>ITT: discuss the lore of Fallout in all its complexity.
I am a Fallout lore master. The Fallout lore is even soupier than before though. First is a list of the most important questions for the future of the lore.
>What is the status of New Vegas? Is House alive?
>if Vault-Tec are the supreme arch-villains, was the Institute just another faction they would’ve destroyed with nukes?
>How did Moldaver survive to 2296?
>Stephanie (pregnant blonde in V33) was originally from Vault 31 too. Yet this is unexplored, she’s just another exec then?
>does Vault-Tec not care about the Brotherhood of Steel? If not it seems unlikely they’re going to stand a chance against them as they’ve obviously destroyed the Institute “canonically”. Bethesda clearly doesn’t consider the implications of their canon. East coast Brotherhood is apparently the most powerful force in the wasteland.
>The Enclave is still active after the defeat in 2277, but for what purposes? Are they even aligned with Vault-Tec? (If they aren’t then that’s moronic)
The Lore has been shot to shit, but I’ll discuss it anyways. The funniest thing is people trying to pretend like the show didn’t CLEARLY state that Shady Sands was nuked in 2277. It’s lore-destroying (if FNV is lore), yet was clearly explicitly stated to happen in 2277. If Maximus was 6-7 when it happened, it’d make sense he’s about 26-27 in the show by 2296.
The two worst instances of lore-rape, is the exclusion of anything to do with The Master (the cathedral was in LA, and was nuked. Why couldn’t the crater in the show have been that instead of “Shady Sands”). Secondly is zero mention of the “New Plague” especially during Cooper Howard’s flashbacks. FEV was originally made to potentially combat New Plague before being assigned to defense purposes.
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Why did Vault Tec drop the nukes?
“To make money”
Essentially lol, that and they won’t even become “management” when the BoS can squash threats like The Institute (which is clearly what “canonically” happened). That I assume the BoS also has a near unlimited supply of purified water in DC? Yet they haven’t been nuked?
I’m assuming Vault-Tec nuked Shady Sands, and some other assault on New Vegas (because they want to rape NV’s lore as much as possible for their own purposes). Is The Enclave just another wing of theirs? It wouldn’t make sense if they weren’t. Vault Tec can be the politicians but The Enclave is their military. That won’t be used though lol
I cannot believe reading comprehension is this bad, they literally said it so that only those associated with Vault-Tec and other corporations can rule the world and rise from the ashes of it.
The arrow is clearly pointing towards the Mushroom Cloud, if it happened on 2277, then it would be right ontop of it. The Fall of Shady Sands likely means that it was a defining event which was the Beginning of the End.
To create a mono culture with the financial/intellectual elite as its eternal masters. Basically to do the thing schizophrenics are claiming has already happened.
haha yeah those dumb schizos haha they're clearly wrong
i think vault tec was going to drop the bombs but the chinese beats them to it. house in new vegas mentions the bombs dropping 20 hours earlier then anticipated but since he was at the meeting and close to the other corps he would have knowledge of the exact when.
what are some more obscure things that the first game establishes that subsequent games ignore?
If the mushroom cloud was ON 2277 then you'd be right, its not a hard concept. If this thread is really going to have to talk about the show, then it must be brought up that the master would have had a real good time with the 31-33 vaults especially since it contained PRE-WAR NORMALS WITH ZERO RADIATION. I can't even make a comparison for what kind of a find that would be, and not a hard one since the vault entrance sticks out in the middle of plain sight. Frick this stupid show man.
How old was Maximus when Shady Sands was nuked? Pretty obvious he’s like 5-7, the show taking place in 2296 is the proof. moron
There's a picture of a library book in one of the credit slides and the last borrowed date was 2276. Unless everyone became illiterate between then and the vague nuking it's pretty clear Shady Sands translocated to The Boneyard and got nuked because Dale Cooper got mad his wife took the kids and became a lesbian.
How can you hundreds of so-called "Fallout Loremasters" not understand the meaning of a fricking arrow
I've been playing the games since 2004 and know literally everything about them and aren't clutching my pearls and claiming the "lore is shot to shit", it isn't. YOU JUST DONT LIKE THE NARRATIVE. AND THAT'S FINE. You don't like Bethesda. Stop the fricking gaslighting. Bethesda lore is just a *reach*, it doesn't 'break' anything. It's just implausible, not literally impossible. You all look like the nitpicking schoolmarms you criticize so much. Christ.
How old was Maximus when Shady Sands was nuked?
If it happened later why wouldn’t they specify that by giving it a name and date like all of the other events. The nuking of Shady Sands would be a significant event. And why would a city be nuked after its fall, what’s the point in that, even if it’s spite why waste something like a nuke on nuking a city that’s already gone?
There is something I don't get about nuking Shady Sands. For one, the BoS would be fundamentally opposed to nuking civilians. Like even if Elias dug himself out of the ground and was foaming at the mouth to nuke California I think just about every knight, scribe, and latreen scrubber would hold him back from the button.
Secondly why would Vault Tec nuked Shady Sands? They're survivors from their own Vaults. For a company to nuke probably the only entity on the West Coast prominent enough to trade in its own currency it would behoove them to sell shit to them not kill them. What's the alternative? Figure out currency exchange of brahaman shit to US dollars for the few thousand people still alive in the West Coast?
Lastly, aren't the followers of the apocalypse supposed to have people in places to keep this shit from happening?
And shouldn't it be called Vault City?
I think the reason he nuked shady sands despite it being a society that came from a vault is because it wasnt under vault-tec control
think about it, vault-tec executives control vaults 32 and 33, they'd want these vaults to make a society on the surface and the vault-tec reps would always have control via the whole "when things are looking glum, vote 31" stuff
>why would Vault Tec nuked Shady Sands
Lesbian cuckoldery
It’s a perfectly reasonable justification for killing thousands of people when you really take the time to think about it.
Not really, it just makes him look like an even bigger cuck somehow
I am happy the NCR finally has a Wikipedia page tbh they deserve it
They do, but that page sucks dick. Clearly they only made it because people were looking it up due to its appearance in the show, with zero explanation on what it was all about really.
Vault-Tec is probably next. Enclave most likely never unless they choose to involve them in the show's plot.
You're an idiot who can't read flow charts, everybody complaining about the show is a contrarian piss baby. Is it perfect? of course not, it's being produced by fricking Amazon. but it's a 7/10 at least, they nailed the sound and visual design, the writing feels like Bethesda's Fallout but it isn't terrible, the casting and performances aren't half bad. The NCR did not die, they didn't retcon New Vegas. The Master and New Plague could be polt elements in a later season though it's probably unlikely. Just because they didn't reference your beloved part of the lore doesn't suddenly make the show bad.
goodmorning saar
Your homosexual show couldn’t even get the time of the nukes right. Who has a kids birthday party at 8am in the morning ? Stupid Black person
>piss baby
The only people that use this insult are wokescolds and games journalists
they could've included the nuking of shady sands by just making the nuke ending in new vegas' lonesome road dlc canon. missed opportunity
Don’t you know anon? They’re making everything about NV (in the show) as vague as possible so they can basically have NPC’s write what really happened for them. By the time it’s through all the filters though it’ll just be more goyslop
>basically have NPC’s write what really happened for them
what do you mean?
People speculate endlessly about these twists and upcoming plots, publicly, online, easily disseminated by hack TV writers, or Hollywood AI script bots
so the writers will just let the fans do the writing for them and copy theories that seem most popular and most marketable?
Imagine a little bit of that, but also injecting it with all the social messages and quotas their trying to meet as well. Then meeting the needs of production budgets “can we lose this?” “Can we set this scene in a pre-existing set to save money?” “Big name actor doesn’t want to say these lines”. By the time it’s done it’ll be American TV that’s for sure
good post, it's just sad because fallout has the potential to tell a great, mature story but they blew it
Jet was a prewar drug. Myron invented a poor mans copy of it which doesn’t cause slow motion kino because its made from cow shit instead of high grade non cow shit chemicals. Myron was also a chud, and he died like a b***h.
Myron died like a b***h when I zapped him with the pulse rifle
These are actual Amazon shills lol
>WAAAAAA SHILLSHILLSHILL I CANNOT ADMIT THE ENTIRE SERIES' LORE HAS BEEN DOGSHIT AND YOU NEED TO BE DROPPED ON YOUR HEAD OR NOT KNOW BETTER TO ENJOY FALLOUT
>The Lore has been shot to shit
Tactics, BoS, 3, 4, and 76 are not canon. Hope this helps "Loremaster"
So the show is canon then? Lol
No, forgot to add it.
Get your shit straight moron.
the show is literally a fallout 3, 4 and 76 adaptation. hope this helps!
israelite mad bro?
Why did they choose the west coast? Why not Florida or Texas or anywhere on the east?
They needed to go Hollywood for their major television adaptation.
they're creatively bankrupt
But not financially
Ok why does the bear have two heads on the NCR flag?
Because California has a one-headed bear on its flag and the NCR is New California, so two heads
Nope, both wrong.
Because it was the California flag…but newer
I have never played the Isometric fallouts but I always assumed it was the same reason Rad stags and brahmin have two heads.
That's the big misconception but no it's not that either.
what is it then?
As with two-headed animals historically used in heraldry, it represents imperium, as the NCR is an expansionist nation. Contrasted with old California which was just a state of a union.
so why didn't they just come up with a new flag? it's till very similar to the old flag
idk maybe a bug, i didn't have problem with that quest
Much of the setting is just repurposing remnants of the old world, down to the buildings people live in.
yeah but the flag's still cool, however you interpret it
I agree, it was just to see if the self-proclaimed loremaster had his head up his ass or not, since there is a niche lore reason for it
said loremaster hasn't graced us with any deep lore itt as of yet
probably made the thread and fricked off anyway
homosexual
No I’m just ignoring you lol. I’m attacking arrow gays only right now. I’m eating popcorn too and reading Sex Obsessions by R. Crumb
If so, that's actually really cool and something I suppose I'd never have thought about even though I am a flaggay.
because their major industry is Brahmin herding and Brahmin have two heads, so they combined that with the old Californian flag
It’s the flag of the state of California, but the bear has two heads because it’s a mutated bear.
The well has been poisoned, purists be damned. I wish you all a happy and pleasant game of mental gymnastics cope.
>a happy and pleasant game of mental gymnastics cope.
This is the fun of LARP and kayfabe and melodrama
Dont take fantasy so seriously you cant have comraderie with an expanding if diluted fanbase
securitrons going through your g <- ¿
>capeshit
>manchildren
IMMA CHILD OF GOD
LORD HAMMERCY
i don't get all this debating, fallout has never been a based franchise
Based on what?
Fun
Fun always changes
Do you know anything about 76 lore? Is it all crap? I just filtered out bethesda lore out of y brain, the most recent fallout I played was 4 and I'll probably be the last one ever.
Clearly Bethesda doesn’t even care about their own lore. They don’t understand the long-lasting effects of their story decisions. Does it even matter that DC apparently has an endless supply of pure water? Clearly the east coast Brotherhood is doing well by it (judging from F4). Bethesda clearly endorses the show as canon, the show clearly endorses F4 as canon (style of Nuka-cola bottles, power armor, even the pip-boys are visually F4 the most. Yet the show doesn’t even address Vault Tec’s thoughts on an enemy like the east coast Brotherhood (who have destroyed the institute). It’s all so half-baked
Public reminder lore has always been impure since the bible was made non cannon
Religion was never supposed to be the “lore”
>what is the fallout bible?
did the oceans really boil or was the narrator being dramatic
The showrunners admitted to killing off the NCR so they could have their apocalyptic theme park. In the same article they also heavily imply that New Vegas received the same treatment.
homies on Ganker will argue this 'til they are blue in the face when Haiti and Somalia exist in real life and have never been nuked.
You do realize that in the world of Fallout, America isn't 100% black. No shit Haiti is still a shit hole. Its all Blacks there. White people exist in the world of Fallout, of course their would be civilization in 220 years after the bombs.
I wish these fricking homosexuals stayed away from the west coast lore. Nice work ruining the franchise for ever. Oh you know that faction with millions of people! Let’s nuke it so we can have bipoc women in shanty towns starting up the we wuz ncr again.
Frick off
Zoomer hair lore behind the brocoli
https://youtube.com/shorts/cy8uD5wuLS0?si=hoJsgA3s9t4dUpv5
hoping someone with fallout 2 knowledge hears my plea for help
I'm trying to talk to that homosexual Karl in the Den to trigger his story (without him being a little b***h?) so I can go back to the other town and tell them that Karl is fine
how the frick do I pick the right thing, just asking him his story or giving him 25 bucks doesn't trigger the quest
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Karl_(Den)
followed that, but it didn't work
can't give him a beer until you give him 25 which isn't on the page for some reason
even after that, my only options are pointlessly asking about the geck and the normal asking for his story, which upsets him and does not count for the quest
I just don't get it
Just ask his story, don’t offer to help.
>Enclave in 1 was a splinter faction that Vault-tec lost control of.
>The True Enclave is just them.
>BoS is going to be infiltrated by the (True)Enclave a the highest levels that is sabotarging/ keeping them busy away from the bad guys plans., that allows them to have a season 2 story outing them.
This is how they are going to fix lore shit i would bet.
can i play this in 800x600 borderless windowed on a widescreen monitor without the screen going all small
why do you care about official lore when the people in charge of the franchise are not the people who created the series? its fiction, who cares.
We care. All timelines must be restored to null. Then we can finally get a perfect 3D Fallout 1
All lore inconsistencies were washed away in fallout 76 with the inclusion of “multiple timelines”.
No serious Fallout fan even attempts to bring up 76’s lore. It probably will be babby’s first Fallout until 5 comes out
Considering that every fallout has multiple endings it’s consistent that there’d be multiple timelines. A lazy cop out but it works with that precedence.
But the whole point was eventually one will be canon more or less. From F1-F2, canon was established definitively for F1. Same would’ve happened with 2 if we’d gotten a real F3
It’s not even confirmed vault-tec dropped the nukes first just that they were planning to
who were the shadow glowies watching over the vault-tec talk
....does anyone else think that the blonde chick from vault 31 is actually the inspiration for vault-girl?
could explain how she got to have the vault 31 cryopod benefits
So the enclave is back?
If they were NOT involved in the nukes that would make a comidically evil faction somewhat legitimate
It looked like the base was in mountans? Probably the rockies
The enclave has already lost everything, but they're still making superweapons. That would impmy they have the leadership/recourses to justify it unless that was just a remnent operating without literally anyone else
As far as I can tell vegas dies from a deathclaw infestation
We see a shot with securitrons with scrach marks and deathclaw skull
That would actually be a decent twist tbh
The entire city escaped into the sewers.
You heard it here first folks (unless some redditor is made the prediction)
If house won he would suffer the worst convincible if vegas got overrun by beasts and his "buddies" destroyed the only marketplace he counted everything on
>Calls himself loremaster
>Starts off OP post basically just asking a bunch of questions
>Other people ask questions; the loremaster ignores
Sounds to me like you're trying to leech off of other people's knowledge of the lore, actually. Loremaster is not a title to be donned without care; perhaps come back once you've eqrned it.
>you've eqrned it.
Whatever the frick that means. You talk like a gay bro. Also this shit is entertaining as frick. Lrn2manipulate
>t. Never played any Fallout gayme, because video gaymes are for fricking losers
A loremaster is the ultimate authority on any one particular loreset. It's NOT a title to be taken lightly.
Loremasters carry a social responsibility to others seeking knowledge. Don't fulfill that responsibility, and you are not worthy to be a loremaster.
please tell me why ghouls have hair in modern Bethesda slop?
fallout doesn't have a definitive lore, it's more like a feeling that comes out of your soul.
You're not wrong..........
But I'm still gonna call you a gay though