey, we gotta have our sportsball eh?
well until you find a way to make rockets go faster that's not going to be a thing
Until we start celebrating intelligence, it's not gonna happen. Getting rid of sports outside of recreation would be a good start.
Boxing needs to get rid of all the subhumans or at least segregate the fighters based on race. Also eliminate all these bullshit weight classes, corruption, fighters actually fight more than twice a year etc, and it will be watchable
Back in the day games were made to be fun and sell first and the multiplayer scene gravitated around that. Now games are made with e-sport shit in mind first and that's why the games feel out of touch and unfun.
>Back in the day games were made to be fun and sell first and the multiplayer scene gravitated around that
this is why Smash consistently pulls numbers, because the games are made to be as anti-compgay as possible without outright removing the ability to play against other people
>esports is dying because eceleb with no business knowledge is failing
cool blog post
Name one non-publisher bankrolled and controlled esports league that can make an investor rich.
csgo
like? TSM is still here despiste complications
No it is dying because major orgs are going defunct, because there is no profit
meanwhile CSGO and DOTA keep braking records
VALVE keeps on winning while chink RIOT wants to control every esport event just like Blizz did
>meanwhile CSGO and DOTA keep braking records
because those games are played by rich people unlike blizzcucks or riot ccp troony games
Imagine being a normie turning on esports to watch.
>full of ugly Korean and Chinese people who can’t speak in front of a camera
>everyone referred to by their indecipherable gamer tags
>cringe announcers who use all sorts of in-group terminology and made no effort to explain it to the audience
The interesting thing is that I saw all this happen with the same exact problems with the FGC where it failed to reach beyond the hardcore niche because it stayed super cringe. I figured the new esports would refer to people by their real name and give Kim and Zhang some media training. Do two announcer streams one for the fans one for normies. All easily doable, none of it done.
Also did not help that Activision picked one of the worst games for spectactint to try to meme a league. When they had one of the best (StarCraft 2) that they just let die.
>full of ugly Korean and Chinese people
not in CSGO, they cant into FPS games for some reason
they are in Valorant but that game is for actual morons
The problem is that FPS are not great for spectating. Overwatch is the worst but even CSGO is not ideal. Best genre by far is RTS but AB was so butthurt about DOTA2 they didn’t see what they had.
1v1 FPS is good for spectating.
>Best genre by far is RTS
>defined, distinct sides
>small number of units
>paxe is slow enough that it can be explained while it is going on
>natural built in flow due to the way the genre works
What do YOU think is the best genre for this
RTS is the most boring genre, it's all just PURE meta and you play the same way every single game because there's always a best way to do a build order etc.
I think Grubby is a perfect example of this, the second best WC3 player of all time, SC2 pro and more.
He has been playing Dota 2 for daily like a year now and he's just at average rank, this is despite him getting coached by the BEST players in the world in Dota and analyzing all his games.
The reason this otherwise god gamer and micro god can't climb in an easy game as Dota?
Because all he can do is follow a meta and abuse it, even if he only plays the single most broken heroes and "meta" stuff in Dota 2 he still sucks at the game and has no actual gameplay sense at all, unlike if he plays a RTS where every game is the exact same Dota has actual variations and you need to adapt on the spot. This is too much for a asiatic/rts brain and they just fail to function.
rocket league is very easy to watch and understand instantly
Fighting games
I understand what he's saying, top-down RTS is almost like watching an actual sport in an arena. More, the audience gets the benefit of full map awareness while the players have limited view.
>whoever stragizes plays the game the best wins
what, do you watch competitive divekick?
The best genre for spectating is Fighting Games
It’s the only genre even remotely good for spectating if you don’t have hundreds of hours in the specific game.
Simple rules and mechanics are similar between games. Obvious who is winning and when momentum changes. Never a point of no return where the game is over but drags on for 15 minutes because of snowballing and win conditions like in moba or rts.
I don’t even play fighting games but they’re the only genre that should even be taken seriously as a spectator “sport”.
Fighting games also has great personalities too for the most part. Even utter homosexuals like Sonicfox are fun to root against
multiplayer RTS is absolute trash and no fun. It always boils down to whoever plays rock paper scissors then best and who clicks the fastest wins.
imagine being a non-Black personball enthusiast turning on basketball to watch
>full of ugly Africans
>everyone referred to by their nonsense names like Oogy Boogy or Mbuntu Kibimba
>commentators constantly using jargon and talking about stats that you have to have been watching for a decade to understand
Well apehoop has the cultural cachet of being prominent in the USA for multiple generations, and unlike DOTA or Overwatch even if you’re not a fan of the NBA chances are you played it as a kid and can understand it.
>Apehoop
Fricking have a nice day, homosexual ass turdie.
relax coon-bro, it's just board culture
anon normal sports isn't really hard to understand. what are you a woman? also these nogs are fit and have normal names instead of relentless_sucker69.
By and large, I believe blacks bullied non-blacks out of basketball. There is nothing about them that make them superior basketball players, some force just gravitated blacks to join the basketball team and if growing up you happened to be a fan of playing basketball you'd either have to get along with the blacks (who would likely haze you if you didn't act black) or not play at all.
it's simple really
every inner city hood has some form of basketball court, so every hoodrat has played basketball for most of his life
meanwhile whites are more spread out among football, baseball, basketball, and then the actual whites only sports like golf
Esports won't get good until we have VR gladiator fights where avatars fight to the death.
I remember when i we obsessed with esports shit in high school, shit was cringe was frick and i regret every minute i spent on esports slop as a kid. To be fair back in the 2010s it really did seem like a cool new thing
>man buys a dead horse
>horse loses all the races
Wow
I haven't cared about esports since the Halo 2 days
>tfw my local college spent tons of money on getting an "esports facility" instead of actually paying professors to stick around and teach anything but the most basic courses
Its because players get salaries higher than some CEOs
Instead of only making money if you are good and win they get more money per month than if they actually won a tournament.
The hosts get more money than most players (if you're a woman)
A woman host in Dota gets paid up to $1500 a day just sitting and talking for some minutes, even more if it's during the big tournamnets.
Well, that is how professional sports have to work. Teams that don't win need to keep existing and attracting players too. That being said the difference is that in real sports supporting teams is so heavily linked in local teams and tribalism that people support their teams anyways.
>WHY DOESNT THE META CONFORM TO CASUAL SHITTERS LIKE ME WHO BARELY EVEN KNOW HOW TO PLAY THE GAME
shut the frick up stick to minecraft
Becomes a problem when the moronic game company forsakes balance for it.
These people think fricking league of legends will be just like a traditional sport?
lmaooo
You can’t make esports profitable like regular sports because they will never be stable enough. Sports leagues don’t have to worry about getting ahead of whether “Sport 2” or “Other Sport: Remastered” is going to be more popular next year.
They also don’t have to worry about people aging out of their audience without entering a new audience. If you played basketball at recess as a kid you kind of know forever what basketball is like and can enjoy watching it.
Eventually most people stop playing as many video games. Playing 10k hours of some game as a kid doesn’t mean you’ll be interested in watching 3 sequels later a game you don’t even have the time to play as an adult.
Fighting games and games like CS may be an exception to this but they also seem to be a lot less artificially propped up by their publishers.
>look up context
>this moron started an esports organization
>for fricking VALORANT
gee I wonder why the money and sponsorships weren't flowing like honey
Gaming shouldn't be a career in general. Get your asses in the field to pick tomatoes so we don't have to import murderous hispanics to do it
>so we don't have to import murderous hispanics to do it
You know it's IMPOSSIBLE to get a job like this if you're a native? The farmers and employers that import hispanics and such to do this refuses to hire natives because they would have to pay them human wages.
If only there was a regulatory body that could enforce rules on corporations....if only....
It's not just an USA thing. During the COVID lockdowns Finnish berry farm owners screeched like they were being holocausted because there was a shortage of seasonal foreign labor and they had to hire Finnish workers to pick their strawberries.
In Sweden there's been quite a lot of news articles about this, same with people planting woods. They claim that no natives want to work and they are FORCED to hire foreign workers because natives are so lazy and entitled. But if you tried to look it up or apply for a job, they don't exist at all.
They also get substitutes from the government when hiring cheap foreign workers.
it's too late to address the labor issue, agriculture jobs are all being machined/automated away. if you buy your own produce you've probably noticed that for the last few years our vegetables come into the store with a bunch of scratches, big scars, or deep open cuts on them. like, every single one, there are no "clean" specimens to be found if it was grown in the US. this is because domestic produce is all now driven through a huge combine harvester. the industry has been adapting more and more machines to handle different kinds of crops so the agricorps don't have to pay even the illegal below-minimum wages for an army of field hands anymore, all they need now is a half dozen mexican machine operators.
>agriculture jobs are all being machined/automated away
There is literary nothing wrong with that. Fricking nobody wants to pick tomatoes and pickles by hand.
I miss the old days of League of Legends esports, when all of the teams were primarily white guys. When it transitioned over to just Korean and Chinese players, it lost its soul completely.
boomers
>watched sports live on on tv
>enjoyed free porn on the net
zoomers
>donates to streamers
>buys overpriced softcore porn on onlyfans
>enjoyed free porn on the net
Spoken like a real zoomers, boomers went out in the woods looking for hidden stash of old porno magazines.
>tfw there's probably hundreds of forgotten caches of vintage porn out there in the forests of America just waiting to be found
>tfw they likely never will be because kids don't go outside anymore
Every shooter is still either 5v5, 6v6 or a battle royale, esports coninues to murder the FPS genre.
>Spend years getting good at game
>They change it and all your practice was for nothing
Or
>Get banned for wrong think/supporting a protest
Why even bother with any kind of corporate esport? Any successful esport can only come from the community of a game because the devs and publishers keep fricking around
dota 2 seems to be the only real game left
eports will never take off like regular sports because they will always be intellectual properties, unlike real sports
they can still coexist but expecting an eport to become the next basketball is foolish
>why do people not want to pay to watch me play videogames?
esports is a stupid idea.
they're copying from what their target audience is least likely to care about: sports.
The money from actual sports is from advertisers. ticket sales are relatively inconsequential
I never really got how esports would be profitable. Sponsors paying to have their name on a jersey? That’s it? Merch sales are prob abysmal too
it was all sponsorships. take away the sponsors and esports is dead. check out overwatch league. their sponsors pulled out after the blizzard sexual assault allegation and their esports never recovered with them cancelling the pro leagues.
I’d imagine the idea was with enough growth they’d hit critical mass where there were enough eyes on it for big dick advertising dollars and stuff like media rights.
I just don’t think outside a few events like EVO that was ever going to happen. No one game will be popular enough and people aren’t going to do something like tune in 3-4 nights per week for video game league format play.
Esports has always been trying to get someone bigger than you to support it. Dota 2 esports only exist due to Valve supporting it when they did
I feel like the OWL was a perfect microcosm of the e-sports bubble. The cart was put waaay before the horse. You need to build a grassroots community before you can create a league. And the nature of live service and patching doesn't really lend itself to consistent intetest and play.
finally, the cancer treatment is working
but who is Disguised Toast sharing a blunt with?
>Interest rates go up
>Easy money dries up
>Venture capital frick off
Not exactly rocket science.
You have to give credit to riot for finessing all these morons into paying millions for the "privilege" of a team playing their game lmao
>have a million to invest
>spend it on esports bullshit instead of a bond paying 6%
fricking why
I always loved e-sport, especially Starcraft, but I started rescenting it a bit after developers started to make their game with e-sport in mind instead of being something organic. Hopefully it goes back to what it was in the old days, something community driven and not forced by gaming companies because they want to that e-sport money.
The faster the esports model dies, the faster communities will heal. I miss the FGC pre-esports.
All sports are as scam to recycle money
They'll try to turn it PPV eventually but that probably won't work. I only care about CS and at the end of the day there will always be people competing to be better than the other teams so it will never die, even in the incredibly unlikely event all outside investment ceased.
ValoBlack folk should get what they deserve for having the least organic competitive scene ever, composed of tier 3 dregs from the CSGO NA scene.
Esports were destructive to the industry.
You had developers ruining games to chase MUH ESPAWRTS CROWD.
You had a cartel of "top players" sabotaging games with their shit opinions.
And the entire tournaments scene was corrupt as frick. You had those "top players" getting a pass to run cheats and hacks.
The only esport player I respect is that chinaman who played Starcraft with his feet, while jerking off, because they pitted him against some moronic grrrrrrrl gamurs team who were so bad at the game he was making a point of handicapping himself for the sake of competition (he still smashed them.)
eSports was the hype for the investors because everyone thought that this shit will become next football but for zoomers and the advertisers will pay gorillion dollars for it and people will buy expensive tickets. They wanted it to be next big thing like NBA, and tried to push it by throwing money at it. They saw dotas international success and wanted their own (but valve knew exactly how to monetize this shit). It's culmination was the abomination known as OWL
>become next football but for zoomers
I wonder what the average CCV of the usual esport final? Dont CSGO have like north of a million peak CCV which is quite low when you think that this a global sport
I remember some lol finals had a million or more viewers on twitch. But what's the point? What are you gonna do with those people, advertise them some shitty gaming mouse or red bull? And if you put too many ads noone is going to watch it.
Now compare it with ads during Black personball, everything is an ad. Can't put that all on a screen