>Epic plans on fully pivoting into a Fortnite metaverse hoping to turn it into the second Roblox
>head of EGS has seen the writing on the wall and quit the company
What went wrong?
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Epic Games Store is an Abject Failure
Skill issue
Should have improved the service
When it takes you years to implement something as simple as a fricking cart you shouldn't be running a store.
No one actually buys games on Epic, they just download the freebies. A shopping cart is unnecessary.
>A shopping cart is unnecessary.
Hey, sometimes they have TWO free games per week.
FPBP.
Every time I open up EGS, it takes 2-3 times longer than Steam to even boot up. It also to this day doesn't even have an option that allows users to quickly move the install location for a game the way you can on Steam with the click of a button. Until EGS gets all the basic functionalities that Steam has, then it will never have any player retention. Fortnite is literally the only thing keeping it alive.
fpbp
I've installed thousands of games using steam and only once has the download ever failed. Meanwhile out of the three games I bothered to grab from epic, 2 of them had broken files downloaded.
Absolutely based.
It's always staggering how moronic people with tons of money can be when it comes to understanding basic free market competition.
EGS is a fricking joke
They cater to devs by having no forums or reviews
It lacks most of the functionality of GOG and Steam
They've had years to do something to set it apart other than shoveling free games into people's libraries
It's just bad
The fact that it so explicitly put publishers/developers first was an immediate red flag for me, and everything since has validated me handsomely.
>no reviews, like you said
>no forums, like you said
>jack shit for customer convenience and gameplay features, certainly no hope in hell of competing with Steam's suite of QoL features or communal aspects
>their goddamn exclusivity program, which was very much meant to be a bribe for pubs/devs and was brazenly abused by 99% of recipients as basically welfare fraud to guarantee SOME level of income for a knowingly awful game/botched port
>buying up exclusives, but in the worst way possible for them (not enough quantity/desirability to sway meaningful amounts of people over, but enough so to just annoy people into actively avoiding their store and pirating those games when possible or just waiting extra for their inevitable Steam releases)
>not understanding that free games aren't enough to keep people around as actual paying customers (if you are identically copying one of the failed schemes from fricking It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, you need to seriously re-evaluate your business prowess)
their lack of community features fricked them the most imo. I remember downloading EGS for the first time because I had already wanted to play their latest free game. I download EGS, download the game and get an error. I go to google because EGS has no forum. What's the first result that has the answer to my problem? It was the steam forum for the game.
They've really fricked up. They could have become an actual competitor to steam, now it might be too late.
>now it might be too late.
Might be? Black person, they've got one foot glued in the grave.
I think they could still gain a larger share of the market but that would require revamping their store AND adding a bunch of community features. I don't think they'll do that though, it would probably be too costly and they're already laying people off.
Good summary. idk wtf they expected with these decisions, I only open the launcher to get the free games which almost always suck anyway & the one game I bought, a souls clone, I had to put it on steam to get the controller to work which is quite frankly pathetic. It's such a throwaway launcher in comparison to steam.
honestly this
let's be fricking serious for a minute, Epic has BILLIONS of dollars, and they couldn't hire people to make a decent store client? that's the one thing, the other is the fact that ever since Epic decided to create a competition for Steam people been talking about how it lacks all the cool features Steam has, so all Tim had to do was to copy Gaben's shop and keep giving people free games, and it would have been a MASSIVE success.
it's like Tim never really wanted to be a competition for Steam. solution for all his probles is to copy Steam's features, but it's been so many years and they haven't done anything to improve their shop, it's in the exact same state when it came out few years ago.
At first i thought maybe Tencent doesn't want Epic to have forums and reviewing system and other things Steam has because of censure, but steam has millions of chinese users, and id chinese government was unhappy with how steam allows people to share their mind on open forum, they would have forced gaben to block it in china or change it in some way, so WHAT THE FRICK is Tim's problem? isn't he supposed to be smart? he's doing exact opposite of what Steam does on purpose, it's literally like if he doesn't want his shop to succed, it's like he thinks he can reinvent the wheel when nobody is asking for it.
i bet if 10 million of people separately told Tim that they want Steam's features he would've said
>uhmmm, you're wrong honey, you don't want Steam features 🙂
and then scratch his head wondering why Epic is a failure
Imagine all he did was add Epic's version of those fricking trading cards
gimi
>he's doing exact opposite of what Steam does on purpose, it's literally like if he doesn't want his shop to succed, it's like he thinks he can reinvent the wheel when nobody is asking for it.
Reminder that the day after Gabe said he wouldn't allow NFT scam games on valve timmy turned let all the scams into his store
shit was funny
someone post the screenshoot
Eveb if EGS was literally a copy pasted Steam with free games, people still wouldn't use it because it's not Steam.
If it was a total copy of steam it wouldn't:
>have a 50% direct tie to the chinese governemnt
>instantly start scraping all the data it can about other launchers
>bride devs for exclusivity
so more people would end up using it
Bonus: Head and main proponent of EGS as well as SteamSpy creator smugly flaunting Fortnite's numbers compared to Steam years ago.
Now Fortnite is at 2M concurrents on a good day actoss all platforms while Steam is at a healthy 9M and growing.
this fricker was always such a Black person
threw so much shit at steam and it turns out he was literally hired by a competitor
used all the data steamspy scraped as the basis for egs, ran a massive media led smear campaign against it, threw a billion to even gain some semblance of a market share and they STILL fricking failed
i spit
>how dare these goyim expose what we did
>who the hell do these goyim think they are!?
and what DID they do that epic exposed?
muh 30%?
Ruin an entire industry by turning software sales into software rentals?
Black person what's epic store doing different in that regard you shill
Providing the best game engine in the world for free to anyone who wants to use it?
>for free
>invite friend to house
>boot up mordhau
>friend sees unreal logo
>"oh its an unreal engine game? That's how you know it's a good game!"
>don't invite friend to house anymore
>for free
>Just have to make a spyware account, homie.
Nein.
>make burner account and run the engine in a dev environment
>get 30 years of engine development for free
let me guess, downvoted to defend le epic gaben?
And what does that have to do with the shopfront?
>threw a billion to even gain some semblance of a market share and they STILL fricking failed
i spit
You'd think they could have spared a few hundred thousand to get someone to make a responsive and functional store/launcher instead of the glitchy mess that EGS was last time I checked
Dude was always an idiot. His asshurt about the changes to the API will always be funny.
>NOOO YOU HAVE TO LET ME ACCURATELY COUNT USER NUMBERS
>YOU JUST DO OK !?
I mean it was lame.
>Steam taking active steps to protect its users' privacy was lame
>Fortnite now has 8.3M peak players.
Most of them are snoyggers.
Anon look at the date. That was 5 years ago and today Fortnite can barely do one third that. Meanwhile Steam is bigger than ever.
OH NONONONONONONO WE GOT TOOO wienerY!!!! SNOYSISTERS, EPICSISTERS, PAJEETSISTERS?!?!?!??
>"all-time peak"
>only goes back a month
kek
Shoot hate that motherfricker. Glad to see his ass got the boot.
It's not like 8.3 players in F2P game can compare to platform whose players actually bring in money and pay for games
That's just the thing. When you see or saw the posts "it's just launcher bro, it doesn't matter" it was clear shilling. The problem is that they actually believed that shit themselves.
Because actually proper client would cost much more - because yes, there is what you download and use but you need proper infrastructure to support it.
I remember this guy running his mouth so hard when EGS first came out.
How they were the future. How stuff like steam reviews and forums were unneeded. How he agreed with Tim that publishers were more important than players. How Steam was killing indies.
It was fricking insane.
>How Steam was killing indies
Oh I remember that fricker pushing the narrative that Steam was responsible for the death of indie games.
https://galyonk.in/on-indiepocalypse-what-is-really-killing-indie-games-3da3c3a1ea76
Meanwhile indies on EGS will be lucky to get 1% of Steam's sales.
Frick yeah yeah yeah. This is what I was thinking of.
And journos parroted this shit for years too alongside him. When in reality Steam was one of the biggest reasons indies started to flourish and nowadays the services they provide are an integral part in the indie process. Was a god damn c**t of a man. He also whined and called Valve evil for essentially killing steamspy when turns out steamspy was literally made to gather data from steam for a competitor. Holy shit.
>steamspy when turns out steamspy was literally made to gather data from steam for a competitor
wut
Sergiy Galyonkin, creator of SteamSpy, was also Sergiy Galyonkin, head dev on the Epic Games Store.
Never knew that.
Devilish
A LOT of EGS' movements were clearly made according to outdated he had with Steamspy.
A lot of people said those things back then. High profile people like Randy Pitchford, the said Steamspy guy, even gaming outlets such as PC Gamer or Verge.
>High profile people like Randy Pitchford
I remember that, it was funny because everything he touches decays, you'd think they wouldn't want him talking about egs tainting it by association.
>I remember this guy running his mouth so hard when EGS first came out.
He got paid. There is no way outside of being paid you could say EGS is a good thing. It had fricking nothing. None of the features steam had nearly 20 years ago. Not even a fricking shopping cart.
Oh and some gays be like
>I don't need those features
homie it can't even download games properly. Steam you can kill a download or corrupt a file and it gives no fricks. Steam will repair whatever you do.
EGS? It fricking redownloads the entire game.
>Multiplatform game has more users than a storefront accesible via a single platform
What is the point of that post?
>jews still having their literally moronic inbred conscripts attack the only company that dared attack blackrock's favorite drm platform
>MegaGrants
lmfao, see it on a lot of indie shit.
>__ _______
>___
2 Artifact
Never
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Half life
3
>D_ N_____g
>__n
Someone else help me fill out the rest
>do literally nothing
>win
and people will claim steam isnt a monopoly
you don't know what a monopoly is
when people who are no more distantly related to you than third cousins control every media and financial industry worldwide, as well as being the majority of the judges who refuse to hear cases on things like enticing children to gamble
I read all definitions of a monopoly from regulators and it is one.
you don't know what a monopoly is c**t. kys
>offer better experience
>win
It's not rocket science, Timmy
Provide a reason one would use epic over something else, if available?
One image to shutdown all pajeet bloody bastards.
Drag them, CISter.
>all offering Steam keys
That's not really a good counterargument. Why not mention actually distinct stores like GOG or itchio or hell EGS itself?
The argument in the image is the pricing, not avaliability
>spend a decade cultivating a good service
>bet on a market tha noboyd dared to touch and siglehandedly make it bloom
>do nothing
Valve already did what needed to be done.
That's actually wrong. Valve worked on steam all those years while everyone else did absolutely nothing. Especially Timmy, the most butthurt dog of them all. Steam didn't spawn in 2004 and suddenly had 100 % market share. They only had their own games on steam back then and gradually did they get developers and publishers to put their games on steam. Then came the storefront, playtimer and so on.
Meanwhile Timmy fricked dogs and released UT3 on his own client, but it didn't stick, because it literally had nothing else and he did frick all for over a decade. The same with EA and Ubisoft. EA was the first to introduce their own store and kept it only for their own games, which in turn was the only trend other publishers copied. Steam and ultimately Valve is only were it is, because of the incompetence of the others.
And please look up what a monopoly is.
Seethe & cope about it Timmy.
Proptip: A monopoly (which Steam isn't) is not inherently illegal. It's only illegal if achieved & maintained through ant-competitive measures. Offering a better service is the opposite of that.
I'm going to redeem this card.
NOOOO DO NOT REDEEEEEM
reminder that take the hit when it comes to gift cards but still do it because Nips prefer cards
?t=2219
More like
>Do the absolute fricking minimum allowed by the law, because you got slapped in the wrist by the EU and chose to eat that humble pie for a change
>Everyone else refuses to do the absolutely fricking minimum
>???
>Profit!
What you and the rest of the industry don't understand is a tale as old as time, Steam isn't winning because it's the best storefront ever, it's winning because EVERYONE ELSE IS STUPID AND GREEDIER
Steam didn't materialize its titanic customer base out of thin air, rather its customer base inevitably ended up orbiting Steam through the course of many, many years because they're objectively the least worse option to this day.
Do you believe in gravity? You better do.
You wanna compete with a market leader you gotta offer more than what they offer, because you're trying to convince people who already have a lot invested in the other guy to switch to you. Epic's only plan was to throw their seemingly bottomless chinkbux at giving out free games, but everything else about the service was so bad that even piles of free shit wasn't pulling in enough people.
Steam makes every game on their storefront moron?
>making linux accessible to normalgays
>nothing
I like steam because pirating games from it is pretty easy
I don't care about your gay little front ends
Nintendo and Sony are also both monopoly yet you continue to buy all their consoles and games.
https://twitter.com/Keytotruth/media
https://twitter.com/NouZeM_/media
https://twitter.com/C4DNerd/media
All those epic shills are still console cuckolds. Really makes you think. Actual PC gamer spit on the pedo who owns a casino for toddlers.
S-shut up and buy a console! Epic is based frick steam for stealing my exclusives!
>>do literally nothing
>>win
>and people will claim steam isnt a monopoly
Do everything right, build trust with your consumers, don't make boneheaded moves because you're not investor backed.
Man it's almost as if they fricking earned it.
That’s exactly why Steam isn’t a “monopoly.” A monopoly would actively try to undermine the competition to retrain control. Steam simply provides a service and the majority of the market gravitates towards it
Steam is a monopoly, dumb frick
>but but you need to
no
good morning sir.
How is it a monopoly when I can buy games on GoG and even epic
epic xirs...
bloody prostitute stemes monopoly are killing tim-sama's company...
OUR RESPONSE???
All he had to do was invest in the service & make fast, visibly upgrades to the Epic Store experience. Instead he took years just to add a Shopping Cart...something which is standard on any other commerce site on the Internet. And then he treated it as if it was entitled to expect a Shopping Cart.
Tim either wasn't trying at all and just being obnoxious for attention, or he is a legit idiot-savant who programmed the industry's go-to game engine but is a total fool when it comes to anything that isn't writing strings of computer code & math formula.
I don't know why you frickwits get so caught up with the shopping card.
Nintendo e-shop doesn't have a shopping cart and yet that is quite literally never mentioned, ever. But for some reason it's a make or break deal for you morons just because Steam has it? Truly a baffling thing to try to wrap your head around.
YAMEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>consolecuck confused at people comparing competing products with one another (competition is banned on his toy)
>Nintendo e-shop doesn't have a shopping cart and yet that is quite literally never mentioned
It does have lying piece of shit.
>even nintendo a backward ass company managed to put a cart in their store and timmy couldn't
LMFAO
i bet he would make the store a command line if he had the chance
so they want to become the roblox of fortnite
That Apple Lolsuit must've really got them.
jesus that lolsuit was hilarious
>timmy: GABE YOU BETTER LET US PUT OUR STORE ON YOUR SERVICE OR WE WILL SUE YOU
>gabe: sure, can we put our store on your service?
and then this issue was never brought up again
Not sure what to feel. I'm all in favor of market competition and I respect them for trying, but... all of my games are on Steam, everything gaming-related I need is on Steam. All of my friends are on Steam. If there are better deals elsewhere, I wish I was paying more attention to them. It's just easier paying 5 bucks more on steam. It takes like a few seconds to buy a game
Sorry Epic Games Store
Shalom! Steam really is much easier goys I mean guys, let's all download Steam right now, make sure your internet connection is always on!
So you're NOT on Steam then?
>make sure your internet connection is always on!
You can play offline i'm pretty sure
You can play steam games offline
That's right goyim don't worry we'd never forcibly delete games from your hard drive after stealing them from your steam collection, trust us!
explain how that would be possible without an internet connection
I don't believe Steam has ever uninstalled things that are taken off the store page either.
you can still download delisted games too
this seems pretty convincing. so i should just use epic now, sis?
you lost timmy get over it
do like GOG and sell installers that don't require a client
i play offline so my only problem is having to put up with another obnoxious client
>Make platform known only for free games
>people only come for free games then go back to Steam/Discord
They shouldn't be doing fricking anything that possibly gets in the way of Unreal Engine and Fortnite. Fortnite would have even more players if it was on Steam, guaranteed. And making something EGS exclusive absolutely lowers PC sales in the end, PC sales of games that are potentially running on Unreal Engine. Games they had to pay for exclusivity, and receive a smaller cut from.
EGS only hurts them. There's just no way it can lead to anything. Now the news coming out that the store is in trouble, who is going to buy games on a platform that might not exist in the next few years? Will they really let you transfer all those free games to Steam like when Bethesda Launcher shut down?
>Epic plans on fully pivoting into a Fortnite metaverse hoping to turn it into the second Roblox
Most of the game's playerbase hates this direction, so I'm CERTAIN this will work well for Epic.
>Epic Games Store is an Abject Failure
No shit. Surprising literally nobody.
>release shit store
>full of shit games
>not a single attempt to improve it in almost half a decade
>spend all your budget on having pajeets shill your store for a year in Ganker, to no avail
This epic games store is bare bones, I open it just to play the free games, but there is literally nothing to do and there is no quality of life better than steam
>customer base was people who needed parents credit card
They act like this is some big shock that people moved on to the next trendy thing when Fornite wasnt "cool" anymore.
Instead of making the new thing they keep trying to drive people to there one success they had.
They milk there one IP to death and wonder where everyone went.
If not for the Engine Epic would have been a dead company after Gears Money dried up.
what's happening here is that China us decoupling from the western economic system in anticipation of continued escalation. This is something we should all avoid hysterically antagonizing about in our charmingly ineffectual manner
Will there ever be a proper competitor to Steam?
Competition is good for us, it means better deals
Steam all alone is still better than two public companies competing for good boy points from investors.
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>it means better deals
It won't.
it didn't happen with egs, it won't happen with anyone else.
Not in the near future. The industry is in a terrible state from a technical point of view. Everything works poorly, if it works at all.
First, somone would need to realize they need to make a platform with a store and not just a store with a library. Then they would need to realize it's a program, it has to work, and work good. There is no story, no music, no dialogue, no gameplay to excuse the technical problems. And no DLSS. Lastly, they must be willing to commit to losing money on this until it becomes a viable competitor
No because steam is a service first and a store second, other companies only focus on the store aspect and fail miserably because of it. With a single button press I can start streaming without any software to setup, a friend can invite me to a game and with one click I launch it, join their game/server/party and I'm ready to go. No one else provides that ease of use even when it's just first party games while steam works for ANY game.
Funnily enough the closest competitor to what steam provides is actually discord.
>Funnily enough the closest competitor to what steam provides is actually discord.
"Discord games" failed miserably, and thank god for that
Remember that these features took fifteen years to implement and perfect. When Steam launched it was famously shitty and slow and a poor alternative to just buying the game in a box at walmart. It took a lot of years for it to get where it is.
True but when Steam started it wasn’t beloved and defended. It got its toehold because it didn’t have any real competitors. Steam didn’t come up 15 years ago against a service that, then, could do what Steam does now.
I've been using steam since 2004, and it was rough back in the day, but back then there was xfire and that was the bee's knees so most people used that on top of steam for communication and stuff. Then it shut down, but by that time steam had become loads better. I'd say around 2008 is when it really started hitting its stride.
Yeah because Steam literally paved the way forward. It fell into all the pitfalls for everyone else. And don't pretend no one could have competed with valve back then. Even with PEAK Source era Steam was still small as frick.
But no, Microsoft completely shat the bed. Everyone ran away and went to consoles. EA never tried with Origin. Etc.
Yep. All the messaging back then was "PC gaming is dead, console is the future", in fact I believe Tim Sweeny himself said exactly that more than once. Gabe simply ignored this corporate wisdom and stayed the course.
Yeah, I remember buying The Orange Box and being really pissed off that I had to install Steam to use it. It took a lot of time for Steam to become what it is.
Steam was already pretty good 10 years ago. When Steam first came out, Valve was a fraction of what it is now. You can't say the same thing for most of the companies trying to compete with Valve in the online game store market. They have deep pockets and could easily copy all the features Steam has and more within a few years. But they don't
>Will there ever be a proper competitor to Steam?
No, and thank Allah there won't be. All these other shit stores had their chance in the early 00's and they failed at it. GOG fricking pivoted to giving non-LOL OLD 1970-1990 titles like in the past four years and even THEN they're delayed Steam releases (Yakuza 0-6 finally came after like 4 years).
gog is always going to be slower, that's the nature of the DRM cabal. The difference, and the main draw, is that you own the titles you purchase
There are already countless key resellers/distributors with deals rotated constantly, in addition to Steam's own sales, and Humble Bundle shit. Legit copies of games were never as cheap or available as in the past decade, for those wiling to wait just a short while. I really don't know what more people want/expect.
>it means better deals
You know 3rd party sellers are a thing right? They all compete with each other. GMG is usually cheaper than Steam for christ sake.
>it means better deals
the store doesn't set the price you fricking moron, the developer/publisher does
>developers definitely don't pass the steam tax onto you goyim just rent from based gaben okay?
why weren't prices lower on the egs?
Lower than free?
So every game on EGS is free?
All of them? Can I download GTA5 in there for free right now?
>moves the goalposts
lol you israelites are hilarious
So you admit games aren't cheaper on egs?
games don't have to be "cheap", developers are entitled to money kiddo.
No one is willing to put genuine effort into a product any more
The tech industry is comprised 100% of get rich quick schemes that rely on the already established large companies to shill garbage to their users
No one will ever make a client that actually fricking works and is comparable to the performance and feature set of Steam. You will continue to see quarter-assed clients the likes of EA Desktop, Epic Games Store, and Xbox for PC because that is all anyone is willing to make. An electron based app that just loads a website coded in a day by some third-worlder.
>An electron based app that just loads a website coded in a day by some third-worlder.
But Anon... Gabe said. We ARE an electron app (reason why they're dropping Win7 support finally: Chrome is doing it so they had to).
GOG was found to have put DRM on Phantom Liberty. Whether by mistake or intentional, it's another sign that they not only have went back on their one main appeal of the store, but they are untrustworthy. And this is following constant PR disasters such as allowing HITMAN on their store in the first place.
what DRM?
wasn't that just bugged Galaxy integration
I don't think so, but GOG is the closet one we get.
>Will there ever be a proper competitor to Steam?
Unironically this. The Xbox client isn't as fleshed out as Steam, but it has improved the past few years and is now tolerable. I'll take a worse user experience to save money.
>save money by renting
Yeah. I play most games once and if I really like a title I'll buy it when it's really cheap on Steam so ¯_(ツ)_/¯.
I'm sure as shit not dropping $70 for Persona 3 Reload I'll tell you that much.
But at the end of the day that means a win for Steam, because they get your money.
Timmy did such a bad job that MS of all companies actually has more good will on their store.
Going on an interview just after launching the store and saying that actually we won't care about the customers at all because we can just buy exclusivity so publishers will eventually decide which store wins wasn't his smartest move.
the Xbox app is still terrible and Game Pass barely has any games
>I'll take a worse user experience to save money.
you're probably not my type of customer for my business either
you get what you pay for buddy, this world aint cheap for many reasons nowadays
When Gaben finally kicks the bucket you might see an exodus of biblical proportions after its announced that Steam has gone public. Nothing good ever lasts once those chucklefricks get involved.
the moment Valve goes public, shit will hit the fan
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I highly doubt they will, i mean if you have a infinite warchest of funds with a decades long catalog, why go against the status quo?
It would be corporate suicide
line going up, but could line go up...faster?
The line could go up faster if they quit throwing money at the 99 percent of pet projects that shrivel up and die at the hands of their managment to be fair.
Valve is very clearly not interested in actively pursuing higher profits, or they would've made Steam MUCH more aggressively monetized. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the money Valve spends goes into Linux development.
because it's a private company, they can choose what their priorities are
public companies are contractually obligated to make the line go up as much as possible
yes, that's what I was saying
You can blame the Dodge Brothers for that mantra.
you see, you're thinking rationally with a long term mindset
unfortunately, publicly traded companies inevitably commit suicide chasing unsustainable short turn gains
if Valve goes public, they will try to squeeze dollars out of just having an account
they won't be able to help themselves
>corpo vulture from the outside sees an opening
>crashes the company with no survivors
>gives himself a fat stack as compensation
>rinse and repeat
Its a tale as old as time tbh.
At some point the high-ups will want to cash out. They don't care about the "legacy" of steam and keeping it pure. That will be someone else's problem.
I will go back to pirate harder.
I'm already getting back into pirating. I still buy certain games (mostly indie stuff I want to support) but I've saved hundreds by pirating things lately
"competition"
yeah that worked out great with Sony, Netflix or light bulbs
there is competition homie but everyone else is objectively worse by far
theres GoG and the Xbox Game Pass
Competition won't solve bloating budgets
I don't want nor need competition. Steam does what i need, how i want.
The main competitor to steam is piracy. All the shit tier stores aren't even on the radar.
>What went wrong?
Absolutely no actual plan to convert users to paying customers.
Remember when you could get a person's full personal details because of a security issue with their support tickets?
Remember when they leaked customer's credit card details by mistake?
No shopping cart so people had to buy each game at a time during a sale, triggering banks' security system to stop rapid fire use of someone's credit card?
Remember EGS vs Apple?
Who in their right mind would trust them? Who? No trust, no sales.
I would buy on EGS if the games were DRM-free, but in practice it is nothing more than a worse Steam. There is no reason to even consider it as an alternative. GOG is the only service that can reliably compete with Steam tbh. I'm honestly shocked that Ganker seems totally committed to Steam given its track record, for how contrarian this board is
>he thinks shills are Ganker
>he doesn't know israel takes actual inbred morons who are conscripted for mandatory military service and forces them to work in call centers
With launcher and launcherless are two niches within the market. There will always be an audience for both types. But once you go with a launcher approach there's really no point to compare yourself to gog or itch since you've opted out of the reason most people use these in the first place
Majority of games on Epic actually are DRM free anon. After downloading through launcher you can completly close it and run games through executable without any problems.
Same can be said for Steam games anon
every game on egs has always online drm
if you lose connection the game you are playing will shut down after a while
>steamies shitting themselves and clapping their hands because their only competitor might not be doing well
If the competitor pays for exclusives, then yeah.
If it means I get Kingdom Hearts on Steam finally, yes. Die b***h, die. Please die.
>he really wants to play donald duck brought to you by the people who killed final fantasy
>on steam
>so they can just shut it off whenever they feel like and steal his money
Stfu schizo homosexual, KH1 and 2 are great.
>MUH GOOFY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=AbBKKSyzAsg2iv1W&v=dHp7-azrj2c
>visit epic stroe now and again when remember they have free games
>add free games to cart
>never play them and never install the epic client anyway
>forget about it for a few months
Transforming to a platform makes it sound like they are effectively not letting go of EGS as a concept though.
One guess is they might pivot it to something like Blizzard, where they focus solely on first-party titles with a lot of integration, and just don't bother with the rest.
thats what they get for bringing console exclusivity shit for the pcs
Why do you care?
does that mean all the free games i logged in for religiously in the EGS will be gone now?
You could've redeemed them via browser, anon.
Yeah, not right now, but there's a good chance of that happening in two years or more.
Stream and GOG would probably get bought if they get in trouble considering their age, and customer numbers, but EGS? It doesn't look attractive, like at all. You would have to keep giving games for free, who the frick wants to pay people to play games?
honestly i never played any of those free games anyway, like 90% of it is shovelware
Even the good ones get rareqly played because epic trashed their brand perception
The only one people cared about was GTA5 and only to hack in GTAO. LMAO. Huemonkeys don't even play the shit they get off that Spyware store.
Remember kids if it doesn't make BlackRock any money, it's Spyware.
>Chinese
>Not malware
This is your brain on /misc/ that "troony troony troony"'s things.
See also:
Specificially:
>Remember when you could get a person's full personal details because of a security issue with their support tickets?
It's malware, Anon-san. Sorry you're too moronic to see it.
Ok, but why would I wait four years to play Yakuza on PC when I can do it on... Steam.
I literally do not give a frick about the DRM scheme beyond being able to back-up/pirate. So GOG's selling point is pointless to me.
>BUT ANON YOU CAN GIVE THOSE TITLES TO OT--
I don't care. Literally. GOG pivoted too late, I have 800+ titles on Steam, I'm not going to GOG, as proven by them dropping that "bring your Steam library stuff over" program they did for like two years and then quietly cancelled.
>outs himself as a troony
I'm comfortable with my penis and gender, can you say the same /misc/lack?
>reddit troony can't go five seconds without quoting a reddit meme
you really are pickle rick
>the second Roblox
Am I supposed to know what that means?
they want fortnite to be an everything game where you can essentially make whatever gameplay experience you want.
difference here though is that fortnite sucks and no one plays it anymore while roblox has millions of 3 year olds that play it
Also the tools they provide for Fortnite are absurdly limited. At least with Roblox you have Lua scripting so you can at least make an actual game. Epic is fricking terrified of giving people full access to an unrestricted editor for some reason.
You literally cant even add your own guns
Even fricking TF2 has pretty much full vscript support now even if its limited to Source
>What went wrong?
Nothing, frick Seregi Gurlukovich and frick his Chinese spyware store.
That shit wouldn't have been made in the first place if he didn't get butthurt Gabe stopped his Sales-AGE bullshit salewarring dumbshit.
>give away biggest games like GTA V
>people still won't install your launcher
Sad.
It's telling that there's a LOT less EGS 'threads' now that the layoffs have been announced. Almost as if that shit was viral marketing maybe...
>israelite shill confesses via projection
every single time
>Steam is a more neutral ground store through and through and has built a solid reputation even in its lowest moments
>Epic builds its store on half-hearted ideological battles from a autistic manchild that has burned more money on Fortnite upkeep and exclusivity rights than gaining, Fortnite is STILL in the red after all these years
Wow i am so shocked right now wow how could this happen
there is no possible way Tim has spent and is spending billions on Fortnite development
When your game is used as a collab marketing tool those royalties and checks add up
FRICK YOU BLOODY BASTERD
>hoping to turn it into the second Roblox
Being the "second" of something successful has never been a winning strategy.
they tried to make a developer / publisher focused platform instead of asking what games consumers want
EGS just had nothing really to offer.
Most of my games were already on Steam. If a game was available on both I'd buy it on Steam in order to keep most of my collection together. If a game was only available on EGS I'd buy it there, plus pick up the weekly free shit. I have no real loyalty to Steam, but I see no reason to be loyal to EGS either. I buy stuff from GoG at about the same rate since they have stuff neither platform does.
Basically you have to offer something worth it to me to split my collection. With EGS's features being worse than Steam the only reason to go there was for exclusives. Apparently this isn't enough to run a profitable business on.
that sounds so fricking good though, Fortnite is literally the greatest game right now. everyone else is stuck on 3D games, but they have a 4D game with 5D elements, and here they are pushing further.
Epic is definitely punching above their weight and slaying. Can't wait for Thursday, good shit *sip*
>use epic games store explicitly for 'free' games
>epic games store is doomed to fail
>never play a ton of 'free' games
>i never owned them to begin with
lol
So has Timmy done any promotions that if you buy games on his store you get a fortnite skin out of it? Seems like that would be the obvious move if you want all the fortnite kids to actually use your store.
No, that would actually make sense and increase conversions to paying customers, that's heresy.
Epic only does shit you can't spend money on (freebies) or shit you have to spend money on with them (exclusives). No inbetweens
Especially weird because valve has done that multiple times with tf2
Yes, Goat Simulator 3.
At least know what you're talking about, homosexuals
>one is a pioneer in linux gaming
>the other wants to freeze linux out entirely
the choice is obvious
ESG shill please
THIS IS FALSE!!! SIRS!!! DELETE YOUR POST SIRS!!!! YOU BLOOODY BASTERD!!! SIRS!!!!!!!!!!!!
All the globohomosexual dark ESG money is all being funnel to the Ukraine war. This is why all these globohomosexual ESG funded tech companies are laying off the diversity hires left and right. This is what is actually happening right now
you have schizophrenia
>israelite starts projecting about israeli birth defects and israeli brain damage caused by israeli inbreeding
you got me, im a israelite, i was trying to demoralize you
>israeli confession through sarcasm
lol every single time
im israeli and im genociding the white race. what are you gonna do about it?
lol look at the poor little israelite go, so jealous of humans
We're at the top goy, and there's nothing you can do about it.
>we're at the top he says, seething from his mutated genepool
>richest people
>control all institutions
>have our own ethnostate (unlike whites)
lol jealous?
>israelite starts projecting about his jealousy towards humans
lol
Why would I be jealous of goyim slaves?
Tim might have provided plenty of incentives for developers to sell their games on his store but he barely did anything for customers. I'm honestly surprised his store even became second in place to Steam considering the competition has been around for well over a decade now. Guess they're all just that bad that EGS was able to become the next big competitor to Steam.
EGS could also pad their numbers with fortnite kids and opportunists logging in for a free game
Epic was never gonna succeed vs steam since people already had an investment into their steam collection and don't like splitting it up. Their idea of the free games was very smart because it builds up your epic collection and makes it feel more natural to buy games on epic. The Steam Deck releasing killed epic even more, now people that reached a point where didn't care if they were buying on steam or epic now have an incentive to buy on steam again, the deck.
EGS didn't offer a better product, they just gave out free games and hoped it would be enough of an incentive. But the EGS itself is so bad that it nullifies the attraction of free things.
Also people are just way too brand loyal that it requires something to actually frick up really badly for something to replace it. Until Steam does something it can't recover from, no real competition has a chance against the monopoly on PC games it now holds. Which is funny when people were so resistant to Steam for so long as there was a preference for physical over digital. People only started to give Steam a chance when their Orange Box cases just gave a download code. And then over time, physical PC games are hard to come by and even new computers rarely have a CD drive by default, so people just were kind of forced to accept it in the end. Now it seems people can't imagine a pre-Steam time.
>People only started to give Steam a chance when their Orange Box cases just gave a download code.
Physical PC games pretty much suicided with more and more ridiculous DRM schemes. Remember SecuROM? A limited quantity of forced online activations? If you upgraded your PC a couple of times you'd lose access to the game because hardware changes used up an activation? Steam was the lesser evil.
>sure we turned the entire software sales market into the software rental market but can you imagine the alternative?
boostard logic lol
it was already a rental market, but even worse
>but I owned the disk!
and the data on it was protected by MUCH more draconian DRM than Steam's
>you have to put the CD in the drive to play the game
vs
>if you accidentally connect to the internet at any time the game can delete itself from your hard drive if the publisher decided they weren't making enough money off it 20 years later
>you can install the game five times total and that's it
vs
>something that has literally never happened once in the 20 years Steam has been around
That's right, no game has ever been retroactively removed from steam and users hard drives that's just an anti-semitic lie
yes
name one game
correct
>you have to put the CD in the drive to play the game
>you have to activate the game upon installation and every time your hardware changes, but you only get 2 activations with your purchase and have to call support to get a couple more, one time only
>fine, we printed the wrong phone number on the manual so there's nobody to call, so we'll up the activations to 5, you guys better be happy now
This was literally how Bioshock was launched.
Yeah stuff like SecuROM and StarForce were absolute cancer.
>if you accidentally connect to the internet at any time the game can delete itself from your hard drive if the publisher decided they weren't making enough money off it 20 years later
That's not true I have games taken off the steam market I can still download and play.
You are arguing with someone who didn't deal with starforce, securom or ubi practices. You are wasting your time and basically justifying his meal tickets salary.
Zoomers don't know how good they have it.
I regularly boot up EGS to use Unreal and I rarely even look at the free games. Most of them are trash for one
>What went wrong?
everything.
it still has not most of the features of other stores.
despite the lower cut by epic games cost as much or even more in some cases.
their infrastructure is fricked in many different ways and no one actually buys any games from the egs.
people only play fortnite on it and nothing else.
when developers boast lots of sales from the egs they are lying because of how the exclusivity deals work with epic.
in exchange for getting onto the epic store epic games pays developers in sales they themselves purchase until the agreed upon amount is met.
those purchased games dont actually have any users behind them.
what i do woner though is when the epic store eventualyl closes what will happen to the games?
will you be able to transfer them to steam or get keys for them or whill they just vanish?
Isn't S&Box's objective to be the next Roblox?
Timmy might lose there if Garry actually releases the damn thing to the public finally
well I'm leaving Epic in a couple weeks, and turning Fortnite into the next Roblox has been the company's direction for about 3 years now. This is nothing new. The store has always been a side thing, and there's not really any plans to change it's current trajectory.
me too no good goyim would ever continue to use anything that competes with our chosen platform Steam
can't wait for fornite's money to dry so epig store can frick off for good
>they finally admitted it
took em way too long
If they just stuck to giving out free games, they could at least have had some goodwill and a user base willing to shill for and defend them. Instead they tried to bring console war exclusivity bullshit to a platform that was relatively free of that kind of stuff which much made them public enemy #1.
>Sergei fired
Good. His Steamspy work helped make Steam more transparent than ever, then he takes a job working on one of the most locked down platforms out there? Frick him.
Sell old battlepasses Tim. Do it you fricker.
>NOOOOO UNITY BAD USE UNREAL iNSTEAD
>meanwhile Timmy fires hundreds of employees and keeps spouting shit about the METAVERSE
holy fricking LMAO
this industry is so fricked
Epic is getting ready to do their Unity style heel turn. I can't wait for the shitshow.
yeah goyim, epic, the only company to go up against the apple and steam israelites in court is definitely going to do what the israelites just did with unity, just wait and see
lmao you're a fricking moron
seriously, have a nice day
>David Szymanski
this guy needs to get off social media and finish dusk HD
I desperately want this to happen to see the shitstorm
saw some dude say some Epic services his company uses went up 25% today, hopefully this ends timtam
Why in the frick is Sweeney still talking about the metameme? Zuccerisraelite literally lost BILLIONS from that and his company has never been the same.
Sweeny has a god complex. Who cares if one of the richest companies in the world ate shit, Epic should simply not eat shit. Easy win.
>Any goy who tries to challenge our monopoly must think they have a g-d complex!!!!
Can poos really not type out the word "god"?
>israeli confession through projection
Answer the question
>israelite makes demands of a human
kek
I'll take that as a yes
it's a israelite thing
Science doesn't allow for it.
To be fair, Weenie actually has the right demographic and foundation for it, as opposed to Zuck's fanbase of 50 something year old factory workers that just want to share their mundane life with friends.
It's been his obsession for quite a while, and he wants to be one of the leaders behind it.
Everything Epic has done in the last few years has been pushing towards that goal, even with it crashing down he still pushes for it like
show. He wants to be a big platform centered around Epic and Fortnite
What's the over-under on how many months it'll take for Epic to release Alan Wake 2 on Steam and GOG out of desperation for some extra shekels?
There's also the investments he did with GenDesign and Playdead, I wonder what's going to happen.
Literally all Tim has to do is make Fortnite good but he'd rather waste money on this stupid shit
It baffles me that no one has tried to copy the Steam Marketplace yet. It literally prints infinite money for free.
>Slap an anime girl on a gun texture
>Put it in a crate and give it to the player for free
>Tell them to pay $5 to open it
>They sell it to someone on the marketplace
>Take 30% of that transaction on top of the $5 you just made
>Do this 100,000,000 per day
You have to have a market in the first place for that to work. Otherwise, you get all of those dead looter-shooters with more mtx than players
I sometimes think Tim's entire reason for being is seething so hard because he's not beloved like Gaben
Some anon posted a magazine article from the 90s with Tim gloating on one-upping Carmack with Unreal and it was right before Half-Life came out. He's been doing this shit for a long time it apparently.
And then with the pc is dead, ps3 is the king. I think he is the type of person who cannot handle being wrong about something and then he saw valve winning millions daily with barely any work and, well, he got worried about the future because he knows the moment fortnite lose presence, it's over.
>with barely any work
Valve doesn't have to do shit because they spent years building up steam while tim kept talking about how pcs were irrelevant and consoles were king. They put in the work and made the objectively correct decision and the existence of steam is a constant reminder to him of how badly he fricked up.
>after years of work, you've finally beaten id and outdone carmack
>game is a big success, quake btfo, how will they ever recover?
>some fat fricking homosexual releases a game a few months later that immediately makes you irrelevant
Maybe every unreal game was pulled from the egs after he remembered this.
Unreal was just Quake 1 with colored lighting and it ran like shit on machines of the time. The genius of id Tech was that it always ran wonderfully even on low tier machines despite being graphically advanced. Wolfenstein 3D wasn't the most advanced engine at the time - there were games which already figured out how to do multiple heights - but it ran on everything. When DOOM came out, games already existed where floors could stack above eachother - but it ran on everything while the other games needed super PCs.
Unreal GOLD still not being available on Epic is one of the most moonbrained things ive seen from this homosexual
>tim: gabe is stealing your money
>gabe: networth 4 billion, taken from over 1 billion steam accounts
>tim: networth 8 billion, taken from 230 million accounts
>Come to the scene so fricking late that even Ubisoft looks competent
>Release a rushed, low quality client that uses more resources for a fraction of the features compared to Steam
>Introduce console war bullshit to the PC scene
>Place a bunch of obnoxious inconveniences onto the customer
>Puke out the most astroturfed marketing movement since the original Borderlands
>Train your shills to only shout "STEAMIES" at all the very legit and objective criticisms
>Be amazed people show aversion to your product
It's a mystery.
>even Ubisoft looks competent
let's not go crazy here
>>Puke out the most astroturfed marketing movement since the original Borderlands
>Train your shills to only shout "STEAMIES" at all the very legit and objective criticisms
>Be amazed people show aversion to your product
This is the biggest thing for me, right here. They absolutely shit the bed with the viral marketing. The sheer amount of noise and shitposting drove me away from it.
>israeli shill confesses through projection again
lol
What the frick are you talking about?
If they had actually been a good storefront and not done shitty practices like exclusivity on an open platform like PC I wouldn't have had a problem with them. GoG has done, and continues, to do well as a competitor, and they never resorted to shitslinging like Timmy did or scalping developers to get customers on his store via timed exclusives. If it had been an actual quality program and product people would have taken to it and just via word of mouth it would have gained some legitimacy and carved out a little niche for itself.
But nope, it's just a launcher for Fortnite, and it will die with that game. Such a shame, Timmy.
It's truly baffling, like I get throwing money at exclusives and free games is easy but this isn't a binary do x or y, they could have rapidly improved the store while doing all the other bullshit.
It's like the whole store was being coded by 1 or two people while marketing and leadership ate up expenses instead and shot for doing the lowest amount of work and reaping the biggest paycheck they could.
>instead and shot for doing the lowest amount of work and reaping the biggest paycheck they could
That's one of the problems with big corporations, the 'lowest amount of work' is a team of like 100 people that end up being as effective as a team of 10 after you discount all the work spent on bureaucracy. There's a common trap in programming when a project is late to just hire more people, but that actually makes it take even longer to finish
steam leech zigger gone finally
this last week+ was amazing that dev saying how epic was the one actually trying to make a monopoly, 830 people fired + the fired of this guy with extra details about "epic 5.0". Pure beauty. At least it seems the marketing department stays strong.
>HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL - israeli LAYWERS' EYES ONLY
lol trying too hard Greedberg
Given how close they stick to a script or are using old arguments I imagine they are dirt cheap
the fortnite kids... will eventually grow... in 2027 it will be the biggest store in the world...
It's naive and stupid to think kids will care about decade old games at that point. People have huge backlogs on Steam and it becomes more of a chore for them than anything.
They are not gonna be kids in 2027 anon. They will appreciate the free games perfectly made and curated for... windows 11? XII?
Too bad like 90% are on consoles and mobile so probably don't give two shits about PC store
The Fortnite kids have moved on.
to what?
i cant keep up with whats the current thing with zoomers.
Roblox
Pretty sure they're e-dating in Valorant now.
>Fall Guys devs get canned
>EGS director because a fall guy for the stores failure
HOLY
FRICKING
KINO
>Epic only ever signed three contracts with developers to fund and publish their games
>Remedy's was for Alan Wake Remastered/Alan Wake II
>due to the contract Epic needs to recoup the cost first before the developers see any money
>Remedy still hasn't seen any money from Alan Wake Remastered which was released on EGS/Xbox/Playstation
Fricking hell. No wonder Epic came out of nowhere months and introduced that "6 months exclusivity on EGS while you get 100% of the profits" deal. They can't afford to keep moneyhatting exclusives that just don't sell on their store and publishers are not gonna make their games exclusive to EGS unless Epic gives them a safety net of cash upfront.
It's wonderful to see Timmy reaping what he sowed in his autistic crusade.
>Alan Wake Remastered
Wait that's a thing? I didn't even know that happened.
https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/alan-wake-remastered
Epic exclusive baby! Hahaha! Steamboys can only play the old version!
what's the deal with roblox though? my 8yr old niece plays that on her phone
it extracts cash from parents credit cards better than everything else for some ungodly reason
ok but what the frick is the game about though? an interactive sandbox thingy?
It's Garry's Mod with a frickton of monetization
its garrys mod basically.
people can make their own game modes without any programming invovled.
every week or so theres a new game mode that kids love to play.
Not only that it's filled with groomers
You know why the Epic store is so fricking ass? Because it is running on unreal engine. For reals. They are using the unreal engine to render the store pags.
I will never buy from someone that requires me to install another launcher or other DRM. If you are DRM-free like GOG I will buy from you. It's literally that simple.
>paypig games
not even once
I still dont understand this metaverse shit
Does epic really think the zoomzooms playing fortnite will lean into it instead of just thinking that their funny shoot game with thanos ans kratos has silly custom games?
yes. making a new game is hard so epic's thinking is that they can find a way to milk fortnite forever instead of trying to make new games
>Valve has released two games in the past 3.5 years (yes Counter-Strike 2 is a new game)
>Epic hasn't released a new game in nearly 7 years
my my my how the turns have tabled
securom, starfoce... now I remember gfwl. And, of course, all the problems I had trying to run gears of war because date problems or some win shit like that
christ GFWL was so frickin bad
>tfw lost planet 1&2 have been some of the best coop games i ever played
>getting hatemail on dark souls prepare to die edition was fantastic.
yeah at the time it was shit but you only really miss things once you realize what you have lost.
>having nostalgia for fricking GFWL
unironically get help
If the EGS made any effort to be a better launcher then steam maybe I would have bought more games on it but it has like 5% of the features steam has and its sales are less frequent and not as good
Epic unironically got TOO wienerY with the Fortnite money.
Failed to apply the lessons of past examples of successful newcomers who "ate the market" of the old guys.
https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/06/03/strategy-letter-iii-let-me-go-back/
Translating the article's example of Lotus123 vs Excel example:
>1. They have to know about EGS and know that it’s better
Solution: Make EGS have more features than Steam.
Epic is already stuck on barrier 1. EGS doesn't have feature parity with Steam yet.
>2. They have to buy games on EGS
Solution: Offer free games.
EGS is currently doing this, but it isn't working well because they got ahead of themselves and tried to solve barrier 2 before they solved barrier 1.
>3. They have to convert their existing games and Steam community items from Steam to EGS
Solution: Allow users to connect their Steam account to EGS and automatically unlock all games they have on Steam on EGS
EGS can't do that because they don't have access to all those games and don't have all those Steam community inventory features, and getting access to those games and creating EGS equivalent Steam community inventory is going to be expensive.
>4. They have to learn a new user interface
Solution: Allow EGS to have a "Steam" option that makes the UI almost exactly the same as Steam
EGS can't do that because they don't have feature parity.
And now, the key "tipping point" barrier that EGS would need to implement to have an Excel 4.0 eating Lotus123's share moment and eat Steam's market share
>5. Once on EGS they are stuck on EGS
Solution: Allow users to connect their Steam account to EGS and automatically unlock all games they have on EGS on Steam
That's going to be VERY fricking expensive and very fricking risky, because Valve obviously isn't going to play ball with that, so Epic would essentially have to buy the game on Steam for you every time you did this, essentially feeding their competitor. This can also get very costly when Epic has been giving out free games to address barrier 2.
>https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/06/03/strategy-letter-iii-let-me-go-back/
>If your product is better in some way, you actually have a pretty good chance of getting people to switch.
Jesus anon... don't show that article to timmy unless you want him to get a heart attack
aaah i remember all of Tim shills here
guess they didnt got paid enough
it's been a very long time since i've seen one
Epic fought against Steam using free games but they didn't understand one thing.
Steam was designed and honed throughout the decade to SPECIFICALLY fight against free games. You know why? Because Steam was at the frontlines of trying to fight video game piracy across the world. They had to compete with what was essentially the holy grail of free games and they practically won.
Free games was never the answer because Steam was built to handle that.
Service issue. Simple as.
Netflix fought it, they lost
>they lost
Only because everyone using Netflix took back the rights and started their own streaming services, leaving netflix high and dry and forcing them to make their own shitty shows nobody watches. Once all the networks started their own streaming services shit hit the fan for them all and piracy exploded again.
They had the Babel tower dismantled, now no one is getting anything
>Once all the networks started their own streaming services shit hit the fan for them all and piracy exploded again.
The judaism that REALLY gets me are the networks who split off their own programming across MULTIPLE streaming services.
Never thought about that, good point. It seems like the only way to beat steam it to outright but it.
By the way, is it still impossible to write a review on EGS? I don't even have an account there.
From memory, they said it was going to need the devs to opt in. So if they release bullshit, they can just "forget" to turn on reviews.
Y'know, because "muh review bombs".
someone gets it
people pay for convenience
platforms are meant to be a value-add
that actualy makes a lot of sense
Actually true. Video game piracy was rampant (well all piracy was rampant in the 2000s) and steam won out. The same is true of Netflix, which triumphed in the age of torrenting while the MPAA et.al. were b***hing and moaning about piracy. The internet distribution pioneers proved that it really was just plain greed, complacency, and a lack of vision holding back the entertainment industry.
The media companies eventually managed to catch up to Netflix, but nobody's been able to muscle into Valve's turf, despite numerous attempts from big players to do so.
>but nobody's been able to muscle into Valve's turf, despite numerous attempts from big players to do so.
it's largely because the other players in the streaming space have enough good content to motivate people to pay another $10-20 on their service too. Companies like EA and Ubisoft have let their production quality decline for too long so nobody really gives a shit about their platforms. It's funny to think that by chasing money rushing games, delivering minimum viable products and tacking on microtransactions wherever they could they might have lost out on even more money down the line by losing the platform war to Valve
>it's largely because the other players in the streaming space have enough good content to motivate people to pay another $10-20 on their service too
No, I think it's because of the way the content was distributed. It's not like games, which are downloaded by players and continue to work once downloaded. TV shows and movies are only available on the platform and access can be revoked once the deal between the platform and content owner ends.
They didn't need to develop new content to compete with Netflix, they simply needed to wait for the existing deal to expire then refuse to renew it, taking back all the streaming rights for themselves. Which is what they did. Netflix was screwed by this and still hasn't recovered, but their leaders were far-sighted enough to realize it was coming and that's why they dumped billions into developing original programming. Programming that couldn't be taken from them. They had to do this because eventually all the classic shows and movies they got tons of subscribers for would be gone.
The hilarious thing to me, though, is how nearly everybody else in the streaming biz mindlessly copied Netflix like a bunch of lemmings. They didn't need to. They already had the content. Disney is the single biggest offender. Disney has the single biggest content library of any media corporation, with tons of hit series. They didn't need to create a single thing for Disney+, they could've just coasted off existing IPs for years, maybe one new show or movie exclusive to D+ per year. They'd have been fine. The cost of running D+ would've been negligible. But instead they dump even more money than Netflix into developing new content... for no fricking reason. And now D+ is so unprofitable Disney is considering abandoning it.
It's fricking unreal how stupid they are.
You're right that the business models are different when it comes to renewing streaming rights, but I think my point still stands.
If EA and Ubisoft were putting out multiple good games a year people would be using their platforms. But for awhile now all they've been putting out is trash or mediocre. They've failed to deliver on fan favorite series that don't even take that much innovation, and have failed to innovate elsewhere. They have the funds and manpower, but for whatever reason they can't deliver games that interest people to the degree that they used to.
Brain drain due to the legacy of ea's own hiring practices. Instead they get incompetent or politically motivated people.
I think that's part of it, yeah. But in theory I think they could still put out decent games with the right management, but they don't seem to possess that either. Or they have competent management, but the incentive is all about how many microtransaction features your game has, not what makes your game stand out to consumers.
>it's largely because the other players in the streaming space have enough good content to motivate people to pay another $10-20 on their service too.
This. If you don't like netflix original shit it's absolute trash compared to its competitors & has been for a long time.
Netflix just added Band of Brothers so it is currently the best streaming service
I thought Band of Brothers was HBO joint? Didn't they have their HBO Max or whatever?
I dunno what the frick is going on with Max
They are determined to suck ass. That's all I know.
For a month, then it goes right back to being shit meanwhile the selection on basically every other service is loaded with good shit 24/7.
TV and movies distribution is one thing, game distribution is a whole another beast, at least that's what I've seen. Video games with their different formatting: online, offline, multiplayer, single player, indie, AA or AAA, Mtx or no, different scale of pricing in each publishers, tons of variables have to be calculated in order to work those elements out let alone getting it working 24/7 to retain customers. Shit's hard man.
This pretty much. Each game has its own dedicated store page plus a section for reviews, user guides, forum, and mods all built into the client. Throw in massive discounts every other month or so and Valve made it more worthwhile to purchase a game on Steam than to pirate it.
Someone finally gets it.
>Valve will make it so you can't use w7 on Steam
>Epic is like the only store that allowed it
>pajeets make like 10 anti-epic threads on Ganker per day
SIRS PLEASE STOP USING EPIC STORE PLEASE USE NEEDFUL STEAM!
>Pajeets
>anti-epic
pick one
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam
Only 0.06% of Steam users still use Windows 7. There are literally more Apple gays than Windows 7 users.
this is what internet does, gives voice to a vocal minority
more people use fricking meme penguin than windows 7 at this point
>pajeets
>anti-epic
lol we literally have evidence of indian shills on the epic payroll, who are you fooling?
Majority of us don't even have pc capable enough to run 2007 games , i myself use both epic and steam just because epic has free gaymes , while steam let's me use my controller without any issue
They gave away free games and people largely used the platform as “dude free shit”. They didn’t offer anything competitive with steam outside of that.
Clueless millennial here: what the frick do zoomers do in Roblox?
sissy erp
getting groomed. I bet Roblox is one of the biggest catalysts of modern CP getting spread across the internet
Finally KH will be free when EGS goes under
It's free now, anon.
>SE will still have the gall of putting a $60 tag
>the store mostly used by Pablo and Rajesh doesn't make money
does EGS even have user reviews or individual game forums/community pages like steam? How did they expect to create "user retention" when there is literally no other reason to use their platform aside from playing exclusives and getting free games? What exactly are users supposed to spend time on on epic?
EGS is like a giant warehouse with games, while Steam is a shopping mall. EGS has games, but that's literally it. Steam has games, community forums, reviews, mod pages & user created content. One of those is just there to serve free games, while the other is there to serve as an actual platform.
>does EGS even have user reviews or individual game forums/community pages like steam
It's literally a selling point for their "pro-publisher/dev strategy" to gather support by devs.
egs has the most dogshit rating system out there
and theyre not even useless theyre worse than that because they can fool people into thinking that a broken game is fine
Those devs are moronic though
>hey, let's ignore all user feedback! That's how we'll really draw in the crowds!
yup, and look how it's backfired. all the choices epic made came after terms like "review bomb" were created. they want to control the narrative for all games but then offer no social features at all, they even removed the launcher chat.
Speaking of Epic: despite how much we whine about Unreal Engine, there are very few new home console / desktop releases in 2023 that use Unreal Engine and have sold well. In fact I can't even name one. I know that UE essentially doesn't make Epic any money since we've all seen the financial reports, so how long until they can the development or give it a hefty price tag?
there are plenty of Unreal Engine games that did pretty well this year
Surprising exactly nobody.
i remember EGS shills arguing that not having a fraction of the options, services, stability and perks that steam has was because it was new
i can make a car analogy but i ain't got no more time for this sheeeeeeeit
As the streaming wars has proven, competition for the sake of competition isn't always a good thing.
For me the most pointlessly bizarre thing about EGS is that you can't manage your account within the application itself despite the account being FOR the application. Instead it opens up a web page in a new browser instance.
This was obvious from the start. Timmy outright said that the store's priority was making things good for publishers, and not consumers. Everything spiraled down the drain from there, because unless you have literally infinite money, you can't survive not giving a frick about the people who're supposed to be making your platform grow. The only thing you even can do is keep throwing money. Ergo, if it's a finite resource for you, it's not sustainable.
EGS' priorities were extremely fricked up and unworkable, and the result is as you see. Imagine if a furniture store chain went "lol we don't give a shit about our customers! All we care about is making things nice for Serta and Herman Miller! Consumers can get fricked!" That's essentially what Timmy did for vidya.
>Everything spiraled down the drain from there, because unless you have literally infinite money, you can't survive not giving a frick about the people who're supposed to be making your platform grow.
it's funny because EGS might be an example of how going public would lead to better outcomes for its users, at least initially.
Instead of trying to be the better service and offering more and better features they just tried to buy their to success with exclusives instead of doing the work to find talent and come up with good ideas.
They could've tried better community integration in the rest of the platform, because steams is so out of the way and fragmented no one really uses chat rooms or the community feed. They could've made a community hub for games that image board style, sortable by popularity or newest posts, which would've been popular. Steam only offers the discussion forum which is too archaic and slow. Then there's the artwork/ screenshot section that's separate, but is underutilized and is often static with just the same shit at the top for years. They could've promoted modding, steams workshop ui and search functions are absolute trash for games with lots of mods.
They just didn't try to look at what they could do better and be the better product.
>spend trillions on exclusives
>can't afford a few thousands to get a cart and some basic features
I don't get it
Good, now erase that stuttering generic cancer known as unreal engine from the face of the earth and I might be impressed.
Bros, I invested $10k in epic games at a 50% discount to the last $32B valuation. How fuggged am I
Epic is not a publicly traded company so I think you'll be fine
No shit moron. I bought private secondaries
I bought shares because and only because unreal engine. Their demo day had me sold. I hope the corpo morons don’t frick it up
They make unbelievably bad royalties on UE. For whatever reason they're fricking incapable of using market dominance as leverage; if you remember that period nearly a decade ago where publishers like EA made a show of expanding their use of internal engines for like a year or so, that was a threat against Epic and they've kind of never dared to broach the possibility again.
is 5% really bad? it's more than Unity at least
because they've never had market dominance. Most indie devs use Unity. Most top-level AAA developers use proprietary engines for the majority of their big titles. Unreal is primarily used for midbudget games.
Epic isn't going anywhere, at the very least it has fortnite and Unreal
Unreal is only going to grow in popularity because Unity is falling behind in features, and Unreal sees use in other industries like films
Unreal and Unity never really had much overlap in market
True, but people working with Unity are being forced to review their decision, you never know when they'll try backstabbing their customers again.
I've been seeing more and more Unity devs lament the companies direction even before the recent controversy while talking up Unreal
no one really wanted to buy into epic games services even if games were "exclusive" on them
they probably should have had more promotions into fortnight when you buy a new game
i remember back in the day i'd buy some games just because you could get a hat in tf2 for them
that sergei dude worked on steam spy? and he used that information to aid timmy, good riddance homie
Maybe this time they will focus on the consumer and not the devs/publishers.
you guys remember when Timmy called PC gamers a bunch of thieves during the 360 era?
I've barely touched my redeemed EGS games
FRICK FRICK FRICK FRICK
so should we expect the free games to stop?
SO WE WON?
>we will not make game forums because they are toxic
crazy how there are people on this site that installed EGS
but then again there are people who play games from EA
it's just more convenient to run unreal from EGS than compiling from a repo
How did you all not see this coming when Timmy spent MILLIONS of dollars to have a custom metaverse focused functional programming language developed for unreal.
It's impressive how out of touch Timmy is with developers
>free game on EGS
basically a guilt-free green light to download it for free elsewhere
((they)) HATE steam because they arent on the stock market
they cant become a majority shareholder and then force steam to hire 90% tr00ns and run them into the ground for profit
thats the entire counter-argument for steam
ignore their impotent flailings and continue to fund gabe
Honestly at this point it's the chinks seething because tencent has their fingers in everyone's pie right now.
>its the chinks
no
stop trying to deflect
im not an idiot, and i can tell how a chink types compared to how ((you)) type, homosexual
I'm not saying it can't be the israelites but in the industry right now tencent is trying to get their grubby little hands on everything.
I still haven't seen any proof that steam is a monopoly in the 4-5 years this claim keeps getting trotted out.
only thing Tim Weeney could do right now is pray Gaben dies sooner and Steam goes public and becomes shit. I do wonder which will happen first? Gaben dies and Steam goes public or Tim Weeney forcing to declare Chapter 11 Bankruptcy
Epic probably won't go bankrupt for a long time. EGS will probably just shut down long before that
>treating literal children and zoomers like Shareholders
man where did timmy go wrong we may never find out thank god Fortnite 4 will inevitably trend and fix all this temporarily
uh oh, Tencent™ is not gonna be happy!
I just built a new PC after being on Windows 7 since 2009
WHEN THE FRICK DID WINDOWS BECOME SO EASY TO PIRATE
I honestly don't remember a point in time when Windows wasn't easy to pirate
Vista was such a motherfricker!
Then again, in the end you'd be getting Vista anyway. Shitsux'd hard.
Well yeah, but Halo 2 was exclusive for Vista and it had "fukken deadly cheevos" as I was all into that at the time
all they had to do was make a good fricking client and people would've been so much more likely to stick around, and no matter how much people complained the client fricking sucked dick they just continued to leave it as a dogshit cumbersome experience that nobody fricking enjoyed. why did it take so fricking long to add a god damned shopping cart? why is uninstalling and reinstalling the simplest way to move files if you want to change drives? I have slow fricking rural internet IT WILL LITERALLY TAKE A WEEK TO REINSTALL MY ENTIRE LIBRARY IF I HAVE TO REDOWNLOAD IT AFTER UPGRADING FROM A HDD TO AN NVME
I only ever claimed two free games from EGS and the experience of using the client made me say no thanks to all the future freebies. frick that piece of shit, may it burn in hell.
So the EGS will now be called the Fortnite Launcher?
How does Epic make something like The Matrix Awakens demo, but they can't make a nice UI for their online store?
Really feel like those are just entirely separate disciplines
Whos even helming the egs now at this point? What the frick are they already in maintenance mode?
What happens if Alan Woke 2 flops? Are they going to scrap their publishing branch too?
does this mean FF7 rebirth will come straight to steam with no epic exclusivity?
it was always going to, SE stopped doing Epic exclusivity a while ago
>their last games that got Epic'd were Stranger of Paradise and NEO TWEWY, two of their most eclectic games in recent years
>and of course it's been well discussed just how fricking horribly SE treated NEO in general, with the final dagger in its heart being that its Steam release was shadowdropped on the night before Persona 5 Royal's PC port came out
What the frick is Nomura's problem? Besides autism?
he was too honorabu for his own good
Is this one of the largest and longest gayming boycotts that actually worked?
Granted, Epic made it really easy by being absolute dogshit but still. It feels like the "NO STEAM NO BUY" crowd actually won.
It probably isn't a boycott at this point, it's just become the norm due to the platform not offering any reason to use it over steam.
>Abject Failure
dat u tho..
like if you were a dark souls boss your name would be Abject Failure.
Since the Epic store is dead and lost to Steam
Hows their chances squaring up against Roblox?
Depends if their Fortnite kids audience are willing to stick around.
frick epic. and frick their paid exclusivity shit. never bought anything there or installed their shit client, never will
if they're giving away the game i might as well pirate it right ?
i never installed their shitty store and i never will
I don't think you can beat Steam on their own turf. People are fine with one integrated gaming platform on their PCs, but 2, 3, 4? That's just getting annyoing.
GOG and Itch while small are trucking along jut fine because they're offering something Steam doesn't: Simple online stores you don't need to install some fricking huge-ass launcher for that needs to run to even play the games.
The only way I could see any of these companies that made their own stores beat Steam on that turf is them banding together and making some open, decentralized gaming platform. Imagine, EA, Bethesda, Epic etc games all accessible via the same account system, all sharing the same achievement system and multiplayer system etc. Oh and that platform would of course need at least feature parity with Steam.
But they wouldn't do that because they're all greedy israelites that want the entire cake instead of just a slice. More cake for Valve I guess.
>But they wouldn't do that because they're all greedy israelites that want the entire cake instead of just a slice.
I mean yeah, thats the entire reason EA Origin, and Uplay even exist and they both made tried to not put games on steam.
GOG already did that with GOG Galaxy
Why should I use Epic over Steam? Throwing free video games that came out years ago, isn't a good enough reason. I thought Epic making their own video game store meant we'd start seeing cheaper video games?
i use epic games since it has no social media component like steam. also some games like dishonored 1 are drm free meaning you dont need to load the launcher
You can just ignore the social components of steam. I've been doing just that in the last 10 years.
the playerbase are mostly stalkers due to the social media aspects
so? Are you some kind of loser that plays multiplayer games?
>edit profile
>private everything
You're welcome.
i wish it was like 2007 and you could have your dms open and get hatemail on your psn or xbox messages its funny
EGS always felt like Sweeney trying to frick with Gaben, not like an actual game store
Hes been seething and malding about Gabe proving him wrong since 2008
damn what a homosexual
Good. The faster they burn the better. Timmy Tencent and his shitfrick of a store earned my unending HATE for bringing contract exclusivity to PC games when it for all intents and purposes didn't exist on the platform. This atop their thousands of other shitty decisions
>Open contempt for the player, plan to suck up to publishers and figure the good goy gamers will go where ever the publishers direct them
>Horrid feature set on EGS itself at launch and afterward.
>Performative b***hing about Steam at every opportunity, actively hating Linux simply because Steam supports it.
>Fortnite homosexualry is its own issue, but massive temper tantrums at both iOS/Android that he couldn't use their app stores and get all the benefit of their free advertising while not abiding by the rules that you can't sidestep giving them their payment cut. When smacked by the court, eventually tried to tell kids to manually sideload Fortnite for Android and promised to give them extra fortnitebux and it still went to shit.
>Another whine about Steam's totally reasonable cut of the profits and infrastructure which literally everyone else had the same or more for years, but just sour because people actually used Steam.
>Tencent homosexualry with a significant if not controlling interest.
>Spent time on EGS and Easy Anti Cheat, both cancerous instead of Unreal Engine etc.
Epic could have been beloved by putting all their time and effort into developing Unreal Engine and supporting it, as well as games like Fortnite on every platform people actually wanted to use, like Steam - if not for Tim's complete head up ass hatred of Steam and other stupid viewpoints. Instead we got another incompatible platform and bribery to publishers for exclusivity which is just massive cancerous. Frick Epic and Sweeney for every single bad decision that weakened gaming because of his greed.
Eight fricking years. What did this slimeball say back in 2015-2017 about Valve?
Because that was 100% him planting the seeds to smear the shit out of the company when they pulled the trigger.
RIP Alan Wake 2. Stuck on this piece of shit forever.
Man I did want to laugh at timmy when he inevitably failed, but seeing him try to pivot to some metaverse web 3.0 meets roblox type shit feels a bit mean to make fun of.
Gaben won.
>firing the guy who literally spearheaded and built the EGS
What does it mean, Ganker?
Sirgay was apparently not on board with Epic's Metaverse aspirations
Maybe harvesting a bunch of data and literally not knowing what to do with it isn't really a great plan.
It's so stupid it must be the work of a true genius!
>Epic scaling down because they're wasting too much money
>EGS is one of their biggest moneysinks
Hmmmmm........ i wonder why the head of EGS is "stepping down"?
hmm it's almost like when you fricked PC gamers for years while the Xbawks 360 was popular they won't go back to trust you. What a fricking shock.
In reality, EGS just wanted to usurp Steam and become them. No one involved ever gave a shit about offering a better service or stopping a "monopoly".
>lure people to your barely functional store with free games
>do nothing to incentivize them to stick around and spend money
>massively overpay for mostly shit exclusives that no one buys because they'll be on steam in six months anyway or they just pirate it
>exclusivity deal results in devs getting paid twice while Tim gets paid never
I could have told him this plan had holes.
Remember when people would go on and on about "Steam drones" on this board just a few years back? What happened to them? Did funding run dry?
The astroturfing back in 2019 was fricking insane. I still remember how much of a clusterfrick it was.
Daily Epic threads. Daily Steam bad threads. Every other day a journo or twittertard would make an article about Steam. Every other week some "high profile" dev or person in the industry wpuld speak out against big bad Valve. Endless hitpieces. 30% cut screeching.
epic might have actually semisucceeded if the coof didnt happe
The "shitty indieslop dev pulls his game from steam and throws a tantrum about how 'evil' steam is" events will never not be funny though
>constant repetition of competition is good like it's a religious mantra
>to this day still not able to come up with a single tangible reason epic's style of competition is good for consumers when pressed
its incredible how valve practically kept silent and never once mentioned epic even once throughout that entire campaign
like they made ZERO comments on the entire thing which is astounding to me
Their cubicle farm probably featured in a Jim Browning video and got raided by the Deli police.
To the surprise of absolutely nobody
More like epic GAY store hahahahaha