Presented by Bethesda (owners of Fallout IP) and Amazon. With a sponsor ad break 1-2. This is the Fallout Amazon show depiction of Mr House from Fallout New Vegas. Thoughts on him being okay with nuking his own country?
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I don't give a shit about the show.
If it's not in the game, it's not canon.
That's nice and all. But if FO5 will contain the lore bombs from the tv show?
FO5 will be on the east coast and not mention anything on the west coast
games : east
show : west
>continue making games on the east coast
>sic amazon writers on the west coast as vengeance for new vegas
holy based bethsoft
How do you know?
i'm emil bf
NTA but I saw some insider suggestion that the TV show is setting the stage for 5, like a prelude to whatever plot/conflict there will be.
Can probably imagine it, something similar to the plot of 4 but instead of the Institute being the shadow evil behind the scenes that threatens everyone, it'll be Vault-tec, and like with 4 you can either side with them, or gather factions against them like the Brotherhood, NCR remnants, generic wastelanders, perhaps the Enclave even.
>Boo hoo NCR is destroyed!
>Nut with the newer and better settlement and building system, you can rebuild the NCR!
Another NCR settlement needs our help, I'll mark it on your map
I'm going to go nuclear
I think they're deleting the West Coast so that they can fill it usual beth moronation. Remember, there's an alien city underneath the sands. Plus Cain said China nuked first, Beth implied aliens did it and in the tv show Vault TEC started it.
>aliens did it
What is their fricking problem???
Xenophobia
>He's okay with nuking his own county
>And also moronic enough to not know the day the bombs would drop
>Appears in an illuminati corporate America roundtable to talk about nuking United States
>Goes back home to prepare to counterattack the nukes he himself allowed to be dumped on his country and house
>This is peak Fallout writing by Bethesda
What did Mr. House mean by this?
yeah I’m sure House single-handedly greenlit the nukes and it’s not like his illuminati bros would turn around and say “I think there’s something up with this House fella..” if he voiced any displeasure to the “nuke everything” moron plot
If that were the intent behind the scene they could have made it a lot clearer with some body language and lingering closeups.
To be fair, they could still do that. Show the scene from his perspective in a flashback while he's talking to Lucy or after.
Yeah, it's not unfixable beyond the fact that corporations dropping the bombs ruins the whole point of the series. But they can at least salvage House.
>he allowed to be dumped on his country and house
>allowed
Anon what was he suppose to do? Kill everyone in that room? Stop the resource war altogether? Making the platinum chip plan, and arming Vegas is about as much he could have done
But he goes along with it, says the end of the world can be incredibly profitable which makes 0 fricking sense
House lectures you in NV about needing the NCR around as consumer, robco got big by having the world alive to sell to, makes no sense he'd just throw that all away
Is there a single scene in this show with a white majority where they're not portrayed as moral inferiors?
It's merely to have a white person be morally wrong, all the previous main villains of the fallout series have been (at some point, because The Master is a goo pile) white men. It's the law of averages.
Merely math, I left out a whole word due to spell check.
>Housechuds think they're 'winning'
evil insane capitalist please understand
It would be nice if he said that they were all insane, that they would never live to see these 'profits' and that they should all go fick themselves.
this is 100% whats going to happen, we dont know what came out of the meeting, and he asked way too many questions
he will help Lucy and Ghoul with the limited resources he still has in his arsenal due to a civil war in Vegas or something OR ask the duo to help him with a final effort of his
House will be the antihero of Season 2
>If we blow up almost everybody I'll somehow make more money
House is actually the only one in that meeting that is skeptical, he never agrees to the nuke thing.
Yes but in fallout new Vegas he talks about how if he knew when the bombs dropped the city would be in even better shape than it was in the game, how the frick wouldn't he know if he was on the illuminati committee?
>invited to the legion of doom meeting
>everyone starts talking about dropping the nukes themselves
>smile and nod, politely excuse myself
>go home and start putting anti-nuke lasers on the roof
>get software nerds to develop a method to disable nukes in flight
>get interrupted by the war starting
>get interrupted by the war starting.
If vault tec started it how would this happen, wouldn't he know the date?
Vault-Tec didn't even have time to complete all their vaults, someone launched the nuked early. My money is on the ghoul's wife.
>niggress dooms humanity
Why did she do it?
payback for slavery
Robco isn't Vault-Tec, they collaborated together but they were entirely separate companies, I can totally see VT going behind Houses back and either faking or hiding critical information
What did House do after he woke up? Filled half of vault 21 with concrete and would've filled the entire thing if the vault people didn't convince him to turn it into a hotel. He has no interest in experimenting on people he ends the experiment of vault 21. He's not on vault-tec's side.
It's actually because as Sarah suggested, her vault ran deep and wide. It had connections to the Lucky 38 that House didn't want or need used anymore
Nukes were launched early
Nice of vault tec to frick everyone else in the shadow gubmint over then I guess
>how the frick wouldn't he know if he was on the illuminati committee?
Well, if he refused their invitation and walked away from the committee after that meeting. But, thereafter armed with the impending danger knowledge.
>Well, if he refused their invitation and walked away from the committee after that meeting. But, thereafter armed with the impending danger knowledge.
House was a capitalist like the rest of them and he could've had the feds knocked on all his competitors doors for plotting this shit. But it's a Bethesda adaptation that was made out of pettiness towards Fallout 1, Fallout 2, and Fallout New Vegas not being "theirs". So no one can have them anymore now from Bethesda's point of view.
>his competitors
House has no competitors
Something that was said earlier in the series was that the US government had essentially been usurped by the mercantile influence of major corporations and was essentially broke, as if that would matter to a Super Power like the United States in Fallout whose economy I assume runs off Fiat and military hegemony. .
>pic
um he did actually elaborate that he was a texas ranger
This. It's not a question of House's morality.
The bombs coming down is supposed to be a surprise to him. He specifically says that.
How do you know it happened on schedule?
>someone launched early
Suddenly canon is intact.
It's entirely possible that despite all the corpos agreeing to launch the bombs, that China still launches them first and catches them off guard.
That would still meld well with the lore of vaults being behind schedule.
plot twist, vault tec planned to launch the nukes but China did it first because they were losing
It was the aliens who did it. Mothership Zeta pretty much confirmed it.
Fallout 76 brings that shit up again too.
I can't tell yet if it's a retcon, because it's seems like more people than him got caught off guard that shouldn't have. Makes me think someone jumped the gun.
>This is the Fallout Amazon show depiction of Mr House from Fallout New Vegas
this is prewar depiction of being young and not 200 years old, people dont change?
>And also moronic enough to not know the day the bombs would drop
ayys/chinks started it
>Being "young" is a justification for nuking your own country
House was in his 50s when he knew the bombs were inevitable and his 60s when they finally dropped
260 year old House in New Vegas is just the continuation of a man who spent the last decade and a half of his life obsessing over nuclear war
Fallout ended after 2. Yes, that includes new vegas
New Vegas redeemed Fallout 2
1>New Vegas>2
You put 1 at the top and that's all that matters.
Yep, Zoomer Black folk are proving once again, that they are mindless husks that will consoom anything that their corporate streamer influencers tell them slop up like the mindless mongoloids they are.
Zoomer genocide when?
>always ignoring the millenitroons that invented all of this and brainwashed the younger generation
hmm ((who)) could be behind these posts.
Fallout ended at 1, 2 was reddit incarnate and broken game
who said he was? That he didn't sperg out in the bilderburg meeting is evidence of nothing except a working sense of self-preservation
>In the fictional Fallout universe the USA annexed Canada
>Bethesda writers have unexplored South, Central, and North continental U.S. to work with
>Even Hawaii and Alaska
>Choose to desecrate the history of Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas all in the West Coast USA and all not made by Bethesda
I'm starting to think guys. I'm thinking. I think Fallout 3 and 4 weren't harmed by the Amazon show for a reason.
This is what confused me. It seems like the writers wanted to wank LA (cuz that's what writers do), got told there was lore there, and decided to brute force it. And Bethesda was okay with that because they don't give a shit.
the show runners live in LA and did not want to go anywhere else for a silly vydia adaption
It's not even wanting to
There's some sort of law that says if you film this far out of Hollywood you have to pay fees for transportation or some shit
So that's why so many shitty movies just end up filming in places juuuuust far enough out that you can't tell it's LA but close enough so they don't get fined
It's a cost issue
if hollywood tax breaks is what they are after Georgia, Atlanta is known hot spot for them. Close enough to the east coast too they can spin off bethland stuff
They didn't film in California. The whole seasonwas upstate NY for some god forsaken reason.
taxes
bunch of BOS stuff was shot in Utah and they talk about fricking Namibia here
https://screenrant.com/fallout-show-filming-locations-explained/
Filming was in NY actually.
Fallout 4 harmed itself
That's why it's the best selling and most played one
That is why it is regarded highly amongst fans, right?
It sucks.
It's more often than not the second most played Fallout behind 76
Yet nobody talks about it as much as the older games. Lets just ignore the voiced protagonist and dialog wheel containing 2 options.
They'd rather play it because it's better than a game that's only good for talking about amongst insular communities
Guess all the fans are wrong and you are right, i'm sorry
Tim Cain says they are. Swayer cares less about his story than the rabid fans and is probably too busy to care while working on his next game. Avellone outright disagrees with the games he's made.
Tim Cain hated the idea of synths.
only because of the coom mods just like Skyrim
because it's the best and most up to date modding platform, same as skyrim. it's also incredibly easy to play and just do whatever in.
>if he does show in the future he'll almost certainly be reduced to a babies first "capitalism bad" punching bag with no nuance
>Robert House has membership to the corporate America illuminati committee
>Even with the warnings of nukes being planned by this group on his home country he doesn't do shit with this knowledge
>Barely survived the nukes with his self made defense system
>Has to count on a fricking courier to deliver his upgrade firmware
Thanks Amazon curated Fallout show by the true owners of the Fallout IP, Bethesda. His backstory is more compelling and more true to his character of Fallout New Vegas.
Stalker, New Vegas, Warband & Bannerlord, and KC: Deliverance are my repeat addictions. The Sims 2&3 come and steal months of my life randomly, too.
>The Sims 2&3 come and steal months of my life randomly, too.
>2 random hick scavenger farmers have New California Republic Ranger Armor
>Final scene shows zero NCR Rangers fighting the Brotherhood of Steel
>You're not supposed to think about the water filter breaking and causing Vault 33 to run out of water mentioned at the start
>Or the character assassination of Mr. House attending an illuminati meeting to kill his own country so he runs back home to fund missiles in the states of Arizona and Nevada to stop the nukes he co-signed being dropped on USA
Fallout as presented by Bethesda and Amazon.
Everyone in vault 32 and 33 is going to die unless Lucy brings them a water chip there's no one else that can get one
>You're not supposed to think about the water filter breaking and causing Vault 33 to run out of water mentioned at the start
Finally someone mentioned it. Not only is it completely memory holled (and they even specify that they have only 2 months worth of water left), they also decide to repopulate Vault 32. Even if we assume that Vault 32's water chip is still functional, that still leaves them with one water chip, so splitting the Vault is still impossible.
Even if we forget about Fallout deep lore shit and moronic chalkboard, the show literally doesn't make any sense just on its own merits. Why or what did Moldaver make Hank choose in the episode 1. Why did he have to make any choice at all? They made it seem like Hank chose Lucy's life over the rest, but no one died in that exchange and finality doesn't make it clear why did she even do that in the first place. Also I don't understand why did Hank let Moldaver or anyone from Vault 32 in on the day of his daughter's wedding. He couldn't have not known people in Vault 32 are dead because he has means of communications with other Vaults, and they've been dead for years, so he knew for a fact that whomever he was letting in weren't Vault 32 and Moldaver just luckily was at the right time and place for Lucy to decide to get married, or stumbled upon dead Vault 32 and larped as Vault 32 overseer for years just for such an occasion.
Will media literacy people explain these to me, should I even bother asking these questions?
>Not only is it completely memory holled (and they even specify that they have only 2 months worth of water left), they also decide to repopulate Vault 32.
lol this is honestly a real good point.
The guy telling them about the chip seems to be trying to warn everyone that keeping the raiders prisoner will mean they will have even less water than what they would need for two months, then the writers just kind of forget and the vault focuses on rebuilding a wing they don't have use for yet.
And who rebuilt it even? At first I assumed that it was Vault 31 people, because no one from Vault 33 knew Vault 32 was rebuilt or it's implausible they did it in a way that both Norm and Chet didn't notice or didn't even participate in it. But Vault 31 has only brain roomba with frozen Bud's Buds. Did Betty clean up literal Vault cemetery? It makes no sense.
Betty wasn't the only person from Vault 31 living in Vault 33 at the time. There were numerous inhabitants like the eyepatch chick
I feel like people watching this show perceive it just as they perceive the games: they focus on the few things they like and never EVER aknowledge any of the contradictory or outright attrocious elements, charactertization or writing.
Its so fricked up how bad thins have gotten.
The majority of the people who think the show is "true to the Fallout IP" believe that to be the case because it has Sugar Bombs, Dogmeat, power armor, mini-nukes, etc. in it. They see enough surface-level imagery and think it's a faithful adaptation. Star Wars fans unironically have more taste.
It's not a bad show, it's like a solid 6/10, above average but not great. But it's only Fallout on the surface.
>Will media literacy people explain these to me
You were supposed to clap when you heard that the water chip was broken and then immediately memory hole it. Unfortunately, the writers didn't realize that you have to have above 90 IQ to not be filtered by Fallout 1, and that the people they're trying to appeal to would immediately realize this gaping plot hole.
It's especially confusing because it's written to be the catalyst for the moral dilemma of the raider prisoners, and other vault dwellers were implying Norm should "do what his father would have done" and made the difficult decision to execute them. Then the prisoners are poisoned, without implying that it's Norm that did it, and the water chip issue is memory holed (until season 2).
A more gaping plot hole is why the inhabitants of Vault 33 did not realize that every single person in Vault 32 had been murdered and replaced with raiders (or, for that matter, how Lucy immediately recognizes the attackers as "raiders"). Vault 33 and 32 practice exogamy, and that exogamy is overseen by the vault's respective councils. If not the council, then the people who married into Vault 33 would immediately realize that they don't recognize a single one of the Vault 32 "inhabitants" with whom they formerly lived.
I'm not trying to nit-pick, the writing in the show is just all over the fricking place.
>A more gaping plot hole is why the inhabitants of Vault 33 did not realize that every single person in Vault 32 had been murdered and replaced with raiders (or, for that matter, how Lucy immediately recognizes the attackers as "raiders"). Vault 33 and 32 practice exogamy, and that exogamy is overseen by the vault's respective councils. If not the council, then the people who married into Vault 33 would immediately realize that they don't recognize a single one of the Vault 32 "inhabitants" with whom they formerly lived.
This is not a nit-pick at all, I thought the same thing. At first I excused it that maybe they were just too polite to point it out, but apparently not one of the current inhabitants of Vault 33 are from Vault 32 or realized that the group that attended the wedding are literal strangers they've never seen in their lives even though logically they would've been living for 18 years in Vault 32 before their exchange at the least. None of the inhabitants except for blond girl and Betty are defined as immigrants.
We know the blond girl is also from Vault 31, and even if we take into account that there could be other Vault 31 immigrants, the passage of time in the show is so terrible and it's clear that everyone is surprised by the work done on Vault 32 and didn't know about it (especially Norm and Chet), it's still impossible to tell how Vault 32's ruins and corpses were cleaned up or who did it, because the surprise on inhabitants of Vault 33 makes it suggest none of them knew about it.
Why the frick aren't the citizens freaking out over this? Why isn't that fat Bethy overseer of Vault 33 not freaking out the most over the broken water chip?
>still leaves them with one water chip
I took it to be an issue for the election, since Betty's political rivals demand thr chip issue be spoken in front of everyone. And that Betty was working on a solution, which we haven't seen yet.
When you start raising valid questions the media literacy people will tell you to touch grass and find something more important in your life to cry about.
>Amazog so scared of offending China they retconned any chance of them being the primary aggressors of the great war
predictable but funny
That's the kicker and funniest thing. Fallout 3 and its DLC were very anti Chinese or as blatant as you can get even "satirical". But I noticed they dropped the anti Chinese sentiment with newer Fallout games and the Amazon is the biggest pussy out of all of them. I only saw one Chinese satellite but not a single broadcast of the Enclave wanting to kill the Chinese.
Liberty Prime was still saying anti-Chinese phrases in 4 and you meet a Chinese ghoul that nuked the area
They don't even mention that it's the Chinese. It's just "the reds".
>kneecapping your potential viewership because of some nerd shit
>they won't watch this shit anyway because the nog and flat chested frog are headlining the show
Actually fricking horrifying when you think about it
>Vault Tech needs money
>Corporate retro future illuminati of Fallout stages a plan to nuke all of United States to sell Vault-Tech home tickets
>Giving up the entire country to sell home tickets underground
>Robert House whose backstory consist of realizing the USA and China will go full moron and nuke each other sets out a plan to protect most of his home turf in Nevada and adjacent California/Arizona
>This is retconned to Mr. House attending the future corporate retro future illuminati of Fallout to kill his business and his fortunes
As presented by Bethesda (the true owners of Fallout IP) and Amazon writers.
>"Me make money from dropping atom bom"
>Does this despite being one of the most affluent people before the War, between running Vegas, RobCo, and REPCONN
>Doesn't wait until he has the firmware update to actually intercept the nukes falling around Vegas (potato chip)
A BETHESDA SOFTWORKS PRODUCTION
>Fallout 1 and 2 fans hate Bethesda
>Fallout New Vegas fans hate Bethesda
>It took Fallout 4 to make Fallout 3 fans hate Bethesda
>Fallout 76 ""fans"" are subhuman barely coherent human beings
>Starfield and Fallout Amazon back to back shitting over their remaining fans
wow
You would not believe how many betrayed fans there were after shartfield. Like there a bunch of comments saying shit like “how could Todd do this” and “it’s supposed to be good” it’s fricked because it confirmed that they actually did worship him and took what was a meme mocking all the bullshit he pulled and thought it was genuine because they weren’t here when it started.
to be fair even in my wildest dreams I never expected Todd to frick up with the troglodytic part of the fanbase by completely gutting the open world turn off your brain shit in Starfield. That's been the core design at that company since like Daggerfall or Morrowind
They keep going deeper and deeper into their moronic formula. The natural end state is just a giant map with shit scattered around.
>https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Barb_Howard
>Notable quotes
>"By dropping the bombs ourselves." – Barb to Robert House
>“… War never changes…”
BRAVO. BRAVE. STUNNING.
Why are Fallout 3 and 4 not included in the retcons and meddling shitflinging that Bethesda did for this TV show on Amazon?
We all know the answer
Because nobody gives a shit about those and fallout 3 was retconned by Fallout 4 mineycrafta mechanics
>hurr durr big water filter like in bible sacrifice?
>just build another one out of dogshit and rust
>Sierra Petrovita, the nuka cola prostitute is back!
>church of the atom is back as killable mobs!
>power armor
>brotherhood of steel.
>War. War never changes.
>The end of the world occurred pretty much as we had predicted. Too many humans, not enough space or resources to go around. The details are trivial and pointless, the reasons, as always, purely human ones.
>In the 21st century, war was still waged over the resources that could be acquired. Only this time, the spoils of war were also its weapons: Petroleum and Uranium. For these resources, China would invade Alaska, the US would annex Canada, and the European Commonwealth would dissolve into quarreling, bickering nation-states, bent on controlling the last remaining resources on Earth.
Try "another hit in the head", which provides an alternative to death where instead of reloading a save you get knocked out unconscious, see a dream sequence then wake up somewhere else with a varying degree of your shit stolen/molested.
It's not that they referenced stuff from the West Coast canon, it's that every single reference to it was destructive or contradictory, except the surface-level stuff like Sunset Sarsaparilla
>retcons Shady Sands to being in LA in order to nuke it
>destroys the remnants of the NCR 30 minutes after they're introduced
>the de facto leader of the NCR remnants doesn't get a single scene about the NCR
>the other NCR remnants don't get a single speaking line
>the Shady Sands survivors in Vault 4 hold a blood ritual because... why, exactly?
>retcons one of the defining acts of House's character
>destroys New Vegas
>places multiple vaults on the surface in the LA area, rectonning the Master's actions
>the NCR ranger armor was either given to two random scavengers, or the scavenger is a retired NCR ranger who lets Goggins's character murder BOTH of his sons and walk away and the armor looks like shit
It's hilarious. Every single thing from 1, 2, and NV was fricked up in some respect. They destroyed one of the major West Coast factions just so they could do Fallout 3's daddy-daughter (or son) plot again.
T-the NCR can still bounce back from this, don’t worry guys…
>Bethesda nuked the best aesthetic faction in the series
I'm sad. Particularly since they had the Brotherhood running around in T-60 instead of T-51.
>the Shady Sands survivors in Vault 4 hold a blood ritual because... why, exactly?
Wacky blood orgy jokes like south park
The LA shit bothered me as soon as we saw the first previews. In the games, LA was consistently referred to as Boneyard. Come the show, that name is not referenced even once and everyone is suddenly calling it Los Angeles again. But of course normies and journos thought LA is new to the franchise anyway.
They had to do it so that the heckin' POC could turn all the lights on to restore the glory of LA.
Did they make Vault-Tec the bad guys who dropped the nukes first, just so they wouldn't have to have China be responsible?
They never call China out once by name. Canada being annexed by USA is not talked about at all. There's only a single fallen Chinese Communist Party satellite shot in Episode 1/2 when they're in the desert. By all accounts the Enclave would be active now with a very hardon to talk shit about China in every public airwave the Pipboys can pick up.
China being mocked is present in every Fallout IP until recently. Don't think too hard about why a Chinese spy balloon was over continental United States last year either. Normal stuff now.
Corpos know better than to rile up their potential audiences with silly accusations like that.
>potential audiences
meanwhile the real chang mainland just pirates all the media they produce while banning the gwailos from ever getting official release license
It wasn't even a CCP satellite in the desert, it was a CCCP satellite. Still communist, but specifically Russian communism and now Mao based communism
It was Russian.
Season ends with the New Vegas shot
My worry is that House is/will be dead already, like Bethesda decides to go with Independent Vegas ending or something, so Paul Atreides will take over the Lucky 38 and kind of plotwise fill the role House had in NV for season 2
Communism? Good. China? Not culpable. Capitalism? Pure, irrational evil.
They present it as if Howard listening to his commie friend was where everything started going down the shitter for him.
About 40% of Amazon is owned by Advisor, Vanguard, and Blackrock. You can almost predict the whole series with that information.
>The capitalists illuminati of America(tm) have a secret meeting at the height of a US-China hot war with a red scare at the highest in history
>Robert House who has come to the conclusion United States' moronic leadership will nuke China and vice versa decides to instill missile defense systems all over Arizona and Nevada to protect himself and civilization
>Enter the Amazon and Bethesda version of Robert Houses who attends this capitalists illuminati of America(tm) meeting and does nothing to his competitors plotting to kill his business and country
>Could've called literally anyone in the US government and accuse Vault Tec of being run by commies
>Literally lets it all happen so he ends up financing the nukes that will be shot down by his own defense missiles and cuck himself with hundreds of firmware out of date incomplete Security Bots
Bethesda has improved Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas. We are so thankful.
've called literally anyone in the US government and accuse Vault Tec of being run by commies
>He would call the U.S government to accuse the U.S government
No to defend the show obvious plot holes but it was already stated that the Government of the US was a rubber stamp for corporations ruling in the shadows, efectively an Oligarchy
've called literally anyone in the US government and accuse Vault Tec of being run by commies
It's funny because Big MT is at the meeting and it's a part of the government.
While House is big, he is not the biggest fish. His illuminated "friends" all are obviously in control.
>His illuminated "friends" all are obviously in control
Who?
Repconn, which he will buy for some spare change?
Big MT, which is just some Science!tists working directly for the US gov?
West Tek, biggest defense contractor and would be the first in line to ask for a prolonged cold war?
Poseidon Oil, which could make som- Nevermind, they're not even at the meeting lmao.
>if you want to see the fate of democracies, look out the windows at the destruction caused by a unelected secret cabal of capitalist
Why does the show feel like it's constantly backpedaling on the ghoul be a likeable hardass with gray morality?
>He killed a bunch of people!.. but they were literally trying to kill him. And he even paid for the food he ate.
>He stabbed a dog! But it was in self defense. Then he healed the dog.
>He does his best to give a ghoul who is turning feral a painless death and some happy memories to go out on
They must have noticed test audiences were too responsive to him this point
>He's a fricking cannibal even though ghouls don't need to eat, and being a cannibal in this setting is presented as a crossing a threshold you can't come back from. They even show this with fiends in this show.
>He shoots a kid after egging him on for a fight and seems to have a reputation for killing younger unarmed kids as well
Were they mad he was the most popular main character or something?
>ghouls don't need to eat
Isn't this Fallout 4 "canon"
Yes, but why wouldn't I include that in a show by the same people, that also includes Fallout 4 lore?
Because acknowledging Fallout 4's most well-known lore frick-up would look bad, better to destroy the NCR and prepare to assassinate Mr. House's character
Fallout 4 canon is that ghouls don't need food or water, despite the ghoul settlement itself needing food and water. The ghoul kid-in-a-fridge lasted 200 years without any interaction, food, or water
Also, The Ghoul survived being buried for who knows how long without food or water, just the possibly-radiated IV. There's an easter egg in Fallout 2 where a ghoul in a coffin has been buried for 10 years and he's fine, but it may not be canon. It's possible ghouls can go into some sort of hibernation mode? But then, the kid-in-a-fridge says he's been conscious the entire time.
The ghoul kid also survived 200 years without any of the magic stop-turning-feral vials. These stop-turning-feral vials are also an invention of the show which goes against canon, there was never any implication that ghouls needed meds to prevent from going feral
And nevermind the fact that in the very first game, the whole thing about Necropolis was that they needed water, and you could find the place littered with dead ghoul bodies should you steal the water chip without fixing the pump.
The writers and fans defending this shit who have tooootally played the classics are full of shit. I have more respect for casuals who admit "lol I've only played 4".
Speaking of cannibals, why did the moronic Brotherhood of Steel guy called the fiends a bunch of cannibals? I thought they were junkies, some are cannibals yeah, but their defining character trait is being a faction of drug users. In fact, I think the black Brotherhood of Steel protagonist might have severe brain damage unironically. He's an autist and I mean it. Hell, after he mischaracterizes the fiends as cannibals, he walks off a gunshot wound like a graze only for it to be more serious. Why was he so moronic? The lake creature that had the head, why wasn't he telling the ginger dude to get out of the radiated water? Why didn't he take all the supplies from the dead radiated water creature?
Why didn't he take all the guns and ammo from the Knight Titus he stole the power armor and only that from? Why did he destroy his only communication chip with the Brotherhood, even before knowing he had a companion, that was a weird self sabotage because he would still need a pickup after he got the head. He's actually 100% mentally moronic and the Vault 4 scenes with him eating popcorn only reinforce that assessment. Slow on social cues, knows jack shit about the Brotherhood, the fricking Hollywood ghoul made fun of him being tech illiterate. Damn, he's just a fricking moronic from start to finish of this bastardization of Fallout by Bethesda.
You want to make my wiener explode?
Yeah I thought fiends were raiders who went crazy on drugs too.
>fiends
People associate the term "chem fiend" with the Fiends in NV, so they had to frick it up of course. Next question.
I can't tell if they want Maximus to be this loveable ripoff of Finn from the Star Wars prequels, experiencing culture shock as he breaks his conditioning and comes to the realization that he wasn't working for the good guys, or if he's supposed to be an opportunist butthole that considers murder a go-to option and put serious consideration into fricking over and active vault just so he could use his power armor.
Him attempting to steal Vault 4's fusion core even before he saw Lucy being dragged away by vault security with a bag over her head was one of the most confusing scenes in the series
Actual Black person moment
Because he still wanted to leave and assumed they were going to try and detain him and Lucy at that point.
>I want to make people's lives better as a knight of the Brotherhood
>So I'm going to steal this thing that's keeping dozens of people alive
Maximus would have a higher kill count than Goggins if he went through with it. I understand that the contrast between his beliefs and his actions (manslaughter, murder, theft) is the defining aspect of his character arc, but there's only so much cognitive dissonance even a -1 INT moron like Maximus can bear before he has a moment of self-awareness.
He's just such a bad character, like he's so stupid that it actively detracts from everything he says and does.
He also doesn't seem to get any real wins or cool moments. Every big scene of his is undermined or cut short for another character.
Lucy gets cool moments. Howard gets cool moments. Maximus just feels like an oaf with a heard of gold character archetype... except without the heart of gold.
I wonder if the ginger guy from the Brotherhood will return to seek revenge on Maximus for ruining his life.
Everything about that build up made it seem like they were going to become friends after Thaddeus heard Maximus out.
But instead Maximus jumps to trying to kill him without even explaining himself.
How the frick do you go from Thaddeus candidly admitting he felt bad about bullying Maximus, to THAT?
Why does writing like this not bother regular audiences?
DIRT NAPS
He gets to LARP as Iron Man
I fricking hate these insert shots
I don't get it, do normalgays think it looks cool?
it was moronic in Ironman and its doubly moronic now
Yeah the rockets being in the T-60's wrists felt needlessly iron man too. Like what the frick they literally had jetpacks in the games.
if anything those rockets should be reversed, Superman flight also lets you do rocket punches while Iron Man flight relies on weaponized backblast which forearm rockets like the ones in the show cannot do which makes them garbage
These scenes exist entirely to showcase the Power Armor & part status HUD, reversed on his face. You even see the left leg one flashing when it takes damage. That's basically the only reason it's in, just another visual reference, like the pointless "INV" tab on the Pip Boy since they're not in a game and don't have a frickin "Inventory"
My interpretation was that he was a covetous butthole who just happened to luck out enough to go on a power trip and mostly get away with it. Honestly, I kinda like having a character who's a more subtle piece of shit but of course he's a main character so he has to be a good guy sonetimes.
It's the fact that he obviously has plot armor because he's a main character. It doesn't matter if he lets his knight die, lies, threatens to murder his squire, attempts to steal Vault 4's fusion core (which would likely kill dozens of people), or deceives his elder by bringing him the wrong head to buy Lucy time to bring it to the NCR. You know he's going to get out of whatever he gets himself into and get the girl, as he gets himself out of being executed because... he didn't put razor blades in his friend's boots. I suppose that excuses the lies, death of Titus, and betrayal.
It's a great way to make the audience not be invested in a character.
Every single question about Maximus can be answered with "He's fricking moronic"
Genuine low Int character. If Bethesda weren't hacks and still did low Int dialogue I could absolutely see "Do you want to make my wiener explode now?" being a line in a romance quest.
This is how I interpreted his character. He's either a moron or a psychopath.
I honestly interpreted him as a psychopath from the start. He tells you outright that he joined the brotherhood to hurt people and that he wanted to see his best friend hurt out of violent jealousy whether or not he actually did it. Then the next thing he did was watch a man die right before his eyes.
>watch a man die right before his eyes.
You missed the point by idolizing Titus.
>tells Maximus suicide head first in the cave
>gets cucked by a yao guai
>continues shittalking Maximus as he's dying, despite the fact he's the only one that can save him
Titus being very deliberately a pathetic chud who had it coming to the point that Maximus killing him was self-preservation doesn't mean that him instantly deciding to murder him through inaction with a blank look on his face isn't concerning. He also immediately tried to do it again to Thaddeus to protect himself a guy who was essentially blameless.
>He's an autist
i'm on episode 2 and theres no other explanation. I dunno if they tried to do a Star Wars Finn situation but it turned out worse
He barely gets any better. I think he was initially intended to be Star Wars Finn but they went for a meta commentary on the average Fallout player who only wants to wear the power armor and be a moralgay. They botched it so hard he comes off of being a high functioning autist.
>meta commentary on the average Fallout player who only wants to wear the power armor and be a moralgay. They botched it so hard he comes off of being a high functioning autist.
How is that botching it? The average Fallout player is a high functioning autist.
So lets get down to it then
>Lucy
Some girl that picked up and played her brothers Xbox 360 and couldn't be assed to change the game. She plays a horny moralgay who just wants everyone to get along but has no idea she should be pumping speech
>Ghoul
Autist who is on his 100th playthrough and min maxed to shit. He is pretty much unstoppable and does whatever gets him the best reward
>Maximus
A literal braindead moron who prob started on fallout 4. He doesn't give a shit about factions, lore, or even what the npcs are doing. He just wants to get into his cool armor moron his way around the wasteland like a sociopathic austistic child with legos.
Not only that, but Goggins goes to WESTSIDE specifically to get drugs, in the show Lucy just separated from Goggins when she stumbles upon Maximus, making it likely that she's still in Westside. Meaning the "fiends" they met aren't chem fiends from Westside and Westside Goggins specifically went to for medicine was actually just absolutely 100% Westside that was barren from any chems.
They definitely realized he was quickly becoming the coolest character AND was less morally questionable than Maximus.
I don't even remember the ending to fo3
it's your destiny to kys
go on then
what are you waiting for
no don't look at fawkes just kys
Still didn't piss me off nearly as much as the Castlevania cartoon, which also seemed to receive more dick sucking.
>Cr1TiKaL liked it
Of course he would
Critikal also liked AoT’s ending. He’s a normalgay, who cares.
The amount of people who liked that piece of shit shocks and depresses me, normalgays truly have no taste
They HAVE to like it, they invested way too much time in something nerdy to admit they just feel negatively about it.
You understand that it's the author self-character assassination in order to keep the show from existing right?
Wait, how did they make House look bad. He was clearly depicted as the only smart/level headed one in the board room meeting. I'm sure that will play into season 2.
They didn't, that's not the issue. The issue is that House predicting the nuclear apocalypse and preparing in advance is one of the defining aspects of his character, and his inclusion in this scene was entirely superfluous. Like really, his inclusion adds nothing to the scene, they just recklessly wrote him in without respect for the canon. But better than being written into the show just to get written out like the NCR.
To be fair, House telling his Lieutenant he predicted the apocalypse using math and shit when in reality he was just told when it would happen is perfectly within House's character.
Holy shit, thank you. I wasn't imagining it, House did mathematically predict China and USA would nuke each other in Fallout New Vegas. He has no reason to appear here and it just undermines his character since he's working to PREVENT his home turf from being nuked. This should all be making him angry at the state of humanity when in this glow in the dark meeting with Vault Tec.
Would it be entirely wrong to suggest that the "Real" House in the show and the AI House from NV could remember things differently because of the process of being turned into AI and having circuit degradation?
He isn't an AI, you idiot. Did you never do a non-House playthrough?
Shit, that's right, I'd forgotten all about that. Disregard then.
House isn't an AI in NV. He's plugged into his network, but he is still (incredibly old, machine preserved) flesh and blood.
I think they're gonna go with an AI Mr House and try to dance around the ending of New Vegas by making every ending canon. Courier is away/implied to be facing Ulysses, House is around as an AI, Caesar and NCR take turns owning Hoover Dam every week/implied to be an on-going conflict. Yes Man and Benny won't be there at all.
There is no NCR now
Why yes, it would be entirely wrong to have to cope this hard to contort the canon around a fricking Amazon TV show. Come on, man.
Jej
>Power armor protects from radiation
>His sole companion enters the water with him unprotected to do nothing
>As the leader he doesn't care or even acknowledge why that's a bad idea and useless gesture to be in the radiated river with him
>He was actually fine with letting an entire vault community who housed and healed his injuries with dying because he wanted a battery for his big boy suit
I fricking hate our "hero". He may even be a parody for the typical Reddit and normalgay player of modern Fallout games, 0 Intelligence when playing just wants the power armor on the cover.
I mean, that's the characters flaw. You're supposed to dislike him for it. He idealizes Knighthood like it's being a superhero, but once he realizes that part is sort of a farce he mostly just wants the armor and the power as a security blanket.
Every other scene including Maximus gives me a polarizing idea of what we are supposed to think of his character. And not in a
>Hmm, this character has complicated morality
like Howard, It just feels like they can't decide what kind of character he is.
Why the frick did he try murdering Thaddeus before he even bothered explaining what happened with Titus? Why did he even reveal himself to Thaddeus if it wasn't because of moral qualms?
I was more surprised that Vault 4 let him walk out of there with his power armor on. Because, when you think about it, the only way it makes sense is if they just decided not to take it by force, even though, they absolutely understand it's vital for their survival and if they don't take it by force they are likely to die anyway.
But if anything, it looks like the implication is that they don't know that Finn stole their fusion core because they couldn't establish causality (someone stole our fusion core -> someone in power armor starts walking around the Vault wrecking shit) and everyone in the Vault (both natives and surfies) would definitely understand that power armors need fusion cores.
why insist on it being le canon if you don't give a single frick about the world? No one would give a frick if it was just a post apocalypse show with vault boy and 50s music. Is it THAT important to spit in the faces of a small fanbase of 90s CRPGs?
>Bethesda
References the Indiana Jones fridge scene seriously, and in doing so writes the worst retcon in Fallout history (ghouls don't need food or water)
>Fallout show
References the Indiana Jones fridge scene seriously, writes it into one of the worst retcons in Fallout history (Shady Sands was nuked in 2277, Maximus survived by hiding in a fridge)
>New Vegas
References the Indiana Jones fridge scene, as a random encounter that only spawns if you pick the silly perk
Really jogs the ol' noggin
haven't seen the show yet but did they really give the brotherhood characters roman sounding names? they really are trying to turn it into post apocalypic 40k, aren't they?
>Brotherhood of Steel has a troony in their ranks
>New California Republic nuked and then later has rebranded as Raiders(tm) without even NCR Rangers among them
>Followers of the Apocalypse probably not a faction yet canonically to be ruined
>No one ever talks about what's happening in Washington DC at this moment
>None of Enclave or Mr New Vegas' broadcasts are ever heard even by our Pipboy wearing heroine
>No one in post apocalypse California speaks Spanish
>Fricking zero hatred of China present
Alrighty then. Noticing how none of these things reflect on Fallout 3 and 4 who walk away unscathed from Amazon and Bethesda present Fallout(r).
On one hand, what are they going to do that can ruin 3, 4, or 76? On the other hand, it is bizarre how 1, 2, and NV eat every single bad writing bullet the show had to fire.
It's not bizarre at all. It's Bethesda actively killing the old legacy of Fallout for their own means and marketing. There is a deep layer of irony that the show has an evil and incompetent corporation plotting to destroy the world (setting) so they can build it back up in their own image.
ryuji should be green and fuuka should be yellow, but I like Mizako being white
*mitsuru
oof
?t=70 Was anyone wondering why they made a plot point of Lucy walking barefooted? Then Maximus finds her missing boot and thinks it must be her. This is the low IQ character who started using the flying function the Power Armor and has high perception for women's footwear. They drew attention to her missing boot for nothing? Does this say footgays are low INT builds if that's the only thing Maximus remembers about Lucy?
>giant mutant salamander has human eyes for some reason
It's not a radiation mutant, it's genetically modified abomination
They're FEV subjects or something. The show does a poor job of explaining it, honestly. Or making it relevant to the plot, for that matter.
>Wow, thanks for patching us up, Vault 4.
>Hey, no problem. By the way, please don't go to the restricted level.
>goes to the restricted level
>Oh my God, they were impregnating people with fish-babies that then eat their human mothers.
>beats the shit out of security
>Actually, those were old FEV experiments and all we're doing down there is caring for the remaining test subjects, by the way I am descended from fish-men.
>Oh... what are you going to do to us?
>We're going to let you go and give you 2 weeks worth of supplies. Bye!
At first, you think the episode's purpose is to give Maximus a replacement fusion core for his power armor by stealing the vault's. He does steal it, but he's forced to return it by Lucy, so the entire episode is pointless except for the moral lesson of not judging mutants. Or maybe it's supposed to be about Lucy learning that the vaults entailed experiments, I don't know. Either way, it felt like a bad side quest with no relevance to the plot.
i see stocking, i cum
>converts an entire generation to his faith with just a few simple words
Why didn't Muldover get any character development despite being the primary antagonist after the season's MacGuffin (the cold fusion cell)? Why didn't any of the NCR remnants get speaking roles?
They build up Muldover, but in the end she dies to a gut shot that's fired off-screen without once talking about the NCR. She doesn't... DO anything except raid Vault 33, tell Lucy that her dad's an butthole, and die after activating the cold fusion reaction. She has a wanted poster in the "government" HQ, the shopkeeper in Filly says "everyone knows who she is", but it's like Lucy and everyone else are following the footsteps of a ghost. She has had no impact whatsoever on the setting.
>Muldover
I actually had to look it up but she's a Pre-GreatWar human. As the primary antagonist who's not a ghoul or robot, how she lived for over 200 years is unexplained. I don't think the writers forgot this, but setting up the antagonist without an explanation is shitty showrunner season 2 baiting. Nobody who knew her fricking asks how she lived for over 200 years. Not even the Ghoul Hollywood star.
Robot?
>Muldover
>New Vegas
>water chip
>Vault-Tec started the Great War (watch this be written out of the show)
The entire thing is "season 2 bait"
The Mexican Ghoul Raul from New Vegas is appearing in season 2. Book it. Quote me.
>They don't get Danny Trejo to reprise the role
To be fair, he doesn't look anything like Raul. If they get a stand-in and ADR Trejo's voice in, that wouldn't be a problem.
Played by Michael Mando
It's hard to care about yet another rape after 3, 4, and 76.
>Dies to Nature's Claim
>Make Mothman the best Fallout commander
What the frick did they mean by thiss
>Mr. House
>part of the vault tek cabal
>they all get neat cryogenics
>he's stuck as a mummy.
why would he do this?
coz hes not part of the cabal
in S2 it'll be revealed that he went
>yeah nah you guys went insane
and started his buildup
>Fallout 4 companions vs Starfields
What the frick went so wrong?
It's fricking weird how as bad as Fallout 4's writing was it had some of the best companions in a bethesda game.
Sex with Curie
>Sex with Curie in an assaultron body
No character quest for MY waifu, thanks.
Based
Frog wife
no one ever remembers the institute synth homie
just a bunch of forgettable gays
>Thoughts on him being okay with nuking his own country?
House was the one bringing up the mouse utopia and saying it's a waste of resources.
I won't condemn him though. People in his position knows that you can't be so reckless with opinions.
Besides, it gives him reason for knowing that the Fallout™ was inevitable and why he wanted that Platinum Chip.
The show is awful for specific reasons, but thankfully Bethesda actually propped House up to a better standing.
Maybe New Vegas won't be garbage next season, I can wait for it.
>Maybe New Vegas won't be garbage next season, I can wait for it.
I admire your delusion
That's why I said I can wait for it, I'm in no rush or hype at all.
Since when did PA have a weakpoint?
Since Fallout-4, the fusion co-
Oh, you mean the ventilation tube being some sort of balance stabilizer i guess?
yeah I guess they have two weak points now oops.
He's actually referring to the now-canon "weak point" of all T-45 power armor at the base of the chest plate, not the tube. It's in the final episode, Goggins just shoots through the armor after announcing the weakness to everyone in the room, because it's cool.
so 3 weak points, got it. Very cool!
Fallout games would be better if power armor had weakpoints you could exploit so fighting them was tactical and not just sponges
In fact all enemies should have counters/weak points, this idea of going with pistols then dealing 10,000 damage per shot vs everything is boring.
I'd be okay with that if they went back to DT style invulnerability for the rest of the body.
Same, full protection on plate (minus a rocket or something similar) but then weakpoints you target. Makes VATS more sensible as a tool too rather than 'spam head'.
But why does a random ghoul know about a glaring flaw not even China knew about during the war?
He wore the armor before the great war.
He wore a T-45. That was a T-60.
don't think about that too hard, he wore the armor one time, that means he's an expert in all power armor, of course.
He wore the T-45 which had a fatal flaw which was brought up a few times in the story, the new armor the T-60s he questions if they fixed the flaw, shoots and says nope.
Annd now it's an issue again. This would have leaked to China and fricked up PA burgers. It also makes me think the engineers were brown.
Not really. Military complex always manufacture things to be as cheap and reliable as possible with insane hike in price to leech off system. That's how military always like around the world. T45 armor was the foundation of power armors and it was considered hot garbage. T51 came out as superior but it was too expensive to manufacture, so manufacturers made T60, which is essentially T45 on steroids.
Eh, I guess they could retcon in T-51s fixing this flaw.
I think that's the lore implication since Fallout 4. West Tek crapped out T-45 and it was hot garbage. They did a revamp and produced T-51 which was excellent and essentially won America the Achorage campaign. However it was too expensive due to material and manufacturing costs, so they made the T-60 model which was pretty shit but at least removed some of the T-45's flaws.
He was a Vault-Tec / West-Tek shill or something
>Since when did PA have a weak point?
Since the scene called for Goggins's character to do something super cool
The new Amazon Fallout season 2 will be full of gays and trannies in all New Vegas factions. And there will be an female Caesar's Legion called Cleopatra's Mommas. There will be a scene of a Securitron either dilating House's body or showing him looking at futa girl porn before walked on. No one will ever mention China by name.
>The new Amazon Fallout season 2 will be full of gays and trannies in all New Vegas factions. And there will be an female Caesar's Legion called Cleopatra's Mommas. There will be a scene of a Securitron either dilating House's body or showing him looking at futa girl porn before walked on. No one will ever mention China by name.
The only thing I disliked about the show, apart from the brotherhood character whose written like a complete cuck, is that they wrote out the USA v Russia/China conflict entirely outside of communism briefly.
It makes a lot more sense from Vault Tecs perspective to let the world reset with them as the only ones left given the context of a global conflict of factions. But clearly the writers genuinely think writing about a fictional setting is going to magically make it happen.
i just watched the first episode and i don’t understand how the vault girl knew what raiders were.
She said it so that the audience would clap when they heard "raiders"
Another day another instance of Gankeriggers pretending to be writing experts while missing the obvious details
Why didn't her pip-boy go off while they were dancing or fricking or even when meeting the others at the vault doors?
The vault suit actually does protect against radiation, slightly.
Vault suit was very much off when they shagged. Unfortunately I recall the shot of man ass.
Written by hollywood, oversights are expected
The issue that people have with that scene isn't that Lucy has no way of knowing that they're from the surface, the issue is that she specifically refers to them as "raiders" for pure Fallout brand recognition. Power armor, Pip-Boy, Vault Boy, Dogmeat, raiders, etc. This is the iconography of Fallout, and the show wanted the audience to know that these are "raiders", rather than them merely being antagonistic murderers from the surface. "Raiders" is itself a surface term.
And as others have said, the whole "they're irradiated" thing is moronic when 1.) someone's Pip-Boy would have undoubtedly picked up trace radiation during the wedding banquet and 2.) unless everyone who married into Vault 33 from 32 is dead, someone would have immediately recognized that they don't know a single one of the Vault 32 "inhabitants".
You forgot about Lucy's dad also knowing Moldover but somehow not recognizing her when she doesn't even hide her face at the tradeover.
Did they actually acknowledge that they knew each other previously? Obviously Muldover knows who MacLean is, but does MacLean know who Muldover is?
He literally says "I think I know who you are" in episode 1
Only after she's holding his people hostage, not when they meet.
Idk, just seems odd you'd blow up a town and not remember who your wife was having it off with.
Yeah it was weird that she just knew the exact outside world terminology.
I guess the excuse could be that her father taught her about raiders.
The story is just nonsensical the more you think into it.
The reason why the Vault knows that terminology is a part of the plot you find out at the end of the season.
He stole them then nuked them.
What was the reason?
She also knows what a Knight is.
She knew after her pipboy went off with radiation, indicating he was from the surface
So did they get that water filter for vault 33?
Who fixed 32?
Why did the brotherhood leader trust maximus with literally everything after he betrays them?
>brotherhood leader trust maximus
Point of view you're the Brotherhood of California Elder:
>A rookie/squire came back and you lost a Power Armor, its fusion core, a veteran Knight, another squire is missing, tons of ammo/gun lost, last your heard the other rookie was given a knife boot
>All this happened because of one fricking rookie who keeps lying to you
>He shows up empty handed on top of it
If Cooper nuked Shady Sands how did he get his kids back?
Vault Tec being behind the nukes was always the most moronic theory. Even the aliens one is better.
I hate Bethesda as much as they hate us.
>wasted a memberberry on riot gear/ranger combat armor being worn by two rando farmers instead of featuring the armor being worn by actual NCR veteran rangers during the observatory battle
There's two possibilities: either these two clowns were actually random lead farmers, or the father was retired NCR ranger and his sons were killed as a humiliation ritual. It's a lose-lose.
Imagine it
>Brotherhood enter the observatory
>Lights go out same as it happens with the ghoul
>Red glowing eyes of the helmet or helmets if multiple, of Ranger vets
>Start slaughtering the Brotherhood losers, glimpse shots from the perspective of the Rangers with nightvision to clearly see in the dark building
>They can still end up dying and the Brotherhood still winning, but they can at least go out fighting and take a squad of Brotherhood with them
Like anyone with a fricking brain would figure this
But of course it wouldn't matter, perhaps the writers did indeed have something like this in mind, but either way the whole thing was just a fricking hitjob against the NCR to destroy and humiliate them without any respect at all, because Bethesda wants it
Sorry, we had to kill off the NCR as fast as possible, please understand
it's because, Bethesda and anyone else can claim that Bethesda has no ill will towards New Vegas of anything from the old games.
But I promise you, I guarantee Bethesda at least seethes about the Ranger vet outfit and how it is a fan favorite without being power armor, because they don't understand how armor in the setting which isn't power armor could be cool, and they have no idea how to make any kind of cool armor other than power armor. The Ranger vet outfit is a hit and Bethesda has never understood the formula for success behind it nor been able to replicate it, so they remain butthurt about it. Or at least butthurt about it's enduring popularity.
>Bethesda's attempt at their own version of cool, non-power armor
why's he wearing pieces of a mattress?
Ran out of toilet pieces
>green light on helmet lights up
>opens pocket
>takes out cheese and crackers
>begins snacking
>red light on helmet lights up
>stops snacking, places cheese and crackers back in pocket
>green light lights up
>opens a different pocket
>takes out grapes
>begins snacking
>red light lights up
>stops snacking, places grapes back in pocket
>green light lights up
>opens another pocket
>takes out walnuts
>begins snacking
snackticool
piecemeal armor was a mistake. All the armor sets in FO4 look like shit because they have to be designed as separate underarmor/torso/leg/arm pieces that have to be modular so they can be mixed/matched. Nothing looks cohesive and everything has to have these moronic gaps
Bethesda was never good at designing armor. It all stems from the art director for these games being a nepo hire because he’s Todd’s old school buddy.
its obvious some parts of beth are seething hard at FNV. In that the manager side of it. not sure about Todd himself seeing as how he was the one to push for FNV in the first place despite the internal resistance and remembers to invite guys like tim cain or brian fargo to big fallout release events
In general looking how they treated their subcontractor that delivered their most successful spin off ever, as FNV sold in equal amounts to their beloved F3, and not giving them more work after the fact.
a less high schooly company would have approached obsidian after FNV in buying the ownership and incorporating them as Bethesda:Irvine branch. Much like they did with the boobs in Austin that ended up shitting out the F76 bomb. God knows Feargus was ready to sell seeing how much he schemed to get avellone out of the owner share money pie to make the way for the microsoft buyout
Aside from Bethesda refusing to reward Obsidian's bonus for 1 measly Metacritic point and Avellone's vague comment about Bethesda not being happy about the "good and bad" of New Vegas's reception, I don't think there's any evidence of this.
Ironically, this is actually MORE concerning than Bethesda having a hidden agenda against New Vegas and Obsidian, because Bethesda's handling of the Fallout IP is so wildly incompetent that it has been consistently misinterpreted as malice for more than a decade. (The show is "Bethesda Fallout" as well.) The truth is probably much more mundane, which is that Bethesda is Bethesda, they haven't developed a great game since Morrowind, and they degrade the integrity of every one of their IPs with each successive product.
thats my take too, they're a bunch of lazy tired boomers sitting on well loved IPs, they don't really care enough to have grudges or ebil plans
>aside from the evidence, I don't think there's any evidence for this.
>the truth is probably [just that Bethesda is incompetent]
It can be both, Todd. Bethesda seethes at another company making their product better than them, and stealing the mindshare for years to come, AND they're too incompetent to do anything about it besides shit and stomp(tv show).
>refusing to reward Obsidian's bonus for 1 measly Metacritic point
more conspiratard minded think they might have bribed enough reviews to tank the score juuuuustttt below the threshold. Money wise that plebs fixate on it would make sense as its the difference between 37+ something million flat development cost vs 600+ million of potential royalties percentage. But as this points out
smart business would have been snatching up the decently punching AA mid weight subcontractor and plastering the beth name on it while having plausible deniability as a subbranch. If it were purely about the money that is as FNV did in fact sell roughly the same amount as F3 despite the buggy release
there is definitely more to this then simple and boring accountants risk analysis
>there is definitely more to this then simple and boring accountants risk analysis
It has been kind of memory holed, but New Vegas was nearly unplayable at launch due to bugs, and that was the reason the metacritic score was what it was. Avellone, Sawyer, and Urquhart have all tried to fight the narrative that they were "screwed".
as if oblivion or F3 were not nearly unplayable buggy as frick when they launched. those too have been memory holed
Does Chris not realize that this just makes it sound worse?
If Obsidian insisted on the Metacritic bonus, then they would look idiots.
But since Bethesda put that in, Obsidian looks like scrappy underdogs screwed by company that didn't give them enough time.
>screwed by not getting money they didn't even ask for
Yeah, terrible.
Well the thing to do would have been to either negotiate for more time, or stop with feature creep and instead focus on bugfixing. But they didn't do that and the game released as it was. Avellone and Urquhart blame overconfidence on their company's part. Honestly, I think 84 was pretty good for a game that wouldn't even launch for a lot of people.
>New Vegas was nearly unplayable at launch due to bugs
Actually just false. People played that shit on CONSOLES on launch. It was no buggier than any beth title so it's not really relevant.
>hurr but you said it's as buggy as beth titles and those are bad lol
Not unplayable, moron.
ps3 NV is still that buggy though, crashes every few hours
It was fricking ROUGH dude, and you can argue about how it's le not fair that the consoletards ruined your game's precious reception, but it was REALLY fricking bad.
If only they knew the game was rigged from the start.
>tell dev team they'll get a bonus for an 85 or higher on metacritic, making them work harder
Meanwhile, Metacritic HQ gets a call from Bethesda.
>"Give New Vegas an 84 or we'll stop paying for your E3 tickets."
Now that's how you make your devs work extra for a bonus you never intended to give them. Truly devilish.
Todd personally threatened to fire the CEO of metacritic
metacritic doesn't assign scores, they're based on other sites' scores
>it wasn't Metacritic that kneeled to Bethesda, it was all the review sites
Think about it, if Godd Howard himself flops his chess-club wiener on your desk, what are you going to do? Say "No"? Don't make him laugh.
>Aside from Bethesda refusing to reward Obsidian's bonus for 1 measly Metacritic point and Avellone's vague comment about Bethesda not being happy about the "good and bad" of New Vegas's reception, I don't think there's any evidence of this.
There's in fact more evidence to the contrary, but the "underdog" narrative has become a false idol to a small but loud group of people.
Oblivion mogs troonywind btw
Yeah, Todd and Emil obviously are fuming mad about NV even all these years later. They can say they love NV all they want, but their actions speak louder than words. They constantly 'inadvertently' shit on west coast canon and in their games pretend that stuff from the west coast doesn't exist or didn't happen.
There's also just the total difference in tone. In the original games and NV, the 1950s leave-it-to-beaver shit was specifically in the past. Nobody in the post-apocalypse acted like they were ripped straight out of the 50s. The whole point was to juxtapose the cheery naive optimism of 1950s americana with the pessimistic dark tone of the destruction that this led to. It wasn't until Bethesda's games that they started really cranking up this hokey 50s shit and suddenly characters in 2277+ are acting like they're from Happy Days
why does it look so ugly
Humiliation ritual
>The helmet isn't a helmet but a 3 dollar 3d printed face mask that lacks third dimension.
>the filter is flat, the glasses are poorly set in, the bicycle helmet is separate from the mask.
>the coat has a fricked up rag instead of a gunflap
Costume designers are such fricking garbage, instead of using something like an stallhelm they picked some chink biking helmet
The Brotherhood of Steel only hires the best genuine morons.
The New(er) California Republic only commits the finest legally contracted war crimes.
Vault-Tech Overseers have personal Fatboys and mini MIRV to use US Federal Gov nukes on a whim.
Somehow a nuke's heat blast didn't fricking immediately kill our Hollywood ""rogue"" anti-hero (he's a villain).
No one cares about running out of water in Vault 33 after being told by the janitor their water filter is broken and the passage of time implies weeks have passed on their 60 day countdown.
Fallout 3 and 4 btw are unaffected by this shitshow on Amazon while Fallout 1,2, New Vegas take bullets up the head by Bethesda writers.
China never mentioned by name at all btw.
China will be retconned from an oppressive dictatorship to a poor innocent nation attacked by imperialist capitalist America.
>the west coast shitfest is so big it completely overshadowed the other retcons like the ghoul shit
ghoul shit has been retconned and changed a dozen times over so it doesn't really matter anymore
Not that anon but they're so haphazard (heh) about Fallout lore it's quite sad they can't keep consistency even in their own universe. Evidently power armors have jet pack capabilities now.
Where are the super mutants and synths in the show?
I'm shocked they didn't have any super mutants. Guess the CG was too much
A super mutant is teased at the Enclave base (on a gurney, under a sheet) and there's a super mutant face among the wanted posters in the gub'mint building.
What the frick
No Super Mutants because they burned all the FX budget on Power Armor flight, Backgrounds, and the mutant Axolotl/radroaches/yaoguai. Might see some next season at best, it'd be a huge miss if they didn't
They’re all going to be morons that talk like cave men aren’t they?
Reminder that people vigorously defended Fallout 4 after it came out and only started to accept that it might actually be kind of bad years after the fact.
If something is popular and has spectacle behind it people are going to defend it simply because they want to enjoy something- this happens all the time. The critique will come later when the craze has died off.
yup give it 6 months and the support will disintegrate, on here and elsewhere. Brand loyalty and the need to consoom is unbearable
Show isn't canon frick off
Robert House POV in Fallout as presented by Amazon and Bethesda
>Invitation to a Vault-Tech roundtable turns into a Illuminati Conference (sponsored by Nuka Cola)
>CEOs start talking blowing up United States
>All of my big boy contractors come from the US Federal Government
>Who will be my clientele in a radiated USA
>Actually how will I survive
>Frick, I shouldn't have ordered standard delivery on my Securitrons firmware USB chip
>FRICK what am I doing here, I gotta build more missiles defense grids to hit those nukes
>>CEOs start talking blowing up United States
why do they want to do this, how will they make money
The black lady wanted to say war never changes and didn't think out the rest guy Vault Tech plan.
you see if you kill everybody else using your moneys so that you are the only one left holding the moneys then you effectively own all the moneyz! le Capitalism...le capitalism never changes am I rite fellow caligayians (smug face)
You see if the US population is entirely Vault Tec employees other people they tricked into the vaults then they achieved total market share!
Also let's not forget that in this meeting everyone besides VT has all their factories and facilities above ground. Big MT only survived because of house but everyone else had all their facilities and products melted into radioactive slag. Why would they have agreed to any of it?
>company that I own is speaking for itself
>Sinclair is representing Big MT for some reason and is a fat old man now
>here is your Frederick Sinclair bro
Begin your diet again and let go of the fricking fork.
No wonder Vera didn't want you
This guy looks awesome. Shit choice for sinclair though
>this is the dude that buckbroke and lived rent free inside Dean Domino's head for the last 200+ years
No wonder Vera didn't want anything to do with him kek.
>didn't make a single Rick and Morty tier joke
Disappointing
It’s him. It’s Big MT
what does Sinclair have to do with Big MT? he was literally their guinea pig throughout the entire development of the Sierra Madre
and why did they make him old, fat and bald? he looked like this in the game
Sinclair being a rich fat scumbag seems fitting tbh
he was never fat or a scumbag though. he was actually a pathetic cuck who almost got taken by some druggy porn bawd and her pimp dean domandingo trying to long con him.
writers didn't pay the game
>Think Tank couldn't make the meeting since Mobius was bombed out of his brain on mentats while Klein was drinking himself into a stupor since the US has fallen
>sent their latest client in as a talking head since no one at Big MT outside of those two were functional enough to sit in a room without throwing a spastic fit
Dala couldn't do it since shes half Chinese and is a chronic masturbator. Dr 8 was an audiophile that can't into conversation. Dr Borous would end up shouting everyone down and Dr 8 would take this opportunity to strangle House with his bare hands.
*Dr 0
*Dr O
Sinclair was their highest profile client, so he became their liaison
Kind of like Jared with Subway
People weren't lying, this show shits all over F1, F2 and New Vegas canon
>Every Fallout game that wasn't made by them was humiliated then executed
I hate Bethesda and Amazon so much it's unreal. This is peak pettiness out of Todd Hodward, like the kid who would break his toys than donate them.
Todd Howard raped so many 3 year old girls buttholes
Mr house wasn't created by bathesda. he was created by obsidian entertainment
oh shit I just realized Microsoft owns both bathesda and obsidian entertainment now. please take me back to my own dimension
Considering all the insane sloppy writing they'll probably invent a way to de-ghoulify people in Season 2. But it has a side effect of memory loss or someone benign. Not like the Hollywood ghoul deserves it, he's an evil aligned karma character and nowhere near neutral.
>Maximus is a 10 END, 1 LCK, 1 CHA build with plot armor
>Goggins is abusing VATS and picking the arbitrary evil karma option every time
>Lucy is doing a minmax playthrough where she picks the optimal outcome every time
The characters are all really weird. Somehow the brother in the vault is more interesting than any of them.
>Prime now have ads
>They are the same garbage ads of youtube and netflix
Imagine pay money for see the same ads of youtube (impersonation of celebrities pointed out a "great deal" on a shitty product ) Now celebrities warn to the audience never trust any of the products and brands.
I don't pay Prime anymore, i got Fallout of torrents and Prime itself is useless (for me) because I live near of a center of distribution
>BoS knights don't carry food and water, they can walk around in their suits for prolonged periods of time with a squire only needing minor maintenance
>BoS don't have laser weaponry but the NCR leader had a laser pistol
>NCR don't have Service Rifles, that's like the laziest omission they've done so far
>raiders don't use pipe guns
>even FO3's Service Rifle is nowhere to be found
>Vault-Tec has nuclear weapons they can deploy but they didn't use it against the BoS or the Enclave
>they have Commonwealth radio in Los Angeles, they're going to introduce the Minutemen next season
>Vault-Tec daddeh is heading to New Vegas to thaw out Mr. House who must be in a casino Vault somewhere
>BoS are so incompetent they lost 3 Vertibirds and the entire first squad got decimated
>Vault-Tec has nuclear weapons they can deploy but they didn't use it against the BoS or the Enclave
The only explanation is that the nuking of Shady Sands was pure pettiness on MacLean's part. The BoS and Enclave are definitely bigger threats and more organized.
I’m glad they didn’t have pipe weapons, the pipe weapon design from FO4 was god awful.
>be black
>get your tomboy bestfriend injured
>get your knight killed because he just called you mean things
>bully your new squire...
>who betrays you at the first sign anyway
>the Elder realizes you've lied twice yet kept you alive
>reveal to your tomboy bestfriend that you plan to leave the Brotherhood, potentially getting her killed later on
>you managed to survive Cooper's ambush despite him soloing multiple Knights
>gets promoted to a Knight anyway because you're the first person near the dead NCR woman and your tomboy bestfriend declared you a hero
How did he get past test audiences? Do black people really?
>get your tomboy bestfriend injured
That’s a troony
You lack media literacy
does he even have one line in the show? i don't remember, but like others said, not making a fuss when you're invited to the illuminati meeting is in character for House, like hiring a simple courier to deliver the chip, not blowing up the casino when you know benny is betraying you an dshit
i find it funny that it wasn't enough for the writers to nuke the NCR, they had to genocide all the surviving remnants at the end of the season. it's just comically overkill.
i guess there's technically the survivors in vault 4, but they're civilians
I'm going to install the lore-accurate mod, play as Nora, and then have sex with every Canadian in Fallout 4 as a form of reparation for what her husband did to their people.
>not playing as Nate the Rake with the Nora mod so you can go around cleaning up the world of the maple syrup menace as husbant and waifu
Ngmi
That's gay. Canadian lives matter
Emil backpedaled on that
Too late, it's canon. Dumbledore is gay, and Nate is a war criminal.
Lol it’s too late. It’s the internet. He said it, he willed it into existence with his authority on the matter, and when you do something like that you can’t just immediately undo it. Especially when he was so unironic about it at first.
Nate is forever le rake man, and that’s how it’s gonna be in Fallout discussions going forward. Bro laughs at POWs getting capped and twitching dead on the ground.
didnt read the thread but he was clearly portrayed as a skeptic
im very certain he'll be an antihero come season 2
More than a skeptic though, House would be opposed to the idea, and Sinclair would simply be completely uninterested in it at all because he has his own contingency plan
for all intents and purposes we still dont know if they launched it as there is a timegap between the meeting and 2077
>repconn was purchased by robco in 2075, but they are in the meeting
>cowpoke was paying alimony, was reduced to a clown, some time must have passed
my guess is house either resigned from the group, or were cast out, and he decided to build up for the apocalypse as he was certain everyone were racing to drop the bombs at this point
I think you're being petty with the sinclair thing, why wouldn't sinclair build a casino/vault for him and his girl when he KNOWS someone will drop the bomb, either VT or chinks (or aliens)(or US)
well my courier prob got killed in Shady Sands so oh well
oh and house also makes fun of a hypothetical casino, indicating Sierre Madre isn't built yet, further supporting the time gap "theory" I have
I think that meeting kick started mass building of vaults by 4-5 companies (not sure about House) but they didnt drop the bombs, even if they were planning to. we'll see more I guess as beth just looooves making sure pre-2077 seethes into post-2077 lol
>why wouldn't sinclair build a casino/vault for him and his girl when he KNOWS someone will drop the bomb
That's *why* he builds the Madre. But he does it on his own in secret, he wouldn't bother with Vault-tec or any of his nonsense, he just retired from the world and tried to make his own survival plan.
Vault-tec trying to entice him to anything, he'd just be like, frick it I can do that on my own and I'll need every penny I habe for that, can't waste any spending on Vault-tec vaults
I understand how heartbreaking his portrayal was, and I know beth is creating backgrounds for characters that probably didnt need further details, but I just dont think its not that awful to portray him as a s successful business person who also has his own personal arc going on
I'll concede that it is weird to portray him as Big MT head, the relationship was conveyed as a contractor/contractee kind of relationship back in NV
but I genuinely dont think show heavily contradicts anything in NV apart from the 2277 thing which I believe is a genuine mistake and was supposed to be 2287 or something
I think it's time we admit that every cope we come up with to rationalize House's involvement is pointless, because whatever's written into season 2 will be 100 times dumber
>im very certain he'll be an antihero come season 2
bro i killed him with a golf club, amazon ain't about to retcon my playthrough i'm calling jeff rn
Not to add to the pile, but by making Sinclair complicit they've also retroactively ruined Dead Money. The whole point of the Sierra Madre was that it was the tragic result of an idealist and naive man who wanted to keep his loved ones save making so many bad judgement calls that his paradise turned into one of the deadliest parts of the Wasteland. When you make him not only the head of the Big MT (which makes no fricking sense since they he contracted them for the tech in the Sierra Madre, and they fricked him over because that was the only way he could afford them) but also okay with nuking humanity, his story is no longer tragic or interesting. Dean Domino was an butthole, but now Sinclair is a worse person than him.
don't worry, the shown version is Sinclair Sr.! Sinclair Jr. will be the Madre one!
Sinclair being a fat old man representing Big MT makes absolutely zero sense and reads like one of those things where the writer skimmed the lore and plucked a few names that they could shove in for their otherwise completely independently developed plotline about a capitalist conspiracy destroying the planet.
Exactly, he probably just skimmed a Sierra Madre recap. If they wanted to show the Big MT they should have had Klein there, he was unhinged enough to press the button (even though I don't think he'd do it considering how he actually loved America).
I haven’t played NV since release and kinda wanna give the DLCs a spin. Any mod recs? I’m thinking just essentials like a fan patch and playing it with minimal mods.
There's mods like the script extender, the mod that lets it run above 60FPS- a lot of people like jsawyer because it was originally from the game's director and makes a lot of balance changes to bring things more in line with the OG fallouts but your mileage may vary.
Thanks guys, I’ll give the viva new vegas site a look
just play vanilla, you dont really 'need' any mods
You'd be best to follow the "Viva New Vegas" guide. First half is purely bug and engine fixes so it's great for getting the game running on modern systems.
https://vivanewvegas.moddinglinked.com/
If you want a cool gun mod grab these two :
>https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/81321
>https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/84087
1.) I hate that House fictionalizing his foreknowledge of the bomb being dropped as a "genius" calculation is in-character for him.
2.) Regarding Vault-Tec and West-Tec dropping the bomb, I think the issue is that the writers are attempting to punch above their weight. It is possible (possible, not probable) to write this well, but the concept needs to be embodied by an extremely compelling, antagonistic character. Ironically, New Vegas's version of House is this, to an extent. (The show version of House is window dressing.) You need to an antagonist whose motivations are difficult to find fault with, but instead we get
>evil capitalist executive who wants to nuke the world for profit
>vindictive father
The meeting scene should have been about how profit itself is meaningless, and that the true apotheosis of capitalism is accumulating enough profit to unmake and remake the world. You'd basically have to rewrite the Vault-Tec executive's character, because she does not come across as an antagonist with strong ideological motivations - or for that matter, the intelligence or charisma to ally a room of CEOs to that ideology. She comes across as a cog in the machine (which is why Goggins can't get her to answer who decided the "no dogs allowed in the vault" rule), motivated by greed. You can't write such a significant plot development to be dependent on such a weak character.
MacLachlan's character is also moronic in a completely different way, but I have no idea what you do with him re: the whole Vault-Tec thing.
The thing is that House has the least reason of all of them to WANT the bombs to drop
I mean, it doesn't make sense for ANY of them to want it, not even Vault-Tec, but House's business absolutely requires the continuation of humanity and progress of technology
I could see a small argument for House's egotism to make him in favor of the plan, the idea that he can go from just a business magnate, to a potential autocrat of all civilization with no rules to play by but his own. His greatest motivation is control, with the snow globes, and this outcome he could control the whole country if his gamble paid off, or even control the whole world eventually.
It's just that, as egotistical as he is and would want that outcome, he wouldn't want destruction of civilization and near extinction of humanity to get what he wanted like that.
But they're not becoming the autocrat of civilization, they're explicitly sharing with the other magnates who all have their own vaults. There are so many layers of idiocy baked into this show that I can't fathom how anyone would praise or defend it.
House seems like the type to want a clean slate to start again in his own vision.
Yes but he was very staunch about not commiting genocide.
In House endings in NV if you have good karma - it says that he is really proud of you, and if you were bad he tries to please you but is secretly afraid. House is a good guy.
They knew that nuclear bombing was an inevitability hence the cabal and the plan to do it when conditions were right, but the bombs dropped early screwing them all over. House included
These threads are making me realize just how much I hate zoomer homosexuals, and just how right Boomers were.
fallout 4 was shat on release and is still rightfully terrible today
>Watching a live-action israelitewood tv show of a video game adaptation with added in Black folk for diversity.
SAVE ME FROM THIS HELL AHHHHHHHHHH
Discord is single most worst thing to ever happen to the Internet, and this does include twitter.
take your meds moronic gen war homosexual
by the way I missed two angles
>how did the commie cold fusion lady survive the war? did VT give chambers to subsidiaries too? guess so
>are we certain Hank nuked Shady Sands? or was it a "normal" bomb/missile? did they explain how did he acquire this means of destruction?
>how did the commie cold fusion lady survive the war? did VT give chambers to subsidiaries too? guess so
Unexplained. It's possible she might have also been frozen. She was extremely wealthy from Vault-Tec buying her companies up, so... uh, maybe.
>are we certain Hank nuked Shady Sands? or was it a "normal" bomb/missile? did they explain how did he acquire this means of destruction?
The crater is radioactive so presumably nuked. Otherwise, unexplained. West-Tek was a defense contractor part of their little illuminati group, so maybe they knew where some silos were...? It's pretty flimsy.
someone mentions that Shady Sands is an irradiated crater.
Really the whole thing would have been so simply and effectively fixed, if instead of Shady Sands, it was Hopeville. Hank gets butthurt and hires a Courier to deliver a package, and viola the Divide. A sloppy tie in to NV but it works, and you don't have to obliterate the NCR to service the plot
That would have required them to respect the games, Shady Sands is in fricking LA now (an LA that is no longer called Boneyard and doesn't fit together with FO1)
And Master probably isn't canon either what with vault doors above ground in Boneyard.
I am so sick of Bethesda. They are truly despicable, all they can do is turn BOS into a major faction of justice with cool power armor and force Todd's favorite mostly irrelevant storyline of the moment into a wasteland shit theme park.
They are going to stagnate endlessly and use existing material like the Enclave to tell the same story over and over again. Fricking hacks
>all they can do is turn BOS into a major faction of justice
man in this show they're a bunch of crass morons and murderers
although i guess bethesda didn't write this show
They must really not be able to tolerate the existence of areas where the BOS is not the primary faction.
idk this show was not some kind of glowing praise for the brotherhood. they've still got all the cool toys but their knights are dumbfrick cowards and they treat the squires like disposable slaves. the old dude says some shit about how they've lost their way.
frick the ghoul just pulls some bullshit 'weak point' out of his ass and makes power armor look like chumps.
i thought maximus would realize the BoS isn't the ideal from his memories and try to either change it or abandon it but instead he just stands around looking stupefied in 80% of his scenes.
Who cares about lore now? They are brain dead and don't care about story integrity. Normies will happily eat it up if the superficial costumes and accessories are good enough.
The Fallout series is dead. It will never come back.
There's a difference between a series you like being dead, and a series you like having its corpse puppeted by two of the most creatively bankrupt studios in their respective industries.
I liked it better when Bethesda at least stayed on the East Coast.
Who gives a frick about the non-canon TV show
Wrong board
thats the board for moronic low IQ normalgays
Did you fricking moronic? You may played f3, but f4 or f76? It's not a lore problem, you just have no taste.
sir please do not redeem
Why did Moldaver attack the vault with raiders? Are they actually supposed to be raiders and not NCR soldiers? If they're actually NCR soldiers, why are they behaving like raiders? If they're raiders, did Moldaver just promise them a vault to ravage? If so, why did they leave/not kill everyone? This means they have to be NCR soldiers, yes? So why are they behaving like animals instead of soldiers on a mission? Why was Moldaver le cryptic instead of explaining that they're kidnapping Hank because he nuked their city?
They obviously wrote the first episode first and then didn't think through the implications of the later episodes. Just garbage writing, the whole way through.
She hated Vault-Tec and didn't care if the people indoctrinated by them died. The only one she needed alive was Hank
She's the mom's lesbian lover or something, her willingness to kill lucy is a bit weird. And even if she doesn't value their lives, her plan is weird and reckless. Then there's the fact that she let all of the hostages run free whose lives she didn't value.
She let the hostages go because she realized she'd kidnapped characters who had lines later in the series, instead of literal who's. Rookie mistake.
>ay yo you know who it is
>its your boy House, Big House
>but you know how I'm out here living my life
>living it like I'm a straight up mansion
Only Fallout 1 and New Vegas are canon. Fallout 2 and Tactics are both broad-strokes canon. The rest in fanfiction tier; equivalent in canonicity to Fallout Equestria.
>Fallout Equestria
It have better writing than this show or anything Emil made
>and Tactics
The best Fallout btw.
as much as i love it thats so wrong. Coolest brotherhood designs imo, perfectly captures the techno-religious aspect better than even the original
Todd went to Boston, he seen the MIT and thought.
>Boston dynamics in the year 2287
Avellone is walking on thin ice and Josh turned into a political activist.
josh has basically always been a left-winger, he's just a left-winger who likes guns and history. he's fine in my book. pentiment was good.
Fallout 4 BoS ending is canon btw
I can't get over them writing the NCR out of West Coast Fallout, it's so funny. Like it wasn't enough to nuke Shady Sands, they had to genocide the remaining NCR at Griffifth Observatory too.
Imagine Amazon writing a show about East Coast Fallout where the Brotherhood of Steel is nuked off-camera, and then the survivors are hunted down and murdered by Talon Company, with only one of them getting a speaking role. And that's it, they're just written out of the setting. LMAO.
People who defend the show try to pull this gotcha of "see, they didn't reconsider anything!" but ultimately that doesn't matter. What matters is what they're doing to the setting in the end, and this is as shitty as Disney resetting the Star Wars galaxy into rebels vs. evil empire for member berries. In a similar vein, Bethesda wants Fallout to be permanently about wacky wasteland with endless raiders and digging through junk.
>reconsider
Retcon, frick, I hate phoneposting
Bethesda wants to swap their critical fans with normalgays, they have been trying since 4, you're just a stepping stone to them
normalgays have been part of Fallout since 3 though
They have been trying to get rid of you since you shat on it, you hurt Todd's ego. We got a simplified looter shooter with voice acting and pseudo cutscenes, a mobile game, multiplayer with MTX, and now they are destroying it all to start again. Just so you can shut up about it.
Eventually they'll succeed, because their strategy is making Fallout abhorrent to anyone with two neurons to rub together. But that's the appeal of Fallout: it's not high art in the slightest, but even Fallout 3 was a more "thoughtful" game than contemporaries like Call of Duty, Gears of War, Halo, or even Far Cry. It's because the IP is inherently historical and political. Fallout 3 entices the player with guns and gore, but the game gradually develops the player's interest in the setting on two levels: one, the small-scale "environmental storytelling", and two, the larger-scale "lore". Berhesda game are at their best when these two intersect.
The issue with this is that Bethesda is also OBSESSED with dumbing down. Dumbing down is the defining feature of their games. Every successive Elder Scrolls and Fallout game gets dumber, and Starfield is so fundamentally dumb that that stupidity has spread to the premise of the game itself: a space exploration RPG with no vehicles and effectively no (meaningful) space exploration. Seriously, what the frick? So Fallout is in a contradictory state of fostering curiosity and an interest in the canon in it players, while Bethesda is simultaneously trying to dumb down Fallout. It's insane, and the logical conclusion is that people who care frick off and become
>Only 1, 2, and NV are canon
types, which is sane
I've been critical of FO3 since day one, but I would give it credit that it at least had some token appreciation and research of the original canon inherited from Black Isle. Bethesda shat all over that since FO4, even the shit they introduced in 3.
3 wasn't that bad in retrospect. I think there are two main reasons. One is that this was their first game with the Fallout IP, so they tread more respectfully with regards to the canon. The other is that it was the only East Coast game. Now the geographic scale tilts to the East, and instead of the West Coast canon being imposed on the East, it's the inverse.
Like it's not that great of a game and you really feel it if you play TTW, but it still did a great job of adapting Fallout into a 3D open world RPG shooter.
>3 wasn't that bad in retrospect
3's whole ending is still one of the most moronic things I've seen in a videogame. Not just from a story perspective, but the fact that the big ending of the game is basically just the game playing itself.
Okay, yeah, the ending fricking sucks. I memory hole the worst parts 3 because they're that bad and mostly remember it as urban exploration: the game.
Just like FO 1 and 2
The thing is I would’ve been completely fine with the NCR collapsing if they acknowledged the issues plaguing the NCR in New Vegas. I would’ve handled the collapse like this:
>The NCR collapses over 14 years due to predicted famine and drought, no gold backed currency, rampant imperialistic overextension, corruption, senatorial infighting and pressure from the Legion war/Mojave campaign
>The 5 states (Shady Sands, Maxson, Hub, Boneyard and Dayglow) separate into factions ruled by feudal warlords fighting amongst themselves over resources and territory
>The Rangers mutiny and separate into their own faction, attempting to maintain order and civility in Arizona
Nuking the NCR offscreen by Vault Tec was the laziest way to do this.
You put more effort into building the world in this small post than Bethesda writers do. Why should they if they have been pretty open that this is just a silly wacky 50s apocalypse game with mutants and shit?
There’s tons of things you’d need to consider when it comes to the NCR collapsing. How would it affect the trading caravans (Crimson, Water Merchants, Far Go Traders)? Would they remain neutral or ally themselves to certain states? Would the Hubologists and Shi rise to power? Would the Vipers and Jackals return to California with the power vacuum open? What about the Gun Runners? The fall could’ve been one of the most interesting events in the setting if handled correctly, unfortunately Bethesda are insistent on East Coast iconography being present in the West Coast and if that means the most popular elements taking provenance so be it.
This is my issue as well. It's difficult to state what a waste this is in terms of writing. I struggle to think of a parallel, honestly.
A NCR collapse situation is stupid. Now, I didn't and will not watch the show(maybe if I pirate it, I wil watch) and didn't play lonesome road, but Im pretty sure NCR going down is unlikely. According to House calculation(and he is rarely wrong, he mathematically predicted the nuclear war) NCR actually comes out better if they lose hoover dam, and house has no interest in the fall of ncr, because it is "a society of customers".
I am glad to have invested in Stalker over this.
Feel free to Mock me when we have token American women in the zone if stalker 2 comes out
i don't think there are gonna be Black folk in STALKER 2 but some female stalkers is a possible scenario, though i hope it would be scientist/goverment only in that case.
Todd heard the complaints about 3, then greenlit NV. But it only hurt his ego more.
>Waaahhhh Bethesda Bethesda Todd Bethesda Todd Wwasaaahh
The my did nothing but collect a phat royalty check from Amazon.
Go b***h to the hack Hollywood writers who probably speed read a wiki and then write the script.
I wish the jannies could blacklist these threads, i rather have Capcom shilling than these larping homosexual tourists from >pic related and pisscord making these fallout threads.
>i rather have Capcom shilling
you should have a nice day
You homosexuals cant even shitpost right, and you keep crying over a fricking and shitty show and franchise.
DD is garbage game and you should have a nice day you bug loving homosexual
I take that over you homosexuals flooding Ganker with forced outrage garbage like a bunch of alphabet people desperate for that ol attwhorism.
Also, NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR homosexualRY! NOBODY!
when DD2 was released you spammed this board with your own outrage threads about game nobody beside moronic chinkoid subhumans care about
And still they weren't autistic as these shitty forced threads
everything is less autistic than pedophile weebs crying they cant make sexualized children as pawns you brain damaged homosexual
>Says the autist who defends a game whom's crier to a prostitutehouse casino was a 16 year old girl dressed as a stripper
>making stuff up
you unironiclly are mentally ill, have a nice day it will be a relief for your entire family
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Atomic_Wrangler_crier
>The Atomic Wrangler crier is voiced by child actor Ashley McGullam. According to Joshua Sawyer, it was likely an oversight, given the mature and sexual lines.
You raiding homosexuals don't even know your fricking game.
Caesar was right when it comes to NVgays larping as classicgays
Literally his description of the brotherhood when it comes to these or other fallout threads here at Ganker
Samegayging homosexual.
shes only a voice actress and you do not have sex with her you brain damaged mongoloid
>disingenuous pederast starts moving goal posts
nobody knew about some irrelevant voice actress to a single NPC in game meanwhile pedophile weebs caused capcom to remove serialization of children, leading to spergs screech and spam Ganker for weeks when DD2 released
Frick Todd Hodward, frick you Emil, frick Phil Spencer.
NCRcucks in shambles
>not one NCR soldier with a Service Rifle
I cant shit on the choice of guns too much. Mini-14's are canon now
funny how they made the assault rifle act as power armor weapon and also a Smart Gun from aliens
>Shady sands is literally just some neighbourhood outside LA and not an original settlement build from the ground up
The original creator of fallout defends THIS?
You have no idea what kind of homosexuals you're dealing with.
Just ended the gays choosing NCR in New Vegas lol
If the NCR is gone are places like Arroyo and Vault city also gone and just shitty shanty towns now?
They likely didn't take them into account at all. California in the show feels like a separate entity from Fallout 1 and 2 made as if it were introduced as a brand new location in a Bethesda game, which had a couple of unfitting references to FO1 tacked on later.
>Nvgays defending the Atomic Wrangler crier
Just ban these threads at this rate
as expected DD fanatic not only is a pedophile but totally unhinged and mentally ill, go back to your garbage game and stay out of fallout threads you moronic chinkoid
>Dude le girl who is only 15 years and 364 days old said le horny
Who gives a frick?
Bros is it true that Nate went full Operation Day of the Rake on Canucks?
Supposedly the idea was floated that Nate was the guy in Power Armor in Fallout 1s cutscene of the leaf being executed.
It is not official in any way.