Elden Ring should be a case study for ARPG developers needing inspiration on how to design gear and create and incentivize build variety.
There's several carefully planned ranges for stats allocation clearly designed to give the maximum variety.
Take as weapons Ruin's Greatsword, Starscourge Greatswords, Rosus' Axe, Fallingstar Beast Jaw and Alabaster Lord's Sword. Those weapons have largely physical damage and heavy focus on Strength scaling (with some like Fallingstar being equally versatile with dexterity scaling). All those weapons are Strength weapons with an investment of 15 to 20 Intelligence despite scaling worse with Intelligence. This forced investment incentivizes the player to use, alongside the Ashes of War of these weapons, alternative spells like those without Intelligence scaling but fixed values and various buffs, for example Night's Maiden Mist, Terra Magica or Frozen Armament.
This, makes a Strength build with low Intelligence investement completely different from Intelligence builds, or a build that invests more in Intelligence and less in Strength (for which there could be far better spells and different weapons like Meteoric Ore Blade, Onyx Lord's Greatsword, Royal Greatsword, Loretta War Sickle,...) using more advanced sorceries.
Instead of a purely vertical progression with gear and stuff that inevitably gets forgotten the game can incorporate a system of restriction and tradeoffs that gives it a lot of replay value.
Good point, OP. It also helps that the number of spell slots is not tied to a stat this time around.
>DeS
>DaS
>BB
>ER
Based Miyazaki
>From a marketing perspective, Demon’s Souls is a project that should have never been initiated. But I have a feeling now that if you’re solid in your ideas, design and process... you can succeed. I hope that Demon’s Souls has become evidence that an original title, one with a very different approach to the norm, can receive recognition and success. I want to believe this game
>For game director Hidetaka Miyazaki, the interest was shared. “I’d worked exclusively on Armored Core titles in my role at FROM Software”, he explains. “But I’d always wanted to make a dark fantasy game that drew on the Fighting Fantasy series of books. The Demon’s Souls project was that opening that I’d always been waiting for”. But while Demon’s Souls is heavily influenced by fantasy clichés, in play it appears
>Miyazaki: When designing the bosses, I made sure that they would be varied and exciting. I prepared different gameplay and strategies for each one so that players didn’t get tired of the same fight every time. We wanted to surprise players and encourage them to figure out different tactics, to think on their feet.
>Miyazaki-san explained that such an approach to level design has always been his preference, and he prefers players to “climb” into areas and experience a form of verticality when moving from area to area. And, the lack of loading screens certainly helps by keeping the player immersed.
>Miyazaki: I’m just an employee of the development company, so I can’t directly answer whether there’ll be a sequel to Demon’s Souls. With that said, my personal opinion is that we learned a lot during the development of Demon’s Souls, and there were a lot of things that we couldn’t do this first time, so I’d welcome the chance to create an even better game in the same style if the opportunity arises.
>I prepared different gameplay and strategies for each one so that players didn’t get tired of the same fight every time. We wanted to surprise players and encourage them to figure out different tactics, to think on their feet.
And now it's just roll spam lmao
The game is very popular so Ganker doesn't like the franchise anymore
Based and true, trannies may seethe below this point
I just wish they had a different system for allocating spell slots. It's annoying to have to press the up arrow to flip to the spell you want.
i really doubt, its just to limit certain weapons to late game when you can start dumping on secondary stats. the overall from magic is just bigger sizes on projectiles, and shit like terra magica is really situational
>and shit like terra magica is really situational
how?
>when you can start dumping on secondary stats.
You can only start dumping on secondary stats when you use weapons with split scaling
>the overall from magic is just bigger sizes on projectiles
Yeah like Full Moon and Primeval Sorcery, right
how is comet, stars and rain not just different kinds of projectiles? terra is only useful with setup + comet, and possibly something that aggros in the meanwhile
>how is comet, stars and rain not just different kinds of projectiles?
Because they provide area denial, homing in, various charged and delayed spells
>terra is only useful with setup + comet, and possibly something that aggros in the meanwhile
Nah, you are just completely clueless
Terra Magica with Dragon spells or Int weapons Ashes of War like Fallingstar Beast Jaw is insane
y post old clip? jump breath got patched
>jump breath got patched
equip it in your right hand
Skimmed through your post but I like every stat having a lot of shit yeah. I love alternate ways to throw random magic shit at people too without being a caster, games need cool supermoves.
>Frozen Armament.
Which of those weapons allows coating?
none
Any other Strength weapon. You could coat a Nightrider Glaive and have cold on a long reaching strength weapon
I mean ig that's useful but at that point I'd just make it the frost stick with the freezing ash then switch it out after it procs so I do more damage with the weapon I'm upgrading. Outside of bosses many of those weapons have a range with both size and the ash, starscrouge greatswords are already built to be super versatile because of it.
None, but all those weapons have D scaling in Intelligence. Frozen Armament is a buff that requires no stat and low requirement so you just put it on any Strength weapon and can finally have cold without split scaling
I thought OP's point was the synergy with one weapon and the spells that each build gives. I rarely ever use a side arm outside of PvP because if I need to kill a boss, chances are I can do it just fine with the main weapon and the only use for a side-arm would be for the ash (commander's standard), riposte (daggers), or to build up a status (as I assume would be the case here). Last time I did dex/fai Vykes lightning bolt on a greataxe and managed to get a build where I light-roll whenever the buff is active, but to do that I couldn't carry any other weapon and besides buffs, I had no real use for incantations in the late game since at 23 faith, it just felt too situational outside of Honed Bolt when I was arc'd.
The point is that Frozen Armament is useless in an hybrid Strength/Intelligence build because Cold infusion are better when you have Intelligence for scaling, but Frozen Armament can add it without changing your scaling or having to use grease.
There's also other spells to use that you would never use in Intelligence builds with highter Int than 20 but that are worth slotting.
Similarly for those Two Finger Incantations that don't scale with Faith
>incentivize build variety
>Everyone spams the same 4 weapon arts though
Elden ring would have been a masterpiece if it was cut in half. It overstays its welcome and ends up looping back to to being shit when every build homogenizes into the same 4 arts
if you're talking about pvp, it's because a few weapon arts are just clearly superior.
They either
1. come out really fast like [moonveil], which makes it hard to consistently dodge when somebody is playing on shit net.
2. have a massive aoe like [wave of piss, wave of darkness, blasphemous blade] that are hard to roll in tight spaces
3. true combo people with low poise [flaming strike, spinning strike, stormcaller]
Pvp just makes it takes the problem and pushes it to 11. There are alot of weapons/builds that are left in the dust and become unviable once enemies begin getting bloated HP, even while maxed out.
Played it enough to have an opinion
>Moonveil
lol
You are completely out of touch with the game
I barely see Moonveil and almost never see Wave of Gold. Elden Ring is definetly a lot more varied and better balanced than other From games
You didn't play the game
Yeah but it only has like 3 int/faith weapons and a bunch of the unique sorceries and incantations to it suck.
Golden Order is strong
Discus is really strong, but in general the incantations and sorceries are underwhelming. Golden Order seal scales really well though so it at least has good incantations in general from that.
>Frick your magic shield buff
>Frick your buffing spell
>Auto-rejection against R1spam self-buff
>Radagon's Ring of host instagib behind a wall
How the frick are they underwhelming, nevermind Rancor spam
I meant for PvE, they're fine for PvP.
>I meant for PvE
that's because like half the enemies in the game are highly resistant to holy type damage.
Triple rings of light is a 90 degree frick you, it's probably my favorite spell in the game. INT/FTHchads also get fun stuff like explosive ghostflame and rykard's rancor
more like boring ring
It's also a masterclass on how to not design an open world game.
It was pretty good at it until the Mountaintops.
Elden Ring open world is fantastic
literally the same r1 spam game for 15 years
I know there are many people that wish their favorite series would just make the same game over and over again. Can't blame them.
Can you really call it a masterpiece if you practically have to look up how to complete certain side quests instead of figuring them out on your own...
found the homie who got filtered because he didn't have one of these
You're full of shit and know that they are overly convoluted. I guarantee you had tabs open with walk-throughs on how to complete them moron
I’m not gonna even read the full OP. You’re right and based and anyone that doesn’t agree can kill themselves
/close thread
I'm not reading any of this gay shit. have a nice day, fromsoft cultist homosexual
literally not an rpg
>There's several carefully planned ranges for stats allocation clearly designed to give the maximum variety.
you're a brainlet and you shoudl kill youserlf
>masterclass in RPG game design
>lacks any implementation of RPG game design that isn't stats
No KH2FM is the true masterclass aside from cutscene length. But nobody will ever recreate it, Squeenix included.
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Can we just be honest about Malenia for one thread?
The real problem wasn't Waterfowl Dance but that fricking kick in her second phase
the frick does this all even mean? playing the game didn't even remotely feel naturally like what OP is implying
You didn't beat
He's saying that even if you invest the bare minimum in int/fai to wield a weapon, there are useful spells and incantations that work very well and aren't underpowered.
Flame Grant Me Strength is probably the best example of this. You invest 16 faith to use the magma blade, you can pair that with FGMS and get a great buff to your damage that can last the entire game. It's a pretty simple premise, really. Basically useful spells that don't scale. He also mentions how higher-int/fai builds will ignore some of the earlier spells.
ironically outside of ER, i think bloodborne did this best though it was too limited in scope