>explore all Kitakami and do as many missions and raids until I have the dex complete sans for the legendaries
>finally decide to go to the place I left for last, the crystal pond in the center of the map
>suddenly an arrangement of the Area Zero music in a lake where people see their dead relatives
>shivers from something I played not even a year ago
Goddamn you have no idea how much I like this game. God bless whoever wanted to go eerie and crazy with SV themes and story.
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>a lake where people see their dead relatives
timesisters...its over...Imaginationchads were right all along
Stop, moron. They are already dead.
I wonder why they picked a choir singing for any area with tera crystals in it. almost like it’s a hymn or something
It's almost like story and mood are what gives a game soul and actually touches your feelings and makes it likeable and memorable.
I honestly wonder if they got inspired by this
It just sounds too similar, from the instruments to the very specific sound of the chanting (which was inspired by Bulgarian women's choirs, a VERY specific thing that Kenji Kawai got inspired by for this piece when he made it)
Also
>the title
HMMM
Yeah I don't see the similarities
Well yeah you're supposed to hear them dummy
Holy frick though, your post inspired within me the image of like an esoteric pokemon game that goes into deep philosophical themes. Why can’t we have good writers bro?
The player can't tell without looking into the code but the Milotic you fight in the pond is actually a Ghost teratype
The same pokemon that leaves a piece of crystal behind after you defeat it, right before Briar shows up talking about how the crystals emit the same energy as tera crystals
This is obviously not suspicious at all
or how you can only find feebas in oni mountain but the lone milotic that’d normally need a trainer to help it evolve was carrying tera crystals
>but the Milotic you fight in the pond is actually a Ghost teratype
Source?? i'm actually quite curious because holy frick
Huh, seems to be correct. I don't think it even Terastalizes during the battle? And you can't catch it either. What the frick
>Ghost milotic from the lake where you can meet dead people/pokemon
Frick holy fricking frick
ohh and that’s how it connects to the loyal 3 getting revived.
the only connection I can think of is because the pond lets you talk to ghost images of dead people because of the tera crystals. and those tera crystals then rubbed off on milotic. huh, neat
It’s also based on an oarfish which are called Messenger of the Dragon Palace in Japanese. The same Dragon Palace in Urashima Taro which has parallels with Indigo Disk and Terapagos
FRICK
>It's actually ghost Tera
That's actually fricking kino. Yeah, it's not time travel at all.
>ghost tera
>Heath as a character with dialogue datamined twice
>seeing dead people at the pond
>Ogerpon’s masks use the tera crystals to synchronize with its memories
>a phantom memory
Ok yeah. Terapagos is a literal disc that stores memories and recreates them. The sound when you boot up the game is a cassette tape, even.
>Terapagos is a literal disc that stores memories and recreates them.
That's what I've been theorizing for almost a year now. It's a "brilliant disc". Doesn't this look a lot like Tera crystals too?
>Literal disc
Is that why Porygon is in the DLC?
Wouldn't read too much into that but who knows.
Could be, Porygon is the only DLC mon that probably won’t be found in the wild. It’s possible Terapagos can just will them into existence.
>ancient hyper advanced civilization
>Terapagos records their ideas and technology like artificial intelligence
>they made a time machine but some kind of sabotage caused it to explode creating the area zero crater forcing Terapagos into a dormant state
>the plate Heath and Co dug out in Area Zero is a remnant of their civilization
>modern day, the professor makes the Tera orb and then something manipulates them into making a time machine
>they pull through the paradoxes and eventually die and the mysterious assistant creates the AI using the knowledge in Pagos
Could time travel get any more BTFO’d?
Anon, if it stores knowledge then it's not an wishing pokemon.
Anon, if it stores knowledge then it's not a time pokemon. Your "game freak didn't write anything behind the surface, if the prof says time travel it's time travel" narrative loses either way.
The time machine isn't implied to have anything to do with Terapagos itself, it just uses Tera Cystals. Thr game says that Tera Crystals allow for technology beyond what is currently possible. The AI professor is another example.
Even if imagination theory turns out correct it is entirely possible it is a real time machine created through that power just like the AI professor is an AI and their robot body is an actual robot.
I don't get how people jump from "Terapagos power is materializing imagination/desire as crystals" to "everything in the game is fake"
I’m glad we can agree on something Anon’s. It’s neither Time Travel, nor a Wishing Imagination Pokemon.
There's also this drawing in the page that Heath can't remember drawing that suggests it has something to do with projecting something.
I actually wonder if just Terapagos is the power source, and the actual item, the literal Indigo Disk, is the item that is utilized by Terapagos to take it’s Terastal form.
It could be when Terapagos utilizes the 19th Tera Type, that form is meant to be the origin of the Paradox Pokémon? Perhaps the actual Indigo Disk by itself can be charged with Tera Energy to generate Pokemon, and could likely even be part of the Time Machine, which is why the Professors believed what it was doing was actual time travel? It’s a theory at least.
The 19th tera type requiring an item would be interesting, because I can't think of how they'd make an omnitype otherwise that doesn't invalidate every other tera type.
Just make it so the 19th type only lasts 3 turns or something, or cuts your moveset in half
I don’t think it will require an item to be used by every Pokémon, but Terapagos, specifically the form of the 19th TeraType Crown, might require the Indigo Disk for a special ‘tera form’ like how Ogerpon has it’s masks terastalize.
What if you can only use the 19th type if Terapagos is on your team? That way it can be an OP singleplayer thing without having to worry about its impact on multiplayer matches.
Doesn't go tera and isn't catchable either, why would they do this. Either it was planned to be a tera encounter and was dropped for whatever reason (lol programming skill issue), or they just knew people were going to datamine it
How many fricking things these crystals can do? here's a catbox since this picture is too big to upload https://files.catbox.moe/8ei15u.png
well with reality bending crystals basically almost anything is possible. and then there’s also the anime
>How many fricking things these crystals can do?
According to your image? One thing. Act as a source of power.
reviving the dead treads into supernatural powers territory
Bold of you to assume it was the crystals and not momo.
I think the problem is that people are trying to connect everything to one single theme or power when the game just doesn't do that.
So with imagination theorists everything has to be some kind of reality warping which would be really fricking boring.
well terapagos has a power like all legendary pokemon. so unless you think SV is just a bunch of random plot points that don’t mean anything, the alternative is that terapagos is responsible for everything happening and being another sort of pokegod
>well terapagos has a power like all legendary pokemon
Except that not every legendary embodies an element some are just absurdly powerful and/or rare like Mewtwo, Lugia, the birds, the tao, the lati, the dogs, the beasts the swords and so on.
In any case we already know that it isn't a reality warper or even inherently related to time travel, it just has every type.
>In any case we already know that it isn't a reality warper
Do we?
well if you wanna go back to the very beginning and decide if paradox pokemon are fictional creatures brought to life or if they time traveled.
if they were fictional creatures brought to life then that can only mean it’s the imagination reality bender people have been talking about over the past year
>people have been talking about over the past year
Well, not really. Once the game came out and Khu explained the riddles the imagination theory dropped off hard, the only people who believe it now are shitposters and clickbait poketubers.
Anyway, there's nothing in game saying Terapagos is the embodiment of anything or has any special powers beyond providing energy.
you do realize people came up with imagination theory outside of khu right?
>only people who believe it now are shitposters and clickbait poketubers.
talking out of your ass
>Anyway, there's nothing in game saying Terapagos is the embodiment of anything or has any special powers beyond providing energy.
and you haven’t been following the discussion over the past year so I’m not going to bother with the whole desire manifestation spiel.
>you do realize people came up with imagination theory outside of khu right?
You'd have a point if that were true but it comes entirely from misinterpreting Khu otherwise there would be evidence of it in game. That's why the theory is more about "debunking" time travel rather than proving imagination.
Even now you don't want to provide any because you know it doesn't exist.
The closest thing to evidence in game was Arven saying it was weird while hinting at a time paradox but you people took it the wrong way and instead of seeing it as foreshadowing you saw it as debunking time travel. But the funny thing is, even if you think it debunks time travel it also doesn't suggest imagination so you're still at square 1 anyway.
But you're not going to read any of this, you're just going to avoid the conversation because you don't want to accept imagination makes no sense.
There’s plenty of arguments in favour of paradox Pokémon not being actual past/future mons some even being presented in this very thread but I guess it’s too difficult to actually analyze information presented in a story and just take an insane character as gospel.
Yes anon they've been hyping up terapagos since the game released and teasing the true nature of area zero for its power to just amount to having Protian
>What if that pokemon they've clearly established as being the cause of everything was actually not related to anything and it was all just random nonsense lmao
Ah yes the new time troony cope "they're gonna make the story incoherent on purpose"
we need more info about momo
Anon you forgot about the ghost pond of tera crystals already
Momo is similar to Glimmora which is similar to a Tera Crystal
It does whatever as the writers demand. It's a plot device.
This is ultimately going to be the answer. I'm amazed that any of you think GF is about to give you a satisfying answer to any of the interesting questions they've raised, especially in one of their patented lazy DLC campaigns. I eagerly await your enraged threads once Indigo Disk is released and those hacks leave you with blue balls yet again.
terapagos in the anime exists
Terapagos in the anime hasn't really done anything big yet not to mention the anime has its own rules.
cuz the anime is withholding revealing what terapagos actually is until the DLC shows the truth
Terapagos in the anime hasn’t contradicted how it works in the game, really. So far it just glows and shows Liko her ancestor, which tracks with
how Heath and Carmine described seeing dead/memory people around the crystals.
>Heath and Carmine described seeing dead/memory people around the crystals.
Neither of them said that in game.
Yea, they did. Read again.
No, no they didn't.
Heath's lines have been scrubbed and Carmine said there was a rumor not that you could.
>Heath’s lines have been scrubbed
The scarlet/violet book aren’t scrubbed you moron. Stop reading wikis and actually play the game.
>The scarlet/violet book aren’t scrubbed
The books also aren't Heath talking nor does it say anything about seeing dead people.
Have you actually played the game?
>The books also aren't Heath talking
Anon? He wrote the book. It’s literally his word. Is this the new timetroony deflection?
Trying to talk sense into you clearly isn't working so I'll just say this, find the line about about seeing the dead in the book.
>dead/memory people
Hmm, I wonder what the second word used was. I know reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit, but what would someone who is no longer here fall under the umbrella of as well?
Find the line anon.
It's a very simple task and will end this argument immediately if you do.
>a phantom memory
>phantom
>memory
hmm…
In other words you can't find a line about the dead.
>phantom
>not about the dead
I know you’re moronic, but come on
>figment of the imagination
t-timesisters?
>”Heath didn’t write the book”
>telling others to play the game
Literal wiki skimmer.
>Carmine talks about how people see dead people around the crystal pool
>Heath has what he describes as a dream/memory of speaking to someone in an unfamiliar location, waking up with blueprints for the tera orb
Please play the game before you embarrass yourself further.
Proof Timetravelgays don't play the game
It’s amazing how something as consistent between the games/anime as “the crystals let you see illusory people” is somehow in contention.
It isn't, the reason behind it is.
The imagination theory states that they're wishes to see people.
The time travel theory uses stored knowledge.
>The time travel theory uses stored knowledge.
lol
lmao
>I eagerly await your enraged threads once Indigo Disk is released and those hacks leave you with blue balls yet again.
It's already been hinted at with the location Blueball Academy.
>alter the functions of living things
>grant powers
>make more likely to encounter mutant (shiny) pokemon
>power up machines
>allow androids too advanced for humankind to create
>revive the dead
>sustain a contained set of radically different ecosystems together
>materialize pokemon out of thin air
It kind of reminds me of the farplanes.
I don't think you're totally off making that comparison. Crystals are featured in every Final Fantasy game, and they are often:
1. A Power Source
2. Related to the dead or past civilizations
3. Have Time/Space warping or defying properties
FFX's crystals specifically have all of these properties. They are the game's level up currency as well as the save and fast travel system - power, time, and space. They are made by infusing water with literal spirits, are used to power the impossibly advanced machinery of the old world, are able to project images that match the desire of the viewer (especially departed loves ones), spontaneously summon monsters, contain souls and memories, and can even turn dreams into physical reality.
I mean, sure, wilder coincidences happen, I'm not calling it a direct rip off or even an influence. But you can def see where the themes overlap more than superficially; Memories of the past haunt us in tangible ways that can once again be given life if the wrong person wills it... Not to mention both games have kinda harrowing takes on parental neglect.
If time travel was the answer, we’d probably have all the fossil Pokémon available but it’s only Sinnoh’s for Indigo Disk
Is this the best lore moment Pokemon had so far?
Like wtf, the SS dlc was so shit the only thing I was curious about were the new regis and the music(was more dissapointing than USUM somehow)
But this? This is insane
The SV dlc will literally complete the games story arc(r-right?). While the IoA and the CT are literally the okwhatevertoughbeit to the base game.
They got actual writers for gen 9
Yeah it seems like they changed up the writing team or something cause the difference really is insane. I think they caught so much flack for SwSh for its dogshit story that they felt like they really had to change something.
Also I wouldn't count on SV completing literally all story arcs. It might happen, but I wouldn't put my hopes up tbh.
I’d hold off on calling the lore good until we get Indigo Disk. Gamefreak could completely shit the bed with the reveal (or do no reveal at all) and ruin the whole thing.
It depends entirely on the payoff. This set up is legitimately interesting and cool but that's all it's been so far. A rug pull flip on the initial advertised premise is cool, but when you answer that that rug pull in the end with only hints at what is actually causing things and then spend a year slowly giving more hints but that ultimately aren't consequential, you eventually need to conclude.
What makes SV work in comparison to all of the mainline entries before it is the storyline approach GF took with the game. Every storyline has a definite beginning and end, with each one focusing upon a few specific characters alongside the Protagonist. This manner of storytelling has been present since maybe BW, but more so XY, and it feels to have finally been perfected in SV.
Each tale, the overarching plot, and the lore underneath everything seems to be weaving together... nicely, which is rare for the series. There is no gigantic, haphazard web of connections that the Protagonist simply "find" themselves in time and again. Each story has a mission where events fall into place.
As a side, it's baffling how none of SwSh's stories, including DLC, ever came together. Would it have been so hard to say that Calyrex, Glastrier/Spectrier, Zacian, Zamazenta, and Urshifu were all the heroes of Galar in their own ways? A king, his steed, his knights, and a guardian (armour).
SwSh in general felt all over the place because there isn’t a consistent theme or narrative to follow. SV has been gradually building up it’s narrative and lore so I figure they planned some massive reveal at the very end with Indigo Disk. even Horizon’s isn’t really giving any hints either other than baby terapagos from the pendant doing things
>Is this the best lore moment Pokemon had so far?
No. Next question.
How did it feel, being raped by your own father?
Reminder Kieran was holding the Teal Mask when he punched the tomb before the loyal three resurrected
I don't think that's true
Play the game, he stole the Teal Mask and you find him in the park, then battle for the mask. He goes apeshit and punches the gravestone, then admits defeat and gives you the mask.
Hmm yeah I think you're right, my bad. I completely forgot about the whole stealing shit
moron
just noticed
sorry, I shouldn't have called you that
Kek
It's okay anon, I did have a little moron moment
Post yfw when credits roll on DLC 2 and this plays
You guys keep comparing it to Ghost in the Shell but they don't really sound alike
bump
Stop bumping your own thread imagination Black person
funny how the anti-imagination side always gets so piss-in-your-pants whiny angry
OP here. It wasn't me. But this time? Yup. Bump
What's the 19th type gonna do, anyway? As a move, will it be super effective against all types? As a mon, will it take half damage from all types, and have stab on all moves? Will that be it? Did I miss something? or will it be something totally different?
legend plate effect probably
The only thing we actually saw it do, on the image of Baxcalibur Terastalizing into that type, was instead of Dragon, Ice, or whatever other Tera type it could have had, all were given the Tera Type shining panel boost. How much? Can’t tell. What it did not do, was change the effectiveness of the moves being used.
User changes type each turn to match the move it uses
>that's just Protean/Libero!
Yep, and they nerfed those abilities for that exact reason. My guess is Terapagos will get a signature move that functions like Judgement and the Legend Plate like
suggested, which will set it apart from any other mon with the 19th Tera Type (since we already know other mons will be able to utilize it).