Oldgay here stopping by with a thread that actually contributes.
Anyway, lately I've been seeing a lot of posts that try to suck the wonder and magic out of fantasy worlds by claiming that wonderous and fantastical things simply don't exist in the real world, and never have. Everything from "traps never existed" to "puzzles never would be used in reality" to "Noone would hide shit in a <item> like that, that's totally unrealistic to secret a wand in a chair leg"
So this thread is show you some examples of genuine items that prove these nay sayers are wrong and to show you some amazing things.
This is the Writing desk of king Carlos of italy. Give this a watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9oiQQfN74c Watch as they show you some of the hidden features of it. Then think about this...all these hidden things, the master craftsmen that created this had to have done similar pieces and features on other works because these are clearly masterfully refined and practiced techniques. You don't just whip out these sorts of things one time in your career, you'd have had to have done these dozens or hundreds of times on other chairs, desks, boxes, etc to have the skills and reputation at creating them to attract a king's attention for him to commision a piece like this. So there's be hundreds if not thousands of other similar clever piece done by dozens of other craftspeople. This is just one example. I'll add more. Other fa/tg/uys, add items you've seen in the real world that confirm that fantasy tropes are rooted in reality.
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as a fellow oldgay, this post just seems like you are incredibly mad at zoomers. Just play with people your own age. I promise you'll have way more fun assuming you aren't just a 22 year old LARPing
Not mad, friend, just disappointed in how far /tg/ has fallen from what it used to be. I mean seriously, remember some of the epic threads by Ghost Clown, or Zombie Panda, That Damn mouse, and rawk lobstar and the tons of contributing anons. Seriously though, I think it's partly our fault because a lot of us oldgays should be giving the newer people here a better example of how to contribute and not be ... well... a shitheel
Then delete your thread and start over by not crying about zoomers like
said.
Contribute or stfu. There'll be no further replies to (you)
why are you mad at people lamenting about the degradation of the hobby and the ignorance of new comers, while trying to educate them ?
why your response is to just close youself in the grognard closet instead of just showing the alternatives and contrapoints to the newcomers misconceptions ?
Last I checked the hobby is doing better thsn it ever has.
Sorry that it upsets you that people are playing pretend in a way you don't like.
>Last I checked the hobby is doing better thsn it ever has.
Not by looking at how shitty /tg/s post quality has been for the last few years. Sure ttrpgs have become more popular, but it's attracted a lot of normie morons that have come here with no imagination, no talent at being creative and then they shit up the threads with /misc/ and their weak sauce. It's nice to see a post that isn't some sad general #5312 post or an ai generated bait post
>Last I checked the hobby is doing better thsn it ever has.
Like frick it is
I have no need to interact with newcomers, nor any desire to let them in. Gatekeeping is good. Sorry you feel gatekept. Make a better thread next time.
I'm not OP and you post makes no sense
Make something better to reply to then. Sorry you feel gatekept.
>you feel gatekept
but I don't
you just aren't making any sense and don't even seen able to understand what is being argued
Don't reply to the troll, sage and move on.
good point. unfortunately this whole thread is entirely someone crying about the zoomers they can ignore so there's nothing to actually discuss. The "topic" was merely a vehicle for the crying.
>crying about the zoomers
I just re-read the OPs post, failing to see anything about zoomers, anon.
They said,
> I've been seeing a lot of posts that try to suck the wonder and magic out of fantasy worlds by claiming that wonderous and fantastical things simply don't exist in the real world, and never have. Everything from "traps never existed" to "puzzles never would be used in reality" to "Noone would hide shit in a <item> like that, that's totally unrealistic to secret a wand in a chair leg"
They didn't name anyone, just said they're seeing a lot of posts like that (true), by people who are trying to suck the "wonder"(?) out of the game. How did you arrive at he's talking about zoomers? He could be talking about israelites or Black folk. Are zoomers living in your head and are to blame for everything?
The fact that he feels the need to call himself an oldgay speaks volumes.
+1
The fact that you assumed op was talking about kids and not just the general posters on /tg speaks more than anything else here. You're acting like a child and kinda proves the anon's point that you're just being butthurt because you got owned.
Anyway, to add to the thread, I add in The Sword of Saint Galgano. This is the sword that inspired the whole sword in the stone myth. It's a real sword that's been confirmed to be from the 11th century and was confirmed as the real thing in 1185 and which scientists confirm as authentic. Give it a read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galgano_Guidotti and https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/28/priceless-set-stolen-medieval-relics-finally-recovered-italy/
<<<--See this image?
This is as close as you're ever going to get to ruining this thread. You're such a failure that I had to throw you this bone
It's actually rare to find such an anon with this much concentrated butthurt on /tg/
No seriously why? Are you that desperate for any kind of attention?
Oh sorry, I think you misunderstood. I posted
I was talking about the anon posting 90432160 and all the other posts trying to ruin the thread.
Sorry for being unclear.
Aren’t you the one crying about zoomers in your walls?
>namegays
kys
t. oldgay who's been on /tg/ since day one kill me too
You did it wrong.
>This is the Writing desk of king Carlos of italy.
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>I was thinking this is a cool example of hidden features, puzzles, etc. and here is how I have been using it in my game.
>example of actual gameplay
To this and all oldgays, you talk like a gay and your shit's moronic. If you want people to engage with something you find interesting don't start by complaining about some shit no one cares about your opinions, /tg/ isn't your blog.
Post about your cool shit first. Maybe talk about your feelings if you really have to but mans shut the frick up.
Gotta agree. b***hing OPs may generate engagement but it's not the engagement you ought to be after if you claim not to be part of the problem.
I recall papal cyphers which were stored as marked prisms, the combination of faces visible corresponded to the key of the message. Must have been from early modernity if anyone other than the Church reading letters was a reasonable concern.
Naw, bro. Your shit post comes off as you just being ass mad because someone's actually contributing rather than just b***hing about how moronic their players are, or bemoaning how bad X edition is. So if you can't contribute.. .fricking lurk moar! If you can, contribute, see how fricking simple that is? Also look at the fricking theme here, this is about finding real world items that give people ideas of stuff they can incorporate into their games. Me giving examples of how I used it is doing the work for someone else and treating people like they're too fricking dumb to do it themselves. It should be pretty obvious to everyone that these examples are for them to figure out how they can incorporate this stuff for themselves. I shouldn't have to tell people how to use it, this stuff speaks for itself.
Not your bro fricko.
Old gays complaining about kids these days while being huige nogame gays isn't going to
>teach them wipersnappers a lesson
Its just someone whinging about their feelings.
>being mad is wrong somehow
I hate how neutered people have become.
>being mad is wrong somehow
But aren't you the one complaining about OP because you think he's mad?
>Old gays complaining about kids these days
I think you're the one attributing it to "kids these days" OP just said that posts on /tg/ lately have been sucking. He has a point, and your post is a prime example of posts which lack quality.
Go read the op again until you can get past the first word.
I think OP is a homosexual, I don't care that they're mad. They're loud about a problem they're bad at so this is the commentary.
>Go read the op again until you can get past the first word.
Okay!
>Oldgay here stopping by with a thread that actually contributes.
okay, he's saying he's an oldgay, I'm guessing he's trying to make a point about how /tg used to get shit done and he's being kinda a dick about it but I don't see him attacking kids so much as the quality of posts.
>Anyway, lately I've been seeing a lot of posts that try to suck the wonder and magic out of fantasy worlds by claiming that wonderous and fantastical things simply don't exist in the real world, and never have.
Yeah, still not seeing him b***hing about kids these days, gayot. Just that posts are sucking.
>Everything from "traps never existed" to "puzzles never would be used in reality" to "Noone would hide shit in a <item> like that, that's totally unrealistic to secret a wand in a chair leg"
So this thread is show you some examples of genuine items that prove these nay sayers are wrong and to show you some amazing things.
And still, no mention of kids. You're projecting, m8t.
Jesus Christ shut up you neurotic gays
>gayot accuses op of "complaining about kids these days"
>(you) gets shown to be full of shit and making shit up.
>(you)Jesus Christ shut up you neurotic gays
Projecting confirmed. Wow, zoomer, grow some thicker skin, not everything is about your useless ass. Also, stop making bullshit up. I still don't think OP was targeting you. Hmmm, no, maybe he was. He was saying this was about low qual posts on tg and your comments sure seem to qualify 🙂
Shut up you neurotic gay
>(you)S-Shut up y-you neurotic f-f-gay (Cries)
Awww, stop crying, it'll be okay
Shut up you neurotic gay
>newbie gets called out and cracks like an egg.
Anon got right under your skin,huh? I feel bad for you. Not really.
Shut up you neurotic gay
All you’ve done is ruin the thread you sociopath, seek psychiatric help
>neurotic gay is neurotic
wow, how expected.
>pedantic grognard is a pedantic grognard
what a shock.
stfu, gtfo and learn to appreciate posts with actual fricking content.
OP was not a homosexual ITT.
Why come you have no tattoo?
Next up, The Antikythera device a device of more than 2100 hundred years old that calculates the position of celestial bodies accurately. It's literally the worlds first mechanical computer and it existed before the time of Christ by all indications and indicates that there were craftspeople capable of amazing feats of engineering that preexisted the modern era and that a lot of what experts once held as ridiculous implausibility are in fact... fact. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k396J-slHaU and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTsCx0E7YkA
>craftspeople
newspeak trickling down to Ganker at last I see
Man you are seriously intent on ruining this thread, why?
If you were really an oldgay you'd already feel dead inside like I do and would only still come here to shitpost and ruin the newbie's fun the way they ruined yours. It's been eight fricking years since moot left us, why the hell are any of the rest of us still here.
Jesus Christ frick off attention prostitute
I show up to post stuff to the share thread. But it's true that most of /tg/'s catalog is worthless, most of the time now.
This thread's got some cool stuff going though, apart from the shitposters whining about zoomer persecution or whatever the frick that's all about.
>the shitposters
Pretty sure it's a single bittergay.
>If you were really an oldgay you'd already feel dead inside like I do and would only still come here to shitpost and ruin the newbie's fun
This anon seems be responsible for all the whining. Pitiable
>But it's true that most of /tg/'s catalog is worthless, most of the time now.
Op here. It doesn't have to be worthless. We can make it better. and a sincere thank you! for your work in share thread.
Oh I agree, more goodposting is what we need.
That ship has sailed frick off. If you'd been here longer you'd know there's no hope left. Go to reddit or something.
No, go have a nice day you sad sack of shit
No like I said I enjoy ruining your fun the way you ruined mine. It's all I have here now. You'll be the same way too.
Ok well go have a nice day buddy I’ll stay here
sounds like advice you should be taking, plebbitard, leave this place and let good-willed anons try to give some life back into this board. besides, I know for afact you can't wait to post screen caps of this thread on r/Ganker, you fricking fedora tipper.
Go M'lady that way, Black person.
Don’t bother he’s an no attention prostitute
Now you're getting your memes confused newbie.
Ok well go have a nice day we’ll worry about that
>Mass poster is an oldgay
You’re addicted to the dopamine. Here have another (you) to tide you over for another 5 minutes.
Pic related
I fricking hate 1920s shit and the subhumans who enjoy it
What a strange thing to be angry about, prudes will be prudes
>prudes will be prudes
What the frick prudes have to do with 1920's?
Not that gay, and don't know what drugs he's on, but that pic related is Josephine Baker, whose topless "banana dance" caused all the bluenoses to flip their shit back in the day.
Hope.
Some vain hope we might find the right words to help nudge a few Anon's in a more positive direction, like we felt the place did for us way back then.
That maybe, somehow, despite the morass of shit we see, someone else may find tat diamond in amongst the sewer we all share.
Or despair. Possibbly resignation to the fact there is literally nowhere else where a motherfricker can just... be the pain they're experiencing right now.
Maybe I'm just nuts, but this place is somehow comforting in the way that the medium is like the full spectrum of humanity screaming amongst one another, flinging poo, getting pissy, and yet out of the shit and angst, occasionally something genuinely good happens.
No this is an ocean of piss and shit now there’s nothing comforting about seeing what this place has become. There’s no point in being a ultra mega nihilist either tho
I've been here since 2009 and I can say its always been some level of shit. But being here so long I've basically been raised here. So I don't know anywhere else to go or can't adjust to anywhere else anymore. But more than that, I still like it here. I get exhausted at the latest zoom zoom political shitposting but its still home. The good still floats to the top.
We're just aging, anon. We're old. I'm 32 years old. The fun we had back then was because we were young. The youth are having fun in their own way. I hope they're having fun anyway.
The only thing we can be is an example. I try to remind people not to take everything they see here seriously, because, just like back in the day, most of the time that completely, utterly, brainless, shitpost you see is specifically crafted to make you reply, because the guy posting it gets his jollies from imagining you mad. That has never changed. 90% of shitflinging here is started by someone who doesn't genuinely believe what they post.
But now I'm ranting.
To be on topic
There's a bunch of conspiracies surrounding this little wonder. The most egregious of which is that it "so precise the greeks couldn't have made it" but those people are morons. This is one video of someone who recreated all the gearing in it by hand. I've seen a documentary with a man who hand cut all the gears, teeth and all, with period accurate tools, but I can't seem to find the specific clip.
clickspring, he made the entire thing with hand tools, made all the tools from scratch too. It's actually totally doable, and not only proves that it's possible for a skilled craftsman to accomplish in a reasonable amount of time, but that there must have been quite a few similar mechanisms around since the device itself has loads of extremely refined and elegant designs you would never think of or use for a one-off, things like earlier parts of the machine being fixture plates or tools for calibrating later parts, reinforcement in wear areas, parts designed to be fabricated in multiple passes so that several lesser artisans could pump out crude pieces and then have a master adjust and fit them together, etc...
>
I've returned here for /grog/. Now that is gone I'll likely leave again.
Will contribute to PDF share thread on ocassion though, I guess.
... stop ... typing... like this... it... s fricking dumb
That homosexual can't use commas either
>literally one ellipsis in the entire OP
Why are zoomers triggered by punctuation...?
Or the king commissions a design and craftsmen pracyice and make rnough practice pieces until they get it righg because money is no object.
Your premise is flawed. Some things are unique and rare because nobody's done it before.
>Your premise is flawed. Some things are unique and rare because nobody's done it before. (slobbering on the floor)
Stop being a lazy idiot. 10 seconds it took to find this.
(pay attention to the speaker here... cabinet makers in the past VERY OFTEN made secret drawers and secret compartments in luxury furniture. VERY OFTEN... See you learn something every day if you open your mind.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/b5OSkINZn0E
This guy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_Turk
NICE! That gives me ideas of how to use that almost instantly in a campaign. Maybe a mechanical general that gives flawless tactical advice, but that has a flaw in it's design that another mechanical general knows how to exploit
>Something something about Starwars Tactical Droid.
Oh and for how he's related to fantasy tropes he mainly reminds me of all those chess puzzles you see in shit like harry potter
did not know they had another trudeau
>IRL protagonist plot armor
ballistic protection is for NPCs
Antique french safe with a trick lock. Easy to see how if they have locks like this...they could easily do traps of similar complexity, gas trap (mustard gas) posion darts on a spring load, or any number of stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y4skhCMNy4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passetto_di_Borgo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_Necropolis
You may have already heard of this but there's an insane amount of tunnels and catacombs in the Vatican. It's like a real life Valusia. Of course there are other palaces like that and the french catacombs are probably bigger but I still think the Vatican is an interesting place, being the worlds smallest country.
Tomb traps don't actually exist, we all know that, ri- Oh,shit, wait. There are actual examples of neruo toxins, and shit being used to trap tombs. Okay, that's fun! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEVo9IrCpqI
Frickin' Archimedes up in this thread. Legends about him sinking the Romans when they tried to invade by frying them with the sun with a death ray. Myth busters claim they busted the myth as a fail, however it's since been proven via the Archimedes Palimpsest that a series of works by the ancient engineer actually did exist and contain math for limits which are needed to calculate parabolas and could be used to create parabolic mirrors that WOULD have worked to create such a weapon, and the legends are that he had other books he wrote that contained info on lenses and other inventions that have since been lost. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes_Palimpsest
Mythbusters said it didnt work because the ships didnt burn but really you just need to get the crews 10 degrees hotter and let heatstroke do its work. Also they put adam on the ship in a fireproof suit, if it were actually going to burn he probably couldnt swim to saftey in it. Oh and not to start any conspiracy theories but mythbusters always "busts" cheap methods of improvised weaponry
There was a legendary "egyptian labyrinth" that even predated the minotaur one on crete, which was said to be too mazelike to navigate without a guide, and had multiple levels, one with crocodile demons. The story grew with the telling, but it did exist. The mausoleum of the first Qin Emperor, had that terra cotta army but also an underground city with death traps and a lake of mercury. Modern technology isn't good enough to excavate it without destroying stuff.
Got another one. Time to bust the "Puzzles never existed to hide treasure" trope. I give you, The Copper Scroll. https://www.academia.edu/27665058/History_and_the_Copper_Scroll found in 1952, unique in that it is of copper (with a little tin), has a list of 63 or 64 locations of treasure with "obscure hints of the locations". It's since been verified as a real collection of "puzzles" to be solved to uncover hidden treasures. scholarly consensus seems to be emerging that the Copper Scroll is an authentic record of ancient treasure, to be dated around 68 c.E., and that its treasure belonged either to the sectarians of Qumran or the temple in Jerusalem. Pretty cool!
Shame it's so faded, I can read Mishnaic Hebrew pretty well. I could have been rich!
That whole Pinkerton scenario really does read like a bunch of murderhobos were given a simple fricking task except they couldn't help escalate it to near-violence. As a DM, I almost feel bad for WotC.
(Almost)
I like this thread. My contrib.
I remember reading about this, Ancient Mayan city found by teen using Ancient Mayan Constellation maps. Apparently this guy, William Gadoury found that mayan cities were placed based on the placement of bright stars in mayan constellations https://gizmodo.com/teen-discovers-lost-maya-city-using-ancient-star-maps-1775735999 super hotly contended, but last I heard they have not debunked it. So if true, this is a great way to hide shit and have the players discover an ancient hidden city or empire from long long ago with super dangerous magic or something. https://gizmodo.com/teen-discovers-lost-maya-city-using-ancient-star-maps-1775735999
wasnt this proven to be false
Yeah the thing seen on google mapsis most likely a corn field that's been fallow. There are thousands of them.
If there was a structure there, (which is probable, the area was heavily settled) it would belong to the nearby Mayan city of Uxul, which had archaeologists working on it for many years before this kid "discovered" a "lost city."
Mayan cities were placed according to the constraints of mountains and valleys and rivers, you couldn't just arbitrarily line them up according to star maps like it was a desert in Egypt, especially since maps as we know them were unknown to the Maya.
>puzzles never would be used in reality
This is usually about the type of puzzle. Passwords, or tests of other secret knowledge, are common enough in real life. So are hidden drawers and doors.
The kind of puzzle you see in games that never existed are the kind that ask trivia questions or pose children's tile sliding puzzles. Nobody would secure the riches of the kingdom behind a parking lot problem, and yet many novice GMs think that's a reasonable challenge to face down armed PCs.
>The kind of puzzle you see in games that never existed are the kind that ask trivia questions or pose children's tile sliding puzzles. Nobody would secure the riches of the kingdom behind a parking lot problem, and yet many novice GMs think that's a reasonable challenge to face down armed PCs
GMs use these kinds of puzzles because the average player is a god damn drop kick. And simple trivia and childrens sliding tile puzzles are easy, simple, and cheap(if you're the type to supply props for these moments) enough to be within easy enough solving for them.
Another example of what we keep seeing threads about, that Adventurers guilds cannot possibly exist.
Look up Landsknecht or the Condottieri in the Renaissance also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Society
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Explorers_Club
The British East India Company was essentially a guild that turned an entire nation into a puppet state.
Technically I suppose you could add the Knights Templar too The Knights Templar had the backing of the Pope, a massive financial empire, and a giant well equipped military and did work for hire as well as loaned out money and troops.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_(company)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkerton_(detective_agency) hah! WOTC used a adventurers guild to threaten to take back some cards a guy bought legally. They pretty much are a prime example of how a clueless bunch of adventurers handle shit, with threats and violence.
Also, during the Age of Discovery captains of ships and survey's all over the world would somewhere find people with skills like map makers, ex military mercs (for muscle and defense) Clergy, and whatnot in cities that they based their explorations out of. Everyone seemed to know precisely where you'd go to find skilled people so while they might not be called adventurers guilds, they sure as hell filled that role and worked. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Discovery
>Condottieri
>Reading.
Whoa! Capitani di ventura. Captains of Fortune, and they'd serve multiple lords or cities on tasks and they were known as "contractors" yep, adventures guilds confirmed in the real world history. Nice.
Yeah, that's how mercenaries worked since Grug figured out he can give Ug a fur and few stone spears to go beat up someone for him.
Pirates didn't generally bury their treasure, but you could still find buried treasure.
Where you might ask?
>UNDER THE SEA!
All those Spanish Treasure galleons lost in storms or fights or what have you would sit on the ocean floor, often in pretty shallow water.
And what's really cool is that even around the time they were lost, random people would send expeditions to go recover the silver. Sometimes you'd have free divers, or diving bells, or other ways of getting it back up.
And one or two pirates did bury their treasure on land, generally because they were about to get caught.
What did he keep in all those secret drawers?
Probably important documents, family israeliteelry, rainy day cash, secret leters
Something really valuable or damaging/dangerous to someone. Probably something really worth stealing. Or hard candies covered in pocket lint and toy soldiers
Not to mention-- stamp seals / wax stamps were a big deal. I'd like to imagine any person of political importance much less a king would use a compartment small enough to hold a seal would do so even if all it would do would prevent the household maids from getting sticky fingers.
Hints to opening the other secret drawers.
I mean the whole concept of adventures and such are essentially just knight errants and mercy.
*mercenaries
>Literal bot-post
>Oldgay here
So is this just a fetish or what?
>3
Dude, bots don't make cogent arguments, reference the actual content of the stuff linked to and tie the examples of multiple disparate items together and interrelate them. If this was a bot post, then that bot would genuinely pass actual turing tests. So, nope, not a bot.
The OP is Ifuritasfan. Here's a thread from 2010 off suptg. https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2010/9942500/#9944215 looks like they're semi respectable. Lots of good content on painting in this thread. Gives credit to people, answers questions, and might not be a complete homosexual.
There was a guy in real life who had a prosthetic hand with a built-in black power pistol, not unlike Guts from Berserk. AFAIK Miura didn't know this dude existed. Though he did like to draw directly from historical artifacts for shit he drew in Berserk.
The frickiest part of this is that the guy's name was Götz.
The dudes name was even Göts or something like that. I think Miura was either lying or forgot when he denied knowing about the guy.
can you guys shut the frick up and actually post cool stuff
>Talos was a giant automaton made of bronze to protect Europa in Crete from pirates and invaders. He circled the island's shores three times daily.
>She found him busy with his bellows, sweating and hard at work, for he was making twenty tripods that were to stand by the wall of his house, and he set wheels of gold under them all that they might go of their own selves to the assemblies of the gods, and come back again—marvels indeed to see. They were finished all but the ears of cunning workmanship which yet remained to be fixed to them: these he was now fixing, and he was hammering at the rivets.
Iliad 18.373–380
>There were golden handmaids also who worked for him, and were like real young women, with sense and reason, voice also and strength, and all the learning of the immortals; these busied themselves as the king bade them…
Iliad 18.417–421
>golden handmaids also who worked for him, and were like real young women, with sense and reason
>With sense and reason
For frick's sake, they just got done saying they were like real young women. Unreadable.
>examples of items that actually exist
>legends without any evidence, probably based on Collosus of Rhodes
>Isaac Newton was obsessed with alchemy to the point of nervous breakdown, and also studied chronology and prophecy. He predicted the world would end “no earlier than 2060”.
Well shit, so far he's been right. That's a better track record than most.
This whole thread.
Zoomers crying about boomers crying about zoomers.
Well I'm Gen X, and you are all buttholes and the reason my generation are nihilists, junkies, school shooters, suicides and MUSICIANS.
Anyhoo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunstone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qanat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrolabe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_piston
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crookes_radiometer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_bird
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boomerang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hang_(instrument)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puzzle_box
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cipher_disk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_disk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_harmonica
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolian_harp
http://dataphys.org/list/houfeng-didong-yi-zhang-hengs-seismoscope/
This book might help.
https://archive.org/details/secretchambershi00feaa/
And this, although you have to join IA to "borrow".
https://archive.org/details/hiddenbritainsec0000nich
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad_Battery
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot-in-pot_refrigerator
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrud_lens
https://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/museum/leeuwenhoek.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windcatcher
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_concrete
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salsabil_(fountain)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leyden_jar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_fire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armillary_sphere
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wootz_steel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulat_steel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus_steel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digesting_Duck
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomical_clock
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo%27s_robot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karakuri_puppet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Swan_(automaton)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipu%27s_Tiger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peawiener_Clock
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camera_obscura
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_glass
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper%27s_ghost
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suikinkutsu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repeating_crossbow
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South-pointing_chariot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lodestone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolipile
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Room
Carlo Alberto lived 1798-1849, so not really that old, but still impressive.
Now watch this from the same time period.
https://stolenhistory.net/threads/1680-cannon-with-oval-lumen-what-is-it.4957/
I don't think I've ever heard people complain that traps never existed, or that unconventional hiding spots existed.
Who says this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Ingenious_Devices
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tecaxic-Calixtlahuaca_head
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piri_Reis_map
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lost_inventions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithridate
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/medieval-man-used-knife-prosthetic-limb-180968837/
>Items that actually exist
>confirm fantasy tropes
??? this thread is silly
A fictional setting can be different in any amount of ways, and doesn't require real-world historical accuracy unless you want it to. Players can't possibly know every little cultural and technological advancement in your setting's history so there's no reason for them to pretend like they know whether something would exist or not.
Don't argue with your dipshit players over what's "realistic", because they're either trying to cheat by getting you to reveal information their characters shouldn't have, or they're trying to cheat by getting you to retcon what you were talking about and re-negotiate the scenario in their characters' favour.
Ah, you're one of the whiny ones with nothing to contribute.
Also:
>Holy frick, we have page 11 now?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derinkuyu_underground_city
--> For that underground fortress city
>It is large enough to have sheltered as many as 20,000 people together with their livestock and food stores.
Daaang
>the master craftsmen that created this had to have done similar pieces and features on other works because these are clearly masterfully refined and practiced techniques.
The techniques are woodworking techniques, they're masterfully executed because the work was done by a master woodworker. The wood itself doesn't start behaving differently just because it's to be used for a secret compartment, it doesn't know anything about that, and if you think "oh this guy makes tons of secret compartments" is the only thing that may have drawn the king to order from him then you need to just stop, sit down, and spend some time looking at your own picture of the desk.
But hey, you're butthurt about one or multiple of your players not being impressed by this totally cool and awesome thing you were so hyped up about putting into your game (I get a feeling they didn't think to spam search checks in the room with this desk you were gushing so about until they rolled high enough to spot the masterfully hidden stuff they needed to progress the plot) so let's ignore all that.
Damn, who hurt you, anon?
Slammed his balls in a secret chamber.
Not sure about things that confirm that fantasy tropes are rooted in reality, but some old tech is mind-boggling.
Just imagine how different the world would've been if steam cars managed to hold their own against internal combustion. We might've live in an actual steampunk.
What's crazier is that the Greeks had steam powered curiosities. They had the concept and knowledge to build steam engines, but didn't have quite have the metallurgy to really take advantage of them (and some have said they didn't really have the need/inclination due to slave labor either).
Reminds me of the recent discussion I've saw about WHFB (I'm not much into it myself, if at all). One anon maintained that Empire only that much Steam Tanks because they really do not have much incintive to build another - too much hussle and literally nothing that can't be achieved by infantry and other stuff.
Also, here are couple pics of another steamboat that I've found fascinating.
The whole thread makes me think that couple decades later people will think zeppelins are magic and were rather rare. Though back in the days they were rather common and they've had big plans to make them even more common and reliable. Even made several airships out of steel - bonkers.
Funny thing is airships might even make a comeback. The amazon mothership is a good example of a modern airship.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_(submersible)
http://www.psubs.org/pic/tank.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uru_people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maw%C3%A9_people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monowheel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal-clad_airship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6tz_von_Berlichingen
I mean, don't forget that the pyramids were built more than 4000 years ago. Things egyptians could make out of glass, for example, are mesmerizing as well.
All in all humans in AD have not advanced as far as most people think. Save for the electricity and computers, of course, which pretty much turned out whole world upside down.
It has nothing to do with Oldgays or newbies and everything to do with Realismgays. While real life magic items are nice, I tend to filter them in aj easier method. Just wait until you tell then your fantasy world doesn't operate under the laws of physics and instead the Song of Eru and medicine is determined by the four humors and watch them blow a gasket lmao
https://talesoftimesforgotten.com/2021/12/23/nabis-the-last-king-of-sparta-and-his-torture-robot/
https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/a40217256/hostile-aliens/
Neat. By why didn't you just talk about the desk instead of being a whiny shithead?
Why did you post in the thread though? Guess you and OP are even now.
Dude, touch grass.
Frick that, it's cold and raining outside.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedlec_Ossuary
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_of_Soissons
http://www.coolstuffinparis.com/wolves_of_paris.php
That’s great weather for walking.
Anon, our world is powered by magic rocks.