>the LEGENDARY and ANCIENT blade of L;EGEND, ULTIMATE TREASURE that is said to be able to harm the greater will and its vassals
>its MERE EXISTENCE DOOOOMED THE ENTIRE CITY!!! HERESY!!
>ranni NEEDS the blade to kill the fingers, vassal of the greater will, she sends us on a MIGHTY QUEST!!
I just beat the elden beast to death with my spiked fists, vassal of the will and literal incarnation of the golden order
is fromsoft writing moronic or something?
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I really liked running around the area you found that thing. I could've used more but they gave me a lot already.
I didn't like the ants
it's because zanzibart is convoluted and yolo and ok you know bruv
They just cut off the top of the black knight halberd and made it a divine-severing weapon. Holy based.
black knight halberd was the definitive ds1 weapon so I understand why they'd pay it such respect
It's actually made of the same material as Sacred Relic Sword. The text says it was carved from the body of a dead god or some shit.
Just not the same dead god
Did you harm the great will though, OP?
neither did ranni
no, we do not have the rune of death, we just unbound it
Miyazaki should add acknowledgement for carrying the blasphemous claw and a full stock of deathroot. Destined death should manifest in some way like dragon communion gives you reptile eyes.
>Miyazaki should add acknowledgement for carrying the blasphemous claw and a full stock of deathroot.
When you enter the arena to fight Gurranq, he says something different.
I wish it was explained how the frick they stole the rune of death, if we assume it was always in farum azula, how the frick did they trespass into that place? knowing what we have to do to get there
>I wish it was explained how the frick they stole the rune of death, if we assume it was always in farum azula, how the frick did they trespass into that place?
(warning: this may all be headcanon. I don't know)
The rune of death was a part of the elden ring. When marika broke the elden ring, it shattered into a bunch of lesser runes.
She gave the death rune to maliketh and told him to frick off to faram azula to hide it, assuming that the city was literally locked outside of space and time.
Basically, it's a similar story to Gwyn trying to hide the Dark Soul in the Ringed City.
but that just raises more questions, since the night of knives happened before the shattering, how did ranni steal the rune of death during marikas golden age if it was straight up part of the elden ring? marika was strung up the minute she fiddled with the ring so I can't see ranni waltzing in somehow and taking a piece away
Dude is just speculating ,but Marika did remove concepts from the ring in the past. Its just that when she tried to break the entire thing the Elden Beast kicked in.
true good point
Modification seems to be a-ok with the greater will but breaking the source code is a big nono.
GW gives no fricks whether you tamper with life and death or someone makes an age of rot or curse. What a fricker.
It really took three evil women to stand up to it, huh.
>GW gives no fricks whether you tamper with life and death or someone makes an age of rot or curse. What a fricker.
The Elden Beast is called the incarnation of Order, which shows what the GW is all about.
There's a reason it selects not just one but multiple different empyreans, including the likes of Malenia and the GEQ, at a time to potentially host the ring and usher in a new age. Rot, curses, blood, dragons, godskin maniacs, as long as it's order under the ring it's all good. Only the Nox's rebellion and presumably the opposing outer god of Chaos behind the frenzied flame are on its shitlist.
CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD
this is why I don't get people saying the gw is evil, it seems like a very laid back god, doesn't care what state or rules there are as long as it's order is the basic of that state/those rules, hell the fricking dragons had their own greater will age, it seems to only act violently when it's directly threatened i.e marika shattering the ring or ranni going at it with the knife
>this is why I don't get people saying the gw is evil
Kill aliens. Behead aliens. Roundhouse kick an alien into the concrete. Slam dunk an alien baby into a trash can.
respectable, so what ending did you go with
you'll probably like this even less but fia. fwiw I don't believe goldmask's ending keeps the greater will around. his rune keeps the order but makes it a closed, self sufficient system.
I genuinely still don't understand what fias ending even means, will everyone who dies, instead of reviving through the erdtree, just become one of those who live in death? from now on?
legalize skeletons mostly. people can still die but they can also live in death.
its weird, but I assume that by adding the undeath rune into the system you allow Those Who Live in Death to be legitimized in the cycle, and not remain outside it as a blasphemy. As they were persecuted by the Golden Order (as evidenced by their Miracles) since their deaths don't nourish the Erdtree (and in turn the Greater Will)
By allowing them to exist in the system they are kosher again.
The whole living dead stuff is probably the most moronic part of the plot, you are supposed to believe that some goofy skeletons that can be killed by anyone are a serious problem requiring special weapons and magic.
the problem is not that there are goofy ahh skeletons running around.
the problem is that these goofy ahh skeletons are cursed, and blocked from being recycled in the erdtree (the greater will doesnt like that too much)
which is mostly why I'm with her. I hadn't settled on goldmask's ending but I knew scatman and marika's were moronic. t.ranni's is okay but a but limp wristed for me. sweet fia at least has a good cause, and I get spooky bone bros while doing no real harm.
well I'm thinking, fia wants to help all those afflicted/byproducts of deathblight/deathroots? so those who live in death right? does that include pic related? these scary c**ts aren't regular skellies and pushovers, they're walking bionightmares and sound + look like they're suffering 24/7, that's my biggest minus against fia, wormfaces need to fricking go
There are a couple things that take significant damage from holy. Skeles, Deathrite Birds, Albinaurics and Ancestral Spirits.
Aside from Death glitches in the matrix, Albinaurics are hated for being "false life" and Ancestral Spirits despite being of the Crucible are an affront to the Golden Order's system. What this tells me is Holy Damage fricks up whatever the Elden Ring is coded to say is bad.
Fia's ending means Holy Damage will no longer frick up skeletons.
All things can be conjoined, my dude.
It's not an alien because it literally invented life in the Crucible, meaning you're descended from it.
The Ancient Crucible and Life existed before the Greater Will, and before the Dragon Elden Lord.
This is a QAnon-tier conspiracy theory that contradicts all information available in-game.
>or ranni going at it with the knife
Ranni seems to not like authority and control very much at all. Even all her underlings are just doing their own thing very loosely and you're not forced into anything. She even tries to go do shit alone a few times.
Her entire philosophy seems to be about the individual more than a collective, and considering the golden order's aggressive conquering and warring in the past, she probably wants to get away from worship, and for good reason. Worship creates some of the most horrendous people in existence.
It's probably not even the greater will itself she has a problem with, but the people forcing it upon everyone, and her last resort was to remove the GW entirely.
I understand Marikas rebellion because despite the GWs fluidity regarding what order is, it’s insistence that there must be some form of permanent cosmic order is constantly creating problems for the ever changing lands between and the people that inhabit it. Remember, it’ll change the state of things, but in something like 5000 year blocks and only after complete cataclysm has proven through bloody revolt that the status quo is untenable. It encourages religious zealots to insist that the way the GW is asking for the universe to be is the natural order of things, and that the necessary ability to accept change is heresy or at least unnatural.
Marika shattering the ring is the ER equivalent of us walking away from the throne in DS2. She doesn’t know what comes next, but she knows that the way thing are can’t continue
eh to blame the GW based on the golden order's zealots and extremists is the wrong way to go about it imo, unlike real life we know for a fact that the GW is a thing and we know what it wants, the fricked up shit like what happened with the merchants, and hunters like D mercilessly killing for the golden order? those are mainly the issues of how people dish out GW's order, not the GW's faults itself
Plus you have to consider the other outer gods within the lands between, between them and the GW? the GW is easily the most lesser of evils, I could see why an argument for why a more refined order under a gw isn't bad thing to keep the other outer gods at bay
>we know what it wants
Do we?
yes, it wants complete order under itself
I’m not demonizing the greater will, I’m just saying that its desire to create an infallible code of conduct for fallible humans is fundamentally flawed. It’s the humans fault for not being able to live up to those codes, but regardless it’s not sustainable. It requires constant upkeep and attention while simultaneously proposing that its rules are all encompassing and definitive. The only rules we know for a fact humans can abide by are the natural laws of the outer gods. (Things live, then they die, then they rot) of course that’s no way to build a society. I don’t think it’s asking you to pick, I think it’s saying that a perfect society is an illusory and unsustainable dream.
the gw doesn't seem to want to exact an "infallible code of conduct" though, it's fine with whatever style and tweaks it's order has as seen with how marika freely edits the elden ring as well as the several runes we can simply begin a new age with, it just has the single absolute unbreakable law of "im the order, don't damage with my order (the ring and my vassals)
it's the gods like marika and those lording over others like margit and godrick making rules and codes fricking people up
That's the thing, the GW doesn't have any dogma beyond "The Ring rules". Anything done with the Ring is up to the God. People have a hard time understanding that, because few religions IRL have a system where the god you pray to isn't the strongest thing in the cosmology.
>Between it and the outer gods
GW vs the Outergods is yet another big misunderstanding.
With the Frenzied Flame and the celestial bodies there is definitly a competition of sorts, particularly in that the FF is some sort of cosmic counterpart that views the actions of the GW as a mistake.
However all the other known Outer Gods seem more at odds with the Golden Order. Marika made the Crucible the foundation of her faith and modified the ring to center the world around it.
The Outergods affected the most are incidentally those who embody things the tree suppressed.
The Rotgod isn't trying to usurp the GW, if anything, it wants to be the next Erdtree through Melania.
The GW does want's something, its wants after a time for a new god to take over and it does so by selecting Empyerans that embody different possibilities of where the future could go.
Rani doesn't invoke a actual new god she just takes the ring and leaves. I personally posit that The dark moon is her equivalent of the Erdtree, instead of being a big beacon of faith that give out blessings its a far off unknowable symbol.
everyone is saying the outer gods are a natural way of life etc this and that and I agree, but that doesn't change the fact that they're inherently not good, I mean, the formless mother is causing incessant nightmares in the omens, and we know what the rot god's deal is with caelid, just because it's natural doesn't mean it should be accepted, bot flies, roaches and the like are natural beings but you wouldn't let them sit in your food and interact with your day to day life. and definitely not anywhere near your body
Formless Mother I can agree with wholly but we all know the Rot God is based on the Sea of Corruption and the moral of Nausica is "let nature sort itself out even if a lot of humans die in the process".
Scarlet Rot is definitely a temper tantrum and probably not what the Rot God originally did.
The biggest single problem with the Golden Order is that they excised Death and everything gets reprocessed through the Erdtree. A major theme throughout the game is that everything in and about the Lands Between is stagnant and rotting but unable to actually die. The forces that threaten it reflect this, you have a plague of rot, the grotesque living dead, a curse so vile that it stains your soul, and a purging flame that would completely destroy it all.
The answer is not to embrace the rot, decay or destruction, but to accept the necessity of true Death and the new life it brings.
(please forgive me, I'm tired, and I'm going way into metaphor autism here)
Elden Ring's story seems to be one big metaphor for family and marriage. There's a family tree. There's divorce, stepkids, fighting over inheritance. There's a ring and two fingers.
The "Greater Will" seems to be invested in the notion that maintaining order is attached to maintaining some kind of family or lineage.
Marika shattering the elden ring could be metaphorical for her deciding that marriage as a social institution, and the nuclear family, should be destroyed and replaced with something else
I think that's an okay read on the situation. And aliens represent in-laws.
Are you dumb, removing the rune of death from the Elden Ring was the first thing Marika did after gaining godhood and the founding action of the Golden Order. It wasn't part of the Ring when Ranni stole a fragment.
dumb c**t read the post I was replying to, was going off their tangent
Unfortunately that doesn’t hold water. We don’t know a lot about that period of time but one of the things we do know beyond all doubt is that Marika shattered the Elden ring AFTER removing the rune of death from the ring. Malakith watched after death throughout the entire reign of the golden order up to its ending, when the black knives stole its power, killed godwyn, and Marika subsequently broke the ring and incited the shattering wars.
Marika removed the rune of death when she became the vessel at the beginning, well before the shattering
The entite reason imoortality existed was cause she did that
>im asking where's the proof that she'd be some kind of puppet slave in the first place
Empyreans are subject to the will of outer gods because of their flesh. They have the capacity to become gods themselves, but they are still controlled by entities outside of the realms between.
Ranni needed to kill her physical body because if she didn't, the Greater Will would have controlled her. Marika tried to shatter the Elden Ring and failed because Radagon, her split personality, was directly controlled by the Greater Will.
>marika tried to shatter the ring and failed
but she didn't fail, she shattered it, that's the entire game, the ring was shattered. Radagon didn't "stop" her or anything, he was left trying to repair the work she completely carried out. The elden beast punished her for it, it didn't control marika at all, it strung her up against her will, even more so considering she was in the heart of the erdtree, smack right in the middle of the GW's/Elden beasts domain. Theres 0 proof implying ranni was at risk of strings pulling and pushing her around, or mindjacking her ever, especially since she was never no where near the erdtree and didn't intend to be
How the frick did Alexander get to Farum Azula?
He took a warp gate from the four belfries and then climbed around using his orangutan arms.
How did Alexander fit through the door in Gael Tunnel without breaking the door or himself.
That's just Gurranq recognizing you and not understanding what you're doing
Did you forget that you had the rune of death when you fought the Elden Beast?
At least Ranni did something herself for once and 1v1 her two fingers.
It's crazy how many hoops an empyrean has to jump through to get rid of the CIA backdoor malware installed by the Greater Will.
Miquella might need the fingerslayer blade too, which would justify having to kill Radahn to enter the DLC.
At Liurnia the finger reader crone says that you can gain Miquella's favor.
>It's crazy how many hoops an empyrean has to jump through to get rid of the CIA backdoor malware installed by the Greater Will.
I never subscribed to the belief that ranni was literally at the fingers whims unless she body swapped, what cia backdoor malware? the only thing we know about fingers/will power towards empyreans is that they control the shadows, ranni's words of "I will not be controlled by that thing" could easily be understood as not wanting to follow it's plans, not literally being controlled like a puppet, fingers/will never had some mind or fate controlling shit over empyreans, otherwise marika never would've shattered the ring in the first place, miquella creating his haligtree and doing golden needle stuff without a peep from his fingers tells me they either didn't care about what he was doing since it didn't directly harm the greater will, or they couldn't exercise control over him, despite him being an empyrean, either cases imply that ranni never needed to actually body switch to avoid shackles and bounding powers, she did it as a massive frick you to the fingers, severing all connections to the greater will in her empyrean body
>Miquella might need the fingerslayer blade too, which would justify having to kill Radahn to enter the DLC.
it'd be funny coming across another mangled tow fingers with some frail pretty boy sitting next to it
It's not literal, but look what happened to Marika. Imprisoned in the Erdtree for defying the Greater Will. If you step out of line it will endeavour to frick you up.
yeah you're right, it'll act upon you as a rebel to suppress, not as some puppet it can instantly bend to its will, thats all I'm saying
>ranni's words of "I will not be controlled by that thing" could easily be understood as not wanting to follow it's plans, not literally being controlled like a puppet
Do you know what TV antennas are?
They look like this.
They send/receive signals in which they display information. Propaganda. Sit in front of a TV long enough and you will find your thought process altered by the information it shows you. Even moreso if you've done it since you were a kid.
Now what if the TV antenna was twisted? Maybe another, third prong that displays only static? Maddening chaos. Imagine having static in your mind 24/7.
What I'm trying to say is you are not immune to propaganda unless you find a way to turn the signal off.
anon you realise the greater will radio station has been dead for ages before we showed up and the fingers stopped broadcasting whatever ages ago, point is to assume they're just constantly mind raping ranni is a little stretchy
The fingers have been quiet since the Grace left the demigods during the shattering. I don’t personally think that they literally controlled Ranni, but before and up to the events of the night of black knives they would have been the orators they’re historically known as.
I like the implication that the Goldmask is communicating (or at least trying to communicate) with the GW directly by mimicking the two fingers and manages to autism a rune into existence by communicating with it.
imo he's just loony even if that probably is what he's trying to do, consciously or not (he says he's just thinking), placidusax holds his heads up in a similar manner
i think goldmask is funny as frick because he's supposed to be a fundamentalist but his idea of RETVRN is that a religious order built to suit marika's ends can't RETVRN with marika and her offspring around and his RETVRN ideal never once existed
Golden Order fundamentalists aren't actually fundamentalists in the traditional dogmatic sense, in ER it's the complete opposite where they treat the GO as a science as much as it is a religion which is why all its related incantations require both FTH and INT. Goldmask coming to realize that Marika should be removed is completely inline with what fundamentalism entails, in that he rejects the founding principle of the Golden Order (that Marika is the one true God) and embraces a solution that seeks to solve the Orders issues, namely the fallibility of the Gods, through logic by just removing them from the equation entirely.
the problem also being he's duped in his own wing of fundamentalism with radagon as one of the ideology's biggest spearheads, he is in the controlled-opposition camp
Which is why he was poisoned before the game started and why Coryn flipped the frick out once he finally realized the full picture.
>he's poisoned
I never realised this, cool
All the tarnished are people who died and were resurrected when Marika called them back Goldmsks into picture shows him on the ground next to a cup of spilled golden liquid. Its pretty neat.
What he wants is the Elden Ring to do its thing with Causality and Regression without outside influence which is by definition "all things being conjoined" ergo he likes the Ring but not the Gods.
When you think about ti the big difference between his and Ranni's endings is the matter of truth.
In Goldmask's ending the Elden Ring is still present but can no longer be interacted with or changed yet the truth of the world is present plain as day so all to see.
In rani's ending she doesn't actually do anything to the Ring itself just takes it out into space obscuring the nature of realty and letting men decide what they believe on their own regardless of The Truth.
>In rani's ending she doesn't actually do anything to the Ring itself just takes it out into space obscuring the nature of realty
I don't think that's true. Even if she dies just hijack the Ring, creating her Order would necessarily require remaking it to the point of being unrecognizable.
She wants the Golden Order completely done away with and for everyone to be untouched by the whims of the gods, I don't think she would keep any part of the old system around.
isn't she just removing the greater wills influence, the other outer gods will still be amongst the people and doing their thing
well yeah he's a heretic by any definition, it's frankly hard to figure out what his goal even is supposed to be when the stated ideal of a perfect golden order with no marika is antithetical to the entire idea and purpose of the golden order. at best he's an atheistic heretic who wants god out of the picture in the church and learned the truth of marika and radagon, at worst he's a very clever parasite who wants to uproot the whole organization and replace it with a completely different one with the same name
The idea that anyone is being literally mind-controlled is far fetched when Blaidd, who was created for the explicit purpose of backstabbing Ranni to keep her in line, is able to resist being forced to turn against her when that time comes.
There would be no reason for enforcers like Blaidd, Maliketh, the Two Fingers or the Elden Beast to even exist if the Golden Order was so rigid and dominating.
The concept of "fate" exists in Elden Ring but I take it to mean that certain things will eventually or never come to pass, but people are still free to try to make it happen or resist it. And there are obviously ways that "fate" itself can be changed.
The fingers dictate who from the vaible candidates gets to be an Emperyan, if they can choose a candidate, can they also take that candidacy away? It could just be that if she tried to take the ring with her fingers still around it could of pulled some shit.
Mari9ka removed it from the Elden Ring and gave it to Malaketh.
The Elden Ring is both conceptual and tangible.
Malketh just kept it outside his person like a rune shard until a part of it was stolen by Ranni, then he placed it within himself like the great Runes the Demigods have.
What if Marika removed her programming by secretly cordoning all of her Greater Will frickery into a separate entity known as Radagon?
>could easily be understood as not wanting to follow it's plans
No.
She explicitly discards her own flesh and Iji has a helmet to block out its influence.
Also it could be interpreted as the only way they were able to find and kill him is because he left his helmet on the anvil when you acquire it meaning he removed it.
>Worn by those committed to high treason, it wards off the intervention of the Greater Will and its vassal Fingers.
>Iji was afraid. Terrified of his own treachery.
>I never subscribed to the belief that ranni was literally at the fingers whims unless she body swapped
Every character that is graced by the greater will is essentially a puppet. From software even introduced the concept of puppeteering in the game to explain how,by manipulating the stars you could control the actions and decision making of others.
The implication is that every graced character,from tarnished to empyrians is a glorified puppet who thinks are under control of their own actions. It's kind of like Bioshock's "Would you kindly..." plot twist or the "Koto Amatsukami" from Naruto.
I don't even think is a coincidence that Ranni swapped into a puppet doll to be free. That is Miyazaki doing a wink wink to the audience.
I wish schizos would get a better hobby than writing fromsoft's lore for them
but then how did marika shatter the ring, it didn't just take 1 swing, she whacked it a good couple times and the greater will practically did jack shit, certainly never tugged at these supposed puppet strings to stop her, radagon just tried to repair her finished damage, he couldn't do a single thing to halt marika
Two possible explanations(besides i'm being wrong of course):
1) Marika was in another level than others. She was the host of the elden ring afteralll.
2) We know that characters can sometimes do things out of protocol(Rikard getting eaten by the snake,Ranni setting herself on fire,iji using the helmet,etc...). Just because The greater will has strings attached to you doesn't mean they are always watching and pulling those strings.
Another possibily is that once people are aware of the influence of the grace they can fight against it.
>Ranni 0.2 seconds after committing murder-suicide and becoming a puppet
>Miquella might need the fingerslayer blade too, which would justify having to kill Radahn to enter the DLC.
That wouldn't work cause a lot of players already gave it to Ranni. It's more likely we have to kill Radhan because Miquella needs him to stop holding back the stars so he can do his eclipse ritual to resurrect Godwyn.
>resurrect Godwyn
miquella wants godwyn to get a true death not resurrect him
>miquella wants to resurrect godwyn
what the actual frick are you talking about? miquella of all people, where are you pulling this dumb shit from
>Miquella might need the fingerslayer blade too, which would justify having to kill Radahn to enter the DLC.
I'd say it's just so you can enter Nokron and whatnot, and there might be something there to get. After all you also have to kill Mohg to reach Miquella's body.
>petite soft doll woman needs godslaying weapon
>CHUD tarnished wrenching the great will out with his BARE FRICKING FISTS
I see no issues here milord.
a combination of From and loregays sniffing their own farts
>>its MERE EXISTENCE DOOOOMED THE ENTIRE CITY!!! HERESY!!
that's not what it says at all anon
>the LEGENDARY and ANCIENT blade of L;EGEND, ULTIMATE TREASURE that is said to be able to harm the greater will and its vassals
>I just beat the elden beast to death with my spiked fists, vassal of the will and literal incarnation of the golden order
try it on the fingers. oh you can't? wonder why.
>that's not what it says at all anon
what does it say
>try it on the fingers. oh you can't? wonder why
the only living fingers we see are in the forced passive roundtable and a forced cutscene, this proves nothing
>what does it say
it's proof of their heresy not what caused it
>the only living fingers we see are in the forced passive roundtable
nooo proves nothing at all :^)
>its MERE EXISTENCE DOOOOMED THE ENTIRE CITY!!! HERESY!!
>what does it say
It says it was born out of a corpse.
Its existence doomed the city because they killed their elden beast and made stuff with its corpse.
The greater will took its revenge by sending a shit ton of Astels to frick them up and bury their cities under the earth.
>gw
>astel
if we're tying the astels and fallingstars to any outer god, it'd be the dark moon, that's if we're linking those creatures to an outer god in the first place
what the hell do you mean the gw sent them lol, where did you glean that from
Remembrance of Astel
Wing of Astel
a lot of text says Astels destroyed ancient cities.
yeah it destroyed cities I know, but nothing states the greater will sent it, it's far likelier the residents of nokron and underground cities summoned or call forth with their strange sorceries, and dabbling in gods considering they fricked with a body to make the blade
pic related reinforces this, their sorcery may have drawn in creatures from the void aka astel
A theory I like is that the nox may have killed one of the GW's previous vessel gods and fricked up their body to create the finger slayer blade which explains why it's able to harm the GW being a direct conduit and why the GW was so pissed when it usually is hands off. The design of the blade is incredibly similar to the Sacred Relic sword which we know is made from the corpse of radagon/marika
astel are something else since radhan fought them off before and it was nbd.
Lorelet the banishment of the Nox underground and Astel's arrival are two separate events
I should be the final boss of Elden Ring
Yes. And not only that, but you arguably can kill all of existence and all the powerful elder god beings that have ever existed in the elden ring universe with a pokey stick or a sword that makes them bleed out extra hard. Or with your laser gun sword. Writing doesn't mean shit when the gameplay reflects just how goofy it can actually be.
Pic is one reason why BB is better.
Instead of hauling around 50 god slaying swords, axes of emperors and kings or magic spells that killed entire nations, BB is literally
>this axe was used by a guy who loves killing monsters
>this 'magic' is just some weird shit a dude who eats worms uses
>this hammer explodes because the guy who created it was a dumbass
I like Bloodborne better too but you're not making a very good case by purposefully making yourself look shallow and conceited.
>this sword is MY GUIDING MOONLIGHT. YOU WERE AT MY SIDE ALL ALONG.
That's because all the weapons in bloodborne are designed for specific purposes of monster disposal. The mundanity juxtaposed with the efficiency they afford means they encompass a wide variety of scenarios while also remaining somewhat modest compared to named swords and magic trinkets. They come off more as tools born out of necessity rather than serving the singular purpose a sword has.
>ignoring siderite weapons
>ignoring meme moon sword
>ignoring all the cosmic horrors offensive items obtained by mad research of god-tier entities
>ignoring the fact you NEED to use all three umbilical cords to avoid getting instantly assraped by the Moon Presence
even so, bloodborne is a lot more practical and direct with its lore compared to reddit ring
I never watched lore videos and even I know what the pthumerians did and what the great ones want to achieve compared to humanity, I still don't know what the frick the greater will wants or why radagon turns into a fricking sword
You were able to kill the Elden Beast because he was weakened when Marika broke the ring with another legendary tool, but that didn't harm the Will itself that is still spying and will eventually bomb your kingdom with astels if you don't escape with Ranni.
Schizo Rannigay please go
>You were able to kill the Elden Beast because he was weakened when Marika broke the ring with another legendary tool,
Yeah you can literally see he has a massive scar on his belly even.
massive scar on his belly??? c section? so can we supposite that the elden beast extrapolated a baby from its belly? could this be the "little culver" Rennala refers to? or perhaps messmer? how does it lintospec with the rest of the erdtree lore howthougheverbeit??
I still think it's fricking moronic to have most of the soldiers look like Hollows even when that doesn't feel like it makes sense like with the fort in Weeping Peninsula. How are you going to make a slave class when your fricking people look like shambling corpses? It really feels like the foot soldiers in Limgrave and whatnot should have looked more human.
I'd need a moment to pull it up, but there's plenty of implications that Death itself is presently fricked up because of how much they've been tampering with these runes. Bodies can die with Souls still lingering, Souls can die with Bodies still alive, there are entities which "Live in Death", plenty of long-dead warriors keep reappearing, and there's a suggestion that much of this is the fault of the Erdtree that keeps cycling life from the souls constantly returning to it, meaning the Shattering, which should have ended long ago, is still being fought by soldiers who keep dying and coming back. They aren't literally Hollows, but it's assumed that they are pretty much an equivalent due to the fact that they keep coming back into and out of this hellish war.
Its also of note that they still follow commands and can think tactically but just like 90% of the game world Tarnished are Kill on Sight in The Lands Between
tbh legacy of kain did this story better with the wheel of fate thing
You think they'll ever patch the game so you can use Torrent during Elden Beast's fight so it's not as dogshit?
>I just beat the elden beast to death with my spiked fists
You have the death rune.
no I don't, it's just unbound, you don't just take it with you or stuff it in your pocket, is it in your fricking inventory and key items?, where is this idea coming from
All the other Great Runes you absorb into yourself, this catchers people off guard when The Rune of Death is not absorbed by you but instead unsealed and passively affects reality.
Tarnished are already a super-naturally resurrected entity fueled by Marika's golden shit. They may only actually be able to accept Great Runes that Marika wants.
But there is also another theory that destined Death was never a part of the Elden Ring to begin with but was a rune created by The GEQ to be added to the Rune when she became goddess.
This factors into the references that imply DD destroys you body and soul, something alien to deaths prior souls could be burned in ghost fire or re-absorbed by Ancestral Spirits. Of course, this wouldn't explain why DD just already affects reality if it was never part of the ring.
>But there is also another theory that destined Death was never a part of the Elden Ring to begin with but was a rune created by The GEQ
It was stated that it was "plucked from the Elden Ring" at the start of the Golden Order's creation so that doesn't make much sense. I think people take the "GEQ wielded Destined Death" way too literally, I see it more on the side of "she channeled its power as a weapon" instead of "she physically possessed the rune".
The protagonist is hosted and exists to put the demigods to the sword
Ranni, being an empyrian, is a slave to fate without a special tool
>ranni is a slave to fate without the special tool
I don't buy it, how do we know she's an actual slave? that's a really strong word
she literally killed herself as *step one* to free herself from the empyrean fate. even death alone wasn't enough (granted it had never happened before.)
you're just telling me what she did, and saying it was to stop being a slave, but im asking where's the proof that she'd be some kind of puppet slave in the first place
How are you still asking these questions?
You've been given answers dozens of times in the past and you refuse to take them simply because you hate le blue girl
Ranni's "fate" is to achieve her ending, upending the Golden Order and replacing the Greater Will with her patron Dark Moon
Those who support the Order or who have their own plans to become Elden Lord naturally oppose this. Rhadan physically stopping the motion of the stars metaphysically stops Ranni from making progress toward her fate, which is why you need to intervene as a third party and kill him. Once the stars are freed, Ranni's fate is in motion again and will eventually be realized unless the Two Fingers and their agents/co-conspirators can kill her. The Black Knives are sent after her because they wield the Destined Death that can kill demigods and sever fate, but they're too late and all they can do is attack her retainers.
she truly is the MC of the game, how are the other endings even supposed to compete
Radahn wasn't just stopping rannis fate however, he was also holding back anymore malformed stars and the like from crashing down, it's a little fricked he's still committed to that duty even through his rotted mind, and we just kill him since theres zero chance to talk things out in his state
>he was also holding back anymore malformed stars and the like from crashing down
No he wasn't, there's a frickton of fallingstar beasts from fresh craters. When he stops holding back the stars a meteor crashes and that's about it, the rest of the stars simply continue their flight path. Kinda sick of seeing this Radahnwank fanfiction be peddled around, especially with how his lore implies he challenged them by bringing them closer to him
once again only Rannigays (and that one Ranni-anti) cling to the idea that the Outer Gods are actually otherworldly entities and not aspects of nature booted from the order when Marika took over.
>Outer Gods are actually otherworldly entities and not aspects of nature booted from the order when Marika took over.
Explain and substantiate with evidence
They can't, it's entirely an assumption based on the word "outer" and thinking of the Old Ones in bloodborne.
In Japanese the kanji connected to the term Outer God is used for both Lovecraft and for Kami.
The Outer Gods are all Closely associated with one singular aspect of existence, Formless Mother with Blood, Scarlet Rot Being with Rot, and so on.
Then you see that of the things excluded from the Golden Order are things associated with death and dying when Marika was all about eternal life and bounty (if you fell within her standards of existence) and it makes perfect sense.
>In Japanese the kanji connected to the term Outer God is used for both Lovecraft and for Kami.
I actually think this is the one game where we should be a little careful of relying on the Japanese, because many of the main concepts and character were first developed in English by GRRM rather than Japanese by Miyazaki. Still, the Moonrunes does seem to lead credence to the Lovecraftian interpretation of the Outer Gods.
I think part of the problem of the Age of Order is that 'umies are still free interpret the Order do things like the Merchant persecution and Undead hunts. And since the Order is sealed and unchangeable, the GO no longer has the pliability that made it so versatile in the past (as discussed by Rogier).
I always took Goldmask to be ideologically aligned with Mirel in all things being conjoined is a natural part of what the ER does.
But the conjoining is happening through the actions of the Gods, no? Hence Radagon and Rennala's marriage.
I agree that they're aspects of reality surpressed by the Golden Order, but the space god stuff is just baseless.
Like, people assume they're out their in upper dream planes when the Rot God was sealed, the Fell God was implied to have a body and is now embers in the Giant's flame. They had physical or at least spiritual forms with the exception of the Formless Mother.
Ranni's whole deal is replacing the Greater Will's system that is enforced/metaphysically "coded" by the Elden Ring with a system more or less like real life, where the gods are absent and the laws of the universe are both inflexible and unknowable.
The Dark Moon may or may not be some kind of cosmic entity similar to the Greater Will, but she apparently summons it in her ending and if it's instrumental to her ideal world it probably doesn't have any kind of agenda or special interest in humanity, which is exactly the kind of "god" she wants.
What's weird is the Nox came up with her plan, but also mimic the GW in a number of ways. Creating, life, controlling wills with potions. It's less about freedom, more about uplifting mankind.
There's nothing in the game that says the moon is a god. Just like the primeval current, it's a force of nature or phenomenon. Only the Ranni hater is pushing that type of shit hurr she puppet to moon god nox stupidity.
a bunch of descriptions in the game detail people encountering, and swearing allegiance to the dark moon, that doesn't smell like regular moon to me, and we see it jumping around following us abnormally, unlike the other regular moon that isn't coming and going wherever
if the dark moon isn't moving like a normal celestial body, why assume it is one
This
By his same logic you can say that miquella's whole eclipse bullshit is an outer god because there's some eclipse imagery painted on some shields
The rannihater has some strange peculiarities. He's perfectly willing to make jumps in logic and fill in the gaps and read between the lines when it's something that he thinks makes ranni look worse, but he's not willing to do that at all for other situations, like how he's denied time and time again that ranni needed to slay her flesh to escape the grasp of the two homosexuals. If you spend enough time (You)ing him, you'll simply realize that there's no point in discussion with him because he starts off from a point of hating le blue girl and isn't looking for real conversation. He's just looking for more reasons for him to hate le blue girl
Pretty sad
Is her outer god just Moon Presence? Is ER a stealth prequel to Bloodborne? It doesn't even have to happen on the same planet or anything, it literally says that there is a whole cosmos full of outer shit.
The dark moon isn't real. Ranni wants to put her fake god in charge of the lands between to stop real gods/aliens from interfering.
Then why is it giant in the sky over the lands between
Natural phenomenon/magic frickery probably. The dark moon sorcery requires 0 faith and none of the magicians worship anything despite magic being so tied to the space and stars.
That doesn’t mean it’s not a god, you’re looking at it backwards. Incants don’t require faith because the GW is a god, the GW flaunts itself as a god, and so it’s following developed into faith. Glintstone and amber are fundamentally the same substance.
homosexual, every culture on this Earth worshipped the Sun at one point. It's still a big ball of fire. It can be a big ball of fire and grant life at the same time.
The sun doesn’t sit in front of the clouds
It does actually.
Cease your AI homosexualry and concede
It's called an optical illusion you dumb zoomer.
are bloodhound knights human? they move like animals
that funny animation of blaidd and darrwil barking at each other made me think maybe the bloodhounds are some kind of half beast race like blaidd, or like the ones in farum azula
They could be Demi-humans
I see your logic OP. If the Greater Will has the power to make the Two Fingers untouchable except against that dagger why would the Elden Beast be an exception.
Here's a pretty easy explanation though. Marika is still "in there", it still goddess even if the Beast has her crucified and even if Radagon is taking control.
Also that Dagger isn't Hersey it's technically Blasphemy.
So why did she even need a special weapon to kill these things? Are they invincible? Can they cast spells? Reality warping? Summon someone else who can kick your ass? Because we sure as hell never see them actually do anything or display any kind of exceptional durability.
They're fungus growing out of the roots that are connected to the parasite that is the Elden Beast, you can't kill it in the same way chopping a mushroom off won't really kill it, just temporarily remove the fruiting body.
>2024
>STILL parroting Vaati fanfiction
Explain how he is wrong.
>The Elden Beast is just the physical form of the Elden Ring, and existed prior to the existence of the Erdtree
>before Marika's rule the Elden Ring contained the Rune of Death, meaning the entire souls slurper bullshit did not happen for a huge chunk of time. It makes zero sense for the GW to introduce the Rune of Death if its master plan is to remove it for ??? reasons
>there is no indication at all that the GW "feeds" on souls or whatever fricking nonsense, its straight up not even on the planet anymore. Furthermore it was planning on replacing Marika with 3 wildly different candidates, the immortality angle that the Golden Order held was of Marika's design
I can say more but it's a dogshit theory only held up because of Vaati's clout and the fact that the average loretuber slurper is sub 70-IQ, can't read, and is physically incapable of conceiving a Godlike entity that is neutral and uncaring
>a Godlike entity that is neutral and uncaring
Well it can't be uncaring can it, since it (or it's avatar anyway) imprisoned Marika.
Uncaring quicker than saying it doesn't care unless you try and blow up the rules of reality.
It also seems to very much care that we don't ascend the throne, because it fights us. So it (or again, the EB) clearly has a plan that entails either Radagon or Godfrey obtaining the throne, and not us. It does this regardless of the ending you're gunning for.
You should skip the final fight if you didn't trigger conditions for other endings.
Surprised they didn't pull a Moon Presence with the EB.
They should have, I'd go with the normal ending just to skip that abomination (radagon is ok, fighting Marika's exes in that ending would make sense).
The GW doesn't want any tarnished becoming elden lord. It's Marika that wants that. The golden order wanted to replace Marika but all 3 empyreans have fricked off so its in a screwed position. They're probably happy with the status quo until radagon can asspull something in the far future.
The Reason you fight the Elden Beast is because Radagon is such a Fundamentalist that he cannot accept that things cannot go back to how they were.
Even if you do the basic ending its still the Age of Fracture.
In refusing to accept that the Golden Order is forever changed Radagon fights (you) and then him getting his ass kicked triggers The Elden Beast to activate again because the Elden Ring is now vulnerable. Then it turns the aspect vessel that is Radagon into a sword and to have to subdue it to access the ring after.
>The Reason you fight the Elden Beast is because Radagon is such a Fundamentalist that he cannot accept that things cannot go back to how they were.
So?
>Even if you do the basic ending its still the Age of Fracture.
>The Elden Beast to activate again because the Elden Ring is now vulnerable.
But why? We are specifically here to mend it with the Great Runes we claimed. How could we mend it if it wasn't vulnerable? Once again I'd understand if this fight was exclusive to the Frenzy Flame (and maybe Age of Stars) but it appears for all fights. Is the Elden Beast just moronic, is it on auto pilot and working against the Greater Will, does the Ring itself have a will distinct from Geedubs, or is the Greater Will actively working against us in all 6 endings?
It's not explained well and there's no real answer that doesn't involve headcanon, but I personally like the idea that as the manifestation of the Elden Ring, and thus the Golden Order as the current incarnation of the Ring, the EB is antithetical to change of any kind, as the GO was made with the intention of being eternal and perfect.
This is basically it boiled down. The golden order was meant to be eternal. Its dogmatic followers see it fraying at the edges, and instead of accepting that clearly their perfect order is imperfect, they lash out and persecute the chinks in their own armor and call it heroism. See the death hunters.
It could also just as easily be "It's host is being attacked".
We're not actually given an explanation on how the Elden Ring goes from host to host but I'm pretty sure the GW or Fingers or whatever have to be there to substantiate that transference of power.
But the Elden Ring and thus EB has been changed before, although maybe gave the Elden Beast a good whack with her hammer when she first removed the Rune of Death.
I dunno, the Greater Will is a bit of a weird one. Either we accept that the ideas and actions of the Two Fingers and Elden Beast align with the Greater Will (at which point we can infer its desires and morality) or we are forced to accept that the Greater Will is a largely disinterested and uncaring entity at which point it has no bearing on how we evaluate the various endings.
It's neutral and uncaring in the sense that it has no conception of morality or some overarching goal and only really cares about Order; the fact that the Elden Beast is called the Embodiment of Order should tell you this pretty clearly. The fact that the Elden Ring is malleable and can be slotted with a variety of different runes and appeared differently during the Crucible era also shows that its conception of Order is very flexible, even if that order is a fricking hellscape like Dung Eater's ending, it's acceptable so long as there is stability. Marika broke one of its few rules in shattering the Ring and plunged the world into chaos, and even then it still didn't care enough to stay and abandoned the lands between to a bunch of murderhobos.
I thought Marika was the elden ring. Isn't that why she and Radagon shatter when the ring breaks, and why you need to stick it back in her to fix it? I always imagined the star the beast rode in on became the ring.
>the Greater Will sent a golden star bearing a beast into the Lands Between, which would later become the Elden Ring.
oh frick me don't start this again anon please, last time it devolved into just 5 ips and a 400 plus thread
>the Greater Will sent a golden star bearing a beast into the Lands Between, which would later become the Elden Ring.
It's deliberately vague if the Beast or the Star became the Elden Ring, based on that wording.
>The Elden Beast is just the animated form of the Elden Ring, it's not the GW
>The game constantly tells you the GW has abandoned the world, proven by the Round Table Two Fingers failing to contact it.
>The Two Fingers are fallible and item descriptions even dab on them late game by calling the old and useless. They aren't a hive mind.
>The Erdtree is not a parasite, it's the current form of the Crucible, a life deity.
>the Elden Beast is not a parasite, it's more like a symbiote; it's a magical entity born of a higher power that usually takes the form of a cosmic rune.
The lengths people will go to add meaning to From's classic "Arch Tree Forest" scenery rip from fricking Nausica Valley of the Wind that just simply isn't there.
There's a pair of Fingers in the Roundtable Keep. The one that's in it's own realm, disconnected from the actual physical one we can find in the capital. No clue how the Erdtree's roots could reach there.
What is this heresy?
The Elden Beast is essentially the Greater Will's version of Jesus, since GW can't manifest in the real world, either because maybe it's just a 4-Dimensional being or whatever the reason may be, it sends the Elden Beast in its stead, in essence GW = EB. And GW is far above a regular outer god. It's the only god capable of creation and therefore a true god, the others can only meddle with or destroy things GW created and may have been created by it too. GW is not some outer god, it's God and I will not stand for your heresy you HEATHEN
your god is weaker than tiche
Because Radagon shattered the ER like a gay and you fight a weakened EB
cope goldcuck, ranni won
Marika shattered it, he was trying to fix it, she just got the last swing in during their existential back and forth in the intro.
Ok I mixed that up, here are her feet btw
>Toes hidden
Not my FromSoftware
Yup those are feet alright.
>Marika shattered it, he was trying to fix it, she just got the last swing in during their existential back and forth in the intro.
Man than always sounds like the most silly schizo shit. Marika arguing with her split personality, smacking the elden ring back and forth.
>how do you know this
>um dude its in the game trust me just pay attention
How do I know what
We know the Greater Will existed at least at the same time as the Crucible and it created everything we know from it while the other ""gods"" aren't ever mentioned in context of creating shit, only manipulation of already existing things
>It's the only god capable of creation
It's also the only god that created death. Every other god only imitates the idea of death through various "rebirths", GW's Rune of Death is the only thing that can grant true death. It literally invented death.
So why does it want to keep it away?
Why create the Rune in the first place?
Marika took the Rune of death out, not The GW. The gods just want control so The GW didn't really care, just like it doesn't care which ending you go for.
the GW already fricked off by the time of the shattering, maybe aven before
it's a literal Lovecraftian god, as in it doesn't even consider humanity's existence it's more akin to a tree spreading its seeds than an actual god
The Elden Beast is more akin to Nyarlathotep as an agent and vassal of the GW that can communicate with lesser beings
She's a woman and women aren't good at anything, why do you think she jobs to it anyways and needs a revive?
Presumably invincible. Her Two Fingers just looks like it was stabbed a bunch of times; There was no spectacular death for it.
Those dead fingers look like they were killed by fire judging from the ash and scorched look. Nobody knows what the frick happened to them, though they each seem associated to a demigod or demigod duo due to being able to restore the lost power of each rune.
My best guess is they were Fingers assigned to each demi-god, who may have had a roll in distributing the Great Runes when the Elden Ring shattered since it's unclear how they obtained them.
Then of course, that's heretical behavior so they were killed by either the GW or the Elden Beast. Ranni's lived, and Ranni discarded her Great Rune so perhaps her actions spared her Fingers.
If Ranni is a supremely powerful demigod why was she hiding from a shitty red phantom version of Blaidd in the underground and waiting for you to kill it.
She didn't want him to hump her leg.
Evil doggos have destined death imbued in their sword.
Which does make me wonder about the connection between DD, the Fingers, and the Black Knives.
Welp now that they've stolen giant hands from Berserk, I wonder how long before we get our own idea of evil. Who knows it may already be a thing in the dlc.
People were pushing the serpents to be this so bad during DaS 3 hype.
Well there's those weird heart monsters that spew poison/rot. Chances are we won't see it in ER though, at least not as a major antagonist. Remember the world backstory was largely written by GRRM, Miyazaki is just playing with the toys GRRM gave him (and changing them etc). See Miyazaki has been messing around with stuff, but I don't know if he'd suddenly decided to add the IoE in as some super secret villain or entity behind it all.
Causality is handled weirdly in Elden Ring.
Ranni goes through a lot of trouble to get her fate back on track after it was halted by Radahn's stasis of the stars.
"Fate" was necessary to rebel against the Greater Will, which is more concerned with a broader control and doesn't care about individuals (case in point, it buffed heroes in the past with grace to vanquish enemies and then when they achieved their victory they died on the spot)
Basically GW is more of an butthole than whatever force in ER typically controls fate.
>it buffed heroes in the past with grace to vanquish enemies and then when they achieved their victory they died on the spot)
why attribute this to the GW and not marika? we're shown how she can easily grant and take away grace on a whim, and did it to godfrey just like that, yet you assume that was the GW's direct machinations and not of a fickle god?
When Marika divested Lands Between residents of their grace they became Tarnished, and lived for decades later. Stripping grace and killing people on the spot isn't attributed to her specifically, unlike the creation of the Tarnished.
yes they became tarnished but we know marika directly controls and is fully capable of manipulating the grace of the orders subjects, them becoming tarnished was part of her plan, not exactly the only by-product of having grace taken, she wanted them to become tarnished and return, I wouldn't cross out the possibility that in the golden age she could just as easily command some soldiers lives forfeit, upon removal of grace, since she knew they'd revive through the erdtree under her death act. The GW personal, only definite acts we know of all relate to self preservation of its order (acting on marika's shattering, reacting to ranni's threats) what we know points to Marika as the one behind those graced warriors losing the glow in their eyes, not the GW itself.
Well if Marika can just insta kill you like Ranni by taking away your grace that's one more reason not to marry her.
>vanquish enemies and then when they achieved their victory they died on the spot
I often see posts along these lines that imply that the GW/Marika or whoever you interpret as the one giving the buff is somehow a dickhead who just says "welp you did it good job, u die now :)" when to me it read more like Divine Intervention or whatever granting someone who by all means should have died a dozen times over a little bit extra time to win before death catches up to them, zapping a shitload of Grace through their system to keep them alive but burning them to a crisp in the process.
I was going to compare it to some other video game that had a skill along the lines of
>Being at 0 HP doesn't kill you for X seconds, but if you are still at 0 HP when the skill wears off you die, so if you can heal to 1+ hp during the duration you survive
but I'm drawing a blank on what game that was from.
>Berserk invented hands
Damn real life really is a Berk reference too
Don't be surprised. The almighty iframe dodge that can negate even the mightiest attacks should have taken you out of suspension long ago
I like ranni and radahn because they're int scholars in a world of faithcucks
Radahn feels more like STR than INT.
he's still the most powerful gravity sorcerer
he works out at the library
If there's any Souls character in existence I would've liked to meet in their prime, Radahn would probably be it. He seemed like such a dude.
I love characters with obscure and petty motivations and the detail about his horse Leonard definitely makes me like him. Wouldn't be surprised if prime Radahn was just autistic instead of a gigachad. He kind of became obsessed with imposing stagnation using his powers, first on his steed and later on the stars which only really served to piss off Ranni and Mohg.
I can only assume that Radahn is a GW stooge since halting the stars couldn't conceivably have worked out for him in the long run.
Radagon leaving Rennala to marry marika/his own hand retroactively made the three kids autistic
They were all gigachads before, but after that happened
>rykard turned himself into a big snek to try and get revenge by voring the gods
>radhan started screaming at the sky and spooked the stars into standing still. Also got aids from some b***h prostitute he was in an abusive relationship with
>ranni literally killed herself and started talking in a weird (welsh) accent (no one in the game sounds like her) because she thinks it makes her sound cool. She also sits on a stack of books to look taller
Radagon is a fricking rat
>find npc with cotton
>/erg/ comments
>"vigor, seek master"
>"dark demi-human"
>"vigor..."
>"vigor, o vigor, give up"
Westoid translators. Learn moonrunes if you want to know what it says.
hewg has a dialogue post tree burning where he talks to himself swearing he'll build a godslaying weapon as marika deaires
so it's canon when you ancient dragonsmithing stone something that it fits that godslaying descriptor
Your basically creating a weapon that fricks with causality when it hits thanks to the Dragon Stones.
Yeah, the Ancient Dragon Smithing Stones are Placidusax's scales which share his power to exist beyond time and can therefore literally cut through the order established by the Elden Ring
It's not like you have to actually use one to beat the game, but it's another layer of justification on top of liberating Destined Death from Maliketh
>elden ring
>greater will
>golden order
>2 fingers
I'm from Caria Manor and I say kill 'em all
Carians eventually became chill with the Golden Order, only Ranni and the Nox threw a hissy fit. All things can be conjoined
Ranni is right, never trust anyone wearing a small hat or no hat at all
>hates faith chads and they're gods and organizations
>entirely reliant on the power given by a meteorite
>constantly under the threat of turning into a stone head abomination
lol. Lmao
>is fromsoft writing moronic or something?
Yes.
Normalgays like reading useless texts that has nothing common with gameplay. It's "worldbuilding" and "untypical narrative design" for them.
They're the Ikea of stories: Here are all the parts, assemble it yourself.
Don't you get infused with the rune of death or some shit after the Big Dog fight? I don't rember that well. Isn't that why we go to farum azula in the first place?
yes, you need that to Kill the Elden Beast. even Malakith asks what we need to kill with it.
Yes, OP is moronic. The blade is made from that same destined death.
>"Uhhh why aren't gameplay and mechanics completely limited by in-game lore?????"
As if you needed another proof OP is a brain-damaged golem, this post reeks of pseudo-intellectual redditor
You didn't hurt the Greater Will, you hurt the Elden Beast, which is a vassal of the Greater Will. Ranni attacked fate directly and completely subsumed the Elden Ring.
>I just beat the elden beast to death with my spiked fists, vassal of the will and literal incarnation of the golden order
Notice how the Fingerslayer Blade resembles the Sacred Relic Sword, except twisted by the Rune of Death. If you look at the Two Fingers Ranni killed, the Rune of Death is carved onto it. In order for the Tarnished to do the same thing Ranni did, you had to unbind Destined Death (the Rune of Death), granting mortality to beings that would otherwise be immortal.
So the Fingerslayer Blade just let Ranni skip to the end of the game.
>the mysterious and powerful three fingers
>it's literally just 3 fingers in a room
>oooh the heretical two fingers
>it's just 2 fingers in a room underground
Elden Ring's world and story fricking suck compared to all of From's other games.
Other way around. The Two Fingers are the official envoys of the Greater Will, the Three Fingers are the heretical fanatics of the One Great.
huh, I never noticed how similar the pattern on the Fingerslayer Blade is to the Sacred Relic Sword.
It's also pretty much the shape of a Rune of Death I guess every sword is, really
>Sacred Relic Sword
The elden beast made that from the body of Radagon. So it seem People in Nokrom were able to reverse engineer the process and created their own version of it. The fact it is shaped and colored like the rune of death imply the corpse was Godwyn's.
It's weird to think of the Nokrom stuff as coming after Godwyn's death, it makes Ranni seem even more 5D chess playing by not only assassinating Godwyn but also using his corpse to further her crucial plans.
no way anon, the city of nokron and it's descent partly symbolised by that blade is clearly older than godwyns death
The Corpse was the Gloam-Eyed Queen.
your mom is the brown eye queen
so is mine :/
Sure but just hear me out, Ranni literally carves out the curse mark with said sword on to her Two fingers.
so its a literal body with a twisted head for the handle, two little arms and the legs are helixed over eachother forming the blade, weird
English version is the fanfiction of some amerishart fat frick obese Hispanic in California.
>is fromsoft writing moronic
ding ding
we have a winner
demon's souls, dark souls and bloodborne had a story, even sekiro
elden ring is just complete nonsense
>wake up in a church somewhere because reasons
>mend the elden ring because reasons
>what is the eldend ring? stop questioning it and kill people LOL
I dont undertand why people fellate this game so much, they have had RR martin to help flesh out the world yet there's no fricking plot
you could answer some of those yourself if you were willing to read
no thanks, its the same shit every time and im tired of pretending its new lol
if you actually cared about elden ring you'd know that GRRM had basically nothing to do with it
if you actually cared about redding ring you'd know GRRM wrote all the backdrop of the world, the characters, their relations and how the world came to be, then hackazaki made malenia a rotting b***h etc
His influence is deeply felt.
this is probably the most moronic piece of art I've seen in a while
>doesn't let you wield it.
Honestly thats probably one of my major complaints about the game, that and the lack of more mini ranni dialogue.
the last thing ranni needs is more dialogue, I wanted more damn godfrey/hoarah dialogue, all that cut shit, not some bloke that shows up at the end of the bloody game, or hell, gideon work, what a fricking let down he was, don't even get me started on melina, bloody hell
I'd cut melona completely for more ranni dialogue
I just want acknowledgement from Godfrey that he only waits for you to kill his son because he wasn't gonna do it himself.
He waited for who knows how long for Morgott to die instead of challenging him or helping him in any way.
It literally doesn't say that though. It says
>it's hidden treasure
>born from a corpse
>blood drenched
>symbol
>harms greater will
nowhere does it says its le heckin legendary super power sword of le gods
Are you moronic or something? If somebody made a knife which can kill whoeverthefrick that doesn't mean that knife is the single and exclusive method of hurting them. You had to frick about with the Rune of Death before you get to fight the Elden Beast.
wait, so that dagger was made the same way the elden beast turns radagon into a sword?, I need some lore on that shit
OP's babbling aside, I always found it curious that the fingers are apparently quite strong as Ranni seems to have struggled greatly in her fight with one. When we find her, the finger is fricked up beyond recognition but Ranni herself is battered and beaten up pretty heavily. This would imply the fingers are actually quite strong, though Ranni was in her puppet form, and I imagine her power was diminished from her actual empyrean body.
I saw Melania futa horsewiener porn today and it was hot as frick
Brother how are you going to spoil that and then not share it
It was on Twitter, and I have no idea who the artist is. It honestly looked AI generated but it was pretty good AI generation. Sorry....
Two Fingers would be annoying to fight, they would spam miracles and heal themselves.
It's really funny. When you guys are discussing this stuff its really cool and interesting and could fool someone that that shit is actually in the game and that there's story and lore that make sense in the world.
On the other hand when you are playing it's stretched so thin that it might as well not exist.
Wanting to play this game for the story, meaning, lore and context might be the dumbest thing a moron could do
That level guy can koll stuff even with spoon
Did you have Hewg smith them into god killing weapons
no I ran out of moneh and was too lazy to farm that bird at mohgs
Did he upgrade them at all? His entire purpose from Marika is to make a weapon a tarnished can use to slay Radagon and the Elden Beast.
wait, I thought his purpose was to fall in love with and impregnate roderika, raising pretty human and misbegotten kids in a cozy shack in limgrave
No that was your job. You mean to tell me you missed that sidequest?
fricking hell I was too focused on impregnating sellen before she balled, I could've had a harem?? god dammit these fromsoft quests are bullshit
They just cut massive parts of the game. Fingers were alive and meant to give questlines. Post maliketh was permadeath and hewg had a questline where he made you a real weapon to use against elden beast.
They always cut massive parts in fromsoft games and rush the ending and homosexuals are like "woah, this is so inconsistent it must be on purpose, what could this mean?"
Why do the 4 endings suck? cut content
Why is mountaintop so empty? cut content
Why we dont learn anything about characters such as shabriri? cut content
and then they make an expansion DLC and they dont put that cut stuff back but instead make more convoluted nonsense which also has cut stuff
Permadeath I can believe. I assumed from the cutscene that NPCs would now not respawn, at least. That's what "death's dark fate" implied.
I honestly wonder what a FromSoft game with Atlus-styled revamps would look like to fill in the gaps. It'd be complete israeliteery, but I wonder if they'd do a good job of it
> hewg had a questline where he made you a real weapon to use against elden beast.
Holy shit, is that why the Elden Beast fight was so awful? Because you actually needed a special weapon to defeat it like with Rykard? That would probably make the fight so much better…
The Elden Beast fight was obviously designed around Torrent initially, with the gigantic arena and elden beast moving all over the place. Would make sense after a traditional fight against Radagon, to end it with mounted combat with your faithful steed.
I think the godkilling weapon would have been a lance. Like when else would you use the Lance Talisman?
Then why didn’t they patch torrent in?
I said initially because they clearly changed their minds during development, probably anticipating that players would feel cheated if they weren't supposed to use the weapon they upgraded the whole game in the final battle.
It still feels weird that Elden Beast is just a phase 2 for Radagon, you go from a tight arena with a human enemy to a wide open space against a dragon but can't fight like you would against it like you were trained to since Agheel. The limgrave dragon teaches you "this isn't dark souls 3, don't try to fight dragons on foot" and then the climactic dragon says "actually this is dark souls 3 lol"
Fair enough, his intro is pretty cringe.
>The Elden Beast fight was obviously designed around Torrent initially,
Try the fight with torrent modded in its terrible
thats because Torrent is terrible
>Post maliketh was permadeath
Nice fanfiction
souls are very unrealistic since demon souls, how the frick the mc never smell the feets of the maiden in black?
because he's not a degenerate dumb c**t that should kill himself
sex with ranni
>marika shattered the elden ring
>because.... she just does okay?
>to make it a better place
you havent demonstrated she didi it to make the lands between a better place
did you use hewg to upgrade your weapon?
well there you go, the game literally tells you this
but I didn't, didn't even get past +7
Why do people argue over the plot of a game without a plot? Miyazaki cobbled together some shit from footnotes he received AFTER making the fricking trailer. Nothing makes sense because nothing has to make sense because they don't fricking care if it makes sense.
I don't understand the whole burning the tree maiden subplot
Why can't you have a nice day to lit the fire instead of Melina outside of the Frenzy Flame ending? Why does it have to be Melina when you're canonically pseudo-immortal?
maidens are linked to the tree or something, why? I don't know, i want to have sex with hyetta
Pretty sure the Fell God that fuels the giants fire is the same as the Flame of Frenzy, it's too much of a coincidence that the lord of frenzy flame ending only comes after you save Melina from burning.
Her purpose is to channel it in a way that is only possible for someone not fit to be a vessel of the frenzy flame. She describes herself as 'burned and bodiless' which might be the prerequisite.
I respect more people who pick Ranni for the sake of simping than the ones who respect her ideologies, because they don't make sense
She wastes 60 hours worth of your playtime crying about fate but she's totally fine with the deux ex machina star power and the age of stars being pretty much a reskinned order
I'm just irritated that she never once mentions the death blight she the main cause of, nothing about wormfaces and blight and shit, it's still going to plague the lands even after shes gone, but yeah her ending still has you following a god anyway
I always assumed that once you killed Maliketh you unbinded the Rune of Death allowing everything to die again, effectively killing anyone who lives in death. Fia's cuckthrone ending is the only ending were Godwyn lives.
The only thing that could have made it worse is if Marika actually did shatter the ring because she was sad about Godwyn.
They made sense, I understood what she wanted before people started retranslating what she was saying.
She wanted to restore the "natural" order where stars govern the fates of people and not the Elden Ring. Hence: "Age of Stars"
>me starting as Astrologer and getting the Age of Stars ending (canon) in my first playthrough
I'm kinda mad that we cannot steal the rune of death for ourselves. I know we had to unbind it in order to access the Erdtree and make Radagon/Elden Beast "mortal" but imagine how fricking cool it would be to wield it's power.
I know it might be cope, but I have some hope that the DLC will provide us with some sort of destined death themed gear/spells.
Nah, it's canon you used this.
>The Ancient Dragonlord's seat is said to lie beyond time.
This stone lightly twists time, allowing the creation of a weapon capable of slaying a god
It's what Hewg needed. All part of Marika's plot with Melina.
>you used this
what if I didn't, because I didn't on my 3rd run
You canonically did.
>This stone lightly twists time, allowing the creation of a weapon capable of slaying a god
What the frick does that even mean?
Gods are using hax, so you glitch them to death using farum azula time frickery, which is instilled into ancient dragon scales.
>the greatest power to kill gods in fromsoft's world is fricking with your weapons latency and lag against the gods
holy fricking kino
You noclip and lagswitch your attacks so they can't guard against it
Divine beings read inputs and always roll perfectly so it drives up your ping so you can ghost-hit and lagstab gods.
>You canonically did.
Holy moron
Or maybe, you just didnt need his shit because you're that good
Have you ever thought of that?
Is the Hewg's cope just the new theory you heard from a youtuber?
You canonically link the fire in DS1 regardless of your own personal choices
Is your brain really so weak that you can't grasp this? Marika had to have an entire plot and scheme to try and kill the Elden Beast...but no...just ANYTHING could do it according to you.
Stay moronic.
>but no...just ANYTHING could do it according to you.
You are the moronic Black person claiming that shit happens CANONICALLY just because you want to fit your moronic narrative
And you're so moronic, DS1 is canonic in DS3
Plenty of other people choose the other ending its just as real as the canonic ending, youy stupid fricking Black person
Im literally arguing with a bot just repeating shit they hear from youtubers
between fattening up on rune power the entire game, making your weapons into godkillers, and wielding the actual concept of death you really aren't just some dude at that point in the game
How many of the Two Fingers did you kill?
>every wiki weapon page: THIS IS PURE AIDS NO ORIGINALITY
What am I allowed to use
what is the least discussed aspect of elden ring lore?
>zanzibart's skull helmet
whoa
this shit pissed me off, you're telling me some literal fricking who can piss all over the roundtable's sanctity, and come for our throat if he wants, but the MOTHERFRICKING DUNGEATER can't do shit? guy even says hes bound by the roundtables rules and can't touch us despite wanting to so bad, so moronic
That's because the projection of the Dung Eater that is in the Roundtable Hold is some other entity altogether. It literally gives you the key to the poop munchers cell, insinuating that if it really was the DE himself, he could just have directed the projection to free him with no need for outside help. That, combined with the fact that the actual DE in the sewer prison opens the conversation with "Who are you?" makes it pretty clear that the projection is not him, just something posing as him.
This other entity is somehow restricted by the rules of the Hold.
>lore
thats literally just meaningless flavour text
There's nothing to discuss here since ensha doesn't connect to anything
that's why Ensha, King of Bones will be the final boss of shadow of the erdtree
Ensha lore is that Ensha is wearing his own skeleton.
Based. Imagine being such a Chad that instead of letting your skeleton wear you, YOU wear your skeleton.
you're literally controlling a skeleton IRL right now with your brain which is inside of it. pretty wild
Childhood is believing you control your skeleton. Adulthood is realizing you were always controlled by your skeleton, it even holds your brain hostage.
Properly spooked now.
unless they introduce the souless lord ensha in the DLC this is useless cut content like Flame god Flan in dark souls 1
>Helmet made of the bones of a guy named Ensha
>Worn by a guy named Ensha
???????????????????????
>you found half of the haligtree medallion?
>wtf I want to kill you now?!
Honestly, seriously, what the frick was his problem. Literally everyone important there wasn't even home and the tree was rotting.
He was gideon's buttbuddy gideon wanted the medalion so he can not go to the haligtree himself and not defeat malenia himself. He's the biggest fricking jobber in the game
Does elden ring predate the arrival of elden beast?
No, the Elden Stars description says:
>It is said that long ago, the Greater Will sent a golden star bearing a beast into the Lands Between, which would later become the Elden Ring.
but how does this explain the lore behind elden stars being the shittiest most pathetic trash spell in the entire game and doesn't deserve to be the highest faith incant and should've been cut?
I see. Doesn't it kinda clash with Marika fricking with the ring and removing the rune of death? I thought the purpose of it was to have the souls cycle through the erdtree (and thus the beast). I'd assume that, at least in the beginning she was 100% loyal to GW.
She removed the ring to make people immortal and her rule eternal, the GW doesn't care either way and just lets her do whatever until she broke its one rule and shattered the Ring. Whether souls return to the Erdtree or not is inconsequential to the GW, after all it introduced Destined Death in the first place until Marika removed it from the ring
The Elden = Elden Beast =/= Erdtree
According to Elden Stars the Ring came with the Beast on a meteor a long time ago and according to the dlc summary the Erdtree originally grew in the Land of Shadows. It seems like that theory that Marika somehow grew the Erdtree out of the Crucible might be true.
>according to the dlc summary the Erdtree originally grew in the Land of Shadows.
Source? I haven't seen any kind of summary anywhere
Not a summary but it was in an interview with Miyazaki, either famitsu or ign
No one knows
Is there some place to go to that gives a good general rundown of the lore? For a big general overview of anything. Can be a video, text, anything.
yeah I know this guy, he's the best lore teller around but you have to have to meet him in person, he only orates face to face, drop your number I'll link you guys up
No, pretty much everybody who gives a comprehensive rundown of the lore also inserts a lot of their own speculation. Tarnished Archaeologist on YouTube is pretty interesting because he notices a lot of environmental details that others ignore, but his reconstructed timeline ignores a lot of contrary textual evidence.
Miss Chalice ASMR
YOU DIDNT BEAT THE GAME
>parrying
I dropped that shit when I realised the game forces you to parry the boss several times now just to get 1 riposte, with all the delayed bullshit margit was doing, I learned to give it up fast, risk completely outweighed the reward
>ancient powerful blade
>looks like a week old log you shit out high on poppy tea
Must be a powerful weapon, as such a shit is hard like ancient stone and makes the ass bleed profusely. Shitting it out feels like giving anal birth.
This is it. The ancient log. The Assbleeder.
get off the computer dungeater
I hate when media treats the supernatural as made-up science or aliens. Shows a complete lack of understanding of how fantasy actually works, it actually baffles me that G R R Martin helped write this when he also said similar things in the past.
Ancient dragon smithing stones have god-slaying properties based on Hewg so it only doesn't make sense if your weapon wasn't max upgraded.
>Bring somber or less than +25 weapon to EB
>Deal 0 damage
Would be funny.
anyone else get turned on by the legs of those caelid big birds or am I mentally fricked
I can at least tell where you're coming from. But yes, you're mentally fricked
There is no writing, they just write random gibberish on every item because they know some YouTube homosexual will make up schizo headcanon stories about unrelated shit and the Fromsloppers will slurp it up and ask for more
Before thread dies gonna link this gnosticpilled lore.
I like the schizo occult side of ER lore theories.
I couldn’t handle the moronation.
Turned off after 20 seconds, moronic fricking larp voice
Ranni’s plotline is essentially about a woman destroying the Christian religion and replacing it with paganism all over again.
>Elden ring nonsense
I don't understand why frenzy is a tarnished only effect. Deathblight makes sense, it would trivialize the game in ways that bleed could only dream of. But Frenzy isn't OP and it is even a double edged sword.Shame the some of the coolest looking spells and skills are basically just for PVP
Is it possible for Miyazaki and Fromsoft to build a game that doesn't take place in a post apocalyptic world? Meaning villages, towns and everything's are still vibrant with life, not decrepit and ruined. With some of the main events that happened in the world's history have not happened yet but they happen when your character is actually exploring the world? Example, like the game staring during or right before the shattering of the Elder Ring? I feel like these developers especially with the Breath of the Wild, Tears of the Kingdom and Elden Ring use post-apocalyptic settings as budget savers for production values so they don't have to create NPCs walking around in towns giving a sense of life, like what Rockstar does with their games. Yeah I get it, Rockstar doesn't have as fun gameplay but that's not what I'm getting at though. Talking about world creating here. I'd like to see them do something not post-apocalyptic.
fromsoft is a hack dev so no
Capcom and Dragon Dogma is filling that void for you. Maybe Fromsoft next game will be something similar who knows. It's definitely a way to cut on development and budget though.
>Dragon Dogma
>filling the void
poor choice of words when there are no settlements in DD
Elden Ring at least is set during a time where your actions are meaningful and you can interact with other crucial historical characters, able to turn an age of fracture into whatever future you vibe with. Dark souls only gave you two outcomes, fake and gay.
And no, I don't think Fromsoft can do a rich, living world. These games are a simulator for being a murder hobo/ "cultural archeologist" accumulating every piece of loot in the world.
I mostly just don't have faith in Fromsoft's ability to handle a bunch of characters. At launch several questlines were fricked up and we all know about the cut content. They have their static and rudimentary questlines, where in a more vibrant world you need dynamic interactions and they just aren't good with this stuff.
>Is it possible for Miyazaki and Fromsoft to build a game that doesn't take place in a post apocalyptic world?
NO, because then they have to waste alot of time and resources making believable functioning society that no one will really give a shit about because we just want to kill monsters and demigods.
>Example, like the game staring during or right before the shattering of the Elder Ring?
Just like armored core then.
You had a +25 level weapon by then, boosted with the scales of the dragonlord, which bent time and had the power to kill a god. Elden Beast was already wounded when you fight it, as well. Fricking moron.
>"Hey Ranni, Marika is off her rocker and you'll have to step up to bat" t. The Greater Will
>"RRRRRRREEEEEEEEEE YOU'RE NOT MY DAD"
>Ranni has Godwyn killed so she can shirk her duties
>"RRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEE MY BELOVED SON"
>Marika shatters the ring
>GW's face when
Giving Ranni the amber draught and she asking if "thy thinkest tho woudst haveth thy way with me?" then calling you a foul pervert and killing you was PEAK GAMEPLAY.
I like how you can't even actually fight her, you just drop dead.
Absolute bullshit. She gets away with it cause she's someone's waifu on the team Mods will correct this. At least you can break her heart.
Maybe you shouldn't have such foul breath Anon.
Also I like to think canonically saying you'll serve her gives her magical power over you.
Tsundere
I want to finger-slay Ranni's slit if you know what I mean
The GW is genuinely benevolent. Marika and her Golden Order were the perpetrators of all of the atrocities people like to attribute to the GW, and they were the whole reason it was going to replace Marika as its vassal. Marika was having none of that and shattered the ring to cut off the GW from the Lands Between so she could come up with a plan to secure her continued rule. Turns out that plan is you (or rather any Tarnished, ideally Godfrey himself) and going with the default ending is playing right into her hand.
The whole thing is allegory for the game of religious telephone. The Greater Will itself seems to genuinely be good, benevolent, and extremely wise. But its agents, the Two Fingers, are not. All they can do is receive and interpret its will. Then their words themselves are either interpreted by the Finger Readers or imprinted onto stone for interpretation by mortals.
So in the end, everything gets fricked up and the Greater Will's intentions never come to pass. It's the whole reason the Greater Will put an Empyrean in charge at all; it's the only way for the Golden Order to function at all since circumstances demand that at least SOMEBODY be on the ground capable of making snap decisions.
The fingers were revered orators during the age of the Erdtree, anon. They literally projected the golden cipher that the cipher pata is made of for their audiences, meaning they could actually "speak" at one point, not just pose cryptically. The finger readers came to be after they no longer could do that.
GW=God
Fingers=Pope
Marika=Nobility
>But its agents, the Two Fingers, are not. All they can do is receive and interpret its will.
>this homie think the two fingers can communicate
LMAO
Enjoy your Golden Order propaganda
cool it with the propaganda
I love that morons ignore that Marika is a power-hungry c**t just to push the "everything she did was for the good of the people, she was trying to make a change, she saw how evil the GW truly was"
Marika was both a power hungry c**t and someone where if you fell within her parameters of acceptable life wanted you to live an eternal life filled with bounty. But if you didn't make those standards your were Kill on Sight.
This. if she was really going after the Nox plan she would have given Ranni much more support in her mission. To pull an Age of Stars it really seems all you needed was a way to fight Fingers and their Dogs and to avoid the GW before it's too late.
I get that Marika smashing the ring was pivitol to the latter part but it still doesn't seem like she was going for the Age of Stars.
You have no idea if the GW is good
All your information about it as a person living in the lands between is third hand information
>greater will screams autistic alien noises
>two fingers interpret
>finger reading crones then translate
>you, then, have to decide for yourself if you believe what they say after a dozen layers of others adding or subtracting their own bullshit to the "words of the greater will"
Even ensha herself tells you
>nah frick it no one knows whats going on just do what you want lmao
If it was so benevolent, why is it okay with the tarnished peepeepoopooing the entire world? How is that an acceptable ending to a benevolant force? As far as we know, the only thing the GW wants is control and it doesn't care what that looks like, be it an age of tyranny under dragons, an age of gold under marika's breasts, or an age of pissandpoop under the tranished's aids ridden bunghole
you're a b***h and you're going to pay for this
But it clearly wasn't ok with Marika's rule since it was going to replace her with Ranni.
>But it clearly wasn't ok with Marika's rule since it was going to replace her with Ranni.
Do we really know that?
I guess you're right since they are immortal and you dont really need a successor if you're never going to die
Perhaps, but perchance the reason they wanted to replace her is because she was planning on bucking the system entirely. I just don't think it's fair to say the GW is benevolent when an accepted ending is one that literally gives everyone diarrheaids for all enternity. Sure, they MIGHT be good, but the only thing known for sure is that they definitely want control of the land, so much so that when things go breasts up, they throw a 'tism tantrum and leave (presumably to go play roblox) We don't even know why they want control to begin with
Couldn't it be argued that you are strongarming the ring to do your bidding by forcibly adding a rune that originally was not a part of it, and therefore circumventing the will of the GW, who cannot instantly react to your desecration because the ring remains broken in the way that pertains to connecting the GW to the Lands Between?
Really only Goldmasks rune is something that the GW would probably be okay with inserting into the ring if it was there to actually observe it being done.
Yeah, that could be argued, I guess, considering you literally beat the shit out of the EB to make it submit to you. You do have a fair point there. But I still call into question whether or not the age of dragons was overall a good thing for the lands at large, and the GW was clearly on board with that
You assume that the Golden Order is somehow under the absolute control of the Greater Will and that it's aware of everything to do with it. When it's pretty obvious that's not the case considering that it takes even the Fingers like a fricking decade just to send it a telegram and that it sent the Elden Beast down to basically act as system administrator.
I didn't assume that, tho. Where in my post did it look like I implied that? Cause that was not my intention. What I'm saying is
>GW is the ceo
>twofingers/goldenorder are managers
>finger readers are your team leaders
Just because you know for a fact that your manager is a dickhead doesnt mean the ceo isn't also a piece of shit
>The GW is genuinely benevolent
I doubt this.
GW might not even be a single entity but an alliance of Outer Gods.
But it's most likely based on Yaldabaoth since they used artwork for him as seen here for the game
He wants souls and for you to worship him and to flourish...because it feeds him. And when a woman discovers he's just a liar he imprisons her in a tree.
Further proof? HE LEAVES
HIS RELIGIOUS ORDER IS NOT WORKING
SO
HE
LEAVES
YEAH, SURE SOUNDS LIKE HE CARES
you're that good dud
Note how there's no rune of homosexuality, meaning that being a gay is never a part of any order, it's always against nature. Frenzied Flame comes the closer to a troony ending - destroy the world on a pure whim and replace it with Hell which is your natural place.
can't add a rune that's already in the ring
>is fromsoft writing moronic or something?
yes! Yes it is! Is this your first FromSoft game or something?
What is the Greater Wills tax policy?
I discovered an interesting tidbit of information while going through Nokstella yesterday.
The Claymen have solidified blobs of silver all along their backs. Given their sorceries bare the nox/sellenia emblem I believe this means the claymen are the first experiments with Silver Tears. They're an animated amalgamate of earth and mercury.
another thing I noticed is parts of the map particularly in Nokstella have plants or stones covered in a silver glowing radiance. It seems the concept as implied by Celestial Dew and constant reference to "Tears" is that these substances rain down from the roof of the subterranean or possibly even the "false stars" the Nox have set up.
The architecture of Ulh ruins and other locations such as Mohg's Rise seems a lot closer to the Divine Towers than it does to the Nox Buildings. We may be looking at "Numen" Architecture.
The nox are possibly a reference or an allusion (in the vaguest sense) to C.S. Lewis' cosmic trilogy. In the third book, it's revealed that there's a race of people who live on the moon who are all about artificial life. A secret society of people on earth want to emulate that by getting rid of all life on earth that is "messy" and replace it with something they created that is sanitized, orderly, and controlled. The moon people are also described as having "cold marriages; where spouses make dolls of eachother and lay with those instead of their husbands or wives"
What's funny is I never read That Hideous Strength. I really liked the first book with all its distinct races and environments. The christian allegories were rather sparse if I recall with the main thing being that each world had an invisible angel guide it except earth's (which was satan I think).
Perelandria is where it got a bit corny. The setting of venus was again, very cool but Lewis drops the christian allegories wrapped in sci-fi for a straight up genesis parallel except on Venus. Like the first book has Ransom sitting there wondering if Mars underwent direct creation or had evolution when he looks at the fossilized remains of bird creatures near the bird-like Sorn race.
He does this again in Perelandria when observing alien mermaids but it's much more obvious God created two green humans gensis style given all the wacky shit like all life being peaceful and subservient to them and there only being two.
The bad guy from the first book coming back only to be possessed was kind of cool but also kind of silly because I remember he can only shit talk and can't be violent.
Also the retcon that the otter people's language was space latin spoken by the entire universe was shit tier.
I was like a freshmen at the time and wasn't raised Christian so I guess I just found it less interesting than the first book, so I never bothered with the third.
That Hideous Strength has some must read stuff, I mean that most sincerely.
Perelandria is a very direct study of untainted man and the devil like you said, very directly Christian/theology, so I can see why maybe that didn't click.
But regardless, read That Hideous Strength.
The third is very intresting because it diverges from the tone and style of the previous two and is a much more down to earth(pun intended) story that follows a husband and wife. It leans into "political" mystery much more, whereas e first two were scifi and adventure. It does get pretty wild towards the end though and brings some crazy cool scenes. I would definitely recommend giving them another chance when you have the time and finishing the trilogy
(I also think you're misremembering the part about violence in the second book. The bag guy is the one not being violent, only using words, but then ransom is told by God, "bro. Stop listening to this dweeb. Just go kill him, man" and the story shifts from a retelling of the garden of eden to an actual physical fight with an agent of the devil himself (kino)
Does anyone else think this game's story is too confusing? I usually like the
>here's all the pieces out of order
>fit them together moron
format but i really can't tell you the fricking difference between the Golden Order, The Greater Will, and the Two Fingers
>golden order
Rule of the world made by GW
>GW
The god, probably cosmic alien god
>Two fingers
Messengers of the GW
>Rule of the world made by GW
You mean Marika
>Golden Order
A religious code ratified by alterations to the Elden Ring by Marika.
>Golden Order Fundamentalism
Golden Order adherents with big int levels that started to look past Marika's edits and question the foundation of the Elden Ring and the GW.
a lot of people do
It doesnt help that its made to fit on a larger scale with a type of story-telling that doesnt really work to begin with, in a genre that it CANNOT work with
With a Man who goes too far into detail to then give his prompt to a man who doesnt give enough detail. Its a shitshow, anon
The Golden Order is religious-political order established by Queen Marika after she claimed the Elden Ring. The Elden Ring can be modified to control how the world works, so the Golden Order is also the law of the world in the metaphysical sense.
The Greater Will is the divine otherworldly being that created the Elden Beast (which is the Elden Ring) and sent it to the Lands Between. It is a God of Order, and its Elden Ring enforces order on the Lands Between.
The Two Fingers are like the Greater Will's "angels," and also its enforcers. They gave teachings and magic of the Greater Will to humanity, and they also support the political/governing aspect of the Golden Order and suppress those who would disrupt it. However, unlike true "angels" or other divine forces, they are mortal and fallible, operating independently according to what they believe the Greater Will wants. In reality, the Greater Will abandoned the Lands Between a long time ago and the Two Fingers are in the dark as much as everyone else.
Is there any real evidence that the Greater Will has actively done anything since dropping the Elden Ring/Beast on the world?
We're told that it fricked off a long time ago and we have every reason to believe that. It simply created the system that is now stagnant and decaying, like everything else in the Lands Between.
Something had to have provided the miracles for the Two Fingers that they used to bless people with, and the fact that they no longer are able to do that would imply that they have been severed from that source of power.
What else could that have been than the GW?
Isn't it possible that the Greater Will just sent the Elden Beast and the Fingers to the Lands Between to establish its "Order," but wasn't actively involved with anything beyond that?
Maybe the Two Fingers are fricked because they were cut off from the Greater Will, but it's also possible and even likely that they were never some kind of perfect being, and over time their golden majesty faded just like everything else up to the Erdtree itself. Even the Elden Beast can be resisted, wounded and killed. The Elden Ring was never perfect and unchanging, it could be modified and shattered.
People make the assumption that the Greater Will is some all-powerful and all-knowing capital-G God, but there's no reason to believe it isn't just as flawed as the Order it established.
People give the Greater Will the Capital G God status not because of infallibility but because of its status as creator god in shaping the world from primordial oneness.
It literally didn't create the world though, it just made the Elden Ring and sent it to the Lands Between, which already existed. The Golden Order is founded on top of the native metaphysical ecosystem that it replaced (and the other Orders of the gods before Marika). There are plenty of examples of surviving elements from those times, like the primordial Crucible and the Deathbirds, some of which have been syncretized with the Golden Order while most have been stamped out.
I think you and I have entirely different conceptions of the cosmology.
For me it goes
>Primordial Oneness known as the One Great exists
>Greater Will finds it and shoots the Elden Beast down breaking the One Great and shaping disparate life int he process
>Dragons are the first Order and are generally the most passive of orders allowing a variety of cultures and practices to exist under their rule
>Something ends the Dragon Order, its god flees, a meteor strikes sending the bulk of Farum Azula flying and Placidusax rips Farum Azula out of time
>A New Order arises to claim the Elden Ring and is eventually replaced, repeat until Marika with an absolutist vision for the world wipes out any potential risks to her order
>At some point along the way the Nox attempting to usurp the GW pull their shit and get blasted.
I draw my understanding from Hyetta, the descriptions of Farum Azula/The Beastmen and that big mural of the super Elden Ring the Dragons have.
The Frenzied Flame storyline is as essential to getting the lore as Ranni's storyline. I
It's a mighty convenient coincidence that the fingers (and everything really) lose their golden glory after Marika shatters the ring if they were not directly powered by the GW.
The GW probably isn't omnipotent, but it does have power, and most likely channeled that power through the beast aka the ring into the Lands Between.
>It's a mighty convenient coincidence that the fingers (and everything really) lose their golden glory after Marika shatters the ring if they were not directly powered by the GW.
The GW has abandoned the Lands Between.
This is stated in the introduction.
>This is stated in the introduction.
real schizo shit
>THE MAD TAINT OF THEIR NEWFOUND STRENGTH TRIGGERED THE SHATTERING
>A WAR FROM WHICH NO LORD AROSE
>A WAR LEADING TO ABANDONMENT BY THE GREATER WILL
Play Elden Ring
>greater will leaves
>nothing happens
Some things happened, and some things didn't.
It may simply be the case that the GW doesn't micromanage things as deeply as you want to believe.
or you know, the greater will doesn't matter and is irrelevant
Well I guess you could interpret it that way I guess but to me it sounds like that's just what the character narrating thinks and the reason he thinks that is because the Two Fingers can't reach the Greater Will for whatever reason, which could easily be the Shattering
>Play slop
No
Marika Shatters the Elden Ring and intentionally gives the fragments to the Demigods as part of her plan.
The power of the Fragments juices the Demigods and gives them the power to act on ambitions born from the power vacuum.
They war for 5000 years during which the GW fricks off entirely.
Simple as.
>Marika Shatters the Elden Ring and intentionally gives the fragments to the Demigods as part of her plan.
Wait, dont the demigods fight over the shards?
also why are there more shards than there are symbols on the elden ring
yeah that shit is cringe
cringe af frfr no cap 8-x
also if symbols on the elden ring control reality, and one of them used to be literal death, why are all the other symbols nonsense like "fire rune" "snake rune" "anchor rune" "blood rune"
The answer is yes but also no. While we're told the demigods fight over shards like half of them have their plans largely unrelated to the Elden Ring itself, and from the description of the Runes it also looks like some sort of birthright deal
>Malenia is daughter to Queen Marika and Radagon, and her Great Rune should have been the most sacred of all.
>Mohg and Morgott are twin brothers, and their Great Runes are naturally similar.
>This Great Rune is the anchor ring that houses the base, and proves two things: That the Omen King was born of the golden lineage, and that he was indeed the Lord of Leyndell.
These descriptions don't really make sense if their great runes weren't specific to them
"In Marika's own words. Hear me, Demigods. My children beloved. Make of thyselves that which ye desire. Be it a Lord. Be it a God. But should ye fail to become aught at all, ye will be forsaken. Amounting only to sacrifices..."
I think they all the Demigods inherited the runes from Marika which causes them to have certain blessings or curses. Only Godrick has a rune with more than a single circle. He must have gotten fragments from others by grafting them into himself after the Shattering
>trusting the intro guy
let me guess, your iq cant break double digits?
Any reason to believe it's a lie?
Like i keep saying, you treat your own assumptions with less skepticism than information that's actually in the game.
It's not a lie, but it is in itself an assumption made by the narrator, who is not capable of making a concrete statement like that with any authority.
>What is an unreliable narrator
You scrutinize the things the game outright states more deeply than your own assumptions.
Post shattering, the two-fingers are operating alone, counting more on their faded prestige than any actual power. When they finally need to "consult" the GW, they can't do it, or it would take an unreasonable time frame.
There is no reason to believe the abandonment by the GW thing is incorrect.
>the game outright states
schizo shit
You are just as quick to disregard the fact that the supposed abandonment coincides perfectly with the ring being shattered.
In the end, it is impossible to tell which viewpoint is correct, but it sure is suspicious that things went the way they did pretty much immediately after the ring was shattered. You could argue that the GW abandoned the Lands Between BECAUSE the ring was shattered, but that would beg the question of why it would do so when it obviously values the planet enough to leave its proxies there. It abandoning an ongoing investment like that would be odd, but not impossible, I guess.
>but that would beg the question of why it would do so when it obviously values the planet enough to leave its proxies there.
You assume the GW thinks like a cosmic chessmaster, and i don't think it does.
In the first place, the Golden Order was created by Marika, the Greater Will only provided her the tools to implement it.
Maybe being a manifestation of perfect order, the GW simply became distasteful with the chaos that the Lands Between had become and turned away from it.
the greater will has no explicitly way of functioning in the game. The fact that we're told that it existed and then now doesn't exist with no explanation as to how that's changed the game means more than likely the greater will doesn't matter and is just nonsense lore
Nowhere is that stated. The narrator also says that the demigods, who apparently are all children of Marika (including Godrick), claim the shards of the Elden Ring which then causes the Shattering
>It's a mighty convenient coincidence that the fingers (and everything really) lose their golden glory after Marika shatters the ring
Is that actually true? Did the Shattering spoil the Erdtree's gold, or was it already fading?
>"The Erdtree once flourished with abundance- yet it was only for a fleeting moment. Such is the course of all life."
Before the Shattering, flaws in the Order were already obvious. Marika herself recognized this, with Radagon and Miquella exploring Fundamentalism to better understand the Order and how it could be improved and repaired.
The point I am getting at is that I don't think the idea that the Greater Will was actively maintaining Order in the Lands Between is supported. Certainly it sent the Beast and its Fingers to establish and support the Order, but it is the nature of all life that their golden glory is eventually tarnished and that they will one day wither and die. If the Order was meant to be unchanging and eternal, it never really was.
Maybe new life could have replaced the old, like we see with the young Erdtrees sprouting, but flaws in the Order have prevented that. That is the fundamental issue in the game's setting, the decay of the established order and the necessity of something to replace it.
Couldn't that description simply be talking about the age of the Erdtree being shortlived and ending in the Shattering, with the final line being just a remark like "c'est la vie"?
Also, it's a important point that even after the Shattering, after the Elden Beast had supposedly punished her for her transgression against the Greater Will, Marika still had the power to take the Grace of Gold from the demigods and return it to her Tarnished.
What does that imply, if the golden power is all from the Greater Will who had certainly abandoned the land by this point?
it means the greater will is a red herring and the plot is nonsense
You made that all up
I think the guidance of grace is actually some kind of dead man's switch set up by Marika beforehand, so that if she ever got got, the Tarnished would be called back and guided towards helping her.
Who says the Fingers don't provide it? Lighting spells comes from dragon worship, clearly there is some dragon out there lending you its lightning.
If it comes from them, why are they suddenly unable to call upon their own power after Marika shatters the ring?
Well I mean Two Finger incants aren't really all that powerful to begin with. Plus like Golden Order incants they might simply be extracted from the Elden Ring to power them.
And from where does the power within the ring come from?
The GW, but it clearly is self sustaining and doesn't need the GW to directly power it like some kind of focus.
Are you sure about that? Because the world goes to shit the moment the beast is wounded and can (presumably) no longer receive the GW's power. The beast in itself also seems to be fighting for its life against you, as if it had to exert all it has left to try and fend you off.
Why do people think that the GW has abandoned the Lands Between and isn't simply cut off due to the ring being broken? When a radio is smashed, you can no longer hear the broadcast but that doesn't mean it has stopped.
I mean that's possible but doesn't exactly make a difference. Arguements about whether the GW is or Is not presence tend to only involve whether the Elden Beast is or is not directly being controlled by the GW. It doesn't exactly affect the story otherwise unless you'e a dumbass who still hasn't picked up Marika controls Grace.
Penis
Elden Fartslop
The real nonsense is "Unalloyed Gold" aka gold, regular gold. Also spoilers that the DLC involves time travel because Miquella the Unalloyed just means he hasn't had his ass pounded by mohg yet, also makes mohg assraping Miquella canon too.
Unalloyed Gold in basically a Miquella shitpost towards Marika.
Marika sealed Destined Death, but ignored other shit. She didn't even seal "fire" she just kicked it's god's ass and forced the last giant to tend to it. This allowed all the worst outergods to have little temper tantrums which ended up directly ruining Melania's life.
Marika's gold is not pure gold, if it was she would have dealt with the problem from the beginning.
Ironically, Miquella had to depend on rejects like Albinaurics to bolster his religious support. Mercury melts gold.
i won't leave shadow realm to finish the game without miquella, memezaki
>why am I forced to use this SHIT to kill the boss I'm A MAGE TRASH GAME
>I BEAT THE BOSS USING MY DICK LMAO TRASH WRITING
Whats this shit of Miyazaki saying that not everything has been figured out in Elden Ring in that interview? Does he mean lorewise, gameplaywise or something else?
>Please buy the DLC to understand ER's story 😉
The anons that insist this game has no lore or thought and everything is just content, are the same people that ignored algebra in high school because "I'm never gonna use it in the real world anyway."
>trannime
>moronic
have a nice day, election tourist.
>election tourist
they're even worse
It's too accessible for morons. Just look at average book or VN discussion. People are uncapable to understand what they're reading for 60 hours.
i don't think i've ever read a fromsoft item description and i've finished everything but des at least once
Elden Ring has no plot or story. It's all meaningless schizo ramblings from an unreliable narrator. Despite this people will make 3 hour long videos making shit up.
THE LOATHESOME DUNG EATER
That's all anyone remembers.
It's a story where you don't have all the pieces of the narrative, which is actually interesting to me.
Maybe it just wasn't for you, hopefully you can still enjoy the gameplay.
Souls games have essentially zero intentional lore, it's all just flavor text to set atmosphere and tone. That soulsgays have managed to piece together something out of it has no more bearing than people managing to connect stars together to make a big dipper in Ursa Major
Lore question, what would each of the boluses taste like?
wiener.
Melania might be the hardest boss but I swear Mohg is the most frustrating. The fricking delayed attakcks, and his massive fricking hit box slow the fight down. Tossing blood flame all over the arena in his second phase. Then of course Nihil which will really frick you over if you don't have the potion for it, and he still heals regardless.
Mohg is my most hated boss because you have to either waste a slot in your physick or just healtank through Nihil, which is fricking gay, and the entire arena becoming ambient bleed damage in the second phase is utter AIDS.
>either waste a slot in your physick or just healtank through Nihil
i had the flask for him but never realized it was for that fight didnt pay that much attention
just healed through it every time while wondering what the frick was i missing about that attack
It's pretty awesome that he's really weak to bleed because both his Remembrance weapons support that build.
Don't forget he gets an attack boost any you bleed or if he bleeds. Doing a bleed build will speed run his first phase only to get you one shotted when stacked on top of his blood fire in the 2nd.
>Start Lords of the Fallen cause i enjoy soulslike even if its not great
>opening cinematic starts
>After eons of tyranny the DEMON GOD....
>DEMON GOD
Who the frick wrote that, sounds like something from a 70s movie
Game was better than i expected tbh
>Demon God
>The God over Demons
I dont see the problem? Its fantasy, God doesn't mean Christian Deity in the Christian Bible.
nah i dont meant like that
i meant that it sounded hacky, like a first draft title that ends up changed later on
eh, maybe. I just thought it was kind of like a description, since they immediately gave his name
>Demon God
sound like something from Demon's souls
sounds like something from an 80s jrpg
They're just ripping off Demon's Souls where the entire game you're led to believe there is god and the Great One who was sent down to frick with humanity but then you find the Beast Talismin and realize the God one is just a simplified version of the demon pinecone and despair that God has been a demonic torture pinecone the entire time.
Why does the magic nerd academy have a church? Who are they praying to
The Carians who ran the academy and the Golden Order became literal butt buddies.
THE MOONINITES
Rennala marrying Radagon of the Golden Order led to that