Ehat exactly is the relationship between the Enclave and Vault Tec? Thry have similar origins and opinions, but in Fallout 2 the Enclave is hostile Vault Tec. Is there an explanation for that?
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Sorry for the typos, I'm a little drunk.
You should cool it on the fallout threads. You've made me hate fallout and I'm being completely serious.
Vault Tek is a corporation that had some involvement with the US government, which is the enclave. They aren't the same thing, they don't necessarily believe in the same thing, they just decided to work together in this vault experiment.
the enclave is the former us government, and vault tec is a big company that had ties with the government. the united states basically just made vault tec do that stuff for shits and giggles.
the tv show is pretty contradictory with this, though.
There's probably a mix of different levels of involvement. Like Vault Tek had their own plans and vaults, the government had theirs, and some of them were a collaboration. Other companies did also get involved. The tv series at least stays a little on track with that and West Tek, a defense contractor (corporation) doing their own experiements for the government. Not sure how much involvement Robco had, though. But in the end, Vault Tek had its own goals, and so did the Enclave.
A corporation under the control of the enclave.“ENCLAVE Vault-Research Control“ was on the oil rig and they had the access codes for all vaults.At least in the original lore.The show probably turned them into a second shadow government.
Also Fallout 1/2 and NV doesn't really give Vault Tek that much of a nod. There was vague mentions of Vault Tek doing experiments up until NV, but they were never a major player in the wasteland like Bethesda Fallouts and the tv series make it. They must have really liked that plot point and decided to expand on it, almost to an absurd degree.
Vault Tec seems to be more or less gone by the time of Fallout. There are still overseers loyal to experiments in vaults but there doesn't seem to be any central authority anymore or it was completly swallowed by Enclave.
>completly swallowed by Enclave
Basically this. Enclave is running the show since the bomb fell from their bunkers and oil rig.
I guess it depends on what part of the story you want to look at. In 1/2, and whether or not it was ever meant to be a large part of the story (perhaps in the future if the series went on under Interplay), they have very little if any influence on the wasteland and seem mostly gone, or like you said, possibly folded into the Enclave, but things changed in 3, and to some extent NV, where now it's a bigger plot with the player exploring more abandoned vaults and seeing how they were connected, and by the time you get to 4, 76 and the tv series, now VT has been silently playing around like it's a massive conspiracy and the big bads are finally coming out.
Until the show changed the continuity like a week ago, my headcanon was the best interpretation of the Vault-Tec/Enclave entanglement.
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/671229407/#671256846
Now the show is the prime canon and... I don't know what I care about anymore.
>but in Fallout 2 the Enclave is hostile Vault Tec
Vault-Tec hasn't existed for 20 years by the time of FO2. In 2 the Enclave after after the vault dwellers because they're "pure stock" untainted by radiation.
200* years
The enclave doesn't exist and vault tech was just a silly company in 1, the bad retcons start at 2
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It's a nice thought, Fallout 1 is the best game in the series by far. The "silly retcons" don't involve Vault Tek, though. Those all came in 3/NV. The Enclave would still be a thing, though.
There's no effective difference between vault tech and the enclave anyway, enclave was always some confluence of evil business and evil feds like with poseidon oil. The "business monsters did it" was locked in
There's not enough lore in 1/2/NV to say one way or the other. That they are separate entities simply by name alone is enough to assume they are not the same thing.
The lore is pretty confusing by this point. You have 1/2 setting up some things, you have the Fallout Bible written by Avellone and released in 2002 for what would have been kind of a roadmap for Fallout 3, and this is where the whole idea of vaults having experiments takes off, because in 1/2 there is very little said other than the obvious, like vaults actually existing. 3/NV expand on this idea, but at the same time pretty much retcon most of the bible. By the time you get to 4/76 and especially the tv series, everything before 2002 is pretty much changed now and no longer matters.
*more
And so basically, speculating about the Enclave in Fallout 2 is pointless because now nothing on the west coast actually happened, Fallout 1 and 2 are non-canon because of major changing plot points, so now if you want to talk about the Enclave, you start with Bethesda's Fallout 3.
*and even more
And also whatever happens in season 2 of the tv series will set up the story of New Vegas, as NV the game is no longer relevant despite the fact that it came after Bethesda's Fallout 3.