A reminder that fantasy races have no "canon lore" and can be whatever the writer or hell even players at times think about what they are and there is no "muh tradition" just what is and isn't a popular choice...
Like how not every orc is a Tolkien orc or a WOW orc...
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>get mad at this milquetoast lukewarm take
scream at your monitor
Alright.
No, not alright, don't let him tell you what to do, you pussy!
That's why I always give my players full freedom in their choice of race and their depiction and make sure that whenever someone stretches these fickle boundaries with their choices that race will always be a faschistic empire full of racial supremacists to underline that one players originality.
>u can make all elves androgenous fembois or release blue milk guise!
How new and are you enjoying the summer, frend?
okay but health potions are still always red
i've seen green ones before lol
It's transparent blue if we count bacta from Star Wars.
That’s cum anon…
>Like how not every orc is a Tolkien orc or a WOW orc...
yeah some are Warhammer Orcs completely different
reminder that just because your races are different than their classic counterparts doesn’t mean they are not 100% shit, and in fact increases the probability of them being intolerable garbage
the standard is standard for a reason and you are, and never will be, a good writer
this, when writers go by the stablished they can focus on points that the story more engaging instead of just "SEE? MINE IS DIFFERENT!!1!" exposition
What counts as classic/traditional?
Take elves for example. D&D elves are different from Tolkien elves, which are different from Shakespeare elves, which are different than Christmas elves, which again are different than Norse mythology elves.
Is Tolkien breaking tradition of classic Christmas elves by making them tall, gracious, beautiful immortals?
Are you two breaking tradition just by using D&D-style elves instead of the Shakespeare ones?
that’s because anglos just try to cram every new concept they encounter under familiar labels
those things are not all “elves” in my language and I have no intention to argue semantics
Good point. Now, which one is the classic traditional elf in your language?
in the context of ttrpgs, the long lived one with pointy ears living innawoods that’s skilled with bows
Norse and tolkien elves
>there is no tradition
Yeah frick you buddy
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I don't care about your opinions but I like the hobgoblin chick
Quihnn needs to
>Work on his art
I really like flat-nosed goblinoids way more than I ever thought I would
It’s a nice definable style that doesn’t look stupid like the no nasal cartilage look WotC used in 3&4e.
>Guy makes a edgy ad frick Drow who’s a Dritz clone
>He doesn’t ask my lore beforehand so he doesn’t know Drow here are Australians who the other elves hate because they eat m*at, get drunk, and party with dwarves
>Also all descendants from elf prisoners that were banished to the underdark, but ended up conquering the place
They’re still matriarchal admittedly but less leather bound dominatrix and more step on me muscle mommy. Even Lolth is a goddess of poisonous insects and wildlife instead of a web obsessed schemer. also the reason corelon hates her in this setting is because she called him a perverted femboy, and she left the elf pantheon after he wouldn’t let elves break their vegan diet during a famine
I don't have anything interesting or valuable to add but I just wanted you to know that I think that's pretty cool, anon
>He doesn’t ask my lore beforehand
It's kinda more on the DM to point out drastically differing lore right at the start. A player can't really guess that you'd flavor drow as misunderstood dorfbros that were actually totally in the right for not sticking with the sissy homosexual trad-elves. Players can only really assume things are like what's in the books.
>party is sent off on a wild, dangerous, and incredibly stupid adventure by a Drow named Bazza
Also, how's the footy down in the Underdark?
>my drow are aussie shitposters
fukkin based
i trust you gave lolth the spider parts of a sydney funnel web
Yes. They look pretty cool
Thanks
Pretty good. I didn’t make the underdark and Australia one to one but I try to take the interesting stuff where I can.
That’s fair. I do tend to take my settings in weird directions and this guy doesn’t know about as much as some of my more regular players do. I’ll have a chat with him.
Oops the second you to this was meant for
. Ah well. Probably should stop multi replaying.
Your take to drow is actually really cool and I may one day copy it in one of my campaign.
Why do people do this?
They come up with a somewhat interesting concept, but end up backpedaling into tripe anyways?
Why Drow? Why Lolth? Why Correlon? Those are literally forgotten realm characters, so why the frick are you using them if you're just going to make them different? This is somehow even worse than "my elves are differen".
Just fricking why?
There’s a point where you’re elves are different enough from their stock characterization that it raises the question of why they’re called elves
Exactly, unless you're trying to make some point comparing/contrasting the original then it's just needlessly confusing.
Do tell me about this stock characterization/archetype anons. Which one do you mean: D&D elves, Tolkien elves, Christmas elves, or Norse elves? Yes all of them are different which is why I’m asking.
Asking the same question over and over doesn’t change the answer. Also, you don’t seem to understand what archetype means.
How can the answer not change when you don’t even have the answer? Which archetype are you talking about?
Then list them, genius.
You already got the answer, you disingenuous homosexual.
Oh frick off. First you claim that there’s a correct “elf” in your language. Then instead of pointing which one is the elf in the context of your language, you described an elf in the context of RPG.
Talk about your language first. Finish your thought, you ADHD Black person.
There is no “proper elf” without a context because those 4 things aren’t “elves”, you stupid Black person.
Nobody says I want to be an elf in a ttrpg and means a fairy or christmas elf. The word elf as it concerns the topic means what was said and you’re backpedaling like a homosexual because your moronic gotcha fell apart before you even clicked submit.
this is /tg/ - Traditional Games, the context of everything here is traditional games
frick off to Ganker
If we're playing a fantasy rpg then Christmas elves are irrelevant by default. The default is probably dnd elves if you're playing dnd.
Nobody is saying there can't be play in the joints, but if your elves bear no resemblance to what people expect then it's needlessly confusing.
I could list common qualities of elves in contemporary fantasy, but you know them already and are just acting like a moron.
Depends on the setting.
Depends on game. Have respect for creator and intent. For instance, D&D orcs are humanoid boars that are (barring strong magic) always Evil. If they aren't, you're not playing genuine D&D.
On a related note: if you can't handle alignment in D&D and dislike Paladins/Lawful Good, you're probably a sociopath.
nice bait post homie
You're not wrong, but ...
While many races have a lot of flexibility in how they're portrayed, as seen with trolls and kobolds, others are pretty securely centered on a certain archetype, and the further you stray from that archetype, the less likely people are going to consider it a real example.
If you made a world with a race of tall, hairless horsemen with a woodcarving history and a penchant for magic, and called them Dwarves, not many people will believe you.
honestly I think the aesthetics are the closest to being set in stone - although there are obviously degrees of deviation, 40k eldar don't look like legolas
people will gladly accept magic horseman dwarves so long as they look like gimli
> 40k eldar don't look like legolas
* but they do look like elves in a broad sense
somehow I left off an entire half of the sentence
eldar are pretty much just classic tolkien elves with stupid haircuts, looks-wise
right but they're more severe and hard-angled in the face rather than all fair and soft and such
clearly related but not clearly the same is what I'm getting at
this is basically just the movie elrond in cosplay
Fair, but a reminder that when people argue lore of a particular RPG it's that particular world. So arguing D&D lore is arguing FR lore, unless stated otherwise, even though 90% of people are unfamiliar with it
huh?
I’d think FR would be the most commonly known rpg setting unless we count 40k