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Whatever ending I get in whatever play through I play. I don’t care what the globohomosexual says.
The "no Fallout media has mattered since 2010" ending
fpbp /thread
Hell yea, that the right mind set
who cares
Tunnelers destroyed it
>"They told me what it was like to grow in that world... all they had done to lift it up... protect it. They... didn't know it was gone, that..."
>The goal of [Big MT] was to build the future of mankind and create the technology of tomorrow
So what did America represent to the Think Tank, before the war?
The Think Tank represents progress, it can be both good and terrible depending on the motive and how it is handled. When you meet The Think Tank at the beginning they’re just doing experiments for the sake of it, there is no goal or reason just science and progress for the sake of it. No ethics or reason. The Courier is able to give them a reason to basically be their tard wrangler and direct/make them do actually beneficial shit again.
Never happened, Shady Sands was nukes before the game even happens.
not true you moron, "the fall of shady sands" is a distinctly different event from the nukes dropping which happens later on the timeline, god you are dumb LMAO
>is a distinctly different event from the nukes dropping
How can you have nukes and Shady Sands in the same sentence when this settlement was founded much later, after the end of the nuclear war?
cope and dilate, new vegas is officially fancfiction
>shady sands being in los angeles means that fallout 1 and 2 are fan fiction
>this doesn't affect fallout: new vegas because we don't know where shady sands / the NCR is in california, just that it's in california
>season 2 drops
>they "coincidentally" retcon and character assassinate their way through new vegas, making fallout: new vegas fan fiction
>amazon accidentally canonizes two entirely separate canons
>1, 2, and NV
>3, 4, 76, and the show
>the fan fiction canon is better than the real one
i sincerely want them to frick up new vegas, it'd be hilarious
>"the fall of shady sands" is a distinctly different event from the nukes dropping which happens later on the timelin
Headcanon, showgay. 2277 is the last year displayed therefore it's the last year.
Courier delivered the chip and fricked off before the battle of hoover damn
4 Choices for the Writers for Season 2
>Skip New Vegas entirely and have the story start right after Daddy dearest leaves it
>Have it be a situation where, without Courier 6's interference, results in a completely different results allowing for fanon to remain at the cost of the game losing canon.
>Have only one specific choice determine the current result and have that choice solely be the shit one
>Make it clear that no matter what choice is made all endings lead to the same result, thus removing any player agency
What's your guys pick?
all of em
The most realistic answer is that Courier 6 sides with House. The Courier is a courier. He had a job to do and by working with House, he got revenge on Benny and ingratiated himself to the most powerful man in the region. The Courier had no real incentive to work with the NCR or Caesar except for ideology determined by the player. Yes, Man is also a cop out path for when the player is a murderhobo. With House, the most parties win.
From a lore perspective, it's also the most interesting outcome. House remaining in power opens up a lot of possibilities while simultaneously costing the NCR heavily and allowing for the continual destabilization of the West Coast. It's also the most thematically correct ending when considering the DLCs. Courier 6 is most reasonably taken through those stories when he's a nomad with dubious morals and allegiances. It also puts the most weight behind his confrontation with Ulysses.
That all said, I expect Bethesda to just lol, nuke New Vegas because wacky and nothing really matters.
It's likely this because I feel they really want to milk that cameo scene for all it's worth.
I’m kinda hoping the Courier just kept the chip so no one has it after dealing with Ulysses and disappears to live a quiet life. Maybe even showing up in the story at some point to help.
>Maybe even showing up in the story at some point to help.
Absolute moron take
option 4 is what's 1000% chance happening
I imagine people would definitely be avoiding season 2 then.
which people?
1-2-NV fans are a minority, Bethesda doesn't care about them because they actually expect quality writing rather than scavenging, references and silly 50's stuff
The entire series is going to be about wiping the slate clean in the west so Fallout truly becomes a Bethesda only property
Who else would give a shit about NV and the West other than the fans of those games?
secondaries who know that NV is a cult classic but don't really want to play a game that "old and clunky"
so they want to experience it through the show
if you think I'm joking with that, this is actually the most prevalent attitude towards season 2 of the show among fallout 4/76 fans
I feel like it'll devolve into an Invisible War scenario where Courier Six gives House the chip, makes peace between the main factions in fighting the Legion, and helps the NCR sort their shit, incidentally giving them the power to hold the Dam. Afterwards NCR sets up a new capital in Nevada, holding onto Bitter Springs and expanding into Red Rock while trying to spread back west. The Courier doesn't involve himself with the Second Battle, instead helping Freeside and the Followers with the help of Yes Man, eventually fricking off so they don't have to cast anyone to be Courier Six and so everyone can just call them "The Courier"
>People in the thread are unironically replying to the Amazon worker who is samegayging
You guys are working for free just like the jannies.
have a nice day.
No I think the show is unironically shit too I just like striking up conversations when I'm at work.
Ok, fair. Is a long time since I actually post on cuckchan, almost all the other imageboards are either dead or full of homosexual mods and I'm needing some place to vent about how bad and shilled this crap actually is.
It's option 4, they've effectively already done this. NCR being annihilated offscreen has the same effect.
Why do so many game stories and sequels fall into this trap? It's like everyone played Telltales walking dead and saw that as the pinnacle of storytelling.
>NCR being annihilated off-screen
What about Dayglow? What about the Hub? What about the original "New California Republic" near Vault 13? What about their New Vegas campaign and the settlers and sharecroppers who were under the NCR out by the Nevada border?
people can cope that the NCR totally still exist in some form when the TV show implies it a single fricking time. The boneyard doesn't exist. They never even allude to california having any kind of lasting civilization, the way they play it is as the NCR blowing up all at once and their influence vanishing because that's simple
>what about the rest of california
non canon nooked off screen lul. Brotherhood rulez them all now
I never realized how interesting the Legion Front is. They don't actually hold anything meaningful in the southern part of the map, but they're pushing hard in that area because they know all they have to do is interrupt the NCR supply line on the I-15 except it's already being fricked by deathclaws, lmao
Todd destroyed the NCR so the Brotherhood can take Maxson as their capital, because wouldn't it be cool if Elder Maxon returned home?
what if after conquering maxon they form a new state. Like kingdom of brohood of steel based around california. kind of like a new republic
out of the 4 endings legion and ncr are out, independent vegas would require competent writers to work, so that leaves mr house as an antagonist and/or mission giver next season. The courier may or may not be referenced but there is 0 chance he will actually show up.
Can't wait for Courier 6 to be the trans black woman everyone saw her default as.
>"I had... an exceptional Courier do the work for me before..."
>*camera pans over to show NCR ranger helmet, girlboss picks it up*
>"But I haven't seen them in a while..."
>*girl boss tosses the helmet aside
>"Well looks like I'm your new courier now!"
Vegas probably got overrun by the Legion since the NCR didn't exist anymore at the time the game is meant to be set (how could the NCR wage a war in the Mojave against the Legion if their capital got nuked?). Then the Legion probably got shoah'd by the BoS since the BoS has to control every morsel of America in Toddout.
most likely following sub need the show
1 yes man/courier reign of terror
2 Ulysses nukes or tunnelers
3 father Elijah using his army of ghosts destroys everything till he croaks or the last lone ranger vats him with a 1 in a million shot
4 combined nightkin/raider/deathclaw/boomer chimpout of epic proportions
Todd Howard, Pete Hines, and Emil coming out and apologizing for their poor handling of the property for 16 years and that they will be relinquishing the IP to a new party, further details will be coming in the next few months.
>New Vegas lays out why the NCR can't survive
>New Vegas talks about corrupt and inept overspending politicians that put their personal wealth above the interests of the nation
>New Vegas literally talks about the NCR declining at home because they were already severely overextended
"Wow, House / Legion make alot of sense"
>show portrays a fallen NCR
"IT'S ALL RUINED WAAHH WAHH"
fricking end your lives you fricking speds
>NCR doesnt fall because of its inadequacies but because of some family drama.
bravo todd, whats next a guy trying to find his father? his son?
New Vegas doesn't lay out why it can't survive, but rather why the NCR is currently on a self-destructive path
Nothing says they'll collapse instantly
Furthermore, nobody is mad that the NCR collapsed, the issue is that the NCR collapsing would have been an INTERESTING STORY TO TELL
The issue is that it was handled in the dumbest possible way, and rather than creating a whole new dynamic in the wasteland as various new players and factions pick up the pieces, the NCR was wiped out, as a minor background event JUST FOR BOS WANK
That's the whole problem, the show takes what should have been the focus of an entire god damn game and turns it into a minor background event
>wulf in morrowind says 'shit maybe the empire has run its course, maybe let something else new take its place'
>oblivion comes to a close with the end of the septim line
>literally hundreds of years later
>empire still exists, losing its grip on provinces, almderi dominion grows and the setting is ripe for conflict and interesting stories to tell
bethesda literally just doesnt give a shit about fallout
That's the thing "Decline". This is "Wiped completely out" with the only excuse being "The capital got nuked and somehow the rest of the entire country stopped production and went back to living like hermits.
decline
vs.
we nuked one city and the entire thing collapses overnight
You think the U.S. would fair better?
If the U.S. top generals and secretaries just wiped off the face of the map, do you know what would happen?
The Army bases would go and set up their own security protocols and over time with no singular unifying voice they'd fight eachother too.
The States would declare themselves the governing bodies of regions if they had more guns and influence than the new rampant militias.
It's a Domino Tower.
see, you're describing a more complex / real situation than what the writers did, though. again, the issue is not the NCR collapsing or declining, it's how the show writes it. one tragedy wiped them off the face of the earth except for ~40 people, and it's only been about 10 years since.
a lot of people theorize that the NCR would have balkanized in a decline, so where are the balkan states? why is the only evidence of the NCR in the show 2 small groups of survivors and the ruins of the capital? why aren't there any NCR settlements, former NCR settlements, or NCR survivors outside of those 2 small groups? did the other NCR citizens just collectively an unanimously decide to give up on civilization and renounce the idea of a united California where they're not getting by by selling bug meat and publicly beating each other in the streets, like in Filly?
you see how many obvious questions the show's writing fails to answer?
Would definitely have been a lot cooler of a story traversing all that sand while a bunch of civil wars are going off in the background of LA. I say this as a NCR sympathizer.
And did we see groups of NCR soldiers under the leadership of some ex-general declaring himself the rightful leader of the NCR? Did we see Brahmin Barons controlling vast estates with an army of mercenaries, desperately keeping shit together? No, we saw an Idiocracy-tier raider gang called "the Govermint", a tiny town where you sell your teeth for caps and everyone is dressed like clowns, and Moldaver's commune of like seven buildings.
You are moronic. The games have built up the NCR's collapse for over a decade. It encapsulated the themes of Fallout, a well-meaning empire struck with the realities of nation-building. And it ended because... magic Vault Tec man blew it up.
>A story that follows the natural culmination of the NCR, breaking up into individual states and the political drama that ensues as the consequences of its overreach come home to roost
interesting
>Some dude who's never been introduced and isn't part of the story shows up and nukes the NCR so the east coast BoS (in name but with no actual similarities to the established west coast BoS) which is thousands of members strong can take over
not interesting
My mega-dose of copium I bought from my dealer says that in the next season it will turn out that large, organized remnants of the NCR still remain outside of Shady Sands and start all out war with the BoS, and much of the conflict will be predicated on Maximus being torn between the NCR and the Brotherhood.
New Vegas lays out why the NCR can't survive
>New Vegas talks about corrupt and inept overspending politicians that put their personal wealth above the interests of the nation
>New Vegas literally talks about the NCR declining at home because they were already severely overextended
>all of this is ignored to just have them be nuked by some cucked Vault-Tec employee
>House wins and cucks the NCR, fueling his economy in the process
>Yes Man wins and the NCR is pushed back to California with no answer to the recession
>Legion wins and there is a war in California
>Ulysses plans to nuke the NCR before the battle of hoover dam
They were on a doomed path
>What ending would it take for this show to be awesome to you?
It was all just a Doctor Braun simulation and that everyone is secretly a Vault 33 dweller and the last show pans up from the underground vault to reveal a thriving Boneyard and NCR
Would be kino and it's something that Todd wouldn't opposed to do.
Samegayging off of this, I want New Vegas to be better off than the ending implied and have NCR be the canon route with them currently trying to rebuild while having to deal with a tunneler uprising.
for it to be absolutely dogshit and be memoryholed.
this one
if thats unavaible then DUST with evertyone being dead
The least they can do is to have the Followers, Khans, Boomers, Good Springs be in the story.
wishful thinking
How would the Khans get involved though? They either get wiped out or leave north for new territory.
>How would the Khans get involved though
It's obvious
>Red Rock Canyon was moved 100 southwest onto the route between LA and New Vegas
>except it's a smoldering crater because the Enclave dropped a bomb on it in 2281
>the only survivng Khans are a ragtag band of raiders who take MacLean hostage at the beginning of the show
>Lucy and the ghoul pursue her dad to New Vegas
>the climax of the season is them reaching the top of the Lucky 38, where it's revealed that the Khans killed Mr. House and now rule the bombed-out ruins of New Vegas
>the greatest great Khan is actually Joshua Graham (who is actually a libertarian super-genius who invented House's missile defense system and was cryogenically frozen before the Great War)
>Graham is mortally wounded off-camera by walking into a rusty piece of rebar sticking out of the wall
>as Enclave vertibirds surround the Lucky 38 and shock troopers rappel through the glass, he crawls to Mr. House's terminal and says
>we did it... old... bud...
>revealing that both Graham and House were two of "Bud's buds"
>he dies launching the secret nukes under New Vegas across the river into Arizona, nuking the capital of Caesar's Legion and setting up season 3
>queen of spades
kek
brainrot
spades are the suit of the wildcards: courier, motor runner, followers
Nothing, they should have stayed the frick out of the west.
>yfw season 2 is just the writer's going on a world tour of every single New Vegas DLC location and ruining each one with tender, loving care
>"Or does that not matter? Is that just an acceptable consquence if it means holding on to this valley? "
Daniel was right, and if you took time to study Graham's dialogue, you'd realize that he is wrong by his own standards. If the people matter more than the land then the choice is clear, and what Graham is doing is corrupting them.
Daniel would have them run away again and again to preserve their innocence until finally they're driven into the sea
The survivalist was the one who was right: eventually they'll have to grow up, and when they do, they'll need to be able to defend themselves
No.
>I wish them well. It's been a gift to me, at the end of it all, to behold innocence.
Why his story matters and why the Sorrows matters. Is not about just defending themselves. Daniel and the Sorrows make this clear. There is a difference and a clear shift in identity between self-defense and staking your land.
it's been a gift to behold innocence but he also taught them how to survive and knows it can't last
What exactly is the end point here though? Becoming rootless nomads always on the run from any and all conflict? Ready and willing to sacrifice everything for the sake of their own "innocence"? The rest of the world will find them they can't stay sheltered forever.
But Daniel's a pussy and Graham is based, so it's irrelevant.
They're both really well-written characters. I think they have the most important quality of any fictional character: they're deeply convinced about specific beliefs that they've arrived at based on their life experiences. That doesn't mean they're right or wrong, it just means they're human. Both of their respective beliefs and plans have flaws, especially when you account for living in an exceptionally unforgiving world where you don't always have the luxury of holding onto your beliefs at all.
Man I love the NV DLC.
The dichotomy between beliefs and survival is the point. If you want to see survival go look at NCR and see what that has done. Wars will never stop if men don't change their beliefs.
and if you want to look at innocence, look at the Legion
or more specifically: look at what happened to the tribes it overran, that's the fate that awaits the Sorrows if they remain innocent
The Legion's strength is its assimiliation, because it has its own ideas.
The series of DLCs show how hard it is to kill an idea, how the Old World still finds meaning in the present, and how terrifying its remnants can be.
Beliefs aren't so easily trampled, like the protagonists of the fallout series', change will come.
go away daniel
>Show writers get to Honest Hearts
>They make Daniel unequivocally right
>They make Joshua a psycho from the get go
Ah so this is what you guys seen in making up shit to get mad about, I think I get the appeal
Graham is kind of like Danko, ready to die with his flaming heart lighting a path, instead of letting his people dwindle away running forever in circles.
>Daniel was right
He wasn't. One shouldn't sacrifice their morals, but there comes a time when you have to defend what's yours. If not for you, for those that come after. Running from the white legs would not guarantee safety, nor peace. And could easily turn to a tribe without a home, or food, or a future. Daniel infantalized them. Children are innocent, and need to be protected, but children need to grow up, eventually. Not doing so just ensures they'll be a victim of someone eventually, and you can't protect them forever.
Now that China and Communists are retconned to be the good guys, how will House and Legion be portrayed to reflect this fact?
>they aren't the good guys
>the peace talks failed so when the first nuke went off, both countries nuked the shit out of eachother, even though it has always been hinted it was an inside job by the corpos, Deep State, and Vault-Tec
>House is still not to blame, this legitimizes the fact that he knew that even if the Peace Talks worked out, someone was going to drop a nuke at all
You should have better media literacy and form your own opinions instead of affiliating with actual speds that shitpost on this board, hipster troony Black person c**t.
Who are you quoting and why?
I love the show.
>matches with the games current lore
>puts Dune (Novel) NV and Morrowindgays in their autistic place
>represents the grittiness of an actual lawless wasteland instead of the LARPing NCR homosexuals that think that a Federal Government can actually survive in a landscape devoid of proper agriculture and clean water
The bear will survive and come back stronger than ever. Pin me.
Anon the entire NCR was destroyed in the series, that was all the NCR that was left and it was wiped out
Boneyard isn't the entirety of the NCR.
Anon, in the show it is the entirety of the NCR, the literal NCR headquarters was in the show and it was wiped out
>Bombing a capital means all the states can't rebuild anymore because nu uh Todd says you guys fall.
yes that's what happened, and why older fans of the series are pissed
the entire NCR got wiped out, in canon, by destroying the capital
that's literally what the canon story is, the NCR doesn't exist anymore, they've been replaced entirely with the BoS
They could totally pussy out of that though with the amount of ambiguity they leave. The fricking BoS can't die what's to say they won't do the same with ALL factions?
They're not going to do that because wiping out the NCR is the entire point
Todd wants to set a game in the west, but he doesn't want to use factions and lore he didn't create
>Todd is using the TV show to wipe the western slate clean
Bravo, Todd.
>>Todd is using the TV show to wipe the western slate clean
Can someone edit Todd Howard's face over Father Elijah's when he's doing his Dead Money rant?
someone already made this if that is what you were referring to.
Thank you!
It's genuinely a smart strategy.
Todd gets to colonize the West Coast, and he doesn't even have to get his hands dirty. Amazon does it for him.
>Todd is elijahpilled
>doesn't have the ability to pull dragon breaks to wipe the slate clean on a whim
>subjects everyone to a cleansing by nuclear fire before deciding to positions his good boys as the top dogs
Wew
>be me, corn farmer circa 2280
>living in New Irvine, a city incorporated into the New California Commonwealth about 40 miles south of our capital of Los Angeles 2
>look north one day
>see a fricking bomb go off and blow up the capital
>literally no one in our town is harmed
>we take precautions to deal with the nuclear fallout, because we live in a world where radiation is a real threat, but nuclear bombs themselves don't distribute that many radioactive isotopes
>the corn tastes a little weird, I guess
>we're not entirely sure who or what bombed us
>we wait, but no survivors travel in our direction
>some of the city's residents leave, fearful of another bombing
>rather than traveling south to the incorporated city of New San Diego to bring news of the capital's fall to the NCC, they decide to walk into the wastes and die leaving no trace of their existence
>this steels our resolve
>the only logical thing to do is to leave, rig the entirety of New Irvine with C4 charges, blow up the city, travel around the LA area blowing up every remaining NCC settlement and killing their citizens, and then walk into the wastes and die leaving no trace of our existence
Okay that gave me a good laugh. Bravo, anon.
AMAZON
The NCR disintegrating after Shady Sand's gets nuked reminds me of Family guy, or some other show, that did a joke about how the empire seemingly vanishes because the Emperor died.
>2031
>The Greater Middle Eastern War has been raging for 8 years straight
>an Iranian nuclear missile finally manages to get past the US and UK military and penetrate Israel
>blows up Jerusalem
>99% of all the Israelis collectively decide that it has never been more over
>get into spaceships and travel to Mars leaving no trace of their existence
Not him, but the show does nothing to suggest that the NCR survived in any capacity other than the crashed NCR vertibird in the final credits sequence. Shady Sands was nuked in 2277 (or, if you're a contrarian moron, 2281), but there is literally no evidence of an NCR presence in the show outside of Vault 4 or the NCR remnants at Griffifth Observatory.
If the NCR is still extant outside of LA (which is no longer the Boneyard), why isn't there any aid for the survivors? If Shady Sands is actually the NCR's "first" capital in the show's version of events, shouldn't the second capital at least be responding in some capacity to a serious existential threat to their sovereignty? Why are there seemingly no other NCR settlements in the entire LA area if the capital there? Would Filly not be a former NCR settlement?
The whole show is full of open-ended bullshit like this.
And men who believe otherwise will never have the privilege of doing so if they don't survive.
Yeah, but Moldaver used the cold fusion to turn the power back on in the Los Angeles ruins because people are still living there presumably.
literally who is living there
That's kind of the thing. Clearly the nuke on Shady Sands didn't destroy everything considering a bunch of lights turn on in the buildings and skyscrapers when she activates the cold fusion. There's got to be people living there.
i think that just implies that LA's electrical grid is still intact. which is itself somewhat stupid, but still.
That's the issue with the show, I really don't know if the NCR is actually wiped. The show doesn't outright confirm that the NCR doesn't exist, but because it uses Fallout 4's godawful aesthetic, it is unclear if the NCR troops under Moldaver are actual professional soldiers and their group is a detachment from a larger NCR or if they are just the ragtag remnants of the whole thing. This might just be wishful thinking, but the show at the very least does understand that the NCR actually spanned all the way from LA to New Vegas. Whether they know the implication of this, that they could survive the destruction of one city, is unclear.
Fem courier supported house but everything has gone to shit, and she gets shredded by a deathclaw because she tripped over a can of beans and sarsaparilla bottles because the show will display her as a bumbling moron. Now House recruits Lucy as his new Courier.
the NCR accidentally turns on Archimedes so it orbital strikes shady sands, the strip, the dam and the legion encampment all at once due to malfunctions.
Reminds me of this post I saw on Reddit recently lmao. Reddit is something else
>ncr is the automatic “good” faction
>NCR good karma courier
>NCR AND good karma
The karma system in New Vegas was so vestigial you have to go out of your way to get the bad karma endings or perks. Just going around the outskirts of New Vegas killing fiends netted my puppy kicking Courier sainthood. What else was I supposed to do? Not shoot back?
use diplomacy to join the fiends and create a drug empire.
Give it to the autistic Russian Fallout 1/2 modders who are still currently active to this day. Let them make a few Fallout shows.
suddenly all hollywood writers, actors and anyone involved in all the videogame to movie adaptations from the past 10 years appear on screen and hang themselves
10/10
im just happy that fallout is a reality
its a genius setting with the retro-futuristic 50's american setting with all the conspiracy and corporate greed stuff going on
the setting has A LOT of potential
they should expand on the world of pre war corporate america in the next game assuming that its even gonna be worth playing
by that i mean show us more products and things that they used before the war in the apocalypse
>The game Fallout which was about the stories of a nuclear wasteland after the previous culture was wiped out by nuclear holocaust should really focus more on that previous culture!
This is some real media illiteracy as they say.
i just want to see some more shitty products that didn't take consumer safety into account
That was been done to death in the series, how about Bethesda actually writes some new stories about moving forward and the ethics of a new world devoid of the previous industrial warfaring culture that was eradicated?
oh wow the homosexual survivors cant work together and war happens ablobloo
go watch the walking dead homosexual
I was thinking more along the lines of creativeness that created the setting and dynamism of New Vegas, y'know that invigorating oft discussed game that inspired this dogshit tv show?
yeah thats interesting
im just saying i want to see more shitty pre war products that we havent see instead of blamco mac and cheese as one of the 4 different foods
i liked the shitty peg-leg from the show that just didn't work at all and killed the guy
it was maybe too stupid for fallout but at least it was somewhat original and in line for the show
Final episode has everyone in the show dying from the Dead Money BRAAP cloud with Elijah, and the Courier having front row seats.
OR
The Lone Wanderer's hand slips when he is on the Mothership and blows up the west coast.
both were canonically nuked
That's been debunked. New Vegas does not operate under Wiley coyote Bethesda logic where you can just show a nuclear bomb going off in one location and symbolize the total destruction of a complex system.
If they are going to NV in the next season, does this mean they will blow their budget on a Boomers bomber VS BoS Prydwen air battle?
Legion ending with the Courier being Caesars successor
It will be left vague so all endings can be "canon"
>characters looking over a ruined hoover dam
>new local character dumps exposition
>the loser faction repeatedly returned to the dam and repeatedly got repelled
>eventually nuked the dam out of desperation
>Vegas with no power had to be deserted
>something something destroy what they cant control
>something something war never changes
like 99% of the show is just vague open-ended plot threads written for "intrigue" and so idiots online can endlessly chatter about how it MIGHT be good IF the writer's do a 180 out of nowhere
>"first" capital of NCR
>the enclave returned, somehow
>BoS has the infinite energy macguffin
>vault 33 shit
>vault 32 shit, for that matter
>water chip if it isn't completely memory holed (it already is)
>vault-tec dropping the bomb
>house's presence at the vault-tec meeting
you know what the only plot thread they concluded in the entire season is? moldaver. you know what's moldaver's arc was?
>survives the great war through unknown means
>*kidnaps ur dad* (daring synthesis of fallout 3's and 4's plots, btw)
>damn Lucy, don't go asking about moldaver, she a bad b***h
[show proceeds to show literally nothing that moldaver has done to receive her reputation as the wasteland's baddest b***h who everyone is righteously afeared of]
>vault-tec stole my infinite energy macguffin
>vault-tec nuked shady sands, which i am the de facto leader of for unknown reasons
>your dad is a bad guy and i am actually an antihero, Lucy. crazy, right?
[gets gut shot off-camera and dies so the BoS can take her MacGuffin 5 seconds later]
moldaver is one of the most poorly-written antagonists / antiheroes i've ever seen in a show. all she is is a walking exposition dump who's set to expire as soon as she's fulfilled her purpose of revealing the twist to Lucy. she has no personality, she has no history, she doesn't DO anything outside of the first episode to earn her reputation, and for whatever reason she represents the NCR even though none of her arc is actually about the NCR itself - it's just about Lucy, Vault-Tec, and her macguffin.
this show makes LOST look like The Silmarillion
It’s insane that people are praising this slop.
shills gonna shill and morons gonna moron
it's really not that bad* ( * - as an adaptation of Bethesda Fallout)
it's like a 6/10 if you pretend it's just some wild wacky wasteland adventure, but as part of fallout that bethesda has decided is canon (lol) it's just ass. you can't really separate the two though, because of course it has to leverage the imagery and setting of fallout. if this was set on the east coast, i just wouldn't care because the side of the country is already moronic in the setting.
For Bethesda to just be honest and upfront about how they hate Black Isle/Interplay/Obsidian Fallout and want to do away with the story so they can have a clean slate to shit up the West Coast like they did the East Coast.
I just want them to own up to it.
>they should own up to the moronic headcanon that exists in my head
have a nice day NOW
Witcher, Halo, LoTR, Star Wars all went through the same shit with their TV series, why do Fallout homosexuals think they're immune?
Halo isn't canon
Witcher isn't canon
LotR isn't canon
Bethesda has owned the IP for over a decade, it is their story now and if you don't like it too bad. Black Isle is no more.
>witcher
Bad adaption of a good adaptation of an original work. No one thinks that the show is somehow better or more valid than either.
>halo
Bad adaptation an original work with 3 good games (4 if you're a Reachgay) 10+ years after it was prostituted to 343i. No one thinks that the show is somehow better or more valid than the originals.
>LotR
Amazon ass rape of one of the world's most well-known fantasy series, which coincidentally occurred as soon as the last moral guardian of Tolkien's legacy died. No one thinks that the show is somehow better or more valid than the original.
>star wars
Disney ass rape of one of the world's most well-known science fiction series. The original trilogy's and prequels' legacies are relatively intact because most people regard them as the "real" Star Wars and have a strong emotional attachment to them. Even fans of the new trilogy have very likely seen the original trilogy.
>fallout
Good* adaptation of a bad adaptation of an obscure original work. Fallout fans have to eternally coexist with Bethesdagays, who will lap up whatever slop is ladled onto their plate, proudly exclaiming what is and isn't canon. Black Isle is dead, New Vegas was Obsidian's magnum opus before they fell off a fricking cliff, and Fallout is now a series about power armor, the BoS, and the Enclave in the way that Star Wars is now a series about lightsabers, the jedi, and the sith. The number of people who believe that Bethesda Fallout is better than the originals vastly outnumbers those who believe the inverse purely because so many more people played 3 than 1 & 2. The majority of "Fallout" fans have only played 4, 3, and maybe NV or 76.
Fallout is like Star Wars from a timeline where Disney successfully erased the legacy of the original trilogy. Being a "true" Fallout fan is pure suffering and I don't envy them at all. They have to forever deal with Bethesda fans colonizing the thing they like.
Rogue One and Andor are the best works in the entire Star Wars franchise, literally better than the original trilogy.
i mean i agree, as someone who's relatively neutral about all star wars stuff. i watched rogue one with my cousin and really enjoyed the more subdued tone, was very cool.
being a fallout fan is like having someone living rent free in your head reading out 5,000 character reddit posts about how the Boba Fett show is actually genius (and here's why) no matter what you do.
A painfully apt description. I'm so done arguing I haven't even bothered to go past episode 4.
tap out, for your own good. i deliberately decided not to touch fallout 4 after i saw the "atom bomb baby" combat trailer where it was ultraviolence, mini-nukes, and dogmeat and i never looked back until the show. i regret watching it because even though it's a good adaptation of bethsoft fallout, bethsoft fallout is moronic - and this time it's on the west coast.
especially dumb decision by me because i somehow forgot the entire theme of the NV DLCs to just move the frick on
I think from what I saw that's pretty accurate. It works as a fallout 4 TV show.
>begin again
Idk man it seems like fallout for the old school fans is coming to an end. Who knows. Just remmeber there are lots of us out there who are on the same wavelength as you, despite what others may insist lmao
New Blood is working on a CRPG fallout clone.
Rogue One isn't *that* good, but I will agree that Andor is better than Episode 6. I still think Episode 5 is better though. Andor 180ed my opinion on star wars from 'it's over, nothing happens' to "we are unbelievably back"
>twisted hairs
That happened to the Seris and many other real American Indian tribes on the Americas. Hear them talk and they do speak this way. Happened to my kin too. Dead scholastic understanding of the uto aztec tongues. Museum props long forgotten now to enthuse anthropologists. Few few few left have it tradition still convincing. This land is truly suffering a cultural black hole imposition that is a dull and primitive state indeed.
I've long made peace with NV being the last true Fallout game we're ever going to see, and have accepted that people like me simply aren't the target audience anymore
Bethesda might run the series into the ground, but they can never take the old games away from us
I'm even able to have casual absent minded fun with FO4 by regarding it as part of a different series.
But I've never even thought about watching the show, Nolan's comment about how Vaults are symbols of American class divide was enough.
Same, as soon as it was announced I knew exactly what we were getting and that I wasn't at all who it was aimed at
You will like the show if you went in with the same mindset, it's better than 4 because it is not written by bethesda.
the show is Bethesda Fallout to a T, it's just that the quality of the writing is slightly better because anything's better than Emil. the person you're replying to seems to understand the themes of Fallout, and that's exactly the type of person who should stay the frick away from the show.
Then he's lying about "regarding it as part of a different series."
>he let go
grat
Basically everything in
, and also the 2 surface vaults that the Master magically missed in LA.
The NCR thing is the most blatant because of how pointless and stupid it is. The show simply writes the NCR into its story because it is "a thing on the West Coast that Fallout fans recognize", without any care or consideration for:
1. Where it is: east of Vault 13, which is hundreds of miles north of LA. Now it's in the middle of LA.
2. What it is: a sovereign territory that incorporates cities from Dayglow to Shady Sands itself, and even Nevada's border to the east. The way that the story is written reduces the NCR to Shady Sands. And when Shady Sands is destroyed, it's as if every single NCR-incorporated settlement which would be in the LA area if it were where the capital is (it isn't) simultaneously self-destructed, leaving no evidence of their existence.
3. What its thematic associations are: the entire concept of the NCR is that reconstructing the republic inevitably reconstructs its flaws: corruption, exploitation, expansionism, etc. The NCR is simultaneously the hand that feeds its citizens and the boot on their neck. It represents the idea that institutions (social, political, economic) are inevitably vectors for human vice, even though their purpose is to protect against it, to civilize us. Again, the way that the story is written contradicts this, by making the NCR's collapse the fault of an external force hostile to its existence, rather than an existential threat that unravels it from within - a concept that Avellone wanted to explore.
There's nothing wrong with the NCR declining, or even ceasing to exist; but that in itself could be an entire series, instead of a plot twist for one season of an Amazon show. This is why people keep saying that the show is a good adaptation of Bethesda Fallout specifically, because it's very good at leveraging the imagery of Fallout without understanding it at all.
>a thing on the West Coast that Fallout fans recognize
i've read the wiki synopsis since
sounds like this is as deep as its connection to the video game series goes
>thematic associations
imo expecting criticism of liberal democracy from mainstream media is expecting too much at the best of times
i never would have expected them to portray the NCR as it was in the game
>different series
just cope that f1-f2-fnv is now canon legacy, separate timeline and isolated from whacky toddworld amusement park. If you want one last taste in what comes off as a side story to the legacy timeline give fallout sonora a shot. The translation is okay(ish) but everything else wise it comes pretty damn close to feeling authentic
Bethesda doesn't really care much about canon as long as it's vaguely coherent
I'll ignore the show without shitting on it if Todd and Bethesda non-canon New Vegas 1 and 2 as "Legends" the way Disney did star wars.
I just didn't like the first season enough to watch anything more. It sucked on its own merits, and you can't really fix that. They'd have to make a new entirely unrelated show, and I'd only consider giving it a shot if Bethesda did the legends thing and the new show is still set in Bethesda slopcanon, but follows a cool ranger or something and shows the NCR (Or I'd take the desert rangers) being cool. If you want my ideal show, it'd be just a miniseries that splits between the Mojave Campaign of the NCR with their California Rangers in the Patrol Armor and Seqouias, and the Desert Rangers in their black Riot Armor/coats losing ground vs the Legion, building up ultimately to the Ranger Unification Treaty. Anything after that would have to be limited to their cooperation through Sunburst and Boulder City/Hoover Dam I. Cameo a young Boone as part of First Recon if you like but don't make him a speaking role. MCs should be an oldschool ghoul Desert Ranger and a passionate idealist young gun NCR Ranger who gets burnt out by the end of the series and finally understands the old bitter ghoul a little more. The show could also get into the differences and difficulties present in Ranger Unification
lmao, they're so petty that they'd never make this concession to Fallout fans. They'll let loose the Amazon writers to rewrite the West Coast canon in the East's image and then use that as a shield against any criticism that they did it themselves. Bethesda owns Fallout, and all you can do is let go.
No frick that, I’ll begin again and make my own Fallout shit.
OH N-
Still a better story than the Fallout Tv show?
ice
God this game fricks. It's like the best parts of Fallout, Metro 2033, and Mad Max had a baby.
I hate how hard the game drags at the end, the Institute and Deep Caverns are such a fricking slog that it's not even funny.
Other than that it's 10/10. Hurry the frick up with Infusion, I wanna frick around in Hexagon and play space cop with Six.
Gimme an OP build so I can sleepwalk through it, go go.
There are two paths...
-IGGERS nobody that worked on NV was left for Obsidian's FO3 btw.
i know, i didn't even play it because i knew NV was just lightning in a bottle built off of van buren and a few talented people
Lucy becomes a pornstar in New Reno.
Does she become a gimp for a Super Mutant?
I loved her in Pocahotass!
None of them, did you miss Shady Sands being nuked unlike in the game and any vestige of a functioning country in California disappearing within 20 years?
It's not the same continuity no matter what excuses Emil comes up with.
sorry your barely finished game written by a homosexual is no longer cannon.
Raider Overlord Hodd Toward carts out the infamous NCR lieutenant Sosh Jawyer and executes him over the course of the entire episode with a ripper.
I've decided to go back and replay FE1. I was playing it years ago, and only got about halfway through, but stopped because my comp broke and I never got back to it.
Any tips? I usually go int/CHA builds with decent AGI so I can hopefully see more dialogue and sneak around. I don't remember if this game had some redundant or useless skills like some other games.
Also, are the tactics games any good?
Can't really think of any advice that hasn't been side by others. Pick one weapon group relative to the stats you want and stick with it. The tactics game is decent and I think somewhat more balanced than the first game.
Should I use Fog of War, and PC scroll limit?
I don't remember if I used those. It's interesting to see that mechanic be an optional one as most games would probably have something like that just put in without though.
If you want to be super accurate to Fallout 1 it would be running in 640x480 with the scroll limit and no fog of war. Among other edits that you'd make in f1_res.ini. A lot of that stuff is added in fan content.
I did and I enjoyed my playthrough. It forces the player to strategize as they go rather than scan a map and come back later fully prepared.
I'll have to try that then, thanks.
It's tempting to try it that way, but tabbing out is an addiction which causes the game to crash and editing files sounds like a lot of work for a computer-illiterate, and lazy person. Perhaps in a later playthrough.
Doesn't Steam and GOG have the original version of both 1 and 2? I think you just run FalloutW.exe vs FalloutWHR.exe if you wanted to play the original game without any added on content. But you're fine to play with the high res patch, it doesn't alter anything significant.
decided to go play new vegas again after years and install some mods to spruce things up, however i noticed the mods on vortex look kind of boring in comparison to skyrim mods. are there any good recommendations?
Did you hear about someone trying to make an entire mod of new vegas in Fo4? It's still being developed but they've made a lot of progress (don't know if that got fricked up with the recent update though).
There is this new big mod that adds Legion territory to the game, I do not know whether it's good tho.
Question, how bad is the gameplay in Dead Money?
Very, they limit you to emulate a horror game.
I personally really like it, but it's not for everyone. If your favorite thing about Fallout is crawling around dangerous ruins and gradually unraveling the sinister truth behind them, you'll like it. If your favorite thing about Fallout is shooting raiders in the head, you'll fricking hate it.
>What ending would it take for this show to be awesome to you?
IDGAF about some shitty amazon adaptation of a video game.
What I like about video games are player agency and gameplay. If you take that away from fallout all you're left with is a pastiche of every post apocalyptic trope.
Frick off with trying to adapt everything into every other media.
Just make some atom-punk post apocalyptic tv show with good writing, direction, and acting.
Whatever ending lets me frick vault girl.
Vault sex
I will fully admit I was rock diamonds when the pregnant lady was imaging her recently murdered husband still alive while she was fricking the low int bruiser
fricking neither, it should been a prequel to the events of NV
or it should have been a tv adaptation of the first Fallout
or take place in a location that we haven't seen before and lay foundations for the next fallout game
A faint glow moving in from Vladivostok heading towards Alaska. The culmination of the 2100 Glowing Warlords era now looking to replay the Anchorage invasion with an undead army.
It was all a simulation and Bethesda gets put back on the East Coast where they can't frick up anything else.
Season 2 has a ditzy LOL SO RANDOM XD girl who is a courier. And ends up being THE courier, who is heavily implied to just be pretending to be moronic
oh god i just thought of something worse
ghouls daughter or wife is somehow the courier
Imagine the seething
My prediction, the group comes across Goodsprings, it pans over the cemetary, and the Courier's unmarked grave is still there. It turns out they died in Goodsprings, so everything went to shit.
Benny would still have the Chip, would still go and get caught in the Fort, and Caesar would still send someone into the bunker to blow up the Securitrons. This automatically makes House lose. Without the Courier’s interference, the Legion will blow up the monorail at Fort McCarran, the Omertàs will set off a chlorine bomb in the Strip, and Dead Sea will eventually take Camp Forlorn Hope. There is also Hanlon, who would continue to give out false information unimpeded.
If your suggestion is accurate, then Caesar (really Lanius since Caesar would die) would have made it to the Pacific by now.
No Courier would probably lead to house immediately trying to kill Benny before he can do anything.
If it went for Legion, and it was revealed that the hyper-religious BoS in the show was heavily influenced by extended interaction and even integration with that Legion. Also, revealing that there is still a full-fledged NCR military government outside of Shady Sands.
Funnily enough, I feel like it's fully dependent on how good House is.
It just sucks that Matthew Perry died, because he could've legit played Benny.
I don't know what ending I want but I pray that it causes a mass NMAtroony and obsidrone suicide.
REMINDER
Van Buren was as moronic as the Fallout 3 we ended up getting
This is 100% true. But luckily we did not get Van Buren, and all of the moronation got filtered out for New Vegas.
>What ending would it take for this show to be awesome to you?
Makes Season 2's 8 episodes are broken into 2 episode mini arcs that cover the same events but from the perspective of what if each of the 4 faction endings were canon.
At the end of the season, viewers get to decide which is the true canon ending.
It's Legion
Insane, yet extremely based. Too bad that would be a money divebomb because Normies would not understand that shit at all.
One thing I found funny is how the writers seemingly took 'Brotherhood of Steel' a bit too literally and forgot to show a single woman in the BoS until the last episode, where there are a few female scribes in the background.
Nah the Blacks Indian friend was actually woman and not a pre pubescent male.
>woman
Well NV is already non-canon because they removed the boneyard. Removing the Boneyard removes the Followers of the Apocalypse. Removing the Followers of the Apocalypse removes Caesar. Removing Caesar removes the Legion. Considering that there is signs of battle on the strip in the ending cinematic the NCR probably attacked the strip, one of them was losing and decided that if they can't have it, nobody can. House is probably still alive down in his bunker and the Villain Mcmoron of season1 is going to kill him just to finish off what's left of NV.
The Followers merely switched places with Shady Sands. Now they're based east of Vault 13. 🙂
I put 100+ hours into New Vegas and only like 50 hours into Fallout 3, so there ya go. New Vegas was way more fun for me, and if that makes me wrong, then hey, I don't want to be right.
So in what ways does the show contradict 1-2-NV?
Other than Vegas being dead and deserted just a few years after NV, I've heard that's something the show does.
>So in what ways does the show contradict 1-2-NV?
In obvious ways anyone that played those games can tell
>Shady Sands is no longer as city build on new ground, instead gets relocated to the ruins of LA
>The Boneyard doesn't seem to exist as it was shown in the games
>Shady Sands was nuked in 2277, even though New Vegas is set in 2281 and Shady Sands is fine
>The NCR seems to have been destroyed by said nuke, despite it being fine in 2281 and considerably larger than just its capital
Those are the major ones. There's also dumb shit like the BoS ranks not making any sense, an t-60 power armor being everywhere, when t-52 was much more common
Why switch all those things up if you're just going to erase all traces of the previous games taking place?
They should've just said
>everything you saw in the games was destroyed.
I have no idea
I don't understand the praise it gets from alleged fans or people the desperate defense it causes
Lonesome road is the gayest shit in the entire game
The Fallout TV show shows us that Ulysses was right.
It fricking sucks when something you're building up gets destroyed from nowhere, with one visible culprit.
You know what, I played this very shit about a year ago and I've already forgotten what this was all about.
History Black wanted to launch a bunch of missiles to blow something up for some reason.
He was also throwing around a LOT of pseud bullshit I gotta say.
All that aside though the final showdown was somewhat kino I suppose.
>Vault-Tec triggered the Great War
>but somehow only 3 of their vaults were involved in the plan to repopulate Earth
>Enclave is still around
>none of the postwar locations make a comeback
>but there's new ones invented just for the show
>civilization was never rebuilt, it's just tiny ass Old West style towns in the middle of a sandy desert
>muh brotherhood of steel
What is it about this fricking faction that todd and his merry band of morons love so much?
They're like, knights and shit
NCR succeeds and the show becomes Western with fallout iconography.
You get to NV, find Bennie at the elevator banks in House' casino and get your revenge, just like in the game.
they'll technically pick the Mr House ending. With House in charge and factions trying to take over New Vegas.
They'll try their hardest to copy the status quo from NV so they can mine as many references and plot elements, characters and locations from that game as possible
>many references and plot elements, characters and locations
i'm under the impression that there aren't any game locations at all
they're mining for concepts at best
>muh canon
who the frick cares? It's fiction you can just make shit up yourself.