Explain how Bethesda fell between Skyrim to Starfield, and if you think they can make a comeback. IMO Fallout 4 was the worst bethesda game narrative wise (I dont know about Starfield, its gameplay was trash so I didnt bother and I never heard about anything else, if theres some secret amazing plot I wouldnt know) but between 76 (after updates) and the show, I think they could salvage the good will they lost and make more decent products. Far Harbor was pretty good, and 76 made me feel emotions some times
Starfield is the logical next point on the enshittification scale. What's not to understand?
Skyrim wasn't that good.
from what I heard, starfield's story is complete dogshit. Even worse than fo4. (watched 3 hour video essay/review)
Now do Fallout 3's story.
NTA but im a Fallout 3 story believer, its kino. Could have been written better, but the pieces are there. Fallout 4's story is pure garbage tho
>"my son, do not let the Enclave push the button"
>"the wasteland will have pure water either way, but you must push the button before the Enclave"
>"it's... what your mother wanted..."
Yeah. real kino, there
The Enclave poison the water and the wasteland and kill everyone in it, how the frick is that the same?
>kill everyone in it
Either you're purposely lying or you're exactly as moronic as you seem. Post proof
moron, everyone in the wastes has been exposed to Radiation. The Enclaves plan is genocide every irradiated idiot, which would include all their foot soldiers. Its a stupid plan, but youre even stupider for not understanding why its stupid
Outer Worlds. Thats all
>kill everyone
Only Eden wants that Black person.
Only Eden wants that, dumbfrick. August doesn't want it, and he's the ultimate boogeyman your dad dies opposing.
Anyway, maybe stop lifting your arguments from Google. moron.
Autumn worked for Eden, Autumn gets the Water, Eden then uploads kill everyone.exe. Its the ultimate plan of the Enclave to do so, unless you have some headcanon about Autumn killing Eden or disobeying orders. Youre moronic to think this isnt the major goal of the Enclave with the water, even if the fodder dont realize. Plus, giving the source of water to the Enclave isnt a good idea, do you honestly think theyd use it for good? Did you fall for Sneedclave memes? Theyre an objectively evil facist paramilitary you shouldnt join or support
>disobeying orders.
He does that when you get to ravenrock. But the funniest thing about it is how flabbergasted he gets when you tell him the president is an AI.
He disobeyed orders to do something he thinks will protect the Enclave from the obvious threat that is (you)
I really doubt Autumn would disobey something as simple as "Put a tube in a tube hole and hit a button, this is for America" compared to "Let the psychopath whos dad died telling him how evil we, and after we kidnapped him, to come see me, the president, alone. Also give him all his weapons and free reign over our facility lol"
No one is saying FO3 has good writing, but at least dont be a dumb frick about whats wrong with it. There are plenty of other reasons FO3 has bad writing then your mad up shit
>Autumn worked for Eden, Autumn gets the Water, Eden *cope cope cope cope cope*
Not the point. Only Eden knows what his plan is until he tells the player at the end of the story.
Liam Neeson dies and tells you that you should die too before the player ever learns this.
Even if the player definitively chooses not to poison the water and kill Eden, the game makes you have a nice day to avoid purifying the water, because the Enclave might get the credit for it, and that would be heckin' bad.
The more you defend Fallout 3's story, the more moronic you sound.
Also, you somehow survive the massive radiation poisoning because DUH.
>Not the point. Only Eden knows what his plan is until he tells the player at the end of the story.
Yeah, thats kind of the point of secret genocide plots dumb ass. That doesnt mean that only the player character can be Edens puppet, its his plan and he runs the Enclave. This is like saying without the player the Legion will never attack the dam, dont be an idiot.
>Liam Neeson dies and tells you that you should die too before the player ever learns this.
Maybe because the Enclave are evil scumbags and everyone knows it and whatever they plan to do with the water obviously cant be good.
>Even if the player definitively chooses not to poison the water and kill Eden, the game makes you have a nice day to avoid purifying the water, because the Enclave might get the credit for it, and that would be heckin' bad.
No? Did you play the fricking game? You have to have a nice day because the radiation is leaking and someone needs to input the code. Enclave or not someone needs to do it, even power armor wont protect you. This is a completely separate issue
>The more you defend Fallout 3's story, the more moronic you sound.
Or maybe youre moronic and cant understand the world still keeps going without the player characters involvement in everything. Eden would still poison the water his faction now controls with or without you doing it for him, he will just get some other lackey. Again, to not believe this would happen is to believe the Legion would never attack the dam without the courier.
Again, not the issue we are talking about even if a valid complaint. I dont think Fo3 is that good of a story even if I dont hate it, but at least hate it for real reasons instead of tying yourself into knots making up bullshit that doesnt make sense like "Enclave are actually good guys who wont poison the water like their leader wants we swear!"
Fallout 3's story is fine and the hatred for it is overblown by NVgays conflating it with the ending.
>3dog and the ghouls look your way
You don't have to be a nvgay to see how shitty the writing is.
I like 3, but the main quest is not good. Main quests are something Besthesda hasn't really ever been great at, so much so that ignoring the main quests in TES is a tradition for some long time fans.
I genuinely dont understand whats stopping them from simply hiring good writiers, it cant be hard. Instead they get morons like Emil. Everyone for decades has pointed out Bethesdas major flaw is writing, thats it. Every issue usually traces back to that, gameplay is mostly nitpicks if were being honest.
Fricking so? The Enclave still will kill everyone if they succeed, knowingly or not.
>The Enclave still will kill everyone if they succeed
Where's the proof for that? It's not Autumn's goal mind you.
Main quest is fine for what it is, the issue is that it's a pretty linear one for a Fallout game. A lot of people had issues with the ending specifically because of that but I just take it for what it is, it makes it more enjoyable.
Bethesda's writing was bad since Oblivion.
>Explain how Bethesda fell between Skyrim to Starfield
gaming gained a large new audience during that time, and when something gets more popular, you must (from the publisher's perspective) take less risk and blandify it enough
The frick is this? How do I get rid of this new setting I hate it
pls help
>moron defending Fallout 3's story is moronic
OH NO NO NO NO NONO NONON
Not like FO4 is any better though.
Didn't Starfield have a much larger team than Skyrim? Like 2 or 3 times the size? That would explain it. Larger team sizes lead to less creative input from individual employees, they just become cogs in a machine, and they have to have constant meetings to organize everyone. Smaller teams lead to richer games.
Larger team and no central design document, only localized design documents for each team.
On the topic of some people thinking Fallout 3 has good story and writing while others think it's complete dogshit: Consider the diarrhoea of college writing assignment pretentiousness that is Bioshock Infinite AND the reaction it got from the gaming press at the time, calling it the most amazing interactive literary magnum ever and proof of video games being real echter Kunst.
Discourse on quality of writing in video games is dead. Dogshit writing in open-world exploration-centered games is considered "fun" and dogshit shallow political and social commentaries that only a high schooler should be given a pass for considering deep are called "smart".
Could be worse I guess, a large chunk of its audience considers Hazbin Hotel's writing "good".
Sometimes I wonder how different the world would look if Obsidian got to keep making fallout games and as their studio diminished in quality over time people who harp on them and beg Bethesda to be allowed to use the IP again. Genuinely what do you think Obsidian would do with he IP if given the chance to keep using it, more NCR games?
At the bare minimum it would still be an RPG.
If obsidian kept making fallout, it would free Bethesda to make more elder scrolls, which would have a similar decline in quality.
Chances are we’d be in the exact same scenario of bemoaning how both of them went down the shitter so nobody can take over.
It's been falling since forever. Starfield is just some boomer lead thinking it's still 2008. Their marketing lies in recent years haven't been helping either.
Brand new IP, so no part of the setting was safe from Todd and Emil.
>factions
Two superficially distinct groups that fought in the past but are now at peace, there's no real conflict to drive a story forward.
Ah, and space bandits to populate space bandit camps and give the player something to fight.
>map
A handful of actual locations + practically infinite empty worldspaces and randomly copypasted space dungeons.
>main story
Muh space dragonborn, except you don't get to see anything as cool as a dragon.
Is the praise of skyrim nostalgia talking? I remember it having the worst writing of any game that I've ever played.
People defend Oblivion's writing anon.
>but between 76 (after updates) and the show, I think they could salvage the good will they lost and make more decent products.
Black person the tv show is horse manure and astroturfed to hell and fallout 76 is even worse and was always a mistake and failure. There aint no goodwill left if you are a normal fan.
GO back to your containment site mutie
honestly after recently playing fallout 4 and then going back to starfield starfield does feel like an improvement. the problem is when you start playing other games and realise that starfield has a setting and gameplay that just do not intersect. why the frick can i become a millionaire by bartering away assault rifles and why is there a city full of people pretending to be cowboys that somehow won a war
> why the frick can i become a millionaire by bartering away assault rifles and why is there a city full of people pretending to be cowboys that somehow won a war
Why did you switch from Starfield to New Vegas randomly?
god that game is fricking ugly
whats wrong with stylized graphics if you can't into realistic shit
i don't like new vegas either
>why do people in a region where one of the main professions in ranching act like cowboys
You really didn’t think this one through.
The reality is that Bethesda never fell, they have always made shit games that look amazing for its time due to the scale. And modders fixing the game for Bethesda. The problem is that Bethesda never learnt how to make good games and it was only a matter of time before the audiences realized it. This is like a football player who became a star due to sheer athleticism and never learnt the fundamentals, then his career felt apart once age and injuries took away him athleticism. Square Enix is going through the exact same problem right now.
I kept wondering how Bethesda managed to go from Morrowind to Oblivion/Fallout 3 with such frickton of marketing behind it for a rather shallow open world. But looking closer at it it all dawned on me: Morrowind was made with the Original Xbox in mind and was the only game besides Halo: CE on that console managing to stay in top ten sales for over a year. And then it all makes sense how they knew consoles was where the money was at with less roleplaying mechanics and fully voiced characters.
Bethesda fell between morrowind and the morrowind expansions idiot
Because it turns out progressively dumbing shit down and cutting corners can only go so far. And re-releasing the same game for a decade isn’t a good business model in the long run.