Every “realistic” HEMA game is fricking awful. It’s just whacking each other with pool noodles and hoping the other dies.
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HEMA ballz
not a single game has done medieval combat properly
in almost every game you're slashing people in full plate with swords and it somehow hurts them, when in reality it would just bounce off
Real combat would be boring af.
tackling people to the ground and stabbing them with a dagger sounds kino tho
It would play like bamham and you know it lol
And that's a good thing.
Hellish Quart is a fine duelling sim.
>realistically it would just bounce
I mean, not entirely. Western swords were designed for heft as much as cutting potential it's the primary difference from Euro weapons and Asian ones. But yes, there's no wrassling. That said wrassling on an open field would be a one way trip to getting knifed yourself so ganging up on a kBlack person and bonking him until he fatigues out is better than wrassling him.
In that sense dominions has the most realistic micro-scale combat simulation. On the macro scale Field of Glory is most realistic with morale being hyper important and clashes being prolonged and usually low attrition.
Only game I know of that did sword v plate armor properly was Sekiro
Granted it's a Katana but I doubt a European sword be much different
you need at least some "gamey" stuff or the combat would be clunky and boring. imagine if mordhau was like that then everyone would only use the meta
i bet everything was cringe and awkward too
Because it's pretty much impossible without some elaborate VR setup
>not a single game has done medieval combat properly
No one actually knows how they fought back then. HEMA is a larp.
>>No one actually knows how they fought back then.
Well, we do at least know how they duelled.
Was it like gun dueling? where most of the time they purposely miss so they both "proved their courage and restored their honor" without the medical emergency part?
Are you moronic? They had to ban duels in later eras because bored nobles were killing each other constantly over stupid shit.
>bored nobles were killing each other constantly over stupid shit
Based
You are an idiot if you think if people died in dueld everytime, but yeah. They were so many, they had to ban it because killings were high
Well, the manual (complete name "Flos duellatorum in armis, sine armis, equester et pedester" trad. Duels in arms, without arms, equestrian and pedestrian) generally talks about combat techniques (in detail : by hand, by dagger, by sword, by stick and dagger, by spear on foot, armoured with sword, armoured with battle axe, on horse with spear, on horse with sword, on horse by hand, on foot with spear against armoured on horses, and dagger against sword) but also duels, though I don't remember exactly at this moment what the dueling code entailed and expected...
We also know, kinda, how they won.
You won't see any training manuals or treaties of destroyed civilizations because they ate shit and died.
Nowadays in the internet age everything is saved. but back then it was different and we're missing a huge amount of losers mindsets.
Yeah it won't be useful, but it would be interesting.
Vermintide 2 unironically does armour pretty well because trying to swing at a fully armoured stormvermin or chaos warrior with a sword will only cause your weapon to be deflected and open you up to get gangraped, you generally have to use slow, heavy strikes directly to the head to actually damage them
That said it only works for the enemies, armour on you is purely visual and does nothing
>Vermintide 2 unironically does armour pretty well
homie, maces bounce off of armour like a rubber hammer, what?
It's chaos armour bro
More proof that realism is garbage and has no place in video games
Kingdom cum deliverance tho
HEMAhomosexualry wasn't anywhere close to how dueling worked either
>Some basedboy bald bearded homosexual totally knows people were spinning longsword because althually it's the light
Most injuries came from smashing weapons into armor or chain mail hard enough to cause concussion and broken bones.
The irony is that the more you know, the more you realize it goes full circle and Souls games are the only games where movesets are more or less very realistic and accurate. Some manual illustration of fancy fighting to teach basics of weapon handling didn't change 1vs1 dueling boiled down to bonking enemies pretty hard trying to clash and wrestle away his guard, moreso in the midst of formation battle with very limited opportunities for manuvering
>Soulsgay
I'd be inclined to agree if the slashing weapons didn't create giant blood sprays when hitting enemies in plate, and if you could actually wrestle opponents and slip a dagger in the openings of their armor
>if the slashing weapons didn't create giant blood sprays when hitting enemies in plate
does that mean that Demon's Souls Remake is a perfect depiction of medieval warfare instead because it has the spark effect for armor? Dumbass
>and if you could actually wrestle opponents and slip a dagger in the openings of their armor
stagger and riposte exists
>nobody mentioned hellish quart
The exact opposite of what OP is whining about
Basically hema bushido blade, one- or two-hit death, techniques drawn from muh historical texts
>if you could actually wrestle opponents and slip a dagger in the openings of their armor
Ironically Metal Gear Online 2 had this, kind of. You had to CQC throw a guy to the floor, quickswap to your knife, crouch, angle the camera down, go into first person view and stab them on the ground before they could roll away or shoot you
It was awesome, took a bit of skill and felt great to do
In the spiritual successor I've had in my head, recovery times from getting thrown is influenced by your stamina, so a player with high stamina is able to escape faster
You're moronic.
>his source about historical combat: a movie
Correct. Either of those """actors""" would skewer any HErMAphrodite """expert""" you've ever known. kys
>actor's studied choreography is better than hema's studied choreography
yawn
>actors
>the moron keeps digging his own grave
No one tell the brainless shit-eating buffoon.
What aren't we supposed to tell you? That the choreographed shit from a movie is just as bad as the choreographed shit you're trying to dunk on? We already did :3
>we
The voices in the head are not "we", subhuman shit-eating mongoloid. Snap your fricking neck, your opinions on anything related to medieval combat are worthless dogshit since you've already unquestionably outed yourself as a clueless subhuman. Probably a shitskin too, kek.
>subhuman shit-eating mongoloid. Snap your fricking neck
>worthless dogshit
>clueless subhuman.
>Probably a shitskin too,
>kek.
I accept your concession
Kek, the shitskin immediately flew into a frothing impotent rage once outed. It all makes sense since you have to be brown to have negative knowledge of European medieval combat.
says the guy who thinks a couple of larpers in the 1940s were any more accurate than larpers in the 2020s
your opening was garbage already and it went downhill steadily from there
I would rather trust the actors that trained in classical fencing to show me how a swordfight looked like (or something close to it) over a group of internet nerds that think they are expert because they looked up other nerds on the internet.
your source: the butthole
>that medieval grey filter
>horse falls on guy's legs
>just stand up lol
This is such fricking nonsensical horseshit.
That combined with the fricking abomination of a helmet he has is just the cherry on top
Still a better example than the 50's slop.
>hollywood medieval "totally dark ages bro" filter
Yes? It's a film directed by Ridley Scott. What filter is it supposed to have?
Nattural weathers ENB for skyrim.
Colour only evolved during the renaissance bro
>dual
>posts example of flynning
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Flynning
That video is an example of real-life fencing versus what fencers think fencing is like
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What kind of autistic child posts a 50s movie as being demonstrative of actual fighting, let alone medieval combat?
Does your handler know you're using the internet?
KINO OF THE HIGHEST ORDER
but its not realistic at all heres a demonstration of what an actual medieval armour could withstand by german Medieval Autist
>Souls games are the only games where movesets are more or less very realistic and accurate.
lmao
in the souls games your character swings way too slow, loses his balance, hits the ground with his weapon ad makes his attack too obvious.
hitting hard is hitting fast IRL
there's some dudes on YouTube who do Harnischfechten, and most of the times it just ends with these guys in full plate armor wrestling each other to the ground and finishing with a dagger or something once the got the opponent in a hold. It's pure kino.
>Souls games are the only games where movesets are more or less very realistic and accurate
>Souls games are the only games where movesets are more or less very realistic and accurate
I've always wondered about that. In media it's always depicted as two guys covered head to toe in plate and/or mail wielding swords but how the frick can a sword kill an armored man unless you shove it into the eye gaps? Are they using the flat part and just bashing each other to death? Hammers seem like the ultimate weapon regardless of enemy because you can break bones or knock them out if you hit them hard enough on their armor right?
You don't use a sword against someone covered in full plate
You do, actually. It was still one of if not the most commonly used weapon in armored duels. It was used like a long stiletto to hit weak points in the plate. I know that sounds ineffective considering how few weak points renaissance era full plate armor has, but you have to remember how pretty much nothing will reliably penetrate plate with someone actively defending.
Not hammers, poleaxes and if you want a 1h weapon with a shield then you use the pick. Poleaxes will crush a breastplate on a good hit, picks will punch through plate, mace will eat shit and do almost nothing unless you hit the head.
So why did they use maces for hundreds of years if they were standing next to dudes with picks that could just kill dudes through their armor?
>So why did they use maces for hundreds of years
Because people are stupid. You need to hit the head with the mace. If you hit the breastplate it'll do jacks shit: you have no long lever arm like in the case of a pollaxe and no penetration. A pick will punch through 3mm steel on a good strike.
>If you hit the breastplate it'll do jacks shit
Its also very contextual. A big experimented guy with a mace can crush a smaller opponent, doesnt matter how strong the breastplate is. And armor quality could vary, etc
I don't think medieval folk were so stupid they used weapons that didn't work while watching dudes whose weapons do work. If they were that dumb that they couldn't recognize effectiveness they might as well have spent a hundred years hitting each other with dead chickens.
Mace will work if you hit the head, but hitting the head is not easy, because the opponent will try to protect it as much as possible. Pick allows you to have more viable targets and if you want you can bludgeon people with a pick too.
another advantage of the pick is that it creates penetrative injuries which are quite difficult to treat. logistics have always been hell in war, and treating the wounded just makes things worse.
because it became a cavalry weapon once chain stopped being the primary armor due to ease of use and the omnidirectional strike face
i wonder if a pick would work on modern body armor
asking for a friend
>small point of impact of a great force
Could be, depends on how they're protected.
https://youtube.com/shorts/8NArJCFFokA?si=-wqtXVQ9zfxGPHIB
>Not hammers
Yes hammers
>picks will punch through plate
No, they won't. They can pierce mail, or thin brigandines, but plate is too thick and is specifically shaped to cause points to slide away and absorb the energy. Furthermore, even if you did pierce the plate, you run the risk of the pick getting stuck. If you look at hammers, they generally have four short prongs or a "meat tenderizer" sort of shape to them, to ensure they get good purchase on plate and fully deliver the force instead of glancing off. This cause the armor to cave in, or at least flex in and still deliver a powerful bludgeoning blow to the target. The idea that hammers were useless and it was the pick that was the preferred armor buster is BTFO by simply looking at pole axes and seeing that they always combined an axe with a hammer, not a pick.
>that they always combined an axe with a hammer, not a pick.
What's that pointy bit on top of both of your examples?
those are hammers but there poleaxe with spikes+axe
>No, they won't.
Yes, they will. In fact, they will punch through tourney plate which is why I specifically mentioned 3mm steel. You know nothing and your opinions are dogshit. Picks were the absolute best anti-armor one-hander in multiple cultures: both in Western Europe and in Slavlands. In fact, the pick was so good, that slavs consider using one as a badge of honor and had a special decorated place for it on their horses.
lmao
Tell me why actual, historical pollaxes have a hammer instead of a pick on the reverse then.
Tell me why period illustrations, including ones drawn by actual fighters, show them using the hammer head, instead of the pick, then.
Tell me why anyone bothered making maces then.
>Are they using the flat part and just bashing each other to death?
the sword is light and flexible
even without armor you wouldn't seriously hurt anyone by using a sword incorrectly like what you said
You are a stupid Black person that doesn't know a single thing.
Dark Souls moveset? Realistic? Hahahaha, what the frick
American eduction ladies and gentlemen
>Souls games are the only games where movesets are more or less very realistic and accurate
look at the seething samegayging this post generated
You shouldn't be proud about being moronic.
>mentioning souls
Uh oh... this isnt going to go well
>HEMA
I've done this for 2 years and its literally just a huge coreography circlejerk.
You think you learn historical martial arts, or at least train the way they trained back then. But no you don't.
You actually "roleplay" based on some medieval German texts that aren't even complete and most of which is filled in, and - and I'm not making this up - a hollywood swords expert who invented his own swordsplay for a movie, based on what he thought would make "sense".
You're not even allowed to do anything in HEMA that strays from the coreography because all the cucks instantly get mad that you're not being "historically accurate". Your opponent has a big opening and you're in a perfect position to stab without getting hit yourself? Nope, can't stab there, because you're "supposed" to go to his blade anyway. Its in the "text".
More than once our instructor(actually some semi famous guy here in Germany) told me that I'd be dead if I actually took the opportunity I saw, because if he suddenly moved his sword around(translation: be in a completely different position than he's actually in at the moment), he could "double"(mean to strike me as I strike him). Each time I said, "but he hasn't gotten his sword there, he's drawing back, and I have the momentum, its a safe strike, he can't do nothing about" and literally like the NPC meme he just frowned and reminded me.
Its all just larping. I've never been to kendo or whatever the other JAP thing is, but jsut from seeing how they do that , it makes a lot more sense to me after doing HEMA myself. Because they actually utilize openings and strike quickly instead of doing a coreography.
I honestly don't even think HEMA is right. I'm 100% sure that they weren't this cucked in the medieval times and the fillers they added are nonsensical. You're basically supposed to do a coreography without striking at any opening, until your arms go sore. Who's arms go sore first, loses.
>autist historygays are autistic and obsessed with patterns and routine
I'm shocked
I don't know much about HEMA or anything but I've seen videos of people trying to use the weapons strength and weaknesses and mix it with natural types of fighting and it is really fast paced.
One for example was a dude with a zweihander and just spinning it around to create space in a 1vX scenario. I think most people into HEMA or LARPing are in it for the choreography thing you talked about and don't want someone to grapple them and then bonk them on the head with the handle of a broadsword.
>More than once our instructor(actually some semi famous guy here in Germany) told me that I'd be dead if I actually took the opportunity I saw, because if he suddenly moved his sword around(translation: be in a completely different position than he's actually in at the moment), he could "double"(mean to strike me as I strike him).
Then show it. I mean if it's that easy to prove you really didn't have that opportunity, why didn't he show it? Sounds like one of those "oh I could be Diamond tier in ranked in this game if I wanted to, I jsut don't take it seriously enough" people
I mean he did show it. By taking a completely different stance.
That's my point about the moronation of it all. He's taking a difference stance saying "if he did that, you'd be fricked"
YEAH BUT HE DIDNT DO THAT! IN FACT HED NEVER HAVE THE TIME TO DO THAT.
>I've never been to kendo or whatever the other JAP thing is, but jsut from seeing how they do that , it makes a lot more sense to me after doing HEMA myself. Because they actually utilize openings and strike quickly instead of doing a coreography.
I did kendo for about three years before having to quit due to injury.
To get points in kendo you're supposed use the top third of your weapon, the "cutting edge" of your weapon, strike an armored area like the forearms, top of the head, waist or throat, commit to the strike, and be alert for counterattacks afterwards. Where HEMA b***hes about choreography, kendo b***hes about posture. You could smack someone halfway across the arena while the referees stay dead silent because your back wasn't perfectly straight, yet a relatively tiny tap with the right posture is considered a "good" strike even if such a strike would be useless with an actual sword.
Because the weapon's motion is also moronic, the weapon used in kendo is a bundle of bamboo slats (allegedly) doubling for a sword called a shinai, but in kendo it's actually used as a fricking stick. You're not supposed to follow through on a cutting/stabbing motion, you're supposed to immediately whip the sword back up after making a strike, which would defeat the purpose of said cutting motion.
Maybe kenjutsu is what you're looking for. I've seen some videos where actual practical techniques get shown whose main goal is to kill/disarm your opponent as quickly as possible from any angle, though I think that varies per dojo.
The thing is KENDO is a sport, so rules are there just for fairness, amongst other things. You are right about kenjutsu, the most fun I had was free sparring in Iaido. You get to learn what katas actually work, why do they work and why correct form is there for a reason, without the silliness Kendo entails.
Still, I would never dismiss how fast kendokas can get.
I actually know exactly what you’re talking about, it’s fricking infuriating.
My opponent did a very telegraphed slash at me and I just fricking grabbed his arm at the wrist then stabbed him. The supervising instructor had a colossal meltie that I “would get my hand sliced off” if I did that. Black person what, I just beat him.
the correct response to this homosexualry, having seen the same thing in martial arts, is beat the instructor.
>I've done this for 2 years and its literally just a huge coreography circlejerk.
I had this thought during my 2nd or 3rd HEMA lesson when I was practicing with the instructor and he was showing me something with our swords in a bind and all I could think was
>"If this was a real fight I absolutely could have smashed you in the face with my fist right now im physically way stronger than you are"
Kendo and fencing have their problems but HEMA is practically a meme, my condolences anon.
I didnt know that Shadiversity posted here Lmao
Does that fat frick even actually swing a sword or spar in his videos?
No.
The last Ive heard of him actually trying something was the one time he tried joining a HEMA club and made a cope video about how HEMA was holding his potential to become a true master swordsman because they wouldnt let him use the super secret technics he invented (many pointed out that they were actually nothing special and could be found on sidenotes of treatisies) while trainning/sparring with other manchildren because it was disruptive to the classes.
He still has a stick up his butt to this day when it comes to HEMA.
>No
What causes morons to take his opinion seriously when he doesn't even know how to use a sword then?
You answered your own question.
morons
How many of these """historical"""" youtubers even practice swordplay to begin with?
that guy literaly does larp.
he fights with foam swords but the hands and the head are not valid targets
Actually for a time it was quite a point of contention with those channels because of how many of them were like
>I did 1.5 years of HEMA now Im a history expert
Most of those channels failled to break past 10000 views per video and eventually died of or barely even register. Of the relevant ones only Shad, which is the biggest one I think comes to mind as someone who doenst do shit. Everyone else has being doing HEMA or something related for years or decades like Schola Gladiatoria, or at least had the balls to actually start recently and not quit like Lindybeige.
Yay! medieval fuddlore
You've never tried HEMA.
drilling is something you do in every martial art the point is that you can perform a technique from muscle memory
kendokas do katas which is the same thing.
most HEMA clubs do free sparring where you can do whatever you want.
modern soldiers drill too
This > mainstream HEMA
buhurt is fun is but is a different activity, funnily enough if it weren't for the war it would have mutated to become closer to HEMA,
Russians and Ukrainians where pushing for mail armor in the gaps something closer to harnischfechten in HEMA they where reading fiore and shit
>Russians and Ukrainians where pushing for mail armor in the gaps something closer to harnischfechten in HEMA they where reading fiore and shit
Makes sense that this would be the natural progression of modern Bohurt since its ultimate goal is to make the other team quit through pain/exaustion despite all its safety rules
And the guy who got throw was completly splatered on the ground.
you can easily crack skull with a pommel bash.
without gear the pommel hit would have done more damage
And the same can be said for the other guy if that was on a stone street instead of a mat, but the forces involved were much greater on his end.
At worst case scenario it was a double hit
I would called it an afterblow with the first hit going to the basher.
both of them lost in a realistic scenario
>not allowed to use weapons heavy enough to injure
Larping. At this point you could just wear padded gloves and use foam weapons and you'd have the EXACT same experience.
Yeah totally, and like WWE should let the wrestlers perform fatalities.
Yeah they only manual worth studying and training is Flos Duellatorum, but nobody teaches it correctly as the grappling moves result in broken bones and extreme injuries during training. I went to Achille marozzo in my city and it’s the same as your German experience. Bunch of fat out of shape medieval larpers and like three decent fencers, but they get mad and cry when I smash their face with my fist because surprise we have more weapons on our bodies than just swords. I just switched to boxing 3 years ago and have had a better workout and am actually trained for a real fight, though I do have constant headaches, lost a tooth, and can’t sleep well anymore. The price of combat
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This is a fairly good overview of the basic techniques in and out of armour with or without weapons, it is still much slower than would be practiced in a live duel and no joints or long bones are forced or cracked as the manual teaches.
Looks like generic self-defense jujitsu.
I guess it makes sense, all grappling is basically the same.
All the unarmed knife defense stuff is a meme. None of that works. Just run away.
>Flos Duellatorum, but nobody teaches it correctly as the grappling moves result in broken bones and extreme injuries during training
>outside the the sword technique that involve your opponent standing still after making a move its just sweeps and arm locks
Bruh
>coreography
The only larp here is your 60 Iq muttoid ass, shut the frick up esl
>wtf I'm playing a sport and people expect me to follow the rules????
>how could this be????
homie did you genuinely come there expecting to beat other people up for real
Fencing is the only legitimate melee weapon discipline, because it refers to a relatively recent age where information storage was already systematized enough. All that "historical" shit is based on some random texts which are treated like holy scripture despite nature of them being unclear to the point of having no guarantees that it was a manual for a theatrical performance or someone's shitpost.
Especially considering that they contradict common sense more often than not. When in combat with heavily armored opponent, common sense would advice knocking one down and executing one with a stiletto, over le martial arts with le sword, latter looks like something out of fantasy literature like Don Quixote used to read.
>Especially considering that they contradict common sense more often than not. When in combat with heavily armored opponent, common sense would advice knocking one down and executing one with a stiletto, over le martial arts with le sword, latter looks like something out of fantasy literature like Don Quixote used to read.
Most manuals that hema reference literally aren't meant to be used in combat with an armoured opponent
>Fencing
Tiny lance jousting.
In a duel maybe. But in a formation there's very little chance of you being able to wrestle someone down unimpeded, either by your friends helping you drag the the guy into your formation and kill the poor c**t or the victims friends stopping you.
There's a reason why heavy infantry throughout history were absolute slogfests that could easily fight the entity of a battle with just each other.
fencing is a complete meme
It's anything but a meme, you just use a stiffer sword for real combat like a Schiavona. Longswords were utterly replaced by basket-hilted swords which were real war weapons.
The reason why developed long, thinner swords was because gun powder dominated the battlefield, heavily armored people dropped their plates and wore lighter and lighter armor until they wore none since it was useless, so in turn they didn't need chunk swords to act as a generalist back up weapon and instead it became purely for self defense, a weapon engineered for thrusting and piercing vital organs rather than maiming limbs and disabling the opponent as well as acting as a back up hammer.
Regardless, fencing is a meme sport.
Swords were never meant to be used against armor, your entire non-argument is moronic. basket swords replaced longswords, because they were far more effective for the same purpose and fencing the only legit Western sword-related martial art.
>Swords were never meant to be used against armor,
Some were, against certain armors. Blanket statements that ignore or simplify all of the changes across time and space are what lead to weird myths and misconceptions.
If you're studying Liechtenauer (the only 'Medieval' German LS text, as Meyer is early Renaissance) then you would know that chasing the openings left by an opponent is always kosher, and chasing the sword is a fool's errand. You complain and call it choreography when you fail to understand that HEMA seeks to simulate; yes, you can get a stab on someone, but if you've ever been in a real actual fight (or watched one on Liveleaks or something), people keep going after they're injured. As a side note, I do hope that you understand that masters wrote their plays based off of situations, sure, but mostly covered responses in a generalized set of reactions.
Some schools insist on pure historical accuracy and adherence to the texts. That is up to the school to enforce, and it certainly isn't the blanket sentiment for HEMA practitioners. Some use the sources as inspiration and borrow a majority of techniques, movement, and posture, but then incorporate other martial arts into their fighting style (or even other masters, and other countries' arts). I personally study Liechtenauer's KdF while incorporating aspects of Marozzo's longsword and some ideas from Bolognese tradition. There are often times where openings present themselves that typically would not be reasonable in a KdF context, but can be capitalized on by a specific Italian guard or type of footwork.
silly little anon
If you want to clobber people in the face with your fist in a fight I suggest you try buhurt instead of a sport fencing
A buhurter would knock your teeth out and rape you in the ass with your own broo- I mean """sword""", larper.
Why? Are buhurters gay?
Anon wants to share his fetish with the class
What are your wrestling credentials? Judo? Sambo? Freestyle? Greco? If the answer is no to any of those, you would literally die to a country level tournament buhurter along with your troony stick, shitter.
Do all of those ones frick dudes if they fight them? With greco I can buy it, honestly.
>I an snarky and dismissive to cope with other guys being objectively more masculine than me
You just sound like a b***h. Which is fitting, since you'd get raped.
Yeah that's why I'm not wrestling with gay rapists anon. Why are you such big fans of these homosexual attackers anyway? Are you spellbound by the martial art of beating and butt-fricking?
You're not funny. Your "silly-aggresive" attitude comes from TV, self censorship and low test.
So where does your gay thoughts come from? What makes you think "I don't like that guy much. He should have dicks in his bum!"?
>With greco I can buy it, honestly.
It's part of the curriculum. Whether that's a plus is up to you. It is.
>rape you in the ass
That seems to be a popular thing in that part of the world
>and rape you in the ass
Thrusting isnt allowed in Bohurt
Anon... what you think poleaxes were? (here is a hint, in medieval literature they are simply called of axes)
??? Are you okay? I didn't say anything negative about Buhurt. I have absolutely no issues with the other fencing practices (MOF all the way to Buhurt). If I had more time to improve my raw strength and more money to invest in period appropriate harness, I'd love to do Buhurt. Please pardon my avatargayging
I also do HEMA and like Buhurt but anon you are definitely too skinny for buhurt
I know. I am doomed to remain a renaissance twink. Pain
buhurt seems to attract the same kind of people that the game mordhau does. angry monkeys looking for a hole to molest who think it makes them appear cool when they threaten people over the internet. the sport itself seems pretty cool but i think that being more knightly and polite would benefit its participants.
>buhurt seems to attract the same kind of people that the game mordhau does. angry monkeys looking for a hole to molest
No wonder why it is so popular with Russians
Buhurt is popular amongst Russians, because Russia is the prime wrestling nation in the world and wrestling is an essential part of buhurt.
I thought russia wasn't supposed to have any gays though.
If you are poor you are a homosexual
If you are rich you are a gay
That is how it works there
only half of their gays are voluntary gays
I guess that is what their army is there for considering some of thier hazing pratices
Buhurt does sound alot like butthurt
a butthurter would do what?
sorry huh?
r u gay?
Sounds like you're just in a shit club and/or have never gone to any tournaments. You can absolutely achieve a lockout thrust without coming to a bind and it's something my club practices regularly. Manuscripts wouldn't show counters to thrusts if people weren't stabbing the shit out of each other historically. I'm more inclined to believe that you left yourself open to an afterblow where you would have gotten your head caved in after landing a thrust because people don't die instantly
It‘s hilarious seeing fat, untrained or skinny nerds play around awkwardly with medieval weapons and think their intuition is worth anything. Like some fricktard completely dismissed the concept of holding a spear with a murder grip, because he is too weak to hold it.
I can definitely believe this
I hope it wasn’t that self-hating German Skallagrim.
Exanima
That game sucks
good game but jankiest controls ive ever seen and not fun progression system (you die once ever its gone)
The controls are the main selling point of the game...
HEMA are larpers themselves, medieval combat is not based on manuals, 99% of people COULDN'T READ. think about it.
>nobody learned how to fight
moron
not from books, moron.
They really think that knights were bunch of bookworms and wasnt mostly tought by masters and practice fighting to git good.
Yes, statistically almost nobody learned how to read. Reading was a specialized skill held by scribes and clergy, and would otherwise be relegated to nobility, but even many of them couldn't read. Which is why the local tavern wouldn't have a sign saying "Ye olde taverne" but rather just a picture of a beer mug or something.
most manuals are geared towards noblemen,
Liechtenauer and Fiore tell in the manuals to not teach the stuff to regular people.
later on the manuals seem to geared towards the burgese like Meyer, Carrasco and Godinho
Again, even many nobles were illiterate. Though I guess if you wanted to master the art learning to read would be a good first step.
If read any of the spanish verdadera destreza manuals they actually wanted you to know or at least study university level geometry
That's a pretty based prerequisite. Blockheads need not apply
>many nobles were illiterate
yES.
Which is why a lot of them has extensive illustrations, alongside enough text to get the job done.
There isn't even any realistic sword fighting game out there wtf are you on about
how can they be awful if none exist
Lmfao this just a thread of burgers (a people that think antiquity was the 1950s) salty because you thought Medieval combat was done with 6ft long baseball bats.
Saying Souls has more realistic combat than stuff like Kingdom Come lmfao, yeah fast roll spam, kartwheeling, and somersault attacks with swords larger than the wielder are far more realistic lmfao.
The only thing realistic about KCD combat are the automatic sequences that come when you do a master strike. But the player isn't performing them, its basically a video playing.
The combat itself is anything but realistic. It has the same issue as M&B where an enemy runs at you from 100 feet away with his sword raised high above his head to strike, so you have enough time to also block from above.
Still, better than most games tho.
KCD was one of the most boring games I ever played, and since there was no grappling, tripping, half swording, or combined arms (mostly weapon+grappling), its fancy little compass rose “ultra realistic combat!” Is fricking boring, slow, and nowhere close to actual historical duels.
Biggest issue is that swords have always been secondary weapons like pistols, and weapons like spears, axes and (agains armor) maces have been the go to primaries.
Pistol to rifle analogy is wrong.
See lance may be primary weapons of knight, but it's one shot it's very easy to break or lose it, then it time for the sword.
So proper analogy would be rifleman having just one bullet in the rifle and secondary pistol with 100 bullets in the magazine. That would be more proper analogy . While pistol is still secondary with such capacities pistol would have completely different role on battlefield even if rifle exists.
>knights
Horse combat is a different beast all together, im talking about footsoldiers, and guess what a regular Spear (or halbeard or simmilar pole weapon) has better reach than a sword, and wont somehow just break by usig it.
Knights also fought on foot, moron.
Not with lances you moron.
Obviously, moron
Actually a knight, speaking in combat terms is exclusively a mounted unit. Ofcourse someone who has been Knighted can fight on foot, but thats just semantics.
They mandatory had horses but doesn't mean they fought on foot all the time. English knights specifically preferred to fight on foot hiding behind stakes and supporting archers. At Agincourt French knight dismounted during assault too because horses couldn't breach through field fortifications stakes and you need to dismount to breach them anyway.
>knighted lords hid behind archers and pikes instead of engaging the enemy head on
And thus the modern politican was born, hiding fom consequences of his actions.
At Agincourt French reached English positions and combat was decided by melee combat between man-at-arms.
King Henry V of England personal participated in this melee and was wounded (lightly) sever times.
French commander Lord Charles I d'Albret led this assault on French side personally too, he was killed in that battle.
But yeah britbongs has that slimy nature.
Ill give you that atleast they held the last line, but still, not all lords would act this way and use their posittion to flee.
>and guess what a regular Spear (or halbeard or simmilar pole weapon) has better reach than a sword, and wont somehow just break by usig it.
Speargays are often forgetting that the reason why every lord put a long stick with a sharpened edge into the hands of his peasants, making it a common weapon, was because its a good easy weapon to hold of the first wave in an attack, also easy to make.
But in actual 1 on 1 they're just not very practical weapons. You only have a small point or blade on top of the spear, with most of the weapons, constantly have to move backwards when your stabs are getting blocked of parried, which means you constantly have to watch your step, and you are very limited in terms of space to fight in. Once someone gets past the tip, you're fricked. And real combat was fast. Your spear got stuck in a shield? Fricked. You tripped on your way back? Fricked. Wall next to you so you can't move your spear properly to block off an attack? Fricked.
There's a reason why spears were a peasant weapon first and foremost. Also, axes were equally common because peasants were allowed to own them. Depending on the time and region we're talking here, peasants weren't allowed swords. It was basically medieval gun control.
THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE A SECONDARY SWORD, FOR FEW RARE OCCASIONS SOME moron MIGHT COME TOO CLOSE. What some gay with a sword gonn do that he can get stabbed with a spear from a distance out of his swords reach?
>What some gay with a sword gonn do that he can get stabbed with a spear from a distance out of his swords reach?
Its like you didn't even read the post you're replying at all
Most of that stuff posted is practucally moronic because the same can happen to a sword. And most battles were fought on fields, so spears had clear advantage to be used primarly.
>And most battles were fought on fields, so spears had clear advantage to be used primarly.
You're so moronic you think a medieval field was actually straight and even and not full of little holes and also the grass being like knee high, because that's how fields naturally look. They didn't mow the grass back then.
You just presented a scenario in which a spear would be absolutely fricking stupid.
See
Have you ever held a long wooden stick in your hands? How clumsy and lame do you have to be for that to frick up your balance? If the field is so fricked yhat you cant maneuver, then its not gonna be any better with a sword.
Knight fought on foot all the time.
Longsword (that is historicallt "knightly" weapon) is horseman weapon optimized for foot armored combat. You can swing it one handed from horseback, though it more cumbersome than one handed arming sword. But it is better on foot when you can stroke with two hands with more power and speed than one handed sword. (Shield? You don't need shield you have plate).
And 70% of the HEMA is longsword.
Knights with lances would be closer to a homie with a rocketlauncher on the back of a toyota
I don't think there's anyone as frequently misinformed about martial arts than martial arts instructors, other than the people they teach. Maybe it's just because they seem like they should know better.
It's even worse when you look into the history of one and they actually did have counters for obvious things and they did fight much more realistically and effectively, it's just been cargo cult'ed into a dance ritual.
>Muh treatises
>Muh documents
>Muh stances
Those were just the star wars nerds of their time, jerking off their saber fighting knowledge of how the MAKAHAKATA stance is superior to the RAKIYAKIOKI stance.
Do you really think the big dick fighters kept logs about to fight? They just DYEL other homosexuals and bonk them in the head.
>They just DYEL other homosexuals and bonk them in the head.
AS WAS WRITTEN IN THE ANCIENT MANUSCRIPTS
>No one has posted the webm yet
HEMA cucks cannot recover
This is why armour exists, fricking morons.
>Cannot see them wearing metal on their heads
Media literacy lmao
>brooo let's flail big knives at each other it'll be hecking cool
Fricking morons.
What were they expecting?
Probably to get a bit of a cut but they just never been cut like that before.
They had the right idea about not wanting to lose and eye or finger but I guess they couldn't afford a full set of armor. Even some layered leather would dampen the cut if not completely negate it since the sword were clearly not very sharp and the swing not very strong or thorough.
They're lucky they're terrible swordsmen. A good sword with a good wielder could lop off their limbs.
How did they not even notice those cuts at first, adrenaline?
Adrenaline and you don't always notice the severity of wounds right away, especially in a fight.
He knew he was hurt and in pain, just not how badly.
Plus they also look like flesh wound, so nothing debilitating. you'd know right away if it cut deep enough to stop you moving your arm.
had a cut like that one once It only hurts after a minute after 5 minutes you can no longer move the limb without great pain
When you sever the nerves in the skin it's not painful.
This is why needles are only painful at the start.
Once they start playing with it and the adrenaline slows down it probably feels kind of like a paper cut.
Once exposed to air it's going to start an immune response and the nerves around the skin are going to be hurting because of the immune response, but only later. Fresh like that it might not feel like anything.
After it's stitched it's gonna bruise and inflame and that's when it'll hurt the most because that's when the immune response is the highest.
t. knower
My favorite rejected Jackass stunt.
I'm glad that spearvsword has reach its knightvsamurai equilibrium and sanity is starting to prevail. I swear it was years of "uhm actually swords are inferior to spears in all cases, they were probably just status symbols and not even used as weapons for being so useless". Swords are fantastic, flexible weapons and pretty much every human civilization has used them for a reason.
What is round shield guy's game plan here?
I am so glad this thread is full of time traveller telling us how they used to fight back then.
>meanwhile in reality
What swordgay gon do?
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>What swordgay gon do?
Not pretend I instantly die because the side of his long stick lightly grazed me.
>tis' but a scratch moment
Shure annon, because the swordsman could commit to a full swing in that sittuation, and wouldnt be only capable of even weaker grazes if any at all.
Spears throughout all of history have been countered with swordsmen charging them. You just use a shield lol.
Shield can only make the swordfighter less lame against the spear, it can only equalize the playing field. https://youtu.be/lpk54yTJp0c?si=pFFUW69LhVzbooHP
Swordsmen with shields and armor were specifically used by multiple armies as anti-spear units. They would storm them and cut them down in melee. You can post gay youtube historians and backyard larps but it doesn't change the historical record of battle tactics. Swords are amazing weapons and everyone used them for good reason.
>noo you cant post actual phisical evidence how spears are better but trust me on my word thats totally legit.
Bro this is coping at this point.
My word is mine so it's better. I could post a historian saying you're gay and invented gay aids and you'd have to believe it.
So you admit to being a narcisistic moron that cant accept being in the wrong.
Your subtle concession has been accepted.
Swords were citygay weapon that they could carry arround to not get fricked by thugs and for nobles to brag about. You are buying too deep into post renesance romantisation of swordfighting. Its a duel weapon for sports more than a main weapon for war. Accept its a seccondary sidearm.
hemagays also need to remember that most people couldn't afford a sword or they were outright banned in some cities so they had to make do and carry large cleavers, billhook knives or hammers for concealed carry/self defense purposes. i'd love to see a game that focuses more on that type of combat tbh, unarmored fights with work tools as weapons.
They got around the sword carrying laws by claiming its just a large knife, so such things like the Kriegsmesser existed. Its totally a knife bro.
Shame this never appears in any game
exanima has procedurally generated falchions (one-handed and two-handed) and you can get some that look a lot like a kriegsmesser and you can also get some that look like big ol' war cleavers
There's actually little evidence this is true and it's seemingly self-perpetuating because of the name. I mean if you're on watch at a gate and some peasant comes through and hits you with a reddit "um actually this is a big knife not a sword!" how are you not instantly kicking his ass for blatantly trying to bullshit you?
that's kind of a myth town that forbid swords often had rulers that showed the maximum length that a sword, dagger or knife could be.
It's just that in German speaking countries citizens had to own a sword for the defense of the city.
and messers where cheaper since they assembled by the cutler guilds instead of the sword making guilds
>guard walks around his mud-covered, brown and grey-filtered medieval town
>sees bastard carrying one of those giant cleavers like you'd see in a Souls gane
>"oi bloke, no sords in da city mate, s' the lord's law"
>"guvna this here ain't no sord, s' me butcher's knoife, eh"
>"s'cuse me then, carry on"
Kriegsmesser is an extreme comparison, but they did carry large knives for protection
Had less to do with anti sword laws and more to do with guild rights. The swordsmith guild had the rights to make swords but other blacksmiths could make a messer and call it a big knife.
in the late medieval period from where most the treatises are from, sword where more affordable and common especially in Spain, Italy and Germany.
Frogs and anglos where kinda cucked in the case of swords in compasison
>fights with work tools as weapons
total war medieval 2
>citygay weapon
Why did every society invent and use swords if they were just some status/convenience thing? Why were swords brought to war by many different kinds of people all over the world?
Why is is so hard to believe "swords were actually good and people carried them because they were good weapons"?
That's literally the opposite of a concessing. You had concessed to "muh youtube" before this began.
Because swords were secondary weapons and home defence weapons. Thats like saying that AR15 is a war weapon just because there are alot of enthusiasts using it.
>Thats like saying that AR15 is a war weapon
is it not
friendly reminder soldiers are trained to use semi auto 90% of the time
friendly reminder FA conversions are as easy as swapping a stock or putting a coat hanger bent the right way in the correct spot
Smallarms fire wouldn't account for 1% of all deaths in any modern conflict. Weapons of war start at lmgs, which are loosing relevance too. Hmgs, artillery, missiles and drones are what wars fought with.
despite that is still infantry what wins wars.
you need infantry to occupy territories
Then why does everyone bring rifles smartypants?
>people once again think that war is pure kill count and not the ability to project force.
A group of people in an area of nebulous size with the ability to kill everyone in it is the backbone of all war.
You might be able to remotely kill 200 people but you can't remotely control 200m. Just look at what those ragheads or the viet cong were able to get up to when K:D was skewed against them but they had essentially free run.
They would be if people brought them to war all the time, like they did swords.
You can use a shield with a spear too, dont look too good for the swordsman.
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Why would the swordgay "commit to a full swing"? He's not in range yet, they keep fricking resetting because the stick taps him. Several fricking time in that video, he's in the middle of stepping in but because the stick tapped his forearm he's allegedly dead now like it's supposed to be a fricking lightsaber or something.
>Dipshits spend 9 minutes trying to french kiss the spear with the sword held out, swordarm fully extended
>DOESN'T USE HIS FRICKING SHIELD, the fricking thing is just tucked up against his body
What the frick is this nonsense? HEMAgays are fricking pathetic.
Spears are sharp and because of the lenght of the pole, can carry much stronger blow than it looks that really can frick up someone. Hell just tapping a spear agains a weak point will cause damage that can stun your enemy. You can see that swordgay cant even manage that.
>turdskin continues to dig his own grave deeper while samegayging
Ohhh, I really hit the weakspot.
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The only realistic HEMA is practiced by Russians who do it full contact and hold full contact tournaments with full armor duels. That's why they dominated every fricking larper in Battle of the Nations over and over and over again.
It was especially hilarious watch them blast mutt larpers full force with bardiches AHAHAHA:
Russian quality.
>all this dunking on hema gays ITT
It wasn't long ago that hema gays were real uppity about their larps to the point it was the dominant consensus that hema was the way to swordfight.
So what changed?
Did the hema-defenders go outside and touch grass and realize hema was for larping homosexuals?
HEMAhomosexuals don't train full contact in 99% of the cases. Those who train are exceptionally rare. If you're not training full contact you're not training martial arts, you're training ballet with dildos.
do you mean fighting with full force with full gear or do you expect people to beat each other with metal bars with no protection
Training in full gear with blunted weapons while delivering and feeling the impacts.
the club I go does that and the other I visited clubs do that too.
though I blame the sigihomosexuals pushing safer HEMA.
my club is full of dented masks and guards, cracked gloves and you normally end full of bruises after a sparring day
hema go thicc b***hes when
So many british politicians sons and upper class men joined WW1 that they suffered from missing positions afterwards. WW1 killed that idea.
>No one has mentioned the superior KCD because it's just that kino
It's also getting a sequel later in the year
>nospears
I hope they fix this issue so we can put swordgays to rest.
moron
Just look at Kingdom Come, the issue is that none of the HEMA actors actually hit hard enough to injure the other or with killing intent. This is why mocap attacks will always feel weak, because they are. Your attacks include very weakly poking and enemy in the sternum and pushing them back, but never once do you actually properly STAB them.
Just use pool noodles for mocap, so the blow would seem more like that of killing intent.
>This is why mocap attacks will always feel weak,
I'm willing to bet it has more to do with the animations being purposefully slowed down to make combat more "accessible". Just look at the reaction to Sekiro's combat, despite parrying consisting of just pressing a single button. Add in directional attacks and casual players get overwhelmed, so attack speeds get slowed down to compensate.
>only way for swordgays to have a chance is going 3v1 lel
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Your spear, against my bow. https://youtube.com/watch?v=2yorHswhzrU
Your bow vs my horseman with a crossbow
Your horseman with a crossbow vs my t-rex that eats horses and crossbows
>your trex that eats horsebows vs my M1 Abrahams tank
You M1 Abrahams tank vs the inevitable death of the universe.
>your inevitable death of the universe vs my instant cease of existance of the omniverse
Yeah because video game combat isn't the same as dueling between two experienced fencers. There are ways HEMA can improve things in video games, but generally speaking, that isn't by making your characters have strict, manual-accurate movements and nothing else. For instance, one common criticism HEMA nerds level at dumb looking video game combat is at spinning around unnecessarily in combat. 99% of the times it does look moronic. Can you ever spin? Yeah. Something like when Link does, where the speed is so fast it doesn't matter. Small things, like an idle pose of a character in a game holding the sword is a slightly better position, the swings not being moronic in their trajectory, so on. There's a lot you can add to increase the feasibility and logic of combat in video games through HEMA knowledge, without going full Kingdom Come levels of moronic combat.
One clear example of this sort of thing always tends to be the katana. In almost every game you get a katana, the way its moveset is designed is a lot better than a typical western sword will get. Characters hold it in proper positions, their stances tend to be historically accurate, their swings are deliberate and neither overcommit nor make unnecessary movements. It's all just right and the katanas tend to be fan favorites as a result. This sort of accuracy is beneficial to pay attention to.
Facts:
>hema is gay
>sword loses to spear
Source:
I made it up
>bro how you fight a spear with a sword lol
i've literally knocked someone out with their own long wooden pole and I was unarmed at the time. git gud
>I am sure to win because my armor protect ACK DON'T PUSH ME
HEMA is for neckbeards who are too pretentious for any other combat sport.
How many vidya game with sword fights include wrestling mechanics?
There is clenching in KCD but thats about it.
How many vidya game include wrestling mechanics outside of WWE sims?
the closest you're gonna get is what is currently implemented in exanima: bumping into a guy and being heavier than him thus pushing him onto the ground. i'm hoping that they decide to implement grabbing at some point, it would make unarmed fights much more enjoyable and give a good reason to use one-handed weapons with a free left hand from a game balance perspective.
May I use your post as an excuse to just post this?
the guy who did the throw was bashed by the other guy pommel
Pretty inconsequential since he didin't manage to put much force behind it compared to getting fricking slammed to the ground
he lost his mask that was probable a pretty good hit.
going too hard with the pommel bashes is kinda unsportsmanlike since you often grill the other guy face, dent the mask and/or break noses
>Your sword against GRAVITY
>they're calling for a medic at the end
Memes aside that was a pretty brutal throw, mirin'
Now in webm
>Most manuals that hema reference literally aren't meant to be used in combat with an armoured opponent
This.
You gotta love those clueless HEMA takes from people who think that HEMA is like a football team kind of thing
HEMA can go from sword and buckler in the early 14th century to bayonnet drills and pugilism in the age of machine guns. And that is if we want to be purist and exclude the Vikinggays and Pankration for being too experimental archeology
>full-force slam into the ground
Such a c**t-move from a gay desperate to prove himself.
>"Heh, hema is such fake troony shit, they should let me punch people for real.."
>"W-WAIT WHAT ARE YOU DOING PUT ME DOWN A-AAAAAIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEE!"
So which is it?
>goes for the grab
>knees you in the balls
>wtf bro that's against le hecking rules!!!
So which is it?
They wear wiener protection for a reason
If there was a way of doing that 100% safely then HEMAgays would be doing it too, since that is also in the books
the thing is if you allow kicking in the crotch people would start stabbing each other in the crotch and that is hard to make it safe
Make your own tournament with rules for such, and if anyone joins you can all have a merry time kicking each other in the nuts.
Nobody is going to say that it isnt HEMA
>This student strikes his opponent with a knee to the groin to gain advantage in order to throw him to the ground. To make the counter, when your opponent comes in quickly to strike you in the groin with his knee, seize his right leg under the knee with your right hand, and throw him to the ground.
The point is he didn't have to complete the throw like a gay.
I liked the swordfight from the princess bride. You're a gay if you don't.
Its not bad as fencing with rapiers in movies goes.
But watch this sabre fight in a movie
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>Doesn't wiggle all over the place
>Swap hands
Magnificient.
Goddamn the rule that offense will always outpace defense because amour used to be so cool.
This is my all time favourite
do you have any manuals to recommend for "bayonnet drills and pugilism in the age of machine guns"? i would assume that the us army has some good material in their library of declassified manuals. best regards.
>do you have any manuals to recommend for
I cant really recommend anything since ive never done any of it, but a preliminary google for 19th century bayonet drill treatises lead me to this through R*ddit
https://archive.org/details/cihm_52631/page/n5/mode/2up
thank you very much, i'll be checking this out.
>HEMAtrash has no wrestling background
Kek, would literally die in a buhurt fight. I accept your squealing concession, pipsqueak.
I don't think I want to wrestle with gay men at all.
Has anyone here trained further in krabi krabong or any form of dual sword wielding? Maybe escrima holds some similar principles? I did muay thai for a couple years but the instructor moved away before we actually got to train with the daab song mue (2 shortswords, we started with 2 meter-long sticks but never got too far). Supposedly used in the siam royal guard along with spear+shield but the lack of dual sword styles in the rest of the world makes me think it could've just been memes used to intimidate unarmored peasants. Which is weird because the rest of thai martial arts is tight.
I want to shank two homies at once or shank one homie twice.
China has 2 sword styles
Japan has two sword styles
Italy has 2 sword styles
Thanks, I'll look into those, good to hear it isn't completely anime bullshit but I'm aware it's a gimmick that partially relies on the opponent not being used to fight an unusual style.
>Two weapons just kinda stinks because you're only ever able to defend/attack from one angle and while having your offhand be capable of sudden offensive is nice, a shield does everything the offhand stick/sword save for immediately fight ending moves in the swords case, does and defends more of you passively.
I can see why shields are more often used, we definitely were told to think of the off-hand weapon more as a shield or parrying dagger that you can use to control the space in front of you, parry, or block before applying a second blow with the main hand. I liked the fact they also told us to think of them more as extensions of the muay boran stuff we already knew since it meant you can still incorporate teeps, clinches, knees, elbows, etc. in the middle of it. Wouldn't count on the blocking tho since the crossguards in the krabi seemed kinda small.
>staffs
And by all means, they're still excellent weapons. See all the swordgays whining about spearchads ITT.
Thanks anon, checking it out.
>art of Krabbi Krabong
Oh this is gold, thanks brother. I'm a total thaiboo so it's nice to see others also find ways to make their shit useful.
We are trained to do historically accurate attacks on weakpoints for massive damage.
Weapons in a thai gym?
meant for
Brother have you paid any attention to what I've been saying?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krabi–krabong
Some gyms definitely cater more to the competitive sport aspect but I've found some nice ones do care about the historical part of the art and will teach you other aspects of muay boran, katas, the pre-fight dances, mythology, etc. Have heard good things about the thailand training camps but I can't afford it yet. Soon as I can I'll go train like a madman and rail some ladyboys.
Thats cool, I did muay thai for 4 or 5 years when I was a kid, had a couple of amateur fights during high school, but I wish I'd learn more about all the stuff you mention
A lot of it is fun but it does require you to care about the history and rituals behind it, I understand not everyone likes to practice katas and is just there for the fight and exercise. Luckily, if you've kept some of the muscle memory, a lot of muay thai is easily translatable into the weapon arts since it's the same motions and they encourage you to use it alongside them for all those here that complain about not being allowed to use their rest of their body in other weapon styles. Or you can just watch Van Damme's poorly-named Kickboxer (1989). Did you also kick tires to train shins or just pads?
>leopard thinks he can beat tiger
[angry jaguar noises] vs son grrrriquisimas
>care about the history and rituals behind it
The buddhism behind muay arts seems more interesting to me that the zen stuff, but I guess theres more indian influence in thailand buddhism than in japan, let alone the western wannabes
Pretty great channel and I think he has a series of these videos. They assume a base knowledge of sidesword, though, so you may have to read/watch a bit before this makes as much sense as it should.
I did some escrima as part of tang-su-do, which is essentially very old school and kinda shitty taekwondo. Be fair to mention that my escrima was very limited and I focused mostly on staves because I like them more.
Two weapons just kinda stinks because you're only ever able to defend/attack from one angle and while having your offhand be capable of sudden offensive is nice, a shield does everything the offhand stick/sword save for immediately fight ending moves in the swords case, does and defends more of you passively.
A fun anecdote though, I found I struggled with the escrima competitively, since I'm 6'2 and most of my opponents were shorter and I had way more leg for them to hit, and easier to hit as well, under tourney rules. Which is why I preferred staffs since they let me maximize my longer arms.
>I found I struggled with the escrima competitively, since I'm 6'2 and most of my opponents were shorter and I had way more leg for them to hit, and easier to hit as well, under tourney rules. Which is why I preferred staffs since they let me maximize my longer arms.
not to make feel bad anon but you probably just suck at it if you can't take advantage of your longer arms against manlets
Probably. Like I said, I hardly touched escrima and only did it out for obligation for a black belt during forms/kata/set whatever term you wanna use. Staffs were the weapon I cared about.
No issue with calling me bad, I met the bare minimum for them
I'm a junior HEMA instructor ( so take it as you will).
Fixing the problem that some tall people have with protecting their legs is kinda easy with some games.
Achille Marozzo's Opera Nova, starting at around chapter 77. If you're using an English translation, I recommend W. Swanger's. It's very pretty and flashy like most Italian singlesword of the era
You wouldn't be wrestling, you've never wrestled in your entire life, troony. You'd be flying through the air in precisely 3 seconds after entering a buhurt.
Reminder: all knights trained wrestling from the earliest of ages for a very, VERY good reason.
Yeah flying out of the room away from those gayboys before they try to suck my dick.
If medieval combat really was about pulling guys down so you can finish them, why weren't more people using battle axes?
>why weren't more people using battle axes?
Because they were using polearms instead. Halberds, poleaxes, billhooks - the actually practical shit, not moronic fantasy nonsense.
when you pull someone the other guy can also pull you so pulling a stronger guy is a bad idea.
that said most infantry used longer weapons often with hooks for pulling.
if you are not head to toe in armor you probably want a longer weapon
Because
a:) two-handed weapons were the privilege of a small elite groups that could afford a very expensive armor and fight without a shield;
b:) you have a duel in the video, while most of the battles were fought in formation and the main combination of the equipment of an ordinary fighter was a steel helmet + a gambeson + a wooden shield + a spear + a sword (which actually looked like a machete because long noodles is for rich nobles) as a spare weapon in case the spear breaks.
Funny story because bronze was not very strong ancient militaries avoided using full sets of armor because it would only slow down the soldier and when they fall over they couldn't get back up and people with pickaxes would just kill them.
That's why you see roman soldiers wearing lighter armor.
Back then it was all about shields. After plate armor a shield was just to be effay.
A good HEMA game would have to have a great wrestling and grappling system in it.
IRL knights were killed by arrows to weak points or joints, pole arms and maces that just sought to bludgeon their way through the armor or concuss the person behind it to death, or wrestled to the ground and stabbed in a weak point or joint.
Otherwise you aren't really going to stab through a breastplate with a sword or hack someone's arm off if they're wearing plate on their arm.
Kenjutsu is better than HEMA (which is a meme style btw) and a game about it has been perfected in PS1 era.
nah, I'd win
>Realism doesn't make a fun game
Who would had guessed
honestly as someone that does hema the problem is the physics based combat that feels jank as frick.
something like bushido blade with HEMA animations would be way more fun
Historical accuracy and realism is pure cringe
Idk I just like when games have cool animations for weapons like DMC, Monster Hunter, and Dragon's Dogma 🙂
My HERO Seregios
based, but i prefer when animations find a middle ground between cool and realistic, like the royal greatsword or the mace from dark souls 2
MH weapons have by far the best animations because even if they're ridicolous anime bullshit by how the character moves you can tell that there's actual technique behind their usage instead of going full "caveman with a club" like dark souls does, MH hunters look like they're trained and know how to use them
People here want M-1 Medieval
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But most of you dont have the physical nor mental condition to do this shit. Start an actual combat sport first, either boxing or muay thai if you've never been into a fight. Some grappling helps as well, and its great for conditioning. Then you can start thinking about knights and sword fights
"vikinggays" dont use HEMA because they predate it, and that throw webm makes me fricking sick, you're sword fighting so you turn it into a wrestle and go for a cheap win? if I was in that "match" i'd take a sledgehammer to your fricking car afterwards.
>you're sword fighting so you turn it into a wrestle and go for a cheap win?
Just as the masters intended
>"vikinggays" dont use HEMA because they predate it
Vikinggays "dont use HEMA" because there are no surving martial art treatises dated back to the viking era and writen by vikings, otherwise they would be all over it.
Krieglet spotted
The point of HEMA is finding the razor's edge between intensity/power and safety. If people can't fight after a tournament because they were critically injured by some dude curb stomping their balls, that makes for a sport nobody wants to play.
Combat representation should play out like a dance, because if you've ever seen combat (like boxing), it can be like a dance sometimes, when both fighters are locked in the zone. Thats why Sekiro (one of the better ones) ends up being a rhythm game
This one is my favorite: the ultimate anti-armor one-hander. The mace is far too limited and primitive in comparison.
1v1 and formation fighting are totally different kettles of fish.
You might be able to totally throw a terrible attack in a formation that you'd get reamed for otherwise because there are two guys to your left and right who have a vested interest in the killing the guy you're upset with and keeping you alive..
Likewise you have way more room and freedom to maneuver in a 1v1 that you should never get away with in a formation.
>1v1 and formation fighting are totally different kettles of fish.
Are there seriously people so moronic they don't realise this?
Yes.
I do wonder how much in European and Slavic history did wood armour play a role.
Even a inch of wood is the difference between life and death but it's cheap and probably very ugly, plus wood degrades far worse than metal does.
I know those nerds the Japanese have some surviving wooden sets but that's becuase they were nerds and looked after that stuff if it became an heirloom.
None because europeans weren't fricking moronic, even the greeks had layered linen armor that was extremely strong albeit heavy.
he meant uncivilized tribes like germanoids and slavs before the medieval period when christ saved them.
>realize this entire thread is spearchuckers from brown majority countries shitflinging at swordpolishers from white majority countries
>this is painfully evident from the language used by both sides
>laugh at europoors and Black personpoors in equal measure because I live in a gunchad country where we'd just frickin shoot you with a blunderbuss if you tried to rush with your silly metal armaments
/thread
you're absolutely right, bows, crossbows and firearms have always been the safest and quickest way to resolve a duel. you wanna survive a swordfight? don't get into a swordfight. if you do get into a swordfight, shoot the c**t. if you don't have the means to shoot your attacker, then pray that the next world will be a more pleasant one to inhabit.
>Feraud has come up with some manner to attach personal insult to a statement you have made and challenges you to infinity duels
>what do?
Shoot him in the head.
pull out my M1 Garand
I'M SICK OF THE STUPID FRICKING Black folk THAT BELIEVE PEOPLE ALWAYS WORE FULL FRICKING PLATE.
FULL PLATE WAS IN USE THE SANE TIME THEY STARTED EXPERIMENTING WITH FRICKING GUNS.
TWO DICKHEADS COVERING EVERY PARTOF THEIR BODIES IN METAL WOULD HARDLY EVER HAPPEN.
Hellish Quart
if that game had online it would be doing great, but its just okay right now
just make a new Bushido Blade but with every melee weapon across the history of the world
i could get behind that if work tools as weapons get proper representation
why would use something slower and shorter than a sword or a spear if a single hit can kill you
To show off.
fair point as long you don't complain abut the lack of balance
a lack of balance is what makes games fun
I thought the dude on the left had a giant fricking hat and was just freestyling on the shield cuck.
Imagine the world today if there was a group of people able to freestyle a tower shield with their neck alone.
>swords are useless vs armor and generally bad for fighting
So what were swords even used for? Killing paesants, and doing ceremonies?
It's all just bullshit. Swords are great weapons since 99% of history didn't involve people fully armored head to toe, and even those that did, didn't have it on everyone. Men with swords and shields have been hacking legs and arms off dudes forever. Autistic history nerds just hyperfocus on the single classic image of the fully armored knight and go "err that would be an ineffecient weapon to fight this one man so actually swords were probably only used as big letter openers".
Hammer head forward every time, not the pick.