They were never stated to be magically manifested from imagination
They were only ever mentioned being from other timelines from a younger professor that never actually obtained them yet, and only says they want to. This contrasts with the ai professor that actually witness where the paradoxes come from, and the game is consistent at that point in calling the past/future pokemon.
Pokémon from a timeline where things are still prehistoric and Pokémon from a timeline where the Pokémon species are robots. Think of how in the TCG games, Pokémon are just playing cards.
Okay but the devs' view on alternate timelines has always been worlds with barely any differences and the events just shifted around slightly. So Past Paradoxes, even though they are ancestors to modern pokemon, are being pulled from another timeline where evolution just happened later, and vice versa with the future.
>Okay but the devs' view on alternate timelines has always been worlds with barely any differences
No it hasn’t. The biggest indicator of this is ORAS where they made a point where one timeline exists that is completely absent of Mega Evolution and never had to deal with a world ending meteor. Shut up.
You mean the ORAS that’s literally just RSE but SLIGHTLY different events? The same one that implies every save is another universe that connect via link cable? The one that has the same general main story but at a shifted point on the timeline (relative to other games)? Oh yeah, that ORAS. That proves my point.
Have you played any Gen 7 game at all?
Yes, I have. The games that employ another framework of the multiverse concept where. The universe so googolplex-ly big there are entire worlds worth of repetition? That’s a completely seperate discussion.
>You mean the ORAS that’s literally just RSE but SLIGHTLY different events?
The region has a completely different backstory, the legends have completely different lore, there is a clan of people living there that don’t exist in RSE, a giant tree with a special flower that doesn’t exist in RSE, etc etc. Even the characters have different motives, story arcs, and Pokémon in general. Why did you make something up and deliberately ignoring things in order to make a point?
I’m not denying there are differences you fricking mongoloid. I’m saying none of them are to the point of being unrecognizable different worlds like in the case of people thinking the paradoxes are from. In all of your examples (some of which are pure headcanon) all of them demonstrate an extremely similar world where general events play out similarly.
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>I’m saying none of them are to the point of being unrecognizable different worlds
Literally every single fricking world in Ultra Space completely invalidates whatever moronic point you are trying to make, homosexual.
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As already stated, Gen 7 used a different means of “multiverse” that relies on our universe just being terribly huge that there are worlds that repeat. Why do you think they’re a certain amount of light years away from us?
>as usual they've picked up one throwaway line (this time one that wasn't even translated correctly) and turned it into their entire argument despite the entire game directly telling them they're wrong
That's the timegay cope because they STILL can't comprehend what the plot is actually about. ID gave us a dozen more confirmations that time travel has nothing to do with the paradox origins and yet they can't help grasping onto the same exact line from the same exact person that believes otherwise.
...Even though the game explains in the same breath how they came to that conclusion.
>let me ignore that the only thing the game calls them is Pokemon from the past and future and never refutes itself!
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Which examples were headcanon?
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We don’t know for sure that the Draconids and the big tree don’t exist in the RSE universe. And the pokemon being newer is just a retcon like every other remake except BDSP.
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>some pokemon looking more like dinosaurs or robots in alternate timelines is unrealistic >but alternate timelines where pokemon have a completely different elemental typing that outright doesn't exist in some timelines is fair game
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When did I make a point about what’s realistic or not? This is a fictional universe/multiverse. All I’m discussing is what the game actually says, and it’s littered with them being called ancient/future pokemon. Even in promo material and other media like the TCG. I don’t even get what your second point implies. Ultra beasts? Tera?
Look at it this way, Scarlet the world of Pokemon if a meteorite had never fallen and wiped out the fossilmons.
Violet the world of Pokemon after a second meteor and it will wipe out 99% of the species and the few remaining humans (or an AI) dedicated themselves to creating reploids.
Close but no cigar. That ignores the obvious telegraphing of ancestors/descendants that they are, as they look way too similar to modern pokemon. I see it as they are in our timeline as well, just that we didn't get them from there. They happen to exist in other timelines as well that are just shifted forward or backwards in evolutionary progression, and that that's where we got them from. That way, there is no contradiction. They can still be ancestors and descendants of OUR pokemon while sill being from "alternate" timelines.
That sucks. I can imagine someone mentioning imagination to them and them just laughing and asking where the frick they got that idea from. or the more likely “Haha, I really don’t know” they’ll inevitably give
they're from the past and future, nothing to explain >inb4 muh alternate universes muh ultra beasts
if you said this to the people who wrote the game they'd laugh in your face
the past ones are convergent evolution, the present day Pokemon that they resemble aren't actually dinosaurs
the future ones are either robots or cyborgs that were designed to resemble the present day Pokemon which they use as a basis
reminder that the multiverse shit is what imaginationgays picked up when their delusions got blown the frick out, as usual they've picked up one throwaway line (this time one that wasn't even translated correctly) and turned it into their entire argument despite the entire game directly telling them they're wrong
>as usual they've picked up one throwaway line (this time one that wasn't even translated correctly) and turned it into their entire argument despite the entire game directly telling them they're wrong
That's the timegay cope because they STILL can't comprehend what the plot is actually about. ID gave us a dozen more confirmations that time travel has nothing to do with the paradox origins and yet they can't help grasping onto the same exact line from the same exact person that believes otherwise.
...Even though the game explains in the same breath how they came to that conclusion.
>ahhh but you see, the thing i'm clearly doing is actually what YOU'RE doing! i won't elaborate, just ignore the truth like me!
wow, they haven't even changed their arguments from the imagination era
Pokémon from different timelines. The whole Pokémon universe is one big multiverse. Someone said it earlier, but it’s like the TCG games or web series where Pokémon are just trading cards like Yu-Gi-Oh. Even our universe is probably just one of a billion different Pokémon timelines.
we don't know because the writers listened to the fedora tipping pseuds about how leaving major plot points completely unexplained is great because leaving things open to interpretation is always better than telling a cohesive story apparently
They're Paradoxes. No, you don't get to know what the Paradox is, because then you have an explanation that makes them stop being Paradoxes. Dumbfrick.
But that's not the paradox at play with the Paradox Pokemon. The paradox is that they were introduced to the timeline our game takes place in through a nonlinear fashion with no discernable origin point because each of those periods where they appear are equally viable points of origin from a nonlinear perspective of the timeline.
They could've first appeared due to the Professor and then get grandfathered back into Heath's era, or they could've first appeared during Heath's expedition because of the magic jackoff crystals triggering for reasons unknown. Or they could have first appeared for ANOTHER reason altogether we're not yet aware of, and then THAT'S what led to their eventual appearance in Heath's expedition, which would later go on to inspire the Professor to create the time machine so they could appear once more by being deliberately summoned via said time machine.
>the grandfather paradox?
A grandfather paradox would imply their origin is traced back to an event like the crystal pool rather than actually the past or future.
So, in other words, imagination theory. But of course timegays are adamant on saying it actually means the exact opposite because their headcanons dictate it.
>only exist in present thanks to Sada/Turo bringing them from past/future with their time machine >somehow Heath was able to discover them long before these events inspiring the professor to make the time machine in the first place >Arven even brings this up in post game content
That's it that's the paradox.
They're Pokemon that can only exist through a paradox. For example, a Jigglypuff goes back in time, evolves (naturally) to become scram tail, then evolves (naturally) to go back to being Jiggypuff.
>cryptids popularized by famous esoteric author and shady occult magazines that appear in the mysterious, Garden of Eden-like chasm in the middle of the region after a deceased insane professor and their AI double fetch them from ancient/futuristic timelines using the crystalized power of the millenary last survivor of a species of creatures capable of displacing things in the multiverse full of infinite possibilities
they’re pokemon from alternate timelines
This is not a fanfic thread.
Its stated in the games
They were never stated to be magically manifested from imagination
They were only ever mentioned being from other timelines from a younger professor that never actually obtained them yet, and only says they want to. This contrasts with the ai professor that actually witness where the paradoxes come from, and the game is consistent at that point in calling the past/future pokemon.
Arceus is so cruel
Imagination
Pokémon from a timeline where things are still prehistoric and Pokémon from a timeline where the Pokémon species are robots. Think of how in the TCG games, Pokémon are just playing cards.
Okay but the devs' view on alternate timelines has always been worlds with barely any differences and the events just shifted around slightly. So Past Paradoxes, even though they are ancestors to modern pokemon, are being pulled from another timeline where evolution just happened later, and vice versa with the future.
I like to think the past paradox timeline is stuck forever no one will ever progress
>Okay but the devs' view on alternate timelines has always been worlds with barely any differences
No it hasn’t. The biggest indicator of this is ORAS where they made a point where one timeline exists that is completely absent of Mega Evolution and never had to deal with a world ending meteor. Shut up.
You mean the ORAS that’s literally just RSE but SLIGHTLY different events? The same one that implies every save is another universe that connect via link cable? The one that has the same general main story but at a shifted point on the timeline (relative to other games)? Oh yeah, that ORAS. That proves my point.
Yes, I have. The games that employ another framework of the multiverse concept where. The universe so googolplex-ly big there are entire worlds worth of repetition? That’s a completely seperate discussion.
So you’re just arguing just to argue. I don’t have the time to get into disingenuous runarounds. Talking to walls aren’t my strong suit.
>You mean the ORAS that’s literally just RSE but SLIGHTLY different events?
The region has a completely different backstory, the legends have completely different lore, there is a clan of people living there that don’t exist in RSE, a giant tree with a special flower that doesn’t exist in RSE, etc etc. Even the characters have different motives, story arcs, and Pokémon in general. Why did you make something up and deliberately ignoring things in order to make a point?
I’m not denying there are differences you fricking mongoloid. I’m saying none of them are to the point of being unrecognizable different worlds like in the case of people thinking the paradoxes are from. In all of your examples (some of which are pure headcanon) all of them demonstrate an extremely similar world where general events play out similarly.
>I’m saying none of them are to the point of being unrecognizable different worlds
Literally every single fricking world in Ultra Space completely invalidates whatever moronic point you are trying to make, homosexual.
As already stated, Gen 7 used a different means of “multiverse” that relies on our universe just being terribly huge that there are worlds that repeat. Why do you think they’re a certain amount of light years away from us?
>let me ignore that the only thing the game calls them is Pokemon from the past and future and never refutes itself!
Which examples were headcanon?
We don’t know for sure that the Draconids and the big tree don’t exist in the RSE universe. And the pokemon being newer is just a retcon like every other remake except BDSP.
>some pokemon looking more like dinosaurs or robots in alternate timelines is unrealistic
>but alternate timelines where pokemon have a completely different elemental typing that outright doesn't exist in some timelines is fair game
When did I make a point about what’s realistic or not? This is a fictional universe/multiverse. All I’m discussing is what the game actually says, and it’s littered with them being called ancient/future pokemon. Even in promo material and other media like the TCG. I don’t even get what your second point implies. Ultra beasts? Tera?
Bro gen1 starts with 2 main timelines. Yellow adds 3rd one.
Johto games confirms that with timemachine. Where mons travel through time and space.
>completely absent of Mega Evolution and never had to deal with a world ending meteor
The universe hates megas so much it's trying to destroy it.
Have you played any Gen 7 game at all?
Look at it this way, Scarlet the world of Pokemon if a meteorite had never fallen and wiped out the fossilmons.
Violet the world of Pokemon after a second meteor and it will wipe out 99% of the species and the few remaining humans (or an AI) dedicated themselves to creating reploids.
Close but no cigar. That ignores the obvious telegraphing of ancestors/descendants that they are, as they look way too similar to modern pokemon. I see it as they are in our timeline as well, just that we didn't get them from there. They happen to exist in other timelines as well that are just shifted forward or backwards in evolutionary progression, and that that's where we got them from. That way, there is no contradiction. They can still be ancestors and descendants of OUR pokemon while sill being from "alternate" timelines.
this is what the game is actually saying (if they even meant to be from other timelines at all), don't let anyone convince you otherwise anon
cooler pokemon
SV proves any pokemon can be a legendary if things are play out in their favor
If you haven't figured it out by now you're never going to
Can someone just interview the director already? Headcanon squashing is getting tiresome....
After what you people put them through during SWSH? lol
That sucks. I can imagine someone mentioning imagination to them and them just laughing and asking where the frick they got that idea from.
or the more likely “Haha, I really don’t know” they’ll inevitably give
Ultra Beasts
>t.
they're from the past and future, nothing to explain
>inb4 muh alternate universes muh ultra beasts
if you said this to the people who wrote the game they'd laugh in your face
UBs are just pokemon from ultra space
the past ones are convergent evolution, the present day Pokemon that they resemble aren't actually dinosaurs
the future ones are either robots or cyborgs that were designed to resemble the present day Pokemon which they use as a basis
reminder that the multiverse shit is what imaginationgays picked up when their delusions got blown the frick out, as usual they've picked up one throwaway line (this time one that wasn't even translated correctly) and turned it into their entire argument despite the entire game directly telling them they're wrong
>as usual they've picked up one throwaway line (this time one that wasn't even translated correctly) and turned it into their entire argument despite the entire game directly telling them they're wrong
That's the timegay cope because they STILL can't comprehend what the plot is actually about. ID gave us a dozen more confirmations that time travel has nothing to do with the paradox origins and yet they can't help grasping onto the same exact line from the same exact person that believes otherwise.
...Even though the game explains in the same breath how they came to that conclusion.
>ahhh but you see, the thing i'm clearly doing is actually what YOU'RE doing! i won't elaborate, just ignore the truth like me!
wow, they haven't even changed their arguments from the imagination era
Pokémon from different timelines. The whole Pokémon universe is one big multiverse. Someone said it earlier, but it’s like the TCG games or web series where Pokémon are just trading cards like Yu-Gi-Oh. Even our universe is probably just one of a billion different Pokémon timelines.
we don't know because the writers listened to the fedora tipping pseuds about how leaving major plot points completely unexplained is great because leaving things open to interpretation is always better than telling a cohesive story apparently
lol they can just keep pumping out pokemon forever
I want more space pokemon
Glad they stopped making them all psychic type too
you forgot Kyurem
That story was bs kyurem is just a husk of shell they probably just punted the poor bastard and it landed in the cavern
Its moveset implies it’s from space.
Maybe the OD is from space?
Touchè Kyreum still deserves to be punted into next week tho
>they have spikes and skin teeth lmao!
>it's a robot lmao!
paradox mons were unarguably a mistake
They're Paradoxes. No, you don't get to know what the Paradox is, because then you have an explanation that makes them stop being Paradoxes. Dumbfrick.
Are you saying you're so dumb you can't conceptualize the grandfather paradox?
But that's not the paradox at play with the Paradox Pokemon. The paradox is that they were introduced to the timeline our game takes place in through a nonlinear fashion with no discernable origin point because each of those periods where they appear are equally viable points of origin from a nonlinear perspective of the timeline.
They could've first appeared due to the Professor and then get grandfathered back into Heath's era, or they could've first appeared during Heath's expedition because of the magic jackoff crystals triggering for reasons unknown. Or they could have first appeared for ANOTHER reason altogether we're not yet aware of, and then THAT'S what led to their eventual appearance in Heath's expedition, which would later go on to inspire the Professor to create the time machine so they could appear once more by being deliberately summoned via said time machine.
>the grandfather paradox?
A grandfather paradox would imply their origin is traced back to an event like the crystal pool rather than actually the past or future.
So, in other words, imagination theory. But of course timegays are adamant on saying it actually means the exact opposite because their headcanons dictate it.
>only exist in present thanks to Sada/Turo bringing them from past/future with their time machine
>somehow Heath was able to discover them long before these events inspiring the professor to make the time machine in the first place
>Arven even brings this up in post game content
That's it that's the paradox.
We need to turn that damn machine back on now that we have turo/sada book again
Future Pokemon look way, way better.
you are the only person i have ever heard say this
They're Pokemon that can only exist through a paradox. For example, a Jigglypuff goes back in time, evolves (naturally) to become scram tail, then evolves (naturally) to go back to being Jiggypuff.
>cryptids popularized by famous esoteric author and shady occult magazines that appear in the mysterious, Garden of Eden-like chasm in the middle of the region after a deceased insane professor and their AI double fetch them from ancient/futuristic timelines using the crystalized power of the millenary last survivor of a species of creatures capable of displacing things in the multiverse full of infinite possibilities
There you go
They’re new versions of pokemon you like so that you keep consooming