Early Access was one of Steam's biggest blunders. There are games that have been in early access for over ten years. At what point does Valve step in and say "Enough."
Early Access was one of Steam's biggest blunders. There are games that have been in early access for over ten years.
Just don't buy it moron
then don't buy it moron
Never because of successes like P@lwor1d
Why do you spell it like that?
to bypass filters.
What's the point of that? Just to annoy people who put Palworld in their filter? So they come in this thread and scream "AUGGHHHHH I FILTERED PALWORLD BUT I STILL HAD TO SEE THIS GUY TALKING ABOUT PALWORLD! MY LIFE IS RUINED!"
Yes.
I kneel.
I like to do that too. Last night I was digging through the archive and found an old thread I made where I spelled mentally as "mintally". That's the thing about filters, people can filter a word but they can never predict all the ways you'll get around the filter.
gb2r
You are a fricking idiot if you buy a product that is openly advertised as an unfinished product with an undefined due date for completion.
5 million idiots bought Palworld. Their previous game is currently on year 4 of early access
Palworld is by a different team as Craftopia. That's like criticizing the new Pokemon game because the previous Mario game was bad.
>sure their last game is forever early access but this one will be different
moron
>ahurr durr I treat game developers as if they're a single person and don't understand the concept of different teams
moron.
>different teams
>who happen to be managed by the same people
>because both teams are the same company
The company is the be all end all moron. Their previous game found success being forever early access and surprise surprise their next game uses the same model.
wasn't minecraft in early access for like 10 years? they'll finish the game eventually
Minecraft has never even been on Steam. They didn't abuse the early access label.
They just abused the Beta label instead
The "early access label" is an actual functionality on Steam. Minecraft sold it through their website because they knew it wouldn't be right to sell an unfinished game on Steam. They didn't abuse anything.
selling an unfinished game is selling an unfinished game.
Except they weren't selling it. Minecraft was free when it was in beta.
Nah it was like $5 or $7. I forget.
Verification not required.
"beta" for minecraft was a part of the development process. it would not be abuse to have your game that is in development be labeled as such before its scheduled release date, which minecraft, unlike 7dtd, had.
A lot of games go through Early Access into 1.0, but you ignore them all, because it goes against your narrative.
if 7 days is past early access and in 1.0, why is it still an early access title? minecraft isn't, it's a full game now
Why are you talking about a game that is still in EA when he was saying that many games have come out of EA that you ignore? You're just proving his point.
>wasn't minecraft in early access for like 10 years?
It still is. The game is still getting under-the-hood and content updates.
Cyberpunk launched Early Access and so did Starfield 5 months ago.
Early Access means nothing anymore these days.
Neither of those games launched in early access. Starfield's version number on release was 1.7 or something.
They may be updating it after the fact, but the games never had "Early Access" on their Steam page at any point.
Releasing unfinished isn't the same thing
tbh both cyberpunk and starfield would have been received a lot better if they were officially early access, because it would signal that their flaws might be getting worked on.
I think it also speaks to how much the industry has changed in the years since Bethesda last released an actual game instead of online shit like TESO and Fallout 76 where they could get away with it. Skyrim, Fallout 3, etc., all those games also launched in an unpolished state and needed a ton of updates to be playable. But 10-15 years later new games are coming out at a much faster rate. People aren't willing to put up with that shit anymore and have already moved on to the next game.
I don't know man, imagine if Starfield launched as an EA title from a noname dev, people would have gushed over it like crazy.
>wow the biomes are beautiful, they feel a little empty but I'm sure they'll find something to put in them
>I really like the dungeons, too bad they're copy pasted everywhere but I'm sure they'll add some procgen system later
>okay the dialogue seems a little lame but it's probably just a placeholder
>holy shit you can build your own ship and walk around in it AND do ship combat?! I bet the final game will have tons of ship combat in it and it won't be an afterthought at all
Bethesda is just a dinosaur who doesn't know how to release games now. You don't fricking just throw it out there. You gotta milk it in EA for at least 10 years.
>people would have gushed over it like crazy.
Doubt it. The game is boring at its core.
I mean... it kind of did? There was a little something called No Man's Sky. It was made by an indie dev that did literally nothing of note before. When Starfield was announced I was like "Oh, this is just No Man's Sky but made by Bethesda." It seems like it doesn't matter if they've never heard of you, because if you promise too much then people will inevitably be disappointed.
The whole "Early Access" thing is moronic and should just be changed to "actively developed" or some shit that gets removed when the devs officially stop supporting the gane.
That would be good, but it would have to be done by Steam and not the devs or else the dev will just say "Don't worry I'm still working on the game" and leave it there. And Steam seems lazy about something that requires them to do actual work.
who fricking cares? honestly at this point i'm just interested in how long they can keep 'rebalancing' or whatever the frick they do with the updates now
>dozens upon dozens of updates
>end result is still exactly the same but the UI is slightly different
these guys are milking it for all it's worth, it runs like shit, it plays like shit and the developers are moronic except for this money making scheme
>BRO WHAT IF WE REDID THE SKILLS FOR THE 12TH TIME?
Better for a game to keep the Early Access label instead of the homosexual devs that "release" their game in a half finished and broken state while promising to keep working on it and change major shit.
At least games like Cyberpunk, even though it was released as a piece of shit, it was a game that had an ending. That the game needed updates to fix a bunch of shit didn't change that fact. If it had been released in the days when games didn't get updates, sure it would have been a bad game, but it would still be considered a finished game.
Now compare that to early access games where the game just stops halfway through because they didn't finish it yet, but they're still selling it on Steam and actually expect you to buy it.
How is this different from something like Path of Exile? That game gets content updates every 3-4 months and is never going to "finish".
Path of Exile has a complete main story that you can play from start to finish and the updates are simply further expansions upon an already complete game. And they're making Path of Exile 2 so I'm pretty sure they're just about done with the first one.
I hate people like you. You obviously know what is going on yet you spew such garbage. Think before you post, moron.
early access is a buzzword homosexual
if you buy a game labelled "NOT FINISHED" and then whine that it's not finished that's on you moron
Early access games that are in continual development are fine. It's really only a problem if the game is shit and they just abandon it.
>big warning sign of there's a chance of getting fricked
>still proceed
>gets fricked
>complain of getting fricked
>blunders
they've made a lot of money from that
Their last update was in November. They're slow at it, but they are working on the game.
Plus, I'd rather play 7D2D over TLOU hands down. Now that's fricking slop.
Early Access just means "still being worked on" rather than "beta - full release soon". Pretty much every game might as well be early access now. Should just change the title to actively patched.
Well there lies the problem, because many games that are "Early Access" then proceed to just sit there without any updates for years. Steam needs to start punishing games that do that and kick them off Steam.
if they made it a requirement that it could only be early access for 3 months it would have been fine
Early access is fricking cancer, simply don‘t buy it.
>blunder
>currently most played game on Steam is an Early Access title
How moronic is OP? A lot or completely?
Early Access in its current form is a blight. If you want to beta test your game you shouldn't be charging people. If you want to sell your game it should be complete.
And then there's the phenomena where an EA game sells really well right out the gate and then never launches, remaining in perpetual EA because it got much too big for its britches or the developers realized they cashed out and moved on to the next slop for the EA mill.
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Early Access was one of Steam's biggest blunders. There are games that have been in early access for over ten years. At what point does Valve step in and say "Enough." (OP)
>Early Access in its current form is a blight. If you want to beta test your game you shouldn't be charging people
People are free to buy or not buy whatever they want on Steam. We don't need your idea deciding for us.
Don't purchase any game that's not currently in a state that you think is worth the price. Simple as.
If the game isn't in the state you want, don't spend money on it.
yeah i dont buy early access but my friends love gifting me it
early acces should put a limit of release in 5 years
Early access and crowdfunding are both extremely easily exploitable unfortunately even though they are good ideas in theory. I still feel scammed over buying project zomboid over a decade ago. Hell I feel scammed over buying Kentucky route zero, and that's fully released for since 2020, since it took them 7 years to finish a 5 episode indie story game.
Early Access is amazing. If you release a game and a player finds something they dislike, they'll get pissed and leave a negative review. If it's EA players just think "no problem, they'll fix it later". Everyone is free to imagine the game turning into their ideal game in the future, even if that picture is impossible and conflicts for everyone.
EA is magic, it's like how every politician is as vague as possible so people will assume he agrees with them, except ported to vidya.
Star Citizen is like initial, ultimate and final form of EA, a game that does nothing but could become anything. Let the players dream for you.
They haven't even bothered releasing Star Citizen on Steam. That's the funniest thing about Star Citizen, the only thing they've put out is some shitty beta that you have to download through their website and you still have people who believe in it after all these years.
Street Fighter II was early access.
Team Fortress 2 was early access.
The Maiden Rape Assault: Violent Semen Inferno was early access.
Hm.
Still better than a service game asking for money every quarter
I've played a lot of service games that are very playable without spending money, the real problem that nobody complains about is how much time they ask of you. They want you to come back every day for about an hour to farm "dailies" or you'll never make any real progress. It's bearable for one game but when every fricking game has a system like this it gets to be too much. And the thing is they're designed in such a way where you can't even buy your way out of it. So you spent money on the game? Too bad, you still have to grind dailies and farm some materials so that you can actually use the things you spent money on. At that point it's like, why even spend money? All you're doing is buying yourself the a reason to do more grinding. People who spend money on these games have got to be some of the dumbest motherfrickers on the planet, or they might not even be playing the games, they just spend money every so often and then stop playing till the next shiny thing is out.
>7 days to to die
Bro this game is just weird, always has 50k people playing ut but no one talks about it
thats moronic theres no way its still
>24 hour peak 32k
bro what the frick
You think that's weird, how about Terraria. 25,000 people playing it right now and I've never seen a single thread on Ganker about it. There are some games people just shut up and play.
7 Days and Space Engineers literally mog Minecraft at it's own game though.
both 10 year old early access games
t.i have 1000h in both of them. great fricking games.
Are they actually competing with Minecraft? I thought 7 Days was a zombie survival game.