better levels, better bosses, better controls, better visuals and armor design, better music, no pointless backtracking, is less unfinished, pretty much everything
You’re delusional. There is a whole level missing from demon souls. Also the combat is somehow clunkier along with the movement. I mean it’s still a good game but dark souls built upon it near entirely.
the only cut zone its fully removed , and not added to the game making it look like 60% of it , its an beta
only morons who consider it an beta to DaS are your usual underages who's mommy didn't got them a ps3
Pacing of exploration and combat speed definitely. The atmosphere and internal consistency is better, practically every system that Dark Souls borrowed was better realized in DeS and had its place there. Level design wasn't claustrophobic, a lot less tricks to make enemies stronger by limiting the player.
Personally, I like the sound design of DeS more, comfy room reverb > open wide echo.
Nothing. Definition of a hipster game. People will say it's faster but all that really means is its floaty and weightless. Things just look jerky and odd. If you want speed why the frick would you look for it in any souls game? It's not the point.
You’re delusional. There is a whole level missing from demon souls. Also the combat is somehow clunkier along with the movement. I mean it’s still a good game but dark souls built upon it near entirely.
Dark Souls ages even more poorly when you see all the shit they ripped off. Like the opening up doors ambush in Boletaria palace getting moved to the lower undead burg, the identical enemies, the undead soldiers and warriors that have identical scripting to Dreglings and Boletarian soldiers, and so on. So many similarities pile up
>Vast and more intricate levels with great sense of scale and design were replaced by half assed lame and small "interconnected" levels constantly using tubular design and danger from falling/limiting player movement >The world feels artificial because Lordran is ridiculously small, constrained into its open world design. Boletaria feels like an actual kingdom. >Homeward bones break the gameplay by allowing an easy and cheap get-out-of-jail move >Asylum Demon - Get a face full of ass 3x because they just copy paste it twice later on >Taurus Demon - Somehow has more intricate attack animations than any other boss, wasted on shitty arena >Pinwheel - Worse version of False Idol from demon's souls >Bell Gargoyles - Worse version of maneaters from demon's souls >Capra Demon - Another shitty arena, this time with unnecessary enemy spam. Getting a plunge attack involves playing musical chairs >Quelaag - Make frickhuge arena for co-op kino, turns out the solution is to get in close after all. ZZzzzzzz... >Iron Golem - Worse version of tower knight from demon's souls >O & S - Most epic fight of the whole game forces you to backpedal for 90% of it >Sif - Literally has the same moveset as gargoyles except add a cool spin once in a while >Four Kings - "Muh DPS check" >Seath - Dishonest game design >Bed of Chaos - Worse version of Dragon God from demon's souls >Gwyn - L2 L2 L2 L2 L2
Gwyn took only 3 parries and ripostes to kill, it's just so pathetic for a final boss.
>Boletaria feels like an actual kingdom
was it the constant teleporting around or the 1 single town you can see far away but never visit that gave you this feeling?
I mean this stuff is what has put me off these games in general, ER was honestly so bad for this it was outrageous and soured the whole franchise for me because it was so blatant and unashamed. From have effectively made a single good game and just regurgitated all the good ideas over and over until they're so exhausted and boring that you end up hating them.
PVP for one. Fighting other players in Demon's Souls is so much for fun than any other Souls game. Since balance was all over the place it meant there was no 'wrong' way to approach a fight or cheese it or be an absolute c**t. Also it had my favorite axe design in gaming, the Guillotine Axe.
>Scraping Spears were not fun
The salt people threw at me for using it says otherwise. I still have the messages people sent me 15 years ago, crying about my using the Scraping Spear and I regret nothing.
I agree with you there anon. The bullshit created so much variety, not just with PvP, but with PvE as well. PC tryhard community fricked it up for everyone by making everything homogeneous one and done meta wankfest.
>What does DeS Do better than DaS?
Unironically build variety. Unlike the other Fromsoft games after it, the moment you get access to Old Spice mana replenish you will never have to touch a single melee weapon again, and Demon Souls is the game where you only gain access to a check points once you've beaten a long complex level and a boss at the end. I can't tell you how much I actually miss that.
It's the only game Fromshit ever finished. It actually feels like a complete game and doesn't feel like anything is unfinished or missing. Miyahacki never managed to do that since.
Nah. World 1 is a good intro, but the variety that the game has with the other worlds is why the game shines. Obviously people have different worlds they hate, which will also be affected by their build when they first went there, like how world 4 is more rough without the thief ring or a bow/magic
World 1 is definitely the best by far. World 2 is pretty garbage in every way, flamelurker is the only boss there that isn't bad. 3-1 is terrible but 3-2 through the rest is cool. 4-2 to Old Hero is terrible if you don't get thief ring. 5 is ok.
No. If someone said that it's probably a DS1 redditor coping because half that game is shit
What does DeS Do better than DaS?
Being able to climb those little ledges sometimes.
better levels, better bosses, better controls, better visuals and armor design, better music, no pointless backtracking, is less unfinished, pretty much everything
>better levels, better bosses
examples?
You’re delusional. There is a whole level missing from demon souls. Also the combat is somehow clunkier along with the movement. I mean it’s still a good game but dark souls built upon it near entirely.
what you prefer , a missing stone , or half the game feeling like an alpha?
the only cut zone its fully removed , and not added to the game making it look like 60% of it , its an beta
only morons who consider it an beta to DaS are your usual underages who's mommy didn't got them a ps3
Pacing of exploration and combat speed definitely. The atmosphere and internal consistency is better, practically every system that Dark Souls borrowed was better realized in DeS and had its place there. Level design wasn't claustrophobic, a lot less tricks to make enemies stronger by limiting the player.
Personally, I like the sound design of DeS more, comfy room reverb > open wide echo.
Nothing. Definition of a hipster game. People will say it's faster but all that really means is its floaty and weightless. Things just look jerky and odd. If you want speed why the frick would you look for it in any souls game? It's not the point.
Dark Souls ages even more poorly when you see all the shit they ripped off. Like the opening up doors ambush in Boletaria palace getting moved to the lower undead burg, the identical enemies, the undead soldiers and warriors that have identical scripting to Dreglings and Boletarian soldiers, and so on. So many similarities pile up
>Vast and more intricate levels with great sense of scale and design were replaced by half assed lame and small "interconnected" levels constantly using tubular design and danger from falling/limiting player movement
>The world feels artificial because Lordran is ridiculously small, constrained into its open world design. Boletaria feels like an actual kingdom.
>Homeward bones break the gameplay by allowing an easy and cheap get-out-of-jail move
>Asylum Demon - Get a face full of ass 3x because they just copy paste it twice later on
>Taurus Demon - Somehow has more intricate attack animations than any other boss, wasted on shitty arena
>Pinwheel - Worse version of False Idol from demon's souls
>Bell Gargoyles - Worse version of maneaters from demon's souls
>Capra Demon - Another shitty arena, this time with unnecessary enemy spam. Getting a plunge attack involves playing musical chairs
>Quelaag - Make frickhuge arena for co-op kino, turns out the solution is to get in close after all. ZZzzzzzz...
>Iron Golem - Worse version of tower knight from demon's souls
>O & S - Most epic fight of the whole game forces you to backpedal for 90% of it
>Sif - Literally has the same moveset as gargoyles except add a cool spin once in a while
>Four Kings - "Muh DPS check"
>Seath - Dishonest game design
>Bed of Chaos - Worse version of Dragon God from demon's souls
>Gwyn - L2 L2 L2 L2 L2
Gwyn took only 3 parries and ripostes to kill, it's just so pathetic for a final boss.
>Boletaria feels like an actual kingdom
was it the constant teleporting around or the 1 single town you can see far away but never visit that gave you this feeling?
>so pathetic for a final boss
>king allant
nice bootleg
I mean this stuff is what has put me off these games in general, ER was honestly so bad for this it was outrageous and soured the whole franchise for me because it was so blatant and unashamed. From have effectively made a single good game and just regurgitated all the good ideas over and over until they're so exhausted and boring that you end up hating them.
You really have to use your brain to overcome the puzzling bosses.
easy mode its there on every soul game , its not exclusive to any
Difference is Demons Souls is easy if you have high iq. Your brain is your best tool, not builds.
>using maigc
>high iq
wouldn't say that myself but you do you
>hitting things with a stick
>intelligence
i didn't say it was intelligence
good then, dont
>easy mode its there on every soul game , its not exclusive to any
Here's the PC homosexualry that turned the Souls games into tryhard crap.
>pc homosexualry
i was playing demons souls before you knew it existed moron
PVP for one. Fighting other players in Demon's Souls is so much for fun than any other Souls game. Since balance was all over the place it meant there was no 'wrong' way to approach a fight or cheese it or be an absolute c**t. Also it had my favorite axe design in gaming, the Guillotine Axe.
Scraping Spears and Acid Clouds were not fun.
>Scraping Spears were not fun
The salt people threw at me for using it says otherwise. I still have the messages people sent me 15 years ago, crying about my using the Scraping Spear and I regret nothing.
I agree with you there anon. The bullshit created so much variety, not just with PvP, but with PvE as well. PC tryhard community fricked it up for everyone by making everything homogeneous one and done meta wankfest.
>What does DeS Do better than DaS?
Unironically build variety. Unlike the other Fromsoft games after it, the moment you get access to Old Spice mana replenish you will never have to touch a single melee weapon again, and Demon Souls is the game where you only gain access to a check points once you've beaten a long complex level and a boss at the end. I can't tell you how much I actually miss that.
It's the only game Fromshit ever finished. It actually feels like a complete game and doesn't feel like anything is unfinished or missing. Miyahacki never managed to do that since.
i would say BB and DaS3 also feels finished
Nothing, DS1 is a straight upgrade in every aspect, excep DeS does some very interesting things, even if bit gimmicky.
The atmosphere of the tutorial stage in OG Demon's Souls alone outdoes in Dark Souls' atmosphere.
Nah. World 1 is a good intro, but the variety that the game has with the other worlds is why the game shines. Obviously people have different worlds they hate, which will also be affected by their build when they first went there, like how world 4 is more rough without the thief ring or a bow/magic
2-2 is the worst to me, but it's far from trash. Every level is fun
Yes and no. World 1 is peak design and pure comfiness. The other worlds are okay but many of them felt like filler maps.
Nah. It feels/is just a concept demo of what would later become DaS series but still a solid game
>DeS is a demo
This meme again?
How did something like this end up in the final game?
no
all worlds are great except bog swamp but I think that’s what they were going for
I thought World 3 was pretty good.
aw man, I clicked on the thread because I thought you said everything past world war 1 is trash.
Can someone explain black/white tendency?
>White tenancy to create civilization and improve the world
>Black tendancy to burn the local souls shoe store after looting it
World 1 is definitely the best by far. World 2 is pretty garbage in every way, flamelurker is the only boss there that isn't bad. 3-1 is terrible but 3-2 through the rest is cool. 4-2 to Old Hero is terrible if you don't get thief ring. 5 is ok.