The clumsy sword usage makes it look like a parody. You can still salvage the armored sealion but not the using tools as a human would, that looks unwieldy (moronic).
You can fix it. Only make his legs a little longer, give him kneecaps, and make it a bipedal. A bit of a hunchback to keep the monster vibe. That's it.
You don't change the design, you don't change the idea, you only make him go from 4 to 2 legs.
The only thing shit about Samurott is it using a sword. If it was just some narwhal sea lion thing it'd be fine. But the sword necesitates clunky poses and animations.
> The redesign looks way, way, way more like it belongs with Dewott than the official design does.
No it doesn't. > Not an argument
I won't waste time with a moron who can't even fix the shadows on his shitty design.
Why is it that not even your family likes your shitty art?
>No it doesn't.
Yes it does. >black arms and feet Dewott gains progresses and grows to more of its body instead of randomly disappearing on Samurott >keeps bipedal stance with swords readily available on its legs instead of nonsensically becoming quadruped and becoming worse at using its weapons >ears are kept while still retaining the helmet >scallop shell motif is kept instead of randomly gaining a conch shell and armor that barely even looks like shells anymore
>I won't waste time
i.e. "I don't have an argument"
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
> Yes it does >> Procceeds to spew schizobabble
Get your eyes checked Dewott's arms and legs are blue > inb4 black is a shade of blue
You're moronic > That means you have no argument
No, it means you're too stupid to understand where you're wrong.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Y-YOU'RE WRONG!! >can't explain how
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
> C-Can't explain why
I've gone so multiple times, you even ignored one in the last comment.
Sorry Raphaggot bot even your family can deal with your shitty art anymore.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Get your eyes checked Dewott's arms and legs are blue
least blind samurottard
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
> Talks about arms and legs > Circles hands and feet
You're braindead lil bro.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
My original post said “feet”. You’re the one who changed it to “legs”, you fricking moron. And yes, forearms are a part of your arms.
>The redesign looks way, way, way...
That's a bit of an overstatement. Other than it standing up, I disagree.
>No it doesn't.
Yes it does. >black arms and feet Dewott gains progresses and grows to more of its body instead of randomly disappearing on Samurott >keeps bipedal stance with swords readily available on its legs instead of nonsensically becoming quadruped and becoming worse at using its weapons >ears are kept while still retaining the helmet >scallop shell motif is kept instead of randomly gaining a conch shell and armor that barely even looks like shells anymore
>I won't waste time
i.e. "I don't have an argument"
>black arms and feet Dewott gains progresses
Which looks really stupid. The rest of the line had a majorly blue body and now it's suddenly majorly black out of nowhere. Especially since, as I see it, Oshawott->Dewott shows it evolving to get increasingly blue, not the reverse. Ironically, some parts which got black at Dewott are not black anymore at the redesign (claws, ears). >ears are kept
This is just an assumption, but Samurott should still have ears under the helmet.
The way the beard/whiskers looks, covering up the entire face, doesn't help either. Makes it look even more like some badger or mole.
>The rest of the line had a majorly blue body
Oshawott is mostly white. Dewott gets darker and gains blue and black. The redesign gets even darker while still retaining the blue on its lower body just like the previous two stages. The progression doesn’t make any less sense than Empoleon or Primarina or Chesnaught.
> but Samurott should still have ears under the helmet.
But they aren’t visible, which increases the disconnect.
> Makes it look even more like some badger or mole.
Or an otter. You know, the thing the line is fricking based on that commonly have white hair covering their whole faces.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Oshawott is mostly white
But also mostly blue. >Dewott gets darker
That's a bit of an overstatement, it has pretty much the same shade of blue making up its body as Oshawott does. >The redesign gets even darker
That's an understatement, now it looks like almost its entire body is close to pitch black. >The progression doesn't make any less sense than Empoleon or Primarina or Chesnaught
Yes it does. >Or an otter.
Or a mole, like you know Excadrill. Also yes, otters can be white (which is why Oshawott is a good design imo) but Dewott already ditched that concept.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>But also mostly blue
Just like the redeisgn.
> it has pretty much the same shade of blue making up its body as Oshawott does
Just like the redesign.
>now it looks like almost its entire body is close to pitch black.
Yes, because it evolved from Dewott. Just like how Dewott evolved from Oshawott and suddenly got its entire body entirely blue when Oshawott's wasn't. Imagine that.
>Yes it does.
No it doesn't.
>Or a mole
Or an otter.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Just like the redesign
Except not really >Just like the redesign
Except only on a small part of the body to the point it starts to clash with all the black >Oshawott and suddenly got its entire body entirely blue
And that was my point, why make it more blue with Dewott and then it suddenly loses all its blue coloring? The way the blue and black clashes here also makes it look like its entire body is black now and the blue is just armor. End result: it looks bad. >Or an otter
No, not convinced. Still looks more like a mole to me.
[...] >There comes a certain point when screaming "fan art doesn't count!" will wear off anon
Not really.
>Yep.
Nope.
>No, more of it's body is some form of blue
Like the redeisgn.
>And the main color of Samurott is an even darker blue, yes
Like the redesign.
>by poorly using what was just claws+stylized gloves on dewitt to make it an undercout color for no reason
It's not for no reason.
>also flipped the top-lighter-than-bottom" design that the previous two had for no reason.
Just like Samurott.
>Regular Smaurott makes it seem like the fur tufts of dewott took over the whole body, as well as progressing from bubble-like "protection" with oshawott, a more robust samurai-apprentice "skirt" with dewott, and fully fledged armor on samurott
Just like the redesign.
>this by keeping the shells to two and just adding the helmet
So...not keeping the shells to two?
> which looks worse and less believable for no reason
No, what's less believable is Dewott evolving to become less effective at using its swords.
>while mixing use of warm and cool colors in a way that does not mix well at all
They're mixed the same way as the official design.
>revert claws to white
Dewott doesn't have claws.
>revert ear color
Starters commonly revert colors between stages, yes.
>ruin mustache-face geometry completely
The geometry looks like an otter, which is what its based on.
>ruin light sources
And now you've already ran out of arguments for how the design is bad. Congrats.
>make running look stupid, like it's a different animal order entirely
The official design is guiltier of both of these.
> all for what benefit exactly
It actually being able to use its swords effectively instead of having to constantly jump and stand stationary like a moron.
>Dewott doesn't have claws
Source? >Starters commonly revert colors between stages
Examples? Because it looks terrible here.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Just like the redeisgn.
Redesign's main color is Black, mongol. >because it evolved from Dewott
So main color went from blue to blue to black. That's less consistent than the official three, who all have their most prominent color as blue of some kind. >No it doesn't
yes it does. The other starters don't turn an otter into amole, something not even closely related. >or an otter
looks more like a mole though
[...] >There comes a certain point when screaming "fan art doesn't count!" will wear off anon
Not really.
>Yep.
Nope.
>No, more of it's body is some form of blue
Like the redeisgn.
>And the main color of Samurott is an even darker blue, yes
Like the redesign.
>by poorly using what was just claws+stylized gloves on dewitt to make it an undercout color for no reason
It's not for no reason.
>also flipped the top-lighter-than-bottom" design that the previous two had for no reason.
Just like Samurott.
>Regular Smaurott makes it seem like the fur tufts of dewott took over the whole body, as well as progressing from bubble-like "protection" with oshawott, a more robust samurai-apprentice "skirt" with dewott, and fully fledged armor on samurott
Just like the redesign.
>this by keeping the shells to two and just adding the helmet
So...not keeping the shells to two?
> which looks worse and less believable for no reason
No, what's less believable is Dewott evolving to become less effective at using its swords.
>while mixing use of warm and cool colors in a way that does not mix well at all
They're mixed the same way as the official design.
>revert claws to white
Dewott doesn't have claws.
>revert ear color
Starters commonly revert colors between stages, yes.
>ruin mustache-face geometry completely
The geometry looks like an otter, which is what its based on.
>ruin light sources
And now you've already ran out of arguments for how the design is bad. Congrats.
>make running look stupid, like it's a different animal order entirely
The official design is guiltier of both of these.
> all for what benefit exactly
It actually being able to use its swords effectively instead of having to constantly jump and stand stationary like a moron.
>Not really
Yes really. Especially when it's being used to demonstrate how a design you think is fundamentally bad can still work had the devs been better at their job. >Yep
Nope >Like the redesign
Redesign's main color is Black, mongol. >not for no reason
No matter the reason, it's inconsistent. Osha and Dewott darken bottom-up, with the darker fur covering Samurott's body. The redesign's black is random darker from the top instead (inconsistent) or is just fur loss and is black skin, making it a Black person (inconsistent). >Just like Samurott
Again, Samurott didn't flip it. It took Dewotts fur tufts and covered the whole body with it. That's natural progression. >two shells
The use of shells should evolve beyond just making Dewott's bigger and adding a helmet that's less usable. >dodges the helmet criticism
I'm not surprised >less effective
Explain picrel >mixed the same way
The official doesn't infuse cool and warm tones in an inconsistent fashion like the redesign does. >Dewott doesn't have claws
The redesign's white claws still stick out like sore thumbs >Starters revert colors
Not little body parts like ears that stick out like sore thumbs >looks like an otter
Otters don't have their faces lifted off their heads and displayed on hair. >ran out of arguments
Sorry you don't even know how light works, let alone how to design mons >official design
Can run in picrel with more defined legs and is an animal that is still incredibly similar looking animals, unlike a mole randomly >less effective
Explain picrel
>STOP SEETHING OVER THE DESIGN NOT MAKING SENSE!!
sorry I have standards
The clumsy sword usage makes it look like a parody. You can still salvage the armored sealion but not the using tools as a human would, that looks unwieldy (moronic).
>artist had to make it floating in a void and drastically change its leg proportions to hide the fact that the design literally doesn't work
you're just proving the point of the detractors when you spam fan art like this tbh
looks awful because the face looks too small and the conch shell looks out of place with the rest of its shells
the redesign is fine which is why no one can find any objective flaws with it
If we go by your logic then it would be more suited as a covergent/reigonal Excadrill form than an alternate Samurott dumbass. Quit shilling your garbage OC.
>artist had to make it floating in a void and drastically change its leg proportions to hide the fact that the design literally doesn't work
you're just proving the point of the detractors when you spam fan art like this tbh
>There comes a certain point when screaming "fan art doesn't count!" will wear off anon
Not really.
>Yep.
Nope.
>No, more of it's body is some form of blue
Like the redeisgn.
>And the main color of Samurott is an even darker blue, yes
Like the redesign.
>by poorly using what was just claws+stylized gloves on dewitt to make it an undercout color for no reason
It's not for no reason.
>also flipped the top-lighter-than-bottom" design that the previous two had for no reason.
Just like Samurott.
>Regular Smaurott makes it seem like the fur tufts of dewott took over the whole body, as well as progressing from bubble-like "protection" with oshawott, a more robust samurai-apprentice "skirt" with dewott, and fully fledged armor on samurott
Just like the redesign.
>this by keeping the shells to two and just adding the helmet
So...not keeping the shells to two?
> which looks worse and less believable for no reason
No, what's less believable is Dewott evolving to become less effective at using its swords.
>while mixing use of warm and cool colors in a way that does not mix well at all
They're mixed the same way as the official design.
>revert claws to white
Dewott doesn't have claws.
>revert ear color
Starters commonly revert colors between stages, yes.
>ruin mustache-face geometry completely
The geometry looks like an otter, which is what its based on.
>ruin light sources
And now you've already ran out of arguments for how the design is bad. Congrats.
>make running look stupid, like it's a different animal order entirely
The official design is guiltier of both of these.
> all for what benefit exactly
It actually being able to use its swords effectively instead of having to constantly jump and stand stationary like a moron.
i don't think there's any salvaging this samurott. it's a fundamentally shitty design,
you can make it edgy like PLA did, you can make it bipedal, you can post yawngay's abomination. it doesn't matter, it still looks like shit
Samurott is already a good design and doesn't need fixing.
The clumsy sword usage makes it look like a parody. You can still salvage the armored sealion but not the using tools as a human would, that looks unwieldy (moronic).
You can fix it. Only make his legs a little longer, give him kneecaps, and make it a bipedal. A bit of a hunchback to keep the monster vibe. That's it.
You don't change the design, you don't change the idea, you only make him go from 4 to 2 legs.
With the risk of it looking like a cartoony, fat barabaitmon. If you make it bipedal I'd prefer it to just be a bigger dewott tbh.
Samurott is already perfect, it does not need salvaging.
The only thing shit about Samurott is it using a sword. If it was just some narwhal sea lion thing it'd be fine. But the sword necesitates clunky poses and animations.
And that's why Samurott should have had its own line and Dewott's evo should have been BiggerDewott.
>The last evo looks like it belongs to another line
>Good
Good job fixing nothing
>The last evo looks like it belongs to another line
The redesign looks way, way, way more like it belongs with Dewott than the official design does.
>no argument
> The redesign looks way, way, way more like it belongs with Dewott than the official design does.
No it doesn't.
> Not an argument
I won't waste time with a moron who can't even fix the shadows on his shitty design.
Why is it that not even your family likes your shitty art?
>No it doesn't.
Yes it does.
>black arms and feet Dewott gains progresses and grows to more of its body instead of randomly disappearing on Samurott
>keeps bipedal stance with swords readily available on its legs instead of nonsensically becoming quadruped and becoming worse at using its weapons
>ears are kept while still retaining the helmet
>scallop shell motif is kept instead of randomly gaining a conch shell and armor that barely even looks like shells anymore
>I won't waste time
i.e. "I don't have an argument"
> Yes it does
>> Procceeds to spew schizobabble
Get your eyes checked Dewott's arms and legs are blue
> inb4 black is a shade of blue
You're moronic
> That means you have no argument
No, it means you're too stupid to understand where you're wrong.
>Y-YOU'RE WRONG!!
>can't explain how
> C-Can't explain why
I've gone so multiple times, you even ignored one in the last comment.
Sorry Raphaggot bot even your family can deal with your shitty art anymore.
>Get your eyes checked Dewott's arms and legs are blue
least blind samurottard
> Talks about arms and legs
> Circles hands and feet
You're braindead lil bro.
My original post said “feet”. You’re the one who changed it to “legs”, you fricking moron. And yes, forearms are a part of your arms.
>The redesign looks way, way, way...
That's a bit of an overstatement. Other than it standing up, I disagree.
>black arms and feet Dewott gains progresses
Which looks really stupid. The rest of the line had a majorly blue body and now it's suddenly majorly black out of nowhere. Especially since, as I see it, Oshawott->Dewott shows it evolving to get increasingly blue, not the reverse. Ironically, some parts which got black at Dewott are not black anymore at the redesign (claws, ears).
>ears are kept
This is just an assumption, but Samurott should still have ears under the helmet.
The way the beard/whiskers looks, covering up the entire face, doesn't help either. Makes it look even more like some badger or mole.
> That's a bit of an overstatement
Nope.
>The rest of the line had a majorly blue body
Oshawott is mostly white. Dewott gets darker and gains blue and black. The redesign gets even darker while still retaining the blue on its lower body just like the previous two stages. The progression doesn’t make any less sense than Empoleon or Primarina or Chesnaught.
> but Samurott should still have ears under the helmet.
But they aren’t visible, which increases the disconnect.
> Makes it look even more like some badger or mole.
Or an otter. You know, the thing the line is fricking based on that commonly have white hair covering their whole faces.
>Oshawott is mostly white
But also mostly blue.
>Dewott gets darker
That's a bit of an overstatement, it has pretty much the same shade of blue making up its body as Oshawott does.
>The redesign gets even darker
That's an understatement, now it looks like almost its entire body is close to pitch black.
>The progression doesn't make any less sense than Empoleon or Primarina or Chesnaught
Yes it does.
>Or an otter.
Or a mole, like you know Excadrill. Also yes, otters can be white (which is why Oshawott is a good design imo) but Dewott already ditched that concept.
>But also mostly blue
Just like the redeisgn.
> it has pretty much the same shade of blue making up its body as Oshawott does
Just like the redesign.
>now it looks like almost its entire body is close to pitch black.
Yes, because it evolved from Dewott. Just like how Dewott evolved from Oshawott and suddenly got its entire body entirely blue when Oshawott's wasn't. Imagine that.
>Yes it does.
No it doesn't.
>Or a mole
Or an otter.
>Just like the redesign
Except not really
>Just like the redesign
Except only on a small part of the body to the point it starts to clash with all the black
>Oshawott and suddenly got its entire body entirely blue
And that was my point, why make it more blue with Dewott and then it suddenly loses all its blue coloring? The way the blue and black clashes here also makes it look like its entire body is black now and the blue is just armor. End result: it looks bad.
>Or an otter
No, not convinced. Still looks more like a mole to me.
>Dewott doesn't have claws
Source?
>Starters commonly revert colors between stages
Examples? Because it looks terrible here.
>Just like the redeisgn.
Redesign's main color is Black, mongol.
>because it evolved from Dewott
So main color went from blue to blue to black. That's less consistent than the official three, who all have their most prominent color as blue of some kind.
>No it doesn't
yes it does. The other starters don't turn an otter into amole, something not even closely related.
>or an otter
looks more like a mole though
>Not really
Yes really. Especially when it's being used to demonstrate how a design you think is fundamentally bad can still work had the devs been better at their job.
>Yep
Nope
>Like the redesign
Redesign's main color is Black, mongol.
>not for no reason
No matter the reason, it's inconsistent. Osha and Dewott darken bottom-up, with the darker fur covering Samurott's body. The redesign's black is random darker from the top instead (inconsistent) or is just fur loss and is black skin, making it a Black person (inconsistent).
>Just like Samurott
Again, Samurott didn't flip it. It took Dewotts fur tufts and covered the whole body with it. That's natural progression.
>two shells
The use of shells should evolve beyond just making Dewott's bigger and adding a helmet that's less usable.
>dodges the helmet criticism
I'm not surprised
>less effective
Explain picrel
>mixed the same way
The official doesn't infuse cool and warm tones in an inconsistent fashion like the redesign does.
>Dewott doesn't have claws
The redesign's white claws still stick out like sore thumbs
>Starters revert colors
Not little body parts like ears that stick out like sore thumbs
>looks like an otter
Otters don't have their faces lifted off their heads and displayed on hair.
>ran out of arguments
Sorry you don't even know how light works, let alone how to design mons
>official design
Can run in picrel with more defined legs and is an animal that is still incredibly similar looking animals, unlike a mole randomly
>less effective
Explain picrel
literally not how design works, are you moronic
>erm digersby is a ugly design therefore its impossible to make a good rabbit pokemon!
this design already fixes it
people only seethe so hard over it because they can’t come up with any actual problems with it.
Is there a ROMhack that uses this design?
>says the woman seething it's not a gay biped
>STOP SEETHING OVER THE DESIGN NOT MAKING SENSE!!
sorry I have standards
sameBlack person
Here's the actual good Samurott redesign.
looks awful because the face looks too small and the conch shell looks out of place with the rest of its shells
the redesign is fine which is why no one can find any objective flaws with it
Looks better than the original redesign, still no idea why he's black.
How can you call Samurott a bad design mon and then post whatever the frick this is lmaooooo redesigngays are so moronic
>30 yens have been inserted in your bank account
>let's recolor excadrill, put random shells on it and call it a redesigned samurott
this redesign was a mistake
>B-BUT IT LOOKS LIKE OTHER POKEMON
Isn’t this just evidence that the redesign is good?
No, Raphaggot your redesign sucks ass.
If we go by your logic then it would be more suited as a covergent/reigonal Excadrill form than an alternate Samurott dumbass. Quit shilling your garbage OC.
Your design is the worst Raphael Borg.
Sorry, we like monsters here.
kino
Moments before kiss
>artist had to make it floating in a void and drastically change its leg proportions to hide the fact that the design literally doesn't work
you're just proving the point of the detractors when you spam fan art like this tbh
>Samurotturd falsegay thread Number 637
now make him muscular!
BEEFIER
>There comes a certain point when screaming "fan art doesn't count!" will wear off anon
Not really.
>Yep.
Nope.
>No, more of it's body is some form of blue
Like the redeisgn.
>And the main color of Samurott is an even darker blue, yes
Like the redesign.
>by poorly using what was just claws+stylized gloves on dewitt to make it an undercout color for no reason
It's not for no reason.
>also flipped the top-lighter-than-bottom" design that the previous two had for no reason.
Just like Samurott.
>Regular Smaurott makes it seem like the fur tufts of dewott took over the whole body, as well as progressing from bubble-like "protection" with oshawott, a more robust samurai-apprentice "skirt" with dewott, and fully fledged armor on samurott
Just like the redesign.
>this by keeping the shells to two and just adding the helmet
So...not keeping the shells to two?
> which looks worse and less believable for no reason
No, what's less believable is Dewott evolving to become less effective at using its swords.
>while mixing use of warm and cool colors in a way that does not mix well at all
They're mixed the same way as the official design.
>revert claws to white
Dewott doesn't have claws.
>revert ear color
Starters commonly revert colors between stages, yes.
>ruin mustache-face geometry completely
The geometry looks like an otter, which is what its based on.
>ruin light sources
And now you've already ran out of arguments for how the design is bad. Congrats.
>make running look stupid, like it's a different animal order entirely
The official design is guiltier of both of these.
> all for what benefit exactly
It actually being able to use its swords effectively instead of having to constantly jump and stand stationary like a moron.
The moron thinks this is TOO FAR for an evolution....
But randomly making it evolve into THIS is fair game somehow!
Don't even bother, Raphael is too moronic to accept he's wrong and you've thoroughly BTFOd him and his shitty redesign.