Why did European and American Sega fans betray Sega when the Saturn came out? Had they not betrayed Sega they would still make consoles but thanks to Europeans and Americans that will never happen.
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EU and USA betrayed Sega
>company only known in the home console market because of Sonic
>next console has no Sonic
>it flopped hard
How could this have been prevented?
>Why did European and American Sega fans betray Sega when the Saturn came out?
No big Sonic game.
Saturn wasn't uncommon in the UK but, SoA tards genuinely frick the system in the ass by 1997
Didn't Saturn actually lead Playstation in Japan until FF7 was released? Or so some have claimed.
It was true. Saturn initially lead sales despite the slow start software wise. Sega quickly got a really high quality, near "arcade perfect" as you could get port of Virtua Fighter 2 out on the Saturn while that game was doing phenomenally well in Japanese arcades along with a lot of superior versions of arcade games. Meanwhile the PS1's software line up in Japan was lacking a lot at launch and it had a rough first few years in Japan with poor arcade ports and not a lot of original games despite the support from big publishers and developers. The momentum shifted nearly overnight when FF7 released and Sony quickly overtook the market with the momentum from FF7 leading into other big hits in Japan like Tekken 3, Gran Turismo, Metal Gear Solid and Resident Evil 2 hitting quickly in succession making the console a must have. It genuinely floored Sega how quickly they lost Japan.
Resident Evil 2. If Capcom could have gone into the effort to program a Saturn version it would have helped a lot. But alas it did not but it also spawned the vernonica games since they were meant to be spin offs for the Saturn only before they moved to the Dreamcast.
Re2 was announced for Saturn
That trailer has actual transparency. So wouldn't be surprised if they were playing a modified PS1 version and claiming it was Saturn. Anyway here is something from the wikia.
Following the success of Resident Evil, Capcom began work on a sequel with the PlayStation in mind. A Saturn conversion (complete with extras)[1] was announced during the game's development, with plans for it to be released after the PlayStation game (in early 1997, Bernie Stolar suggested it would arrive just a week later[2]). The Saturn version was scrapped due to difficulties working with the hardware - developers Nextech would instead be reassigned to work on Resident Evil: Code Veronica for the Sega Dreamcast[3] (which was at one point due to be a launch title for the system in November 1998).
I wonder if it was canceled at what we today call RE1.5 stage or when the game took the shape of what we today know as RE2.
They wanted cinematic games so they tended towards the ps1.
>That trailer has actual transparency.
Composite video = meshes become transparent
I was right. There's no footage of Saturn version.
"No Saturn game footage or screenshots were ever released - while the Saturn version was hinted at in trailers, it was always the PlayStation game on display. "
Blame Sega for RE2 not being on the Saturn because the RE2 dev team killed the Saturn version when Sega stood firm on their stance they weren't going to officially release the 4MB RAM expansion outside of Japan while the RE2 Saturn team wanted the RAM Cart as mandatory. Capcom sided with the dev team as the development of RE2 was rocky enough as it was without having the extra stress of a Saturn version developed without the benefits of that RAM cart. It would have thrown the project into more chaos.
Sega really were their own worst enemy. Especially because their rationale for not releasing the RAM Cart outside Japan was they felt people would equate it to the 32X so they played it conservative and decided not to release the cart outside of Japan even though developers and publishers wanted it outside of Japan. Meanwhile Nintendo developed the Expansion Pak and it became a top selling accessory for the N64 even before the big Donkey Kong 64 bump so the reality was, the Saturn expansion likely would have sold and Sega would have seen a lot more late game support for the Saturn instead of rushing the Dreamcast to market.
They could have just bundled it with some CAPCOM Vs fighter released before RE2
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And bundle it with RE2 as well. But yeah SOJ were morons.
It was one of the rare cases where SOJ and SOA bungled it because SOA agreed it would be seen like the 32X and didn't want customers to be thinking it's the 32X all over again.
X-Men Vs Street Fighter was big enough that it got a bump in Saturn sales and sold a lot of copies in Japan. That it never came to the west was considered a staggering misstep because the game was getting incredible press with glowing import reviews in the west claiming the RAM Cart was worth it just for that one game. It was considered a colossal missed opportunity by Sega.
Dead or Alive not getting a western release was also moronic.
That was because of Acclaim's frickery and releasing a Saturn exclusive game in late 1997 after Stolar's quote also sucked.. Not because of SOJ.
Good lawd ceefax takes me back. Great stuff.
Thanks to its failure in the west, the Saturn is the last bastion for people who actually give a shit about video games. Since EOPs can't play 75% of the library, you know you've met a real homie when they're a big Saturn fan.
They did have better taste in games.
People really loved their fifas didn't they?
BTW are these even taken in the same year? Saturn and PS1 have Fifa 96 but N64 has Fifa 64 which is an N64 version of Fifa 97.
>you know you've met a troony when they're a big Saturn fan.
Fixed for you. Most of those Japan only """hidden gems""" aren't even games.
Sakura Columms is the best Columms game I have ever played.
>the best Columms game I have ever played
Columns sucks.
True normal Columms sucks. But not Sakura Columms. It's actually fun.
sonic?
I guess Sonic jam and 3d weren't enough.
Sega betrayed their fans by making a lowest common denominator otaku pandering piece of shit called the Shiturn. Luckily they came to their senses with the Dreamcast
And you still betrayed Sega with the Dreamcast.
It was all the work of S.H.O.C.K.E.R.!
It was more like SoA went in spat everyone who had bought a Saturn in the face .
The entire line up scheduled for mid-Late 1997-1998 was cancelled.
Bad marketing, incompetent management, pissing off 3rd party devs. I still got a Saturn for Christmas and a Dreamcast when they announced the pull out.
Saturn and Dreamcast were worse than the PS1 and PS2 respectively. Why would you want inferior hardware?
Because the games have more sovl
Didn't Sega of Japan purposely sabotage other country games? Like there was in-fighting nonstop when it came to Sonic back in the 90s
What benefit would there be from Sega remaining in the console games? More exclusives trapped on shitty consoles until technology progresses far enough to emulate them? I'd sure love to be forced to buy Sega Mars in order to be able to play the newest Yakuza game.
Frick pcBlack folk. Not everything is about you normalgays
It's honestly a tragedy that the N64 outsold the Saturn anywhere. Only Japs got it right
Is that Hiroshi Fujioka?
yeah
Probably because 70% of Saturn's game catalog was japanese-only.
Europoor here. I had two Master Systems and a Game Gear as a kid, loved them more than my NES and didn't have a GB until the GBC. I was the only kid with Sega consoles. Honestly I don't remember even knowing the Saturn existed until like 10 years later. Was it even sold here at all? The Dreamcast was and I wanted one but never got it. I noticed that Japanese retro gamers love the Saturn for some reason and I don't know why.
What Europoor country? Certainly not the UK since there most people were Sega kids until the Saturn. And yes Saturn was sold in basically all European and American regions and you are not the only one who learned of it after it was discontinued.
Now why do Japs love it? Well for one it was the second most popular console for that gen after PS1. So people actually played it a lot and heck it even at one point was leading the Japanese market until early 1997 thanks to FF7.
Because Sega of Japan finally got a modicum of success in their home country and decided to focus on that and took the loyalty of Western Markets for granted.
The saturn had a god damn watch battery as the default save storage system, OP, come on.
It was a fricking mess.
At least you had a fricking save system out of the box unlike the ps1. How many ps1 owners had to leave their consoles on for days due to them not having a memory card?
Btw thanks for reminding me to migrate all my saves to my save card. So I can finally change that battery before it loses all of it's charge.
So incompetence vs israeliness, right.
I mean N64 games also used a clock battery to store the saves.
But yeah. You had an option of a a limited capacity saving system that will run out of juice in 1-4 years (it drains faster if you leave the Saturn unplugged). And if you want a better more stable form of data saving you buy a save cart.
On the other hand with ps1 you had no save method out of the box. You were screwed. Want to play FF7? Well be prepared to leave your console on for weeks if not more. Or you can just spend about 20 bucks. (about 37.85 today). Or hope that the 10 buck shady 3rd party one works well.
>Or you can just spend about 20 bucks.
Not a problem when your console is $100 cheaper than the competitors'.
You think that good Saturn system is moronic. Well here is the real moronic one.
Sega CD also used a clock battery for saves. But unlike Saturn that used a standard clock battery you can swap out by just taking off the backplate Sega CD used an absolute moronic system.
Sega CD has the clock battery soldered to the board and it's a pain in the ass to replace once it goes out.
The 90s were still when physical shelf space was still king, and Sega fricked themselves over by making a gorillion expansions and accessories for the Genesis to prolong its life span, and then releasing the Saturn early on top of that. The former resulted in them just competing against themselves because stores just had a single space reserved for Sega and didn't expand it for all the shit Sega was pumping out, and the latter pissed off all the retailers who didn't get the early launch, most of which refused to stock the Saturn after that.
They basically shot themselves in the balls before the console was even properly launched in the first place, and all Sony needed to do was walk up on stage and say "$299" to blow the frick out of the Saturn and win that generation before it started.
idk i was 3 at the time
Eggman wins~
>Sega goes full moron
>They flop
How could this have happened!?
The big problem with the Saturn is the western side shat it out the door early, complete with a worse controller. The killing blow is any of the good games it did have never released outside Japan either.