Fantasy games simply don't feel fantastical anymore
I had hoped BG3 would fix it and while it's good mechanically, the fantasy feel is the exact same unmistakably modern trash as everything else, where you feel like the characters are about to whip out their smartphones at any moment and no one's going to bat an eye
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It's because subverting the genre has ironically become the standard. Characters have no gravitas, everything is an occasion for quip.
explain
You're not going to another time and place, you're going to a costume party for contemporary urbanites ala They're miserable to be around here and even worse there.
This picture sums it up, modern fantasy is just modernity with a costume. It's not medieval fantasy anymore it's more akin to visiting a college town with the mores, comforts and political correctness you would expect from midwits taking mickey mouse degrees with a few STEM chads miserably trying to cope with the oppressive atmosphere.
>STEM nerds lack creativity and ruin everyone else's fun with "realism"
happens too many times
shit isn't even realism, back before the "le GoT bad" era nerds absolutely ate up GRRM's "realistic" approach to fantasy. it is about modernity way more than it is about realism, and the fact that the people who are creating these games/books/whatever are all irony-ridden millennials who've never known what it was like to actually take something seriously.
why, you might ask? well because 90% of the previously nerd spaces are now dominated by the people who made fun of those spaces in high school. the dissonance between their own past and their current hobby ensures that they'd never leave the media the same, because everything has to be a "isn't this so le heckin stoopid xD" riff on itself. it's partially that they realized shit like DnD was actually pretty fricking cool, but mainly that in a desperate attempt to reinvent themselves from the mainstream they flooded niche hobbies- they don't actually care about the hobbies, they just want a little badge to put on their outfit that says "I'm special!"
blame Marvel or some shit idk, though I think it would've happened regardless. you can observe all of this in the push for spaces to be more welcoming and less gatekeep-y, everything has to be for everyone, etc. fantasy wasn't exempt from this, and that is why most fantasy is shitty modernist garbage now.
>they just want a little badge to put on their outfit that says "I'm special!"
This coming from the contrarian name dropping obscure fantasy books? so sad
yeah the difference is that when I read A Game of Thrones back in 2004, I was willingly sacrificing my perceived social value to enjoy a niche hobby. It's like the difference between David Bowie wearing a dress and Harry Styles wearing a dress.
>FFT chad wasting his time trying to explain fantasy to a reddit millenial
You're casting pearls before swine.
STEM chads are the ones running the campaigns, creating actual RP and unironically the reason this genre even exists. Midwit redditors are the type of homosexuals who have to say Bazinga! unironically every time they roll the dice. The people who spend all their time looking at their goyphone, who are obsessed with post ironic millenial cringe humour. Big Bang Theory morons must hang.
Can we not have normal people that would belong in the middle of the spectrum? That are not the boring soulless STEM gays, and also not the socially moronic autistic bazinga types? Maybe that’s the problem? The problem are nerds, whatever form or shape they inhabit.
>STEM
>chads
pick one. These are the buttholes that be telling you it's a waste of time and should get a "real" hobby
I'm sorry you majored in ebonics or w/e but that's the truth, if you people like Gygax are what the Big Bang Theory portrays you're on copium.
The problem is that it's become a market demographic, the other anon earlier using the FFT picture summed it up perfectly. The hobby as be coopted by people that do it add to a checklist about themselves rather than genuine passion for it.
>YOU'RE COPING
daaah you didn't post your gay little basedjack vs chad meme. That must of have been really hard for you
Black person, go be delusional somewhere else or come up with something substantial to say, you aren't going to gaslight anyone in to unironically believeing Gary Gygax or the original creators for the AD+D were social studies majors.
I literally couldn't care less what they majored in
>make good game?
>me like
>make bad game
>me no like
simple as
>The hobby was originally made by people that were actual geeks
>NO THEY'RE ALL buttholeS
>Are you implying Gygax etc are normalBlack folk
>Yeah well I couldn't care lol
???
plenty of stem majors aren't geeks lad.
Kirkbride studied creative writing, painting, and comparative religion but I guess he's not a "geek" because he didn't study calculus for 4 years
Anon no! You're gonna interrupt his self suck session about what major he picked in school!
he's literally the thing he's accusing everyone else of being.
>HEY GUYS DON'T YOU HATE THESE OUTSIDERS MAKING EVERYTHING POLITICAL AND RUINING FANTASY!?
yes anon I really do
No I know that they're not but the point is many people working on the genre today are basically the type of people that are there to score social points or are complete conformists that think everything should be an amorphous grey blob, they don't want to try new ideas, they don't want to put in offensive content, they want everything reduced to a college town atmosphere. WotC is already puritanically cleansing their setting and pathfinder will follow eventually.
>But I had breakfast
well anon I dont know how to tell you this but cooperations will always take the laziest route to make money. So they arent going to take risk and wont hire good writers. They will however hire some ass clown off the street for half pay to write an unoriginal character because money.
>modern fantasy is just modernity with a costume
That's a good way to put it.
the bottom pic looks like the most insufferable band of donutsteel oc
I don't mind the occasional token weird race adventurer like a Tiefling/Dragonborn/Kobold/whatever, but the modern trend of having the entire party made up of a rainbow of supposedly strange and exotic creatures is incredibly grating.
I feel that can work depending on the setting, it's really that these dungeon parties resemble a corporate stock image. Pic related
It doesn't help that pretty much all of these new party lineup drawings are literally the party standing in a line not doing anything, just like the people in those stock photos. Look at a lot of the old paintings and they're almost always capturing a moment of something happening - springing into action against an offscreen opponent, battling a dragon, celebrating slaying a dragon, resting around the campfire, etc. etc. They're never just stood around in a neat line because when the hell does that ever actually happen?
True, hadn't thought about that
Party pictures should be everyone gathered around the campfire.
that's because they're posing for a photo
It could work if they had good writers but they never do.
Fully agree and I feel like a shizogay when I try to explain it. Nothing feels like an escape anymore, it's like writers can't imagine anything that's not a direct homage to the current year.
Recently started wow for the first time and love it.
fricking hell
Well the bottom one isn't the worst thing I've ever seen. I like the harsh shadows. But I prefer something like top as well.
>wizard having the time of his life just shooting lighting into the air
moronic animals bought and played bg3 in droves, proving that it was always about fomo, sex, mind-numbing "fun", not fantasy, depth or good writing. The problem was the players all along
very few fantasy books have good writing. Most only have good storytelling, and maybe settings. But good writing is something fantasy authors are fundamentally bad at. But the same could be said of all writers, regardless of intent.
>very few fantasy books have good writing.
As you stated at the end of your post, very few books in general have "good writing". It's not a genre fiction problem, despite what psuds will try and tell you.
It's not even the artstyle that's the issue, it's like the lack of soul the bugman artist had is bleeding over in the the image itself. He could draw it in the style of Frazetta and it would still feel dead inside.
Animism is real and the dead modern world held up next to even the recent past has convinced me of that.
Anon. I mean this in the most earnest way possible: Go read Dungeon Meshi. It gives you that vibe and the anime will have Yasunori Mitsuda as one of the compossers.
I like dungeon meshi, but it's absolutely nothing like what he's looking for, and the artist is literally a tumblrgay.
I'd like dungeon meshi without the meshi bit. Then it'd just be something like slayers or Lodoss.
Here's your traditional fantasy bro.
What's funny is that bottom is actually a pretty good party by modern gay standards, with its three humans and only one tiefling
>hate the modern trend of parties being made up entirely of exotic races
>normally end up being the Human Male Fighter (or ranger) guy
>actually really want to play as the party's token Kobold/Dragonborn/Gnoll (frick you their 4e lore was good and I liked it)/whatever
I may have problems.
>gruff / skrunko race: good
>recoloured human with horns who has a predisposition to tragic backstories and "waaah humans are racist against me": bad
You have absolutely no problems.
>t. doesn't understand the difference between the player playing a dwarf and the one trying to play a drow
I think you may have misunderstood me. The player choosing a dwarf wants to engage in the rich fantasy of dwarven culture- the stoic and stalwart men who live in, shape, and die by the depths of the earth. The act is in some way altruistic, because they enrich the experience of everyone else in the party.
The one trying to play a drow is either a homosexual trying to relive Drizzit or maybe a sadomasochist (if they're based).
I remember when most of a party played human, usually because it's what beginners feel comfortable making in the first session and you just carried the character.
In a party of 6 there was 4 humans, one elf and one dwarf
The dykes knowingly looking at each other like they know better
I associate this ^^^^ type of late 80s/early 90s 2e-style Larry Elwood / Clyde Caldwell art with the multitude of bad tolkien-knockoff fantasy books and uninspired rpg modules which accompanied the d&d phenomenon.
Late 70s TRS art blows it out of the water. Dave Trampier and Dave Sutherland are both fantastic. Honorable mention to Russ Nicolson and Erol Otis for their weirder stuff
Absolutely brutal.
That sounds amazing.
>classic Dragonlance
Based, Kang's engineers were the best
This is the real reason, of course. Although back in say 2000, I remember that edgelords and sparkledogs were definitely a real thing. They just tended to be a hallmark of a new/immature player, and the older geeks would gently guide them away from OMGLOOKATME tendencies. (I'm innocent though, my first pc was a dwarf)
>classic Dragonlance
Me, I'd rather have Ravenloft. An anon was talking about how BG3 could lead to a Curse Of Strahd adaptation today, and that would be marvelous.
it would be dreadful if done by Larian, completely insincere and making really bad Bela Lugosi Dracula impressions and jokes instead of played straight
what game is the first image?
Top is Dragons Dogma 2
>Fantasy games simply don't feel fantastical
True.
>anymore
False. They never did. What's fantastical about a bunch of middle-aged, blue-collar nobodies cosplaying as historically accurate figures in historically inaccurate drab clothing? Your picture looks lame. Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest shit all over it.
>I had hoped BG3 would fix it
Why? Dungeons & Dragons has always been bland, it's players who make interesting worlds/characters - and Ed Greenwood's not one of them.
Goblin Nott > Jester > Texan Fjord > Sir Hermione > Old Man Wizard > Caduceus > History Teacher Robin Hood > Caleb > Hairy-footed Plumber Rogue > British Fjord > Yasha > Halfling Nott > Beau
What really sets the two pictures apart is that the bottom picture is dripping with sexualism. Every character is eyefricking every other character, they all have that soft porn-sick appearance characteristic of pornographic art.
This really fundamentally and succinctly describes the difference between real fantasy and modern leftist fantasy - the latter just use fantasy as a vehicle for their sexual fetishes - and quite frankly that is beyond obvious if you look at baldurs' gate 3 too.
These people are SEX OBSESSED, from their pronouns to having to assert your sexuality to strangers as a form of greeting, and they deflect, gaslight, and constantly try to project this obsession with sex onto anyone critical of them.
>These people are SEX OBSESSED,
Evolutionary makes sense that people are sex obsessed.
We are reaching levels of both sex deprivation and infertility / non reproductive lifestyles beyond any mark.
You can argue whatever about rational human beings not wanting to be fathers.
But biologically we are wired for reproduction and when we constantly fail at reproduction be it because we are not fricking or because we are fricking using contraceptive methods then the human animal starts to go crazy.
Yeah, it's called liberals are r-selected and conservatives are K-selected
Not him but to be fair the people designing these games are brain washed. They either make the women so hideously ugly that even scienfitically created faces on racial averages look prettier or they take sexualization to such extremes that the 90s era vidya would cringe. It's like everyone behind model design is either a twittertard or a complete political schizo that has a skewed view of reality even by /misc/'s standards.
I'm sex obsessed and I want my game to get my own dick off. Yet, I am a chudcel. Am I secretly a leftist at heart?
I literally do not understand what the frick this post is trying to say here
Fantasy used to have.......le humans and now it has...... le humans ..........but also some non humans????
You're either blind or part of the problem. kys
Holy frick meds
see:
Basically Whedon dialogue or Marvel quips, with no sincerity in sight because everybody is so insecure
I still don't get the aesthetics, I need more examples, of good and bad.
I think it's a consequence of both the usual things talked about (whedon dialogue popularized by marvel, casual getting into the hobby, homos shoving their politics into media) but also an effect of media getting worse because literacy and language and culture are.
DnD used to be based off Tolkien, Howard, Moorwiener, Leiber directly. These were authors that Gygax read and loved
Modern DnD is based of early DnD or that one episode in a cartoon you watched where they're playing dnd and it's stylized like their adventure.
It's a copy of a copy of a copy
>homos shoving their politics into media
What do you call this?
literally nobody is banning white fighter basic b***h class
>What do you call this?
Pozzing
I call schizophrenia mixed with victim complex
Works too
"Feminization" is also a good term
so you going to name 5 games where they banned white men or are you just a piss baby? because it's really starting to look like the latter
What the frick are you talking about you stupid moron? Did you reply to the wrong person, homosexual?
/thread
The modern game is a parody of itself rather than a love letter to actual fantasy.
Your post is true but I also hate it, because I know that the main reaction to this observation will *not* be to go back ad fontes, but to feel vindicated in nihilistic postmodernism, and criticize capitalism or some shit.
Not him but most of us want to go back I would say, the morons who suddenly resort to marxist dialectic are reddit Black folk.
I feel like most people, not just here, would be fine with just a return to form
BG3 was the closest thing we got in years and it's a huge success, certainly more than what we slop Bioware had planned, yet I still think DAO was better, so it didn't come close to the original BG's or something like NWN
No fricking way you are actually comparing to NWN or DAO like that, has to be nostalgia bias. They were not even that good on release.
What crpg is good on release? They all come out bugged and missing huge chunks of content and features. It's just inevitable when you make games this big and long. Pretty much a mark of quality for crpgs, as paradoxical as that may sound.
Are you saying BG3 was better?
this is where the LE SUBVERTING shit comes from because some dipshit will notice similarities between something and start squealing "rip off" so everyone has to be "original" and they just produce incoherent trash because of it.
Unfortunately, the uglies exist in fantasy too now.
I like dragons.
>tfw no dragon gf
ENTER
It's because in a weird way they need to be more grounded.
Modern fantasy games are TOO fantastical. They have become parodies of themselves.
It's impossible to feel immersed in them.
The best fantasy story is Discworld and that's packed with comedy
Discworld is whimsical British trash.
Pretty much this, I was looking at some drone shots of Scotland recently and damn, the bare nature itself felt fantastical and you could tell its enchanting beauty and mystery is what inspired the fantasy stories in the first place. You only need a couple of knights and elves here to make it a fully fantastical-feeling story.
Meanwhile all the modern fantasy media took the surface elements like knights and elves and dragons etc, and started regurgitating them, but forgot about the real aspects that inspired the knights and elves and dragons in the first place, it's incestuous recycling of ideas and a game of telephone where the immersive strain of reality got lost in the meantime.
Playing a game like Kingdom Come: Deliverance at times actually made me feel like I was in a high fantasy world more than any actual modern fantasy games have done, just because of the atmosphere it manages to create. Like walking in the forest at night with a torch I was almost expecting a goblin or some shit to pop up at any moment.
What the frick now?
What's the matter anon, never saw a crane before
Nah it's not that, I thought it was a brand new castle being built.
how fricking dumb are you lmao
thats so endearing, thats something my 4 year old would say
>how fricking dumb are you lmao
Dafuq ya talking about. There are new castles being built right now in France and Poland. There's nothing endearing about it, just a rare modern construction.
>There are new castles being built right now in France and Poland
name one
>name one
Stobnica Castle, Poland.
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamek_w_Stobnicy
Guédelon Castle, France.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%C3%A9delon_Castle
>Stobnica Castle, Poland.
>The castle stands on a made-made island on the Kończak canal. Its 14 floors, including a tower reaching 70 metres, are intended to house 46 apartments for 97 people and 10 staff.
nice castle homosexual, apparently these guys are also going to trial for building this in a nature preserve
>Guédelon Castle, France.
>The castle is the focus of an experimental archaeology project aimed at recreating a 13th-century castle and its environment using period techniques, dress, and materials.
oh wow. yeah i guess its a castle.
>nice castle homosexual, apparently these guys are also going to trial for building this in a nature preserve
It's still a castle until then, dumbass.
sure, here is another castle according to you
THINE QUEST: DEFEND YE OLDE MCDONALDS KEEP FROM SEIGE
Your argument only stems from the idea that it has to be built with traditional techniques. There's nothing outright saying that.
stand ho thee scoundrel! doth not assault our cheese castle!
ive been here, its kind of sick. you can almost hear the gregorian cheese chanting
Greetings from the Kingdom of Wisconsin!
no. you said there are castles being built to this day. when one of them is an apartment complex with a castle skin and the other is a two decade long LARP which is actually as close to a modern day castle as we can get just on a small scale.
>we can get
I mean we can make frickin castles dog
Why would we, not worth the money or effort
thats my point
Again, your arguments only stem on traditional building techniques. A castle is nothing more than a fortified place. At bare minimum it would be a curtain wall with a keep inside of it.
LARPing as a medieval craftsman building a castle must be one of the most fascinating jobs on the planet.
>using period techniques, dress, and materials.
>dress
they have to dress up like medieval people while making it?
Not him but there's similiar reconstructions like this across europe, it's typically teams of historian autists that LARP but do the real thing. You have no idea how deadly creating medieval mortar is, it's a meme.
Mine. I’m taking serf applications, if you’re interested.
This is something I think Tolkien understood which is why nature and environments are such a huge part of his work. Even something so simple as Frodo mentioning how he wanted to walk up into some pine woods he could see from Rivendell, when a big important meeting was going to take place, it tells you a lot about what kind of being and person Frodo is.
It's basically because races can't be stereotyped any more
For example
Orcs or Goblins can't be 'evil' because y'know, it's just us (the player) misunderstanding them
It's 'offensive' because some uppity leftist homosexuals decided 'making Goblins evil is racist' so here we are
>It's 'offensive' because some uppity leftist homosexuals decided 'making Goblins evil is racist' so here we are
This. Leftists are against art just like they are against individual rights and freedoms. Leftists hate self-expression.
Black person you can only play a half-orc because full orcs are too stupid and the gobbos are so concretely the bad guys you don't break oath for killing them on sight. you didn't play the game
because they are not made for you anymore, they are made by losers Millennials and sometimes gen X, those modern "fantasy" are made for morons who think Fantasy its like marvel movies, where everyone talk and act like someone from California, same with the humor.
every city its like New york/London, even if the actual location look like medieval Europe.
>oh no you killed someone, time to make a joke
>sex jokes, get it guys? sex jokes
The Age of Men is over.
The Age of the Queer has come.
The problem is that most writers (and most people actually) nowadays are insecure gays that will bend over backwards to be one of Cool Kids, the best stories have always been written with sincerity overall, and sincerity is forbidden nowadays, in this cynical, irony poisoned world.
>old bad
>new good
D&D had shit like UFOs with laser guns inside of them and a cowboy very early in its life.
If you're looking for "authentic fantasy" or whatever that is, D&D is not where you should be looking. D&D has always been very "pop fantasy" in "if you think something is fun/cool, just throw it in, whatever"
Also a hyper-intelligent Tyrannosaurus Rex in the middle of a hollow world that's also a spellcaster and borderline almost a god.
exactly. these morons were really expecting lotr shit.
BG1 and 2 felt fine
And that's why D&D is shit.
"In the fictional World of Greyhawk campaign setting for the Dungeons & Dragons fantasy role-playing game, Murlynd is a minor deity. He began as a player character created by Gary Gygax's closest childhood friend Don Kaye in 1972 for the second-ever session of the game that would become D&D. Kaye continued to play Murlynd in Gygax's nascent Greyhawk campaign, developing him as a crossover between swords & sorcery D&D and the Wild West.
After Kaye's unexpected death in 1975, Gygax subsequently created a tribute to his friend by highlighting Murlynd as one of the unique characters of the world of Greyhawk. In later editions of D&D, Murlynd was elevated to deityhood, becoming the Oeridian god of Magical Technology.
Having sci-fi elements in fantasy doesn't mean all your characters have to talk like Marvel characters and look like cosplaying millennials. Look at Might and Magic for example
D&D is what you make of it, incredibly stupid post
The "everything is funny" is a big problem.
>where you feel like the characters are about to whip out their smartphones at any moment and no one's going to bat an eye
what kind of moronic, chronically online opinion is this? i can practically guarantee you no one else on Earth thought of this dumb shit except you OP
He's exactly right, you cultureless zoomer fricktard
One of the core principals of fantasy worldbuilding is exoticism, this comes from having diverse places that feel lived in, with their own people and cultures. If we follow the classic fantasy tropes this means: Barbarian northerners, black skinned savages from the Jungles, Romanesque civilized peoples, Arab dessert folk and they all of course reflect our own history and the stereotypes and exotic flare of those varying peoples. Then we layer on top the fantasy races of Orcs, brutal and violent, Elves, poised, elegant and arrogant, Dwarves, swarthy and stubborn, and so on.
But if you boil that all away for the new modern multicultural lie that every single being is exactly the same and all racial differences are just surface level, differing aesthetic features... then you lose ALL the worldbuilding behind those races. No longer can you have the religious zealout Arabs, the savage blacks, the arrogant civilized whites, or the ignorant forest worshipping natives... and all the interesting storytelling those clash of cultures could bring! No, instead you have the same quirky, quipping characters wearing different skins that are entirely meaningless.
This is half of the problem with modern fantasy though... the other half is the cowardice of writers to approach any genre fiction with sincerity and heart. Everything must be subversive, mocking, half-serious, and self aware... this pathetic new writing style is pervading all modern culture since the rise of Marvel movies. Go and read Dragonlance books from the 90s and you'll find they take themselves completely seriously, with dark and dramatic emotional events happening to the characters, all while keeping lightheartedness when needed.
People ITT be like
>haaa, now this is proper fantasy
What game!?!
>2 magic users
This party was doomed from the start.
Yes, I'll take it over everything being a magitech disaster
I'd play that game.
That is EXACTLY the fantasy game I want (except for the rogue, that's a common brigand i'd be slaying in my heroic quest)
>troony makes a meme mocking old school fantasy
>xis parody has way more soul than modern amerislop
I don't understand what you want to say
it is a proper fantasy world
I will now buy your game
>"Wolves hunt in packs."— Pawn
Dragon's Dogma
Play FFXVI
because they are always the same generic medieval Europe grassy fields garbage we see a thousand times over. No jungle settings with ancient ruins, No snow covered terrain with aurora borealis , no vast sprawling deserts with a sense of dread and danger. Just the same cookie cutter green fields and rocks.
Maybe its time to just accept that the genre is overplayed and is suffering from diminishing returns
I think there is something to this. The novelty and joy of fantasy is exploring a strange world that will surprise you and is full of mystery.
But the classic fantasy world has been wholly played out... Which is why games like Planescape Torment or Undertale have been so incredibly popular with people, they feel fresh and make you want to explore the strange fantasy world you've entered... you don't know what to expect! It's sort of what makes Mario games so interesting too, you never know what will be in the next area and every setting is incredibly fantastic and novel.
>Undertale
Lol what, it's the "boring modern world portrayed as fantasy" cliche personified
>lol the king is going through a divorce and is missing his wife
>Mario games so interesting too, you never know what will be in the next area and every setting is incredibly fantastic and novel.
Oh you were just baiting, carry on
Did no one here play Elden Ring?
Wallpaper slop
most people in this thread don't actually want fantasy games. They want mordhau with extra steps and a 2 hour cutscene on the battle of
Grunwald
Yeah. That place, while visually impressive, is in the running for one of the worst levels in the game.
>he got filtered by the snipers
Fighting the dragonkin warrior early without torrent was ludokino
Elden Ring is good but suffers due almost the entire game being populated almost entirely by hostile monsters. The soldiers that attack you (for literally no reason, even if you're dressed like a local) don't even talk, a step back from bloodborne.
Exactly right
>Elden Ring is good but suffers due almost the entire game being populated almost entirely by hostile monsters.
Japanese people are still a subset of Chinamen. Every Japanese game is a kung fu movie, basically. Elden Ring has nothing in common with D&D or Tolkien.
If you want real old school European fantasy games, try
>Baldur's Gate 1&2
>Icewind Dale 1&2
>Diablo 1&2
>the later Ultimas
>Elden Ring has nothing in common with D&D or Tolkien.
This is not the entry point for good fantasy, anon. Or even classic fantasy.
Gatekeeping fantasy makes you an illiterate homosexual.
>Gatekeeping
Hello? You do realize that fantasy in one of the oldest literary genres known to man, right?
>Tolkien is 100% of all fantasy, since there were no good fantasy novels between LOTR and GOT
Lol, lmao.
Tolkien is 100% of all fantasy, since there were no good fantasy novels between LOTR and GOT, which is low fantasy. Conan gets a small nod, I guess. D&D is basically the Infinity Engine games, since there never have been any good D&D vidya or books except for them.
you are moronic
>Conan gets a small nod,
Conan and LOTR are both calling out to two different halves of the same soul that drives people towards "traditional fantasy" to begin with. Conan is the id to LOTR's superego
>If you want real old school European fantasy games
Pipe down, shitposter.
>The setting isn't relevant.
The "generic" fantasy setting with a splash of Mediterranean influence is loved by the fans.
thats a cool picture
Fromsoft only does dark fantasy though
I miss classic high fantasy
Oh baby I'm 200% down for some Merlin/fairy tale/whimsical/forest/witch/druid high fantasy.
The last hope.
Capcom games just aren't good.
I'm so glad they're keeping the speaking style. I just hope we get more quotable lines
it is too bad the VAs sound worse
I'm a connoisseur of camp so I don't mind.
0:56 minutes onwards?
i don't think you're even allowed to have that many white people in one picture anymore unless they're nazis or klansmen or something
>White people
Uh, that's clearly 1 elf, 1 dwarf, 1 halfling, 5 white people, an Irish and a Barbarian (derogative). Perfectly balanced.
It's Dragonlance so it's one elf, one half-elf, one dwarf, one kender, 4 white people and 2 barbarians(white).
>Kender
Oh god I forgot those little homosexuals existed
I always like the halflings but kleptomaniacs with no attention span thing.
raistlin and his moron brother and the rest would be nice
keep those kendar fricks away from games though. nobody liked tasslehoff
I liked tasslehoff
>ZEEEEEEEEEEUUUUUUUUUUP, THAAAAAAAAAT HAAAAAAAAAAAPAAAAAAAAAAAAANNED! *bobs head and walks like a jive turkey*
>audience laughs
literally name one game that does that
that's literally what Seelah does if she fricks up a skill check
Welp, time to reread my Dragonlance collection again.
we both know you're just going to shitpost all day about troonys and Black folk for the umpteenth time.
The fact you want to act like your some deep brooding intellectual is just sad.
I said give me the name the game that does that, not the character. Figures the morons idolizing medieval "fantasy" has the reading level of a serf.
>the game thats posted every single day
How about you just go the frick back where you came from new homosexual
what armor core 6?
>troony enjoys thing
>now everyone has to hate thing because of my autism
I also heard Black folk and troonys like breathing. You going to hate breathing too?
enjoys thing
>>now everyone has to hate thing because of my autism
>
>I also heard Black folk and troonys like breathing. You going to hate breathing too?
how the frick did you get to this from any of my posts?
Well anon what "perceived social value" are you losing here? because the only thing I'm getting from you is that you're underage contrarian.
>DURR THEY DONT MAKE THEM LIKE THEY USE TOOO
except they still do, you would know that if you actually played video games.
anon the whole point of my post is that the enjoyment of fantasy used to come at a price, and thus the enjoyment was inherently more genuine. this is aptly represented in the pop-ification of the GoT TV show, as its creation was contingent on the idea that they remove any hallmarks of the genre almost entirely, to make it more consumable for the mainstream audience. this is an observable phenomena throughout most of the most popular fantasy IPs, whether it be with games, novels, tabletops, etc. I don't play Warhammer, for example, but as far as I'm aware they got hit pretty hard. I don't know what schizophrenic reading you came up with in your mind, but I don't care enough to try and dissect it. have a great day.
george floyd didn't like breathing and troonys literally hang themselves to stop breathing
disingenious homosexual
I haven't read those Weis/Hickman books in 10+ years, do they still hold up?
the first three books really do read like somebody's D&D session full of all the silly and crazy shit that might happen, the second trilogy actually feels like a narrative and still really great
beautiful
Fantasy games used to be developed by people who grew up reading fantasy books like Lord of the Rings and playing tabletop
Fantasy games now are developed by people who grew up playing World of Warcraft and watching Whedon quippathons like Buffy and Marvel.
Doesn't help that their worlds are written in a way that every character is magical and has super special powers, making nothing feel fantastical.
getting rid of moral alignment did terrible damage to character design where every one embodies leftist way of thinking in the nurture over nature argument so new everyone has to be le gray morals vs what the author thinks is personally bad
moral allignement are a guideline. THey have always been. Following them to the letters gives you one dimensionnal characters with no realistic features. No real person has a static morality compass, everyone can have this compass be skewed by events and experiences. Thus if you strive for believable, relatable characters, you must let go of pure good, pure evil and pure neutral characters. Aim for intricate personnages able to surprise you with decision driven by their past and their values.
The reason its that way is all the popular characters where morale grey or evil races turned good like drizzit if you want to blame anyone blame R. A. Salvatore for inadvertently starting the trend. also its always been vs what the author thinks is evil.
Sad but troo. Like what's even the point of setting games in fantasy realms if you're just going to peddle out the same old boring shit. I grew up in the countryside of Scottish Highlands, ive had a lifetimes fill of speaking to inbred bumpkins and walking around sparsely populated villages. Get your shit together fantasy writers.
This is the ideal adventurer party for ALL FANTASY. This also applies to scifi
- Human male protagonist
- Human male sidekick
- Human female sidekick
- One character for each non-human race. Their entire personality must be the most common stereotype of their race and the character serves to represent his entire race in terms of beliefs, habits, culture and so on.
Trying to make non-humans too diverse just makes them similar to humans which removes the mythological feel and exoticism.
>This is the ideal adventurer party for ALL FANTASY.
-Dwarf warrior
(repeat 13 times)
This is why Dragon's Dogma still has a cult following, it has the right balance of medieval struggle and magic/fantasy.
I don't know how the entire WRPG industry isn't deeply ashamed how a half-baked Japanese game nailed almost everything about their genre perfectly. Instead you get the likes of Larian doubling down on embarrassing freakshit.
>I don't know how the entire WRPG industry isn't deeply ashamed how a half-baked Japanese game nailed almost everything about their genre perfectly.
No From game is an RPG, they're just very advanced beat 'em ups. Dark Souls is more Cadillacs & Dinosaurs than it is even Diablo.
We're not talking about a from game
So what is an RPG then?
Dragon's Dogma isn't a CRPG, nor is it anything like a CRPG in terms of story approach and gameplay. It's more like Skyrim but with an actually good combat system and soft multiplayer.
>I don't know how the entire WRPG industry isn't deeply ashamed how a half-baked Japanese game nailed almost everything about their genre perfectly
Because the game is a cult classic that people like because of its ideas and not entirely because of its execution.
Anon never claimed it was a crpg, he said it pulled off a good fantasy setting.
>it's more like skyrim
Lmao
No he said that DD puts to shame WRPGs by doing everything they do almost perfectly, not even specifically the fantasy setting. Said setting being mostly forgettable if we're honest due to it being nothing more but two towns and expansive wilderness, a lot of which is barely used throughout the game
Larian focuses on making CRPGs which are a more niche grognardy subgenre that DD doesn't properly compare to.
>it's more like skyrim
It unironically is
It's popular because of the chargen and various classes + fun gameplay. The setting isn't relevant.
>The setting isn't relevant.
Absolutely false. DD is well praised and loved, warts and all, for being, thus far, one of if not THE best depiction of a traditional western fantasy setting in a 3D game.
Wrong. If the same core game was in any other setting it would be just as well liked.
That's like saying had the gameplay of Mario Bros had been applied to Popeye as Miyamoto originally wanted it would be just as liked. Maybe so, but not for entirely the same reasons. DD is so deeply steeped in the 'AD&D' aesthetic it would simply not garner the same attention if it were sci-fi or something.
>DD but science fiction
This would garner more attention.
true, as proven by
One Piece and Genshin Impact thoroughly proves this wrong.
gacha games owe their success to getting children addicted to gambling, the setting is merely the candy that gets them to step foot into the van
I wasn't talking about money, moron. Those two series have massive audiences and their settings go all over the place, almost always bringing immense amounts of hype the more things change. There are many examples I could have chosen but those two are massive projects with massive audiences and that thoroughly proves your argument wrong.
>I wasn't talking about money, moron
Ah yes money and popularity are in no way related, what a brilliant insight. It seems I was mistaken thinking I could engage with you as an equal, my bad.
>just completely drops any semblance of an argument because he couldn't cry about the success of successful things
sad loser
One Piece is a manga.
Slayers, FMA, Dragon Ball, Naruto, Berserk, HxH, JJK, Black Clover, Lodoss War, MÄR, Escaflowne, Inuyasha,
Skies of Arcadia, Final Fantasy, Chrono, Dragon Quest, Shining Wild Arms, Shin Megami Tensei, Dragon's Dogma, Breath of Fire (even Dragon Quarter), Tales, Mario, Zelda, Klonoa, Granblur
Yeah those are just a tip of the iceberg.
Frick I forgot about Etrian Odyssey.
Seek help.
What? Why?
Self awareness ruined it, was does using itself as a reference (eg: D&D was built upon classic fantasy and mythology, modern D&D is built upon itself).
Good thing that "fantastical" is absolutely worthless as metrics, since they vary so wildly from person to person.
Fantasy as a genre may as well be like a zombie at this point
This is bullshit, BG3 literally opens with lovecraft cthulu monsters and space goblins in hell and it deterred nobody
Total Normalgay Death
Well, his claim is kinda misdirected. Warhammer fans are perfectly okay with firearms, and it's fairly popular. Morrowind is as exotic as it gets, and it's popular.
It's just asian settings being shit, simple as.
The small glimpses of epic fantasy and whimsy were my favorite parts of Elden Ring. I was most disengaged when it felt like Dark Souls.
then
now
I feel like projectile vomiting any time I see Blizzshart armor.
Frick WoW
WoW is the start of the downfall of classic fantasy aesthetics and the start of the purple-dominant, space marine-proportioned cartoony modern fantasy. Even the old devs eventually converted to WoW aesthetics (see Pillars of Eternity 2).
What a shame
>top image has women wearing way more clothing on average and is somehow still sexier
Women aren't allowed to have large breasts anymore, huh?
>a thread about White Aryan Western European fantasy games
>it gets flooded by weebs passing their Chinaman kung fu games with cosmetic knightly armor off as WRPG's
Go die of malaria in a rice paddy, Changs.
"Traditional fantasy" is sperg genre fiction and deserves all the horrible pastiche tacked under its "legacy".
I've posted this before, but the dialogue and books in BG 1/2 have a historical patina about them, like they're from another time.
BG3 just sounds like the way people born in c. 1985 (ie. the writers of the game) talk IRL.
Games for this feel?
Tactics Ogre/FFT/Vagrant Story
Final Fantasy Tactics
There isn't really anything like it. Maybe some obscure 00s isometric crpg.
Might seem like a weird rec but I think it's valid. Underrated fantasy ludokino. PSP game is also really good.
Kingdom Come: Deliverance
King Arthur franchise
Tainted Grail franchise
it's literally forgotten realms, you know what was going to be in it from the get go you moron
I'm glad AI will kill modern artists.
Thanks to AI I can make as many white male chad heroes faster than they can outlaw them
thats just tom cruise in armor
Wyt pipo are pathetic.
I wish more people who like this stuff made AI art.
go back to the Fallout thread, poojeets
this isnt ironic is it
Look here, you!
no its real, wizzard of the coast (dnd) created a magic wheel chair item so that irl cripples could feel included, as if you need to play (YOU) in a ttrpg
anyway that wheelchair item is op as frick and its basically a powerloss if youre not crippled
>wheelchair allows you to move on any terrain without penalty
>wheelchair can fully absorb 3 critical hits without breaking
>wheelchair brings your movement speed up to 40
>wheelchair allows you to use mounted combat
Basically, PC with working legs has NO REASON not to put on full plate armor, sit in a chair, and start jousting enemies indoors with Advantage
That was my biggest issue with it. The chick basically homebrewed power armor that was ridiculously op and inexpensive that characters would be stupid to pass up. And the way it was described is a perfect example of the people that want real life contemporary shit in their games, but with a fantasy coat of paint.
I could forgive it after some rework if she intended to balance out a heavily nerfed character, but there is no indication that. Plus, that crowd shit themselves in anger if someone even thinks about making a disability any kind of disadvantage instead of flavor for how super special their OCs are.
>wizzard of the coast (dnd) created a magic wheel chair item
No they didn't. It was a 3rd party creation, but it was signal boosted by Critical Role and WotC for Virtue Signaling purposes.
oh my god finally. i couldn't really get into dnd unless my pen and paper character was also hobbled
>no its real, wizzard of the coast (dnd) created a magic wheel chair item so that irl cripples could feel included, as if you need to play (YOU) in a ttrpg
>anyway that wheelchair item is op as frick and its basically a powerloss if youre not crippled
Warhammer Fantasy Battles had a fantasy wheelchair (exoskeleton, but w/e) for a playable character as early as the mid 90s. And now he's in vidya!
>Warhammer Fantasy Battles had a fantasy wheelchair (exoskeleton, but w/e)
So not a wheelchair at all?
not a wheelchair
not a cripple(petrifaction)
not made for inclusion
The concept in of itself isn't a problem, the issue is one is a cool concept the other is phoned in for diversity. If you ask some neckbeard to make a combat wheelchair its probably going to be a spider tank or something Lord Kroak sits on.
Lord Kroak himself is beyond crippled, homie is straight dead but keeps telling Death to frick off and suck dick.
He's a warcrime in 99% of fantasy settings and would slap ass in 40k
Why do disabled people stance their chairs now? Is there a legit reason?
less strain on the body
>I had hoped BG3 would fix it
You have brain worms if you thought any modern fantasy, especially one made by a studio whose games have major joss wheadon syndrome.
Divine Divinity and Beyond Divinity were dark ARPG masterpieces that even had RTwP combat. Granted, even they were a bit jokier than the contemporary standard, but they still had that sense of gritty, dark realism stemming from Ultima and Diablo.
t. never played larian game and just repeating shit he's seen other people say like npc
Medieval fantasy has been done and overdone, yet it's core mystical fantasy remains unrealized in video games. Like something preventing you from orgasming.
*unrealized and unfulfilling
Maybe the TW1 and Gothic 2 are the closest things. By TW2 and 3 the spirit was already completely gone.
I don't think a setting can ever truly be overdone. A cliche story archetype can, but not a setting. Think of how many stories are set in just plain reality. But I've never heard someone say "real life as a setting is done and overdone".
>I don't think a setting can ever truly be overdone.
Then why am I so incredibly tired of modern city slop like Yakuza, Persona, your average chinkoid gacha kusoge etc?
Those are fine games, I also mentioned the ones in
and there's Dark Souls 1 of course.
>Then why am I
Idk homie I'm not you
Bait
No he’s right. Chinese fantasy is built different. They mix qigong kung fu, mecha, demons, interdimensional warfare, and MMO isekai and they love
>Then why am I so incredibly tired of modern city slop like Yakuza, Persona, your average chinkoid gacha kusoge etc?
So you can't fathom a game set in a modern city that you'd enjoy?
Contemporary? No, cyperpunk there's a few.
>Medieval fantasy has been done and overdone, yet it's core mystical fantasy remains unrealized in video games.
please refer to
and
. Can you name a more perfectly medieval game than Diablo 1 and Baldur's Gate 1? Those game were ominous and oppressive, the atmosphere was perfect right down to the music.
Diablo 1 is dark fantasy constrained to a single village and was more Doom than your traditional lotr fantasy. BG1 has you prancing around forests and killing wolves and hobgoblins with your mute, cardboard cutout companions and barely had any story. Music is bg1 was shit too. Maybe one or two memorable tracks throughout the whole game
Reminder that this Frank Frazetta drew a bunch of blacked porn
what the frick
>make "traditional" fantasy story
>why is this so boring and generic?
People are asking for traditional settings not stories.
And then they would complain that it's too simple and generic. It's the case of
>you think you do but you don't
I wouldn't. I still read old fantasy stuff in more traditional settings.
...also, Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain, which is not a true RPG, but which does medieval atmosphere perfectly. And Dink Smallwood
>we wuz Eurdites n sheet
I always thought it was funny that EQ made the Blacks the hyperintelligent race
Drakensang for fairytale fantasy.
interesting series
Chains of Satinav is in the same world and a neat point and click adventure.
For me, it's Betrayal at Krondor
A man of culture
the NPC's in bg3 are mostly ok
but the companions I just imagine are just other real life RPgays you are playing with
Play Genshin Impact or Honkai series if you want a true fantasy.
Their sciences are just too fricking dumb due it made up from made up materials that are made from made up reactions it actually horseshoes back into fantasy.
>Play Genshin Impact
Ah yes...that classic Western fantasy look. I'm sure that's what Tolkien, Dunsany and Howard had in mind back in the day.
Frankly, I much rather deal with that than every character speaking like this pretentious homosexual
>Play a Forgotten Realms game
>Get mad that it feels like Forgotten Realms
It's like the people complaining that the new Armored Core game feels like an Armored Core game
>Fantasy games simply don't feel fantastical anymore
I think it's because they all just try to be "video games" where you get the gear, the companions, the skills and go on to kill the big bad evil guy. The formula is always the same.
There's no chivalresque spirit, no feeling of a great and dangerous struggle for a great cause, no exploration of unfamiliar hostile terrain without constant quip and opening chests to get gold coins. As I write this, Dark Souls keeps coming into my mind... so yes the Japs in their own way really did it better than the westerners.
>where you feel like the characters are about to whip out their smartphones at any moment and no one's going to bat an eye
Women and gay writers
Just go play NWN2 if you want a fantasy ass fantasy game. God damn that game is so fantasy in the most over the top ways it hurts. Its beautiful.
But the 3D models look so shit
>Just go play NWN2 if you want a fantasy ass fantasy game. God damn that game is so fantasy in the most over the top ways it hurts. Its beautiful.
The engine really kills that game. It's just plain ugly.
>bg3
It's the dialogue.
>frick frick frick
>fricking
>cuck
It feels like the fantasy elements are just set dressing. The characters speak like 2023 Californians.
Try watching a season 1 episode of Game of Thrones and one of the late season episodes right after it, the way the characters speak changes so jarringly from believable and immersive medieval jargon to basically SNL shit, it demolishes the suspension of disbelief
Since it seems there's more level headed Anons here, what does everyone think about the Dark Alliance games (compared to the traditional CRPG BG games)?
Everyone mentions the Dark Alliance series, but this mother fricker right here was better than any of them. And it never gets talked about it mentioned anymore.
I loved that game too, I find it funny that I derived more enjoyment out of the Dark Alliance games and stuff like Gauntlet and that game than I ever did from BG2/3.
And now that you mention it, how could I forget Enclave.
>characters have less skills
>mindless randomized dungeons
>diablo style loot focused character building
Bards tale >> DA2 > DA1 >>>CoN2 >>>>>>>>>>> CoN1
>mindless randomized dungeons
you didn't play the game. frick off
I'm also a big fan of champions return to arms and dnd heroes for xbox.
DA1 is a great hack and slash game, especially in couch coop. Looked stunning when it came out. Good music and VA too.
DA2 is not as good, it's visibly uglier but is a lot longer and filled with content. The content itself is not as good as DA1 though.
CoN is missing the personality DA1 had. It almost immediately feels repetitive and aimless.
Even though it was made by Snowblind and looks good, it just lacks the soul DA1 had.
Snowblind engine games are the best diabloclones because the loot autism is turned way the frick down.
DA1 felt repetitive. Really enjoyed the level diversity in DA2. Gamebreaking bugs fricked me over a few times but I I liked the game so would restart if need be.
Rip real fantasy
Severian is such a moron, no idea why all the book covers make him look cool as frick
Hey, 3 wasn't bad. I feel like it was mostly the music that made it, though.
As I said ^ Witcher 3 was pretty good, particularly the DLC, which fixed most of the build issues and gave us some of the best stories in the series. The FFXII and Tactics Ogre re-releases are fantastic, but they are just re-releases. That's honestly pretty much it off of the top of my head, I guess DD2 is probably coming out soon.
t.soul
Technology was just getting powerful enough to capture this aesthetic right as blizzshit took over. I think Everquest 2 might be the last game to attempt it
Modern fantasy games don't feel serious. See the narrator in Larian's games.
Are there any modern fantasy games that feel serious?
What's your definition for modern?
Last 10 years or so. Recent would have been a better word.
The narrator is clearly meant to emulate the presence of a DM, tard.
Still peak
I sometimes wish I had the budget to make a game that addresses these issues we talk about to see if it can even be done or are we only barking into the night
Reminder that anyone anywhere can pitch a TV show, movie, or game to a production company. Whether you'll get it picked up or have your way with the direction of it is another matter, but if you have the skills there's multiple avenues to getting "there".
The production company would just interfere and not allow you to make it the way you want because of market analysis
Again, there's a ton of people out there who get to make their passion project, you just have to be convincing enough that they let you do it. They let Peter Jackson helm LotR with minimal experience, and it only ended up as it did because he was willing to tell Weinstein to frick off.
a skeleton walks into a bar and ask for a beer and a mop
>are we only barking into the night
That's what this website does
I think it's because it's a lost generation window type of deal
When I was getting into college media was still good (generally) I never felt like everything on tv or games were mostly garbage so I never really felt that
>Man I should make some videogames/movies/books
Feeling
2016 was wild, it was like the shit people joked about in the corners of the internet became mainstream politics
>When I was getting into college media was still good
Everyone thinks media from when they were younger was better
You have the benefit of hindsight in mainly remembering the good shit instead of being there when bad shit came out
>Everyone thinks media from when they were younger was better
People say that, but it doesn't make any sense with reality and sounds like a cope.
It was better before 2016.
Same way games from 2008 to 2012 were better than 2001 to 2004 or so
And I was still young ( and I'm not really that old even now) and it's beem sucking for since that year
There are plenty of boomers that have been gaming since the 80s that think vidya games died some point in the early 2000s. The hobby has definitely degraded over time and gotten worse, it doesn't mean good games don't come out but the majority of games that do come out are dreadful.
Then fricking do it. stop being a fricking piss baby
who said I'm not? unfortunately, I only know rudimentary C++, and am much more of a writer than a game programmer. and TV/movies are much more into adaptation than anything else nowadays.
you don't need main stream attention remember? Those are the people ruining everything after all.
...when did I ever say anything about that
please anon show us what a "proper" fantasy game should be. I'm very eager to see it.
nta but Final Fantasy Tactics, really any of the Ivalice games tbhq but it has already been brought up a few times in the thread
cool you want to make final fantasy without the fantasy...You should go do that
what
>le FFT isn't fantasy xdddd
>le FFT isn't fantasy xdddd
didn't say that I said you should go make that gay ass game you keep talking about.
sorry I'm a autist who thinks he's some deep intellectual thinker like nietzsche because I piss and moan about games I don't like
you literally said "so you want to make Final Fantasy without the fantasy" you dumb blithering slug, on top of the fact I'm not even the poster that was talking about making a game, but kudos to him because he seems to have absolutely blown you the frick out considering you keep waving around in the dark trying to insult him
>comparing final fantasy to
are you a nip? It's fine if you are I just think you're an inbreed autist that should learn his place.
nah people actually value what I habe to say and do.
Never said I was going to build one.
>nah people actually value what I habe to say and do.
>still responding
so sad, but I'm glad I give you're sad life meaning.
>but I'm glad I give you're sad life meaning
And he's an esl to boot
>you have to take me seriously!
nah I really don't
What? Are you high, Pedro? What are you even talking about?
dah he started using proper grammar now. glad you learned something.
>ESL whines about other people's grammar after being called out
Now back to makings tortillas, Joaquin
You forgot the period anon.
>Noooooo! I'm not an ESL! You are!
Lmao. Keep trying, Jose
>Never said I was going to build one.
Neither did I say I'd make a video game if it wasn't for the money, yet your sperging hasn't ended
yeah sure you just jump into random arguments that have nothing to do with because...REASONS!
keep crying piss baby
>jump into random arguments
>still hasn't read my response
Seriously, learn to read
Illiteracy at your age is embarrassing
see
>zero counter arguments still
hows it feel you wasted your life chasing clout from people that hate you?
Still illiterate, I see
we done here Shlomo? I have a entire countrys to subvert and conquer with my Black person troony agenda
>we done here Shlomo?
I dunno, did you learn to read?
depends did you grow pair of balls yet? Mine are getting sore from smacking you in the face all day.
>depends did you grow pair of balls yet?
Yeah, a long time ago they were slapping on your mother's c**t just yesterday.
>Mine are getting sore from smacking you in the face all day.
They must be microscopic then, cause I neither felt nor saw anything
really? then why is the only thing I'm hearing is a littler girl screaming?
bad little girls need proper correction if they want to be well adjusted women.
heh, you're alright anon.
>then why is the only thing I'm hearing is a littler girl screaming?
I dunno, she's got a really soft voice. I know you haven't heard her moan with your father, but you could guess.
>bad little girls need proper correction if they want to be well adjusted women.
Yeah, that's what I said to her. Stop spying on your mom, anon. It's very creepy
>heh, you're alright anon.
You too.
I'll still report you to ICE, though
>sorry I'm a autist who thinks he's some deep intellectual thinker like nietzsche because I piss and moan about games I don't like
Cool. Maybe you should have a nice day then
>Unsheathe me not without reason
>Wield me not without valor
Cool
He's just seething because his idea of fantasy is modernity in a constume like another Anon said, these people are nothing if fragile.
Why don't you make your own image board and post there?
>sneed homosexual thinks he owns Ganker
don't you gaygost have shardy?
>DURR THEN NO ONE WOULD PAY ATTENTION TO ME!
oh right, is this why you're so fixed on troonys?
Because you're a effeminate little b***h with no balls?
>durr urrr why don't you make your games
>nooooooo! i wont make my own image board
Kek
>has his own image board
>no one uses it
so sad
>so sad
I'm sure it is that's why you come here instead of staying there
>no u
don't you have a game you should be working on?
Don't you have an image board to create?
>piss baby wants his hugbox
feel free to ban me. Not like you offer stimulating conversation any ways.
>still seething incoherently
>no imageboard created yet
Damn, what a sad homosexual you are
>still responding
>hasn't refuted a single argument
so whens the suicide? are you going to film for me?
>argument was "build your own image board"
>still seething, no imageboard built
Damn
>cant refute anything
So sad
>have you built your image board yet
>no
Sounds like reality has refuted you already
see
feel free to add as many white fighters class as you want. Everyone is going to call it piss poor eurojank and laugh. I always need another yanderedev to laugh at.
>see
I see zero imageboards
I guess you decide to just seethe some more
*decided
and I see zero video games made, Whats your point?
I never once said I was going to make an image board. Your punk ass said: "oh I totes make a video game but I don't have the money!"
mean while I posted a pic of
where they made a video game with no money. So what's your excuse other than you're insecure and want everyone on Ganker to dick ride you for nothing?
>I never once said I was going to make an image board
And I never said I was gonna make a videogame, I said I "sometimes wish" I had the money to make a videogame with all the features constantly talked about itt to see if it would actually work in practice, it was a hypothesis speculation if it even could succeed, not a promise or even a serious call to effort.
Yet you started sperging out and pissing and crying.
I'm gonna ask you again, where's your imageboard?
>that wasn't me! you're arguing with a different autis now!
>replies 411
>127 posters
sure famalam
>>that wasn't me!
Kek, I never said that.
Holy shit, you actually can't read.
No wonder you still haven't built an imageboard
One step at a a time anon!! We're going to make it!!
Been toying with the idea of a game like Necropolis but more high fantasy Dungeon Meshi with some Dark Souls/Berserk darker elements. This game had tons of potential but was immediately abandoned upon release by the dev instead of fleshing it out more.
My idea was gonna be a fantasy setting except its all anthro ala Redwall.
Already done heh
Check out Small Saga.
death to all necromancers
>addresses these issues we talk about
Other than inane blathering about new fantasy being "soulless" there aren't really any actual issues to be addressed here. There's classic fantastical art being posted, but nothing even resembling a video game. There's no goals here, no desires here, just a series of feelings that are uselessly being expressed.
If the argument was, say, "I wish more Fantasy games had attributes and features that aren't exclusively just general gameplay loop content", you could have an actual issue being addressed. Pic related might be fun if a character in the setting had some particular incentive or desire to indulge in cosmetics and the like, bringing more richness to the setting as there would now need to be involvement in the setting to find someone who makes dyes, powders, gloss, and all of those things for female appearances. You could make a whole discussion about how ultimately hollow a large amount of contemporary fantasy feels primarily due to the fact that nothing exists outside of the narrative objective window and things tangentially related to the narrative objective window. But this thread is not that, it's just "Modern art bad" crashing against "Freakshit lmao" and little else. That's why none of these threads actually make a difference, because there isn't a difference to be made.
>but nothing even resembling a video game.
The frick are you talking about? Did you even bother reading the thread?
>even resembling a video game. There's no goals here, no desires here, just a series of feelings that are uselessly being expressed.
Are you illiterate? People brought up Elden Ring and how it has the aesthetics of dark fantasy down but thst merely that isn't enough, and of it had classical CRPG gameplay and design would've been amazing
In the ducking OP, it says mechanically BG3 is great
Learn to read
>People have brought up multiple different games with FFT being the most prominent
>They've assessed that modern fantasy is a parody of itself and modernity with a costume
>Complete hatred for le heckin' marvel humour, millenial writing and all the woes of modern fantasy
>Most of this genuine, unironic, sincere critique
>one of the few threads with actual dicussion on fricking Ganker in ages
At least read what you're criticizing before you decide to dismiss you disgenuous israelite, what are you LARPing as Jason Schrier?
This is what you get when you spam games like BG3, ironically or not, in a desperate attempt to “win” or “mind break” Ganker. You move the California marvel tier writing Overton window a bit more. The next game will be worse, and the game after that, and so on, and so forth. You made the bed, sleep in it.
I saw this pic the other day and I had a hard time believing this is the same setting where I was once defending Redcliffe from the undead and saving its arl from an abomination
Bioware is finally dying at least
wht the frick is this art
whats going on
unironically Nomura
Dragon Age has slowly abandoned the medieval look for a more modern one like all crap fantasy
So no one wears armor or mail anymore, just jackets and belts
The intent behind these designs is to make it as easy as possible to replicate in other media. Toys, crossover media, cosplay, all of those things benefit from making your cast as flat as imaginably possible and as simply designed as possible so you can sell them in alternative ways as easily as possible. Complexity in this area provides barriers for the Chinese laborers who make all of your good.
Modern fantasy lacks romanticism.
Taking up the fight against Whedonism is hard but someone has to do it.
everyone these days wants a fricking friend and romance simulator. they want to be part of some epic story rather than explore a world
>something gets goods
>normies and troons barge in
Enjoy the good times while it lasted they are over. We just have to wait for the normies to leave and the cycle to start again.
>We just have to wait for the normies to leave
not sure that's happening in our lifetime
Genuinely wondering, how would Elden Ring not scratch that itch? If you want to look like a classical knight or wizard in heavy armor/a wide-brimmed hat and wander the Welsh countryside with a swift horsie fighting dragons, that game is pretty much it.
Thr world is fricked and full of insane monsters, not a single non-hostile location to even find besides Jarburg and they all dir
It is that but you are confined to play in the way the game wants you to play. You can wander the world for a while and roleplay it your way but every enemy will still be aggressive towards you, the NPCs will always react and say the same thing, the events will always unfold in the same way.
So would an Elden Ring style game but with actual towns and NPCs to interact with rather than just a handful of quest-givers scattered around the world be what you guys are looking for?
I would personally love that, yes. I’ve been replaying it with a friend in seamless coop, and we’ve been talking a lot about how the typical From trappings are the worst part of the game. They showed they could do something very cool if they just pushed it a little more.
I think they have it in them. They’ve done some experimenting in Bloodborne, Sekiro, and Elden Ring that makes me believe they could nail it if they made one game in this general style that had more conventional RPG structure.
If ER was a more traditional RPG instead of a Dark Souls game with a different coat of paint, I think it could've genuinely been one of the greatest games of ALL TIME. Genuinely. Imagine adding actual life into that world and having real co-op where 2-3 people actually need to work together to progress and their skills interact in that trifecta sort of way of tank-dps-healer.
I'm getting a nerd boner just thinking about it.
frick off to your shitty mmos dork
>not a wheelchair
Have you noticed that Baldur's Gate 3 has no real settlements until the last third of the game? Just low-effort refugee camps and other collections of tents pitched among ruins. Larian, like Owlcat, shy away from creating believable settlements in their RPG's for whatever reason, which is a huge departure from RPG/fantasy canon. Every building is BG3 is ugly ruins, scorched, looted, caved in, or a haphazard lean-to. The game has a pervasive and deliberate ugliness to it completely unlike the first two titles and I have no idea why.
Elden Ring and all From games really don't know restraint, every sword is a special legendary mythological sword used by a special knight, every soldier has an entry in the lore, every field is a field where an important battle has been fought, every castle is a fallen magic castle, they indulge like crazy and it doesn't feel immersive, it feels like a game. ER especially felt like a whole game set in the Fade to me with how nightmare-like everything is.
Their worlds simply don't feel like worlds in which anyone ever actually lived, and their environments feel like intentionally made set pieces instead of random patches of land you happen to be adventuring through, they're so dense with unique magical ideas that they would need a 100x larger mundane worlds to house them all.
Pardon my ignorance but what's the Fade?
The metaphysical realm in the Dragon Age setting, think the ether, paradise, hell, dream/nightmare realm all in one, where everything is always fricked and corrupted
The Fade was fricking eerie.
The equidistant Black City, always floating, distant but there was interesting and creepy as frick
Inquisition being the soulless game made by morons didn't understood that the subtlety was essential, made it hard to see because they put a giant stupid vortex next to it
I'd argue that this fits in Fromsoft worlds though because it's all post-apocalyptic. All the cool shit has already happened, you're a disgraced loser that has somehow become undead/ a hunter/tarnished and it's up to you to unfrick things as best you can.
moron
That's a right assessment.
Japanese fantasy is not "Tolkien fantasy" but more like "Alice in the wonderland" fantasy.
You will not ask for the Queens of hearts tax policy.
Worlds of high fantasy are in something like the uncanny valley. They look more like a dream than an actual real livable place.
Play DCC
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A human fighter
An elven druid
A lizardman shaman
A dwarfen paladin
Simple as.
>A dwarfen paladin
The dwarf has got to be a fighter or cleric tank and be named sth like 'Captain Stoneshield'. The human has to be the paladin, but he can also be a ranger.
Close enough
*I actually have an idea why, come to think of it: there's a clear Dark Souls influence to BG3, as seen in the Grymforge golem boss cinematic. DS worked beautifully for atmosphere but a company so inept at visual design as Larian did poorly to try and copy the overall degradation found in those games and apply to their own fantasy game.
omg, I am heckin pulling out my smartphone
I liked Astarion, but he's a VtM toreador, not a medieval fantasy character
There's definitely something unauthentic about it which might sound funny talking about fantasy but instead of getting the feeling that you're peering into another world it just feels like modern men/women playing pretend.
>touted as a return to classic fantasy
>does literally nothing with the setting whatsoever, world just feels bland and empty
probably the most recent massive disappointment, on to the next one
King of Dragon Pass was the last true fantasy game
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Blizzard ruined fantasy aesthetics and California's cultural dominance ruined fantasy writing.
Ah, Dawnstar. Home.
It's shocking how good IWD2 is despite it being a no frills almost 100% combat focused game.
The essence of this thread is just "BAAAAAAW NOT ENOUGH WHYTE PEEPO"
even if BG3 didn't have nogs it would still be ugly as sin, so no
Glad you understand
i mean if u go from playing zombie panic, co-op horror, free on steam to playing baldur gate 3 it feels fantasy
Gee, I wonder why. Maybe because every character feels like it's written by a terminally online Redditor/Twitter troony.
What setting do you think Wizards of the Cuck will let Larian destroy next? Dragonlance, where you can beat the shit out of that heckin incel Raistlin? Or maybe Dark Sun where you turn all of Athas into a Marxist utopia and not so frickity frickballs problematic much anymore?
>Larian destroy next?
Larian didn't destroy anything, Wizards did it all by themselves with 4e and 5e
I mean, I get writing complaints, but there's some environments in BG3 that give me that classic feeling, especially with the camera mod
Apologize.
>Apologize.
every single fantasy nowadays wants to be D&D 5e with a diverse cast full of anthro races and an anything goes fantasy setting
This is the ideal adventurer party for ALL FANTASY. This also applies to scifi
- Human male protagonist
- Furry female sidekick
- Furry female sidekick
- One female character for each non-human race. Their entire personality must be the most common stereotype of their race and the character serves to represent his entire race in terms of beliefs, habits, culture and so on.
Trying to make non-humans too diverse just makes them similar to humans which removes the mythological sex and sex.
I feel like this is a tainted perception born from the usual Ganker cynicism that gets circlejerked ad infinitum. It's just a positive feedback loop of miserable homosexuals perpetuating more misery.
>I feel like
Oh, case closed then.
I really should have said 'I know' because that's what it is.
I think fantasy should not have women in it, except in harems.
Someday I want to see another mostly grounded low level adventure like Baldur's Gate 1. Where a big chunk of the game is about solving an iron crisis and stopping bandits while trying to avenge your father. Loved BG3, but every character had an epic backstory and gods were heavily involved throughout.
Larian can't write a story that isn't ultra super epic
Actually, none of these crpg game companies can. Not owlcat, not larian, not bioware, not bethesda; at every single turn you have some ultimate destiny gods and devils and superheroes bullshit running through every story where you're the plucky underdogs saving the day from the ultra evil that is going to destroy the WHOLE entire universe!!!
It's simply amazing how creatively bankrupt leftists are
LOTR was written 70 years ago and these people are STILL rehashing it
>Not owlcat
Most of Kingmaker was pretty low level. It's only towards the end that things kind of spiralled.
>t's simply amazing how creatively bankrupt leftists are
Like 99% of artists past and present were leftists.
Conservatives are actually the majority of artists, we just live in a time period where the state and media apparatus actively censors any conservative art and all counter culture anti-establishment artists.
Hollywood for example, is expressly controlled to exclude non-israeli and conservative actors.
We're all aware of it and we all know it, leftists just live in permanent denial that there's no meritocracy taking place and leftist works of 'art' get where they are on the backs of an extensive network of nepotism, racism, and privilege.
Let's also not forget that the entire K12 to College pipeline actively inhibits any sort of conservative viewpoints and strongly encourages and indoctrinates people into the liberal pipeline.
If you dare to speak a conservative viewpoint in college it can quite literally risk your grades and graduation, let alone future employment once you're trying to get into the workforce.
You have no choice except to pretend to be leftist just to make a living making art, because you'll be canceled if you don't.
>Conservatives are actually the majority of artists
What makes you say that?
Modern leftism is an aberration from the norm of human history and the most radical leftist 100 years ago would be called an extreme far right hitlerist today.
So according to you pretty much everybody who lived before today was a conservative far right person, meaning by definition most artists were conservative?
>Like 99% of artists past and present were leftists
Not really. Specially when "leftism" only really came to be a thing in the late 1800s and modern leftism is very far from it
your right-wing haven countries are a bunch of brown people typing phrases into a bot and calling it art
I hate how you can't move without bumping into a half-dragon furkin troonlock OC donut steel, fantasy should be split into 2 genres: pre-millennial, and post-scifi channel schlock.
The "problem" with a lot of modern fantasy is that a lot of it is very main character focused. The hero not only has to right wrongs, but also be loved for it. If every person who ignores or acts cold towards the PC is either unimportant or an enemy, it kinda feels a lot less of a world. Books have it easy where you can jump between perspectives easily, but it's hard for vidya to be that way unless it's super linear or super unforgiving.
BG3 is a lot of fun, but you're right. It barely feels like a fantasy world. I think part of the problem is the power scale is so high. The game opens up with red dragons and mind flayers. Your level 2 party is made up of wizards that consort with gods, warriors that massacred demons in hell, sparkle-vampires, intergalatic spacefrog. It just doesn't mean anything at that point.
It's more like a super hero comic than a fantasy book. Are these the avengers or an rpg party?
>oh yeah, you betrayed a god, and you have a dragon hand, and you have a sword you stole from Geoege Washington *yawns*
It just means nothing when it's bombarded at you constantly from level 1.
>pic
Makes me want to have a cute dragon husbando